NBA Draft 2020 Thread

[look_at_g_shred]

Might as well start this baby now. How does everyone feel about Isaac Okoro? What position should we fill? SF/PF/SG ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFkvjeLH_48

[Prime BEEF]

Who are the top euro trash players and SGs 6’3” and under? The FO will prioritize those guys over all others.

[look_at_g_shred]

Who are the top euro trash players and SGs 6’3” and under? The FO will prioritize those guys over all others.
Truu :td

[Kobe'sAchilles]

What about that Kansas guy who was suspended? Isn't he pretty good?

[Prime BEEF]

In an alternate reality where our FO isn’t retarded I’d like them to go after one of these guys....

PF-Obi Toppin
SF-Tyler Bey
PF-Paul Reed
PF-Jalen Smith

Deni and Jalen McDaniels are fools gold. People say they have high potential but have done nothing to back that up.

Okoro has ok size and plays ok defense but has severely under performed at Auburn and can’t hit 3s and isn’t a good free throw shooter. Which usually doesn’t translate well to nba. But I’d definitely rather have him than Deni or McDaniels.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Really like Isaac Okorro and he might be in the projected Spurs range. His ceiling probably isn’t too high but if he improves his shooting he can be a Covington type and that’s not bad for a late lottery pick.

There are a few players with more upside who might fall to the Spurs - Jaden McDaniels, Deni Avdija, Josh Green but they seem more like future prospects than players who can contribute right away.

[look_at_g_shred]

What about that Kansas guy who was suspended? Isn't he pretty good?
Wiseman? He's gonna be a top 3 pick I believe.

[Russ]

Who are the top euro trash players and SGs 6’3” and under? The FO will prioritize those guys over all others.

Euros are prioritized because they might stay in SA, unlike the Yanks.

That's just good management in the real world.

Get used to it.

[Prime BEEF]

This team really needs a legit PG badly. One that is a playmaker, pass first PG, that plays D and can hit 3s. That is Tyrese Halliburton. Would absolutely love it if the spurs packaged Murray and a pick to move up and get him. He has the same size and length as Murray and is a good rebounder like him but he can actually do all of the other things you need a PG to do.

so if we keep our pick, I’d like them to go after the guys I listed above (athletic, lengthy, extremely good defenders). But my preference would be to trade up and get Haliburton.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Wiseman? He's gonna be a top 3 pick I believe.
Nah he played for Memphis. I'm talking about the guy who got suspended for the fight

[emanueldavidginobili]

Wiseman? He's gonna be a top 3 pick I believe.
Wiseman was playing at Memphis he left though to prepare for the NBA

[Prime BEEF]

Euros are prioritized because they might stay in SA, unlike the Yanks.

That's just good management in the real world.

Get used to it.
LMAO

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I heard this is the weakest draft in recent memory? Is that true? I don't watch collage basketball

[EasyMoney]

I heard this is the weakest draft in recent memory? Is that true? I don't watch collage basketball


Looking like it but a lot of wing players I believe. Only Wiseman, Edwards and I guess lamelo are the only star studded guys being looked at as potential top 3 picks.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Looking like it but a lot of wing players I believe. Only Wiseman, Edwards and I guess lamelo are the only star studded guys being looked at as potential top 3 picks.

Lamelo ball would be wild on the spurs, but Pop and RC wouldn't want him cause he's not "classy"

[Prime BEEF]

I heard this is the weakest draft in recent memory? Is that true? I don't watch collage basketball
Love college ball.

Depends. The top talent isn’t as good as it normally is. But the 8 through 22 area has better talent then average drafts IMO. So if you are tanking and get a top 3 pick you’d be better off trading down and getting 2 picks in the middle range.

[tapiefan]

The spurs pick will be one of the three french prospects : Killian Hayes, Killian Tillie or Theo Maledon.

[Dejounte]

1. Deni
2. Okoro
3. Obi Toppin

[ZeusWillJudge]

I heard this is the weakest draft in recent memory? Is that true? I don't watch collage basketball

I just posted this in the grades thread. But I'll double down - maybe it will keep a few people from jumping.




You realize that this time last year "they" were saying that there was talent at the top of the draft, but not much after that? You also realize that you're saying that there are no good players in college ball? We don't even know who is declaring at this point.

There's no Zion Williamson. But after the #1 pick, there is no reason to think that this draft will be better or worse than any others.

[dbestpro]

Whoever they draft will have their career ruined until Pop and Forbes are gone.

[Genovaswitness]

doesn't matter. expect a three years austin spurs assignment or some euro draft n stash

[JeffDuncan]

Might as well start this baby now. How does everyone feel about Isaac Okoro? What position should we fill? SF/PF/SG ?



This is the perfect year to take "best player available" because the Spurs need everything. Every position on the team needs help.

About Okoro, all I know is what I read. Strong, athletic. Good defender. (Yay!) Needs work on his shooting. (What else is new. They all do.) Not much of a ball handler. (But he's a wing. So what. We had Danny Green on the wing for years.) So, yes, I'd put Okoro on the list to keep an eye on.

Here he is on nbadraft.net.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaac-okoro/

It's not a good pic, but he also appears to have a large enough forehead.

[cd021]

I just posted this in the grades thread. But I'll double down - maybe it will keep a few people from jumping.



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For what its worth, the exact same thing was said about the 2011 draft. That turned out to be, probably, the second best draft of the 2000s.

[ace3g]

Same as past few years - Spurs need to draft SFs.

[JeffDuncan]

This team really needs a legit PG badly. One that is a playmaker, pass first PG, that plays D and can hit 3s. That is Tyrese Halliburton. Would absolutely love it if the spurs packaged Murray and a pick to move up and get him. He has the same size and length as Murray and is a good rebounder like him but he can actually do all of the other things you need a PG to do.

so if we keep our pick, I’d like them to go after the guys I listed above (athletic, lengthy, extremely good defenders). But my preference would be to trade up and get Haliburton.


The way things are going, are we sure the Spurs will have to trade up to get him?

Here's a little something about Halliburton.

https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/12/06/nba-draft-2020-stock-risers-fallers-beginning-season/amp/1/

[JuneJive]

Avdija is looking good.

[ZeusWillJudge]

For what its worth, the exact same thing was said about the 2011 draft. That turned out to be, probably, the second best draft of the 2000s.


You're right. And that 2011 class was a beast. Last year's draft excited the hell out of me, and there were still people saying it was thin just before the Tournament.

If nothing else, there are some good 3P shooters in colleges right now. Like I said, we don't know who is declaring - but some of them are upperclassmen, so most of them will be looking to make the jump. And if the trend of discounting anyone who plays more than 1 or 2 years of college ball continues, there should be some low-hanging fruit. The key, IMO, is in identifying the ones who are more than one-dimensional.

[Prime BEEF]

The way things are going, are we sure the Spurs will have to trade up to get him?

Here's a little something about Halliburton.

https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/12/06/nba-draft-2020-stock-risers-fallers-beginning-season/amp/1/
I don’t know. I guess it’s possible. Tankathon has him going 4th right now. I’m guessing he’ll go somewhere between 4-8. If we can get in that range obviously we have a shot.

[EasyMoney]

What are people's opinions on Jaden McDaniels?

[Leetonidas]

Spurs desperately need forwards which mean they'll draft a 6'5 SF and a 6'2 SG

[B1gduff]

Its a weak draft in regards to the fact that there is no generation player.aka a Zion, Ja...etc.

I would say that this is more of an development draft, form pick 1 to 30, the player will go need to go thru development which make take them 2-3 years.

I also would not say that this is a weak draft, there are a lot of good tier 2 prospects in the draft. Like an RJ Barrett type. There will be an outliner in here, that after reaching his potential could be a franchise player.

[look_at_g_shred]

Who are the teams in front of us that could use DDR or possibly want? Could packaging DDR with our 1st get us into the top 8-6? I guess it all depends on where we end up landing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Who are the teams in front of us that could use DDR or possibly want? Could packaging DDR with our 1st get us into the top 8-6? I guess it all depends on where we end up landing.

Spurs can't trade DDR during the draft.

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs can't trade DDR during the draft.
They could but it won't be official until the 1st?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Keep an eye on Spencer Jones at Stanford, and Jordan Nwora at Louisville. Both can stroke the 3. Both are listed as 6'7", which means they will probably measure out at about 6'5.5" at the combine (If they declare.)

Nwora is a junior, which is perfect because he may get passed over by some teams looking for superstars. He took a HUGE step up last year, and is keeping it up this year. I think he'll get more mention as the season continues.

Jones is more of a SF version of Derrick White. Similar humble beginnings, but he's looking good to me right now. If he finishes the season strong, he'll probably declare. I wouldn't be looking at him with the Spurs lottery pick, but if they trade for a high second rounder, he could be one of those guys that make this draft look better than expected. He's got the one thing that everyone needs now - he can knock down the long ball.

Jones is a freshman.

[EasyMoney]

Spurs can't trade DDR during the draft.


True unless you can convince him to opt in and agree to a sign and trade.

Atlanta has the most amount of salary to spend with over 45$ so if the Spurs are competent enough to convince him to agree to be traded to Atlanta and move up in the draft to take their pick. That'd be a good start.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

True unless you can convince him to opt in and agree to a sign and trade.

Atlanta has the most amount of salary to spend with over 45$ so if the Spurs are competent enough to convince him to agree to be traded to Atlanta and move up in the draft to take their pick. That'd be a good start.

No. Until July 1st contracts count as their current value, so no one will have cap space during the draft. DDR can be signed and traded after July 1st.

[Dejounte]

I think Okoro is only 6'6". Too short, IMO. We already have Keldon.

[Trill Clinton]

Obi Toppin please.

[Dejounte]

Spurs worked out Obi last year before he opted out of the draft. Fyi

[B1gduff]

I would love us to get Achiuwa. Is stock has been rising and he probably has as much upside in this draft as anyone else, but he's also one of the rawest guy in the draft. He has the body size, skills, Elite Athleticism to be an all-star calibrate player, with lock down defensive upside. He also fills a position of need at sf/pf. I also think he has a safe floor, which is lock-down defender.

There are a few other players in this draft that i would like us to trade for. These are
Saddiq Bey
oturu

[duncan2150]

This team really needs a legit PG badly. One that is a playmaker, pass first PG, that plays D and can hit 3s. That is Tyrese Halliburton. Would absolutely love it if the spurs packaged Murray and a pick to move up and get him. He has the same size and length as Murray and is a good rebounder like him but he can actually do all of the other things you need a PG to do.

so if we keep our pick, I’d like them to go after the guys I listed above (athletic, lengthy, extremely good defenders). But my preference would be to trade up and get Haliburton.

Haliburton looks very good, i will be very happy to have him. Complete player.

Avidja is very interesting too.

[Dejounte]

Would love to get a Bam Abedayao type from this draft

[Robz4000]

Trade the pick imo

[ZeusWillJudge]

Its a weak draft in regards to the fact that there is no generation player.aka a Zion, Ja...etc.

I would say that this is more of an development draft, form pick 1 to 30, the player will go need to go thru development which make take them 2-3 years.

I also would not say that this is a weak draft, there are a lot of good tier 2 prospects in the draft. Like an RJ Barrett type. There will be an outliner in here, that after reaching his potential could be a franchise player.


This exact time last year, they were writing things like this about De'Andre Hunter: "De’Andre Hunter’s skill set doesn’t scream for you to draft him, but he’s good at the things a modern NBA team needs from a role-playing forward." I was screaming for the Spurs to draft him, because everyone insisted he would go that low in the draft. He wound up finishing stong and having a great Tournament. He went #4 in the draft, and has started 48 games as a rookie.

Chuma Okeke was barely on anyone's radar at the start of last season. And even until February last year, people were writing articles saying that Matisse Thybulle might not even get drafted, but would probably be worth a flyer for a late second round pick. I was hoping the Spurs might get both. (Yes, publicly before the fact.)

My point is, most of the guys who write these articles don't know any more than ST. They can spot a Zion Williamson, but everyone can spot a Zion Williamson. Beyond that, a lot of them are getting their info by reading other articles.

[duncan2150]

Basically every year people say it's a weak draft.... i'm not sure about this one as i see a lot of good prospects.

[palangi]

I would love us to get Achiuwa. Is stock has been rising and he probably has as much upside in this draft as anyone else, but he's also one of the rawest guy in the draft. He has the body size, skills, Elite Athleticism to be an all-star calibrate player, with lock down defensive upside. He also fills a position of need at sf/pf. I also think he has a safe floor, which is lock-down defender.

There are a few other players in this draft that i would like us to trade for. These are
Saddiq Bey
oturu

I agree here. But pop won't draft him a 6'8" athletic SF is not what pop wants. And if we did dr as ft him pop would place him in Austin for 2 years then give him 5 minutes a night in year 3.

[B1gduff]

Can we just stop with bs, the name calling and shitting on the players/coaches/etc. I get it, we suck and i hate it to. But every team goes thru this, the Lakers went thru it, and even kobe's last few years they were fighting for an 8 seat, The heat went thru, The griz, many teams went thru it!

[ZeusWillJudge]

Can we just stop with bs, the name calling and shitting on the players/coaches/etc. I get it, we suck and i hate it to. But every team goes thru this, the Lakers went thru it, and even kobe's last few years they were fighting for an 8 seat, The heat went thru, The griz, many teams went thru it!

Oh, bullshit. Pop sucks, Bryn Forbes sucks. You suck. We aren't Memphis or LA, and they were fighting for an 8 seed. No, we can't stop the name caling, Asswipe.

There. I feel better. Don't you?

[RC_Drunkford]

Whoever the white Euro is, that's who we are drafting

[Chinook]

The Spurs' talent isn't their problem. They're drastically underperforming that talent most nights, and that's a coaching issue. There's no synergy between the roster and the scheme, and that's ridiculous given that the coach runs the FO. This isn't the natural ebbing of a once-constant stream. That was what happened two years ago. What's happening right now is beyond that and blatantly unnecessary. Lotto picks, cap space, nothing is going to fix the team until the decision-makers step down. They have the power to turn it around but no longer have the insight to do so. People Jeff McDonalding and pretending like this shit is inevitable are just enabling PATFO's misguided and frankly selfish decisions.

[Robz4000]

The Spurs' talent isn't their problem. They're drastically underperforming that talent most nights, and that's a coaching issue. There's no synergy between the roster and the scheme, and that's ridiculous given that the coach runs the FO. This isn't the natural ebbing of a once-constant stream. That was what happened two years ago. What's happening right now is beyond that and blatantly unnecessary. Lotto picks, cap space, nothing is going to fix the team until the decision-makers step down. They have the power to turn it around but no longer have the insight to do so. People Jeff McDonalding and pretending like this shit is inevitable are just enabling PATFO's misguided and frankly selfish decisions.

:wow :tu

[mo7888]

The Spurs' talent isn't their problem. They're drastically underperforming that talent most nights, and that's a coaching issue. There's no synergy between the roster and the scheme, and that's ridiculous given that the coach runs the FO. This isn't the natural ebbing of a once-constant stream. That was what happened two years ago. What's happening right now is beyond that and blatantly unnecessary. Lotto picks, cap space, nothing is going to fix the team until the decision-makers step down. They have the power to turn it around but no longer have the insight to do so. People Jeff McDonalding and pretending like this shit is inevitable are just enabling PATFO's misguided and frankly selfish decisions.

This!

[Dejounte]

Talent is not a problem? DeRozan is practically begging for more help. We have no other creator on this team that can put it on his back.

[Robz4000]

Talent is not a problem? DeRozan is practically begging for more help. We have no other creator on this team that can put it on his back.

White had no trouble doing it last season and has had stretches this season. Problem is he gets benched/neutered regularly.

[sasaint]

White had no trouble doing it last season and has had stretches this season. Problem is he gets benched/neutered regularly.

He was set up for failure last off-season. Pop took him to the National Team where, by all accounts, he performed very well. He had every reason to expect that Pop would hand him the keys to the Spurs this season, only to have them gifted to a guy who isn't a natural PG and hadn't played in a year. White is an excellent PG in the non-making, thanks to Pop.

[Mugen]

:lol Oh man, even some of the old Sniffer regime has turned on the old man...

[Drom John]

NBC Sports Washington: Tyler Byrum and Chase Hughes: 2020 NBA Mock Draft 5.0: Pre-Trade Deadline Edition
Draft order based on Jan. 29 standings. (And seemingly not playoff seedings).



16. San Antonio Spurs: Isaiah Stewart

School: Washington
Year: Freshman
Position: PF/C
Height/Weight: 6'9, 245 lbs

An imposing force on the court with a 6-9, 250-pound frame. Immediately teams will be drawn to his strength and power. Noted for focusing on all the little things and refined mechanics of a true center, but will need to work on his speed and endurance.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Mock Draft 2020: Fresh Predictions After LaMelo Ball Out for NBL Season
Mike Chiari
January 16, 2020


14. San Antonio Spurs: Josh Green, G, Arizona

[TDomination]

As mentioned above, Derrick White needs to lead this team. Last year we went as far as he went, which was pretty far considering the rest of the roster. He looks really really good at times last year and feel like he's got a good feel for the game.

DJ needs more work but I like him as well. Either off the bench or even as a shorter 3&D type player. We need defense badly and he can provide it.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I wish the moody children on this forum would stop hijaking this thread and let the rest of us talk about the draft instead of your useless rants about Pop and the team.

That said, I really like Daniel Oturu in this draft. He’s like a perfect modern 5 prototype that plays great defense at the rim and is putting up monster numbers in college. He might very well be available where the spurs are picking too.

[SAGirl]

As mentioned above, Derrick White needs to lead this team. Last year we went as far as he went, which was pretty far considering the rest of the roster. He looks really really good at times last year and feel like he's got a good feel for the game.

DJ needs more work but I like him as well. Either off the bench or even as a shorter 3&D type player. We need defense badly and he can provide it.
Part of the reason I expected the team to be better was development from them and the addition of Walker. They haven’t performed up to expectations but a good reason for it is Pop, minutes, roles, inexplicable benchings, rotations, pets etc.

[BWS-1994]

Any chance Milutinov can at least fetch the Spurs a 2nd rounder?

[TD 21]

Fit is a bigger issue than talent, but make no mistake, talent is still an issue. Even though DeRozan is the go-to initiator, their "PG" tandem is among the worst in the league offensively, their "SG" tandem is defensively and with Gay falling off a cliff, their "PF" tandem is on both sides.

We'll see where they ultimately land, but if they're a few or a handful of spots behind Avdija, I suspect they'll make a strong push to trade up for him, dangling their own pick, White and possibly a third minor asset if need be.

They've got depth of youth, all picks going forward and could possibly add more if/when they trade the "mid 3".

With the combination of his being foreign and filling a positional and theoretical skillset need, I doubt they'll be able to help themselves. If, as I suspect, they project Murray and Walker as the current back court of the future, having a "SF" who excels at making players for others is paramount.

[spurspl]

any chances we can get wiseman if we start tanking?

[JeffDuncan]

The latest Bleacher Report mock draft.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2874545-2020-nba-mock-draft-post-trade-deadline-edition.amp.html

Nico Mannion??

[jjktkk]

Spurs worked out Obi last year before he opted out of the draft. Fyi

FWIW Jay Bilas on ESPN's Pardon the interruption says Obi goes top 5 in the draft, and is the best player in the draft.

[Prime BEEF]

The latest Bleacher Report mock draft.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2874545-2020-nba-mock-draft-post-trade-deadline-edition.amp.html

Nico Mannion??
Quick but not fast. Doesn’t play good D but is a great passer, shooter and playmaker. Would be a good pickup for teams that already have athletic, lengthy, defending wings.

[Prime BEEF]

FWIW Jay Bilas on ESPN's Pardon the interruption says Obi goes top 5 in the draft, and is the best player in the draft.
Bilas isn’t too far off. I don’t think he’s the best player in the draft but he’s definitely in the top 5 best players IMO...especially in the modern nba.

[LCM]

Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball will get the hype. But Obi is right there, and producing on a winning team! You have to get in the top 4 to even get a chance at Toppin. And with this draft, the pundits think it's weak because no college stars are hitting them over the head like Zion, Barrett, Morant - no one knows where they are going to be slotted, Lakers jumped 11 to 4, Pels jumped 7 to 1, which can swing leverage on picks and trades. But if a franchise is looking at Toppin, you better be in the top 4, I'd be shocked if he slips past that especially if Dayton goes far in the tournament.

[LIT123]

Obi may be one of the top players but he will be 22 before the draft and so maybe not a best 5 prospect. Might drop to 8-10

[Thomas82]

I saw this pic in an article and thought I would share it here since it's related to the thread:https://www.spursandsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/EKMMLXIX0AAGBoy.jpeg

[BWS-1994]

I saw this pic in an article and thought I would share it here since it's related to the thread:https://www.spursandsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/EKMMLXIX0AAGBoy.jpeg

Pardon my ignorance, but who is he?

[Thomas82]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is he?

That's James Wiseman.

[Russ]

any chances we can get wiseman if we start tanking?

Wiseman looks good, but the last few high-end centers (Ayton, KAT, even Embiid) haven't really moved the needle that much for their teams.

Maybe Pop and Duncan could change that trend, but to do so might require ushering in a new era -- the post three-point era?

It's gotta happen sometime (of course, the Spurs would have to somehow get Wiseman in the first place).

[Thomas82]

Wiseman looks good, but the last few high-end centers (Ayton, KAT, even Embiid) haven't really moved the needle that much for their teams.

Maybe Pop and Duncan could change that trend, but to do so might require ushering in a new era -- the post three-point era?

It's gotta happen sometime (of course, the Spurs would have to somehow get Wiseman in the first place).

That would be music to my ears.

[exstatic]

Lamelo ball would be wild on the spurs, but Pop and RC wouldn't want him cause he's not "classy"

I don't think Pop would have a problem with LaMelo. Lonzo, by all accounts is a good guy. The problem with drafting any Ball kid is LeVar. He's an already manifested Uncle Dennis.

[Drom John]

NBC Sports : 2020 NBA Mock Draft: Who is going No. 1?
By Rob Dauster Feb 11, 2020, 3:38 PM EST


13. ISAIAH STEWART, Washington

Details: 18 years old, 6-foot-9, 250 lbs
Key Stats: 17.4 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 75.3% FT

What you see is what you get with Stewart. He’s a tireless rebounder that, at 250 pounds of solid muscle, is ready to compete in the paint against NBA bigs right now. He’s a good post scorer that has shown some glimpses of being able to make threes — the Washington staff will tell you he’s lights out in practice. That’s the good. The bad is that he is an undersized center at 6-foot-9 that doesn’t have the length or explosiveness to be able to protect the rim at the NBA level, and while he’ll put in the effort to guard on the perimeter, he has never really shown that ability. Playing in that Washington zone hasn’t helped quell those concerns, either. He’s tough, he has a motor, he’s really good at the things that he does well, but if he’s not going to protect the rim or guard on the perimeter, where does he fit in the modern NBA?

[Drom John]

Sports Illustrated: 2020 NBA Mock Draft 3.0: Anthony Edwards Stays At Top Post-Trade Deadline
Jeremy Woo
Feb 12, 2020


12. San Antonio Spurs - Nico Mannion, PG, Arizona

Height: 6’3” | Weight: 190 | Age: 18 | Freshman

As Arizona has struggled and Mannion’s issues attacking the rim have persisted, his stock has understandably leveled out a bit. He’s still an appealing option toward the back end of the lottery with all he brings to the table, although the finishing concerns for a guy with his build are legitimate, and he’s not particularly good defensively right now. Still, Mannion has always been able to figure things out on the fly, and scouts I’ve spoken with almost unanimously love his intangibles. He’s still so young that there’s plenty of time to get over the hump and work himself into a starting-caliber guard. In the worst-case scenario, Mannion profiles as a very good backup on a good team. The Spurs have too many guards, but he’s a pretty strong fit for what San Antonio likes to do offensively and culturally.

[Drom John]

nbadraft.com: 2020 Mock Draft
Updated: 2020-02-03 22:56:07


13 San Antonio Onyeka Okongwu 6-9 230 PF/C USC Fr.


43 San Antonio Malachi Flynn 6-2 175 PG San Diego St. Jr

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA: 2020 NBA Mock Draft, Post-Trade Deadline Edition
Jonathan Wasserman, February 7, 2020


13. San Antonio Spurs: Nico Mannion (Arizona, PG, Freshman)
13 of 16

Scouts have started to question whether Nico Mannion can be a star NBA point guard, though most agree he's a surefire pro capable of bringing shooting, passing and competitiveness to a backcourt.

Averaging 14.2 points and 5.7 assists, he ranks in the 80th percentile as a pick-and-roll ball-handler. And he's making 1.7 threes per game and 84.9 percent of his free throws.

While Dejounte Murray gives the San Antonio Spurs athleticism and defense at the point, Mannion is the more skilled, polished point guard with a better jumper and more natural playmaking instincts.

[Drom John]

NBAdraftroom.com: 2020 NBA Mock Draft
undated


13 Spurs Isaac Okoro SF - HT: 6-6 - WT: 225 - WING: 6-9 - FROM: Auburn - Fr.
A standout defender and excellent athlete who is a game-changer with his energy and effort. Excels in transition. faster Justin Anderson

[Drom John]

Fansided: Pippen Ain't Easy: 2020 NBA Mock Draft Version 5.0: Post trade deadline
by Aaron Peterson 1 day ago [AKA 13 February 2020]



13
R.J. Hampton Guard, New Zealand
San Antonio Spurs
8.8 points, 3.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.3 blocks, 41% fg, 30% 3pt, 21 mpg

R.J. Hampton is one of the hardest prospects in this class to get an evaluation on. He has looked solid in his time in New Zealand this year, but this time has been extremely limited. As a gifted athlete, Hampton earns his money by getting into the lane and finishing.

His ball handling and speed make him a threat to score lots inside and get to the line with ease, but his shooting touch must continue to improve. On the defensive end, Hampton shows great promise, largely in thanks to size and athleticism.

As San Antonio decided to ride with what they had at the trade deadline, despite rumors spiraling around the Riverwalk that a rebuild is on the horizon. This ignorance makes drafting here a difficult task. With Hampton, the Spurs receive a prospect with a very high ceiling that can play and guard multiple positions as a combo guard.

This way, a decision does not have to be made to win now or win later, as the New Zealand guard can help with both.
Draft Stock Trend: -4

[Drom John]

Sporting News: NBA Mock Draft 2020, post-trade deadline edition: Warriors take LaMelo Ball; Knicks pick point guard of future
Written By Chris Stone 1 day ago [AKA 13 February 2020]


12. Spurs — Obi Toppin, Forward, Dayton

H: 6-9 | W: 220 | Age: 21.9

Toppin is one of the best players in college basketball this season, and his upside as a power forward or small-ball center who can stretch the floor and create off the bounce is enticing.

If San Antonio is interested in finding players who could help immediately, Toppin would make a lot of sense.

[Robz4000]

:vomit: at these prospects. Spurs chose a bad year to finally hit the lottery. Regardless of what pick they land I'd trade it for an average SF.

[TDomination]

Who has the best defensive potential, especially at the wing position?

My biggest concern is for us to focus on defense again. Like we used to.
I would be proud to have the best defensive team in the NBA even if we were dead last in offense vs having it the other way around. Defense wins championships, that will not change.
Obviously you need SOME kind of semblance of offense but defense is where its at. Focus on that Spurs and this can be a productive offseason. Whether its through the draft or through trades.

[cd021]

Fansided: Pippen Ain't Easy: 2020 NBA Mock Draft Version 5.0: Post trade deadline
by Aaron Peterson 1 day ago [AKA 13 February 2020]

I'm really liking what I'm seeing out of the RJ Hampton videos i've seen.

He's another guard but he is a higher ceiling guard. He's really fast and athletic, looks like he attacks the rim hard. Apparently a good play-maker and has tools on defense. Ok shooter but not great.

If he falls to the Spurs, they should strongly consider him, even with Murray, White, and Walker.

[look_at_g_shred]

:vomit: at these prospects. Spurs chose a bad year to finally hit the lottery. Regardless of what pick they land I'd trade it for an average SF.
There are some good prospects in the lottery man this year.

[Robz4000]

There are some good prospects in the lottery man this year.

Only Wiseman and Edwards are worth a damn, and even they have decent bust potential. The rest are low floor medium ceiling prospects at best.

[Prime BEEF]

Who has the best defensive potential, especially at the wing position?

My biggest concern is for us to focus on defense again. Like we used to.
I would be proud to have the best defensive team in the NBA even if we were dead last in offense vs having it the other way around. Defense wins championships, that will not change.
Obviously you need SOME kind of semblance of offense but defense is where its at. Focus on that Spurs and this can be a productive offseason. Whether its through the draft or through trades.
Best front court defenders IMO...

SF: Bey, Nwora, Okoro
PF: Reed, Toppin
C: J. Smith, Okongwu

[spurspl]

toppin and nwora are the best choices

[Chomag]

Honestly I feel Spurs would do better if they traded their pick for something, non of this upcoming class after maybe 2 will be future needle movers , possibly career decent roll players at best.

[lmbebo]

I think if we are late lottery, consider trading position or just take best available talent. Don't draft for position. Should hopefully get a quality NBA player (Starter or bench person at this position). No talent to really turn a franchise around

[jjktkk]

I'm really liking what I'm seeing out of the RJ Hampton videos i've seen.

He's another guard but he is a higher ceiling guard. He's really fast and athletic, looks like he attacks the rim hard. Apparently a good play-maker and has tools on defense. Ok shooter but not great.

If he falls to the Spurs, they should strongly consider him, even with Murray, White, and Walker.

Sounds like Hampton has a lot of similar traits to Walker.

[313]

If toppin is there, thats a no brainer, but I doubt he’ll fall out of the top 5. I like Okongwu a lot as well.

Like most drafts people predict to be mediocre, there will be a couple franchise players people aren’t expecting.

I was a fan of RJ in HS, but he hasn’t shown a lot in NZ, plus to take a wing over a big in this draft...before we’ve even developed the wings we have already, would mean that wing has to be a sure fire stud. Not worth the risk right now.

[KobesAchilles]

With the 13th pick the San Antonio Spurs select D’midget Shortman.

[Biggems]

Is there a 6'2 unathletic guy with strong character who can play SF?

[weeks]

With the 13th pick the San Antonio Spurs select D’midget Shortman.

:lol D'midget Egghead Shortman

[sasaint]

Wiseman looks good, but the last few high-end centers (Ayton, KAT, even Embiid) haven't really moved the needle that much for their teams.

Maybe Pop and Duncan could change that trend, but to do so might require ushering in a new era -- the post three-point era?

It's gotta happen sometime (of course, the Spurs would have to somehow get Wiseman in the first place).

Pop and Duncan cannot change the trend. Only Silver can.

[JuneJive]

Watch them take Mannion.

That would be a megamiss.

[cd021]

Sounds like Hampton has a lot of similar traits to Walker.

Walker's actually the player that I thought of when I watched videos of Hampton. Very high ceiling tbh. If he's available Spurs shouldn't hesitate to draft him.

[Russ]

Pop and Duncan cannot change the trend. Only Silver can.

You're right. Bad ratings will likely end the three-point era before anything else.

[sasaint]

You're right. Bad ratings will likely end the three-point era before anything else.

Yours is the second allusion I have seen to bad or declining ratings recently. Are the NBA's rating declining? I don't really follow that stuff. I know the Spurs ratings have been declining for a couple of years at my house...

[daslicer]

Yours is the second allusion I have seen to bad or declining ratings recently. Are the NBA's rating declining? I don't really follow that stuff. I know the Spurs ratings have been declining for a couple of years at my house...

TV Ratings were down this year and the worst in a long time from what I was reading a few weeks ago.

[sasaint]

TV Ratings were down this year and the worst in a long time from what I was reading a few weeks ago.

Silver will probably conclude that he needs to speed the game up.

[Prime BEEF]

TV Ratings were down this year and the worst in a long time from what I was reading a few weeks ago.
IMO there are too many teams which waters down the average talent on each team. Really need to contract about 4 teams but at least get rid of 2.

[daslicer]

IMO there are too many teams which waters down the average talent on each team. Really need to contract about 4 teams but at least get rid of 2.

I think it's the perfect storm of a a bunch of factors that has caused ratings to go down. In no particular order here are the factors which I think has caused it:
1. Youtube highlights have made it so that fans don't have to tune into games now because whatever they missed can be accessible right in front of them on youtube.
2. Fans of today I feel have more awareness of how only 4-5 players are capable of winning it all. If your team doesn't have one of those players then there is no chance for contention so why even watch.
3. The media alienates fans of small market teams by always taking shots at the small market and saying their star player should leave. Even right now we are hearing how Giannis needs to leave Milwaukee to play in a bigger market. You never hear this type of shit in baseball or football. So if your team is not in NYC,LA,Miami,Bay Area, then prepare to hear an onslaught of why your team's star player should leave.
4. Due to social media age the players today are just not likable like 20-30 years ago but that's due to social media. Back in the day you didn't know about these players lives off the court but today you do. Casual fan can't relate to young spoiled millionaires who complain about just about everything.
5. Player empowerment in the sense that these guys can decide not to play whenever they don't want to play. They can hijack your team and force a trade. Stuff like this turns off regular people.
6. Relates to point 5. Players change teams too often that a fan base can't form an emotional connection with these players. When I was kid growing up in the 90's you had guys like Ewing,Malone,Hakeem, Reggie Miiller, Stockton who had played with their franchise for 10 years or longer. Today that's a rarity. Usually these guys are gone after years 7.
7. Racial dynamics. Race is very polarizing right now. The NBA has always been a super black league but we have gotten to the point where both sides have jumped to the extreme. When I say this you'll have racist fans at games that will scream racial slurs which is terrible. On the other side you can't give straight up criticism to these players or else you are deemed a racist if the player is black. I feel if #2 was white the Spurs could have gone at him more aggressively without fear of racial tension but because he was black they had to pretty much take the abuse from him and his Uncle through the media.
8. The rule changes have made the league very generic in the sense every team plays the same style of basketball. It works with casual fans in the short term but eventually it fizzles out and they start to tune out.
9. The China situation was a very bad look for the league politically. I think caused some fans not to care anymore about the NBA.
10. The regular season no longer means anything any more to most fans. The media to a large part has killed enthusiasm for the regular season by downplaying it 24/7. If you say a product is crappy all the time then people won't want it. So most fans don't really watch the games and just wait for the playoffs.
11. Lebron is getting old and the league doesn't have anybody yet who can be the new face of the league. If he doesn't go to the finals this year expect Final ratings to be down.

[dbestpro]

The point that all the teams are clones is real. The league needs a team to hate. I would love to see a team that focuses on defense first and plays as hard as the bad boy Pistons did. It would be so much fun to watch the primadonnas of the league have to play real ball with Mahorn, Lambeer and Oakley type players. It just boggles the basketball mind that Harden is considered such a great player because he can make 20 free throws a game.

[talkspurs]

I think it's the perfect storm of a a bunch of factors that has caused ratings to go down. In no particular order here are the factors which I think has caused it:
1. Youtube highlights have made it so that fans don't have to tune into games now because whatever they missed can be accessible right in front of them on youtube.
2. Fans of today I feel have more awareness of how only 4-5 players are capable of winning it all. If your team doesn't have one of those players then there is no chance for contention so why even watch.
3. The media alienates fans of small market teams by always taking shots at the small market and saying their star player should leave. Even right now we are hearing how Giannis needs to leave Milwaukee to play in a bigger market. You never hear this type of shit in baseball or football. So if your team is not in NYC,LA,Miami,Bay Area, then prepare to hear an onslaught of why your team's star player should leave.
4. Due to social media age the players today are just not likable like 20-30 years ago but that's due to social media. Back in the day you didn't know about these players lives off the court but today you do. Casual fan can't relate to young spoiled millionaires who complain about just about everything.
5. Player empowerment in the sense that these guys can decide not to play whenever they don't want to play. They can hijack your team and force a trade. Stuff like this turns off regular people.
6. Relates to point 5. Players change teams too often that a fan base can't form an emotional connection with these players. When I was kid growing up in the 90's you had guys like Ewing,Malone,Hakeem, Reggie Miiller, Stockton who had played with their franchise for 10 years or longer. Today that's a rarity. Usually these guys are gone after years 7.
7. Racial dynamics. Race is very polarizing right now. The NBA has always been a super black league but we have gotten to the point where both sides have jumped to the extreme. When I say this you'll have racist fans at games that will scream racial slurs which is terrible. On the other side you can't give straight up criticism to these players or else you are deemed a racist if the player is black. I feel if #2 was white the Spurs could have gone at him more aggressively without fear of racial tension but because he was black they had to pretty much take the abuse from him and his Uncle through the media.
8. The rule changes have made the league very generic in the sense every team plays the same style of basketball. It works with casual fans in the short term but eventually it fizzles out and they start to tune out.
9. The China situation was a very bad look for the league politically. I think caused some fans not to care anymore about the NBA.
10. The regular season no longer means anything any more to most fans. The media to a large part has killed enthusiasm for the regular season by downplaying it 24/7. If you say a product is crappy all the time then people won't want it. So most fans don't really watch the games and just wait for the playoffs.
11. Lebron is getting old and the league doesn't have anybody yet who can be the new face of the league. If he doesn't go to the finals this year expect Final ratings to be down.

I agree with the first 10. 11 is marketing. they can find someone else just have not wanted to.
I would also add Player politics talking about it turns off people and related is them talking about wanting more for the poor but making so much money. While a lot of players donate some of the money they make they also live extravagant lifestyles. I am not saying this is wrong but they say one thing and do another.

[SAGirl]

I think it's the perfect storm of a a bunch of factors that has caused ratings to go down. In no particular order here are the factors which I think has caused it:
1. Youtube highlights have made it so that fans don't have to tune into games now because whatever they missed can be accessible right in front of them on youtube.
2. Fans of today I feel have more awareness of how only 4-5 players are capable of winning it all. If your team doesn't have one of those players then there is no chance for contention so why even watch.
3. The media alienates fans of small market teams by always taking shots at the small market and saying their star player should leave. Even right now we are hearing how Giannis needs to leave Milwaukee to play in a bigger market. You never hear this type of shit in baseball or football. So if your team is not in NYC,LA,Miami,Bay Area, then prepare to hear an onslaught of why your team's star player should leave.
4. Due to social media age the players today are just not likable like 20-30 years ago but that's due to social media. Back in the day you didn't know about these players lives off the court but today you do. Casual fan can't relate to young spoiled millionaires who complain about just about everything.
5. Player empowerment in the sense that these guys can decide not to play whenever they don't want to play. They can hijack your team and force a trade. Stuff like this turns off regular people.
6. Relates to point 5. Players change teams too often that a fan base can't form an emotional connection with these players. When I was kid growing up in the 90's you had guys like Ewing,Malone,Hakeem, Reggie Miiller, Stockton who had played with their franchise for 10 years or longer. Today that's a rarity. Usually these guys are gone after years 7.
7. Racial dynamics. Race is very polarizing right now. The NBA has always been a super black league but we have gotten to the point where both sides have jumped to the extreme. When I say this you'll have racist fans at games that will scream racial slurs which is terrible. On the other side you can't give straight up criticism to these players or else you are deemed a racist if the player is black. I feel if #2 was white the Spurs could have gone at him more aggressively without fear of racial tension but because he was black they had to pretty much take the abuse from him and his Uncle through the media.
8. The rule changes have made the league very generic in the sense every team plays the same style of basketball. It works with casual fans in the short term but eventually it fizzles out and they start to tune out.
9. The China situation was a very bad look for the league politically. I think caused some fans not to care anymore about the NBA.
10. The regular season no longer means anything any more to most fans. The media to a large part has killed enthusiasm for the regular season by downplaying it 24/7. If you say a product is crappy all the time then people won't want it. So most fans don't really watch the games and just wait for the playoffs.
11. Lebron is getting old and the league doesn't have anybody yet who can be the new face of the league. If he doesn't go to the finals this year expect Final ratings to be down.
You didn’t add

GSW sucking this year has likely caused a huge fan base they had to tune off.

Durant also is injured.

[Drom John]

Watch them take Mannion.

That would be a megamiss.

Forbes: Updated 2020 NBA Mock Draft: Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija And James Wiseman Round Out The Top Four
Tommy Beer, Feb 17, 2020, 09:21am


13. San Antonio Spurs: Nico Mannion, PG, Arizona, - Freshman

Mannion's struggles this season have caused his stock to dip a bit. However, although he may not have a superstar ceiling, because of his solid all-around game and intangibles, most scouts agree that he is an extremely safe pick with a high floor. The Spurs have young, talented guards in Dejounte Murray and Derrick White, but Mannion seems like he'd be a great fit in their system.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

You didn’t add

GSW sucking this year has likely caused a huge fan base they had to tune off.

Durant also is injured.
Ratings were down 20% last year too though. Plus both LA teams are front runners for the title, so this should be an upyear if anything for the league. Silver has done a lot of good things for the league, the problem is that the players are letting him down. Lebron, KD, Steph, Harden, Kyrie, Kawhi, these are all players who have literally said (or their actions have said) that the regular season doesn't matter. Until that mindset changes, at least perception wise, there is no real fix for this.

[BackHome]

Is this a ratings thread or a draft thread I am confused?

[daslicer]

I agree with the first 10. 11 is marketing. they can find someone else just have not wanted to.
I would also add Player politics talking about it turns off people and related is them talking about wanting more for the poor but making so much money. While a lot of players donate some of the money they make they also live extravagant lifestyles. I am not saying this is wrong but they say one thing and do another.

1. Right now the problem is there is no current young player for the league to market as the face of the league. Some would say it should be Giannis but the problem with Giannis is that he's a foreigner so it makes it harder to sell him to casual fans. There has been a push by the media to try to make #2 that guy but it has failed miserably due to him having zero charisma and load management. Right now there is nobody under the age of 30 the league can push. It could take a few years before they can find that new guy to market. I can tell they are hoping it will be Zion judging by all the hype he's getting.

2. I definitely agree with you on the players politics offending people especially when they say they care and understand the plight of the poor but then say stupid things such as "The regular season is too long and I don't feel I should have to play that many games." or "My life is very hard and difficult."

[daslicer]

Ratings were down 20% last year too though. Plus both LA teams are front runners for the title, so this should be an upyear if anything for the league. Silver has done a lot of good things for the league, the problem is that the players are letting him down. Lebron, KD, Steph, Harden, Kyrie, Kawhi, these are all players who have literally said (or their actions have said) that the regular season doesn't matter. Until that mindset changes, at least perception wise, there is no real fix for this.

Agreed I was going to give a similar response but you have already said what I was going to say. Just like you said the Lakers are a contender but TV ratings are down which is not a good sign. In the past whenever the Lakers have been contenders the ratings have always been up. Also most Warrior fans are also Laker fans so there shouldn't be a drop off.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: 2020 NBA Mock Draft: No. 1 Spot Up for Grabs 1 Month Before NCAA Tournament
Jonathan Wasserman, February 18, 2020


13. San Antonio Spurs: Nico Mannion (Arizona, PG, Freshman)

Mannion would be a complement to Dejounte Murray in San Antonio with his sharper passing and shooting. He's in a slump and lacks advantageous physical tools that Hayes and Anthony possess, but his skill level and competitiveness remain attractive for an NBA guard.

[TimDunkem]

Totally should grab another guard when you have one in DD masquerading as a SF, you have DJ and White, Mills is a Spur for life, Belli will probably get minimum deals here until he retires too, and you're about to give Bryan Fobbes a new contract. Totally.

[Drom John]

ESPN as cited by SB Nation A Sea of Blue

13. Spurs - RJ Hampton

[Drom John]

UPROXX: DimeMag: 2020 NBA Mock Draft: The Race For Who Will Be The Top Pick Remains Wide Open
Brad Rowland, February 17, 2020


12. San Antonio Spurs – Obi Toppin (C/F, Dayton)

Toppin has been lights-out at Dayton this season, carving out a clear path to a top-15 selection in this year’s draft. Offensively, he is rivaled only by Okongwu in terms of effectiveness and efficiency for a big man, and Toppin’s offensive skill set is varied and impressive. In San Antonio, he’d fit a role immediately with room to grow beyond that, and they don’t shy away from taking older players when needed.

[Spurs Homer]

when are these bums scheduled to lose again and continue the draft countdown?


bums have been on vacation longer than schoolteachers -

[JuneJive]

Okoro looks great and is definetly in my top 5 this draft.

[rascal]

The Spurs need to move into the top 10.

[look_at_g_shred]

Could the spurs use the draft pic and LMA to move up 2? 3? Spots? I guess it depends on the team. Maybe like Sac..I think there was interest in during the deadline..

[Drom John]

Fansided: Busting Brackets: NBA Draft 2020: Lottery shakeups highlight new mock draft
Brian Rauf 2 hours ago AKA 20 February 2020



13
Precious Achiuwa
PF, San Antonio Spurs
San Antonio Spurs

San Antonio has a history of taking some very talented, yet raw, players and developing them into quality NBA guys (Dejounte Murray and Kawhi Leonard, for example). Achiuwa has all the raw ability in the world as an uber-athletic four-man, but his skill set is still undefined. The Spurs could get that out of him and have a potential gem on their hands.

[Drom John]

Hashtag Basketball: Meet the top 60 prospects of the 2020 NBA Draft.
With scouting reports from Tyler Metcalf Last updated: February 19, 2020
Ranking without teams



13. Tyrese Maxey

6'2 | 190lbs | SG | Kentucky

NBA Comparison (playing style)

Lou Williams, 2018 Derrick Rose, Malik Monk

Tyrese Maxey is one of the most impressive pure scorers in the country. He is incredibly quick and doesn't struggle to get his shot. When he is playing off-ball, his quickness and change of pace make it incredibly difficult for defenders to stay with him. When he has the ball, his lightning-quick first step can get him to the rim with ease or he can utilize a crippling stepback to create space for a jumper. Maxey's shooting can be streaky though and he will need to continue to work on creating more space for his jumpers because his low release point could be an issue at the next level. As a playmaker, Maxey is pretty limited. He doesn't make many bad passes, but he also doesn't look to create for his teammates too often. On the defensive end, Maxey's quickness makes him a tenacious on-ball defender. Unfortunately, this same quickness gets him into a lot of trouble too. He can get caught ball watching, over-rotating, and jumping at too many pump fakes. If he can improve his defensive discipline, he will become a much more effective defender.

Strengths

Scoring, quickness, off-ball movement, rebounding

Weaknesses

Streaky shooter, playmaking, defensive discipline

[spurs50_]

It sucks going into this draft not knowing what we have in last yr's draft......thanks to Popovich

[BackHome]

Yeah I am hoping they don’t draft another PG or SG if we can loose a few more games I think we have a good chance of getting a starting SF/PF. The biggest issue will be this summer I am hoping they let Forbes and Beli walk and figure out what they LMA and DEROZZ want to do. We can’t let them walk for nothing need to get something from them if they want to leave SA - Also Biggest problemo will be who replace Poop?

[SpurPadre]

Yeah I am hoping they don’t draft another PG or SG if we can loose a few more games I think we have a good chance of getting a starting SF/PF. The biggest issue will be this summer I am hoping they let Forbes and Beli walk and figure out what they LMA and DEROZZ want to do. We can’t let them walk for nothing need to get something from them if they want to leave SA - Also Biggest problemo will be who replace Poop?

Manu, tbh.

[Drom John]

Fansided: The Sixer Sense: NBA Draft 2020: Mock Draft 1.0
Christopher Kline 4 hours ago, AKA 21 February 2020



12
Precious Achiuwa
FORWARD / MEMPHIS, San Antonio Spurs
San Antonio Spurs

The Spurs opt for potential here, and Precious Achiuwa has displayed plenty over the course of this season. Memphis’ lesser known prospect, Achiuwa has benefited from the increased spotlight in Wiseman’s absence. He has a real chance at the lottery.

Achiuwa is a tantalizing athlete. He’s 6-foot-9, wields a 7-foot-3 wingspan, and has collected defensive stats in bulk this season. He’s springy in the open court, he’s a hound on the glass, and he’s mobile enough to defend effectively in space.

The Spurs have to look beyond the LaMarcus Aldridge–DeMar DeRozan pairing at some point. Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker are the most promising young pieces on the roster, and Achiuwa leaves Popovich with a strong defensive core moving forward.

[look_at_g_shred]

Okoro and precious fill a desperate need.

[look_at_g_shred]

Two Weeks until MM begins. Who will you be watching out for?