Tim Duncan endorses Mike Bloomberg for president (with commercial)

[Genovaswitness]

great to see the "bigger than basketball" narrative has infected every part of the organization :toast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkqlE1J7uXw

[Dverde]

Wait until ducks see this

[mo7888]

great to see the "bigger than basketball" narrative has infected every part of the organization :toast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkqlE1J7uXw

Might as well focus on something besides basketball at this point...hell, every other coach and fo person is...

[spurs1990]

Bloomsburg is fairly moderate and even a bit right of center on healthcare, crime, and spending. He's essentially the best of all world's candidate with the lowest negatives. A wise endorsement for a celebrity not wishing to cause ire.

[DPG21920]

I’m glad Tim and others speak out. Not a Bloomberg fan myself and surprised Tim is. But Tim does have a lot of money himself so it makes sense that he would want what Trump does without it being Trump (in terms of policy).

I get the reason as it was close to Tim, but doing one good thing is not enough for me to vote for someone.

[DPG21920]

Bloomsburg is fairly moderate and even a bit right of center on healthcare, crime, and spending. He's essentially the best of all world's candidate with the lowest negatives. A wise endorsement for a celebrity not wishing to cause ire.

He sucks IMO, but yeah. He’s a Republican piggy backing off the DNC because he knows he can’t oppose Trump in his own party.

[Russ]

He sucks IMO, but yeah. He’s a Republican piggy backing off the DNC because he knows he can’t oppose Trump in his own party.

Tim is the quintessential moderate. The Big Fundamental.

Elizabeth Warren would be best (to quote Melania) but that's looking like a half-court shot at this point.

Stay engaged Tim!

[Dverde]

I more see it as a character statement. He saw the guy hustling first hand and wanted to express that.

[SpursDynasty85]

I’m glad Tim and others speak out. Not a Bloomberg fan myself and surprised Tim is. But Tim does have a lot of money himself so it makes sense that he would want what Trump does without it being Trump (in terms of policy).

I get the reason as it was close to Tim, but doing one good thing is not enough for me to vote for someone.

My instincts say this too but thinking twice on it, Bloomberg helped him do what was most important to TD at the most desperate moment. TD didn't go into further details about Bloomberg's policy and etc... TD probably doesn't have time to be in full-time politics but this video is just a tit for tat. Seems like a wise trade off for TD. TD is doing good work in his hometown when he doesn't have to and using his resources. This coming from a Yang and Bernie fan.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Doubt TD cares about politics like Poop but I see this as more of a thank you to Bloomberg for aiding his home islands after the hurricane

[rjv]

geez, why can't every athlete agree with my political views? and damn those athletes for speaking out in public! don't they know that they're just minstrels (unless, of course, the agree with me).

[baseline bum]

:vomit:

[Russ]

Doubt TD cares about politics like Poop but I see this as more of a thank you to Bloomberg for aiding his home islands after the hurricane

Didn't Tim endorse Niko LaHood for DA?

[DPG21920]

My instincts say this too but thinking twice on it, Bloomberg helped him do what was most important to TD at the most desperate moment. TD didn't go into further details about Bloomberg's policy and etc... TD probably doesn't have time to be in full-time politics but this video is just a tit for tat. Seems like a wise trade off for TD. TD is doing good work in his hometown when he doesn't have to and using his resources. This coming from a Yang and Bernie fan.

Same - agree 100% (Go Bernie! )

[picnroll]

Same - agree 100% (Go Bernie! )

Don’t normally do politics but a vote for Bernie in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the general election with the bonus of losing the house. Bernie is the woke generations’ Eugene McCarthy. Been there, done that.

[Killakobe81]

I’m glad Tim and others speak out. Not a Bloomberg fan myself and surprised Tim is. But Tim does have a lot of money himself so it makes sense that he would want what Trump does without it being Trump (in terms of policy).

I get the reason as it was close to Tim, but doing one good thing is not enough for me to vote for someone.

I think it's a solid choice.
I normally lean Dems but Im not party loyal and I want the best choice and for me if Mike B can beat Trump (I doubt any of the other Dems/Rros can) might as well go that way.

[rjv]

Don’t normally do politics but a vote for Bernie in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the general election with the bonus of losing the house. Bernie is the woke generations’ Eugene McCarthy. Been there, done that.

probably for the best.

[cd98]

Policy-wise, I don't know that there would be much of a difference between Bloomberg and Trump. Tim Duncan endorsing Bloomberg wouldn't move my vote one way or the other. But it's nice Tim has decided who he'd vote for.

[picnroll]

probably for the best.

You rock bro. :spin

[baseline bum]

Don’t normally do politics but a vote for Bernie in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the general election with the bonus of losing the house. Bernie is the woke generations’ Eugene McCarthy. Been there, done that.


I think it's a solid choice.
I normally lean Dems but Im not party loyal and I want the best choice and for me if Mike B can beat Trump (I doubt any of the other Dems/Rros can) might as well go that way.

So let's go with the tried and true method of the center right candidate running on "I'm not Trump" because it was so wildly successful in 2016?

[CapitalEmm]

At least he didn’t endorse Bernie tbh.

I do follow politics and picnroll is right on. Bernie has zero chance of winning the general election electorally.

Woke leftists have purity tested all the rational candidates out of the race, so ironically they’ve opened the door for Bloomberg who out of everybody left, probably fares best against Trump.

[baseline bum]

At least he didn’t endorse Bernie tbh.

I do follow politics and picnroll is right on. Bernie has zero chance of winning the general election electorally.

Woke leftists have purity tested all the rational candidates out of the race, so ironically they’ve opened the door for Bloomberg who out of everybody left, probably fares best against Trump.

Biden fan or something?

[DPG21920]

Don’t normally do politics but a vote for Bernie in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the general election with the bonus of losing the house. Bernie is the woke generations’ Eugene McCarthy. Been there, done that.

Disagree. Not going to get into it - no point. People who think like this are already lost (IMO) so no point in trying to win people over. But for many reasons, disagree

[DPG21920]

I think it's a solid choice.
I normally lean Dems but Im not party loyal and I want the best choice and for me if Mike B can beat Trump (I doubt any of the other Dems/Rros can) might as well go that way.

More than one person can beat Trump. How anyone, especially people of color, can have an issue with Trump and then support Bloomberg is beyond me, but I digress.

[DPG21920]

Policy-wise, I don't know that there would be much of a difference between Bloomberg and Trump. Tim Duncan endorsing Bloomberg wouldn't move my vote one way or the other. But it's nice Tim has decided who he'd vote for.

For sure - nothing a famous person does should sway anyone (I know it does, but it shouldn’t)

[DPG21920]

So let's go with the tried and true method of the center right candidate running on "I'm not Trump" because it was so wildly successful in 2016?

And beyond that, people like Bloomberg that very obviously have a poor track record with minorities have no shot IMO. You can’t just be Trump with better talking points. People are tried of that sh*t.

Bernie is the one. A large portion of people voted for Trump because he was going to “drain the swamp”. Was truly genius. Now that he’s been exposed as part of the swamp (as was Hillary and as is Bloomberg), people more than ever want the true drain the swamper. That’s Bernie.

[baseline bum]

And beyond that, people like Bloomberg that very obviously have a poor track record with minorities have no shot IMO. You can’t just be Trump with better talking points. People are tried of that sh*t.

Bernie is the one. A large portion of people voted for Trump because he was going to “drain the swamp”. Was truly genius. Now that he’s been exposed as part of the swamp (as was Hillary and as is Bloomberg), people more than ever want the true drain the swamper. That’s Bernie.

2016 pretty much showed you don't need to chase the center if you can motivate your base. Still can't believe Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney got losing Wisconsin in 2012. Tells you how much the Democratic base likes the bland centrist backed by the party establishment.

[SpursDynasty85]

Don’t normally do politics but a vote for Bernie in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the general election with the bonus of losing the house. Bernie is the woke generations’ Eugene McCarthy. Been there, done that.

You should do more research before saying that. Trump's main base of supporter are disenchanted lower class, working class-white people in the rural area. Bernie peels off a lot of Trump supporters and all polls show him beating Trump head to head more than any other viable candidate this year or last election cycle.

[DPG21920]

2016 pretty much showed you don't need to chase the center if you can motivate your base. Still can't believe Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney got losing Wisconsin in 2012. Tells you how much the Democratic base likes the bland centrist backed by the party establishment.

The DNC is a steaming hot pile of sh*t. So out of touch with both reality and their own base it’s mind blowing. It’s why they hate Bernie as well. But ironically, IMO, Bernie resonates with a larger portion of Trump voters (meaning the not racist or mega wealthy ones) that truly want some change and that doesn’t have the baggage and that doesn’t sit in center just to get elected.

Basically, Bernie is everything Trump campaigned on but with a legitimate heart, plan and aptitude for the job. Even if he will face monumental blowback from the elites (both Dem and Rep).

[widowmaker]

Cue in all the trumpocrats.

[picnroll]

There are four possibilities:
Bernie will get the nomination, garner enough centrist vote and win the general election.
A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, garner enough woke votes and win the general election.
Bernie will get the nomination, turn off the centrist democratic vote with social democrat rhetoric and lose the general election.
A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, the woke crowd will stay home, there dreams unfulfilled, and Trump will win the general election.
All indications from the Trump campaign personnel’s actions and rhetoric is that they see a Sanders nomination as the best, easiest path to victory, but what do they know.
Only a fool can’t understand that a centrist is more capable of pulling away some middle of road votes from Trump than Sanders can.
Apparently Duncan is not just smarter in basketball than many here but in real life as well.
End of my foray into politics on Spurstalk.

[picnroll]

You should do more research before saying that. Trump's main base of supporter are disenchanted lower class, working class-white people in the rural area. Bernie peels off a lot of Trump supporters and all polls show him beating Trump head to head more than any other viable candidate this year or last election cycle.

Actually head to head polls showed Bloomberg had a one percentage point greater advantage over Trump compared to Sanders.

[baseline bum]

The DNC is a steaming hot pile of sh*t. So out of touch with both reality and their own base it’s mind blowing. It’s why they hate Bernie as well. But ironically, IMO, Bernie resonates with a larger portion of Trump voters (meaning the not racist or mega wealthy ones) that truly want some change and that doesn’t have the baggage and that doesn’t sit in center just to get elected.

Basically, Bernie is everything Trump campaigned on but with a legitimate heart, plan and aptitude for the job. Even if he will face monumental blowback from the elites (both Dem and Rep).

They're hugely out of touch remaking their party in the image of Bill Clinton, who won largely thanks to Ross Perot running a spoiler campaign against Bush. They should have learned from 2016 that Clinton is toxic to the electorate but they keep wanting to double down on centrism plus identity politics.

[DPG21920]

There are four possibilities:
Bernie will get the nomination, garner enough centrist vote and win the general election.
A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, garner enough woke votes and win the general election.
Bernie will get the nomination, turn off the centrist democratic vote with social democrat rhetoric and lose the general election.
A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, the woke crowd will stay home, there dreams unfulfilled, and Trump will win the general election.
All indications from the Trump campaign personnel’s actions and rhetoric is that they see a Sanders nomination as the best, easiest path to victory, but what do they know.
Only a fool can’t understand that a centrist is more capable of pulling away some middle of road votes from Trump than Sanders can.
Apparently Duncan is not just smarter in basketball than many here but in real life as well.
End of my foray into politics on Spurstalk.

I think you have it backwards.

I think enough people RIGHT NOW are casting their favorites but still hold the “never Trump”. Once Bernie is the person, all the arguments against him vs their person of choice RIGHT NOW, will subside and he will get the votes needed (not to mention people that naturally already love Bernie and his chances without some other people factored in).

[DPG21920]

They're hugely out of touch remaking their party in the image of Bill Clinton, who won largely thanks to Ross Perot running a spoiler campaign against Bush. They should have learned from 2016 that Clinton is toxic to the electorate but they keep wanting to double down on centrism plus identity politics.

Yup. It’s silly. But they are going to learn the hard way this time around. It’s why Bernie is leading everything despite running a race with a 200pound weigh around his ankle.

[baseline bum]

There are four possibilities:
Bernie will get the nomination, garner enough centrist vote and win the general election.
A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, garner enough woke votes and win the general election.
Bernie will get the nomination, turn off the centrist democratic vote with social democrat rhetoric and lose the general election.
A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, the woke crowd will stay home, there dreams unfulfilled, and Trump will win the general election.
All indications from the Trump campaign personnel’s actions and rhetoric is that they see a Sanders nomination as the best, easiest path to victory, but what do they know.
Only a fool can’t understand that a centrist is more capable of pulling away some middle of road votes from Trump than Sanders can.
Apparently Duncan is not just smarter in basketball than many here but in real life as well.
End of my foray into politics on Spurstalk.

Ridiculous, Bernie supporters didn't cost Hillary the election in 2016. Her running a tired campaign of "I'm not Trump" inspired no one and depressed turnout. Tell me again how well targeting Republicans did in 2016 for Clinton? Republican voters love Trump because he runs with the conspiracy theories they hear all day on Clear Channel and all night on Fox News. Republican voters went home to their party in 2016 and no matter who the Democrats run they'll be labeled socialists by the right wing media, same way center-right Hillary was in 2016. But you're not pulling votes from Trump. Trying to pull votes from Trump is why we're in this mess to begin with.

[SpursDynasty85]

Actually head to head polls showed Bloomberg had a one percentage point greater advantage over Trump compared to Sanders.

Ok that one poll does not counter the dozens I was referring to.

[picnroll]

I think you have it backwards.

I think enough people RIGHT NOW are casting their favorites but still hold the “never Trump”. Once Bernie is the person, all the arguments against him vs their person of choice RIGHT NOW, will subside and he will get the votes needed (not to mention people that naturally already love Bernie and his chances without some other people factored in).
So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

This is not complicated.

[Russ]

So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

This is not complicated.

I think it was 53% for the moderates and 47% for the lefties (and there were only two lefties and like four centrists to contribute to the 53%).

[phxspurfan]

TD will be in his cabinet. Head of the Department of Fundamentals

[UZER]

So Timmy got quid pro quo’d into voting for Bloomberg. :lol

Timmy can vote for whoever he wants. Pop can too. I don’t hate them for it. It’s their choice. But Pops political rants have a lot less bite when the team sucks because his arrogance has him coaching the team like shit, and owners, players and fans are counting down the seconds until he leaves, besides Patty and Forbes of course.

[baseline bum]

So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

This is not complicated.

Same kind of thinking got people writing Trump off in the primaries. Way too early to make those kind of calls when Sanders won one and should have won the other.

[DPG21920]

So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

This is not complicated.

Well, if your simple math is aggregating everyone vs Bernie, yeah. Doesn’t work like that. Which single person has the most votes?

Beyond that, read what I wrote before. Sure, right now, there are people that may like others more (maybe way more) than Bernie. But when he is the candidate you think all those people will drop out and say “screw it”? No. They will come around 1) because they have to and 2) unlike other POS that run (like Hillary) there’s no dirt on him. Agree with is policies are not, he’s one of the best people and that alone will be enough for the never Trumpers.

[Gibbz]

Bloomberg is not even a democrat. He's only in the race to try to stop Sanders for his rich buddies. Bezos asked him to run for Christ's sake.

[picnroll]

I think it was 53% for the moderates and 47% for the lefties (and there were only two lefties and like four centrists to contribute to the 53%).

Average the two primaries and it was the two progressive/left candidates had 39%.

[sananspursfan21]

Didn't Tim endorse Niko LaHood for DA?

That’s who I was trying to think of, thank you! Thought I was having a deja vu :lol

[rjv]

They're hugely out of touch remaking their party in the image of Bill Clinton, who won largely thanks to Ross Perot running a spoiler campaign against Bush. They should have learned from 2016 that Clinton is toxic to the electorate but they keep wanting to double down on centrism plus identity politics.

that faction within the democrats that parrots the talking point regarding the unelectability of sanders are 1) buying into the narrative, driven by the likes of klobuchar, clintonites and media types such as MSNBC's chris matthews, that sanders is a full-fledged socialist when, in fact, sanders is basically a new deal democrat. so, what these factions are saying is that they either never cared for that era of the democrats or that it has been since bested by the far more centrist policies of neoliberalism that has been championed by both parties since the reagan administration. 2) warning everyone of the grave dangers of the socialist economics of sanders that will levy a huge cost on the DNC, in the form of lost congressional seats, which is just doubling down on the premise that the democrats are indeed self-proclaimed centrists (and proud of it, dammit!). 3) ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason that clinton lost was because she was so patronizing to the younger demographic (and black lives matter and other such movements); this demographic did not take the lesser evil when it came time to voting and 4) further moving the political spectrum of the country more and more to the right. clinton democrats are further to the right than the liberal republicans of days past; if they continue to insist that anything to the left of their center is just bad for the country, they are just doing the bidding of the right.

[baseline bum]

that faction within the democrats that parrots the talking point regarding the unelectability of sanders are 1) buying into the narrative, driven by the likes of klobuchar, clintonites and media types such as MSNBC's chris matthews, that sanders is a full-fledged socialist when, in fact, sanders is basically a new deal democrat. so, what these factions are saying is that they either never cared for that era of the democrats or that it has been since bested by the far more centrist policies of neoliberalism that has been championed by both parties since the reagan administration. 2) warning everyone of the grave dangers of the socialist economics of sanders that will levy a huge cost on the DNC, in the form of lost congressional seats, which is just doubling down on the premise that the democrats are indeed self-proclaimed centrists (and proud of it, dammit!). 3) ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason that clinton lost was because she was so patronizing to the younger demographic (and black lives matter and other such movements); this demographic did not take the lesser evil when it came time to voting and 4) further moving the political spectrum of the country more and more to the right. clinton democrats are further to the right than the liberal republicans of days past; if they continue to insist that anything to the left of their center is just bad for the country, they are just doing the bidding of the right.

Just makes me want to vomit when I hear establishment Democrats constantly invoke FDR's name when they're actively undermining his legacy and trying to tar the one candidate who actually believes in it. Gotta love Chris Matthews talking like Sanders would have had him hanged in Central Park.

[DPG21920]

Just makes me want to vomit when I hear establishment Democrats constantly invoke FDR's name when they're actively undermining his legacy and trying to tar the one candidate who actually believes in it. Gotta love Chris Matthews talking like Sanders would have had him hanged in Central Park.

It’s insane. 1) how people cant see that Bernie isn’t even that far left compared to the world we live in now and that 2) how the DNC elites are really no better and care just as little about the greater good as any Republican.

[rjv]

It’s insane. 1) how people cant see that Bernie isn’t even that far left compared to the world we live in now and that 2) how the DNC elites are really no better and care just as little about the greater good as any Republican.

true story.

[baseline bum]

It’s insane. 1) how people cant see that Bernie isn’t even that far left compared to the world we live in now and that 2) how the DNC elites are really no better and care just as little about the greater good as any Republican.

I can't imagine how much the modern DNC would clutch their pearls over FDR running in 2020. OMG this dangerous lefty wants to guarantee employment and a living wage.

[RD2191]

Fuck Tim tbh. Bernie or bust.

[Genovaswitness]

I miss spencer hawes tbqh

[florige]

At least he didn’t endorse Bernie tbh.

I do follow politics and picnroll is right on. Bernie has zero chance of winning the general election electorally.

Woke leftists have purity tested all the rational candidates out of the race, so ironically they’ve opened the door for Bloomberg who out of everybody left, probably fares best against Trump.


You are kidding right? Bernie has probably a big of a loyal following as Trump. He is the only candidate who can beat Trump. Remember in 2016 there was "Zero" chance Trump would win in a general election too.

[rjv]

I can't imagine how much the modern DNC would clutch their pearls over FDR running in 2020. OMG this dangerous lefty wants to guarantee employment and a living wage.

chris matthews would rant on about how FDR is the next che guevara (who will have matthews executed in central park).

[picnroll]

Fuck Tim tbh. Bernie or bust.
Ah yes, the bro’s for Trump.

I’d far prefer Warren to Sanders. I think Sanders is a little weasel who knows his accomplishments would end up about where Buttigieg is but knows the bro ideologues want to hear and buy the progressive dream so that’s what he promises. Hell, even AOC is turning honest about expectations. That said to get rid of Trump I’d swallow my vomit and vote for Sanders if that’s what it called for.

[DPG21920]

And I also love how people attack “Bernie Bros”. On one hand they rally against Russian interference and bots regarding Trump but then all of the sudden it’s on Bernie to stop all the online bullying and harassment?

Like his real supporters are out there beating everyone up and threatening people. It’s really funny.

[DPG21920]

Ah yes, the bro’s for Trump.

I’d far prefer Warren to Sanders. I think Sanders is a little weasel who knows his accomplishments would end up about where Buttigieg is but knows the bro ideologues want to hear and buy the progressive dream so that’s what he promises. Hell, even AOC is turning honest about expectations. That said to get rid of Trump I’d swallow my vomit and vote for Sanders if that’s what it called for.

:lmao Yeah, Bernie is very much selling something based on the current climate vs you know, actually having the same opinion on this stuff for like 50 years regardless of political environment :lol.

Sure, just selling what people today want to hear though despite telling people for 50 years this stuff since opinions of the people have never changed in that time.

[Gibbz]

Some guy was mean to me on the internet so I don't think poor people deserve access to healthcare.

[tmtcsc]

I think Tim lost a bet.

[baseline bum]

Ah yes, the bro’s for Trump.

I’d far prefer Warren to Sanders. I think Sanders is a little weasel who knows his accomplishments would end up about where Buttigieg is but knows the bro ideologues want to hear and buy the progressive dream so that’s what he promises. Hell, even AOC is turning honest about expectations. That said to get rid of Trump I’d swallow my vomit and vote for Sanders if that’s what it called for.

I preferred Warren too because she is one of the best senators we have had in a long time, but she shot herself in the face with her identity politics crap crying that Sanders told her a woman couldn't win. Warren's campaign is sadly dead now and she has no one to blame but herself. I don't understand this idea that the Democrats need to roll with what lost them 2016 and somehow results will be different, like Trump wasn't a piece of shit all through 2015 and 2016 too. I don't believe there are many swing voters in 2020 just like there weren't in 2016, and targeting them makes little sense at the expense of killing your base's enthusiasm. 2016 was a pretty clear rejection of the Clinton Democratic party in what should have been an easy election to win. I fear 2020 will be the same with the party pushing itself farther right. My jaw was still on the floor watching Pelosi and Schumer claim that Russia was the important problem to fixate on, not a billionaire trying to buy his way into the nomination.

[TimDunkem]

You are kidding right? Bernie has probably a big of a loyal following as Trump. He is the only candidate who can beat Trump. Remember in 2016 there was "Zero" chance Trump would win in a general election too.

It never made sense to me. My personal politics aside, Bernie appeals to more voters than the other choices in the party, and has the strongest base. You're not going to beat a populist like Trump by playing it safe with an establishment candidate like Klobuchar/Booty, or by going Diet-Republican with Bloomberg.

[baseline bum]

And I also love how people attack “Bernie Bros”. On one hand they rally against Russian interference and bots regarding Trump but then all of the sudden it’s on Bernie to stop all the online bullying and harassment?

Like his real supporters are out there beating everyone up and threatening people. It’s really funny.

Especially when something like twice the rate of butthurt Clinton backers voted McCain over Obama vs the Sanders supporters who voted Trump over Clinton.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Ridiculous, Bernie supporters didn't cost Hillary the election in 2016. Her running a tired campaign of "I'm not Trump" inspired no one and depressed turnout. Tell me again how well targeting Republicans did in 2016 for Clinton? Republican voters love Trump because he runs with the conspiracy theories they hear all day on Clear Channel and all night on Fox News. Republican voters went home to their party in 2016 and no matter who the Democrats run they'll be labeled socialists by the right wing media, same way center-right Hillary was in 2016. But you're not pulling votes from Trump. Trying to pull votes from Trump is why we're in this mess to begin with.
I agree 1000% with that. It was a horribly run campaign and seems like the Dems haven't learned shit from her loss bc that's been their talking point for 4 years now. It didn't work then and it won't work now. I'd vote for Bernie (not bc I'm anti-Trump) but bc he would piss off the most people. Seriously both sides have been mailing it in and squabbling for years and years that it's getting old. For all the party shit, people forget that we're still all Americans and by and large, Congress hasn't worked together since 9/11. Bernie has no real supporters (neither did Trump) and he is running as anti-establishment (much like Trump did) but maybe this will open their eyes that we are tired of the bullshit candidates on both sides.

[picnroll]

:lmao Yeah, Bernie is very much selling something based on the current climate vs you know, actually having the same opinion on this stuff for like 50 years regardless of political environment :lol.

Sure, just selling what people today want to hear though despite telling people for 50 years this stuff since opinions of the people have never changed in that time.
I prefer someone who campaigns based on what he knows can realistically be delivered and choices made on what’s realistic. But hey if you want to vote for the guy who promises you a pony go for it.

[spurraider21]

:vomit:
he should shut up and dribble tbh

[baseline bum]

I prefer someone who campaigns based on what he knows can realistically be delivered and choices made on what’s realistic. But hey if you want to vote for the guy who promises you a pony go for it.

Like Clinton and her no fly zone in Syria in 2016?

[DPG21920]

I prefer someone who campaigns based on what he knows can realistically be delivered and choices made on what’s realistic. But hey if you want to vote for the guy who promises you a pony go for it.

You should ask yourself “why” these things cant be delivered then. By your logic, you agree with what Bernie is saying but know he will get screwed trying to give it to the people.

It’s not like Bernie is promising things he does not believe in. It’s that there is a system in place on both DEM/REP to keep the rich rich and everyone else not.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Nonsense.

Hillary didn’t run an “I’m not Trump” campaign. She was the favorite throughout and at that time no one really knew how shitty Trump is and/or didn’t take him seriously.

Hillary ran a “We got next” campaign of inevitability and Sanders’ quixotic campaign was a real distraction to that message. (Also this time around also you’ll see Sanders slip as candidates drop out and their supporters go to other candidates. He like Trump has a zealous but relatively small group of supporters, a hard ceiling and floor.)

Trump meanwhile ran and still runs a I’m Trump (white power) Amerikkka first campaign

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

also hillary is unlikeable

[baseline bum]

You should ask yourself “why” these things cant be delivered then. By your logic, you agree with what Bernie is saying but know he will get screwed trying to give it to the people.

It’s not like Bernie is promising things he does not believe in. It’s that there is a system in place on both DEM/REP to keep the rich rich and everyone else not.

I don't know how much clearer a sign people need that corporate Democrats are cancer to American voters than losing to Donald Trump.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

also hillary is unlikeable

perhaps uniquely unlikeable except for ted cruz

[Spurs Homer]

Timmy is a multi gazillionaire -

so voting for a Republican makes sense for him.

Those who vote for trump-if they are white supremacists and gazillionaires -
I cant hate them for voting for trump if that is who they are -

anyone not rich or a nazi -


are plain fucking stupid complicit idiots - if they vote for the nazi in chief.

[picnroll]

Like Clinton and her no fly zone in Syria in 2016?

In 2016 Bernie didn’t even know what foreign policy was. Now his policy is “let’s all get together and have a little kumbaya moment”.

[florige]

It never made sense to me. My personal politics aside, Bernie appeals to more voters than the other choices in the party, and has the strongest base. You're not going to beat a populist like Trump by playing it safe with an establishment candidate like Klobuchar/Booty, or by going Diet-Republican with Bloomberg.

That's what I said. If you put the usual day by day politician up against Trump he wins again. Its going to take someone out of the box who can beat Trump. Bernie is a gift from the heavens for the Dem's hopefully they aren't stupid enough again to screw this up.

[gambit1990]

ugh.

[Russ]

In 2016 Bernie didn’t even know what foreign policy was.

In fairness, Bernie knew enough to vote against the Iraq debacle.

[TDfan2007]

This is a simple case of quid pro quo. Timmy did a lot of out of character things to help the VAs, including writing a column for the Players Tribune. Who knows if he would even vote for Bloomberg, tbh.

As for Bernie, he's been the most consistent and progressive of any candidate. Closest other one is Warren. Bloomberg is just some rich dude trying to buy an election because he saw another rich dude do it.

[GAustex]

Tim has always been hit or miss on his personal decisions.

[picnroll]

You should ask yourself “why” these things cant be delivered then. By your logic, you agree with what Bernie is saying but know he will get screwed trying to give it to the people.

It’s not like Bernie is promising things he does not believe in. It’s that there is a system in place on both DEM/REP to keep the rich rich and everyone else not.

I don’t disagree with universal health care. I don’t disagree that Medicare for all is bad but do know it would take time to move to and ultimately won’t be the be all and end all solution you probably imagine. I don’t agree that education should be free, costs should be decreased, capped and considerable assistance to those that need it but there should be some cost to the individual. Taxes should be higher on the wealthy. Environmental issues should be addressed. Businesses should be more effectively regulated. Which centrist doesn’t support those policies? People bitched because Bloomberg is buying the election? If that’s what it takes to beat Trump I could care less. People have pointed to issues in race and gender with Bloomberg which is fair but I’m willing to bet he’d bend over backwards in office to correct those issues. He’s not a pig like Trump. If you look at Sanders voting record in the 90s in some of these social issues he’s not as pure as the driven snow either.

[baseline bum]

In 2016 Bernie didn’t even know what foreign policy was. Now his policy is “let’s all get together and have a little kumbaya moment”.

Better than let's shoot down Russian planes and start a nuclear war.

[RD2191]

Ah yes, the bro’s for Trump.

I’d far prefer Warren to Sanders. I think Sanders is a little weasel who knows his accomplishments would end up about where Buttigieg is but knows the bro ideologues want to hear and buy the progressive dream so that’s what he promises. Hell, even AOC is turning honest about expectations. That said to get rid of Trump I’d swallow my vomit and vote for Sanders if that’s what it called for.

Bernie is about that life, always has been. Sure, some of his policies are probably unrealistic but I'd still vote for him simply because of his character. And as for Warren, I would've voted for her had she not pulled that whole "Bernie is a sexist" bullshit. Not to mention a majority of her voters simply voting for her just because she's a woman and calling everyone who doesn't support her a sexist piece of shit. Fuck her and them tbh.

[gambit1990]

bernie raised $25 million in january alone... which is more than any other democratic candidate raised in an entire quarter.

meanwhile, bloomberg spent over $250 million in advertising just in january. it's pretty scary tbh, he's gaining definitely traction in polls at least... on top of it all, the dnc isn't neutral... they changed the rules so he qualify for debates.

and if the convention is brokered then i think candidates can give up their delegates. so bernie can have significantly more than bloomberg... but then moderate candidates can give the delegates to bloomberg.

the DNC nominating bloomberg would be awful. even if he lost against trump, who runs and wins after that? jeff bezos and then zuckerberg? yeah, no thanks...

[picnroll]

Better than let's shoot down Russian planes and start a nuclear war.
Trumps an idiot but we don’t live in Bernie’s kumbaya world either.

[baseline bum]

Bernie is about that life, always has been. Sure, some of his policies are probably unrealistic but I'd still vote for him simply because of his character. And as for Warren, I would've voted for her had she not pulled that whole "Bernie is a sexist" bullshit. Not to mention a majority of her voters simply voting for her just because she's a woman and calling everyone who doesn't support her a sexist piece of shit. Fuck her and them tbh.

This was her fucking election on a silver platter and she blew it. And the way she did it reeks of party insiders trying get her to kill off Sanders with identity politics crap. For as brilliant a woman as Warren is I can't believe she'd be such a dumbass.

[baseline bum]

Trumps an idiot but we don’t live in Bernie’s kumbaya world either.

Let's shoot down Russian planes and make a no fly zone in Syria was Clinton's idea. I loved it in the third debate when Chris Wallace finally called her out on it. Unbelievable that Trump was too stupid to bring up what a no fly zone meant when Clinton kept hammering it.

[RD2191]

This was her fucking election on a silver platter and she blew it. And the way she did it reeks of party insiders trying get her to kill off Sanders with identity politics crap. For as brilliant a woman as Warren is I can't believe she'd be such a dumbass.

Yup, exactly. Whoever thought that was a good idea might've changed the course of history.

[picnroll]

Let's shoot down Russian planes and make a no fly zone in Syria was Clinton's idea. I BC loved it in the third debate when Chris Wallace finally called her out on it. Unbelievable that Trump was too stupid to bring up what a no fly zone meant when Clinton kept hammering it.

Agreed it was a stupid idea. But then again thousands of years have proven that there are only stupid solutions to the Middle East.

[gambit1990]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/IHN_DAjW2eq_bbigAg7FcA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTU3MS44MzMzMzMzMz MzMzM0/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/R4_VKtLN_Yd1bV5y0EWwRg--~B/aD03MzA7dz05MDA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-02/e1909b70-4f50-11ea-8f3f-8fa3c2558158

[picnroll]

Warren was never going to win. Only room for one progressive and Bernie had the bro ideologues all locked up. Warren is a thousand times smarter and more well rounded on all the issues.

[TDfan2007]

Warren was never going to win. Only room for one progressive and Bernie had the bro ideologues all locked up. Warren is a thousand times smarter and more well rounded on all the issues.

They're very similar candidates, maybe the most similar of all of the candidates. Can't blame someone for picking one over the other, tbh. Wall Street execs were having nightmares about a Warren candidacy.

For me, Warren has played the identity politics card several times and that bothers me. On the flip side, Bernie is more radical and seems less amenable to compromise (a very important quality for a president, especially when house/Senate are divided)

[picnroll]

If Sanders gets the Democratic nomination and Bloomberg follows through with his promise to channel hundreds of millions of his dollars to try to be sure Trump isn’t re-elected will you bros be outraged at this attempt to buy the election? Bernie is being strangely silent about this.

[K...]

They're very similar candidates, maybe the most similar of all of the candidates. Can't blame someone for picking one over the other, tbh. Wall Street execs were having nightmares about a Warren candidacy.

For me, Warren has played the identity politics card several times and that bothers me. On the flip side, Bernie is more radical and seems less amenable to compromise (a very important quality for a president, especially when house/Senate are divided)

identity politics is an empty term for people who don't want admit racism.

[baseline bum]

identity politics is an empty term for people who don't want admit racism.

I think he's probably referring mostly to Warren's claim that Sanders is sexist and said that a woman couldn't win.

[Genovaswitness]

If Sanders gets the Democratic nomination and Bloomberg follows through with his promise to channel hundreds of millions of his dollars to try to be sure Trump isn’t re-elected will you bros be outraged at this attempt to buy the election? Bernie is being strangely silent about this.

bernie’s a cuck. he let activists walk all over his podium the last election and let Hillary literally steal his nomination :lmao

[TDfan2007]

identity politics is an empty term for people who don't want admit racism.

Not for me. In this case I'm referring to Warren unnecessarily playing up her Native American heritage and recently accusing Bernie of being disparaging of women. Nothing to do with race, tbh

[TDfan2007]

I think he's probably referring mostly to Warren's claim that Sanders is sexist and said that a woman couldn't win.

This

[baseline bum]

Not for me. In this case I'm referring to Warren unnecessarily playing up her Native American heritage and recently accusing Bernie of being disparaging of women. Nothing to do with race, tbh

I'll give Warren a pass on the Native American stuff because she was told that by her family and believed it. I have had a similar story where I told my friends for decades about a part of my family history I had been told over and over that turned out to be complete bullshit.

[spurraider21]

I'll give Warren a pass on the Native American stuff because she was told that by her family and believed it. I have had a similar story where I told my friends for decades about a part of my family history I had been told over and over that turned out to be complete bullshit.
referring to when you told me about being part jap?

[Dverde]

Bernie complaining about Bloomberg trying to buy the election when he is promising free health care, college :lol

[mo7888]

I think you have it backwards.

I think enough people RIGHT NOW are casting their favorites but still hold the “never Trump”. Once Bernie is the person, all the arguments against him vs their person of choice RIGHT NOW, will subside and he will get the votes needed (not to mention people that naturally already love Bernie and his chances without some other people factored in).
I don't buy that.... I didn't vote for Trump last time myself but a Bernie candidacy is an absolute non starter for me... I'd bite my tongue and vote for a corrupt misogynist before I voted for a socialist. A centrist would easily garner more support than someone like Bernie.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Feel the Bern!!!

[DPG21920]

I don't buy that.... I didn't vote for Trump last time myself but a Bernie candidacy is an absolute non starter for me... I'd bite my tongue and vote for a corrupt misogynist before I voted for a socialist. A centrist would easily garner more support than someone like Bernie.

Well that’s you. The individual. Not a representation of most people.

[pad300]

Just how much money is Bloomberg throwing around?!? He's got money to pay TD for an endorsement... It's not like Tim's got some huge personal following.

[spurraider21]

Bernie complaining about Bloomberg trying to buy the election when he is promising free health care, college :lol
relax ben shapiro

1229853726149492736

[dbestpro]

Why do they all have to be so damn old?

[SpurPadre]

I don't buy that.... I didn't vote for Trump last time myself but a Bernie candidacy is an absolute non starter for me... I'd bite my tongue and vote for a corrupt misogynist before I voted for a socialist. A centrist would easily garner more support than someone like Bernie.

It baffles me how the word "socialist" scares so many people in this country, especially when the so-called socialism that Bernie advocates is NOT pure socialism that is seen in other countries. Not in the slightest. There's a reason he calls himself a Democratic Socialist and that's because he still believes in a democracy. And yet Trump's racism is somehow seen as minor in comparison, especially when it's bordering on fascism with Trump. Socialism>>>>>>>>>>>>>fascism, tbh.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

It baffles me how the word "socialist" scares so many people in this country, especially when the so-called socialism that Bernie advocates is NOT pure socialism that is seen in other countries. Not in the slightest. There's a reason he calls himself a Democratic Socialist and that's because he still believes in a democracy. And yet Trump's racism is somehow seen as minor in comparison, especially when it's bordering on fascism with Trump. Socialism>>>>>>>>>>>>>fascism, tbh.

Sounds like socialism to me...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected

[baseline bum]

referring to when you told me about being part jap?

お前のお母さんとセックスしに行って。

[Leetonidas]

relax ben shapiro

1229853726149492736

Does this retard not understand how taxes work :lol if we quit wasting so much money on bullshit military contracts the country could fund so much more useful shit

[SpurPadre]

I'm sure Pop is thoroughly disappointed in TD for endorsing this tool, tbh. Well, at least it's not Trump. Vanessa would kill him if he did anyways lol.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Ben Shapiro is a spoiled brat...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

[spurraider21]

お前のお母さんとセックスしに行って。
:lol

[Dex]

Politics is like reality TV for old people.

[boutons_deux]

I'm sure Pop is thoroughly disappointed in TD for endorsing this tool, tbh. Well, at least it's not Trump. Vanessa would kill him if he did anyways lol.

Tim rewarding MB for helping Tim's post-hurricane home island.

[hater]

- Look like a retarded version of Ice T in the movie the game... check

- Be one of the worst assistant coaches in the league... check

- Endorse Montgomery Burns for President... check


thats how you kill legacies kids

[Russ]

Why do they all have to be so damn old?

And the top three are old New Yorkers (Trump, Bloomberg, Bernie).

[hater]

probably for the best.

:lmao

[hater]

Fuck Tim tbh. Bernie or bust.

ma niga

[hater]

bernie’s a cuck. he let activists walk all over his podium the last election and let Hillary literally steal his nomination :lmao

sadly this is not incorrect :(

add the fact that bernie is one foot on the grave

still Bernie is the best choice even then over all the rest of the shit centrist neocon liberals (including pocahontas and Mr Burns)

Bernie or bust it is

its equivalent to the spurs rolling with a one legged Timmy in the playoffs


till The Wheels Fall Out

Bernie Bernie Bernie!

USA USA USA!

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

I'm sure Pop is thoroughly disappointed in TD for endorsing this tool, tbh. Well, at least it's not Trump. Vanessa would kill him if he did anyways lol.

Is Pop a Bernie supporter? I don't recall him actually endorsing Bernie like he did with Beto in 2018...

[hater]

Is Pop a Bernie supporter? I don't recall him actually endorsing Bernie like he did with Beto in 2018...

Poop went with Shitler last time around tbqh

[hater]

Bernie complaining about Bloomberg trying to buy the election when he is promising free health care, college :lol

this is a dumb take

politicians offer all kinds of shit. tax breaks, good wages, etc, etc

didnt Trump offer bailouts for farmers? :lmao thats socialism ya dumb niglets :lol

[spurs10]

Thanks for posting. Good for Tim. I certainly hope Bloomberg continues to attack Plump even if he doesn't get the nomination. He's a self made 'real billionaire' compared to someone who lost a billion of his Dad's money, who again bailed him out. Probably nothing gets to Plump worse than Bloomberg's money.

[hater]

Thanks for posting. Good for Tim. I certainly hope Bloomberg continues to attack Plump even if he doesn't get the nomination. He's a self made 'real billionaire' compared to someone who lost a billion of his Dad's money, who again bailed him out. Probably nothing gets to Plump worse than Bloomberg's money.

another terrible take

Mr Burns is offering cold hard cash for positive instagram posts not to mention donated millions to DNC to change the rules for him to attend debates :lol

if you dont think theres something wrong with that I got a banana republic to sell you :lmao

[hater]

:lmao Duncan

https://twitter.com/williedionisio1/status/1230310483007176704?s=21

[mo7888]

Well that’s you. The individual. Not a representation of most people.

True....but your assessment is just an opinion too and I dont think remotely represents 'most people'....

[mo7888]

It baffles me how the word "socialist" scares so many people in this country, especially when the so-called socialism that Bernie advocates is NOT pure socialism that is seen in other countries. Not in the slightest. There's a reason he calls himself a Democratic Socialist and that's because he still believes in a democracy. And yet Trump's racism is somehow seen as minor in comparison, especially when it's bordering on fascism with Trump. Socialism>>>>>>>>>>>>>fascism, tbh.

All socialist believe in democracy until the socialist are in power.... the goal of socialism is communism....

[DPG21920]

True....but your assessment is just an opinion too and I dont think remotely represents 'most people'....

The polls seem to differ and the amount of votes he’s collecting also say that.

[mo7888]

The polls seem to differ and the amount of votes he’s collecting also say that.

Bloomberg hasn't been in any contests to even know what the 'vote's' would look like. As far as polls go, all I really know or care about is that the internal polls the Republicans have make them giddy at the prospect of running against Bernie. Trump is the most beatable Republican ever and the Democrats are about to re-elect him....congratulations....these dems should just don the maga hats themselves because they are his best asset......

[TheRemix]

Tim's endorsement was random.

Bernie is the current frontrunner and I think it'll be a very tight race. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump wins again. The dems are completely discombobulated. They'd rather let trump win than have Bernie get the Nomination.

My boy Andrew Yang will take 2024

[DMX7]

Never thought in my life that I would see Tim endorse a politician other than Obama.

[daslicer]

It baffles me how the word "socialist" scares so many people in this country, especially when the so-called socialism that Bernie advocates is NOT pure socialism that is seen in other countries. Not in the slightest. There's a reason he calls himself a Democratic Socialist and that's because he still believes in a democracy. And yet Trump's racism is somehow seen as minor in comparison, especially when it's bordering on fascism with Trump. Socialism>>>>>>>>>>>>>fascism, tbh.

It's a generational thing. It scares anybody above the age of 40. The 40 and above crowd vividly remembers the cold war with the Soviet Union which also used to go by Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and hence the linkage to communism. For those of us who are below the age of 40 that word doesn't mean anything since we didn't grow up during the cold war. This propaganda of linking socialism to communism will eventually die out in 20-30 years when the boomers are gone.

[Killakobe81]

So let's go with the tried and true method of the center right candidate running on "I'm not Trump" because it was so wildly successful in 2016?

I doubt any of them beating Trump anyways...

[DPG21920]

Bloomberg hasn't been in any contests to even know what the 'vote's' would look like. As far as polls go, all I really know or care about is that the internal polls the Republicans have make them giddy at the prospect of running against Bernie. Trump is the most beatable Republican ever and the Democrats are about to re-elect him....congratulations....these dems should just don the maga hats themselves because they are his best asset......

Ya. No.

[Prime BEEF]

It's a generational thing. It scares anybody above the age of 40. The 40 and above crowd vividly remembers the cold war with the Soviet Union which also used to go by Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and hence the linkage to communism. For those of us who are below the age of 40 that word doesn't mean anything since we didn't grow up during the cold war. This propaganda of linking socialism to communism will eventually die out in 20-30 years when the boomers are gone.
Those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

there’s a legitimate reason that socialism and communism invoke negative reactions. I’m not a boomer and those reactions are not generational. It’s just an understanding of history...some old history examples and some very recent history examples.

[Prime BEEF]

All socialist believe in democracy until the socialist are in power.... the goal of socialism is communism....
The old saying is...socialism is the last train stop on the way to communism.

[Genovaswitness]

spoiler: trump is going to win in a landslide. wtf was tonight’s debate

[picnroll]

I’ll give Sanders one thing, he can raise his arm and talk more than any other candidate.

[Keepin' it real]

This propaganda of linking socialism to communism will eventually die out in 20-30 years when the boomers are gone.

And that will lead to the end of American democracy. Good luck with that.

[hater]

:lmao Duncan

https://twitter.com/housepartyny/status/1230347053752037376?s=21

[TDfan2007]

I'll give Warren a pass on the Native American stuff because she was told that by her family and believed it. I have had a similar story where I told my friends for decades about a part of my family history I had been told over and over that turned out to be complete bullshit.

Ohhhh, that changes things a bit. I mean, I like her either way, tbh. I think she'd be a great president

[baseline bum]

Those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

there’s a legitimate reason that socialism and communism invoke negative reactions. I’m not a boomer and those reactions are not generational. It’s just an understanding of history...some old history examples and some very recent history examples.

Kind of like how scary the rise of nationalism has been these last few years when it previously gave us The Great War and WWII.

[hombre]

Why the fuck would anyone think Tim Duncan would be a Republican?

[paperboy77]

Well Tim’s a dumb mfr then. Mini Mike is flawed as shit just like the rest. Grant it the guy did I help Tim’s island, “among many others”. The other dems are ripping the shit outta MiniMike at tonight’s DMC. That fool looks like a fish outta water!

[paperboy77]

Delete me

[paperboy77]

Why the fuck would anyone think Tim Duncan would be a Republican?

Por que he’s rich

[hombre]

I'll give Warren a pass on the Native American stuff because she was told that by her family and believed it. I have had a similar story where I told my friends for decades about a part of my family history I had been told over and over that turned out to be complete bullshit.

I was told the same bullshit from my family, both sides.

I have a Navajo friend that says white people tell him that shit all the time.

[paperboy77]

spoiler: trump is going to win in a landslide. wtf was tonight’s debate

This!

[spurs1990]

Elizabeth opened lots of eyes tonight. I fear her most in the general at this point. Hopefully Dems coalesce and avoid the horrors of a convention vote

[paperboy77]

Bloomsburg is fairly moderate and even a bit right of center on healthcare, crime, and spending. He's essentially the best of all world's candidate with the lowest negatives. A wise endorsement for a celebrity not wishing to cause ire.

Except he’s unproven. We got lucky with an unproven Trump that he turned out great. Trumps the exception not the rule.

[picnroll]

Kettle meet pot

https://vtdigger.org/2016/08/18/bernie-sanders-beat-clock-avoided-disclosure/

[DPG21920]

DNC is a mess. This was a horror show.

[baseline bum]

DNC is a mess. This was a horror show.

Making Bloomberg look like a complete piece of shit tonight was great IMO.

[DPG21920]

Making Bloomberg look like a complete piece of shit tonight was great IMO.

Yup. Tim Duncan just got Ray Allen’d again :lol

Warren was fantastic. Even before tonight while she was my distant second I would be good with her if it’s not Bernie 100%

[daslicer]

Those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

there’s a legitimate reason that socialism and communism invoke negative reactions. I’m not a boomer and those reactions are not generational. It’s just an understanding of history...some old history examples and some very recent history examples.

I'm just curious are you an Xer or millennial? Only reason I ask is that the Xers are the last generation to grow up during the cold war and it's very rare I run into fellow millennials that associate socialism with communism.

[Spurtacular]

I guess the Laker trolls were right all along; Tim has bad judgment.

[daslicer]

And that will lead to the end of American democracy. Good luck with that.

Right having universal healthcare is suddenly going to make America a communist country.

[phxspurfan]

Fuck Warren. She is t even a dem, she was a republican before. Just like Trump was a dem

[daslicer]

Tim is still my favorite player of all time and I still respect him as a person despite him endorsing Bloomberg. I figure Tim endorsed him because Bloomberg gave money to VI and probably also promised he would give aid money to the VI if he became president. I don't agree with Tim's decision but it doesn't change the way I feel about him as a person.

[spurraider21]

Politics is like reality TV for old people.
if you have the luxury of the policy not personally impacting you, sure

[Budkin]

Welp I Hope Tim will reconsider after tonight. Bloomberg got demolished.

[gambit1990]

td got played like a fiddle.

[rasuo214]

Yang was the only decent candidate this year. Too bad he never got a real shot, maybe next time.

Biden can't last 5 mins without doing something stupid and sucks during debates.

Bernie is selling fairy tales but he has a blindly devoted fanbase similar to Trump.

Warren is very book smart but has made mistakes with attacking Bernie and probably too stiff personality wise.

Bloomberg has the money but also a lot to overcome as we saw last night

The rest are meh at best.

Overall I think Trump is probably getting reelected but we'll see what happens.

[Shakril]

Wow, it is head scratching how little people know about politics.

Exchanging Trump for Bloomberg? - Same Disaster, different Flavor

Bernie telling Fairy Tales? - Has any of the People who critize Bernie ever been to europe? All those Fairy Tales are real there, so why should the USA be incapable in doing it? Thats what i would understand how people ignore Facts, just to trash Bernie. Mindboggling.

Well the rest of the candidates dont play a role anymore anyway.

[picnroll]

Wow, it is head scratching how little people know about politics.

Exchanging Trump for Bloomberg? - Same Disaster, different Flavor

Bernie telling Fairy Tales? - Has any of the People who critize Bernie ever been to europe? All those Fairy Tales are real there, so why should the USA be incapable in doing it? Thats what i would understand how people ignore Facts, just to trash Bernie. Mindboggling.

Well the rest of the candidates dont play a role anymore anyway.

... and overall unemployment in the EU is nearly twice that of the US, particularly high among the youth with considerable disillusionment for future prospects. I’m all for healthcare reform but there is no paradise.

Looks like based on these debates it’s 4 more years of the narcissistic moron. :hang

[Play Boban]

Why the fuck would anyone think Tim Duncan would be a Republican?
Uncle Tom tbh

[hater]

Wow, it is head scratching how little people know about politics.

Exchanging Trump for Bloomberg? - Same Disaster, different Flavor

Bernie telling Fairy Tales? - Has any of the People who critize Bernie ever been to europe? All those Fairy Tales are real there, so why should the USA be incapable in doing it? Thats what i would understand how people ignore Facts, just to trash Bernie. Mindboggling.

Well the rest of the candidates dont play a role anymore anyway.

USA is a rightwing state (both parties) that has very tiny democratic apparatus. even their media is controlled by its elites. all their media not just some like in other real democracies.

Bernie would be considered a centrist in most other parts of the civilized world

[hater]

... and overall unemployment in the EU is nearly twice that of the US, particularly high among the youth with considerable disillusionment for future prospects. I’m all for healthcare reform but there is no paradise.

Looks like based on these debates it’s 4 more years of the narcissistic moron. :hang

remember US govmt bailed out entire US economy in 2008. otherwise Us would be in much worse state than Europe. sadly instead of reforming its society, USA doubled down on its capitalist/stock market farce that is now gonna drive us yo a much deeper hole than 2008 and there is no hope of a bailout this time

BTW Bernie is modeling towards the Scandinavian socialism which makes the scandinavian countries the most stable in europe

[picnroll]

remember US govmt bailed out entire US economy in 2008. otherwise Us would be in much worse state than Europe. sadly instead of reforming its society, USA doubled down on its capitalist/stock market farce that is now gonna drive us yo a much deeper hole than 2008 and there is no hope of a bailout this time

BTW Bernie is modeling towards the Scandinavian socialism which makes the scandinavian countries the most stable in europe
... and Sweden, Iceland and Norway have a higher percentage of billionaires per capita than the US. Like Bloomberg said about Bernie, “A multi-millionaire with three houses. Isn’t socialism great.”

[hater]

... Sweden, Iceland and Norway have a higher percentage of billionaires per capita than the US. Like Bloomberg said about Bernie, “A multi-millionaire with three houses. Isn’t socialism great.”

and they also have free healthcare, education and great social nets tbqh

Bernie does not want to kill off all billionaires tbqh :lol he just wants whats fair and whats fair is billionaires paying their share to the peeps

[picnroll]

and they also have free healthcare, education and great social nets tbqh

Bernie does not want to kill off all billionaires tbqh :lol he just wants whats fair and whats fair is billionaires paying their share to the peeps
Really?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-wealth-tax.amp.html

[DPG21920]

Really?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-wealth-tax.amp.html

If you fought for non billionaires as hard as people with 100 lifetimes worth of money world we be awesome.

[hater]

Really?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-wealth-tax.amp.html

in a perfect world? sure I agree with Bernie

where does he say he will kill them all?

[picnroll]

If you fought for non billionaires as hard as people with 100 lifetimes worth of money world we be awesome.

I have no objections to increasing taxes on the wealthy. Just have objections to some of the simplistic tropes put out by some of these candidates and adoringly embraced by their fans.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-pay-the-wealth-tax-sell-everything-11576195130

Not to even consider Warren’s plan would require a constitutional amendment which ain’t gonna happen. How about a candidate that actually presents a feasible plan popular with the majority of voters.

[cd98]

Mike Bloomberg may have lost his bid for the nomination by his woeful performance last night. But for me, he lost it when he sought Tim Duncan's endorsement instead of Lebron's. Let's be honest, Tim is NOT a star in the sense of popularity. He's known, but he's not a superstar in the media. If Bloomberg knew what he was doing, he'd have got LeBron to endorse him. He could be Lebron's China. Offset his China losses and Lebron will back him up 100% no matter how dissonant Bloomberg is to the majority of today's democrat ideology and whatever soapbox Lebron will stand on against anyone that doesn't pay him.

[gambit1990]

he got dragged last :lol you love to see it.

[vy65]

in a perfect world? sure I agree with Bernie

where does he say he will kill them all?

He says he would kill off their wealth. You'd know that if you read the article.

His tax plan would have someone like me paying nearly 10,000 more per year, and I'm nowhere near a millionaire much less a billionaire.

[gameFACE]

TD's endorsement makes sense. I seriously doubt he's some ardent Bloomberg supporter, though.

I keep reading that Bloomberg got roasted last night but that's far from the case. It was his first debate in a while. If he polishes up his strategy and comes up with decent responses to his harassment he'll roll over the other candidates, ethics and buying the candidacy aside. It's obvious they fear him. And I'm not a Bloomberg supporter. None of the Dems said or did anything that made me think "that's the one".

[Russ]

Mike Bloomberg may have lost his bid for the nomination by his woeful performance last night. But for me, he lost it when he sought Tim Duncan's endorsement instead of Lebron's. Let's be honest, Tim is NOT a star in the sense of popularity. He's known, but he's not a superstar in the media.

It's more nuanced than that. Tim is no national media star at this point, but SA's voting populace is a huge factor in the Texas Democratic primary -- that's what Bloomberg is going after.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

He says he would kill off their wealth. You'd know that if you read the article.

His tax plan would have someone like me paying nearly 10,000 more per year, and I'm nowhere near a millionaire much less a billionaire.
His tax plan doesn't mean shit without Congress backing him up, which they won't. He's got some good ideas, but both sides of the party are too far apart for them to actually come together and do anything beneficial.

[vy65]

His tax plan doesn't mean shit without Congress backing him up, which they won't. He's got some good ideas, but both sides of the party are too far apart for them to actually come together and do anything beneficial.

That may be how things shake out. But the consequences of the tax plan he proposes (without congressional dilution) speaks for itself.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He's perhaps the Dems best option for beating Trump. He lacks charisma, from what I can see, so Donald may be able to out slug him on the campaign trail, as no one is a better bullshitter than the president. But for those middle of the road voters and those who seem to think Donald's wealth and business experience somehow makes him qualified to run the country, I could see Bloomberg grabbing a lot of that vote. Similar to how Trump isn't a blueprint Repulican, Bloomberg would be the same for the Democrats. Bernie is perhaps too polarizing to attract the non-committed Republican vote. Bloomberg could pull those voters over to the Democratic side of the fence. No one else beyond Sanders and perhaps Bloomberg have the ability to topple Trump, IMO.

Bloomberg might be the right vote for those who simply don't want to see Trump win again. The lesser of two evils approach.

[spurraider21]

... and overall unemployment in the EU is nearly twice that of the US, particularly high among the youth with considerable disillusionment for future prospects. I’m all for healthcare reform but there is no paradise.
why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?

[baseline bum]

why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?

Only part of Europe we have adopted is the blood & soil nationalism of our Dear Leader and the GOP.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?
Tbh I don't know much about universal health care, but is it harder for us to do because we have like 330 million people (which is a hell of a lot more than any other country who has it) or does that play no part at all?

[cd98]

It's more nuanced than that. Tim is no national media star at this point, but SA's voting populace is a huge factor in the Texas Democratic primary -- that's what Bloomberg is going after.


Could be so, but I was just trying to do a gratuitous jab at Lebron.

[picnroll]

why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?

More than 40 percent of college graduates take positions out of school that don't require a degree, the study found. And more than 1 in 5 college grads still aren't working a degree-demanding job a decade after leaving school. How about instead we actually put a useful program in place like subsidized free training like electricians, plumbers or the skilled work force that will be required for future jobs. Probably because that’s not Bernie bro cool.

[DPG21920]

why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?

Because “socialism” is black and white and no traditional definitions are viable in any way shape or form!


Forget that multiple countries have done many of these things - one state in America tried and it failed!! Doesn’t work!!

[DPG21920]

I also love the “I agree this system is broken and corrupt but let’s stick with it because those confines in place that create the inequality exist so what’s the point???!” Mentality.

[spurraider21]

Tbh I don't know much about universal health care, but is it harder for us to do because we have like 330 million people (which is a hell of a lot more than any other country who has it) or does that play no part at all?
having more people isn't a limitation

ask any insurer if its better to have more or less people in the risk pool

[spurraider21]

I also love the “I agree this system is broken and corrupt but let’s stick with it because those confines in place that create the inequality exist so what’s the point???!” Mentality.
the devil you know...

[picnroll]

Look at one factor related to healthcare costs in most countries with national healthcare programs vs the US, obesity.

https://ourworldindata.org/obesity

Obesity results in high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, inactivity all which significantly drive long term health care costs. It isn’t that simple and cost comparisons are not straight forward. How about throwing in a little personal responsibility like if you don’t make an effort to take care of yourself you have a higher insurance premium, kind of like auto insurance and accidents. Guess that’s not politically correct.

[Nathan89]

Duncan just went full retard supporting Bloomberg who is currently trying to buy an election. The only reason he is on the debate stage is he is buying favor with the corrupt Democrats who changed the rules for him.

[Nathan89]

Bloomsburg is fairly moderate and even a bit right of center on healthcare, crime, and spending. He's essentially the best of all world's candidate with the lowest negatives. A wise endorsement for a celebrity not wishing to cause ire.

Buying his way on to the debate stage is fairly extreme tbh. Democrats allowing that after resisting Tulsi just shows how corrupt they are.

[BackHome]

Yep they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk.

[Nathan89]

At least he didn’t endorse Bernie tbh.

I do follow politics and picnroll is right on. Bernie has zero chance of winning the general election electorally.

Woke leftists have purity tested all the rational candidates out of the race, so ironically they’ve opened the door for Bloomberg who out of everybody left, probably fares best against Trump.

Even though Bernie has a failed ideology and has a history of praising multiple failed states that have implemented his ideology. Even with Bernie going from "open borders is a Koch brothers proposal" to an effective open borders candidate that wants to give them free healthcare. Despite a laundry list of problems that make him inadequate at least he has support(although his support is mostly ignorant people that only consume leftist media) from actual people and didn't buy his way on stage by donating to corrupt Democrats. Bloomberg is a joke and Duncan is an idiot for supporting him.

[Chucho]

having more people isn't a limitation

ask any insurer if its better to have more or less people in the risk pool

330 million people isn't a financial limitation, tho?

[hater]

He says he would kill off their wealth. You'd know that if you read the article.

His tax plan would have someone like me paying nearly 10,000 more per year, and I'm nowhere near a millionaire much less a billionaire.

kill off their wealth?

quotes please that WSJ does not give access

[Chucho]

The 2020 Democrats are essentially the 2020 Spurs. Falling apart, wishing it was 4 years ago, can't beat shittier, lesser opponents.

[DPG21920]

Yeah. The fact I like Bernie doesn’t change the fact the DNC is a joke

[spurraider21]

330 million people isn't a financial limitation, tho?
more people paying in as well

[gambit1990]

bernie is for the working class.

the dnc is for the dnc.

[picnroll]

bernie is for the working class.

the dnc is for the dnc.

... and the working class is for Trump.

[hater]

people of color are waking up and feeling the Bern

https://twitter.com/roaldenviro/status/1230454430744686594?s=21

[vy65]

kill off their wealth?

quotes please that WSJ does not give access

Mr. Sanders’s plan to tax accumulated wealth, not just income, is particularly aggressive in how it would erode the fortunes of billionaires. His tax would cut in half the wealth of the typical billionaire after 15 years, according to two economists who worked with the Sanders campaign on the plan. Mr. Sanders would use the money generated by his wealth tax to fund the housing plan he released last week and a forthcoming plan for universal child care, as well as to help pay for “Medicare for all.”

“Let me be very clear: As president of the United States, I will reduce the outrageous and grotesque and immoral level of income and wealth inequality,” Mr. Sanders said in an interview. “What we are trying to do is demand and implement a policy which significantly reduces income and wealth inequality in America by telling the wealthiest families in this country they cannot have so much wealth.”

[DPG21920]

^ Good

[Nathan89]

bernie is for the working class.

the dnc is for the dnc.

False. There is a reason Pete is beating him with low name recognition outside of cities.

[Nathan89]

Although I despise Bloomberg using his money to buy an election the opposite side is Bernie trying to buy votes with taxpayer money. Anyone that thinks paying for useless degrees from an outdated education system (college) is reasonable is just not thinking. How about fix the public education system that's pumping out a high percentage (1/3rd) of millennials that are favorable to communism.

[hater]

Mr. Sanders’s plan to tax accumulated wealth, not just income, is particularly aggressive in how it would erode the fortunes of billionaires. His tax would cut in half the wealth of the typical billionaire after 15 years, according to two economists who worked with the Sanders campaign on the plan. Mr. Sanders would use the money generated by his wealth tax to fund the housing plan he released last week and a forthcoming plan for universal child care, as well as to help pay for “Medicare for all.”

“Let me be very clear: As president of the United States, I will reduce the outrageous and grotesque and immoral level of income and wealth inequality,” Mr. Sanders said in an interview. “What we are trying to do is demand and implement a policy which significantly reduces income and wealth inequality in America by telling the wealthiest families in this country they cannot have so much wealth.”

this is great. the billionaires will still have plenty left over to indulge themselves

nobody needs multiple billion dollars tbqh :lmao

[Nathan89]

Mr. Sanders’s plan to tax accumulated wealth, not just income, is particularly aggressive in how it would erode the fortunes of billionaires. His tax would cut in half the wealth of the typical billionaire after 15 years, according to two economists who worked with the Sanders campaign on the plan. Mr. Sanders would use the money generated by his wealth tax to fund the housing plan he released last week and a forthcoming plan for universal child care, as well as to help pay for “Medicare for all.”

“Let me be very clear: As president of the United States, I will reduce the outrageous and grotesque and immoral level of income and wealth inequality,” Mr. Sanders said in an interview. “What we are trying to do is demand and implement a policy which significantly reduces income and wealth inequality in America by telling the wealthiest families in this country they cannot have so much wealth.”


^ Good

Why bother pointing to Sweden when speaking of Bernie? They've implemented a wealth tax and then took it way because it's a catastrophic failure. It's a braindead proposal and would ruin the country.

[Nathan89]

this is great. the billionaires will still have plenty left over to indulge themselves

nobody needs multiple billion dollars tbqh :lmao

Thanks for deciding that people aren't allowed to have more than they "need" in America.

[vy65]

^ Good

Not really, no. It's one thing to target those who have 8 or 9 figure wealth. But that's not what this plan does. People with minimal health care costs (meaning less than $1000) will be paying more if they make at least $50,000. I get someone making 300k seems like a lot to some, but that is categorically different than someone making $50 million. It doesn't seem good politics to me to tax those earners higher under the auspices of "taxing the wealthy."

[vy65]

this is great. the billionaires will still have plenty left over to indulge themselves

nobody needs multiple billion dollars tbqh :lmao

Goal post moving. And beside the point. Try again.

[DPG21920]

Not really, no. It's one thing to target those who have 8 or 9 figure wealth. But that's not what this plan does. People with minimal health care costs (meaning less than $1000) will be paying more if they make at least $50,000. I get someone making 300k seems like a lot to some, but that is categorically different than someone making $50 million. It doesn't seem good politics to me to tax those earners higher under the auspices of "taxing the wealthy."

How much are you paying in healthcare? Deductible?

[Russ]

... and the working class is for Trump.

If so, start buying stock in concentration camp companies.

[spurraider21]

Although I despise Bloomberg using his money to buy an election the opposite side is Bernie trying to buy votes with taxpayer money. Anyone that thinks paying for useless degrees from an outdated education system (college) is reasonable is just not thinking. How about fix the public education system that's pumping out a high percentage (1/3rd) of millennials that are favorable to communism.
how is that different from every republican trying to buy votes with tax cuts?

candidates run on improving the lives of the people... thats not "buying votes"

[rasuo214]

Wow, it is head scratching how little people know about politics.

Exchanging Trump for Bloomberg? - Same Disaster, different Flavor

Bernie telling Fairy Tales? - Has any of the People who critize Bernie ever been to europe? All those Fairy Tales are real there, so why should the USA be incapable in doing it? Thats what i would understand how people ignore Facts, just to trash Bernie. Mindboggling.

Well the rest of the candidates dont play a role anymore anyway.


The fairy tale is him preaching his policies will lead the US to be like the Nordic countries. Pure fantasy, I'm not sure if he actually believes it (which is very possible) or if he's just selling it to the gullible/jealous (no offense to any Bernie supporters here) who have obviously eaten it up.

And yes I've been to Europe and have family that live there. It isn't that we're incapable it's that the policies don't match the proclaimed objective. Shouldn't be very mindboggling if you claim to know as many "facts" as you do.

[vy65]

How much are you paying in healthcare? Deductible?

Like 200-300 per month. I think my deductible is $500 or $1000.

[Gibbz]

False. There is a reason Pete is beating him with low name recognition outside of cities.

Isn't Buttigieg polling at like 7% nationally? The DNC media is bending over backward to prop that dude up.

[hater]

Thanks for deciding that people aren't allowed to have more than they "need" in America.

youre welcome decisions are the taken for the better of the country

for example:

you cannot have more than 1 wife

you cannot drive 200mph on roads

and now

you cannot have over a billion dollars while other ppl are starving

:tu

Bernie Bernie Bernie!!

USA USA USA!

[spurraider21]

Like 200-300 per month. I think my deductible is $500 or $1000.
if you're spending 2400-3600 a year on premiums alone, and are a single filer, the break even point is something like 87k per year (not including deductibles/copays/etc), or about 175k if married filing jointly, which would place you in the 88th percentile. and that's just the break even point. theres still a gap between that and a tax increase that materially impacts you

[spurraider21]

Not really, no. It's one thing to target those who have 8 or 9 figure wealth. But that's not what this plan does. People with minimal health care costs (meaning less than $1000) will be paying more if they make at least $50,000. I get someone making 300k seems like a lot to some, but that is categorically different than someone making $50 million. It doesn't seem good politics to me to tax those earners higher under the auspices of "taxing the wealthy."
i agree that 300k is categorically different than people making 50 million, but as a household income would still place you in the 96th percentile. there's almost no scenario where that person isn't living comfortably/lavishly unless they have degenerate spending habits

and there's nothing wrong with being successful, but if somebody is making 300k per year, i find it hard to believe that one's standard of living would be materially impacted if their highest marginal tax rate was raised by a few percent

[vy65]

if you're spending 2400-3600 a year on premiums alone, and are a single filer, the break even point is something like 87k per year (not including deductibles/copays/etc), or about 175k if married filing jointly, which would place you in the 88th percentile. and that's just the break even point. theres still a gap between that and a tax increase that materially impacts you

You're right. I over-estimated. The number is closer to 6k more rather than 10k.


i agree that 300k is categorically different than people making 50 million, but as a household income would still place you in the 96th percentile. there's almost no scenario where that person isn't living comfortably/lavishly unless they have degenerate spending habits

and there's nothing wrong with being successful, but if somebody is making 300k per year, i find it hard to believe that one's standard of living would be materially impacted if their highest marginal tax rate was raised by a few percent

Comfortable according to which standards? 300k doesn't go very far in a place like SF or NYC. Where do you draw the line at comfort? 200k? 100k?

I hadn't done the math until today, which is why this is all present in mind. But for someone like me, I can't envision why anyone would vote for Bernie compared to Warren.

[hater]

You're right. I over-estimated. The number is closer to 6k more rather than 10k.



Comfortable according to which standards? 300k doesn't go very far in a place like SF or NYC. Where do you draw the line at comfort? 200k? 100k?

I hadn't done the math until today, which is why this is all present in mind. But for someone like me, I can't envision why anyone would vote for Bernie compared to Warren.

easy warren is a fake

she got caught lying many times already

- pocahontas

- bernie hates women

- she also headed a state where Raytheon a military industrial giant prospered under her

its not even close

[spurraider21]

You're right. I over-estimated. The number is closer to 6k more rather than 10k.

Comfortable according to which standards? 300k doesn't go very far in a place like SF or NYC.
yeah i dno about that. again, are we talking individual or household income? even if its household income, that would go quite far in either of those areas. while not universal, a typical rule of thumb is spending about 30% of monthly income on housing costs. 300k annual income leaves you with about 7k per month to go towards that. ballpark figures on a 30 year mortgage says you can get 1.5 million dollars of house on that income. i dont care where you live, that person is going to be just fine. if you're earning in the 96th percentile and aren't living comfortably, you're doing something very wrong imo :lol


Where do you draw the line at comfort? 200k? 100k?
would depend on where you live. if you can buy a home and aren't living paycheck to paycheck i'd call that comfortable. comfortable doesnt mean lavish, of course


I hadn't done the math until today, which is why this is all present in mind. But for someone like me, I can't envision why anyone would vote for Bernie compared to Warren.
i mean, i preferred warren to sanders for almost the duration of this campaign season. its really been the last month or so that i've "defected" since she started to fall flat in the polls. i'd still be thrilled if warren got the nom. i'd consider it a win if either got the nod. i gave to warren's campaign before anybody elses, starting contributing to bernie more recently because he looks much more likely to come away with it between the two

[rasuo214]

yeah i dno about that. again, are we talking individual or household income? even if its household income, that would go quite far in either of those areas. while not universal, a typical rule of thumb is spending about 30% of monthly income on housing costs. 300k annual income leaves you with about 7k per month to go towards that. ballpark figures on a 30 year mortgage says you can get 1.5 million dollars of house on that income. i dont care where you live, that person is going to be just fine. if you're earning in the 96th percentile and aren't living comfortably, you're doing something very wrong imo :lol


would depend on where you live. if you can buy a home and aren't living paycheck to paycheck i'd call that comfortable. comfortable doesnt mean lavish, of course


i mean, i preferred warren to sanders for almost the duration of this campaign season. its really been the last month or so that i've "defected" since she started to fall flat in the polls. i'd still be thrilled if warren got the nom. i'd consider it a win if either got the nod. i gave to warren's campaign before anybody elses, starting contributing to bernie more recently because he looks much more likely to come away with it between the two

I know it may seem shocking but there are people who make 6 figures (single) and struggle to survive on that. Especially in some spots in California. Shit my old family home got listed recently for around 1.5 million and it wasn't anything special (edit: just checked and it sold for 1.3M).

[DPG21920]

Like 200-300 per month. I think my deductible is $500 or $1000.

So let’s say $300. So $300 x 12 = $3600. Add in a deductible of $1000 and that total is $4600. So you are looking at a difference in what you pay annual (minimum) of $5400 not, the raw 10K.

Beyond that, you still don’t get 100% of stuff covered in insurance. You have a max out of pocket beyond your deductible. In reality, you won’t be paying much more at all vs what you pay today. It truly is a negligible amount unless you are really, truly wealthy.

Sure some details are murky, but even raw basic math on what you pay know vs what we sort of know has been proposed the average family making less that 250K a year will see little to no real income difference. And potentially massive savings on if someone gets sick and that would have not been covered under existing plans.

https://twocents.lifehacker.com/what-would-medicare-for-all-cost-you-1839098294

Beyond that, there are very real and tangible, yet hard to quantify benefits to society tied to health care. It’s not something totally worth discussing because it’s hypothesis but it’s not a stretch at all to see economic benefits directly tied to people being healthier and with full access to health care.

So yeah, even if it means non-rich, but doing ok people have to pay a little bit more so our brothers and sisters that don’t have the luxury of paying only $300 a month for health care because they don’t have company paid programs or jobs that offer health benefits I am ok with it and you should be too.

Edit: And that is if your 10K number is accurate which I do not believe that is the case.

[spurraider21]

I know it may seem shocking but there are people who make 6 figures (single) and struggle to survive on that. Especially in some spots in California. Shit my old family home got listed recently for around 1.5 million and it wasn't anything special (edit: just checked and it sold for 1.3M).
i lived in los angeles until about 7 months ago, i'm well aware of how high cost of living can be.

"six figures" inclues a very wide range of incomes. its very different to be earning 115k per year and 300k per year.

i didnt say that those people are exorbitantly wealthy or living lavishly. i said "comfortable." if you can buy a 1.5 million dollar home, even in a very pricey area like san francisco, and aren't living paycheck to paycheck (are able to put some money aside), i'd say you're pretty comfortable.

[DPG21920]

Also, do you have any clue how much your health insurance would cost if you didn’t get it subsidized by your company? You pay $300 a month now, but how can anyone leave their job knowing that if you leave and want COBRA, you would be paying $1000 - 2000 a MONTH to keep those benefits.

You are trapped, people are trapped and many don’t have insurance which is unacceptable.

[spurraider21]

Also, do you have any clue how much your health insurance would cost if you didn’t get it subsidized by your company? You pay $300 a month now, but how can anyone leave their job knowing that if you leave and want COBRA, you would be paying $1000 - 2000 a MONTH to keep those benefits.

You are trapped, people are trapped and many don’t have insurance which is unacceptable.
"why do you want to take people off the plans they like??!?"

the reason people get coverage in the first place is basically to get some form of a cap/discount on out of pocket expenditures (you still have deductibles, copays, other out of pocket costs). you have to make sure that when you need help, you stay in network, which can be a pain. i was on my employer's plan and had to drive 65 miles for the nearest in-network specialist.

yeah, M4A "takes away" that plan, but instead means you have zero out of pocket expenses which goes to the very reason people are willing to pay for insurance in the first place. M4A also means you're the only game in town, and so everybody is by default "in network" though you may be incentivized to go to a more remote location based on wait times, etc.

it means you aren't beholden to your job because you have to worry about a lapse in coverage. it also means that you (or unions) no longer need to use your leverage or negotiating capital on health care since you already have it, letting you bargain for other benefits like wages or PTO

[DPG21920]

"why do you want to take people off the plans they like??!?"

the reason people get coverage in the first place is basically to get some form of a cap/discount on out of pocket expenditures (you still have deductibles, copays, other out of pocket costs). you have to make sure that when you need help, you stay in network, which can be a pain. i was on my employer's plan and had to drive 65 miles for the nearest in-network specialist.

yeah, M4A "takes away" that plan, but instead means you have zero out of pocket expenses which goes to the very reason people are willing to pay for insurance in the first place. M4A also means you're the only game in town, and so everybody is by default "in network" though you may be incentivized to go to a more remote location based on wait times, etc.

Yeah. It’s really dumb. NO ONE likes their insurance. They like their doctors, but they hate insurance. This is the most simple and lovable plan.

[spurraider21]

Yeah. It’s really dumb. NO ONE likes their insurance. They like their doctors, but they hate insurance. This is the most simple and lovable plan.
it will have its flaws to be sure. but the current situation we have is completely broken tbh

[vy65]

So let’s say $300. So $300 x 12 = $3600. Add in a deductible of $1000 and that total is $4600. So you are looking at a difference in what you pay annual (minimum) of $5400 not, the raw 10K.

Beyond that, you still don’t get 100% of stuff covered in insurance. You have a max out of pocket beyond your deductible. In reality, you won’t be paying much more at all vs what you pay today. It truly is a negligible amount unless you are really, truly wealthy.

Sure some details are murky, but even raw basic math on what you pay know vs what we sort of know has been proposed the average family making less that 250K a year will see little to no real income difference. And potentially massive savings on if someone gets sick and that would have not been covered under existing plans.

https://twocents.lifehacker.com/what-would-medicare-for-all-cost-you-1839098294

Ok, that makes total sense. And I was off on the 10k figure. I redid the math and got 6k, which is in the range of your $5400 so that all adds up. Thanks.


Beyond that, there are very real and tangible, yet hard to quantify benefits to society tied to health care. It’s not something totally worth discussing because it’s hypothesis but it’s not a stretch at all to see economic benefits directly tied to people being healthier and with full access to health care.

So yeah, even if it means non-rich, but doing ok people have to pay a little bit more so our brothers and sisters that don’t have the luxury of paying only $300 a month for health care because they don’t have company paid programs or jobs that offer health benefits I am ok with it and you should be too.

Edit: And that is if your 10K number is accurate which I do not believe that is the case.

This is more of where I have issues. Frankly, I don't give a shit about healthcare - which is largely a function of me being a healthy dude in his 30s. I think this is more a philosophic matter than anything else, but I'd rather that 5-10k increase go to infrastructure or subsidizing small business or something else. I just don't see a societal payoff in subsidizing other people's health.

[Prime BEEF]

I'm just curious are you an Xer or millennial? Only reason I ask is that the Xers are the last generation to grow up during the cold war and it's very rare I run into fellow millennials that associate socialism with communism.
I’m a millennial. On the older side of the millennial band but still a millennial.

[Nathan89]

how is that different from every republican trying to buy votes with tax cuts?

candidates run on improving the lives of the people... thats not "buying votes"

Tax cuts allowing people to keep more of the money they earn is not the same as using tax dollars to pay off student loan debt that people took on. It's also not the same as using tax dollars for useless degrees. That being said stopping the interest rate is a reasonable resolution for college loans. Of course the far left doesn't care about reasonable.

[Nathan89]

youre welcome decisions are the taken for the better of the country

for example:

you cannot have more than 1 wife

you cannot drive 200mph on roads

and now

you cannot have over a billion dollars while other ppl are starving

:tu

Bernie Bernie Bernie!!

USA USA USA!

200mph is direct danger to others. Terrible example.

One wife is a solid example. It would be dangerous for the country if that were to change. That being said government probably shouldn't be involved.

On the topic of billionairs you are ignoring American history. Rockefeller and Carnegie donated massive amounts of their wealth in the past. Now Bill Gates and Buffet along with a laundry list of others are planning on donating massive amounts of their wealth. Bezos ex-wife just signed that pledge. Bezos just liquidated billions to fight climate change. Continue to demonize people though.

[rasuo214]

i lived in los angeles until about 7 months ago, i'm well aware of how high cost of living can be.

"six figures" inclues a very wide range of incomes. its very different to be earning 115k per year and 300k per year.

i didnt say that those people are exorbitantly wealthy or living lavishly. i said "comfortable." if you can buy a 1.5 million dollar home, even in a very pricey area like san francisco, and aren't living paycheck to paycheck (are able to put some money aside), i'd say you're pretty comfortable.

It's all relative, even at 300k if you live in an expensive area and have children that may not be enough for a "comfortable" living. While someone else can live perfectly fine on 50-60k. Also why are we frowning upon people who make that much? If you spend 10 years in school to get a doctorate, worked hard to get a job in silicon valley or built your own small business shouldn't you be afforded the ability to live "comfortably"?

[Nathan89]

I see we are ignoring discussion on Bernie's braindead wealth tax that has been implemented and has catastrophically failed in Sweden.

[rasuo214]

I see we are ignoring discussion on Bernie's braindead wealth tax that has been implemented and has catastrophically failed in Sweden.

There's a lot of flaws with Bernie's plans that just get ignored because it's easy to ignore and listen to the fairy tales (like I said earlier).

[spurraider21]

It's all relative, even at 300k if you live in an expensive area and have children that may not be enough for a "comfortable" living.
i'm very hard-pressed to believe that. i understand the economics of living in an area with a high cost of living. but 300k of income is enough for anybody to be comfortable. even in those expensive cities, a very small % of people are making that kind of money, and everybody else seems to be getting by. i mean yeah, if you decide to buy a home that is at the edge of your budget, buy/lease expensive cars, you can have poor spending habits that detract from what should be a comfortable lifestyle.


While someone else can live perfectly fine on 50-60k. Also why are we frowning upon people who make that much? If you spend 10 years in school to get a doctorate, worked hard to get a job in silicon valley or built your own small business shouldn't you be afforded the ability to live "comfortably"?
i dont see where i've ever frowned upon people who earn more money, and i've never said that those people shouldnt be afforded the ability to live comfortably.

[vy65]

i'm very hard-pressed to believe that. i understand the economics of living in an area with a high cost of living. but 300k of income is enough for anybody to be comfortable. even in those expensive cities, a very small % of people are making that kind of money, and everybody else seems to be getting by. i mean yeah, if you decide to buy a home that is at the edge of your budget, buy/lease expensive cars, you can have poor spending habits that detract from what should be a comfortable lifestyle.


i dont see where i've ever frowned upon people who earn more money, and i've never said that those people shouldnt be afforded the ability to live comfortably.

I forgot. 300k to us armos is like 600k for everyone else ...

[Nathan89]

For the unaware this "man of the people" Bernie guy donates a massive 1% of his income to charity. Thanks for caring so much that you'll only use the money of other people.

[rasuo214]

Isn't Buttigieg polling at like 7% nationally? The DNC media is bending over backward to prop that dude up.

National polls don't matter right now. If National polls mattered Biden would be the likely nominee instead of the guy who is hanging by a thread.

[stu scotts eye]

It's all relative, even at 300k if you live in an expensive area and have children that may not be enough for a "comfortable" living. While someone else can live perfectly fine on 50-60k. Also why are we frowning upon people who make that much? If you spend 10 years in school to get a doctorate, worked hard to get a job in silicon valley or built your own small business shouldn't you be afforded the ability to live "comfortably"?

Agree completely. Didnt read every page of this post but this is how I feel.

1. It's annoying hearing ppl bitch about those who've worked hard to make money and build wealth through prudent saving and investing.

2. Listening to the democratic debates, and all you hear is "billionaire" vs. "Food stamp poverty." Not everything has to be so extreme. Calm down. Some ppl bust their ass and go from making 30k salaries to 300k over their career and they don't need to be penalized or apologize for it.

3. Bernie will be as divisive as Trump has been to America. We need someone in btw

[spurraider21]

For the unaware this "man of the people" Bernie guy donates a massive 1% of his income to charity. Thanks for caring so much that you'll only use the money of other people.
who do his policies stand to benefit?

[rasuo214]

i'm very hard-pressed to believe that. i understand the economics of living in an area with a high cost of living. but 300k of income is enough for anybody to be comfortable. even in those expensive cities, a very small % of people are making that kind of money, and everybody else seems to be getting by. i mean yeah, if you decide to buy a home that is at the edge of your budget, buy/lease expensive cars, you can have poor spending habits that detract from what should be a comfortable lifestyle.


i dont see where i've ever frowned upon people who earn more money, and i've never said that those people shouldnt be afforded the ability to live comfortably.

Are you arguing 300k salary or household income. A single person on 300k should be fine but a family on 300k can certainly struggle depending on where they live. It really isn't that hard to fathom when a place like silicon valley's median home price is something like 1.5M.


As far as frowning on people who make more money I'm not referring to you specifically but isn't that the entire basis of Bernie's campaign of attacking millionaires and billionaires (when in reality it'll also attack middle class families as well)?

[rasuo214]

who do his policies stand to benefit?

Himself, just like every other politician.

[Russ]

Tax cuts allowing people to keep more of the money they earn is not the same as using tax dollars to pay off student loan debt that people took on. It's also not the same as using tax dollars for useless degrees. . . Of course the far left doesn't care about reasonable.

Yeah, the Republicans have been real hard on phony no-name colleges that give useless degrees in exchange for government (taxpayer) student loan money.

[ElNono]

Not sure why people make fun of his height, tbh, extremely short people can be very smart. Look at DPG...