***** OFFICIAL SpursTalk Political Affiliation User Breakdown Thread *****

[Millennial_Messiah]

I hope we can get this or something like this stickied.


Far Left:

boutons_deux
Spurs Homer
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52221)gambit1990 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=30595)
Trill Clinton


Left:

monosylab1k
mono
Blake
Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)
ChumpDumper (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=153)
RandomGuy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1813)
baseline (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14719) bum
AaronY
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27732)TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)
FuzzyLumpkins (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2456)
Winehole23 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14613)


Center Left:

spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905)
Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032)
pgardn
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19184)picnroll (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52)
DMX7
rjv (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12916)
benefactor (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13284)
mrsmaalox (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1813)
apalisoc_9 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260)
HarlemHeat37 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11597)


Center:

ElNono
Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)
hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609)
Avante (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270)
Xevious (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17254)
Mitch


Center Right:

Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493)
DMC
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665)TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640)
rmt (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4593)
Trainwreck2100
Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320)


Right:

Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)
koriwhat
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674)CosmicCowboy
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=207)Nathan89 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20260)
DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042)
SnakeBoy
Texas_Ranger (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12109)


Far Right:

Spurtacular
(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615)ducks
FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741)

[Blake]

Wgaf

Team sports in politics is horrible for America but that's where we're at

[benefactor]

Thanks for not including me. Not belonging is exactly where I wanted to be.:tu

[TheGreatYacht]

I did vote for Bernie but some people think I'm alt-right cuz I'm not for open-border and hate Zionism :lol

And I think my boy hater is more of a leftist but he likes to troll the libtards with Trump.

Quite frankly I prefer not to be labeled though as I think this labeling crap is divisive and toxic :tu

Thanks for not including me. Not belonging is exactly where I wanted to be.:tu

I was about to say the same until I got a notification from OP

[ducks]

Hater not center

[picnroll]

Consider myself far center.

[Reck]

Wgaf

Team sports in politics is horrible for America but that's where we're at

True enough.

I get attack often by my own boys on ST because they're a bit more left than me. It gets aggravating because ultimately we agree on most everything but 1 issue is all it takes to be labeled something you're not.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm for national socialism. I don't know if that's left or right since both sides like to accuse each other of being nazis.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hater not center

Hater is more like Jimmy Dore. I would say the same about myself.

[DMC]

I am right, always, but not right of center.

[spurraider21]

i considered myself center or center-left because i made the SJW thing to be a lot bigger deal than it actually was... in that if those people are left, i'm definitely to the right of them

also dont really consider myself left on immigration issues (i just dont think mass deportation is the way to go about it, and think there should be a pathway to citizenship... basically reaganesque in that regard)

but at this point the most important issues to me are healthcare/climate/education/crim justice reform. i think that makes me pretty squarely left at this point (i dont know how at this point you could categorize a warren/sanders supporter as center left when you have reck/chump/aaron as left)

[spurraider21]

i also dont think ducks is any farther right than most of the people you have listed as Right, he's just stupider and louder

[spurraider21]

I'm for national socialism. I don't know if that's left or right since both sides like to accuse each other of being nazis.
https://i.gyazo.com/e249f0ad91722a9223ce8bcfbc774ba2.png

[Will Hunting]

Yeah not sure how I’m center left but Chumpdumper and AaronY are left.

[spurraider21]

Yeah not sure how I’m center left but Chumpdumper and AaronY are left.
he probably is hesitant to move you farther to your left because of your DUMB N*GGER shtick

some people also confuse being more politically charged with being farther left/right... its why he has ducks very far right, spurs homer very far left, because they're ridiculously partisan. its like when people think MSNBC is aggressively far left just because they're very loud and left leaning

[DarrinS]

You put me in the right box, but I would point out that the "center" has moved left.

I would be a JFK voting Democrat in a different time.

[Millennial_Messiah]

but at this point the most important issues to me are healthcare/climate/education/crim justice reform. i think that makes me pretty squarely left at this point (i dont know how at this point you could categorize a warren/sanders supporter as center left when you have reck/chump/aaron as left)
healthcare-absolutely- surgery/office visit costs, drug costs, and insurance company profits should absolutely be regulated and capped.

criminal justice-absolutely, the sentences are extremely archaic. like, 1840's level archaic... $1000 fine but 10 years in prison? wtf? make it a $40k fine and 3 months in prison. Saves money on prisoner holding costs and generates more revenue for the local/state governments. It's win-win because even though the criminal loses a lot more money, they are *free* so they have a chance to make up a lot more. Prisoners don't even get a chance to make minimum wage scrubbing prison toilets.

Education- yes, tuition costs should be regulated and increases should be capped. "board designated" tuition is bullshit, since the "board" is always a bunch of hypocritical old men who also oddly but ironically enough vote democrat. the democrats are equally or worse responsible for corporate greed, including wall street, education and medicine/big pharma. But the democrats won't do shit about that because that's where they get their big donation money from.

Climate - Nope. It's just not practical. Just let science and technology run its course, we can keep using cheap fossil fuels until the renewables become cheap enough, but don't wreck the market by crusading against fossil fuels and making energy too expensive for the average consumer in the meantime when renewable energy hasn't had the chance to mature into the market yet and cheapen down reasonably priced transportation still is fossil fuel reliant. remember when flat screen TVs cost $4k in the tube tv era? Me too, and it's a similar concept. 1-2 more degrees of heat in the next 50 years won't kill us, but the main thing is we need to regulate against deforestation/cutting down trees.

[spurraider21]

You put me in the right box, but I would point out that the "center" has moved left.:lol


I would be a JFK voting Democrat in a different time.
reagan was considered far right and he'd be a RINO today

obama was called far left and governed center-right. his evil socialist healthcare was taken from bob dole and mitt romney

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol


reagan was considered far right and he'd be a RINO today

obama was called far left and governed center-right. his evil socialist healthcare was taken from bob dole and mitt romney
then again, he's been team blue lately as well... don't be surprised if he goes full arlen specter between this upcoming november and january... :lol

[RandomGuy]

Shocker. Grade school dipshit, starts junior high school popularity thread about other posters.

[spurraider21]

then again, he's been team blue lately as well... don't be surprised if he goes full arlen specter between this upcoming november and january... :lol
what political policy positions does he hold that you consider left?

taxes? healthcare? climate? education? lgbt? military spending? abortion? entitlements?

[Millennial_Messiah]

what political policy positions does he hold that you consider left?

taxes? healthcare? climate? education? lgbt? military spending? abortion? entitlements?
this, and

https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/4e72c975-e2cd-44ce-8fa3-1ecb24e8a30a/svn/fruit-trees-pchflk05g-64_1000.jpg

[spurraider21]

this, and
yeah... thats not it.

that's a question of partisan hackery, not political leaning

donald trump =/= conservatism

[Millennial_Messiah]

reagan was considered far right and he'd be a RINO today

I don't consider Reagan necessarily right wing, his policies were similar to hillary's, fund the mujahideen, spend a bunch of gov't money and blame everything on the russians.

[Millennial_Messiah]

donald trump =/= conservatism
so what does that make Mike Pence tbh?

[spurraider21]

so what does that make Mike Pence tbh?
mike pence is farther right than trump because he's extreme with the jesus

[Millennial_Messiah]

mike pence is farther right than trump because he's extreme with the jesus

&

Huckabee
Ben Carson
Santorum
... et al.

But I think the good thing about Trump is he's helped distance the GOP from religion a bit. That will really help the party survive in the long run as the US becomes less and less religious like Europe. Note Trump seldom or never talks about God the way that the Bushes or McCain or Romney or past traditional GOP types have.

[DarrinS]

mike pence is farther right than trump because he's extreme with the jesus

That didn't used to be an extreme thing.

[spurraider21]

That didn't used to be an extreme thing.
its not extreme when practiced privately.

he's extreme in that he constantly tries to legislate it

[DarrinS]

its not extreme when practiced privately.

he's extreme in that he constantly tries to legislate it


How to VP's introduce legislation?

[spurraider21]

How to VP's introduce legislation?
by that logic a VP cannot be left or right because they dont impact legislation

i'm looking at his political track record

[Millennial_Messiah]

If I had a gun to my head... I'd say both Obama and Trump are atheist, or agnostic at most.

Trump is particular is Trump-theist, IMO.

[FrostKing]

"I'm libertarian"

[Spurminator]

You put me in the right box, but I would point out that the "center" has moved left.

I would be a JFK voting Democrat in a different time.

:lol No you wouldn't, you'd be straight ticket Republican because of how much the beatniks, hippies and college demonstrators annoyed you.

[Spurminator]

How to VP's introduce legislation?

You know Mike Pence used to be a governor, right?

[DarrinS]

Let's pretend we don't remember Obama, Hillary, and Biden's views on same sex marriage just a few years back.

[koriwhat]

lol trying to paint us into a corner is exactly what the left loves to do. you're either with the radical loony left or you're a nazi! fucking losers!

[Mitch]

Wouldn't call a beto voter such as yourself "center right", Andy :lol

[koriwhat]

Let's pretend we don't remember Obama, Hillary, and Biden's views on same sex marriage just a few years back.

obama loves dick, hillary loves the nani, and biden loves alzheimers.

but yeah i get what you're hinting at... how about their stance on a border, kids in cages, etc? we all know the truth except the lefty's here like to turn a blind eye to the facts.

[DarrinS]

You know Mike Pence used to be a governor, right?

Did he enforce some Christian legislation?

[Blake]

I am right, always, but not right of center.

As long as you find the hole I'm sure he's happy

[spurraider21]

Let's pretend we don't remember Obama, Hillary, and Biden's views on same sex marriage just a few years back.
yeah, the ship has sailed on gay marriage, and yes, if you are viewing the political landscape through the lens of that one issue, then sure, it has shifted left

but once it became legalized/accepted and society and marriage didnt fall apart, all the people who opposed it because "its gross" or "its always been this way!" stopped caring

[koriwhat]

yeah, the ship has sailed on gay marriage, and yes, if you are viewing the political landscape through the lens of that one issue, then sure, it has shifted left

but once it became legalized/accepted and society and marriage didnt fall apart, all the people who opposed it because "its gross" or "its always been this way!" stopped caring

i doubt it but that's rad you have such a great imagination.

[spurraider21]

i doubt it but that's rad you have such a great imagination.
you dont have to take my word for it. how many people in congress right now are actively trying to make gay marriage illegal with the same ferocity previously aimed at keeping it illegal?

[Spurtacular]

https://i.gyazo.com/e249f0ad91722a9223ce8bcfbc774ba2.png

Yea, Google wouldn't mislead you, Lite.

[Trill Clinton]

Thanks for not including me. Not belonging is exactly where I wanted to be.:tu

This. Take me off the list, please.

[Blake]

Yea, Google wouldn't mislead you, Lite.

Do you really not understand what Google is?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Glad to not be included as well. Binary politics is something I reject.

[DarrinS]

yeah, the ship has sailed on gay marriage, and yes, if you are viewing the political landscape through the lens of that one issue, then sure, it has shifted left

but once it became legalized/accepted and society and marriage didnt fall apart, all the people who opposed it because "its gross" or "its always been this way!" stopped caring



I think it's just something the entire society finally accepted. Can't put an exact date on it.

[Spurtacular]

Do you really not understand what Google is?

Don't lash out, cuck.

[DarrinS]

Glad to not be included as well. Binary politics is something I reject.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBTt52jkP3U

[Millennial_Messiah]

"I'm libertarian"

Interesting watch (yes, the author is center left, but that's irrelevant):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6EHGTVr9w

[Blake]

muh comfort Hur dur

[spurraider21]

Yea, Google wouldn't mislead you, Lite.
im sure his rampant jew hating on top of that are just a coincidence :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You put me in the right box, but I would point out that the "center" has moved left.

I would be a JFK voting Democrat in a different time.

Name dropping bandwagoner tbh.

[Winehole23]

You put me in the right box, but I would point out that the "center" has moved left.

I would be a JFK voting Democrat in a different time.lol the Overton window is so far to the right, the Democratic party barely has a left wing.

Bernie doesn't count, he's DSA. In Europe he would be considered mildly right wing.

I guess I would count to y'all as left wing because I think mid 20th century levels of investment (a la the 1948 GOP platform, look it up) in education and public goods are appropriate.

[Spurtacular]

im sure his rampant jew hating on top of that are just a coincidence :lol

Have you ever considered how ultimately similar fascism and communism are?

[ElNono]

Yeah, I mean, the US is one of the last bastions of democratic conservatism, along with possibly the UK. While everywhere else I would agree I probably fall into the center, in the US I'm probably more towards the left, since I'm definitely socially liberal and frankly can't stand the fake, ass-backwards, conservative-religious right.

[FrostKing]

Interesting watch (yes, the author is center left, but that's irrelevant):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6EHGTVr9w
He actually jumps too quickly into 1772. One of the main reasons for the weakening of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (largest nation in Europe) was the constant invasions from the Baltic by the Swedes, labeled in Polish history "Deluge". I read an estimate that the Swedes destroyed upwards of 60% of our defensive structures (worse than Nazi or Soviets).

Everything else is explained well. I mean hey at-least we have sea and mountains. Czechs, Austrians, Hungarians or Swiss can't say that.

In June I am planning on visiting Gdańsk and Szczecin. My folks are considering retiring to Szczecin, it is a growing 2nd tier city and near my sister in Berlin (<2 hours by train).

[CosmicCowboy]

Let's pretend we don't remember Obama, Hillary, and Biden's views on same sex marriage just a few years back.

Hillary was against it even while Huma was slurping that nasty old pussy.

[rjv]

i'm really more of an anarcho-syndalism sympathizer.

[Trainwreck2100]

Center right? Do I come off as right?

[koriwhat]

Glad to not be included as well. Binary politics is something I reject.

you're a faggot far lefty and we all know it.

[Isitjustme?]

:lol


reagan was considered far right and he'd be a RINO today

obama was called far left and governed center-right. his evil socialist healthcare was taken from bob dole and mitt romney

this obamacare is a rightwinger plan is silly. It was really only the individual mandate that had anything to do with rightwing ideas. Things like protecting pre-existing conditions, medicaid expansion, ending rescission, ending lifetime coverage caps, etc. are solidly leftwing if you are looking at reforming health insurance vs eliminating it

[Reck]

Center right? Do I come off as right?

Liking (Or voting) Hillary, Obama or Biden makes you one here. That's what I get anyways.

[spurraider21]

this obamacare is a rightwinger plan is silly. It was really only the individual mandate that had anything to do with rightwing ideas. Things like protecting pre-existing conditions, medicaid expansion, ending rescission, ending lifetime coverage caps, etc. are solidly leftwing if you are looking at reforming health insurance vs eliminating it
the ban on denying coverage for pre-exisitng condition was included in the 90s republican plan too. also in romneycare. romneycare also subsidized low earners, tho yeah, not through medicaid expansion

[Winehole23]

i'm really more of an anarcho-syndicalism sympathizer.I could see considering voluntary association and alternatives to electoral politics if Trump wins, because if he does, I don't believe the Democratic party will survive.

I hope I'm wrong about that, but I could see anarcho-syndicalism or something like it coming back around to collect everyone lwft behind by the fecal duopoly of US politics.

[Will Hunting]

this obamacare is a rightwinger plan is silly. It was really only the individual mandate that had anything to do with rightwing ideas. Things like protecting pre-existing conditions, medicaid expansion, ending rescission, ending lifetime coverage caps, etc. are solidly leftwing if you are looking at reforming health insurance vs eliminating it
The point is that the Republican Party has gotten so off the rails that extremely basic things like protecting people with pre existing conditions has become a partisan issue.

[koriwhat]

if Trump wins...I don't believe the Democratic party will survive.

lets all hope that's the case! :tu

[Blake]

:cheer lets all hope that's the case! :cheer :tu

[koriwhat]

the estrogen runs strong in blaKKKe... you go girl!

[Blake]

:cheer you go girl! :cheer

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBTt52jkP3U

:lol

[Spurtacular]

The point is that the Republican Party has gotten so off the rails that extremely basic things like protecting people with pre existing conditions has become a partisan issue.

Agree. Dems are very partisan in their deception. Trump and Repubs have said over and over again that they are for protecting person with per-existing conditions.

[Reck]

Agree. Dems are very partisan in their deception. Trump and Repubs have said over and over again that they are for protecting person with per-existing conditions.

How are you agreeing with Hunting when he's making a different point than you?

[Blake]

How are you agreeing with Hunting when he's making a different point than you?

:lol

[Spurtacular]

things like protecting people with pre existing conditions has become a partisan issue.


Agree. Dems are very partisan in their deception. Trump and Repubs have said over and over again that they are for protecting person with per-existing conditions.


How are you agreeing with Hunting when he's making a different point than you?


:lol

:lol Blake and Reck
:lol Yoke

[Reck]

Post the whole quote if you're gonna do it.

[Spurtacular]

Post the whole quote if you're gonna do it.

I posted that Will was wrong. That caused you to cry.

[Millennial_Messiah]

the ban on denying coverage for pre-exisitng condition was included in the 90s republican plan too. also in romneycare. romneycare also subsidized low earners, tho yeah, not through medicaid expansion

the only thing I hated was the individual mandate crap, that was conscription just like the draft and jury duty, all three are unconstitutional and should be illegal

[Spurtacular]

the only thing I hated was the individual mandate crap, that was conscription just like the draft and jury duty, all three are unconstitutional and should be illegal

Chumpettes are fine with that. They're very jealous of what other people have and want the collective.

Ironically, they somehow don't want Commie Cuck.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chumpettes are fine with that. They're very jealous of what other people have and want the collective.

Ironically, they somehow don't want Commie Cuck.

Conscription is anti-freedom. Either you're a free country or you're not. If you have a draft or a "Selective Service" which, if you don't sign up for, you can't go to college (only for us MALES, which is far more sexist than anything women have suffered through) then you're NOT a free country.

[Spurtacular]

Conscription is anti-freedom. Either you're a free country or you're not. If you have a draft or a "Selective Service" which, if you don't sign up for, you can't go to college (only for us MALES, which is far more sexist than anything women have suffered through) then you're NOT a free country.

Chumpettes don't care about real freedom. It's why they don't worry about stuff like government spying.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chumpettes don't care about real freedom. It's why they don't worry about stuff like government spying.

a real free country would boycott/sanction and cease all relations with China over the way their commietard government fucking stalks their people all the way down to the "social credit score" crap... what kind of humanity is that?

[Spurtacular]

a real free country would boycott/sanction and cease all relations with China over the way their commietard government fucking stalks their people all the way down to the "social credit score" crap... what kind of humanity is that?

One based on supporting an oligarchy. It's what the Chumpettes like as long as they're getting their crumbs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Agree. Dems are very partisan in their deception. Trump and Repubs have said over and over again that they are for protecting person with per-existing conditions.

That's what Trump and Republicans say but you know they don't really mean it :lol. If you actually believe them then you are very naive.

https://youtu.be/xHhG0XwOFBo

https://youtu.be/YG3wIqGWU8I

[Millennial_Messiah]

One based on supporting an oligarchy. It's what the Chumpettes like as long as they're getting their crumbs.

i'm all for putting the North Korea treatment on China. It's the exact same kind of government just on a larger scale and they are too big to be ignored economically, but what happens when all US companies stop production/business with china overnight? What happens to their economy then?

If you buy anything with a "made in china" label, you're legally a communist supporter and therefore a communist tbh.

[Spurtacular]

https://youtu.be/YG3wIqGWU8I

A case brought by states, not the Trump admin. Very misleading of your boy, Kyle.

[Spurtacular]

If you buy anything with a "made in china" label, you're legally a communist supporter and therefore a communist tbh.

To be clear, is this stance far-right or far-left?

[TheGreatYacht]

i'm all for putting the North Korea treatment on China. It's the exact same kind of government just on a larger scale and they are too big to be ignored economically, but what happens when all US companies stop production/business with china overnight? What happens to their economy then?

If you buy anything with a "made in china" label, you're legally a communist supporter and therefore a communist tbh.
Just like we should boycott and sanction Israel :tu.

I buy most of my stuff at Walmart cuz it's cheap. If our own country or government can somehow produce their own shit and sell for cheaper price than Chinese goods then I'll gladly buy American goods. Same reason most Americans buy shit made from China cuz that's what they can afford.

BTW I only buy non-leather products at Walmart to save a few dogs and cats from being skinned alive.

[TheGreatYacht]

A case brought by states, not the Trump admin. Very misleading of your boy, Kyle.

You said Trump and the GOP. Those states are Republican states. Your statement was misleading as well. I still think Trump is lying his ass off when he says that he wants to protect preexisting conditons just like he lied that he would replace Obamacare with something better.

[Spurtacular]

You said Trump and the GOP. Those states are Republican states. Your statement was misleading as well. I still think Trump is lying his ass off when he says that he wants to protect preexisting conditons just like he lied that he would replace Obamacare with something better.

I referred generally to Repubs on the national level. Going against per-existing conditions is an L for them. They've been pretty consistent against it.

States trying not to be fiscally crushed by federal mandates is nothing new.

[spurraider21]

I'm for national socialism. I don't know if that's left or right since both sides like to accuse each other of being nazis.


https://i.gyazo.com/e249f0ad91722a9223ce8bcfbc774ba2.png

[Millennial_Messiah]

To be clear, is this stance far-right or far-left?

Pro freedom tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Just like we should boycott and sanction Israel :tu.

I buy most of my stuff at Walmart cuz it's cheap. If our own country or government can somehow produce their own shit and sell for cheaper price than Chinese goods then I'll gladly buy American goods. Same reason most Americans buy shit made from China cuz that's what they can afford.

BTW I only buy non-leather products at Walmart to save a few dogs and cats from being skinned alive.

No. Buy US made stuff, regardless of store. Pay the extra dollar(s) to buy stuff NOT made in China. If you can't afford it, do without it.

[BD24]

This is fucking sad Andy. Jesus Christ dude, I feel bad for you

[Spurtacular]

Pro freedom tbh.

So is pro freedom far left or far right?

[Millennial_Messiah]

So is pro freedom far left or far right?

It's farrakhan & I'm drunk

its neither right nor left its only human.

[Spurtacular]

It's farrakhan & I'm drunk

its neither right nor left its only human.

Interesting that you don't want to apply your polarizing designations to yourself. :lol

[Blake]

Guitardude getting shit on by Derp :lol

https://i.gifer.com/JMyv.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

You put me in the right box, but I would point out that the "center" has moved left.

I would be a JFK voting Democrat in a different time.

You're a neocon. Plain and simple.

[LkrFan]

Thanks for not including me. Not belonging is exactly where I wanted to be.:tu

This :tu