Who will the Dems blame if/when Biden loses to Trump?

[Trill Clinton]

Please vote

[Spurs Homer]

The only way Biden goes against trump is when the dem establishment screws bernie...


so the blame will be on the people that squelched a bonafide movement of motivated young black and young latino voters, women voters, poor and middle class voters-


all because of ....



FEAR.

[pgardn]

The only way Biden goes against trump is when the dem establishment screws bernie...


so the blame will be on the people that squelched a bonafide movement of motivated young black and young latino voters, women voters, poor and middle class voters-


all because of ....



FEAR.

We basically know it’s Biden or Bernie at this moment.
You and the rest can make up shit about exactly who the DNC wants.
But it comes down to people getting off their asses and voting despite being told their candidate has no chance.

What are you and boots personally doing to get people to vote?
The red team voted in a fckn narcissistic liar. They VOTED.

[Spurs Homer]

We basically know it’s Biden or Bernie at this moment.
You and the rest can make up shit about exactly who the DNC wants.
But it comes down to people getting off their asses and voting despite being told their candidate has no chance.

What are you and boots personally doing to get people to vote?
The red team voted in a fckn narcissistic liar. They VOTED.


my entire family voted early and my extended family/friends/

voted early - all for bernie and the Dem ticket down the ballot-


all you have to look at is this to understand:

everyone who has accepted big PAC donor money - is lining up against the candidate (or candidates if you include warren) who has refused to accept big PAC money-

Bernie will lead decisively in votes and in delegates - but because of the fear

”biden will be the better choice”

[Reck]

The only way Biden goes against trump is when the dem establishment screws bernie...


so the blame will be on the people that squelched a bonafide movement of motivated young black and young latino voters, women voters, poor and middle class voters-


all because of ....



FEAR.

You are overstating Bernie's broad coalition just a touch.

He's improved massively with hispanics but he's basically in the same place he was with african american back in 2016. His SC numbers were 17%. A whopping 3 percent improvement from last time.

The establishment is doing what they do---coalescing behind an establishment candidate. Ultimately the decision is in the voter's hands.

Bernie has a neat constituency of younger voters but they are hard to motivate and get to the voting booth. Old people actually like voting, it turns out.

[florige]

my entire family voted early and my extended family/friends/

voted early - all for bernie and the Dem ticket down the ballot-


all you have to look at is this to understand:

everyone who has accepted big PAC donor money - is lining up against the candidate (or candidates if you include warren) who has refused to accept big PAC money-

Bernie will lead decisively in votes and in delegates - but because of the fear

”biden will be the better choice”



Which would be completely stupid. They need to leave whoever the true nominee is alone. The GOP did it right just letting Trump win the nomination fair and square. They gambled and it paid off for them.

[hater]

Please vote

this poll is worthless without Muh Russia tbqh

[Reck]

this poll is worthless without Muh Russia tbqh

Hater who do you think is keeping Tulsi's campaign alive? Where is the money coming from?

[DarrinS]

Biden voters are waiting until super Thursday, tbh

[pgardn]

my entire family voted early and my extended family/friends/

voted early - all for bernie and the Dem ticket down the ballot-


all you have to look at is this to understand:

everyone who has accepted big PAC donor money - is lining up against the candidate (or candidates if you include warren) who has refused to accept big PAC money-

Bernie will lead decisively in votes and in delegates - but because of the fear

”biden will be the better choice”

Then that’s the choice that individual members of the blue team have made. PAC power is basically the advert and exposure. Bernie has had a huge amount of air time exposure. So if the blue team individual can’t get him in because they don’t think he can win, they have made that decision as an individual. If they are swayed by SC etc then that’s how they think; they CAN suddenly toss Bernie away easily, they really did not believe in him in the first place. If they blindly follow the endorsement of their candidates who are out, they made that choice based on undying devotion to a political figure.


I’m tired of this blaming of other entities outside of the individual. If there are not enough individuals who take the time to thoroughly vet a choice outside of adverts and endorsements then that’s the way WE think as the real power behind all of this. It still takes an individual to touch the screen.

[hater]

Hater who do you think is keeping Tulsi's campaign alive? Where is the money coming from?

she has lots of support from individual donors. if you go to her page you will see her donations

[Spurminator]

Which Dems? Bernie supporters are going to blame the establishment, moderates, and in some cases "stupid n!ggers" for making Biden the candidate.

Biden voters, which will include me if he's the candidate, are going to blame people who didn't vote because they weren't excited enough about Biden to vote against Donald Trump.

[Mitch]

The progressive youth - "Bernie bros"
It fits the narrative, maybe Russia again though :lol

[Spurs Homer]

You are overstating Bernie's broad coalition just a touch.

He's improved massively with hispanics but he's basically in the same place he was with african american back in 2016. His SC numbers were 17%. A whopping 3 percent improvement from last time.

The establishment is doing what they do---coalescing behind an establishment candidate. Ultimately the decision is in the voter's hands.

Bernie has a neat constituency of younger voters but they are hard to motivate and get to the voting booth. Old people actually like voting, it turns out.


well IIRC , the black voters in SC that voted Biden were overwhelmingly older voters

45-plus years old


which is why I specifically said “young black voters” on bernies team


Also bernie drawing 12-14k voters at his events
vs
1.5 to 2.5k for all other candidates

(trump rallies are less but they frame the screen to make it appear there are more people- and/or lie about attendance anyway)

[vy65]

my entire family voted early and my extended family/friends/

voted early - all for bernie and the Dem ticket down the ballot-


all you have to look at is this to understand:

everyone who has accepted big PAC donor money - is lining up against the candidate (or candidates if you include warren) who has refused to accept big PAC money-

Bernie will lead decisively in votes and in delegates - but because of the fear

”biden will be the better choice”

Right, he's just got a 501(c)(4) that accepts donations on his behalf and doesn't have to disclose donors because it's a 501(c)(4).

Super stoked for your family though. You all sound like fun!

[Spurs Homer]

Right, he's just got a 501(c)(4) that accepts donations on his behalf and doesn't have to disclose donors because it's a 501(c)(4).

Super stoked for your family though. You all sound like fun!

or...


we can go Biden and watch him turn into fucking jello in real time during a debate where he makes trump actually look “smart” due to his early onset fucking dementia

oh yeah and btw

gfy

[Spurminator]

my entire family voted early and my extended family/friends/

voted early - all for bernie and the Dem ticket down the ballot-

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

[vy65]

or...


we can go Biden and watch him turn into fucking jello in real time during a debate where he makes trump actually look “smart” due to his early onset fucking dementia

oh yeah and btw

gfy

Cool whataboutism. Makes me feel really strong about your candidate and your fam.

[vy65]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

:lol

[Chucho]

Homer's meltdown on Election night will be the only entertaining event this time around.

[baseline bum]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

:lmao

[hater]

Which Dems? Bernie supporters are going to blame the establishment, moderates, and in some cases "stupid n!ggers" for making Biden the candidate.

Biden voters, which will include me if he's the candidate, are going to blame people who didn't vote because they weren't excited enough about Biden to vote against Donald Trump.

:lmao So Bernie voters are racist now? :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Cool whataboutism. Makes me feel really strong about your candidate and your fam.

not “my candidate”

cool

keep feeling strong

[Spurminator]

:lmao So Bernie voters are racist now? :lmao

I didn't say Bernie voters are racist. I said in some cases they'll blame stupid n!ggers, just like they did when Biden won SC.

[Spurs Homer]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

sure

you choose dem or repub

then vote

in this state - yup those are current rules

[vy65]

:lmao

[DarrinS]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

:lol

[spurraider21]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.
:lmao

[Spurminator]

sure

you choose dem or repub

then vote

in this state - yup those are current rules

I'm aware of the rules and how primary ballots work. It's a little weird to say you voted for Dems down the ballot when it goes without saying. I think you're backtracking now but I also don't care enough to belabor it.

[spurraider21]

I didn't say Bernie voters are racist. I said in some cases they'll blame stupid n!ggers, just like they did when Biden won SC.
basically Will Hunting

[Spurs Homer]

I'm aware of the rules and how primary ballots work. It's a little weird to say you voted for Dems down the ballot when it goes without saying. I think you're backtracking now but I also don't care enough to belabor it.


cool non-story,

thx!

[picnroll]

Who will the bros, who insist Bernie will beat Trump, blame when he loses?

[spurraider21]

Who will the bros, who insist Bernie will beat Trump, blame when he loses?
probably same as biden voters.

biden voters will blame bernie bros for not coming out in big enough numbers to vote and letting trump get reelected

bernie bros will blame democrat moderates for staying home and letting trump get reelected

[Reck]

well IIRC , the black voters in SC that voted Biden were overwhelmingly older voters

45-plus years old


which is why I specifically said “young black voters” on bernies team


Also bernie drawing 12-14k voters at his events
vs
1.5 to 2.5k for all other candidates

(trump rallies are less but they frame the screen to make it appear there are more people- and/or lie about attendance anyway)

Biden pretty much blanketed Bernie in every single category in SC in all groups/ages.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/exit-polls-2020-south-carolina-primary/

The only group he won was 17-29 45% to 26%

Not sure what rally numbers have to do with actual voters.

Just been honest and real here. Biden is not really my prefered candidate but we got what we got.

[Spurminator]

basically Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032)

Not singling out WH. The idea that SC blacks are mindless sheep who went along with Biden because of Obama and because of Clyburn was all over social media from angry Bernie folks.

[Spurs Homer]

Biden pretty much blanketed Bernie in every single category in SC in all groups/ages.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/exit-polls-2020-south-carolina-primary/

The only group he won was 17-29 45% to 26%

Not sure what rally numbers have to do with actual voters.

Just been honest and real here. Biden is not really my prefered candidate but we got what we got.

yup

but we dont know what we got yet

and one side of the party is trying to kill the other side- out of fear

[hater]

Who will the bros, who insist Bernie will beat Trump, blame when he loses?

loses to Trump? I already said its a toss ip

most bernie bros are realistic and agree.

we are not entitled and complacent like Hillary fans and expect a big win tbqh

[Reck]

loses to Trump? I already said its a toss ip

most bernie bros are realistic and agree.

:lol

Most of these dudes still live at home with their parents. I dont think realistic is a word to use with them. Most of Bernie's policies are also hard to implement. A realist would realize this.

If you like the guy for being a genuine guy-that's great.

[spurraider21]

:lol have to give fox credit for constantly giving brazile a platform. its pretty smart tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-_QkQlWpI

[Will Hunting]

Not singling out WH. The idea that SC blacks are mindless sheep who went along with Biden because of Obama and because of Clyburn was all over social media from angry Bernie folks.
I seriously doubt very many people beyond me said “stupid n!ggers” :lol

Dens are in denial because of their intellectual superiority complex they don’t want to admit that southern blacks aren’t any less mindless than the southern whites who they make fun of with things like votingrepublican.jpeg

[TSA]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

:rollin

[Will Hunting]

Biden voters, which will include me if he's the candidate, are going to blame people who didn't vote because they weren't excited enough about Biden to vote against Donald Trump.
This ignores the reality that more or less half of the voting eligible population isn’t going to show up to the ballot box unless they’re given a compelling reason to and unfortunately Dems rely on that half of the population a lot more than Republicans do.

Nominating unexciting candidates one after another and wondrously expecting good voter turnout because you think the rest of the country should hate Trump as much as you do strikes me as a complete failure to understand the voters whose votes Biden needs to get.

[spurraider21]

This ignores the reality that more or less half of the voting eligible population isn’t going to show up to the ballot box unless they’re given a compelling reason to and unfortunately Dems rely on that half of the population a lot more than Republicans do.

Nominating unexciting candidates one after another and wondrously expecting good voter turnout because you think the rest of the country should hate Trump as much as you do strikes me as a complete failure to understand the voters whose votes Biden needs to get.
the notion that turnout will automatically be there because everybody is motivated to get trump out is over-optimistic. i dont think democrat voters hated trump any less 4 years ago

[benefactor]

I seriously doubt very many people beyond me said “stupid n!ggers” :lol

Dens are in denial because of their intellectual superiority complex they don’t want to admit that southern blacks aren’t any less mindless than the southern whites who they make fun of with things like votingrepublican.jpeg
:tu

[Chinook]

the notion that turnout will automatically be there because everybody is motivated to get trump out is over-optimistic. i dont think democrat voters hated trump any less 4 years ago

If anything, it is probably less. I think a lot of people legit thought Trump would've destroyed the world by now. No matter who gets the nomination, I think there will be a decent chunk of folks who are willing to do four more years rather than endorse the direction of the party.

I'm actually okay with Biden, so I'm gonna vote unless the superdelegates pull some corrupt shit to give him the nod even though Sanders wins by a sizeable plurality.

[spurraider21]

If anything, it is probably less. I think a lot of people legit thought Trump would've destroyed the world by now. No matter who gets the nomination, I think there will be a decent chunk of folks who are willing to do four more years rather than endorse the direction of the party.

I'm actually okay with Biden, so I'm gonna vote unless the superdelegates pull some corrupt shit to give him the nod even though Sanders wins by a sizeable plurality.
yeah i'd vote for biden in a heartbeat in the general election if he's the nominee, unless the level of fuckery is beyond reason (assuming he doesnt get the plurality outright, which does not seem farfetched at this point).

the only democrat candidate i would not vote for is bloomberg

[Spurminator]

the notion that turnout will automatically be there because everybody is motivated to get trump out is over-optimistic. i dont think democrat voters hated trump any less 4 years ago

2018 had the highest voter turnout of any midterm election since 1914, and Democrats won the overall national vote by 9%, so I'm not sure why you guys are so quick to underestimate the Trump hate factor. That didn't happen because voters were super stoked about their ultra-progressive Senate and House candidates.

I don't see any reason to believe that turnout will be lower than 2016, and I don't see Trump picking up more new voters than the Democrat candidate, regardless of who that candidate is... With that said, the only Democrat candidate that could conceivably cause that many voters to switch from Clinton to Trump is Bernie Sanders.

Sanders can win, but he would be a historically unprecedented candidate. You can't compare him to any previous candidate to predict how the general vote would go. He's a self-avowed, proud socialist. He will excite a lot of new voters, and he will scare a lot of voters who would have otherwise voted Democrat. None of us knows which of those variables is bigger.

[rjv]

sanders will get some of the blame. gubbard will too. and whatever third party candidate is on the ticket.

[Blake]

Other: The outdated electoral college

[Spurminator]

I seriously doubt very many people beyond me said “stupid n!ggers” :lol

Dens are in denial because of their intellectual superiority complex they don’t want to admit that southern blacks aren’t any less mindless than the southern whites who they make fun of with things like votingrepublican.jpeg

It's a big world, I'm sure you're not the only one. It's the implication more than the specific language. 150K South Carolina blacks didn't vote a certain way because they were told to do so.

[rjv]

and the Bolsheviks, of course.

[phxspurfan]

It's not gonna be Status Quo Joe (will vote for him if it is). But it will be Bernie and La Revolucion, bitches.

[spurraider21]

It's not gonna be Status Quo Joe (will vote for him if it is). But it will be Bernie and La Revolucion, bitches.
im less and less confident in this by the minute

[Reck]

im less and less confident in this by the minute

Wait for tonight, man.

California still looks good for him. Not as great anymore because I think Biden and maybe Warren will get at least 15% now. Texas is also up in the air and both are tilting Bernie.

[spurraider21]

Wait for tonight, man.

California still looks good for him. Not as great anymore because I think Biden and maybe Warren will get at least 15% now. Texas is also up in the air and both are tilting Bernie.
he's going to need more than a slim plurality to walk out of the convention as the nominee

[rjv]

he's going to need more than a slim plurality to walk out of the convention as the nominee

the new york times interviewed 93 of the more than 700 superdelegates, appointed by the party and permitted to vote in the second round if no candidate receives the required 1,991 delegates to win in the first round. most of those interviewed said they would seek to prevent Sanders from being the nominee if he did not have a majority of delegates in the first count, even if it required drafting someone who did not run in the primaries (like Sherod Brown of ohio) and even if it led to sanders’ supporters abandoning the party in disgust (which i'm sure they would).

[spurraider21]

the new york times interviewed 93 of the more than 700 superdelegates, appointed by the party and permitted to vote in the second round if no candidate receives the required 1,991 delegates to win in the first round. most of those interviewed said they would seek to prevent Sanders from being the nominee if he did not have a majority of delegates in the first count, even if it required drafting someone who did not run in the primaries (like Sherod Brown of ohio) and even if it led to sanders’ supporters abandoning the party in disgust (which i'm sure they would).
i'm ready to hold my nose and vote for biden the same way i did hillary... but if that level of fuckery takes place, i'd abstain. 4 more years of trump would be god awful, but having to choose between 2 corrupt parties in perpetuity is worse. they need to weigh their actions depending on the strength of the plurality (again, assuming there is one, something that i'm not convinced is a sure thing at this point)

[Spurs Homer]

the new york times interviewed 93 of the more than 700 superdelegates, appointed by the party and permitted to vote in the second round if no candidate receives the required 1,991 delegates to win in the first round. most of those interviewed said they would seek to prevent Sanders from being the nominee if he did not have a majority of delegates in the first count, even if it required drafting someone who did not run in the primaries (like Sherod Brown of ohio) and even if it led to sanders’ supporters abandoning the party in disgust (which i'm sure they would).

If true - that sounds pretty fucked up -

maybe Bernie should should break off - this year - run as an Independent -

and allow Trump to win -

then in 4 years (bernie will be too old) - maybe a young progressive can take the mantle and run Independent


after awhile there can be two parties bought by donors and ONE party working for the people.

[picnroll]

If true - that sounds pretty fucked up -

maybe Bernie should should break off - this year - run as an Independent -

and allow Trump to win -

then in 4 years (bernie will be too old) - maybe a young progressive can take the mantle and run Independent


after awhile there can be two parties bought by donors and ONE party working for the people.

Hate to break it to you but after Trump wins in 2020, he, Moscow Mitch and the packed Supreme Court will declare the US constitution invalid, Trump will be anointed ruler for life and little Donnie Jr heir to the throne.

[Spurs Homer]

Hate to break it to you but after Trump wins in 2020, he, Moscow Mitch and the packed Supreme Court will declare the US constitution invalid, Trump will be anointed ruler for life and little Donnie Jr heir to the throne.

might as well

we arent that far from that exact thing right now...

[Spurminator]

If true - that sounds pretty fucked up -

maybe Bernie should should break off - this year - run as an Independent -

and allow Trump to win -

then in 4 years (bernie will be too old) - maybe a young progressive can take the mantle and run Independent


after awhile there can be two parties bought by donors and ONE party working for the people.

And that party will get 4% of the vote. :lmao

To get your people's party, you first have to get Republicans out of office. Then you reform elections and campaign finance, which even moderate Dems favor.

[hater]

:lmao the 3 horsemen of the apocalypse, Susan Rice, Comey and Brennan endorse Biden :lmao



what a shitsbow

[Spurtacular]

No Russia? No white males?

You don't think they aren't going to go with their bread and butter?

[boutons_deux]

when can blame Warren if Bernie loses today to Biden

If Warren had dropped out yesterday and endorsed Bernie, Bernie would have gotten a bigger bump and delegates than Biden got from Pete and Klobocop

[spurraider21]

when can blame Warren if Bernie loses today to Biden

If Warren had dropped out yesterday and endorsed Bernie, Bernie would have gotten a bigger bump and delegates Biden got from Pete and Klobocop
im not even sure she'd have endorsed bernie at this point, even if she did drop out

[boutons_deux]

im not even sure she'd have endorsed bernie at this point, even if she did drop out

as an official Dem, she may one who would rather see Joe beat by Trash, that Bernie win

[phxspurfan]

Wait for tonight, man.

California still looks good for him. Not as great anymore because I think Biden and maybe Warren will get at least 15% now. Texas is also up in the air and both are tilting Bernie.

Stupid Warren and Bloomberg playing spoiler at this point. Probably being paid off by execs who don't want to Feel the Bern tbh


Free college for all the kids! Free healthcare for all! Because the corportate establishment, and their greed, is un-faih!

[UncleDennis]

Stupid Warren and Bloomberg playing spoiler at this point. Probably being paid off by execs who don't want to Feel the Bern tbh


Free college for all the kids! Free healthcare for all! Because the corportate establishment, and their greed, is un-faih!

Bloomberg is a few hours from dropping out, which strengthens Biden even more. At this point Warren is royally fucking Bernie by not dropping out. She knows she can't win, so she's either really pissed at him still or is doing some DNC bidding.

[Winehole23]

Bloomberg is a few hours from dropping out, which strengthens Biden even more. At this point Warren is royally fucking Bernie by not dropping out. She knows she can't win, so she's either really pissed at him still or is doing some DNC bidding.The DNC is doing what political parties do; protecting their power and their donors. In this case from Bernie.

The hard feelings on both sides are understandable.

[DMC]

Whitey.. always whitey

[Blake]

Whitey.. always whitey

Well yeah I'd say the people that ran Cambridge Analytica were all white.

[AaronY]

Stupid Warren and Bloomberg playing spoiler at this point.
Its so unfair Bernie has to run against people

[spurraider21]

Its so unfair Bernie has to run against people
:lol

[phxspurfan]

Bloomberg is a few hours from dropping out, which strengthens Biden even more. At this point Warren is royally fucking Bernie by not dropping out. She knows she can't win, so she's either really pissed at him still or is doing some DNC bidding.

DNC bidding it is. I hate her even more

[Isitjustme?]

So you voted straight party Democrat on a primary ballot. Big if true.

:lol