"Young Three" Sniffers

[Collins21]

There's a contingent of Spurs fans on Twitter who overrate the hell out of the young talent on this team. I've heard everything from Derrick White is a top 10 shooting guard to Derrick White is a better Brandon Roy the shit like this is disgustinghttps://mobile.twitter.com/AssassinateHate/status/1225931183009206272

[tim_duncan_fan]

They have the physical tools to be really good, but neither has the mental toughness required.

I can't believe we are 40 games into White's 3rd or 4th year and the motherfucker still won't shoot more than 5 times in a game. Same problem with Dejounte.
And the dumbfucks are scared to shoot 3s even though they have good percentages.

Lonnie is younger, but I really am not super impressed with either of them.

They just seem to lack the will to be more than very solid bench guys even though there is plenty of opportunity to try to do more on our weak-ass team.

Oh well. It sucks, but we can't make them want it. That has to be innate.

[phxspurfan]

They have the physical tools to be really good, but neither has the mental toughness required.

I can't believe we are 40 games into White's 3rd or 4th year and the motherfucker still won't shoot more than 5 times in a game. Same problem with Dejounte.
And the dumbfucks are scared to shoot 3s even though they have good percentages.

Lonnie is younger, but I really am not super impressed with either of them.

They just seem to lack the will to be more than very solid bench guys even though there is plenty of opportunity to try to do more on our weak-ass team.

Oh well. It sucks, but we can't make them want it. That has to be innate.

Bend over, I’ll show you a physical tool

[BlackAndWhite]

Derrick White is legit. He proved it last season. I can't say the same about Delonte Murray or Walker who never showed they can handle a significant role

[Collins21]

Derrick White is legit. He proved it last season. I can't say the same about Delonte Murray or Walker who never showed they can handle a significant

role


I root for Derrick white I use to play ball with him when he was a kid we lived in the same neighborhood when he was in high school so just to see him in the NBA I support but he's naturally a low key guy and it's that mentality that holds him back. Out of those 3 he's the one I bet to break out though.

[monty4329]

Derrick White is legit. He proved it last season. I can't say the same about Delonte Murray or Walker who never showed they can handle a significant role

White is more than legit. It is shameful how he got robbed of the starting role. I am actually impressed he keeps showing up positive, given the obvious bias Pop has for Murray. Hope he'll try to get out of here for his sake, he is a starter in the league for sure.

Poor Murray can't be faulted, really. Bad injury. He is exciting to watch when locked on on D, even if he takes more gambles than Rondo on steals. But if you can't shoot, you can't play PG in the NBA. At the very best, you can have a Rubio career. And he is by no means a Rubio talent, far from it. So what role can he play? Sporadic minutes of tight D and fastbreaks, not much more than that.

Lonnie...well, he can go to the dunk contest once a year -if he doesn't clank dunks too.

[barakz21]

What I hate is that Lonnie RARELY gets passes come his way. I’m actually kinda surprised that he rarely calls his own number when those passes do come. Kid knows what he can do, that he’s good but doesn’t force the issue. Kudos to him.

[bdictjames]

DJ's hands are too loose with the basketball. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he can handle the complexities of NBA playmaking, and has to resort to his athleticism, and that's about it. Probably kind of like Francisco Elson. Jumps like a deer, runs like a deer, thinks like a deer. I'd like for him to prove me wrong, but sadly, that's what I see.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dj locked on d? fkn clown hasnt locked down anyone...still living off that nba consolation all defensive 2nd team participation award the league gave him?....fck he didnt lock anyone down that year also

[Russ]

Executive summary of the above -- "Losing sucks."

[C-Dub]

On another note, LMA is a big part of the loosing especially for the money he makes and no one really ever mentions it. He should be moved sooner than later.

[DJR210]

Yeah, I can't say I'm as optimistic about this 'core' as I was pre-season.. Derrick White is inconsistent, Lonnie has had really one good game in his career at the NBA level.. DJ I will hold off until he has more time to heal as year 2 from the injury usually unlocks a new level of explosiveness from the athlete.

I see the dumbass "you're not a real fan if you complain about the team" posse on the Spurs Instagram comments and it's retarded IMO.. I'm perfectly fine with the team having some losing seasons, but I want to feel like we have a plan.. and at this point I can't say I see where this team is headed

[DJR210]

What I hate is that Lonnie RARELY gets passes come his way. I’m actually kinda surprised that he rarely calls his own number when those passes do come. Kid knows what he can do, that he’s good but doesn’t force the issue. Kudos to him.

When he does get the pass he hesitates and shoots out of rhythm

[Chinook]

When he does get the pass he hesitates and shoots out of rhythm

Yeah, it's not some cool and collected thing on his part. My guess is that Pop is in his ear telling Lonnie to be three-and-D, and it makes Walker hesitate on any shot other than the corner-three. In reality, Pop needs to run plays for Walker, because with Gay and White on the court, the offense won't naturally allow for a third ball-handler. Lonnie definitely presses when he gets the ball. He's not going to ruin the possession running into a brick wall, but he will try to exploit any crease he finds with no real ability to finish. If he got more plays called for him, not only would he be better in situations where he has the ball and needs to attack, but he'd be less likely to try to attack just to get a touch.

[Chinook]

Also, the Spurs hesitate on open threes way more than other teams. It's pretty galling.

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/AssassinateHate/status/1225931183009206272?s=19

This is disgusting? How? Its facts. Nephew's numbers improving go hand in hand with Pop slowly shifting the offense away from an old vet (Enrique). Neph didn't look like an MVP candidate or Top 3 guy in the league until that shift was complete and the reins had been fully handed over to him.

I think saying any one of the young three can step right in and do what DeMar is doing with higher usage is foolish. I do think Derrick and Lonnie can show a lot more with more minutes, touches, and overall involvement in the offense though. I also think Murray is better suited as an off ball two guard next to White. Let him play defense, run out in transition, spot up from three a little, slash and pull up for midrange off of others penetration (not dancing around going 1 on 1 as the PG), attack the basket for offensive rebounds. He still brings a lot to the table. He's just not a PG, not sure why Pop insists on fitting a square peg into a round hole. Even the rare times White is out there with Murray, Pop has Murray running the point.

I guess Pop being an idiot at this point shouldn't surprise me though given the Brent experiment.

[look_at_g_shred]

They can’t flourish until lma/ddr are gone. Pop runs the offense through them. Everyone else has to fall in line.

[itzsoweezee]

This new trend of baking the young guys is fascinating. Poptards are so desperate to shift the blame from his horrible coaching and personnel decisions.

[Collins21]

https://twitter.com/AssassinateHate/status/1225931183009206272?s=19

This is disgusting? How? Its facts. Nephew's numbers improving go hand in hand with Pop slowly shifting the offense away from an old vet (Enrique). Neph didn't look like an MVP candidate or Top 3 guy in the league until that shift was complete and the reins had been fully handed over to him.

I think saying any one of the young three can step right in and do what DeMar is doing with higher usage is foolish. I do think Derrick and Lonnie can show a lot more with more minutes, touches, and overall involvement in the offense though. I also think Murray is better suited as an off ball two guard next to White. Let him play defense, run out in transition, spot up from three a little, slash and pull up for midrange off of others penetration (not dancing around going 1 on 1 as the PG), attack the basket for offensive rebounds. He still brings a lot to the table. He's just not a PG, not sure why Pop insists on fitting a square peg into a round hole. Even the rare times White is out there with Murray, Pop has Murray running the point.

I guess Pop being an idiot at this point shouldn't surprise me though given the Brent experiment.

It's disgusting because even when LA was out those dudes had every opportunity to score the rock. If each one of them just scored 8 points we win that bulls game. These clowns on twitter will say that Derrick can do what DeMar does if he had more time and touches which isn't true. Do you believe that Derrick White is a better Brandon Roy as well?

[south side spur]

You can blame these kids if you want but this team lacks leadership...starting with Pop. You seriously underestimate Forbes getting 3rd most minutes and Belinelli getting minutes in crunch time. You want these kids to improve but what message does it send them when 2 turnstiles get minutes in the 4th quarter and the game is in doubt? That’s what these kids are learning.

This whole “learn the game in Austin” ideology is ok when you have a team that plays the right way. They don’t have that anymore and Pop needs to start doing his fucking job instead of hiding under the guise of “learn the game first”. How about teach these kids the game Pop? Forbes and Belinelli? What excuses could you possibly make why the kids don’t get more minutes in the 4th quarter? Pop has given up defensively for guys that are terrible but try really hard. Since they’re both tapped out potentially that makes it ok? Disgusting.

And articles like that “Forbes is doing all he can despite his haters” in the express news awhile back are perpetuating this. It’s ok Forbesie you’re trying so hard that’s all we ask for. $&@#ing bull$&@%!!!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

theres still hope for white to become maybe a solid 4th/5th option. i still got faith juice for lonnie.

poeltl/lyles are on track to be inoffensively OK

but djm, ford, belli? nuh uh. cut em

[FkLA]

It's disgusting because even when LA was out those dudes had every opportunity to score the rock. If each one of them just scored 8 points we win that bulls game. These clowns on twitter will say that Derrick can do what DeMar does if he had more time and touches which isn't true. Do you believe that Derrick White is a better Brandon Roy as well?

WTF does LMA being out have to do with any of them? Does that mean more minutes for any of those guys? More touches, more plays ran for them?

No. White still played his 22 minutes, Lonnie under 15, Murray 22. The guys that benefit from someone like LMA being out (aside from Yakob obviously) are vets like DeMar, Patty, and to a lesser extent Brent. They have the green light and/or have the offense ran through them more than usual. If Brent wasn't such a g-leaguer and didn't struggle to get his shot off he'd benefit the most from a guy like LMA being out, since he has the biggest green light on the team with Pop thinking he's mini-Curry and all. :rolleyes

[rascal]

Spur fans overrate their players.

[KobesAchilles]

It’s almost impossible to tell how good they are bc of the shitty coaching tbh. Can White and Murray co-exist? It’s February and we still don’t know the answer ffs. How good are they defensively? Impossible to tell bc they always play next to the worst defender on the team. Shooting is all about rhythm. Well they don’t have any bc their minutes fluctuate daily. White loves playing pick n roll b-ball but Pop plays our best screener 12 minutes a game. White had a great connection with LMA last season, how many minutes do those two get together. How many plays are designed for Lonnie to get an easy basket to up his confidence? None. Does Pop play fast to benefit his young three? No. I honestly don’t know what to make of any of them and that’s 100% on the coach.

[sasaint]

White is more than legit. It is shameful how he got robbed of the starting role. I am actually impressed he keeps showing up positive, given the obvious bias Pop has for Murray. Hope he'll try to get out of here for his sake, he is a starter in the league for sure.

Poor Murray can't be faulted, really. Bad injury. He is exciting to watch when locked on on D, even if he takes more gambles than Rondo on steals. But if you can't shoot, you can't play PG in the NBA. At the very best, you can have a Rubio career. And he is by no means a Rubio talent, far from it. So what role can he play? Sporadic minutes of tight D and fastbreaks, not much more than that.

Lonnie...well, he can go to the dunk contest once a year -if he doesn't clank dunks too.

I completely agree that Derrick is just the most recent player that Pop has mishandled badly. But Dijon has been mishandled, too, albeit in a different way. His shooting percentages indicate that he could become a very good SG. But Pop is determined to force him into the PG position, for which he has very little aptitude. If Pop didn't overload Dijon's plate with these additional responsibilities, but instead had him concentrating on shooting the ball (especially 3s) and told the kid he was the teams SG, I think Murray would prove himself more than capable. Than hand the keys to Derrick, as he once did Tony, and play those guys more minutes and more minutes together, and we would have some backcourt. But as long as Dumbmar and LMA have a collective usage rate over 50% and Pop insists on giving each his ISOs, it is no surprise that neither Dijon nor Derrick feels free to call his own number with any regularity. Sure they are gun-shy playing in the shadow of the team's 2 Pop-ordained pseudo-stars.

[R. DeMurre]

It's just a badly constructed team at this point with a a bad allotment of minutes doled out. The young three almost always have to focus on being defensive stoppers because they're paired with statistically bad defenders in Forbes, Beli, Mills, and DeRozan. All three defer to DeRozan because he's the "star" max player, even though his advanced stats clearly show he's not a great difference maker. It's just not a great situation, and as a long time fan it's frustrating to watch. It took Aldridge three years to figure out that shooting some threes makes sense... and now he leads the team in 3pt%, but still doesn't shoot enough of them. DeMar getting the most minutes and having the highest usage rate on the team is a recipe for mediocrity. These just aren't the Spurs I've followed for twenty years... isolation offense, passing up threes, three poor defenders on the floor at the same time... it's like the Spurs threw away their playbook and decided to base their entire attack on contrarianism.

[vander]

DDR and LMA ball dominance is hindering the growth of the young guys, as well as Pop/Forbes/Gay
we won't know how good they can be until they get out from under that burden

[BlackAndWhite]

Maybe you can contact him and ask him what's up with the spurs this year.

[sasaint]

It's just a badly constructed team at this point with a a bad allotment of minutes doled out. The young three almost always have to focus on being defensive stoppers because they're paired with statistically bad defenders in Forbes, Beli, Mills, and DeRozan. All three defer to DeRozan because he's the "star" max player, even though his advanced stats clearly show he's not a great difference maker. It's just not a great situation, and as a long time fan it's frustrating to watch. It took Aldridge three years to figure out that shooting some threes makes sense... and now he leads the team in 3pt%, but still doesn't shoot enough of them. DeMar getting the most minutes and having the highest usage rate on the team is a recipe for mediocrity. These just aren't the Spurs I've followed for twenty years... isolation offense, passing up threes, three poor defenders on the floor at the same time... it's like the Spurs threw away their playbook and decided to base their entire attack on contrarianism.

Yep, because they are coached by the Great Contrarian.

[sasaint]

DDR and LMA ball dominance is hindering the growth of the young guys, as well as Pop/Forbes/Gay
we won't know how good they can be until they get out from under that burden


AND that burden will not be relieved until the Old Asshole goes bye-bye.

[itzsoweezee]

They can’t flourish until lma/ddr are gone. Pop runs the offense through them. Everyone else has to fall in line.

Yup. Particularly DeRozan. He's holding back the development of the young guys

[Prime BEEF]

AND that burden will not be relieved until the Old Asshole goes bye-bye.
Yup. Everything will always suck until he leaves. Even if the spurs had a top 3 pick in the draft pop would ruin the kid. The most important thing right now is to get rid of pop. Nothing else matters

[Spurtacular]

Derrick White is legit. He proved it last season.

A legit mediocre player. :lol

[B1gduff]

Wait i though you guys wanted these guys to play more mins? where are the people that wanted lonnie to get mins, or Dj to play more, or White.....Maybe pop and Co were right.
What do most of you guy know? other than complaining.

[tmtcsc]

There's also a contingent of us who have NEVER seen or agreed with the potential stardom of DJM. In fact, we've seen the opposite. Unfortunately, we're being proven correct. All hype, all mouth, all Instagram. It's actually sad to see this dude flailing and failing. I'm certain he believes in his destined #greatness but he doesn't have it. He may carve out a career as a defensive role player but that's his ceiling. Good rebounder and decent defender at this point but severely lacking in basic basketball & point guard skills. Not much smarts for the game. Oh, but he's on the books for 64 Million. Makes Patty look like a bargain.

[tmtcsc]

The Spurs roster & struggles are a nightly reminder of the total destruction left in the wake of Kawhi Leonard's abandonment. He completely devastated the franchise with his refusal to play here. I want to give the front office some sort of credit for not being this incompetent. The shambled roster (minus Carroll, DeMar & Poetel) was mostly constructed to complement Leonard.
What they were left with is useless garbage. No one competes, no one hates to lose & everyone is happily collecting checks on their way to their next team.

[sasaint]

The Spurs roster & struggles are a nightly reminder of the total destruction left in the wake of Kawhi Leonard's abandonment. He completely devastated the franchise with his refusal to play here. I want to give the front office some sort of credit for not being this incompetent. The shambled roster (minus Carroll, DeMar & Poetel) was mostly constructed to complement Leonard.
What they were left with is useless garbage. No one competes, no one hates to lose & everyone is happily collecting checks on their way to their next team.

What?! You are arguing that the players that PATFO chose to complement Leonard don't compete, don't hate to lose and are happy to collect checks...

[r0drig0lac]

The Spurs roster & struggles are a nightly reminder of the total destruction left in the wake of Kawhi Leonard's abandonment. He completely devastated the franchise with his refusal to play here. I want to give the front office some sort of credit for not being this incompetent. The shambled roster (minus Carroll, DeMar & Poetel) was mostly constructed to complement Leonard.
What they were left with is useless garbage. No one competes, no one hates to lose & everyone is happily collecting checks on their way to their next team.
no, it's all about Pop

[tim_duncan_fan]

The Spurs roster & struggles are a nightly reminder of the total destruction left in the wake of Kawhi Leonard's abandonment. He completely devastated the franchise with his refusal to play here. I want to give the front office some sort of credit for not being this incompetent. The shambled roster (minus Carroll, DeMar & Poetel) was mostly constructed to complement Leonard.
What they were left with is useless garbage. No one competes, no one hates to lose & everyone is happily collecting checks on their way to their next team.

To be fair, this roster still sucks with Kawhi instead of Demar.

Seeing the character of the guys who would be his supporting cast, how could anyone blame Kawhi for getting out?

No one on this team wants to be great, which is why White, Murray, and to some extent, Walker, don't play with more purpose and aggression. They don't want to be as great as they can be. It's all mental.

Kawhi would be wasted here. Imagine Kawhi Leonard throwing to a wide-open Murray at the three, just for Dejounte to dribble into defenders, giving up the open look. And that's an everyday thing from both White and Murray. Just timid and scary at all times, constantly refusing open shots.

No one wants to play with that kind of bullshit when they have options.

[look_at_g_shred]

To be fair, this roster still sucks with Kawhi instead of Demar.

Seeing the character of the guys who would be his supporting cast, how could anyone blame Kawhi for getting out?

No one on this team wants to be great, which is why White, Murray, and to some extent, Walker, don't play with more purpose and aggression. They don't want to be as great as they can be. It's all mental.

Kawhi would be wasted here. Imagine Kawhi Leonard throwing to a wide-open Murray at the three, just for Dejounte to dribble into defenders, giving up the open look. And that's an everyday thing from both White and Murray. Just timid and scary at all times, constantly refusing open shots.

No one wants to play with that kind of bullshit when they have options.
I disagree with this. The last time KL was healthy and playing with the spurs, they were in the WCF up 20+ on the Warriors.

[JeffDuncan]

The Spurs roster & struggles are a nightly reminder of the total destruction left in the wake of Kawhi Leonard's abandonment. ...



Gosh, you're crazy. You are a freak show nut case.

Like your avatar, btw. But you're out of your mind.

[DMC]

AND that burden will not be relieved until the Old Asshole goes bye-bye.

Bend over, I'll show you the old asshole going bye-bye.

[SAGirl]

The Spurs roster & struggles are a nightly reminder of the total destruction left in the wake of Kawhi Leonard's abandonment. He completely devastated the franchise with his refusal to play here. I want to give the front office some sort of credit for not being this incompetent. The shambled roster (minus Carroll, DeMar & Poetel) was mostly constructed to complement Leonard.
What they were left with is useless garbage. No one competes, no one hates to lose & everyone is happily collecting checks on their way to their next team.
The franchise took a big hit no doubt but it’s no different than had Tim retred and Kawhi wasn’t here. Some years of suckage were due and we understand that.

They could have embraced that and traded Kawhi for assets to help a rebuild and done the same with Danny and LMA... Danny did not have to be a throw in. I think they thought that putting another all star next to LaMarcus would be enough but anyways here we are. There have been franchise cornerstones in the drafts immediately subsequent to Kashis departure. I am sure fans would have complained but it’s possible by now they would be in a better spot with smart moves a rebuild (and obviously some luck with draft position). Anyways that’s the past.

Thry at least have all their picks going forward they just need to commit to rebuilding the team... and by that I mean make over.

[SAGirl]

What?! You are arguing that the players that PATFO chose to complement Leonard don't compete, don't hate to lose and are happy to collect checks...
When Kawhi was here his fandom was already arguing he would leave b4 he did and complained that PATFO moves while the team had a HOF player in his prime (no doubt Kawhi is carving a HOF career) were to re-sign Pau in a horribly overpriced deal at 38 yrs old and Patty. Anyways again that’s the past.

What matters is what they are going to do going forward. I am afraid they’ll Max out Derozan and roll it back with perhaps a minor change. Unless Derozan wants out. Then we shall see if LMA also wants to be traded and what happens.

As for the youngins, maybe I have overrated them. If wouldn’t e the first time and probably will not be the last. I always hope the youngins reach their best selves but it’s rare the player who maximizes everything they can be. I still have hope for all of them but if they end up not good enough, they have to go back to the draft with a better position and some player in mind too, not just whoever fell to you.

[Manong Ginobili]

As long as Pop has a hard on for Forbes, and eventually pays him this offseason, then we would never find out if White, Murray and even IV can co-exist because Forbes will always be the starting SG.

[slick'81]

Murray and white need to start,that is all

[sasaint]

When Kawhi was here his fandom was already arguing he would leave b4 he did and complained that PATFO moves while the team had a HOF player in his prime (no doubt Kawhi is carving a HOF career) were to re-sign Pau in a horribly overpriced deal at 38 yrs old and Patty. Anyways again that’s the past.

What matters is what they are going to do going forward. I am afraid they’ll Max out Derozan and roll it back with perhaps a minor change. Unless Derozan wants out. Then we shall see if LMA also wants to be traded and what happens.

As for the youngins, maybe I have overrated them. If wouldn’t e the first time and probably will not be the last. I always hope the youngins reach their best selves but it’s rare the player who maximizes everything they can be. I still have hope for all of them but if they end up not good enough, they have to go back to the draft with a better position and some player in mind too, not just whoever fell to you.

Yeah, you and I were the big Kyle fans back when... :lol And I liked Simmons, too. I called them Spurs TNG. I missed those calls a wee bit :lol

At this point, as long as Pop is still a part of the Spurs' organization, there simply isn't a compelling reason to speculate. These last two seasons (especially this one) have just ground me down. The team has already hung on to both Dumbmar and LMA past their sell-by dates, so it will never get any value for them; and Bryn will be a fixture as long as the Old Asshole holds sway.

I don't think the young guys are over-rated by you or others (myself, included). I think Pop is just throttling them, neutering them and misusing them. That, too, will prevail as long as the "stars" are around. I can only generate energy to think about the team's future when I am excited about the team. I simply can't get excited about this dud.

[Genovaswitness]

To be fair, this roster still sucks with Kawhi instead of Demar.

Seeing the character of the guys who would be his supporting cast, how could anyone blame Kawhi for getting out?

No one on this team wants to be great, which is why White, Murray, and to some extent, Walker, don't play with more purpose and aggression. They don't want to be as great as they can be. It's all mental.

Kawhi would be wasted here. Imagine Kawhi Leonard throwing to a wide-open Murray at the three, just for Dejounte to dribble into defenders, giving up the open look. And that's an everyday thing from both White and Murray. Just timid and scary at all times, constantly refusing open shots.

No one wants to play with that kind of bullshit when they have options.

This roster is an easy WCF with kawhi instead of demar :lmao put down the crack pipe :lmao

demar is such an unfathomable downgrade

[daslicer]

Yeah, you and I were the big Kyle fans back when... :lol And I liked Simmons, too. I called them Spurs TNG. I missed those calls a wee bit :lol

At this point, as long as Pop is still a part of the Spurs' organization, there simply isn't a compelling reason to speculate. These last two seasons (especially this one) have just ground me down. The team has already hung on to both Dumbmar and LMA past their sell-by dates, so it will never get any value for them; and Bryn will be a fixture as long as the Old Asshole holds sway.

I don't think the young guys are over-rated by you or others (myself, included). I think Pop is just throttling them, neutering them and misusing them. That, too, will prevail as long as the "stars" are around. I can only generate energy to think about the team's future when I am excited about the team. I simply can't get excited about this dud.

I view the current spurs situation is the equivalent of someone who is an alcoholic but hasn't hit rock bottom yet along with refusing to seek AA recovery. Spurs will hit rock bottom I think when they miss the playoffs this year but they can't have a recovery until Pop leaves along with Demar,LMA.

[sasaint]

I view the current spurs situation is the equivalent of someone who is an alcoholic but hasn't hit rock bottom yet along with refusing to seek AA recovery. Spurs will hit rock bottom I think when they miss the playoffs this year but they can't have a recovery until Pop leaves along with Demar,LMA.

If Pop doesn't leave this post-season, then by definition, we have not hit rock bottom yet.

[daslicer]

If Pop doesn't leave this post-season, then by definition, we have not hit rock bottom yet.

I think missing the playoffs is rock bottom but I feel if Pop stays it's pretty much the equivalent of the alcoholic dying.

[Sugus]

I think missing the playoffs is rock bottom but I feel if Pop stays it's pretty much the equivalent of the alcoholic dying.

The alcoholic dying would be a much too permanent condition. It's more like he gets a one-year, all-you-can-drink gift card from Budweiser.

[tmtcsc]

What?! You are arguing that the players that PATFO chose to complement Leonard don't compete, don't hate to lose and are happy to collect checks...

That's exactly my contention. Yes.


no, it's all about Pop

He is definitely responsible for the failure we're seeing on the floor. His stubbornness when it comes to rotations is easily his biggest fault. Just once, I'd like a reporter ask Pop if he believes "competitiveness" can be coached. This team takes losing way too easy & there isn't one winner on the roster.

[monty4329]

This is "the future" of Spurs? Lonnie against the Kings :lmao

And people on ST blame Forbes....

[Slippy]

Still triggered by fellow spurs fans and Lonnie. Haha

Focusing on the 21yo rook who has the shortest leash . You used to have good takes . They all seem redundant and have gone to shit.

Let the fanatism go

[DJR210]

Yeah, it's not some cool and collected thing on his part. My guess is that Pop is in his ear telling Lonnie to be three-and-D, and it makes Walker hesitate on any shot other than the corner-three. In reality, Pop needs to run plays for Walker, because with Gay and White on the court, the offense won't naturally allow for a third ball-handler. Lonnie definitely presses when he gets the ball. He's not going to ruin the possession running into a brick wall, but he will try to exploit any crease he finds with no real ability to finish. If he got more plays called for him, not only would he be better in situations where he has the ball and needs to attack, but he'd be less likely to try to attack just to get a touch.

Yeah, I believe Lonnie hears Pop's voice every time he touches the ball.. If his first couple shots don't fall he's gonna have a shit game. One of these young players we draft or drafted needs to have a willingness to be "the man" and it just seems like a bunch of wimps deferring to vets

[duncan2k5]

Yeah, I believe Lonnie hears Pop's voice every time he touches the ball.. If his first couple shots don't fall he's gonna have a shit game. One of these young players we draft or drafted needs to have a willingness to be "the man" and it just seems like a bunch of wimps deferring to vets

I watched one game where Lonnie checked in...fouled someone like a minute into the game, then started looking over at the bench to see if he was gonna get subbed...the kid is completely neutered...it's super sad to see

[SuperCam]

I tried to tell spurfan these young players are nothing special. career role players with no business starting on a title team. if this team was relying on them instead of LMA/DeFrozan the way other teams are relying on their rookie contract players, they would be at the bottom of the league with the knicks and hawks.

[look_at_g_shred]

I tried to tell spurfan these young players are nothing special. career role players with no business starting on a title team. if this team was relying on them instead of LMA/DeFrozan the way other teams are relying on their rookie contract players, they would be at the bottom of the league with the knicks and hawks.
We already at the bottom of the league lmfao

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/EricSal_7/status/1227433271585316865?s=19

[Collins21]

https://twitter.com/EricSal_7/status/1227433271585316865?s=19

That's fine but they wouldn't do that if both DeMar and Aldridge were gone like most people want. The reason the team looks better is because the team has went back to playing through Aldridge.

[FkLA]

That's fine but they wouldn't do that if both DeMar and Aldridge were gone like most people want. The reason the team looks better is because the team has went back to playing through Aldridge.

I'm not a DeRozan or LMA hater. I dont think either White or Murray can carry an offense for an entire season like those guys have throughout their careers.

The point of the tweet was that usage matters. It's not an excuse its just facts.

[R. DeMurre]

49 points, 17 rebounds, 11 rebounds and a W.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

https://twitter.com/EricSal_7/status/1227433271585316865?s=19

And of pop didn't have a fetish for forms and shitnelli the spurs probably go 2-0 with out derozan stunting the growth

[Collins21]

I'm not a DeRozan or LMA hater. I dont think either White or Murray can carry an offense for an entire season like those guys have throughout their careers.

The point of the tweet was that usage matters. It's not an excuse its just facts.

No get what you're saying but the dude who's tweet you used is a serious sniffer. H e sniffs Murray jock strap all day long but I agree they have talent and can play better than they have and I hope they do. I really want Derrick White to explode because I remember playing with him on the basketball courts of Aurora and dude could ball back then.

[FkLA]

No get what you're saying but the dude who's tweet you used is a serious sniffer. H e sniffs Murray jock strap all day long but I agree they have talent and can play better than they have and I hope they do. I really want Derrick White to explode because I remember playing with him on the basketball courts of Aurora and dude could ball back then.

Both sides are wrong.

Why hate on the young guys or blame the older stars when we have Brent Forms starting? DD, LMA, White, Murray, Lonnie are the five best players on the team. This should never be a young guys vs. older stars argument. They all need big minutes. These guys should be sharing the court often. Simplest way to do that is to throw Brent in the trash.

[duncan2k5]

That's fine but they wouldn't do that if both DeMar and Aldridge were gone like most people want. The reason the team looks better is because the team has went back to playing through Aldridge.

Whoever we would trade them for would be here...and would probably be a better more modern fit

[Collins21]

Whoever we would trade them for would be here...and would probably be a better more modern fit

I take nothing you say seriously.

[RC_Drunkford]

Both sides are wrong.

Why hate on the young guys or blame the older stars when we have Brent Forms starting? DD, LMA, White, Murray, Lonnie are the five best players on the team. This should never be a young guys vs. older stars argument. They all need big minutes. These guys should be sharing the court often. Simplest way to do that is to throw Brent in the trash.

this

[exstatic]

That's fine but they wouldn't do that if both DeMar and Aldridge were gone like most people want. The reason the team looks better is because the team has went back to playing through Aldridge.

Yup. LMA can easily set the table, and also score close in when DD is not playing. He plays MUCH better off of the triplets than off of DD, no matter who else is in there. When DD plays, LMA is ineffective if his long jumper isn't falling. He just checks out. There was one beautiful fast break where Derrick, with his head up, spotted LMA just burying his man on a seal in the paint, and DW put a perfect over the top pass right on the mark for a dunk. DD would have just kept dribbling into the paint.

[Prime BEEF]

Whoever we would trade them for would be here...and would probably be a better more modern fit
If the FO was competent enough to make good trades