Maradona, 1986 semi-finals vs Belgium

[dunkman]

Up to this point Belgium was going strong, 4 years earlier they defeated Argentina 1:0 in the opening game of España 82.

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Never thought it would come the time when someone that didn’t win something really outstanding, like Messi, would be considered better. Barcelona always has the best players in la liga and most of the time in Europe, they would have some silverware with or without Messi.

Maradona played various good games at World Cups. Versus Hungary in 82, vs England and Germany in 86, vs Brazil and Italy in 90, that time playing with a bad ankle, like attacking midfield and not as forward.

[lefty]

GOAT doing GOAT things

[140]

:wow:wow:wow

[ElNono]

Diego was great, tbh, but to be fair he was playing Belgium...

[DAF86]

Up to this point Belgium was going strong, 4 years earlier they defeated Argentina 1:0 in the opening game of España 82.

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Never thought it would come the time when someone that didn’t win something really outstanding, like Messi, would be considered better. Barcelona always has the best players in la liga and most of the time in Europe, they would have some silverware with or without Messi.

Maradona played various good games at World Cups. Versus Hungary in 82, vs England and Germany in 86, vs Brazil and Italy in 90, that time playing with a bad ankle, like attacking midfield and not as forward.

Of course this wasn't really going to be a Maradona thread, but a Messi one. :lol

In what World is the CL not outstanding? :lol I get the hystorical and nostalgic meaning of the WC but nowadays the CL is the real ultimate football trophy in terms of talent and level of difficulty. Most top clubs would beat the leaving shit out of most top NT teams.

[dunkman]

Of course this wasn't really going to be a Maradona thread, but a Messi one. :lol

In what World is the CL not outstanding? :lol I get the hystorical and nostalgic meaning of the WC but nowadays the CL is the real ultimate football trophy in terms of talent and level of difficulty. Most top clubs would beat the leaving shit out of most top NT teams.

By that logic, Messi and Cristiano would find it much easier to shine on a mundial then, because of their individual quality and given that the teams they play aren't that good defending like in the Champions League.

[DAF86]

By that logic, Messi and Cristiano would find it much easier to shine on a mundial then, because of their individual quality and given that the teams they play aren't that good defending like in the Champions League.

The teams they play for are much worse too. Everything evens out for the worse.

[dunkman]

Diego was great, tbh, but to be fair he was playing Belgium...

I found another semi-final vs Italy, at Italy 90:

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Italy always field good NT’s, at that time Serie A was the best league. I’m sure it wasn’t easy to play Italy at home. Injured Maradona leading his team to the final.

Before the game few gave Argentina any chance.

Cani made a stupid hand ball at mid court in an insignificant play, which was his second yellow and suspension for the final. Who knows what would have happened otherwise.

Maradona made most of his goals for the NT at mundiales and important official games. He assisted a lot too.

[ElNono]

I found another semi-final vs Italy, at Italy 90:

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Italy always field good NT’s, at that time Serie A was the best league. I’m sure it wasn’t easy to play Italy at home. Injured Maradona leading his team to the final.

Before the game few gave Argentina any chance.

Cani made a stupid hand ball at mid court in an insignificant play, which was his second yellow and suspension for the final. Who knows what would have happened otherwise.

Maradona made most of his goals for the NT at mundiales and important official games. He assisted a lot too.

:lol that team was horrible to watch, tbh... nothing like '86. But they managed to go all the way to the Final. Bilardo was a GOAT coach, tbh...

[dunkman]

:lol that team was horrible to watch, tbh... nothing like '86. But they managed to go all the way to the Final. Bilardo was a GOAT coach, tbh...

Never saw such a bad team reach the finals. Maradona had a shot ankle. The only good thing was that Caniggia was the fastest player of all time, and very skilled too.

For México ‘86, Argentina barely classified. There was some luck too with the opponents. Bilardo also made the team overachieve, but Diego was the best with quite some margin.

Argentina took far better Brazil out, also favourites Italy, in Italy 90. In the final, that penalty that Germany won the championship with, didn’t really exist. It seems that FIFA didn’t want a penalty shootout and basically handed over the victory to Germany.

[ElNono]

Never saw such a bad team reach the finals. Maradona had a shot ankle. The only good thing was that Caniggia was the fastest player of all time, and very skilled too.

For México ‘86, Argentina barely classified. There was some luck too with the opponents. Bilardo also made the team overachieve, but Diego was the best with quite some margin.

Argentina took far better Brazil out, also favourites Italy, in Italy 90. In the final, that penalty that Germany won the championship with, didn’t really exist. It seems that FIFA didn’t want a penalty shootout and basically handed over the victory to Germany.

That 90's team was a defensive powerhouse, and extremely disciplined tactically. That's all it had going for it, the offense was basically Caniggia for the counter.

IIRC, we won two rounds through penalty shootouts. It was really an ugly team to watch, tactical fouls all the time, etc. That match against Brazil, they hit the post like 3 times, and we attacked once the whole game and scored.

It was a much different team from '86, tbh. The '86 team was not only tactically disciplined, it had a great midfield, and the left and right backs attacked a lot and very well. Sure, Diego was stellar, but the team overall had more of an offensive game.

[DAF86]

How I wished Messi had a coach the caliber of Bilardo during his run. The closest he got was, Bilardo's understudy, Sabella and reached the WC final during a bad, injury ridden season.

[lefty]

Excuses excuses

Messi is a certified choker and he is not a leader, accept it and move on

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Maradonna was never ever as consistent as messi throughout his career

Maradonna has a supporting cast that also actually showed up.

Even if maradonna played just OK Argentina could still win back then, if Messi is just OK, Argentina don’t even qualify for the World Cup.

[lefty]

That’s beta talk tbh

He took his big dick out when it mattered, not against Llevante :lol

Missi got outscored in the Clasico by a teenager and a dude who played 1 minute this season :lol

And yes his supporting cast showed up, but that’s because he was a leader.
Messi doesn’t inspire his teammates

[140]

That’s beta talk tbh

He took his big dick out when it mattered, not against Llevante :lol

Outscored in the Clasico by a teenager and a dude who played 1 minute this season :lol

And yes his supporting cast showed up, but that’s because he was a leader.
Messi doesn’t inspire his teammates

[Bynumite]

If Messi is just OK, Argentina don’t even qualify for the World Cup.

You gotta come up with something new because you're not making any sense :lol

Midget was pretty far from OK in the Copa America, he was in fact mediocre (1 group stage penalty/ 0 assists) and despite that Argentina still made the semi-final.

The notion that midget needs to be otherworldly for Argentina to make deep tournament runs, is nothing but midgetfan propaganda. See WC 14 and CA 19 for example.

[i'm_still_beta]

Diego played in deeper role. That's explains difference in goals and assists.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You gotta come up with something new because you're not making any sense :lol

Midget was pretty far from OK in the Copa America, he was in fact mediocre (1 group stage penalty/ 0 assists) and despite that Argentina still made the semi-final.

The notion that midget needs to be otherworldly for Argentina to make deep tournament runs, is nothing but midgetfan propaganda. See WC 14 and CA 19 for example.

Bullshit, messi was worst case a top 5 player in that WC, without him
They don’t get out of the group stage in 2014, those are facts. Their defense stepped up in the knockout rounds no question.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That’s beta talk tbh

He took his big dick out when it mattered, not against Llevante :lol

Missi got outscored in the Clasico by a teenager and a dude who played 1 minute this season :lol

And yes his supporting cast showed up, but that’s because he was a leader.
Messi doesn’t inspire his teammates

Messi has a hat trick in clasico at 18. A Madrid fun talking down to Messi is the most
Hilarious thing ever

Ronaldo doesn’t inspire shit. Even when he doesn’t play, Portugal have gone ten straight games without a loss. He’s just lucky as hell.

[lefty]

Messi has a hat trick in clasico at 18. A Madrid fun talking down to Messi is the most
Hilarious thing ever

Ronaldo doesn’t inspire shit. Even when he doesn’t play, Portugal have gone ten straight games without a loss. He’s just lucky as hell.
That was a long time ago dude
When he was being carried by Ronnie

Lol digging archives

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That was a long time ago dude
When he was being carried by Ronnie

Lol digging archives

Honestly with the way how shit the board is for Barca, it’s even tough to dig through the archives. (Same with the Spurs)

[140]

Ronaldo doesn’t inspire shit. Even when he doesn’t play, Portugal have gone ten straight games without a loss. He’s just lucky as hell.
https://i.imgur.com/BYzeyCa.png

:wow

[lefty]

https://i.imgur.com/BYzeyCa.png

:wow

This.

Plus the penalty shootout during the semis of the same tournament

Moutinho didn’t want to shoot because he was afraid to miss and CR went to get him and told him “look I’ve seen you shoot penalties and you’re good, and if you miss then fuck it!”

And Ronaldo was the 1st to shoot for Portugal and backed up his leadership by not Lionelmessing it
And then Moutinho scored his penalty later

Proof :

https://youtu.be/kVpMbokU06E

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This.

Plus the penalty shootout during the semis of the same tournament

Moutinho didn’t want to shoot because he was afraid to miss and CR went to get him and told him “look I’ve seen you shoot penalties and you’re good, and if you miss then fuck it!”

And Ronaldo was the 1st to shoot for Portugal and backed up his leadership by not Lionelmessing it
And then Moutinho scored his penalty later

Proof :

https://youtu.be/kVpMbokU06E

The guy who would sulk, bitch and moan every time Bale would score? He would always be one of the last when a teammate went over to celebrate? He's got a good PR team (even making things up like him using his hotels for hospitals during COVID 19)

He's no leader. You only hear about these stories when it works out. Where is his leadership when it comes to letting teammate take free kicks when he's one of the worst in the world at it? He's selfish.

[lefty]

He never did that regarding Bale, that was the media

Boy do I have a bridge to sell you

[Bynumite]

Imagine criticizing Ronaldo's leadership while being a fan of a guy who goes to the media twice, first to quit on his own country and years later to go on an anti-ref campaign :lol

Strong accountability by Lionel Harden :tu

[DAF86]

lol Sidenaldo cum guzzlers using Sidenaldo's "leadership" as a real argument. I thought that was just a trolling strategy :lmao

[lefty]

Imagine criticizing Ronaldo's leadership while being a fan of a guy who goes to the media twice, first to quit on his own country and years later to go on an anti-ref campaign :lol

Strong accountability by Lionel Harden :tu
This tbh :lol

[ElNono]

Diego shits on both, tbh

[Brazil]

Diego shits on both, tbh

Imagine Diego free of injuries, not coke loaded, with a good diet and today's training method...

[lefty]

Imagine Diego free of injuries, not coke loaded, with a good diet and today's training method...
40 ppg and 20 apg tbh

[Brazil]

40 ppg and 20 apg tbh

and 10 spg

[Spurtacular]

Bill Russell won 11 rings, and he is not GOAT.

Same reality for Mardona. He is not better than Messi. Sorry.

[lefty]

Bill Russell won 11 rings, and he is not GOAT.

Same reality for Mardona. He is not better than Messi. Sorry.
Yes he is lol

Led Napoli to a Scudetto against stong opposition and his only good teammate was Careca

Led his team to a WC with less talented teammates than Midget with strong leadership and clutch display against strong teams

Almost repeated in 1990

Son, leave this to the pros

[Spurtacular]

Yes he is lol

Led Napoli to a Scudetto against stong opposition and his only good teammate was Careca

Led his team to a WC with less talented teammates than Midget with strong leadership and clutch display against strong teams

Almost repeated in 1990

Son, leave this to the pros

He won on a handball.

Again, the competition back then compared to today is inferior too.

Messi could've dominated NCAA Division I soccer players too.

[lefty]

He won on a handball.

Again, the competition back then compared to today is inferior too.

Messi could've dominated NCAA Division I soccer players too.

It's funny because on the international stage, Messi shows up only against weak competition

DieGOAT had that handball but then followed up with the greatest goal of all time
Then in the semi-finals he scored both goals against Belgium which was one of the top European teams at the time
Then in the Final he had the assist on the game winner

Messi is a good player though

[dunkman]

Bill Russell won 11 rings, and he is not GOAT.

Same reality for Mardona. He is not better than Messi. Sorry.

Can't believe what my eyes are reading, did you saw him play?

He was named the best player of Mexico 86 UNANIMOUSLY. Won a WC with an average team, that barely classified. Led a bellow average team to a final at Italy 90. Won two scudettos with Napoli, at the time Serie A was by far the best football league. Never before or since has a team from south Italy won a scudetto. And competition from Juventus, Milan and Inter was tough to say the least.

Never, heard anyone, NEVER, not even once, question Diego's value as a player. From his days in Argentinos Junior's, trough his first stint in Boca, then Barcelona and finally Napoli, where his prime abruptly ended, Diego was nothing but pure electrifying magic, never seen anything similar.

It wasn't just outlandish skill, also toughness, opportunism and determination.

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Same as people questioned Pelé when Maradona was playing, some time from now, people will bring some arbitrary stats and comment how Ronaldo or Messi weren't really that good. Something like that already can be seen with Ronaldo Nazario.

[Spurtacular]

Can't believe what my eyes are reading, did you saw him play?

He was named the best player of Mexico 86 UNANIMOUSLY. Won a WC with an average team, that barely classified. Led a bellow average team to a final at Italy 90. Won two scudettos with Napoli, at the time Serie A was by far the best football league. Never before or since has a team from south Italy won a scudetto. And competition from Juventus, Milan and Inter was tough to say the least.

Never, heard anyone, NEVER, not even once, question Diego's value as a player. From his days in Argentinos Junior's, trough his first stint in Boca, then Barcelona and finally Napoli, where his prime abruptly ended, Diego was nothing but pure electrifying magic, never seen anything similar.

It wasn't just outlandish skill, also toughness, opportunism and determination.

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Same as people questioned Pelé when Maradona was playing, some time from now, people will bring some arbitrary stats and comment how Ronaldo or Messi weren't really that good. Something like that already can be seen with Ronaldo Nazario.

I caught his 90 act. He was good. And I don't question his value relative to the quality of the competition.

Messi is a more skilled player dominating against much better athletes.

[dunkman]

Maradona at World Cup 1986:

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[lefty]

:worthy:

So much ALPHAness, this man was a leader of men

omg I'm gonna c..

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