Late night thoughts by DeMarre Carroll

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How is your thoughts different from ours?

[Skoobz]

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No one gets it fwiw tbh.

[Slippy]

Poor guy. What a fuking embarrassment for the spurs tbh.

Pop needs to explain it and own it. Or his puppet in Brian. Reporters have every right to ask why did you sign this guy if you never intended on playing him.

It's a legit question.

[Chillen]

I would try benching Jakob more and playing DeMarre instead. Might help this team at this point.

[Longlonglongtimelurk]

ive Always given Pop the benefit of the doubt up until this season. As fans we are emotional and passionate, we get high and low depending how the teams performing. No one here would have a true idea of the mindset of the locker room at any given time, win or lose.

in saying that, this season has been so hard to comprehend on so many different levels that you just can’t help but wonder how the players are feeling.. the Spurs don’t have the cattle to truly challenge yes but so many baffling decisions- and completely unpredictable. The Spurs are like a vault when it comes to keeping things in-house but I feel the goings on of this season may come to light once Pop calls it quits at seasons end.

[tbdog]

It's so puzzling. And we dealt with the Leonard show. It's prolonged too.

[UZER]

It's so puzzling. And we dealt with the Leonard show. It's prolonged too.

A few days ago, I said this was like the Kawhi situation but in reverse. You would think after having been through that, things would be different.

This is just more proof that it wasn’t all Kawhis fault as many, like myself, stated when it all went down. Pop has some real issues dealing with / handling players. Once you know that, it makes so much more sense why pets like Bonner, Mills, Forbes get so many underserved minutes. The dude has some real issues man.

[mo7888]

That sounds like we can't reach an agreement on a buyout to me. If that's the case we really should play him simply to establish that he can still play and increase his trade value this summer (even if we just increase it enough to move him for cap space).

[tbdog]

Spurs have contacts (and expirings) for a player like Beal next year.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs have contacts (and expirings) for a player like Beal next year.

shame they don't have a Bertans to throw in :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I feel sorry for DeMarre. I've watched him cheering from the sidelines, appearing, at least, to be a true team guy. Our FO signed him up, you would think he'd at least get a shot to prove himself, or, at the very least, that the team would have the decency to buy him out so he can possibly salvage his season/career.

Puzzling all the way around.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's a fucking disgrace. Pop is the coach and gets to decide who plays. But cut the man loose if you don't want him. If I was a FA, there's no possibility that I would take a chance on walking into this asylum.

[DPG21920]

timvp - thoughts on Carroll liking tweets with this strong of language and how SA is being viewed here?

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[Chinook]

Imagine Carroll is more liking the complimentary language toward him than the disparaging language toward the Spues. No SA shouldn't buy him out until next off-season at the earliest. Only was it makes sense is if DMC is willing to forego almost all of his remaining guaranteed money. I think the Spurs should be playing him behind DeRozan and starting Walker for Forbes. But the alternative to that isn't eating a whole bunch of dead cap to "do right" by a role-player.

[DPG21920]

Imagine Carroll is more liking the complimentary language toward him than the disparaging language toward the Spues. No SA shouldn't buy him out until next off-season at the earliest. Only was it makes sense is if DMC is willing to forego almost all of his remaining guaranteed money. I think the Spurs should be playing him behind DeRozan and starting Walker for Forbes. But the alternative to that isn't eating a whole bunch of dead cap to "do right" by a role-player.

In a bubble I agree, but for how SA has operated? They have given out loyalty deals, harmed the franchise (Pau) in the name of doing right. What they are doing to Carroll is wrong and it’s odd that they are now taking the hard line especially when a guy is being a pro unlike Kawhi/Iggy/others.

[Chinook]

In a bubble I agree, but for how SA has operated? They have given out loyalty deals, harmed the franchise (Pau) in the name of doing right. What they are doing to Carroll is wrong and it’s odd that they are now taking the hard line especially when a guy is being a pro unlike Kawhi/Iggy/others.

Pau wasn't a loyalty deal. It was the price of him opting out. Jefferson's deal was the same. The issue wasn't even really the compensation. It would've even been a useful albeit still-negative asset had the team not schlepped some of the guaranteed money into the final year. Had that just been a $38M/2 deal, the Spurs would've been done by now and still dodged the tax. Horrible planning for the FO for sure, but not a loyalty contract.

[DPG21920]

Pau wasn't a loyalty deal. It was the price of him opting out. Jefferson's deal was the same. The issue wasn't even really the compensation. It would've even been a useful albeit still-negative asset had the team not schlepped some of the guaranteed money into the final year. Had that just been a $38M/2 deal, the Spurs would've been done by now and still dodged the tax. Horrible planning for the FO for sure, but not a loyalty contract.

No, it was a loyalty deal in the context of them doing something really stupid and honoring that vs knowing it was bad for the team because they gave their word at the time. I am glad they did that too in context because that is what small franchises need to do.

Other teams I think would have said, look, sorry, this is unreasonable we will make sure you are made whole but not get pillaged by you (even after the fact)

[ZeusWillJudge]

Imagine Carroll is more liking the complimentary language toward him than the disparaging language toward the Spues. No SA shouldn't buy him out until next off-season at the earliest. Only was it makes sense is if DMC is willing to forego almost all of his remaining guaranteed money. I think the Spurs should be playing him behind DeRozan and starting Walker for Forbes. But the alternative to that isn't eating a whole bunch of dead cap to "do right" by a role-player.


LOL. That's the perfect righteous position to take... if you don't mind the message it sends to future FA's. Maybe they don't have any obligation to "do right" by a role-player. But fucking up the remainder of a man's career goes a bit beyond that. I gave PATFO the benefit of a doubt when it came to the handling of the whole Kawhi situation, and I blamed a lot of it on Uncle's bad influence. Shit like this makes me question that. I know it makes a lot of other people question whether SA is a desirable FA destination anymore.

At the very LEAST, committing that "dead cap" you talk about to a player who can't get any minutes is incompetence. (They did the same basic thing when they gave Gasol that big contract, but they gave him a big payoff - not the pittance you insist they should toss to Carroll. But that's a whole other story.) The way Pop handled the NT this summer was incompetence. The way he's handled rotations this year is incompetence. If I was trying to tear down a franchise, the plan would look a lot like this.

You can be as pompous as you want about Carroll, but don't think that other players in the league will see things the same way as you. They actually have skin in the game, and to anyone looking in from the outside, this place is a fucking dumpster fire. Hell, if I was a guy declaring for the draft, I would seriously hope the Spurs didn't call my name on draft night. But FA's have a choice. The team needs role players too. They aren't going to want to risk getting treated this way - not to mention the way YOU want to handle things -

[ZeusWillJudge]

In a bubble I agree, but for how SA has operated? They have given out loyalty deals, harmed the franchise (Pau) in the name of doing right. What they are doing to Carroll is wrong and it’s odd that they are now taking the hard line especially when a guy is being a pro unlike Kawhi/Iggy/others.

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Makes you wonder if something has changed, doesn't it?

[JeffDuncan]

Makes you wonder if something has changed, doesn't it?


Taking into account the sale of the Rampage, it would almost look like ownership has become sensitive on the subject of money.

[duncan2k5]

LOL. That's the perfect righteous position to take... if you don't mind the message it sends to future FA's. Maybe they don't have any obligation to "do right" by a role-player. But fucking up the remainder of a man's career goes a bit beyond that. I gave PATFO the benefit of a doubt when it came to the handling of the whole Kawhi situation, and I blamed a lot of it on Uncle's bad influence. Shit like this makes me question that. I know it makes a lot of other people question whether SA is a desirable FA destination anymore.

At the very LEAST, committing that "dead cap" you talk about to a player who can't get any minutes is incompetence. (They did the same basic thing when they gave Gasol that big contract, but they gave him a big payoff - not the pittance you insist they should toss to Carroll. But that's a whole other story.) The way Pop handled the NT this summer was incompetence. The way he's handled rotations this year is incompetence. If I was trying to tear down a franchise, the plan would look a lot like this.

You can be as pompous as you want about Carroll, but don't think that other players in the league will see things the same way as you. They actually have skin in the game, and to anyone looking in from the outside, this place is a fucking dumpster fire. Hell, if I was a guy declaring for the draft, I would seriously hope the Spurs didn't call my name on draft night. But FA's have a choice. The team needs role players too. They aren't going to want to risk getting treated this way - not to mention the way YOU want to handle things -

Exactly

[Larry O]

Man... this poor dude... I'm sure that he's frustrated & disappointed in how this season has gone down for him. And now, since the trading deadline has passed without being traded and no one seeming to have an interest in him, I'm sure that he & his agent are trying to figure out his options now... either cut ties with the Spurs & cross his fingers & hope that some contending team will have interest in him & sign him. Yeah, I'm sure that this has him all messed up in the head that Pop is refusing to play him for some reason & now at the same time, no other contending team is reaching out to utilize his services.

[Mugen]

An absolute mess of an organization. Timmy/Manu really covered up a lot of the garbage behind the scenes.

Sucks for Demarre, he's been a pro. Shame he's stuck with such a terrible coach and front office tbh.

[Mugen]

timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) - thoughts on Carroll liking tweets with this strong of language and how SA is being viewed here?

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:lol Ol Uncle LJ has gone dark besides the Game Grades unfortunately. I'm assuming it's hard coming to terms with just how bad his guy Pop has screwed over the franchise both short-term and long-term.

[DPG21920]

And I personally am not saying SA is evil or intentionally screwing him over. But the level of incompetence right now is staggering. He’s remaining a lot more professional than nearly any other play would be is the point and SA should do right by him.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I've said once and I'll say it again. The "edgelords" would have made better front office decisions the past 4 years than brian Wright

[Mugen]

You gotta think a bit of it is Pop being a vindictive dickhead for whatever reason tbh. Sure he's incompetent but obviously something personal happened and Pop is making sure to dole out his corporate punishment bullshit.

[JeffDuncan]

The way the Spurs treated Carroll, I hope he (with his agent or lawyer) is sticking to his guns about wanting the full $15 million that the Spurs guaranteed to pay him. Carroll will be 34 next season, close to the end of his career, with probably little chance of another substantial contract. That is probably the delay in the buyout, Carroll wants the full amount, and the Spurs are hoping to wear him down.

[HarlemHeat37]

He definitely might be washed as a player, but it's so strange that he hasn't been given a chance to contribute. When has being washed ever stopped Pop from playing somebody, anyways? Why did they even sign him in the first place? This is a below. 500 team, it's not like they couldn't change shit up to try something different.

Also, as somebody said earlier, he's mostly been a pro about this. You would think Pop would appreciate that after dealing with Aldridge and Kawhi demanding trades, but I guess not.

In all likelihood, Carroll probably blocked Forbes's shot in practice and is now in the doghouse.

[NASpurs]

He definitely might be washed as a player, but it's so strange that he hasn't been given a chance to contribute. When has being washed ever stopped Pop from playing somebody, anyways? Why did they even sign him in the first place? This is a below. 500 team, it's not like they couldn't change shit up to try something different.

Also, as somebody said earlier, he's mostly been a pro about this. You would think Pop would appreciate that after dealing with Aldridge and Kawhi demanding trades, but I guess not.

In all likelihood, Carroll probably blocked Forbes's shot in practice and is now in the doghouse.

:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

I've said once and I'll say it again. The "edgelords" would have made better front office decisions the past 4 years than brian Wright

absolutely. Not only that, but the edgelord committee would've probably had this team still at contender status.

I just hope at one point we get the whole story about Carroll. The media narrative is way too positive about Senilovich to the point where nobody questions him about anything. He's the worst coach in the NBA. The Team USA stuff was just the first crack in his legacy, I want him to fail at the olympics too. He needs to get exposed.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Dude goes from posting 10+ points a game last two seasons a d possible mentor here to shit on.

[RC_Drunkford]

timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) - thoughts on Carroll liking tweets with this strong of language and how SA is being viewed here?

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TimVP is one of us now :bobo

Welcome to the dark side

[SAGirl]

The way the Spurs treated Carroll, I hope he (with his agent or lawyer) is sticking to his guns about wanting the full $15 million that the Spurs guaranteed to pay him. Carroll will be 34 next season, close to the end of his career, with probably little chance of another substantial contract. That is probably the delay in the buyout, Carroll wants the full amount, and the Spurs are hoping to wear him down.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the last sentence. Spurs are hoping to wear him out.

[UncleDennis]

Joffrey Louvergne was allowed to wildly careen shot after shot for a year but DeMarre can't get 5 minutes? I hope someone can officially can explain this shit eventually. Did he show up in a maga hat or something lol

[FkLA]

In all likelihood, Carroll probably blocked Forbes's shot in practice and is now in the doghouse.

:lmao

[Robz4000]

In all likelihood, Carroll probably blocked Forbes's shot in practice and is now in the doghouse.

:lol what sucks is this is probably the awful truth

[SpurPadre]

What must have happened was that on the very first team practice, Carroll saw Forbes and loudly asked "What's this little G-league scrub doing here chucking?" and his fate as a Spur was forever sealed, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

I wonder what happened between the end of preseason and beginning of regular season. He played in 4 preseason games and averaged 16mpg. Then he's been pretty much DNP all season. I wonder if he scoffed the notion he had to earn minutes over players like Forbes and Lyles?

[KimmyGib]

Whatever it is, it must be something personal. When guys like Ayers, Cunningham, Forbes, and a number of washed up vets get frequent playing time with Pop, Carroll isn't even allowed the dignity to dress out and compete in garbage time, it's pretty telling. And if it were simply some kind of injury, surely that would've been revealed?

[slick'81]

Whatever it is, it must be something personal. When guys like Ayers, Cunningham, Forbes, and a number of washed up vets get frequent playing time with Pop, Carroll isn't even allowed the dignity to dress out and compete in garbage time, it's pretty telling. And if it were simply some kind of injury, surely that would've been revealed?


Spurs didnt pay this dude bertans money to dress in a suit. Def some shit went down between demarre and pop

[RC_Drunkford]

the most telling thing is that Pop prefers to play rookies over him. Pop never plays rookies

[KimmyGib]

Imagine if it actually did involve Forbes. Carroll was the only guy who had the nerve to tell Pop the team would improve with less Forbes. Not Becky, not Timmy, but Demarre Carroll. And so Pop banished him to NBA purgatory for it. Dude would be a SpursTalk legend.

[spurs10]

This is really curious why Carroll doesn't play. I'm sure they tried to move him, or were rumoured to have shopped him. I think he's been a real gentleman about it. If I were him I'd be thinking 'I'm making $2000 a minute sitting here, so things could be worse.' He's being paid about $85000 a game if his salary is $7 million for this season.

[Chinook]

No, it was a loyalty deal in the context

Nope. There's not a context in which that's a loyalty deal. A team promising a player a long-term deal if they opt out and them reneging on that after the player already opted out is essentially being a team version of Carlos Boozer or Marcus Morris. We all agree that they should not have even considered Pau opting out and re-signing as a viable way to get cap space. But the team not honoring their half of the deal after Pau did his half would have been WAAAAAAAY worse than anything they're "doing" to Carroll. Patty's deal that same year was arguably a loyalty contract. Maxing out Parker on his final extension despite him being in decline is an even better example of a loyalty contract. Pat Riley continuing to give Udonis Haslem contracts years after he stopped being an actual NBA player is a loyalty thing. Pau wasn't.

I think you remember the events like Pau opting out then holding the Spurs hostage on a contract. The reality seems to be that Pau and the Spurs agreed to $37-39 Million in compensation in exchange for him opting out of his final year at just over $16 Million. Had Paul signed, the team would have signed Gasol to a three-year deal starting at just over $12 Million with the understanding that he'd probably not really play that final year. Remember that this with the idea in mind that Aldridge would be traded without a guarantee of a viable big and with Gasol coming off what might have been his best season since his first three years in LA. It wasn't a horrible plan, and that's before even getting into that Leonard was very likely pressuring the front office to get a better second fiddle than Aldridge. The Spurs probably correctly saw their title window as just being two years rather than the rest of Leonard's career and were willing to sacrifice that third year to assemble as much talent as possible. Still should have just had Pau opted in, but I get it.

After that agreement, they were as locked in on the guaranteed money for Pau as they were on Morris after trading Bertans. Technically they could have backed out, but that wasn't the point to do it anymore. They should have just signed him for $19 Million per year and been done with it. It's not like Gasol would have minded. Despite what STers have said, the issue with Pau was never his APY. The team didn't need cap space. Pau didn't keep the Spurs from signing Dedmon or Simmons or anyone like that. It would have been paying Pau or not having him, and for the first two years, Gasol was very good for the team, and it's hindsight to think the team was better without him before he fell apart (though he did have exploitable flaws even when he was a strong net-positive). The real problem is that the Spurs have managed to carry dead cap space every year since 2016-2017. If they buy Carroll out, they'll be carrying it again for a sixth and seventh consecutive season (and a 10 consecutive season of paying dead money even if it's not on the cap sheet). It's a vicious cycle that will only end once the team stops giving partial guarantees to older players and take all of the money they pay guys on the relevant years.

That's one of a few reasons why they shouldn't be thinking about buying Carroll out now. I'm as critical of PATFO as any non-edgelord, but this cry of sympathy for him is ridiculous. He's getting paid to be on the roster, not to play however much he wants. He doesn't have a right to a buyout. If he wants one, he should make concessions for it, preferably huge ones. Fuck that dude. He's not Kunta Kinte. If he wants a different situation, I think PATFO would gladly tear up his deal and let him go. If he wants his money, then he should just sit his ass down and stop acting oppressed.

[spurraider21]

pop was starting dante cunningham last year. i dont want to hear about how carroll isn't good enough to sniff the rotation. i mean at least throw him out there for more than a 45 second shift and see what he can give

[Chinook]

pop was starting dante cunningham last year. i dont want to hear about how carroll isn't good enough to sniff the rotation. i mean at least throw him out there for more than a 45 second shift and see what he can give

Carroll has been horrible when he's played. Definitely worse than Cun starting out. But yeah, it's more than a little weird that Pop signed him without having any faith in DMC as a player. It wouldn't surprise me if DeMarre is up there for fewest minutes played by a non-injured vet in the Pop era. Like controlling for the fact that he was traded in the middle of his first season, even Theo Ratliff played more minutes than Carroll has so far.

[KimmyGib]

this cry of sympathy for him is ridiculous. ...If he wants his money, then he should just sit his ass down and stop acting oppressed.

Isn't that what he's been doing?

I was sympathetic toward Jeff Ayers, didn't mean I thought he was entitled to anything. Just felt bad for the guy. And for most fans, the sympathetic aspect isn't the point. We just want to see what Carroll's capable of now, considering his past skillset would've been something the Spurs really could've used this year. The team wasted the MLE on this guy and then refuses to play him. No garbage time, no nothing. Doesn't even dress out. Forbes starts, Bellineli gets lots of minutes -- hell, even the rookies are getting a little action -- but nothing at all, ever, for Demarre. Gives reason to believe this issue is something beyond him simply not being good enough. Further indication perhaps of the pattern of behavior we've been seeing in Pop (favoritism) getting worse all the time, to the detriment of the team.

[Chomag]

I wonder if Pop did the ask him if he thinks he is better then Forbes and say it in front of the team thing and he refused.

[FkLA]

IMO Demarre spoke up at some point, Pop snapped back telling him he's not better than Marco or Brent, Demarre stood up for himself.

Has anybody paid attention to the dynamic between Brent/Marco and Demarre? I've seen tweets from the Spurs page of him still being friendly with certain guys in shootaround. I also remember him interacting with guys on the bench when he was still dressing.

I haven't paid attention but I'm guessing there's gotta be tension between him and the scrubs getting minutes over him.

[tbdog]

Lots of speculation in here. If Pop had a grudge, I would assume Carroll's agent would have leaked something, anything, to support his player can still play.

[gambit1990]

but if demarre isn’t getting playing time because he’s so bad... then why did the spurs sign him? :lol

[SAGirl]

I wonder if Pop did the ask him if he thinks he is better then Forbes and say it in front of the team thing and he refused.
I definitely have wondered if something similar to this is going on.

[DPG21920]

Nope. There's not a context in which that's a loyalty deal. A team promising a player a long-term deal if they opt out and them reneging on that after the player already opted out is essentially being a team version of Carlos Boozer or Marcus Morris. We all agree that they should not have even considered Pau opting out and re-signing as a viable way to get cap space. But the team not honoring their half of the deal after Pau did his half would have been WAAAAAAAY worse than anything they're "doing" to Carroll. Patty's deal that same year was arguably a loyalty contract. Maxing out Parker on his final extension despite him being in decline is an even better example of a loyalty contract. Pat Riley continuing to give Udonis Haslem contracts years after he stopped being an actual NBA player is a loyalty thing. Pau wasn't.

I think you remember the events like Pau opting out then holding the Spurs hostage on a contract. The reality seems to be that Pau and the Spurs agreed to $37-39 Million in compensation in exchange for him opting out of his final year at just over $16 Million. Had Paul signed, the team would have signed Gasol to a three-year deal starting at just over $12 Million with the understanding that he'd probably not really play that final year. Remember that this with the idea in mind that Aldridge would be traded without a guarantee of a viable big and with Gasol coming off what might have been his best season since his first three years in LA. It wasn't a horrible plan, and that's before even getting into that Leonard was very likely pressuring the front office to get a better second fiddle than Aldridge. The Spurs probably correctly saw their title window as just being two years rather than the rest of Leonard's career and were willing to sacrifice that third year to assemble as much talent as possible. Still should have just had Pau opted in, but I get it.

After that agreement, they were as locked in on the guaranteed money for Pau as they were on Morris after trading Bertans. Technically they could have backed out, but that wasn't the point to do it anymore. They should have just signed him for $19 Million per year and been done with it. It's not like Gasol would have minded. Despite what STers have said, the issue with Pau was never his APY. The team didn't need cap space. Pau didn't keep the Spurs from signing Dedmon or Simmons or anyone like that. It would have been paying Pau or not having him, and for the first two years, Gasol was very good for the team, and it's hindsight to think the team was better without him before he fell apart (though he did have exploitable flaws even when he was a strong net-positive). The real problem is that the Spurs have managed to carry dead cap space every year since 2016-2017. If they buy Carroll out, they'll be carrying it again for a sixth and seventh consecutive season (and a 10 consecutive season of paying dead money even if it's not on the cap sheet). It's a vicious cycle that will only end once the team stops giving partial guarantees to older players and take all of the money they pay guys on the relevant years.

That's one of a few reasons why they shouldn't be thinking about buying Carroll out now. I'm as critical of PATFO as any non-edgelord, but this cry of sympathy for him is ridiculous. He's getting paid to be on the roster, not to play however much he wants. He doesn't have a right to a buyout. If he wants one, he should make concessions for it, preferably huge ones. Fuck that dude. He's not Kunta Kinte. If he wants a different situation, I think PATFO would gladly tear up his deal and let him go. If he wants his money, then he should just sit his ass down and stop acting oppressed.

Also, read what I wrote again and how I wrote it. I purposely separated Pau from loyalty contracts for this reason. I did include Pau specifically to make a point about SA doing right by players in all facets however.

[palangi]

The scary thing is we won't get another free agent as long as pop isa here. This stuff gets around and other players will steer clear

[Chinook]

LOL. That's the perfect righteous position to take... if you don't mind the message it sends to future FA's. Maybe they don't have any obligation to "do right" by a role-player. But fucking up the remainder of a man's career goes a bit beyond that. I gave PATFO the benefit of a doubt when it came to the handling of the whole Kawhi situation, and I blamed a lot of it on Uncle's bad influence. Shit like this makes me question that. I know it makes a lot of other people question whether SA is a desirable FA destination anymore.

Sorry, I missed all this. The Spurs aren't messing up Carroll's career by not waiving him. They're paying him to have the right to sit or use him. If he wants to break his contract, I think the Spurs would be fine. But no one outside of some people on ST think the "right thing to do" is to release him without a drastic buyout. The closest thing to this type of waiving we've seen would probably be Josh Smith several years ago. It's not common at all. Even waiving a vet outside of their final year is abnormal. It happened with Pau, maybe Kevin Martin and Josh Bibby. There are probably others, but all three of those required buyouts, with Bibby agreeing to forgo his entire final year's salary.


At the very LEAST, committing that "dead cap" you talk about to a player who can't get any minutes is incompetence. (They did the same basic thing when they gave Gasol that big contract, but they gave him a big payoff - not the pittance you insist they should toss to Carroll. But that's a whole other story.) The way Pop handled the NT this summer was incompetence. The way he's handled rotations this year is incompetence. If I was trying to tear down a franchise, the plan would look a lot like this.

The commitment to the cap for Carroll was brute incompetence. We all agree there. We already agree about the rotations. But releasing Carroll this season would be very different than what happened with Pau, who's final year was almost certainly always a fake year like Duncan's final year, McDyess' final year and so on. Carroll's third year is pretty similar, but his second year is definitely a real year that they expected him to be on the team. If this were next year, I think we'd all be cool with Carroll just giving up the standard prorated min that most buyout guys get.


You can be as pompous as you want about Carroll, but don't think that other players in the league will see things the same way as you. They actually have skin in the game, and to anyone looking in from the outside, this place is a fucking dumpster fire. Hell, if I was a guy declaring for the draft, I would seriously hope the Spurs didn't call my name on draft night. But FA's have a choice. The team needs role players too. They aren't going to want to risk getting treated this way - not to mention the way YOU want to handle things -

It doesn't matter if players like it or not. Iggy just got a bunch of money to do nothing but badmouth the team paying him and got rewarded with even more money. There's no sense of fairness here. It's not pomposity to say a guy has to give up most of his guaranteed money to get a buyout. It's actually standard, insofar as there can be a standard. Do I think people are weirded out by the Spurs not playing Carroll? Yes. As I said, we ALL are weirded out by it. But that doesn't mean people think like you do. I don't anticipate the Spurs not releasing Carroll without a buyout to hurt the Spurs with free agents at all. They have much bigger problems that will prevent old ring-chasers from signing with them in the future.

[sasaint]

Sorry, I missed all this. The Spurs aren't messing up Carroll's career by not waiving him. They're paying him to have the right to sit or use him. If he wants to break his contract, I think the Spurs would be fine. But no one outside of some people on ST think the "right thing to do" is to release him without a drastic buyout. The closest thing to this type of waiving we've seen would probably be Josh Smith several years ago. It's not common at all. Even waiving a vet outside of their final year is abnormal. It happened with Pau, maybe Kevin Martin and Josh Bibby. There are probably others, but all three of those required buyouts, with Bibby agreeing to forgo his entire final year's salary.



The commitment to the cap for Carroll was brute incompetence. We all agree there. We already agree about the rotations. But releasing Carroll this season would be very different than what happened with Pau, who's final year was almost certainly always a fake year like Duncan's final year, McDyess' final year and so on. Carroll's third year is pretty similar, but his second year is definitely a real year that they expected him to be on the team. If this were next year, I think we'd all be cool with Carroll just giving up the standard prorated min that most buyout guys get.



It doesn't matter if players like it or not. Iggy just got a bunch of money to do nothing but badmouth the team paying him and got rewarded with even more money. There's no sense of fairness here. It's not pomposity to say a guy has to give up most of his guaranteed money to get a buyout. It's actually standard, insofar as there can be a standard. Do I think people are weirded out by the Spurs not playing Carroll? Yes. As I said, we ALL are weirded out by it. But that doesn't mean people think like you do. I don't anticipate the Spurs not releasing Carroll without a buyout to hurt the Spurs with free agents at all. They have much bigger problems that will prevent old ring-chasers from signing with them in the future.

Old ring-chasers sign with teams that, you know, have a chance to ring. That won't be the Spurs for a long time. The issue is the class of FAs a team in our position needs and would like to sign. We want to have a shot at some solid rotation guys or young up-and-comers to join the team for the long haul. With the Old Asshole around running rotations like only he can, and screwing Carroll, the Spurs will never attract any FA we want or need. Up until the last three seasons, we were good enough that signing an old ring-chaser was something that could bolster the roster for a short-term shot in the arm. We need to focus on a completely different type of player now, and those guys will go ANYWHERE else.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[timtonymanu]

Pop’s “fall in line” philosophy is just too outdated for being a coach in today’s NBA.

He has these guys playing like robots out there and everyone is just tuning him out. Seems like there’s lowkey friction between Rudy and pop too.

[SpurSpike]

Pop’s “fall in line” philosophy is just too outdated for being a coach in today’s NBA.

He has these guys playing like robots out there and everyone is just tuning him out. Seems like there’s lowkey friction between Rudy and pop too.

Iv noticed that as well.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop’s “fall in line” philosophy is just too outdated for being a coach in today’s NBA.

He has these guys playing like robots out there and everyone is just tuning him out. Seems like there’s lowkey friction between Rudy and pop too.

good. We need to get more people calling out Senilovich. A mutiny by the players would be great

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

but if demarre isn’t getting playing time because he’s so bad... then why did the spurs sign him? :lol

True. And it's not like we're trotting a bunch of rock stars out there every night. They say most new Spurs need a year to acclimate to the system. Carroll didn't even get 20 games.

[Chinook]

Old ring-chasers sign with teams that, you know, have a chance to ring. That won't be the Spurs for a long time. The issue is the class of FAs a team in our position needs and would like to sign. We want to have a shot at some solid rotation guys or young up-and-comers to join the team for the long haul. With the Old Asshole around running rotations like only he can, and screwing Carroll, the Spurs will never attract any FA we want or need. Up until the last three seasons, we were good enough that signing an old ring-chaser was something that could bolster the roster for a short-term shot in the arm. We need to focus on a completely different type of player now, and those guys will go ANYWHERE else.


The Spurs aren't "screwing Carroll" by not playing him. It's weird and doesn't make sense, but they are paying him, likely more than anyone else would be paying him. That he's apparently in the dog house isn't automatically everyone's fault but his, and if he has the stance that he should be released just so he can pick his club and get his money too, then the Spurs absolutely should hold onto him. Carroll isn't getting minutes so someone like Trey Lyles can. "Up-and-comers" are much more likely to look at Lyles' starting spot more than DMC's DNP-CDs. The Spurs are giving a dude a chance despite signing him late in free agency, despite his bad history and despite them having already signed two guys at his position just days before. If anything, the Walker situation would be the bigger issue.

[TD 21]

The bottom line is, it's a bad look for the organization. He's clearly in decline, but whether he's still a useful player can't be determined in 135 scattered minutes on this sinking ship.

Sure, they offered him the best contract, but that doesn't give them the right to banish him to exile like they have and as a credible veteran player, who's been around, don't think this is going unnoticed around the league.

He also has a history of being outspoken and I hope he calls out this organization publicly when this latest saga is over . . . it's the old story about being the common denominator. At some point, when you have this many issues, you need to look in the mirror.

[Joseph Kony]

I usually agree with most of Chinook's takes but man he is sniffing hard on this one :lol

[sasaint]

The Spurs aren't "screwing Carroll" by not playing him. It's weird and doesn't make sense, but they are paying him, likely more than anyone else would be paying him. That he's apparently in the dog house isn't automatically everyone's fault but his, and if he has the stance that he should be released just so he can pick his club and get his money too, then the Spurs absolutely should hold onto him. Carroll isn't getting minutes so someone like Trey Lyles can. "Up-and-comers" are much more likely to look at Lyles' starting spot more than DMC's DNP-CDs. The Spurs are giving a dude a chance despite signing him late in free agency, despite his bad history and despite them having already signed two guys at his position just days before. If anything, the Walker situation would be the bigger issue.

I don't pretend to know what's behind the weirdness, but I admit I have been laboring under the assumption that the Spurs and Demarre could reach a reasonable, mutually agreeable buyout. Maybe that's just a wrong assumption. And yeah, if I were a PATFO apologist, I might be inclined to view the situation in the light most favorable to the Old Asshole; maybe Carroll is perfectly happy to make unreasonable buy-out demands and accept paychecks and DNPs because he knows he is washed. That's about as likely as anything in this mondo bizarro.

I do not think this season in all of its facets will induce the kind of FAs we need to sign here.

[KimmyGib]

It's kind of strange how in Pop's personal ideology, there's such a strong opposition to the idea of the rigid old white man with too much influence being in power too long. Time to look in the mirror old man.

[TDMVPDPOY]

giving pop the benefit of the doubt, still living on reputation of 5 rings,

hasnt done shit since duncan retire
hasnt done shit since kawhi left
hasnt done shit when given team usa
hasnt done shit now
looks like he doesnt give a shit

[RC_Drunkford]

It's kind of strange how in Pop's personal ideology, there's such a strong opposition to the idea of the rigid old white man with too much influence being in power too long. Time to look in the mirror old man.

this 100%

[Chinook]

I don't pretend to know what's behind the weirdness, but I admit I have been laboring under the assumption that the Spurs and Demarre could reach a reasonable, mutually agreeable buyout. Maybe that's just a wrong assumption. And yeah, if I were a PATFO apologist, I might be inclined to view the situation in the light most favorable to the Old Asshole; maybe Carroll is perfectly happy to make unreasonable buy-out demands and accept paychecks and DNPs because he knows he is washed. That's about as likely as anything in this mondo bizarro.

I do not think this season in all of its facets will induce the kind of FAs we need to sign here.

I don't disagree. The Spurs might be the least attractive team in the league to sign with right now. Maybe Cleveland, Orlando and Detroit are worse, but it's not by a ton. The Spurs desperately needed Murray to develop into a star and be an ambassador to the new crop of players. Even if Becky seems like she'll be a good coach, I don't think she'll be a draw for players to sign up. As crazy as it might have seemed a couple of years ago, I think the Spurs are going to have to rebuild their whole brand. Without a legit star (meaning not just some high-lottery pick), that's going to take some time. So long as they have money to offer, someone will take it. They just need to make sure that they sign guys who can actually fit into their new culture.

[sasaint]

I don't disagree. The Spurs might be the least attractive team in the league to sign with right now. Maybe Cleveland, Orlando and Detroit are worse, but it's not by a ton. The Spurs desperately needed Murray to develop into a star and be an ambassador to the new crop of players. Even if Becky seems like she'll be a good coach, I don't think she'll be a draw for players to sign up. As crazy as it might have seemed a couple of years ago, I think the Spurs are going to have to rebuild their whole brand. Without a legit star (meaning not just some high-lottery pick), that's going to take some time. So long as they have money to offer, someone will take it. They just need to make sure that they sign guys who can actually fit into their new culture.

Yeah, the culture is not just dead, but moldering in the grave. I expressed concerns about that even during Tim's last season. But now they will have to start from scratch. They have to start with an entire new regime - one that can hopefully retain some connection with the great heritage of the Spurs while setting a fresh new course. They need Bud (and possibly Sean Marks) desperately, but I cannot imagine either of those guys returning to this corpse. They need a great - as well as - charismatic new leader to resurrect and re-brand the corpse. Until then the maggots will feed.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, the culture is not just dead, but moldering in the grave. I expressed concerns about that even during Tim's last season. But now they will have to start from scratch. They have to start with an entire new regime - one that can hopefully retain some connection with the great heritage of the Spurs while setting a fresh new course. They need Bud (and possibly Sean Marks) desperately, but I cannot imagine either of those guys returning to this corpse. They need a great - as well as - charismatic new leader to resurrect and re-brand the corpse. Until then the maggots will feed.

I been saying since 2017 that this franchise needs a change of culture. The question is what kind of culture should that be?

[Genovaswitness]

I been saying since 2017 that this franchise needs a change of culture. The question is what kind of culture should that be?

could've had a great head start establishing culture had they given uncle dennis a little of what he wanted and outright offered kawhi the super max :toast

[ZeusWillJudge]

I been saying since 2017 that this franchise needs a change of culture. The question is what kind of culture should that be?


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[exstatic]

Yeah, the culture is not just dead, but moldering in the grave. I expressed concerns about that even during Tim's last season. But now they will have to start from scratch. They have to start with an entire new regime - one that can hopefully retain some connection with the great heritage of the Spurs while setting a fresh new course. They need Bud (and possibly Sean Marks) desperately, but I cannot imagine either of those guys returning to this corpse. They need a great - as well as - charismatic new leader to resurrect and re-brand the corpse. Until then the maggots will feed.

Philly is struggling, and Embiid supposedly asked out. If that happens, I can't imagine Bret Brown being retained. He would be a good "get".

[RC_Drunkford]

Philly is struggling, and Embiid supposedly asked out. If that happens, I can't imagine Bret Brown being retained. He would be a good "get".

Embiid didn't ask out, but do you know who would increase the chances of landing him dramatically? Bill Self...

[sasaint]

Philly is struggling, and Embiid supposedly asked out. If that happens, I can't imagine Bret Brown being retained. He would be a good "get".

Of course Bud would be first choice, but Bret would be next in line, perhaps. :tu

I hadn't heard that Embiid asked out...

[UZER]

https://youtu.be/4cXN-wqOfuk

Nick Nurse Says hi


Nick Nurse DOING SHIT SINCE KAWHI LEFT
Nick Nurse DOING SHIT WITH CANADA NATIONAL TEAM
Nick Nurse HAS THE RAPS ON 15 GAME WIN STREAK WITH MANY INJURIES
Nick Nurse GIVES A SHIT

I've said it before pop has nothing to appease but his OWN AESTHETIC about LIFE, Politics, Food, Wine and HOW BASKETBALL NEEDS TO BE PLAYED.
Those not jibbing with aesthetic in the San Antonio Town, don't last long.



“But but but who you gonna get to replace Pop?” :cry


Pop wasn’t a HOF Head Coach Pop when he first got hired. He was just a guy that had some experience. The dude almost got fired with Tim and David on his team!!


Nick Nurse is a perfect example of a young hungry head coach that can immediately make an impact.

[UZER]

If Nick Nurse had Carroll on his team this year, He would have found him playing time. /THREAD

All these dudes on here all the time saying, “Well then who you gonna get? Who who who? I want names. Give me names.” :lol

The point is, you don’t have to replace a HOF coach with another HOF. It’s just time for Pop to go because he’s gone stale and is defiantly not putting the best team on the floor because he answers to no one.

Everyone gets old, it’s not a crime. But when it starts hurting the product on the floor, it’s time for a change. Get someone who wants to win. If he doesn’t work, move on to the the next guy.

[sasaint]

All these dudes on here all the time saying, “Well then who you gonna get? Who who who? I want names. Give me names.” :lol

The point is, you don’t have to replace a HOF coach with another HOF? It’s just time for Pop to go because he’s gone stale and is defiantly not putting the best team on the floor because he answers to no one.

Everyone gets old, it’s not a crime. But when it starts hurting the product on the floor, it’s time for a change. Get someone who wants to win. If he doesn’t work, move on to the the next guy.

I don't follow other teams closely enough to make any recommendations, however, I agree that somewhere in the basketball universe there are some HOF coaches in the making. The Spurs need to do their homework, identify somebody who looks like a winner awaiting the opportunity and give the guy the opportunity.

[SAGirl]

https://youtu.be/4cXN-wqOfuk

Nick Nurse Says hi


Nick Nurse DOING SHIT SINCE KAWHI LEFT
Nick Nurse DOING SHIT WITH CANADA NATIONAL TEAM
Nick Nurse HAS THE RAPS ON 15 GAME WIN STREAK WITH MANY INJURIES
Nick Nurse GIVES A SHIT

I've said it before pop has nothing to appease but his OWN AESTHETIC about LIFE, Politics, Food, Wine and HOW BASKETBALL NEEDS TO BE PLAYED.
Those not jibbing with aesthetic in the San Antonio Town, don't last long.
Wow. I had forgotten about this. Yup they are doing pretty fine after both Kawhi and Danny left. May not win a title but they are fine. Plus credit to their FO as well.

[SAGirl]

“But but but who you gonna get to replace Pop?” :cry


Pop wasn’t a HOF Head Coach Pop when he first got hired. He was just a guy that had some experience. The dude almost got fired with Tim and David on his team!!


Nick Nurse is a perfect example of a young hungry head coach that can immediately make an impact.
Plus, I don't want to spoil them bc I like them, but the Grizzlies coach is 35 years old and has the youngest team in the league playoff bound if they continue current trajectory. Credit to their FO as well.

[LCM]

I think the Grizzlies coach was the coach in Austin when they won their 1st G League title in 2012. If Brown is let go because the 76ers under perform in the playoffs, scoop him up. Allow Pop to walk, if he won't then show him the door. Move Becky to HC, Brown takes 2nd chair, move Ahern up from Austin, and then ask permission of Milwaukee to hire Chad Forcier back to SA. Let Hardy find another job, I'm not impressed with him. Allow TD to go back to helping at the facility with player development.

Brent Berry becomes President of player personnel. My first act would be to let Wright walk, victim of wrong place wrong time. I'd try to hire Trajon Langdon as my GM. But if I cant, I look at the assistant GM's of Miami, OKC, Utah, Denver, and Toronto. Find the best one and make an offer.

There is room to maneuver if you make plans and communicate with the right people. Miami remade its team from something that people thought would barely make the playoffs into a real threat to be in the EC Finals with no outstanding draft pick and firmly in cap hell. They drafted smart, found unexpected cheap FA G League talent, developed home grown players, made smart trades. And don't tell me Pat Riley has more to prove then Pop ... Pop has lost his edge. He lost it with the confetti falling on him as he sat alone rubbing his head on the bench after they won the title in 2014.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant find a coach to replace pop? the bar for pop now is 38wins..u telling some noob coach cant match that?

[sasaint]

I think the Grizzlies coach was the coach in Austin when they won their 1st G League title in 2012. If Brown is let go because the 76ers under perform in the playoffs, scoop him up. Allow Pop to walk, if he won't then show him the door. Move Becky to HC, Brown takes 2nd chair, move Ahern up from Austin, and then ask permission of Milwaukee to hire Chad Forcier back to SA. Let Hardy find another job, I'm not impressed with him. Allow TD to go back to helping at the facility with player development.

Brent Berry becomes President of player personnel. My first act would be to let Wright walk, victim of wrong place wrong time. I'd try to hire Trajon Langdon as my GM. But if I cant, I look at the assistant GM's of Miami, OKC, Utah, Denver, and Toronto. Find the best one and make an offer.

There is room to maneuver if you make plans and communicate with the right people. Miami remade its team from something that people thought would barely make the playoffs into a real threat to be in the EC Finals with no outstanding draft pick and firmly in cap hell. They drafted smart, found unexpected cheap FA G League talent, developed home grown players, made smart trades. And don't tell me Pat Riley has more to prove then Pop ... Pop has lost his edge. He lost it with the confetti falling on him as he sat alone rubbing his head on the bench after they won the title in 2014.

Doubt Forcier would leave Milwaukee for this dumpster fire. But I agree especially with Miami and OKC being good places to look for FO talent.

[exstatic]

I think the Grizzlies coach was the coach in Austin when they won their 1st G League title in 2012. If Brown is let go because the 76ers under perform in the playoffs, scoop him up. Allow Pop to walk, if he won't then show him the door. Move Becky to HC, Brown takes 2nd chair, move Ahern up from Austin, and then ask permission of Milwaukee to hire Chad Forcier back to SA. Let Hardy find another job, I'm not impressed with him. Allow TD to go back to helping at the facility with player development.

Brent Berry becomes President of player personnel. My first act would be to let Wright walk, victim of wrong place wrong time. I'd try to hire Trajon Langdon as my GM. But if I cant, I look at the assistant GM's of Miami, OKC, Utah, Denver, and Toronto. Find the best one and make an offer.

There is room to maneuver if you make plans and communicate with the right people. Miami remade its team from something that people thought would barely make the playoffs into a real threat to be in the EC Finals with no outstanding draft pick and firmly in cap hell. They drafted smart, found unexpected cheap FA G League talent, developed home grown players, made smart trades. And don't tell me Pat Riley has more to prove then Pop ... Pop has lost his edge. He lost it with the confetti falling on him as he sat alone rubbing his head on the bench after they won the title in 2014.

Bret Brown isn’t coming back to sit second chair. He’s an experienced NBA HC, and if he’s let go, will be paid out over his remaining contract. That will allow him time to look for a HC gig.

[Coach X]

Speaking about Popovich substitutes, any other season Spurs had the answer at home. Except this season. I don't see Hammon as a Head Coach yet. I'd rather sign an experienced NBA coach with some Spurs roots.

Brett Brown is not great IMO. I never liked his job with Australian NT, nor his Sixers team.

There are plenty of good coaches in the league and outside the league. Surely Spurs can find a good candidate, I believe the San Antonio Spurs Spurs is a much more attractive club for coaches than what it is for players. Culture matters.

[exstatic]

Speaking about Popovich substitutes, any other season Spurs had the answer at home. Except this season. I don't see Hammon as a Head Coach yet. I'd rather sign an experienced NBA coach with some Spurs roots.

Brett Brown is not great IMO. I never liked his job with Australian NT, nor his Sixers team.

There are plenty of good coaches in the league and outside the league. Surely Spurs can find a good candidate, I believe the San Antonio Spurs Spurs is a much more attractive club for coaches than what it is for players. Culture matters.

I think the Spurs would be happy to be where Philly is now. With their 'process' that took five years and the incineration of their franchise, their expectations are a bit higher than ours.

Just curious what you expected from the AU NT, a medal? That was never going to happen. Many other countries have far more NBA players than AU. If you're really looking for an under performing team, look no further than our northern neighbor.

[SAGirl]

For underperforming teams he doesn't have to go too far. He can just look at the Spurs or the USA NT over the summer. The wheels came off.

[Genovaswitness]

would never cheer against the US in the Olympics but silver lining to us losing would be for the world to see what a fraudulent POS poop is

[Prime BEEF]

would never cheer against the US in the Olympics but silver lining to us losing would be for the world to see what a fraudulent POS poop is
I think many are seeing that now. This spurs team is awful and has established (media wise) players like DDR and LMA. So the narrative on pop has collapsed. The olympics would just be another data point.

when pop comes back and coaches next year it will just seal his fate. All next season the media will be like wth

[Dverde]

If this team was coached by committee it would have five more wins.

[Rummpd]

Senile and stubborn coach is an understatement

[TD 21]

Nick Nurse Says hi


Nick Nurse DOING SHIT SINCE KAWHI LEFT
Nick Nurse DOING SHIT WITH CANADA NATIONAL TEAM
Nick Nurse HAS THE RAPS ON 15 GAME WIN STREAK WITH MANY INJURIES
Nick Nurse GIVES A SHIT

I've said it before pop has nothing to appease but his OWN AESTHETIC about LIFE, Politics, Food, Wine and HOW BASKETBALL NEEDS TO BE PLAYED.
Those not jibbing with aesthetic in the San Antonio Town, don't last long.



“But but but who you gonna get to replace Pop?” :cry



Pop wasn’t a HOF Head Coach Pop when he first got hired. He was just a guy that had some experience. The dude almost got fired with Tim and David on his team!!


Nick Nurse is a perfect example of a young hungry head coach that can immediately make an impact.



:lmao
In this homogenized/player "empowerment" era, "systems" are a thing of the past. It's all about personnel.

You think the latest great white hope Nurse had a "system" last year? They too played ISO ball with Scumbag because at the highest levels, that's how this sport works. The best players dictate the terms and the coaches are glorified bystanders.



:lmao
Nurse is the latest flavor of the month, great white hope media creation (since he buddied up to some of the big wigs, which helped his unethical ass steal Casey's job).

Every time some team that plays the media game rises to prominence, they crown them and brainwash the gullible masses into thinking they've discovered some secret sauce, when the truth is the majority of this is luck.

There's no greater example than them. They've fall ass backwards into an athletic, 3 and D wing/guard loaded roster, that has good chemistry and has become greater than the sum of their parts. He's the lucky beneficiary of not having to make difficult (offense/defense, big/small) decisions.

[Proxy]

when will some of you guys take responsibility for not having a backup hobby besides watching a basketball team? On yall tbh, you had a good 20 years to prepare that shit

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[koriwhat]

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yeah it's got to be frustrating to just sit there even though he is collecting a check for nothing. i'd be pissed too knowing i could help out but never really getting any burn as a vet.

[EasyMoney]

I don't understand why you would sign him if there were guys ahead of him in the rotation. He literally can't play garbage time too when he's active. Truly pathetic.

[UZER]

None of y’all have coached an NBA team. Pop knows all and all his ways are supreme. In fact, he is a supreme being. Carroll deserves to rot on the bench because Pop says so.

[TD 21]

"Just didn't jell" with the genius on court, is code for he thinks he's a low IQ player. This was obvious early on, when he went out of his way to compliment Lyles' IQ.

That begs the question, why was he signed in the first place then? It's not like he was wasn't a known commodity. It either speaks to front office dysfunction or the extent and longevity of the genius being out of touch.

[weeks]

1st, fuck pop if he did indeed let some personal power trip affect the team's performance or trade value of an asset
2nd, isn't it gel??
3rd, if Carroll was so low iq then why the fuck was he signed in the first place - to 3 years

[Gorepopovich]

Sad... and ugly. :nope

[pad300]

I'm not sure that I believe that it's a b-ball thing at all (low b-ball IQ seems a bit of an excuse with some of the people we have played over the years...). "Just didn't jell" sounds a lot more like personalities - did Demarre wear a MAGA hat to practice one day?

[Slippy]

"Just didn't jell" with the genius on court, is code for he thinks he's a low IQ player. This was obvious early on, when he went out of his way to compliment Lyles' IQ.

That begs the question, why was he signed in the first place then? It's not like he was wasn't a known commodity. It either speaks to front office dysfunction or the extent and longevity of the genius being out of touch.

The dysfuntion would be more disconnet between the new Gm and coach who also doubles as the boss of the gm as president.

So we now know. Not surprised. In pop doghouse from get go. Why sign him?

Demarri not playing and his comments now isnt a good look for the spurs. Wtf is lord pops plan.

[cd021]

Man, this looks really bad on the Spurs part. He can still play but he can't because the coach and him don't "gel". Its not like he has a rep for being a headcase.

[cd021]

Spurs also nuked his trade value by not playing him. Teams think he's done because Pop isn't playing him but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the quality of his game but because of Pop's preferences.

[ginobilized]

Did the Spurs sign him to make sure the Lakers or Clippers didn't?

[cd021]

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Curious to see how much he'd be asked to give back. Also, Spurs better waive Belinelli too.

[timtonymanu]

This is why Pop needs to step down and sniffers gotta stop with the “5 rings” crap. Pop’s dictator style does not fly in today’s NBA and it’s not surprising anymore that no one wants to play here and we’re stuck with high character G League scrubs that “fall in line.” I won’t be surprised if majority of the young guys decide to pull a Nephew and bail on the team.

[K...]

This is why Pop needs to step down and sniffers gotta stop with the “5 rings” crap. Pop’s dictator style does not fly in today’s NBA and it’s not surprising anymore that no one wants to play here and we’re stuck with high character G League scrubs that “fall in line.” I won’t be surprised if majority of the young guys decide to pull a Nephew and bail on the team.

nobody is saying 5 rings at all. It's just that it's not worth jerry sloaning pop for fucking demarre carrol. It think Carroll was brought to be a mentor and to gell with derozan and LMA as a similar age player.

[timtonymanu]

nobody is saying 5 rings at all. It's just that it's not worth jerry sloaning pop for fucking demarre carrol. It think Carroll was brought to be a mentor and to gell with derozan and LMA as a similar age player.

It’s been going on before Carroll. If you don’t fall in line with Pop’s mind games and dictatorship, you’re out. Just look at the talent we’re left with now. All washed up vets and high culture g league scrubs that know how to follow orders.

[weeks]

It’s been going on before Carroll. If you don’t fall in line with Pop’s mind games and dictatorship, you’re out. Just look at the talent we’re left with now. All washed up vets and high culture g league scrubs that know how to follow orders.

Who's around to challenge pop? no one that i can see...becky is of course too respectful and deferential to a senior and a legend, and timmy aint the type we all know.
He knows his team sucks and he's just phoning it in

[Truth4sale$]

Who's around to challenge pop? no one that i can see...becky is of course too respectful and deferential to a senior and a legend, and timmy aint the type we all know.
He knows his team sucks and he's just phoning it in

I agree. Popovich does not have the veteran coach on his staff to sound off or be challenged. Ettore Messina is really missed, and would have been great to take over. Sometimes when you have unchecked power, you dont see the mistakes you make. I dont think the Carroll situation would not be as it is if Messina was here. If you could integrate Trey Lyles quickly, then Carroll could have been also. Check AND balances.

[BackHome]

Yeah Pop is a legend but he like Sloan tried to stay to long he can not relate to the #MeTo movement kids today he needs to retire. The thing that pisses me off I don’t think we have any plan of what we are going to to when the old goat hangs it up?

[K...]

It’s been going on before Carroll. If you don’t fall in line with Pop’s mind games and dictatorship, you’re out. Just look at the talent we’re left with now. All washed up vets and high culture g league scrubs that know how to follow orders.

Well, pop was Duncan, and you and most of the NBA respected Duncan. So anything pre 2016 is Duncan, because Duncan supported pop. If Duncan wanted to save a player they'd do it.

These days? I guess but the front office needs pop to sell tickets. Don't expect any killing of the golden cow until the cost becomes absolutely too high. So even if you think pop is harming the team, you can't expect any relief. The man will retire when he wants. Sometimes bad guys win.

[sasaint]

This is why Pop needs to step down and sniffers gotta stop with the “5 rings” crap. Pop’s dictator style does not fly in today’s NBA and it’s not surprising anymore that no one wants to play here and we’re stuck with high character G League scrubs that “fall in line.” I won’t be surprised if majority of the young guys decide to pull a Nephew and bail on the team.

I wish they'd stage a mutiny - individually or collectively pay a visit to RC. I know RC is only a figurehead, but such a mutiny would have to arouse the attention of ownership. Pop has got to go ASAP. I live with the increasing dread that the Old Asshole will actually reign through this draft and next season.

[r0drig0lac]

1229145163404075010

wow

[tbdog]

“Coach Pop is a great individual to me,” Carroll said. “Outside of basketball, we talk about family, all kinds of stuff. But with the basketball thing, we just didn’t jell.”

[Dverde]

Yeah Pop is a legend but he like Sloan tried to stay to long he can not relate to the #MeTo movement kids today he needs to retire. The thing that pisses me off I don’t think we have any plan of what we are going to to when the old goat hangs it up?

Not like he has people coaching by committee when he gets ejected...

[Prime BEEF]

I wish they'd stage a mutiny - individually or collectively pay a visit to RC. I know RC is only a figurehead, but such a mutiny would have to arouse the attention of ownership. Pop has got to go ASAP. I live with the increasing dread that the Old Asshole will actually reign through this draft and next season.
At a minimum, he’ll be here for the draft and all of next year IMO. And because of it the spurs will have a horrible draft and a horrible offseason. Hopefully pop doesn’t give out any huge long term contracts during the offseason so that the new coach can try and recover the team quicker.

[ragas]

Great guy, talking family and life but sabotaging your worth. Great Guy. I'm sure Poop doesn't know that not playing him is ruining his earning power. Great Guy Poop is innocent as a Reverend at Sunday sermon.

c‘mon. It‘s not the coaches job to make a player happy or to care about his worth. These guys are multimillionaires.

[djohn2oo8]

Carroll out there giving us rebound and hustle thanks y’all

[slick'81]

5 points and 2 boards,not bad for a halfs work

[djohn2oo8]

He definitely provides rebounding in the limited minutes he was in and boxing out

[ZeusWillJudge]

Carroll out there giving us rebound and hustle thanks y’all


LOL. Any smartass remark I would usually make I'm saving to direct at Pop. I'm glad the Rockets gave him minutes.

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah D’Antoni is going to wind up upping his minutes

[slick'81]

Not a bad 14 minites for demmarree

[phxspurfan]

Do we really need a DeMare Carroll tracker?

[SpurPadre]

5 points and 2 boards,not bad for a halfs work

That's like 4 more points than he had in 4 months with us lol.

[GAustex]

So how much of Holts money is paying for a dude to produce for the rockets by a dude who poop signed but then could not play for poop?
Can someone put a Holts$/rockets points per game ratio?

[sasaint]

I hope the guy goes wild for the Rockets. I'm gonna root for them in the POs now.

[phxspurfan]

https://youtu.be/2uqBMWDHtlQ

washed af

[slick'81]

I'll Keep trakin it


:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Do we really need a DeMare Carroll tracker?
yep, another patfo mistake

[team-work]

If D'Antoni who likes to play starters heavy minutes still finds a way to use him...

[RC_Drunkford]

https://youtu.be/KOX35L1dTzo

Carroll really looks as washed up as he looked on the Spurs when he played those few minutes he got

[EasyMoney]

That airball at the 55 second mark .. my goodness. How can one become so suddenly washed . He definitely didn't seem like this last year

[John B]

He was practically just standing there waiting for his free shot. It was justified not to play this guy, but a bonehead signing in the first place. And terrible moves by the FO as of late. One seems to wonder if the presence of Timmy made all the other moves looked "great." It could've been even more than 5 rings tbh. Hmmm :wakeup

[GAustex]

Broke down tin man can’t even jump no more and can barely run. Brick layer for a shot. Got no business playing in the premier league in the world. WTF Rockets?

Yet poop thought it would be a good idea to sign this broke down tin man who can’t jump and barely run who is a brick layer. Come on Holts this dude is pissing your money away. Fire the old demented drunk.

[EasyMoney]

Another dnp against the celtics.