San Antonio Debacle: Spurs and DeMarre Carroll Agree to Contract Buyout

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/demarre-carroll-buyout-san-antonio-spurs-debacle-woes/

tl;dr: Strange times we're living in, Spurs fans. This whole situation doesn't make sense, tbh.

[BatManu20]

Goodbye and good riddance. Never should’ve signed him to a 3-yr deal in the first place.

[joeyjfive]

What in the hell is going on?? Just a terrible move to sign him in the first place to that contract and then we don’t even move him at the deadline for anything at all. Now we get to keep paying him while he plays for another team.

[Russ]

If the Spurs had not signed Carroll could they have:

(1) Kept Bertans and still offered Morris what they did, and/or

(2) Offered Morris enough to actually sign him?

Any capologists out there?

Just curious.

[lmbebo]

welp, continuation of a F'd up summer. Spurs accomplished nothing in FA and gave away an asset....

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs had not signed Carroll could they have:

(1) Kept Bertans and still offered Morris what they did, and/or

(2) Offered Morris enough to actually sign him?

Any capologists out there?

Just curious.

Yes in theory to 1. Morris was “signed” with MLE so whether it was Carroll or Bertans they could have used that MLE on Morris.

However they already agreed to terms with Carroll using MLE so had to trade Bertans for Carroll functionally to re-open the MLE.

They could have reneged on Carroll and kept Bertans but they obviously wouldn’t do that.

[sasaint]

https://www.spurstalk.com/demarre-carroll-buyout-san-antonio-spurs-debacle-woes/

tl;dr: Strange times we're living in, Spurs fans. This whole situation doesn't make sense, tbh.

Lazy journalism to just end with a comment about a gulf existing between Pop and the front office. Last time I checked Pop was President of the Whole Enchilada. If there is greater autonomy within the front office, then that should be the departure point for a true journalistic piece about the causes of the recent fragmentation of the Spurs leadership, with some evidence.

[mo7888]

So what do we do with the roster spot? G-League guy or a failed draft pick that we try and resurrect?

[Twisted_Dawg]

Lazy journalism to just end with a comment about a gulf existing between Pop and the front office. Last time I checked Pop was President of the Whole Enchilada. If there is greater autonomy within the front office, then that should be the departure point for a true journalistic piece about the causes of the recent fragmentation of the Spurs leadership, with some evidence.

You bet me by a nano second to this. Exactly, the front office and coaching staff are one and the same. And Pop is the head of the snake on both. The troubling aspect is how incompetent the leadership of this team is.

[MoSpur02]

From what I know ownership is really disappointed with the season and the potential of not making the playoffs.

[timtonymanu]

From what I know ownership is really disappointed with the season and the potential of not making the playoffs.

Maybe they shouldn’t have begged Pop to come back and just let him retire last season.

[sasaint]

From what I know ownership is really disappointed with the season and the potential of not making the playoffs.

More, please.

[K...]

Lazy journalism to just end with a comment about a gulf existing between Pop and the front office. Last time I checked Pop was President of the Whole Enchilada. If there is greater autonomy within the front office, then that should be the departure point for a true journalistic piece about the causes of the recent fragmentation of the Spurs leadership, with some evidence.

lmso journalistm....the alternative is that pop signed a player and then fell in love with lyles which is addressed in the article

[K...]

ownership thinks this is a playoff team? LMAO PAFTO is literally a casual fan thinking patty mils is a good player lol

[ducks]

https://www.spurstalk.com/demarre-carroll-buyout-san-antonio-spurs-debacle-woes/

tl;dr: Strange times we're living in, Spurs fans. This whole situation doesn't make sense, tbh.

He said he does not jel with pop with basketball
He can talk other things
The point is pop is paid to get him to gel with him
Hell Lma wanted out after a year
Pop is not a good coach
He is a very old bitter sex starved old man

[Genovaswitness]

From what I know ownership is really disappointed with the season and the potential of not making the playoffs.

good. they should be fucking livid. years of serving up dog shit is coming back to bite them in the ass. let's just hope the team doesn't get moved to vegas

[murpjf88]

welp, continuation of a F'd up summer. Spurs accomplished nothing in FA and gave away an asset....

He wasn't an asset. He'd be lucky to net a 2nd round draft pick.

[Russ]

He wasn't an asset. He'd be lucky to net a 2nd round draft pick.

He actually was a 2nd round draft pick.

[MoSpur02]

Maybe they shouldn’t have begged Pop to come back and just let him retire last season.

This. Not so much begged, but they wanted him back.

[slick'81]

Ever since the patty/pau resignings its been all down hill for patfo

someone shiuld def be fired for this incompetence

[TimDunkem]

Ever since the patty/pau resignings its been all down hill for patfo

someone shiuld def be fired for this incompetence

The only one who would deserve it is Pop. He pulls the strings.

[CGD]

How much, if anything, did Carrol leave on the table? Has that been reported?

[Spurs Homer]

This is the biggest issue - IMO -

the dude was never even given a shot to play!

gtfo with any kind of rationalization -


anyone could understand if he wasnt playing well, or not fitting in - or - a bad teammate - but he NEVER HAD A CHANCE-

WTF?

[lmbebo]

He wasn't an asset. He'd be lucky to net a 2nd round draft pick.

Carroll wasn't the asset. It was Bertans.

[azarel]

curious, was this the 1st player to be ever chucked away by pop that quickly? i don't recall anyone else being in the doghouse that early into the season and get thrown out that early. really curious what actually happened... did he skip practices or something? weird...

[TimDunkem]

curious, was this the 1st player to be ever chucked away by pop that quickly? i don't recall anyone else being in the doghouse that early into the season and get thrown out that early. really curious what actually happened... did he skip practices or something? weird...

Probably asked why the fuck Forbes is starting.

[benefactor]

He said he does not jel with pop with basketball
He can talk other things
The point is pop is paid to get him to gel with him
Hell Lma wanted out after a year
Pop is not a good coach
He is a very old bitter sex starved old man
Well he doesn't pee on young girls, so there's that

[RD2191]

I'm imagining a SJax type fiasco, with DC actually handling like an adult. Nothing else makes much sense.

[Chinook]

This is probably the apoptosis of the Spurs. Kawhi leaving was just the team dealing with being a small market in the modern era. This failure by both RC and and Pop is just scary. It's like getting a call that your elderly parent took the wrong bus on the way home and was found wandering confused two states away. Just bonkers.

[Das Texan]

I dont even know what this fucking team is doing these days honestly.

Its like the Spurs have morphed into the Kings overnight in sheer terms of idiotic moves.

[lmbebo]

Wonder if we see a Bellini buyout soon too

[rascal]

welp, continuation of a F'd up summer. Spurs accomplished nothing in FA and gave away an asset....

He is no asset. Worthless

[timtonymanu]

Spurs biggest offseason move last summer turned out to be bringing back a broken Rudy Gay.

What are the chances they will waive him before next season and absorb his salary like they had to do with Pau and Carroll?

[cool cat]

This was just a disaster of an off season, why no one has been fired is shocking.

[tholdren]

This was just a disaster of an off season, why no one has been fired is shocking.

Who would get fired?

[UZER]

The fact the he never got a shot because Pop gonna Pop is just embarrassing and inexcusable.


What an ass Pop is. Animal Farm at its finest. Telling everyone to “Get over yourself” while being full of yourself the entire time.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

This has been building up for a while now :lol the edgelords were scoffed at for disagreeing with every pop and front office move since after Aldridge was signed. Now the chickens have come home to roost, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

SA is already tough to convince quality players to sign here, even more so with Pop and his dictator coaching style. Get ready to see a lot of offseason signings like the Pondexter/Cunningham types as the Spurs biggest moves

[UZER]

This has been building up for a while now :lol the edgelords were scoffed at for disagreeing with every pop and front office move since after Aldridge was signed. Now the chickens have come home to roost, tbh.

Yeah now it’s just, “hey something is going on with the team and PATFO.”

Oh NOW? Really? You think so?

It’s been going on for awhile if you would’ve just taken off the homer glasses.

[cool cat]

Who would get fired?

Probably every other GM in the league if they had a complete collapse of an off season like this.

[Chinook]

Also interested to see who gets brought in. Eubanks getting signed to a multi-year deal with part of the MLE could be in play. Honestly, Metu shouldn't really see the court until he becomes a better player, and Eubanks would probably agree to a long-term contract paying him peanuts using part of the MLE. Hopefully Beli goes as well and gives the Spurs another spot, but I guess getting back a two-way spot could let the Spurs grab a prospect for the summer league. Dunno how many good unattached d-leaguers there are this year. But the team should be taking fliers, especially at the forward spots.

[TimDunkem]

I dont even know what this fucking team is doing these days honestly.

Its like the Spurs have morphed into the Kings overnight in sheer terms of idiotic moves.

This is what happens when you have a senile, megalomaniacal, wino with nothing to lose and a vicegrip on the franchise telling everyone to get over themselves while he falls for his own legend, and forgets that it was his players and staff around him that made his system and this franchise what it was.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao Spurs buy out Carroll and still pay him his full salary for 3 seasons. What a way to flush 16 million dollars down the drain. And nobody will get fired for it. Fuckin ridiculous. Now I hope Carroll scores 20+ points when he plays against the Spurs so Flopovich gets exposed for the senile idiot that he really is

[TimDunkem]

:lmao Spurs buy out Carroll and still pay him his full salary for 3 seasons. What a way to flush 16 million dollars down the drain. And nobody will get fired for it. Fuckin ridiculous. Now I hope Carroll scores 20+ points when he plays against the Spurs so Flopovich gets exposed for the senile idiot that he really is

And I hope he caps it off with a game winning three over Forbes.

[Chinook]

This is what happens when you have a senile, megalomaniacal, wino with nothing to lose and a vicegrip on the franchise telling everyone to get over themselves while he falls for his own legend, and forgets that it was his players and staff around him that made his system and this franchise what it was.

Man, it's not just Pop's fault. Like by no means should we stop pointing out his issues, but his whole brain trust sucks. Wright and RC aren't extensions of Pop. They are employees who are trying to fulfill his will and fucking up because of it. Beli and Forbes are examples of Pop overvaluing a certain archetype of player and RC/BW supplying it. Carroll is an example of RC/BW sending Pop a guy and him going "What the hell is this?" Like if Pop wanted Carroll, he'd've been playing even if he were awful. We know that from the other guys, Cun and Pon. Giving up an asset for a guy your coach won't play despite having been with the coach long enough to know whom he'll play is a huge red stain for a GM. None of them can skate over this.

[TimDunkem]

Man, it's not just Pop's fault. Like by no means should we stop pointing out his issues, but his whole brain trust sucks. Wright and RC aren't extensions of Pop. They are employees who are trying to fulfill his will and fucking up because of it. Beli and Forbes are examples of Pop overvaluing a certain archetype of player and RC/BW supplying it. Carroll is an example of RC/BW sending Pop a guy and him going "What the hell is this?" Like if Pop wanted Carroll, he'd've been playing even if he were awful. We know that from the other guys, Cun and Pon. Giving up an asset for a guy your coach won't play despite having been with the coach long enough to know whom he'll play is a huge red stain for a GM. None of them can skate over this.

Get rid of them all.

[Chinook]

Get rid of them all.

I think so. Part of me would want to see the Spurs with a coach who's willing to follow the vision of whoever's been in charge of drafting the past few years. Certainly, you can see long, athletic and versatile players with potential there. But if it's Brian Wright, no thanks. He's been attached to so many bad deals already that it almost feels like a character assassination by whoever leaked that stuff.

[TimDunkem]

I think so. Part of me would want to see the Spurs with a coach who's willing to follow the vision of whoever's been in charge of drafting the past few years. Certainly, you can see long, athletic and versatile players with potential there. But if it's Brian Wright, no thanks. He's been attached to so many bad deals already that it almost feels like a character assassination by whoever leaked that stuff.

Hell, I'd just be happy with ANY vision. This team is directionless and stuck in the water without a rudder.

[Robz4000]

Man, it's not just Pop's fault. Like by no means should we stop pointing out his issues, but his whole brain trust sucks. Wright and RC aren't extensions of Pop. They are employees who are trying to fulfill his will and fucking up because of it. Beli and Forbes are examples of Pop overvaluing a certain archetype of player and RC/BW supplying it. Carroll is an example of RC/BW sending Pop a guy and him going "What the hell is this?" Like if Pop wanted Carroll, he'd've been playing even if he were awful. We know that from the other guys, Cun and Pon. Giving up an asset for a guy your coach won't play despite having been with the coach long enough to know whom he'll play is a huge red stain for a GM. None of them can skate over this.

Agreed, team is fucked top to bottom.

[ismael-robert]

As much as pop hates trump hes taking a page out his book and having all these players sign NDAs so we stay in dark

[gambit1990]

so... is a buyout when a player and a team agree to x amount of money to be paid? or is guaranteed money guaranteed money?

did the spurs negotiate for a fraction of the $ in the contract or does demarre get it all?

[gambit1990]

not sure if posted already but it's the first i'm seeing it:

“Another opportunity will come for me,” said Carroll, 33. “San Antonio, I don’t know where (it went wrong), what happened, what the hiccup was. But, at the end of the day, I am totally healthy. I work out every day, twice a day. When that opportunity comes, I will be ready to take advantage of it.”

“I don’t know what went wrong, what happened,” Carroll said. “I felt like San Antonio was going to be a great place for me, for my talents, but it didn’t work out.”

“Coach Pop is a great individual to me,” Carroll said. “Outside of basketball, we talk about family, all kinds of stuff. But with the basketball thing, we just didn’t jell.”

weird...

[Big P]

Wonder if we see a Bellini buyout soon too

You're more likely to see a beli extension than you are a beli buyout...patfo are TRASH.

[KimmyGib]

The small forward situation in San Antonio has become like the Defense against the Dark Arts situation at Hogwarts

[exstatic]

The small forward situation in San Antonio has become like the Defense against the Dark Arts situation at Hogwarts

...or the drummer for Spïnal Täp.

[sananspursfan21]

So now at free agent meetings....

Pop: “look, we’ll play you, I promise” *fingers crossed behind back*

[Harry Callahan]

The younger Holts will look at the financials for the next three years and see $10MM of pure flushed money. I don't know who can make a sound decision over there now. The Holts must look hard at the people currently running the Spurs basketball operations. Will they actually fire Pop or RC? No. Will Pop read the tea leaves and get moved into another role? Maybe. Still, I don't think the current "GM" Wright has done anything that would make him worthy of keeping his job. RC Buford needs to get back to focusing on the Spurs BASKETBALL operation and not the SSE business side.

What a mess. I don't think Pop will be back as coach next year. I'm now concerned that a good replacement will not be found given the FO moves of the last 2 years.

[tbdog]

The younger Holts will look at the financials for the next three years and see $10MM of pure flushed money. I don't know who can make a sound decision over there now. The Holts must look hard at the people currently running the Spurs basketball operations. Will they actually fire Pop or RC? No. Will Pop read the tea leaves and get moved into another role? Maybe. Still, I don't think the current "GM" Wright has done anything that would make him worthy of keeping his job. RC Buford needs to get back to focusing on the Spurs BASKETBALL operation and not the SSE business side.

What a mess. I don't think Pop will be back as coach next year. I'm now concerned that a good replacement will not be found given the FO moves of the last 2 years.

When Sixers fail, I can see Brown mutually moving on, especially if Spurs HC is available.

[mo7888]

When Sixers fail, I can see Brown mutually moving on, especially if Spurs HC is available.

I'd take Brown in a heartbeat right now

[Chinook]

so... is a buyout when a player and a team agree to x amount of money to be paid? or is guaranteed money guaranteed money?

did the spurs negotiate for a fraction of the $ in the contract or does demarre get it all?

Buyout is where the team and player agree to alter the guaranteed money left on the contract in exchange for that player's release. Pau gave up part of his guarantee last year to get out (about $2.5 Million, IIRC). Hopefully Carroll gave up more.

[NASpurs]

Can we buyout Pop?

[look_at_g_shred]

Can we buyout Pop?
Time for a diff pic

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

old but context on dead money:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/bucks-knicks-carrying-most-201920-dead-money.html

Here’s the full list of 2019/20 dead money by team, as of August 26, starting with those Bucks:

Milwaukee Bucks: $8,041,952
New York Knicks: $6,431,667
Orlando Magic: $5,906,667
Miami Heat: $5,664,671
Memphis Grizzlies: $5,498,511
Note: This is an estimate based on Dwight Howard‘s reported buyout and the assumption that the Grizzlies aren’t stretching his cap hit.
Brooklyn Nets: $5,474,787
Detroit Pistons: $5,331,729
Portland Trail Blazers: $5,091,108
San Antonio Spurs: $5,074,856
Los Angeles Lakers: $5,000,000
Phoenix Suns: $3,440,000
Indiana Pacers: $2,245,400
Sacramento Kings: $2,133,541
Oklahoma City Thunder: $1,736,267
Cleveland Cavaliers: $1,456,667
Boston Celtics: $1,131,937
Toronto Raptors: $1,000,000
Washington Wizards: $1,000,000
Dallas Mavericks: $708,426
Minnesota Timberwolves: $685,340
Golden State Warriors: $666,667
Houston Rockets: $122,741
Atlanta Hawks: $100,000
Charlotte Hornets: $0
Chicago Bulls: $0
Denver Nuggets: $0
Los Angeles Clippers: $0
New Orleans Pelicans: $0
Philadelphia 76ers: $0
Utah Jazz: $0

[K...]

As much as pop hates trump hes taking a page out his book and having all these players sign NDAs so we stay in dark

The contacts are CBA collective bargaining approved. I'm pretty sure NDA is not allowed. The word you want is omerta.


The younger Holts will look at the financials for the next three years and see $10MM of pure flushed money. I don't know who can make a sound decision over there now. The Holts must look hard at the people currently running the Spurs basketball operations. Will they actually fire Pop or RC? No. Will Pop read the tea leaves and get moved into another role? Maybe. Still, I don't think the current "GM" Wright has done anything that would make him worthy of keeping his job. RC Buford needs to get back to focusing on the Spurs BASKETBALL operation and not the SSE business side.

What a mess. I don't think Pop will be back as coach next year. I'm now concerned that a good replacement will not be found given the FO moves of the last 2 years.

The Holt's have to pay a minimum salary. They don't save money on salary, they just have less to make a roster which is fine if we tank, less fine if they try and salvage a playoffs team.

[RC_Drunkford]

What a mess. I don't think Pop will be back as coach next year. I'm now concerned that a good replacement will not be found given the FO moves of the last 2 years.

He can‘t be worse than Flopovich

[NASpurs]

Time for a diff pic

No. The Swag will never be forgotten.

[Degoat]

Carrol sucks anyways, he had a decent season last season just because he was a vet on a young team but he doesn’t deserve minutes ahead of Demar, Rudy, or Lonnie, hell even Marco lol

[GAustex]

Carrol sucks anyways, he had a decent season last season just because he was a vet on a young team but he doesn’t deserve minutes ahead of Demar, Rudy, or Lonnie, hell even Marco lol
Stipulate that.
Why in the world sign a player to a three year contract who sucks.
That is the question for poop.

[TDomination]

Stipulate that.
Why in the world sign a player to a three year contract who sucks.
That is the question for poop.
this

[look_at_g_shred]

Officially waived per Jeff Garcia

[offset formation]

I'd take Brown in a heartbeat right now

Gross. Dude had draft pick after draft pick and couldn't even make it to the L'Eastern Conference Finals.

No. Just fucking no.

Philly fans are ready to ride him to the airport. No. No. No.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Our FO is not shining these last two/three years. From the outside looking in, Spurs management sure is screaming out for new blood. It's been an amazing run, but this team is in need of an overhaul.

[weeks]

what is swag in life? to get millions of dollars for doing nothing then go to a contender and ring up. would be pretty funny echo of the kawhi saga - abridged and with style

[rjv]

The small forward situation in San Antonio has become like the Defense against the Dark Arts situation at Hogwarts

analogy of the year!

[itzsoweezee]

Gross. Dude had draft pick after draft pick and couldn't even make it to the L'Eastern Conference Finals.

No. Just fucking no.

Philly fans are ready to ride him to the airport. No. No. No.

Philly fans are stupid. The sixers front office is really bad. Just one example: they way overpaid Tobias Harris and gave up useful assets for the right to do so. I won't even mention the ridiculous Horford contract, or the assets wasted for a short term rental of Butler. Now Brown is forced to start 3 centers - embiid, Simmons, and Horford. The roster is a complete mess.

[MannyIsGod]

ownership thinks this is a playoff team? LMAO PAFTO is literally a casual fan thinking patty mils is a good player lol

Eh, this team should have made the playoffs. IMO, Pop has really fucked this season. And I'm one of the ones here who considers him the GOAT.

[MannyIsGod]

This is probably the apoptosis of the Spurs. Kawhi leaving was just the team dealing with being a small market in the modern era. This failure by both RC and and Pop is just scary. It's like getting a call that your elderly parent took the wrong bus on the way home and was found wandering confused two states away. Just bonkers.

On the bright side, it sounds like ownership is going to be more ready than ever to move on.

[MannyIsGod]

The edgelords have been crying for decades TBH. They would stop long enough to cheer a championship, and then were right back at it the next day.

Blind squirrels find nuts occasionally too. If you constantly bitch about something for years you don't get to say I told you so when it finally happens after being wrong forever. Well I mean, you can, but no one other than the edgelords will care.

[EasyMoney]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/f5ubr1/throwback_running_offense_with_demarre_carroll_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Ouch. Completely forgot about this.

[Russ]

On the bright side, it sounds like ownership is going to be more ready than ever to move on.

I hope Pop coaches this team as long he wants (a long time).

If ownership moves on, then Bud would be the obvious choice.

Two things would have to happen: (1) Pop gets shown the door and (2) the Greek leaves Milwaukee this summer.

[MannyIsGod]

The Gasol move was really bad, but this is ultimately worse. This one makes no sense, and ultimately will be lumped with the Bertans trade and Morris shit as one whole shit show. I don't know how anyone could defend this. This is pretty much the opposite of what the Spurs front office did for years. This is the flushing of MLE money down the toilet along with Bertans.

I really wonder WHY this happened. I'm sure we're going to see Carroll go on to play somewhere and be a serviceable player. While we're trotting out Forbes for 30 minutes a game, this legit makes no sense.

[rjv]

carroll never passed the eye test for me. maybe he gets more PT with the rockets but the rockets are grasping for straws.

[TDomination]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/f5ubr1/throwback_running_offense_with_demarre_carroll_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Ouch. Completely forgot about this.
lol yeah that’s bad.

but I’m sure they weren’t all bad, right?

[DPG21920]

The edgelords have been crying for decades TBH. They would stop long enough to cheer a championship, and then were right back at it the next day.

Blind squirrels find nuts occasionally too. If you constantly bitch about something for years you don't get to say I told you so when it finally happens after being wrong forever. Well I mean, you can, but no one other than the edgelords will care.

So then I am safe :lol? I was a sniffer for a long time but they finally broke me this past 2 seasons.

[Truth4sale$]

A stupid signing by the Spurs from the beginning. Probably the 2nd worse decision by Spurs management, the 1st is trading Kawhi for DeRozan, and pieces. Shows how the Spurs are stuck and confused; are they rebuilding or pushing thru with role players masquerading as stars??? The Spurs needed a big young defensive wing and could have rejuvenated Stanley Johnson in the gleague for half the price. Now the Spurs are slowly becoming the Detroit Pistons, a team in confused transition.

[MannyIsGod]

So then I am safe :lol? I was a sniffer for a long time but they finally broke me this past 2 seasons.

Yeah you're not one of the constant ones. You are fair.

[Collins21]

So then I am safe :lol? I was a sniffer for a long time but they finally broke me this past 2 seasons.

Yeah I try to stay objective about the front office but damn just this years moves have been horrible.

[weeks]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/f5ubr1/throwback_running_offense_with_demarre_carroll_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Ouch. Completely forgot about this.

:lol damn maybe he really did have trouble learning the plays

[DPG21920]

Yeah I try to stay objective about the front office but damn just this years moves have been horrible.

It’s been tough. It started pre Kawhi departure but when a player that great masks things it makes it silly to whine that much big picture. But post Kawhi they got rocked and have not helped themselves at all.

[mo7888]

Gross. Dude had draft pick after draft pick and couldn't even make it to the L'Eastern Conference Finals.

No. Just fucking no.

Philly fans are ready to ride him to the airport. No. No. No.

Ok...so you'd rather keep pop...got it..

Philly will fire him in the offseason though and he should be ready to move on...he's a good but not great coach. He wasn't the one putting that mis-mashed roster together though...

[jjktkk]

The edgelords have been crying for decades TBH. They would stop long enough to cheer a championship, and then were right back at it the next day.

Blind squirrels find nuts occasionally too. If you constantly bitch about something for years you don't get to say I told you so when it finally happens after being wrong forever. Well I mean, you can, but no one other than the edgelords will care.

Which is why I laugh at them. They have no credibility.

[DesignatedT]

I understand the criticism of the FO, but put Danny & Kawhi on this team last year and the Spurs likely ring so the FO hadn't done that terrible of a job tbqh. They had been building anticipating Leonard to be here for the long haul. Now its still obvious they had started to get lazy and Pop has obviosly lost the fire but losing Kawhi is what made this thing spiral out of control and losing the best player on the planet like they did would probably do this to every franchise. Definitely time for these guys to move on though.

[tbdog]

Raptors doing pretty well without Leonard. There is a fire loss by Pop. What ever little flame was still there was washed out by Morris back stab.

[timtonymanu]

Raptors doing pretty well without Leonard. There is a fire loss by Pop. What ever little flame was still there was washed out by Morris back stab.

Raptors without Leonard is still a more talented team than what the Spurs have.

[MannyIsGod]

It’s been tough. It started pre Kawhi departure but when a player that great masks things it makes it silly to whine that much big picture. But post Kawhi they got rocked and have not helped themselves at all.

There's no defending them right now. The past 2-3 years have been bad. Its time for a change and there's no arguing otherwise.

[MultiTroll]

On the bright side, it sounds like ownership is going to be more ready than ever to move on.
Based on?

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Pop is not a good coach
He is a very old bitter sex starved old man[/QUOTE]Last time I checked Forbes was still on the team.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Get rid of them all.Move Duncan to head coach, bring Parker in as GM and Ginobili as head of scouting.

[J_Paco]

https://www.spurstalk.com/demarre-carroll-buyout-san-antonio-spurs-debacle-woes/

tl;dr: Strange times we're living in, Spurs fans. This whole situation doesn't make sense, tbh.

Didn't Ron Mercer's time in San Antonio end in a similar fashion?

Wonder if the team signs some SF's from the G-League as 10 - day fodder or another veteran off the scrap heap?

[Chinook]

I understand the criticism of the FO, but put Danny & Kawhi on this team last year and the Spurs likely ring so the FO hadn't done that terrible of a job tbqh. They had been building anticipating Leonard to be here for the long haul. Now its still obvious they had started to get lazy and Pop has obviosly lost the fire but losing Kawhi is what made this thing spiral out of control and losing the best player on the planet like they did would probably do this to every franchise. Definitely time for these guys to move on though.

The Spurs were going to trade Green no matter what. It might have been Green and Murray and 18 for Kemba or Green, Murray, Gasol and 18 for DeRozan, but Danny was the guy Pop considered to be the most expendable player on the team that had trade value. It's true that the Spurs have an outside chance at a title if you swap DeRozan and Poeltl for Leonard last year. But that would have just covered up the bad roster moves made around that, including making whichever over-payment on the "third star" the team was going to do regardless. I can see the reasoning behind most of the big moves like Pau's new deal, Mills' big contract and signing Beli. But they were still bad moves that shouldn't have been made and were simply exposed by not having another HoF talent to lean on.