TNT Report: DeMar DeRozan to Opt Out if the Spurs Don't Give Him an Extension

[cjw]

NBA is signaling they don’t expect a big drop off in cap, so owners will be spending more than they’re typically used to.

Not sure how it impacts Spurs vis-a-vis other teams. You may see teams with bloated payrolls though try to dump guys into cap space. If they do that, it means less cap space a guy like Demar could sign into. I have a feeling that even if he walks, Spurs likely are able to structure a trade that brings back assets.

[exstatic]

NBA is signaling they don’t expect a big drop off in cap, so owners will be spending more than they’re typically used to.

Not sure how it impacts Spurs vis-a-vis other teams. You may see teams with bloated payrolls though try to dump guys into cap space. If they do that, it means less cap space a guy like Demar could sign into. I have a feeling that even if he walks, Spurs likely are able to structure a trade that brings back assets.

Assets make make money, and I guarantee that they won't be as good as he is. There's no point in dying the proverbial death of a thousand cuts. You let him walk, and you move on. We have assets already who have been stuck behind him, and they all need playing time next year.

[Prime BEEF]

Fck him,and his game,tbh. I hate his emo personality,and constant whining on the court. His hero ball/choking,and being able to let players get in his head so easily.Every spur player is a good teammate,wtf does that matter? Obviously the spurs fo is at fault,but they aint going anywhere so we might as well dump decancer
Yup

[Prime BEEF]

Nope, he's bad defender and has been for his career. This season he ranked 91st out of 98th in DRPM among SF's.
Damn. Yeah he’s bad

[YGWHI]

If or when NBA returns I swear I won't say anything bad about DeRozan/Spurs' FO/DJ's hoes/...

Damn I even miss Beli.

[slick'81]

If or when NBA returns I swear I won't say anything bad about DeRozan/Spurs' FO/DJ's hoes/...

Damn I even miss Beli.


Id take 10 more years of forbes if it meant getting back to normal. Hell id even co-sign a mills hefty exstension

[Genovaswitness]

If or when NBA returns I swear I won't say anything bad about DeRozan/Spurs' FO/DJ's hoes/...

Damn I even miss Beli.

I’d rather the NBA be canceled forever than see that piece of shit DeRozan suit up ever again for the spurs

[Prime BEEF]

I’d rather the NBA be canceled forever than see that piece of shit DeRozan suit up ever again for the spurs
lol

[cd98]

How do we know if we are even going to have a "next season"?

[Gibbz]

How do we know if we are even going to have a "next season"?

If it involves DeRozan and Forbes I'd rather the roni wipe us all out.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

So silly. Why be mad at DeRozan for choosing to get his money on a perfectly valid contract?

He didn’t ask to be traded. You want to be mad? Be mad at the brain trust of Pop, RC and Brian Wright for agreeing and pursuing that trade.

1) It’s his money and there is zero wrong with staying for the money. Beyond that, it’s not like he’s a bad person and causing public waves/issues. He’s been a good teammate and while I don’t like his game overall, he’s done what he can do. If he were being a d*ck? Sure, I can understand being mad. But he’s just doing what any rational person may do - explore his options.

2) Spurs if they don’t like it can control the situation. They choose NOT to trade him at the last deadline. Again, all angry arrows point back to Pop, RC and Brian Wright for their horrific handling of the trade (not the Kawhi part, but what they targeted and pursued and agreed to). If he does not opt out? They can trade him if they have the wherewithal to do so and he has absolutely zero say.

But this is all about the Spurs. Be mad at them, not DDR.

:tu




The alternative was to let Kawhi sit out for a year and get nothing for him in return. In retrospect that was probably the better option, but hindsight is 20/20.

Truth is, in the right environment DDR could be a good player. The Spurs just have a shitty roster. No defense, no shooting, Murray hasn't developed and LMA is starting to show his age a little bit.

Not all Demar's fault. He's usually the best player on this group of misfits most nights.

[DPG21920]

:tu




The alternative was to let Kawhi sit out for a year and get nothing for him in return. In retrospect that was probably the better option, but hindsight is 20/20.

Truth is, in the right environment DDR could be a good player. The Spurs just have a shitty roster. No defense, no shooting, Murray hasn't developed and LMA is starting to show his age a little bit.

Not all Demar's fault. He's usually the best player on this group of misfits most nights.

Yeah, Kawhi sitting out was a good option, but I think if SA pursued picks/youth they would have gotten a better deal. But at a minimum, they should have traded DeRozan after his first year. Now his value is lower due to his contract and how the Spurs flamed out with him.

But hopefully they can still get a first round pick out of him via trade (by taking on a bad contract for an extra year).

[look_at_g_shred]

Toronto trying to mend fences with DDR via Jeff Garcia. Not sure if that has any relevance of a homecoming.

[slick'81]

Anyone backing this pos is beyond help. Its like sticking with trump even though hes leading you to be slaughtered

[slick'81]

According to bleacher report spurs best blockbuster trade option for demar :lol





San Antonio Spurs receive: Frank Ntilikina, LAC 2020 first-round pick
New York Knicks receive: DeMar DeRozan
In mid-March, Chris Haynes (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-de-mar-de-rozan-intends-to-decline-277-m-option-if-he-cant-agree-to-extension-with-spurs-004545646.html) of Yahoo Sports reported that DeMar DeRozan planned to decline his $27.7 million player option in 2020-21 if he and the San Antonio Spurs don't reach an extension before then. He also reported the New York Knicks were "expected to be interested" if he does become a free agent.
The COVID-19 pandemic may make DeRozan think twice about opting out.
With the league facing upward of $1 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/03/21/coronavirus-could-cost-nba-1-billion-bring-about-record-salary-cap-drop/) in losses if it must cancel the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs, the 2020-21 salary cap could be in danger of falling below the latest $115 million projection (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2873875-report-updated-2020-21-nba-salary-cap-luxury-tax-projections-revealed). Only a handful of teams are projected to have cap room this summer either way, but a cap decline could further cut into their spending power.
If DeRozan opts in, the Knicks could still acquire him by offering Frank Ntilikina and the Clippers' 2020 first-round pick to the Spurs. He would immediately become their go-to offensive option and help them improve their 27th-ranked offense (https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1) while young players such as RJ Barrett, Dennis Smith Jr., Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson could slide into complementary roles.
Ntilikina and a late first-round pick may not seem like much for a former All-Star such as DeRozan, but the Spurs are quickly speeding toward a rebuild. Flipping him for anything beats losing him for nothing in free agency or overpaying him.

[Larry O]

�� This would be an interesting trade scenario if it did go through. Ntilikina, from what I read, is a 6-4 point guard with a 7-0 wingspan. He's not a prolific scorer, but it sounds like his assists are decent. Unsure of his defensive abilities, but with that wingspan, he could, with some good coaching, could possibly become a decent defensive player. But the bottom line is that it's another PG! I would guess to move DW4 into the starting lineup at the SG position, and put Ntilikina in the 2nd unit as the PG. At least with this scenario, the Spurs would have yet another first round pick (late), but as the article pointed out, this would add to what would seem to be a rebuild. When the Spurs eventually cross that �� it's gonna be interesting to see what they will actually do, but I have a feeling that it will be �� ��

[lmbebo]

According to bleacher report spurs best blockbuster trade option for demar :lol





San Antonio Spurs receive: Frank Ntilikina, LAC 2020 first-round pick
New York Knicks receive: DeMar DeRozan
In mid-March, Chris Haynes (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-de-mar-de-rozan-intends-to-decline-277-m-option-if-he-cant-agree-to-extension-with-spurs-004545646.html) of Yahoo Sports reported that DeMar DeRozan planned to decline his $27.7 million player option in 2020-21 if he and the San Antonio Spurs don't reach an extension before then. He also reported the New York Knicks were "expected to be interested" if he does become a free agent.
The COVID-19 pandemic may make DeRozan think twice about opting out.
With the league facing upward of $1 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/03/21/coronavirus-could-cost-nba-1-billion-bring-about-record-salary-cap-drop/) in losses if it must cancel the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs, the 2020-21 salary cap could be in danger of falling below the latest $115 million projection (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2873875-report-updated-2020-21-nba-salary-cap-luxury-tax-projections-revealed). Only a handful of teams are projected to have cap room this summer either way, but a cap decline could further cut into their spending power.
If DeRozan opts in, the Knicks could still acquire him by offering Frank Ntilikina and the Clippers' 2020 first-round pick to the Spurs. He would immediately become their go-to offensive option and help them improve their 27th-ranked offense (https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1) while young players such as RJ Barrett, Dennis Smith Jr., Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson could slide into complementary roles.
Ntilikina and a late first-round pick may not seem like much for a former All-Star such as DeRozan, but the Spurs are quickly speeding toward a rebuild. Flipping him for anything beats losing him for nothing in free agency or overpaying him.



I'd rather let him walk than take that crap back.

[DPG21920]

I'd rather let him walk than take that crap back.

No way. A first and a prospect? I’m totally great with that. Not some amazing package but it’s way better than keeping him or losing him for nothing.

Knicks being able to *possibly take on DDR $ and only send back 4-6M player is great too.

I can see NY doing this IF they whiff on plan A, B and C maybe.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

No way. A first and a prospect? I’m totally great with that. Not some amazing package but it’s way better than keeping him or losing him for nothing.

Knicks being able to *possibly take on DDR $ and only send back 4-6M player is great too.

I can see NY doing this IF they whiff on plan A, B and C maybe.

I agree it's an OK return, however, the whole scenario is a gnsf-trade-thread-special. First of all this trade wouldn't happen on draft night for a million reasons. Meaning the Spurs wouldn't be picking the player with the LAC 2020 1st but the Knicks would. Meaning the Spurs would have to like that player and wait for a couple of months until he's actually trade eligible on his rookie deal (just like Cavs - Minnesota had to wait before trading Love for Wiggins). Meaning the Knicks would have to sit on their cap space and not use it and wait for the trade to be eligible. Yeah no.

Not to mention the bad blood between the Spurs and NY front offices which makes any such trades highly unlikely.

[pad300]

I would do that (Ntilikina and a first) for Derozan, but I agree with BG that's it's probably DOA in NY.

[DPG21920]

I agree it's an OK return, however, the whole scenario is a gnsf-trade-thread-special. First of all this trade wouldn't happen on draft night for a million reasons. Meaning the Spurs wouldn't be picking the player with the LAC 2020 1st but the Knicks would. Meaning the Spurs would have to like that player and wait for a couple of months until he's actually trade eligible on his rookie deal (just like Cavs - Minnesota had to wait before trading Love for Wiggins). Meaning the Knicks would have to sit on their cap space and not use it and wait for the trade to be eligible. Yeah no.

Not to mention the bad blood between the Spurs and NY front offices which makes any such trades highly unlikely.

Agree lol. That’s why I put an Asterisk*

[cd021]

No way. A first and a prospect? I’m totally great with that. Not some amazing package but it’s way better than keeping him or losing him for nothing.

Knicks being able to *possibly take on DDR $ and only send back 4-6M player is great too.

I can see NY doing this IF they whiff on plan A, B and C maybe.

They want a star and apparently view DDR as a star. They have enough cap to sign him outright, even with a $8-15 ,million reduction in the cap, in the off-season. The reason why a trade would make sense is because DDR isn't going to want to give up almost $28 million. A Clippers first and Ntilikina would a steal for the Spurs and something the Knicks would probably do tbh.

[spurrunner]

According to bleacher report spurs best blockbuster trade option for demar :lol





San Antonio Spurs receive: Frank Ntilikina, LAC 2020 first-round pick
New York Knicks receive: DeMar DeRozan
In mid-March, Chris Haynes (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-de-mar-de-rozan-intends-to-decline-277-m-option-if-he-cant-agree-to-extension-with-spurs-004545646.html) of Yahoo Sports reported that DeMar DeRozan planned to decline his $27.7 million player option in 2020-21 if he and the San Antonio Spurs don't reach an extension before then. He also reported the New York Knicks were "expected to be interested" if he does become a free agent.
The COVID-19 pandemic may make DeRozan think twice about opting out.
With the league facing upward of $1 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/03/21/coronavirus-could-cost-nba-1-billion-bring-about-record-salary-cap-drop/) in losses if it must cancel the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs, the 2020-21 salary cap could be in danger of falling below the latest $115 million projection (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2873875-report-updated-2020-21-nba-salary-cap-luxury-tax-projections-revealed). Only a handful of teams are projected to have cap room this summer either way, but a cap decline could further cut into their spending power.
If DeRozan opts in, the Knicks could still acquire him by offering Frank Ntilikina and the Clippers' 2020 first-round pick to the Spurs. He would immediately become their go-to offensive option and help them improve their 27th-ranked offense (https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1) while young players such as RJ Barrett, Dennis Smith Jr., Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson could slide into complementary roles.
Ntilikina and a late first-round pick may not seem like much for a former All-Star such as DeRozan, but the Spurs are quickly speeding toward a rebuild. Flipping him for anything beats losing him for nothing in free agency or overpaying him.


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[Genovaswitness]

I wish we had another amnesty to spend of this piece of shit

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeVorkunov/status/1257017575399206915

[TD 21]

I agree it's an OK return, however, the whole scenario is a gnsf-trade-thread-special. First of all this trade wouldn't happen on draft night for a million reasons. Meaning the Spurs wouldn't be picking the player with the LAC 2020 1st but the Knicks would. Meaning the Spurs would have to like that player and wait for a couple of months until he's actually trade eligible on his rookie deal (just like Cavs - Minnesota had to wait before trading Love for Wiggins). Meaning the Knicks would have to sit on their cap space and not use it and wait for the trade to be eligible. Yeah no.


Not to mention the bad blood between the Spurs and NY front offices which makes any such trades highly unlikely.

They can agree in principle, then the Knicks can select whoever the Spurs want.

Since this would likely qualify as their big move, they'd probably prioritize it with their cap space. If not, they could offer the Mavericks '21 1st, that they own, instead. That draft is supposed to be loaded.

They just named a new president.



They want a star and apparently view DDR as a star. They have enough cap to sign him outright, even with a $8-15 ,million reduction in the cap, in the off-season. The reason why a trade would make sense is because DDR isn't going to want to give up almost $28 million. A Clippers first and Ntilikina would a steal for the Spurs and something the Knicks would probably do tbh.

I don't see how it's a steal, but it probably and unfortunately is, DeRozan's market value.

Ntilikina is one of the worst offensive players in the league, but at going on 22, with superior physical tools (6'-5'' 197 7'-0'') to defend 1-3, if he ever becomes so much as a credible spot up 3-point shooter, he could become a valuable role player on a good team. If not, he probably becomes Carter-Williams.

I'm not really interested in him, but he'd open up more possibilities. Either re-route him for an early 2nd in '20 or '21 or retain him and it becomes easier to trade White.

[Prime BEEF]

Would the bulls trade LaVine, OPJ and 2020 1st Rd pick for Murray, Walker, DDR and 2020 2nd Rd pick?

spurs could then pickup Haliburton with the 7th and Vassell (or whomever) with the 11th. To me that deal seems pretty fair to both teams and definitely improves the spurs. Doubt the FO makes any trades though.

Haliburton/White
Lavine/KJ/Mills
OPJ/Vassell
Lyles/Gay
LMA/Poetl

[Ignazzz]

Terrible idea

[cd021]

I don't see how it's a steal, but it probably and unfortunately is, DeRozan's market value.

Ntilikina is one of the worst offensive players in the league, but at going on 22, with superior physical tools (6'-5'' 197 7'-0'') to defend 1-3, if he ever becomes so much as a credible spot up 3-point shooter, he could become a valuable role player on a good team. If not, he probably becomes Carter-Williams.

I'm not really interested in him, but he'd open up more possibilities. Either re-route him for an early 2nd in '20 or '21 or retain him and it becomes easier to trade White.

It is in the sense that DDR doesn't fit with the Spurs and their future.

1. Spurs get off of DeRozan
2. Get a first rounder- A late first, but still a first.
3. A decent enough prospect as a throw-in

All things considered, that's a good deal, especially if there aren't other teams interested in dealing for DeRozan. Its not certainly maximum value but it recoups some value and kick starts the Spurs rebuild.

[CGD]

The Rona has changed everything. Zero incentive to think about long term deals right now for anyone. Players kinda fucked. But to be very fair management also thinking about staying afloat, which is probably in part why spurs ownership selling minority stake to raise $$.

[Em-City]

how the hell would Ntilikina work with guys like murray and white (i.e. not elite shooters)

[lmbebo]

how the hell would Ntilikina work with guys like murray and white (i.e. not elite shooters)

Would rather take a flyer on a player like Knox ...

[LCM]

DeRozan's value is in the $28 million that will come off the payroll of whatever team he plays for next year. The salary cap is going to go down from the projected 115 million/139 million lux tax for 2020/21 season. There are many thoughts over how much, and when will we know, but until there are games or Silver pulls the plug, the exact amount is speculative talk. But the direction the cap will go isn't speculation. It's going down. DeRozan will opt in. He isn't getting that money anywhere else, and he will never be offered that kind of money again.

The team that gets him is going to want the cap flexibility to be a potential player in the 2021 FA market with all the big names available. Greek Freak, AD, KL, Paul George, LeBron ... there isn't a player that is going to do an extension (because the max money per year will be less this summer than in the summer of 2021) or opt out of a player option that is over $15 million this offseason (unless you really want to play for the Hawks, Hornets, or Knicks).

The Spurs could have this off there books next summer:
DD - $28 million
LMA - $24 million
PM - $13 million
RG - $14.5 million
DC - $6 million
TL - $5 million
Estimated 90.5 million dollars!

Trade DD and LMA for players/picks that can help your team! Invest that 52 million in payroll wisely this offseason because you're still going to have 38.5 million to pay your own players and find affordable free agents next summer. You can take advantage of clubs who could get caught in a bad position with their salary caps when the new figures come out, and there will be affordable free agents in 2021 after the premium players suck a lot of money out of the initial market.

You can get way more than Franky Smokes or Kevin Knox in return for DeRozan. And, if you can't, then everyone in the organization should be fired.

[exstatic]

Wilson Chandler
Trevor Ariza
Danillo Galinari
Hardaway Jr.
Channing Frye

What do all of these players have in common? They went on to develop, and turn into better players when they Escaped From New York. Ntilikina isn't even 22 yet, and I watched him just STONE Westbrook one game. He also grew an inch and a half his first season, and is now about 6'6". I'd like to see them give him run at the 3, see if you can turn him into Batum. He could turn into a nice surprise like Lyles, another lottery reclamation project. If he doesn't work out, you don't submit at QO next summer. No harm, no foul.

Imagine if you could get a younger more raw Bowen at 21, instead of 30.

[exstatic]

DeRozan's value is in the $28 million that will come off the payroll of whatever team he plays for next year. The salary cap is going to go down from the projected 115 million/139 million lux tax for 2020/21 season. There are many thoughts over how much, and when will we know, but until there are games or Silver pulls the plug, the exact amount is speculative talk. But the direction the cap will go isn't speculation. It's going down. DeRozan will opt in. He isn't getting that money anywhere else, and he will never be offered that kind of money again.

The team that gets him is going to want the cap flexibility to be a potential player in the 2021 FA market with all the big names available. Greek Freak, AD, KL, Paul George, LeBron ... there isn't a player that is going to do an extension (because the max money per year will be less this summer than in the summer of 2021) or opt out of a player option that is over $15 million this offseason (unless you really want to play for the Hawks, Hornets, or Knicks).

The Spurs could have this off there books next summer:
DD - $28 million
LMA - $24 million
PM - $13 million
RG - $14.5 million
DC - $6 million
TL - $5 million
Estimated 90.5 million dollars!

Trade DD and LMA for players/picks that can help your team! Invest that 52 million in payroll wisely this offseason because you're still going to have 38.5 million to pay your own players and find affordable free agents next summer. You can take advantage of clubs who could get caught in a bad position with their salary caps when the new figures come out, and there will be affordable free agents in 2021 after the premium players suck a lot of money out of the initial market.

You can get way more than Franky Smokes or Kevin Knox in return for DeRozan. And, if you can't, then everyone in the organization should be fired.

No team is going to trade their cap space, and just absorb either of LMA or DD's contracts, let alone do that AND send something of value back. It's a shit FA class this summer anyway.

[LCM]

I'm not saying other teams absorb their salaries. Trade for other players. Get better player fits for this team. If the new contracts of those new players run past 2021, who cares?? How many premium free agents choose the Spurs anyway?? Trade for players who are talented, but whose contracts run passed 2021. Let that be your free agency push. And if those players have a positive effect, you get back in the playoff picture, you will still have potentially 38.5 million to look at free agents or resign your own players in 2021 offseason.

Teams could be so fixated on their team's cap space for the 2021 FA class, use that against them with a 28 million and 24 million dollar carrot to entice them with and get better players for the Spurs. That's what I'm saying.

[TD 21]

It is in the sense that DDR doesn't fit with the Spurs and their future.

1. Spurs get off of DeRozan
2. Get a first rounder- A late first, but still a first.
3. A decent enough prospect as a throw-in

All things considered, that's a good deal, especially if there aren't other teams interested in dealing for DeRozan. Its not certainly maximum value but it recoups some value and kick starts the Spurs rebuild.

That's a last resort type package. I'd rather attempt to expand it to a 3 team trade . . .

To Pistons: White, 11, 27
To Knicks: DeRozan
To Spurs: Ntilikina, 5, Thomas

[JuneJive]

Bottom line, do you guys see a way the Spurs do business with the Knicks?

Imho, no.

[Maddog]

Bottom line, do you guys see a way the Spurs do business with the Knicks?

Imho, no.

With the history no.
I also really can't see anyone wanting him.
His age, skill set salry. Only option is if someone wants to rebuild and have you take on long term contracts.
The Spurs have maxed out his efficiency and he still doesn't move the needle much.

[exstatic]

With the history no.
I also really can't see anyone wanting him.
His age, skill set salry. Only option is if someone wants to rebuild and have you take on long term contracts.
The Spurs have maxed out his efficiency and he still doesn't move the needle much.

At this point, the Knicks are the ugly girl at the dance. If they want to get a pretty good player, they’d be willing to do it by hook or by crook. If he opts in, I can totally see them calling SA. I’d be willing to do anything involving a young player or draft pick, and contracts that don’t run past next summer. He needs to be gone.

[Maddog]

At this point, the Knicks are the ugly girl at the dance. If they want to get a pretty good player, they’d be willing to do it by hook or by crook. If he opts in, I can totally see them calling SA. I’d be willing to do anything involving a young player or draft pick, and contracts that don’t run past next summer. He needs to be gone.
I wouldn't give up a young player or picks. His contract expires at the end of theyear

[bluebellmaniac]

Ntilikina is 22. Where would he be drafted if he was just getting drafted this year?

He's actually 21, will be 22 in July.

[exstatic]

I wouldn't give up a young player or picks. His contract expires at the end of theyear

How else are the Knicks going to get a player who was a multi time All Star and All NBA? They’ve struck out again, and again, and again. Someone mentioned that NY has the Clippers pick, which would be #27. Package that with Ntilikina, a player they’ve been reportedly trying to move, and maybe Harkless as a salary offset so that DD doesn’t absorb all of their caproom. It’s not a huge haul for either team, but we get rid of DeRozan and get a prospect to evaluate who is already there defensively plus a late first rounder, and they get a shot at having a star maybe stay after this year.

[Dverde]

Bottom line, do you guys see a way the Spurs do business with the Knicks?

Imho, no.

Nope. Especially if New York would be getting the “better player” right away

[exstatic]

Nope. Especially if New York would be getting the “better player” right away

Depends on your version of the better player. DeRozan has proven to be a terrible fit here, and he makes a shitload of money. He will NOT be on the team after the following season. I’d rather offload him, take on a prospect on an ending contract, another ending contract, and maybe a late first rounder. Just getting RID of DeRozan ads weight to the deal. It opens up playing time for Keldon, Lonnie, White, and DJ.

[bluebellmaniac]

Depends on your version of the better player. DeRozan has proven to be a terrible fit here, and he makes a shitload of money. He will NOT be on the team after the following season. I’d rather offload him, take on a prospect on an ending contract, another ending contract, and maybe a late first rounder. Just getting RID of DeRozan ads weight to the deal. It opens up playing time for Keldon, Lonnie, White, and DJ.

A lot of positives for moving him.

[Ocotillo]

Dolan is still the owner but a lot of the Knicks management has turned over recently. Maybe they will be more open to dealing with the Spurs?

[dbestpro]

DDR is not going anywhere. Salary cap issues are going to be a big deal over the next couple years and DDR will be lucky to make half as much somewhere else.

[cd021]

That's a last resort type package. I'd rather attempt to expand it to a 3 team trade . . .

To Pistons: White, 11, 27
To Knicks: DeRozan
To Spurs: Ntilikina, 5, Thomas


I like that trade tbh.

-Knicks keep their pick plus get DDR and get rid of Ntilikina- who they probably see as a negative asset at this point.

-Pistons move their top five pick but get to extra assets to move back just six spots- including a PG that they desperately need.

-Spurs get Ntilikina, 5, and Thomas who is supposed to be a good defender. 5 is probably high enough to get them Avidija who can slot in as the starting 3 next season with Murray, Walker, Lyles and LMA alongside him in the SL.

[TD 21]

I like that trade tbh.

-Knicks keep their pick plus get DDR and get rid of Ntilikina- who they probably see as a negative asset at this point.

-Pistons move their top five pick but get to extra assets to move back just six spots- including a PG that they desperately need.

-Spurs get Ntilikina, 5, and Thomas who is supposed to be a good defender. 5 is probably high enough to get them Avidija who can slot in as the starting 3 next season with Murray, Walker, Lyles and LMA alongside him in the SL.

The biggest or most likely hurdle is probably the Knicks wanting DeRozan in the first place because he makes no sense for them.

That's the type of trade it'd probably take for the Spurs to move DeRozan though, where they can get back a possible core building block (and with the possible exception of Gordon, they probably can't straight up). Anything short of that and they probably foolishly play out next season and let him walk.

[MaNu4Tres]

It looks like a lot of people in this thread are shooting from the hip on hypotheticals in regards to DeMar -- thinking its a foregone conclusion he will opt in.

Hollinger and others have talked about how the NBA is expecting a 8-15 million reduction to the cap depending on if the season is salvaged ( 8 mil reduction) or not ( 15 mil reduction).

ALL players will have their salary proportionately reduced regardless ( not just FA's). I.E: If a player currently makes 10% of the current cap, he will continue making the same percentage of the new cap which would be a lower salary. So those thinking DeMar will opt in bc of economy, know that theres not a real incentive for DeMar to opt in if hes losing money next year regardless -- as will all players when salaries are all deducted proportionately. With this universal deduction in salary across the board with all players, the teams that are expected to have space will continue to have the same space relative to the percentage of the cap. Meaning there will be a market for free agents ( there has to be).

DeMar will still likely opt out and Spurs will be looking for a S&T deal.

[Collins21]

It looks like a lot of people in this thread are shooting from the hip on hypotheticals in regards to DeMar -- thinking its a foregone conclusion he will opt in.

Hollinger and others have talked about how the NBA is expecting a 8-15 million reduction to the cap depending on if the season is salvaged ( 8 mil reduction) or not ( 15 mil reduction).

ALL players will have their salary proportionately reduced regardless ( not just FA's). I.E: If a player currently makes 10% of the current cap, he will continue making the same percentage of the new cap which would be a lower salary. So those thinking DeMar will opt in bc of economy, know that theres not a real incentive for DeMar to opt in if hes losing money next year regardless -- as will all players when salaries are all deducted proportionately. With this universal deduction in salary across the board with all players, the teams that are expected to have space will continue to have the same space relative to the percentage of the cap. Meaning there will be a market for free agents ( there has to be).

DeMar will still likely opt out and Spurs will be looking for a S&T deal.

I live in Denver and I hear a few things from people in passing what if I told you that the Spurs were interested in bringing DeRozan back on a team friendly deal. Now I doubt he will take that considering he sees himself as a star but this overwhelming notion that the Spurs don't want the guy at all is not accurate. If DeMar wants to stay in San Antonio on the teams terms then he will be there. However since I don't see him taking a team friendly deal he's going to opt out. I could see DeMar going to the Magic in a sign and r=trade because there was at one time interest in him.I don't think DeMar will be in a Spurs uniform next year but it's not because the Spurs are just ready to kick him to the curb. I know y'all may not want to hear this but it's going to take them to totally blow up the team for them to let go of Aldridge from I heard they value him as a player and they really really like the guy.

[talkspurs]

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[talkspurs]

It looks like a lot of people in this thread are shooting from the hip on hypotheticals in regards to DeMar -- thinking its a foregone conclusion he will opt in.

Hollinger and others have talked about how the NBA is expecting a 8-15 million reduction to the cap depending on if the season is salvaged ( 8 mil reduction) or not ( 15 mil reduction).
ALL players will have their salary proportionately reduced regardless ( not just FA's). I.E: If a player currently makes 10% of the current cap, he will continue making the same percentage of the new cap which would be a lower salary. So those thinking DeMar will opt in bc of economy, know that theres not a real incentive for DeMar to opt in if hes losing money next year regardless -- as will all players when salaries are all deducted proportionately. With this universal deduction in salary across the board with all players, the teams that are expected to have space will continue to have the same space relative to the percentage of the cap. Meaning there will be a market for free agents ( there has to be).

DeMar will still likely opt out and Spurs will be looking for a S&T deal.



I dont think your correct on this. The Players sign contracts with an amount listed. It is reduced this year because of missed games. Part of the CBA allows for this if there is missed games. If no games are missed next year they would not be able to reduce it without the players consent. Players that would be effected would be players that sign either max extensions or rookies ads they are a portion of the up coming cap. Players already under max and under regular contracts would not be effected as teams would then be breaking a contract. There has been talk about waving the tax or reducing it for this next year so teams do not get hurt.

[exstatic]

It looks like a lot of people in this thread are shooting from the hip on hypotheticals in regards to DeMar -- thinking its a foregone conclusion he will opt in.

Hollinger and others have talked about how the NBA is expecting a 8-15 million reduction to the cap depending on if the season is salvaged ( 8 mil reduction) or not ( 15 mil reduction).

ALL players will have their salary proportionately reduced regardless ( not just FA's). I.E: If a player currently makes 10% of the current cap, he will continue making the same percentage of the new cap which would be a lower salary. So those thinking DeMar will opt in bc of economy, know that theres not a real incentive for DeMar to opt in if hes losing money next year regardless -- as will all players when salaries are all deducted proportionately. With this universal deduction in salary across the board with all players, the teams that are expected to have space will continue to have the same space relative to the percentage of the cap. Meaning there will be a market for free agents ( there has to be).

DeMar will still likely opt out and Spurs will be looking for a S&T deal.

NBA salaries are only tied to the cap at one time: the first year is set a percentage of the cap. After that, raises are already set, and the contract operates independent of the cap.

Think about it. If they fell with the cap, they'd actually have to rise with the cap, too. If that were the case, GS never would have been able to pull off what they did with Durant.

[Seventyniner]

I always thought it would be interesting to have salaries all be a percentage of the cap, with some cap smoothing provision to have the cap be tied to the previous 5 years of revenue rather than just the previous year. But I don't see both the players and owners agreeing to something like this, and I'm not sure how the soft cap/luxury tax stuff would work with this in place.

[gambit1990]

demar & la for oladipo & sabonis. throw in the spurs’ second round pick.

[gambit1990]

dipo turned down an extension from indy and teams are monitoring the situation.

[exstatic]

dipo turned down an extension from indy and teams are monitoring the situation.

That’s not the big deal that it used to be. Teams almost always try for at least a small discount. Even a full max extension isn’t as much as a new max contract would be, which is why players turn them down pretty regularly. He’ll still be a RFA, so they have the option to match any deal next summer.

[TD 21]

Thibodeau supposedly being the front runner for the Knicks job could just be because he was Rose's (new president and former agent) long time client, but he's not the type you hire to re-build.

Between that and his being old school, this probably bodes well for their potentially having interest in DeRozan. Can't imagine he'll be priority, but if they can't get anything significant accomplished he could be a fallback.

[Dejounte]

Thibodeau supposedly being the front runner for the Knicks job could just be because he was Rose's (new president and former agent) long time client, but he's not the type you hire to re-build.

Between that and his being old school, this probably bodes well for their potentially having interest in DeRozan. Can't imagine he'll be priority, but if they can't get anything significant accomplished he could be a fallback.

Take it. Swing a deal with OKC as well.

DeRozan for Knicks pick to draft Deni
Spurs pick to OKC for Steven Adams

Dejounte/ White
Lonnie/ Mills
Deni/ Keldon
Aldridge/ Samanic/ Lyles
Adams/ Poetl

[FutureMan]

Take it. Swing a deal with OKC as well.

DeRozan for Knicks pick to draft Deni
Spurs pick to OKC for Steven Adams

Dejounte/ White
Lonnie/ Mills
Deni/ Keldon
Aldridge/ Samanic/ Lyles
Adams/ Poetl


Knicks can sign DeRozan without giving up their pick.

[TD 21]

Take it. Swing a deal with OKC as well.

DeRozan for Knicks pick to draft Deni
Spurs pick to OKC for Steven Adams

Dejounte/ White
Lonnie/ Mills
Deni/ Keldon
Aldridge/ Samanic/ Lyles
Adams/ Poetl

The Knicks obviously aren't giving up the (projected) 6th pick for DeRozan. To get Avdija, it would have to be the type of 3 team trade I outlined.

Why would the Spurs want Adams when Poeltl is low key comparable, younger and will likely cost less than half the price? Aldridge can't defend "PF's" anymore and that starting lineup would have severe spacing issues.

In my trade they'd be left with . . .

Starters: Lyles, Avdija, Aldridge, Walker, Murray

Bench: Mills, Gay, Forbes, Poeltl, Ntilikina, Johnson

Deep bench: Eubanks, Thomas, Metu, Samanic, Weatherspoon

Obviously some t/o's, r and ufa's, non and partial guarantees to sort out. Leaves one spot on the 15 man (41st pick?), though they'd likely try to accommodate Aldridge and Gay with win now situations.

[TD 21]

I somehow missed a better, more obvious one, that eliminates the question of whether the Knicks would be interested in DeRozan (supposedly they now realize the obvious, which is that they need players that compliment Barrett) . . .

To Pistons: DeRozan, White, 11

To Spurs: Kennard, 5

Avdija/Johnson
Walker/Kennard
Murray/Mills

Much better fitting perimeter corps.

[FutureMan]

I somehow missed a better, more obvious one, that eliminates the question of whether the Knicks would be interested in DeRozan (supposedly they now realize the obvious, which is that they need players that compliment Barrett) . . .

To Pistons: DeRozan, White, 11

To Spurs: Kennard, 5

Avdija/Johnson
Walker/Kennard
Murray/Mills

Much better fitting perimeter corps.





Just like the Knicks they also don’t need to trade to get DeRozan. On their own they can have a rotation something to the effect of:

Hayes. Rose
Kennard. Snell
DeRozan. Doumbouya
Griffin.
Wood

[TD 21]

Just like the Knicks they also don’t need to trade to get DeRozan. On their own they can have a rotation something to the effect of:

Hayes. Rose
Kennard. Snell
DeRozan. Doumbouya
Griffin.
Wood

Sure, they could probably sign him . . . in a year. By that time, Rose could be gone and him and/or Griffin could fall off a cliff.

Obviously, this would hinge on them not being overly high on the prospects likely to be available at 5.

Also, fit is vital with DeRozan.

Griffin/Doumbouya
Snell/Mykhailiuk
TBD/Wood
DeRozan/Brown/Thomas
White/Rose

[FutureMan]

Sure, they could probably sign him . . . in a year. By that time, Rose could be gone and him and/or Griffin could fall off a cliff.

Obviously, this would hinge on them not being overly high on the prospects likely to be available at 5.

Also, fit is vital with DeRozan.

Griffin/Doumbouya
Snell/Mykhailiuk
TBD/Wood
DeRozan/Brown/Thomas
White/Rose


They can sign him this summer. DeRozan can opt out and sign his last contract with either his old team, old coach, or even another team in a major market.

[TD 21]

They can sign him this summer. DeRozan can opt out and sign his last contract with either his old team, old coach, or even another team in a major market.

It's expected that no one with significant money on a player option will opt out. This is obviously based on that scenario.

[ace3g]

And the dominoes begin to fall...

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1267492389838639109

[pad300]

Don't know if I'd have do that if I was Jerami Grant. I can see this being a VERY unhappy season for FA's.

[SpursDynasty85]

Don't know if I'd have do that if I was Jerami Grant. I can see this being a VERY unhappy season for FA's.

jerami grant is worth way more in today's nba. he is the modern day center and can shoot 3's and run like a gazelle. I would very surprised if Derozan did that with his $27M player option though.

[lefty]

We should keep Demar

He’s what Jordan would be if he played today

WE HAVE THE UNDISPUTED GOAT

[baseline bum]

We should keep Demar

He’s what Jordan would be if he played today

WE HAVE THE UNDISPUTED GOAT

True, though Jordan has an excuse since he's 57.

[exstatic]

jerami grant is worth way more in today's nba. he is the modern day center and can shoot 3's and run like a gazelle. I would very surprised if Derozan did that with his $27M player option though.

I think you can walk away from 9M, and not take too much of a haircut if the cap goes south. It could be worth the risk. I don’t think the same thing can be said for 27M.

[lefty]

True, though Jordan has an excuse since he's 57.
25 year old Jordanwould look 57 anyway if he played today

[SpursforSix]

Tell him to bend over, I'll fucking give him an extension.

[ace3g]

However, according to ESPN’s Bobby Marks (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29256760/2020-nba-restart-key-dates-playoffs-draft-free-agency-schedule), some of the players who have to make option decisions for 2020/21 have slightly earlier deadlines. For instance, if the Spurs don’t make the postseason, DeMar DeRozan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) will be required to make his decision within seven days of the team’s last game, per Marks.



October 13

DeMar DeRozan, Spurs ($27,739,975)

Note: This deadline would be moved to seven days after the Spurs’ last game if they don’t make the playoffs.




https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/06/batum-derozan-among-players-with-earlier-option-decision-deadlines.html

[lmbebo]

October 13

DeMar DeRozan, Spurs ($27,739,975)

Note: This deadline would be moved to seven days after the Spurs’ last game if they don’t make the playoffs.




https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/06/batum-derozan-among-players-with-earlier-option-decision-deadlines.html



So like Aug 19-20 ?

[Prime BEEF]

I somehow missed a better, more obvious one, that eliminates the question of whether the Knicks would be interested in DeRozan (supposedly they now realize the obvious, which is that they need players that compliment Barrett) . . .

To Pistons: DeRozan, White, 11

To Spurs: Kennard, 5

Avdija/Johnson
Walker/Kennard
Murray/Mills

Much better fitting perimeter corps.



Switch Murray for white and I like this trade. But I’d use the 5th pick on a different player

[TheCerebral1]

Good riddance, bye Demar.

[exstatic]

Likelihood of this rises, as apparently, the NBA is going to smooth the cap instead of having it drop and then rise again. It will apparently stay at the same $109M next year. DD can get decent money as the likely best FA on the market.

[dbestpro]

If traded, I think Orlando is a more likely destination for DDR. As noted earlier some of these other teams could just sign him if he opted out.

[baseline bum]

Likelihood of this rises, as apparently, the NBA is going to smooth the cap instead of having it drop and then rise again. It will apparently stay at the same $109M next year. DD can get decent money as the likely best FA on the market.

Awesome news.

[exstatic]

Awesome news.

It was either Woj or Givony on twitter that relayed the news. I just hope that Jimmy Dolan is as stupid and desperate as I think he is. He's struck out over and over getting a "name" to sign in NY.

[LurkingSpursFan]

I want Derozan to opt in and get traded to get some assets back. How does smoothing help with opting in?

[exstatic]

I want Derozan to opt in and get traded to get some assets back. How does smoothing help with opting in?

Why? No one is going to give you anything good in return. People will just bitch about the return until we can make another trade for even less return. The death of a thousand cuts.

Rip the scab off, and be done with it.

[GAustex]

How ever it is done-get rid of the cancer that is DDR
take poop with him

[pad300]

Why? No one is going to give you anything good in return. People will just bitch about the return until we can make another trade for even less return. The death of a thousand cuts.

Rip the scab off, and be done with it.

Not 100% sure about that. It is a known fact that the Knicks are run by idiots...

[spurspl]

lettin go ddr for nothing will be one of the dumbest thing ever made. He still has some value and spurs need to use it. Especially that this franchise is not the top destination for FAs.

ddr+2nd for randle and ellington
lma for nurkic and trevor

murray/loonie/vassel/randle/nurkic

other potential ddrs trades
ddr + 1st for otto porter and markannen
ddr for aaron gordon and aminu
ddr, lyles + 2nd for tobias harris

[exstatic]

Not 100% sure about that. It is a known fact that the Knicks are run by idiots...

The Knicks will have the cap room to sign him outright. Dolan is stupid, but he’s not stupid enough to give up assets for a player he can just sign to a deal.

[exstatic]

lettin go ddr for nothing will be one of the dumbest thing ever made. He still has some value and spurs need to use it. Especially that this franchise is not the top destination for FAs.

ddr+2nd for randle and ellington
lma for nurkic and trevor

murray/loonie/vassel/randle/nurkic

other potential ddrs trades
ddr + 1st for otto porter and markannen
ddr for aaron gordon and aminu
ddr, lyles + 2nd for tobias harris

Why is NY giving up Julius Randle for a player they can sign as a FA?

[Prime BEEF]

So DG and Kawhitter for Poetl and KJ? lmao

[spurspl]

Why is NY giving up Julius Randle for a player they can sign as a FA?

just like they signed kevin durant?

[spurspl]

So DG and Kawhitter for Poetl and KJ? lmao

welcome to spurs XD

[baseline bum]

So DG and Kawhitter for Poetl and KJ? lmao

You trade a superstar you always get assfucked. No reason to make it worse by keeping DePression around any longer.

[spurspl]

You trade a superstar you always get assfucked. No reason to make it worse by keeping DePression around any longer.

but it could be much more softer 'assfucked' if spurs took a lakers deal.

[baseline bum]

but it could be much more softer 'assfucked' if spurs took a lakers deal.

With hindsight yeah. At the time Ingram looked like a pile of crap and was coming off the same blood clot problem that ended Chris Bosh's career, and will end Ingram's career if it ever occurs again since he'll be forced to take blood thinners. If Kawhi would have just come out and forced his way to the Lakers that summer instead of dicking around ducking the Spurs for a year he could have gone to LA in 2017 for the pick the Lakers wasted on Lolnzo Ball.

[wildbill2u]

I think you can walk away from 9M, and not take too much of a haircut if the cap goes south. It could be worth the risk. I don’t think the same thing can be said for 27M.

You can't walk away from 27 unless you get 30 million guaranteed.

[exstatic]

You can't walk away from 27 unless you get 30 million guaranteed.

The thing is, he’ll have to walk away from the 27, just to see if he can get into the ballpark of 30. DeMar will be 31 when the next season starts, and this is his last chance at a multi year non MLE contract. If he can get 4 years from someone, he’d probably take $90-100M. That would be between 22 and 25 per year. If he doesn’t opt out, he’ll be chasing a contract going into a season where he will be 32, and the money will be less, because he will be a year older.

[TD 21]

Switch Murray for white and I like this trade. But I’d use the 5th pick on a different player

Fair enough. The Spurs have already committed to Murray though and White is old for a re-build. From a Pistons perspective, he's also a better fit.



Why? No one is going to give you anything good in return. People will just bitch about the return until we can make another trade for even less return. The death of a thousand cuts.

Rip the scab off, and be done with it.

You don't know that and something is still better than nothing. Even if they can't pull off the type of trade I proposed and all they can get is a solid young veteran, flyer on a so far failed prospect, lottery protected 1st, etc., it's still easily worthwhile.

Spare me the cap space routine because they'll have plenty in the future anyway, the front office is too senile to use it as a dumping ground for dead money to collect assets and no superstar/star is signing here.

[Spurtacular]

Derozan leave yet?

Praying Dog Dot Gif

[phxspurfan]

lettin go ddr for nothing will be one of the dumbest thing ever made. He still has some value and spurs need to use it. Especially that this franchise is not the top destination for FAs.

ddr+2nd for randle and ellington
lma for nurkic and trevor

murray/loonie/vassel/randle/nurkic

other potential ddrs trades
ddr + 1st for otto porter and markannen
ddr for aaron gordon and aminu
ddr, lyles + 2nd for tobias harris


While you’re at it, Bonner for LeBron


None of those teams or any team is going to give up major value for DeRozan who is a well known malcontent and will walk from anywhere he gets traded to. Doubt we even get a 2nd rounder in any trade of him

[spurspl]

While you’re at it, Bonner for LeBron


None of those teams or any team is going to give up major value for DeRozan who is a well known malcontent and will walk from anywhere he gets traded to. Doubt we even get a 2nd rounder in any trade of him

i thought about sign and trade, its obvious that 1yr of ddr isnt worth that much

[dbestpro]

If DDR can get a five year 100 mil contract from someone he is gone. I also think he might get that deal in a sign and trade. Perhaps to Orlando.

[exstatic]

If DDR can get a five year 100 mil contract from someone he is gone. I also think he might get that deal in a sign and trade. Perhaps to Orlando.

I don’t see anyone giving him 5 years at age 31, but he could get 4 if he opts out this year.

[ace3g]

See how long it takes DeRozan for this thread to be updated.

[NASpurs]

See how long it takes DeRozan for this thread to be updated.

Hopefully he opted out once the Jazz game hit 0:00

[NASpurs]

With Keldon comming on strong, his only purpose is mentor to him....

if he don't want to do that, then be gone with thee

27.8 mil for him to mentor Keldon? Fuck that, he can do that shit for free on Zoom.

[Ditty]

Think he’s going to opt in and leave next summer to a contender.

I believe Aldridge will be moved to start a full rebuild.

[ace3g]

If this is still true, we will know something by August 20th.

However, according to ESPN’s Bobby Marks (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29256760/2020-nba-restart-key-dates-playoffs-draft-free-agency-schedule), some of the players who have to make option decisions for 2020/21 have slightly earlier deadlines. For instance, if the Spurs don’t make the postseason, DeMar DeRozan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) will be required to make his decision within seven days of the team’s last game, per Marks.


October 13

DeMar DeRozan, Spurs ($27,739,975)

Note: This deadline would be moved to seven days after the Spurs’ last game if they don’t make the playoffs.





https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/06/...deadlines.html (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/06/batum-derozan-among-players-with-earlier-option-decision-deadlines.html)

[baseline bum]

With Keldon comming on strong, his only purpose is mentor to him....

if he don't want to do that, then be gone with thee

Mentor him how? Teach him how to not shoot threes and not play defense?

[cd98]

DeMar helped his cause in the bubble.

[Uriel]

I think he's going to opt-in. There's no way he's going to make more money on the open market.

[gambit1990]

Mentor him how? Teach him how to not shoot threes and not play defense?
yeah, i cannot stand when people say demar can mentor any of the young guys :lol

[baseline bum]

I think he's going to opt-in. There's no way he's going to make more money on the open market.

Cap smoothing was done so there isn't a decrease in next year's cap though.

[Degoat]

It’s odd, I kind think he’ll opt out but if he does I bet it’s because him and the spurs have already come to an agreement on a deal because he’s 31 and if he wants to secure money up until he’s 34-35 years old he needs to sign a contract now

[Chinook]

Cap smoothing was done so there isn't a decrease in next year's cap though.

That's not the only thing that matters. It's not like Corona isn't going to affect next year either, and we hadn't seen what China's fight with the NBA was going to mean to the cap anyway. Plus with a new TV deal coming up after how terrible this one has been for the networks, I don't know that that money will be there as much. It's possible the cap is stagnant for years, and most NBA contracts are signed with the idea that the cap will keep increasing. Teams aren't going to give out the same types of contracts that they did last year even if the cap remains the same. There's just no more confidence that the money will work out long term.

[Chinook]

It’s odd, I kind think he’ll opt out but if he does I bet it’s because him and the spurs have already come to an agreement on a deal because he’s 31 and if he wants to secure money up until he’s 34-35 years old he needs to sign a contract now

Yeah, ala RJ and Gasol. That's a legit possibility, especially if the Spurs think DeRozan can play PF long-term. I'm hoping the team gets to trade him, but the tea leaves make it seem like the front office will at least try to see what the team can do once it cuts the fat and plays the young guys with LMA, DMDR and Gay.

[TheCerebral1]

Bye Demar!

[BillMc]

Yeah, ala RJ and Gasol. That's a legit possibility, especially if the Spurs think DeRozan can play PF long-term. I'm hoping the team gets to trade him, but the tea leaves make it seem like the front office will at least try to see what the team can do once it cuts the fat and plays the young guys with LMA, DMDR and Gay.

They had RJ opt out and resign as I recall so they could bring Splitter over.
They had Pau opt out (and later resign) so they could clear space to make a run at Chris Paul (that never happened because the Houston deal happened without a a meeting with the Spurs).
Both were calculated gambles to try and bring in an additional player. Obviously, they had to make opting out enticing to Pau and RJ which is why they got the bigger/longer contracts after opting out.

If they did something similar to DeRozan, would they have a player targeted? As present Spurs aren't close to contending. I think it is a different scenario. But maybe they use the money to sign White when his time comes.

[pad300]

They had RJ opt out and resign as I recall so they could bring Splitter over.
They had Pau opt out (and later resign) so they could clear space to make a run at Chris Paul (that never happened because the Houston deal happened without a a meeting with the Spurs).
Both were calculated gambles to try and bring in an additional player. Obviously, they had to make opting out enticing to Pau and RJ which is why they got the bigger/longer contracts after opting out.

If they did something similar to DeRozan, would they have a player targeted? As present Spurs aren't close to contending. I think it is a different scenario. But maybe they use the money to sign White when his time comes.

I think that's a game they will try and play next summer, with Demar and LMA being full expirings, no this summer.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, ala RJ and Gasol. That's a legit possibility, especially if the Spurs think DeRozan can play PF long-term. I'm hoping the team gets to trade him, but the tea leaves make it seem like the front office will at least try to see what the team can do once it cuts the fat and plays the young guys with LMA, DMDR and Gay.

Why not extend him then? It’s not like they have cap space to sign someone else then re-sign him. If everyone wanted him here why not just do the extension?

[Chinook]

They had RJ opt out and resign as I recall so they could bring Splitter over.
They had Pau opt out (and later resign) so they could clear space to make a run at Chris Paul (that never happened because the Houston deal happened without a a meeting with the Spurs).
Both were calculated gambles to try and bring in an additional player. Obviously, they had to make opting out enticing to Pau and RJ which is why they got the bigger/longer contracts after opting out.

If they did something similar to DeRozan, would they have a player targeted? As present Spurs aren't close to contending. I think it is a different scenario. But maybe they use the money to sign White when his time comes.


Why not extend him then? It’s not like they have cap space to sign someone else then re-sign him. If everyone wanted him here why not just do the extension?


This is why:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?team=spurs

Even if you renounce everyone but Poeltl, the Spurs are $2 Million over the tax. Remember that the project cap is flat next year. It isn't supposed to increase like it does in Mark's simulation. If you then have Poeltl sign his QO (his new contract will probably be close to that anyway) and waive Metu and Zeller (who's replaced by Carroll because he's still on the roster in the simulation), you get SA with 11 players on the team and $6 Million in room under the tax. That's not enough to fill the roster with vet minimum (though it is enough to do so with come combo of rookies and vets). And that ignores that the Spurs may want to keep Metu, have to go over the QO to keep Poeltl or want to replace Beli with another wing. They could get some more room by waiving Lyles, but I am not sure they want to do that either.

tl;dr -- The Spurs could make it work without RJ'ing DeRozan but tightening their belts and letting guys walk -- and by hoping they don't win the lottery. But if they want to have a competent roster with any flexibility, something going to have to give. A DeRozan extension is the most parsimonious plan, but they could also trade one of their guys and take less money back. I doubt they'd extend DeRozan while also trading other guys away, though. They'd be doing it to try to keep "winning". While DeRozan might look out for himself and opt in, I don't see it as being part of an extension outside an extend-and-trade. For the Spurs' sake, shaving even $2 Million off next year's salary is worth a ton of their financial well-being.

[cjw]

This is why:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?team=spurs

Even if you renounce everyone but Poeltl, the Spurs are $2 Million over the tax. Remember that the project cap is flat next year. It isn't supposed to increase like it does in Mark's simulation. If you then have Poeltl sign his QO (his new contract will probably be close to that anyway) and waive Metu and Zeller (who's replaced by Carroll because he's still on the roster in the simulation), you get SA with 11 players on the team and $6 Million in room under the tax. That's not enough to fill the roster with vet minimum (though it is enough to do so with come combo of rookies and vets). And that ignores that the Spurs may want to keep Metu, have to go over the QO to keep Poeltl or want to replace Beli with another wing. They could get some more room by waiving Lyles, but I am not sure they want to do that either.

tl;dr -- The Spurs could make it work without RJ'ing DeRozan but tightening their belts and letting guys walk -- and by hoping they don't win the lottery. But if they want to have a competent roster with any flexibility, something going to have to give. A DeRozan extension is the most parsimonious plan, but they could also trade one of their guys and take less money back. I doubt they'd extend DeRozan while also trading other guys away, though. They'd be doing it to try to keep "winning". While DeRozan might look out for himself and opt in, I don't see it as being part of an extension outside an extend-and-trade. For the Spurs' sake, shaving even $2 Million off next year's salary is worth a ton of their financial well-being.

They’re not necessarily over the tax, but I have them right at it. There are a lot of guys that will never play for the team that they can renounce, and pretty save to assume Forbes and/or Beli will be gone too.

I’m at $132 million with 12 roster spots filled:
- Retain Aldridge / Gay / Murray / Mills / Lyles / Walker / Saminic / Johnson / White
- QO hold for Poeltl
- DeRozan opts in
- 11th pick is more expensive than 19th they have modeled
- Dump Metu (non-guaranteed) and all other holds besides Poeltl
- Dead money to Carroll

A flat cap will likely mean a really bad market for Poeltl, and he may play out the QO or hopefully take a number starting in the high-seven figures for year one. Does he generate interest on the full MLE?

Some other maneuvering may be needed to stay under the tax if we get no bump. The Spurs are not going to pay the tax with this roster.


Also, if they end up winning the lottery, that’s a good problem to have. You can figure it out later and stay below the tax. If that means trading Mills or Gay, you do it.

[RC_Drunkford]

If you ask me Rudy is the odd man out. He's been garbage since last years playoffs and has played well in the bubble against 3rd stringers. We all know he won't be able to perform like that for a full NBA season. He's not worth 14.5 million and should be easy to trade

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1294774423489335296?s=20https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1294774423489335296?s=20

[Degoat]

Hope I’m wrong but 4/52 for White sounds way to low. If he makes less then dejounte I’ll be thrilled & surprised

[Shakril]

DDR will opt in, unless there is a Deal. He is 31, he wont get another big contract anymore, so why not at least cash one big year in. Also the bubble showed how the spurs can be succesful with DDR. LMA is a great player, but it is clear now, that his style of play combined with Forbes was not good for the Spurs.

If PATFO are smart: They trade LMA, dont resign Forbes, let DDR opt in or have reasonable contract (which would be below of what he earns now) and look what the Market wants to give for poeltl. If its reasonable, match the offer, otherwise look for a replacement (maybe during a trade with LMA). With a core of: White, Murray, Johnson, Walker and veterans like DDR and Gay, the future does not look grim. If they can keep Poeltl and Lyles for a reasonable Price, than you have your frontcourt. Eubanks showed he can be a backup. With that you have your 9-man Rotation.

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah if the Spurs were smart they would trade Patty Mills ASAP cause ain't no undersized scrub who's only skill is 3-point shooting getting paid anything close to 13.5 million per year. But they won't do it cause he's the "culture" guy.

[RC_Drunkford]

If you really want to understand how dumb this front office is think about this:

They are paying 42.3 million for 3 bench players next season (Mills, Gay, Murray - yeah Murray is a bench player, he shouldn't start) plus 6 million for a player who plays for Houston. That's 44% of the salary cap tied up for 4 players who can't start. That's the real problem

[Chinook]

They’re not necessarily over the tax, but I have them right at it. There are a lot of guys that will never play for the team that they can renounce, and pretty save to assume Forbes and/or Beli will be gone too.

I’m at $132 million with 12 roster spots filled:
- Retain Aldridge / Gay / Murray / Mills / Lyles / Walker / Saminic / Johnson / White
- QO hold for Poeltl
- DeRozan opts in
- 11th pick is more expensive than 19th they have modeled
- Dump Metu (non-guaranteed) and all other holds besides Poeltl
- Dead money to Carroll

I did forget that the pick was included in the roster already. So it's three spots for $6 Million. More doable, but it still decreases the odds for the Spurs to sign a good forward to replace Beli or a shooter for Forbes. That the Spurs choose not to stretch Carroll's money does imply they're prepared to make it work. Maybe this bubble changed that?


A flat cap will likely mean a really bad market for Poeltl, and he may play out the QO or hopefully take a number starting in the high-seven figures for year one. Does he generate interest on the full MLE?

If we're talking Poeltl making high-seven figures (which to me would be like $8 Million and higher), then the rest of the math gets blown up. The Spurs would be hard pressed to afford that while keeping Lyles. I also question if Poeltl is worth that much with LMA still on the team. It wouldn't shock me to see Poe get a big chunk of the MLE, but it would surprise me if his market were that high.


Some other maneuvering may be needed to stay under the tax if we get no bump. The Spurs are not going to pay the tax with this roster.

I agree. Just saying that DeRozan opting out and re-upping is a big part of that maneuvering.


Also, if they end up winning the lottery, that’s a good problem to have. You can figure it out later and stay below the tax. If that means trading Mills or Gay, you do it

Well yeah, you don't refuse the top pick to keep Gay or Mills... But I'm way less confident that the Spurs could get savings for one or those guys without paying for it with draft compensation. If they win the draft, there's a good chance they'd pick Wiseman, which could mean Poeltl and/or Lyles is gone. That's simplest for sure. But I'd rather them stretch Gay than give a team a first to take him.

[BackHome]

Yeah I am trying to acquire draft draft picks I am not selling out the future just to keep Forbes. Lol.

[FutureMan]

Why would the Spurs need to give up a 1st to trade Gay? I’ve seen a ton of Warriors Fans talking about them using their exception on him and GIVING us a 2nd. Also can’t you trade a player for player who makes a littles less? Wouldn’t that create a little room too (again without giving up any picks or even them giving us a 2nd depending on how bad that other player is)

[exstatic]

Why would the Spurs need to give up a 1st to trade Gay? I’ve seen a ton of Warriors Fans talking about them using their exception on him and GIVING us a 2nd. Also can’t you trade a player for player who makes a littles less? Wouldn’t that create a little room too (again without giving up any picks or even them giving us a 2nd depending on how bad that other player is)

If their fans are as out of touch with their FO as Spurs fans are, this is a pipe dream.

[Thomas82]

Well yeah, you don't refuse the top pick to keep Gay or Mills... But I'm way less confident that the Spurs could get savings for one or those guys without paying for it with draft compensation. If they win the draft, there's a good chance they'd pick Wiseman, which could mean Poeltl and/or Lyles is gone. That's simplest for sure. But I'd rather them stretch Gay than give a team a first to take him.

That's what I want to happen more than anything.

[RC_Drunkford]

you don't have to give up a first to move Gay. Plenty of teams would like to have him come off the bench and his contract is expiring.

[cjw]

you don't have to give up a first to move Gay. Plenty of teams would like to have him come off the bench and his contract is expiring.


Well yeah, you don't refuse the top pick to keep Gay or Mills... But I'm way less confident that the Spurs could get savings for one or those guys without paying for it with draft compensation. If they win the draft, there's a good chance they'd pick Wiseman, which could mean Poeltl and/or Lyles is gone. That's simplest for sure. But I'd rather them stretch Gay than give a team a first to take him.

I don’t think you’d have to give up a first if trading Gay. But you’d have to give up a first to trade Gay into cap space and take nothing back. The two are very different concepts, so think you’re both right.

Might be a trade where the Spurs are taking back some salary but not to Gay’s level with minimal draft compensation coming back to them.

I actually wouldn’t be upset to see a deal where they used Gay and took back a lesser piece (hopefully also expiring) that cost less + allowed them to move up a few spots in the draft. If the Knicks were at 8 or 9 and not 6, I could see something where the Spurs sent them Gay and took back a negative expiring contract like Ellington in order to move up AND shed some salary. But that requires a lot of things to fall into place.

[Chinook]

So that deadline came and went. Was there any clarification on this.

In case folks were wondering, the difference between player options and early termination options is that POs extend the contract a year while ETO's truncate the contract by a year. The upshot is that if for some reason DeRozan's deadline was last week and his agent was an idiot or whatever and forgot to tell him, DMDR is a free agent now. You have to opt into a PO, whereas you opt out of an ETO.

[Chinook]

1275430846686801922

DAY AFTER the Draft on 16th of October

That's an old tweet. SI said the option deadline was much up for non-playoff teams. Maybe SI was the wrong one, because I haven't heard of any options between exercised or declined.

[venitian navigator]

no way to push DDR in deciding ? I undertand that he could receive a last minute offer somewhere but its also true that if, as it appears more than probable, his best interest will be to opt in, its his interest too, after a failed play off run, to put the team in the best situation for choosing the future...included the chance of trade talks regarding him and a possible contender/team inclined to re sign him at a good contract per year amount...

[BillMc]

So that deadline came and went. Was there any clarification on this.

In case folks were wondering, the difference between player options and early termination options is that POs extend the contract a year while ETO's truncate the contract by a year. The upshot is that if for some reason DeRozan's deadline was last week and his agent was an idiot or whatever and forgot to tell him, DMDR is a free agent now. You have to opt into a PO, whereas you opt out of an ETO.


That's an old tweet. SI said the option deadline was much up for non-playoff teams. Maybe SI was the wrong one, because I haven't heard of any options between exercised or declined.

So any update/clarification on if it was indeed missed or is still Oct 17?

[Chinook]

So any update/clarification on if it was indeed missed or is still Oct 17?

I'm guessing that was part of the two sides pushing the CBA opt out back a couple of months.

[smush]

I'm guessing that was part of the two sides pushing the CBA opt out back a couple of months.
We are getting close. I wonder what plans the front office has.

[ace3g]

Last reported date for DeRozan opt-in/out was Oct. 13th (Spotrac is saying the 17th). Of course things might have changed with the uncertainty of start date of 2021 season.

Oct. 13


DeMar DeRozan (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3978/demar-derozan), Spurs: $27.7 million (player option; if the Spurs do not make the playoffs, the option date will be moved to seven days after their last game)

[Dejounte]

I thought I read somewhere he won't make his decision until sometime after free agency starts?

[Rummpd]

Please let him go

[Dejounte]

Why am I a doink? I didn't ask to be bolded. I would be unbolded if I had a choice. Love you TheDrewShow

[Degoat]

Go look at Demar Instagram lmao no doubt he’s referring to that report

[DJR210]

Go look at Demar Instagram lmao no doubt he’s referring to that report

lol

[TheCerebral1]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287522

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1318955350406647808

MUST BE TUESDAY.....

There are levels to this shit, and NONE O'you donks, Doinks spergs and sperms are on MY LEVEL.
NASpurs (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=386) @ZeusWillJudge (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54031) Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) lefty (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896) and all the other OG Bolded DOINKS...


https://media2.giphy.com/media/pcKnpFrumIM7TtzayE/giphy.gif

Good we don't want you here.

[ace3g]

Real

https://twitter.com/USC_Hoops/status/1321980189241270272

Grain of salt

https://twitter.com/ScoopB/status/1321955632514277377

[Joseph Kony]

Real

https://twitter.com/USC_Hoops/status/1321980189241270272

Grain of salt

https://twitter.com/ScoopB/status/1321955632514277377


Nets would be a decent trading partner. Not sure about Milwaukee. I like Divincenzo but that's about it. Middleton is nice but is way overpaid

[Robz4000]

Nets would be a decent trading partner. Not sure about Milwaukee. I like Divincenzo but that's about it. Middleton is nice but is way overpaid

DeRozan makes a ton of sense for the Bucks and I think he'd fit well there. Nets would be a terrible fit imo; too many people who need the ball in their hands and just imagining DDR/Kyrie playing defense on a Nash-coached team is :lol.

[talkspurs]

I have been saying the nets since before the trade deadline. the one back in February

[lmbebo]

Wonder what trades would look like

[DPG21920]

Wonder what trades would look like

Probably something like Taurean Prince + a 1st more or less but definitely some more details to work out.

[lmbebo]

Probably something like Taurean Prince + a 1st more or less but definitely some more details to work out.

Doubt that works financially. Probably needs Lavert in there to make salaries match

[spurspl]

Wonder what trades would look like

i guess sth like:

ddr for brook lopez, hill, #24

ddr, #11, 21' 2nd for prince, levert, #19

[TD 21]

DeRozan makes a ton of sense for the Bucks and I think he'd fit well there. Nets would be a terrible fit imo; too many people who need the ball in their hands and just imagining DDR/Kyrie playing defense on a Nash-coached team is :lol.

He'd be a poor fit next to Antetokounmpo. Bledsoe isn't a spacer either, but at least he's a willing 3-point shooter.



Wonder what trades would look like

I'd have to see it to believe it in either case, but hypothetically . . .

Bledsoe, Ilyasova (non guaranteed), 24th pick.

Dinwiddie, Prince, Kurucs or Musa.

In either case, a third team (Magic?) would have to be brought in to reroute either Bledsoe or Dinwiddie.

[Leetonidas]

DeRozan makes a ton of sense for the Bucks and I think he'd fit well there. Nets would be a terrible fit imo; too many people who need the ball in their hands and just imagining DDR/Kyrie playing defense on a Nash-coached team is :lol.

oh for sure, but Nets have better players to trade for that Milwaukee. rather have Taurean prince and a first versus Bledsoe + whatever random crap for MIL

[Robz4000]

oh for sure, but Nets have better players to trade for that Milwaukee. rather have Taurean prince and a first versus Bledsoe + whatever random crap for MIL


Agreed

[gambit1990]

i brought up trading demar to the nets a very, very long time ago. get it done. rob brooklyn of their youth.

[Chinook]

i guess sth like:

ddr for brook lopez, hill, #24

ddr, #11, 21' 2nd for prince, levert, #19

That Brooklyn trade is horrible. I guess your plan is for SA to rebuilding by scoring a first-overall pick, and becoming a shit-tier organization that'd do a deal like this would probably be the fastest way to get there.

[RC_Drunkford]

shit I'd do DeRozan for Levert and Prince in a heartbeat. That would be amazing

[Chinook]

shit I'd do DeRozan for Levert and Prince in a heartbeat. That would be amazing

Prince is legit one of the worst players in the NBA. Like Bryn is better than Prince and it's not close.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_select=Bryn+Forbes&player_id1=forbebr01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Taurean+Prince&player_id2_select=Taurean+Prince&player_id2=princta02&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

LeVert is an interesting player, but DeRozan is still better, and Prince is such an awful anchor that Brooklyn would have to attach more value to dump him and to get DeRozan.

[baseline bum]

DeRozan makes a ton of sense for the Bucks and I think he'd fit well there.

True, the Bucks are a bunch of postseason bitches who can't shoot the three. DePression would fit right in.

[Robz4000]

Prince is legit one of the worst players in the NBA. Like Bryn is better than Prince and it's not close.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_select=Bryn+Forbes&player_id1=forbebr01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Taurean+Prince&player_id2_select=Taurean+Prince&player_id2=princta02&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

LeVert is an interesting player, but DeRozan is still better, and Prince is such an awful anchor that Brooklyn would have to attach more value to dump him and to get DeRozan.

Trade is better if you just remove #11 tbh. DeRozan/'21 2nd for LeVert/Prince/#19 is good; not like DeRozan is fetching the Spurs great offers anyway.

[Robz4000]

True, the Bucks are a bunch of postseason bitches who can't shoot the three. DePression would fit right in.


They're looking for a "closer" anyway.

[Chinook]

Trade is better if you just remove #11 tbh. DeRozan/'21 2nd for LeVert/Prince/#19 is good; not like DeRozan is fetching the Spurs great offers anyway.

Yeah that offer is fine and probably what Brooklyn would offer, though I'd much rather just trade 41 and keep future seconds. Can't put it past PATFO for include a pick-swap and give up 11 though.

[Robz4000]

Yeah that offer is fine and probably what Brooklyn would offer, though I'd much rather just trade 41 and keep future seconds. Can't put it past PATFO for include a pick-swap and give up 11 though.


Wouldn't shock me if they sent him to either LA team for trash like McGee, KCP, or Beverly in order to "do right by him" as well.

[Chinook]

Wouldn't shock me if they sent him to either LA team for trash like McGee, KCP, or Beverly in order to "do right by him" as well.

At least LAL has a pick, and it'd mean bringing Green back to SA, which for some reason is guaranteeing a title nowadays.

LAC would need to involve multiple teams. Hopefully the can get West/Balmer to act desperately again and trade their souls to buy a farm to sell for DeRozan.

[Robz4000]

At least LAL has a pick, and it'd mean bringing Green back to SA, which for some reason is guaranteeing a title nowadays.

LAC would need to involve multiple teams. Hopefully the can get West/Balmer to act desperately again and trade their souls to buy a farm to sell for DeRozan.

I don't think PATFO would even consider taking back LDN tbh; for some reason Pop just never liked him. They'll prolly do a S&T for an overpriced Harrell.

[Chinook]

I don't think PATFO would even consider taking back LDN tbh; for some reason Pop just never liked him. They'll prolly do a S&T for an overpriced Harrell.

Could see Pop trying to make Harrell/LMA and Harrell/Poeltl work. And Montrezl's a fine player, but not for the money that'd let them take back DeRozan.

[TD 21]

Unless they think health wise he's a ticking time bomb (extensive injury history), why would the Nets give up LeVert? 5 years younger, significantly cheaper for multi years, lacks the stature to pout in a reduced role on a team with their star power, yet can provide tertiary shot creation/play making and is actually willing to shoots 3s.

Can't see it at all, but obviously LeVert/Prince would be a no brainer. Even though he's inefficient, overrated and not a #1 option, he can at least fake it in the interim until they find someone who is.

[Chinook]

But the Spurs already have someone who can play at being a first option, and they have him without having to essentially pay an even worse Bryn Forbes $13 Million a year for two years. And LeVert's health doesn't have to explode because it's already not good enough. He's been an injury risk since he was in college and if anything failed to reach his ceiling because of them. Even so, we're talking about basically Lavine, which is not worth trading DeRozan for. Caris isn't as good as DeMar, and his contract is probably a worse bet than DJM's at this point.

[TD 21]

But that player probably wants out and either way, they don't appear intent on extending him.

The metrics can't barely or not matter when it comes to the likes of Aldridge and DeRozan, then matter a lot when it comes the likes of LeVert and Prince.

LeVert is somewhat like Ingram in that the metrics have never beared out what the consensus on him appears to be.

Prince isn't good, but he's only signed for 2 years and as a solid 3-point shooting combo forward, who's still youngish, he'd fill a need.

[Chinook]

Prince isn't solid. He's horrible. There's no need for horrible players on the roster. They could literally find a better player with their second or even UDFA. He's that bad.

I agree that Levert is not a bad player and has reasons to be excited. But he's also been in the league four years now, so his performance has to matter more than his potential. Even if he started playing better, his injury history would be enough reason to justify moving on from him.

If Brooklyn also included 19 in the deal, you could talk me into it. But that's because the pick is the actual value. If they had another contract to fill in that cap, it'd work just as well for me.

[DPG21920]

Doubt that works financially. Probably needs Lavert in there to make salaries match

Hence “the more details to work out part”. Whether it’s 3rd team and or other parts. Saying my guess is Sa would end up with Prince + 1RP as “main” parts for ddr

[DPG21920]

That Brooklyn trade is horrible. I guess your plan is for SA to rebuilding by scoring a first-overall pick, and becoming a shit-tier organization that'd do a deal like this would probably be the fastest way to get there.

Agree i hate TP but if you know ddr is 100% opting out? Getting a 1RP is better than nothing.

[Chinook]

Agree i hate TP but if you know ddr is 100% opting out? Getting a 1RP is better than nothing.

Did you see that deal? It was SA trading 11 and a future second for 19. That's worse than nothing.

[DPG21920]

Did you see that deal? It was SA trading 11 and a future second for 19. That's worse than nothing.

Ya that’s not happening so I don’t even acknowledge it. SA would be getting the Philly pick and keeping 11

[Chinook]

Ya that’s not happening so I don’t even acknowledge it. SA would be getting the Philly pick and keeping 11

I basically see the deal (as you said it) as DMDR for LeVert and Prince and 19 for cap space. I can live with that.

[DPG21920]

I basically see the deal (as you said it) as DMDR for LeVert and Prince and 19 for cap space. I can live with that.

Something like that. Maybe a third team involved. Spurs only get the pick by taking on Prince though

[Chinook]

Something like that. Maybe a third team involved. Spurs only get the pick by taking on Prince though

I think they'd keep LeVert. There's no reason to move him when he's basically a lotto ticket. I agree with Teeds when he says the Spurs seem to have a hole for a perimeter scoring option in the absence of DeRozan.

[DPG21920]

I think they'd keep LeVert. There's no reason to move him when he's basically a lotto ticket. I agree with Teeds when he says the Spurs seem to have a hole for a perimeter scoring option in the absence of DeRozan.

Sorry. I meant I don’t think BKY would be willing to include him. But it’s possible and would love that.

[spurspl]

I basically see the deal (as you said it) as DMDR for LeVert and Prince and 19 for cap space. I can live with that.

theres no way nets do this trade. Be realistic and impartial. levert is a better asset than ddr without a doubt and u want them to add another #19...pls. im not a fan of a trade idea i proposed earlier but thats what probably would look like at the end of their negotiations. nets has a leverage and they know that.

[talkspurs]

theres no way nets do this trade. Be realistic and impartial. levert is a better asset than ddr without a doubt and u want them to add another #19...pls. im not a fan of a trade idea i proposed earlier but thats what probably would look like at the end of their negotiations. nets has a leverage and they know that.

The Spurs have more leverage. They do not have to get something for DDR. Brooklyn is in a win now mode. I would say more then GS is as they brought on the high paid players to win. GS has at least won so if they dont win again it wont be so bad. That being said the trade I was looking at was dinwiddie, Prince and allen for DDR. We would also get atleast a 1st rd pick. They have gone away from allen with them getting Jordan. This would also give us a good young big.

[Degoat]

Brooklyn isn’t trading Levert in a Demar package, no way Him and KD are close

[BackHome]

Any news?

[spurspl]

The Spurs have more leverage. They do not have to get something for DDR. Brooklyn is in a win now mode. I would say more then GS is as they brought on the high paid players to win. GS has at least won so if they dont win again it wont be so bad. That being said the trade I was looking at was dinwiddie, Prince and allen for DDR. We would also get atleast a 1st rd pick. They have gone away from allen with them getting Jordan. This would also give us a good young big.

no they dont. spurs have to get sth in return bc noone in FAs come to san antonio. everyone knows that. ddr must be traded. secondly, there is no rush to trade levert for nets and they can still be in win now mode with him in a roster.
im not sure nets would include a 1st rd pick to ur trade idea. allen is great but only 1yr left. if he loves san antonio and sign a longer deal thats ok but i doubt it.

[BackHome]

What are the chances of Detroit getting in the trade isn’t his old coach and pg friend playing there add to that I think Detroit has about 34 mill in cap room? Oh what’s the new date he has to make his decision on opting in or out?

[talkspurs]

no they dont. spurs have to get sth in return bc noone in FAs come to san antonio. everyone knows that. ddr must be traded. secondly, there is no rush to trade levert for nets and they can still be in win now mode with him in a roster.
im not sure nets would include a 1st rd pick to ur trade idea. allen is great but only 1yr left. if he loves san antonio and sign a longer deal thats ok but i doubt it.


Spurs did not trade him last year and this was with reports of him wanting out and spurs not coming to an agreement with him. So they are in no rush to trade him. It is better to do no trade then a bad trade. Nets have been said they want a third star. That have a few years left to win. Spurs will get another good player eventually either trough draft or throwing enough money at them.

[RC_Drunkford]

Prince is legit one of the worst players in the NBA. Like Bryn is better than Prince and it's not close.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_select=Bryn+Forbes&player_id1=forbebr01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Taurean+Prince&player_id2_select=Taurean+Prince&player_id2=princta02&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

LeVert is an interesting player, but DeRozan is still better, and Prince is such an awful anchor that Brooklyn would have to attach more value to dump him and to get DeRozan.

nobody in the entire NBA is worse than Bryn Forbes. Nobody. Let them add the 19th pick, that was my initial post anyway. Plus Dinwiddie would fit as well, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to give him up. Brooklyn definitely seems to be the most interesting trade partner.

[exstatic]

nobody in the entire NBA is worse than Bryn Forbes. Nobody. Let them add the 19th pick, that was my initial post anyway. Plus Dinwiddie would fit as well, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to give him up. Brooklyn definitely seems to be the most interesting trade partner.

Did you click on the link? I was surprised, but he’s worse than Bryn.

[talkspurs]

Did you click on the link? I was surprised, but he’s worse than Bryn.

Prince had a down year and is also much better on Defense.

[Chinook]

Prince had a down year and is also much better on Defense.

No. Prince has been worse than Bryn for three years straight. It hasn't been close that whole time. He's legit awful

[Chinook]

nobody in the entire NBA is worse than Bryn Forbes. Nobody. Let them add the 19th pick, that was my initial post anyway. Plus Dinwiddie would fit as well, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to give him up. Brooklyn definitely seems to be the most interesting trade partner.

Brooklyn isn't going to be worried about keeping both LeVert and Dinwiddie if they're getting DeRozan. He'll be scoring plenty. They'll need to match salary somehow, and Prince only get them so far. They are less likely to trade Jordan than LeVert and less likely to trade LeVert than Dinwiddie. Spence seems like the odd man out, though I guess they could move Caris since he and DeMar actually play the some position.

[Robz4000]

Brooklyn isn't going to be worried about keeping both LeVert and Dinwiddie if they're getting DeRozan. He'll be scoring plenty. They'll need to match salary somehow, and Prince only get them so far. They are less likely to trade Jordan than LeVert and less likely to trade LeVert than Dinwiddie. Spence seems like the odd man out, though I guess they could move Caris since he and DeMar actually play the some position.

I'd take Dinwiddie if the Spurs can turn around and trade Murray for a SF tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should try their hardest to get Levert, Dinwiddie and the pick. Package some of our garbage with DeRozan, we got plenty

[DPG21920]

What are the chances of Detroit getting in the trade isn’t his old coach and pg friend playing there add to that I think Detroit has about 34 mill in cap room? Oh what’s the new date he has to make his decision on opting in or out?

It’s not something set yet. I think it’s 5 days before free agency.

[DPG21920]

Prince sucks. Bad. But he’s worth taking on for a 1st

[EasyMoney]

I still think demar or Orlando can be a thing. After Jonathon Isaac tearing his acl, and Aaron Gordon perpetually being in trade talks. Add in if they lose Fournier in free agency. Demar could be a desperate get for them

[Dex]

This has probably been answered already, but do we know when he has to opt in by? I assume sometime before the draft?

[FutureMan]

I still think demar or Orlando can be a thing. After Jonathon Isaac tearing his acl, and Aaron Gordon perpetually being in trade talks. Add in if they lose Fournier in free agency. Demar could be a desperate get for them

The reason why Gordon has been in so many trade talks this past year is because Orlando wants Isaac to start at PF. With Isaac out, for who knows how long, trading Gordon should no longer be a priority.

If Fournier is foolish enough to opt out that gives them options to go and sign someone else. Magic fans have been frustrated with Fournier’s consistency for about 2 years now.

[Chinook]

This has probably been answered already, but do we know when he has to opt in by? I assume sometime before the draft?

I think they're waiting to finalize the calendar, which supposedly will happen by next week. Or if it doesn't, it'll be a horrible sign. I don't think it'll have to be before the draft though. Right now, there's a moratorium on trades (which seems to be what Windhorst meant, btb for those who remember him talking about it ending -- he probably wasn't talking about the usual moratorium that starts the league year). I don't think that'll be lifted until there's an agree, draft or no, so all options are being frozen. Thinking the players will officially have until the start of the real moratorium to opt out per the usual rules, and the non-guarantee dates will extend a week into the new year.

[talkspurs]

I agree that it has been pushed back until the get the new agreement done which will happen shortly. It has been pushed back at least twice. I think they want it done before the draft and will have it where players have to opt in or opt out before the draft. I think they want to try an keep it in order of a normal year so players would opt in/out before the draft to allow trades. FA will open after draft as it usually does.

[TD 21]

Prince isn't solid. He's horrible.


Prince isn't good, but he's only signed for 2 years and as a solid 3-point shooting

Career 36.6%, with 50.3% of his fga's being 3's.



There's no need for horrible players on the roster. They could literally find a better player with their second or even UDFA. He's that bad.

I agree that Levert is not a bad player and has reasons to be excited. But he's also been in the league four years now, so his performance has to matter more than his potential. Even if he started playing better, his injury history would be enough reason to justify moving on from him.

If Brooklyn also included 19 in the deal, you could talk me into it. But that's because the pick is the actual value. If they had another contract to fill in that cap, it'd work just as well for me.

The deal would be about LeVert obviously. Prince would just be the salary ballast they'd have to swallow. I'm just saying, he wouldn't be a bad fit on this roster or prevent them from doing anything.

True, but LeVert has had a lot of stops and starts and has lacked a consistent role.

I can't imagine the Nets even trading LeVert for DeRozan, nevermind including 19. Myriad insiders view him as a potential centerpiece of a package for Beal (eventually), Holiday or straight up for Oladipo.

[R. DeMurre]

If a Brooklyn deal included their pick without losing ours, I'd be all for it. Prince is bad but his salary can be absorbed without too much trouble, and at least his role as a bench guy is firmly established. DeRozan is paid like a superstar and produces results like a slightly better than average vet. LeVert's contract is reasonable too, and he's young.
Have to say though, I thinks it's a terrible trade for Brooklyn-- with Durant & Kyrie the last thing they need is a guy who needs the ball, doesn't shoot threes, and isn't a great defender.
If by chance the Nets offered Rodions Kurucs instead of the draft pick, I'd be on board with that too. He's shown flashes of potential playing SF as a rookie and as a small ball big in spot minutes during his second season. His 2pt & 3pt%s were very good last year. He's an interesting prospect on an inexpensive rookie contract.

[talkspurs]

Ide want Brooklyn 2022 unprotected rookie pick. Kirie is hurt all the time KD is getting older and coming off major injury. DDR may not stay. they could be bad that year.

[The Truth #6]

Spurs are hesitant to make deals, which typically annoys me, but I’m concerned they will make a crappy one here for an overpriced veteran. Unless they get future-oriented assets, I’d let him walk.

[RC_Drunkford]

One Nets player that I'd really like to have is Joe Harris. He's a free agent this year, but from what I heard they definitely want to keep him.

[gambit1990]

i've hated demar longer than anyone here.

with that said, d'antoni would help demar a ton. demar will be an all-star next year if he's on the nets.

[gambit1990]

i wish pop had offered d'antoni a job tbh.

but who knows, maybe he did.

[The Truth #6]

i wish pop had offered d'antoni a job tbh.

but who knows, maybe he did.

It would probably trigger his PTSD.

[gambit1990]

atlanta wants help to make the playoffs.

https://i.imgur.com/aAXr7vc.png

[cd021]

atlanta wants help to make the playoffs.

https://i.imgur.com/aAXr7vc.png

The Spurs should consider Murray for the 6th pick tbh

[Chinook]

The Spurs should consider Murray for the 6th pick tbh

It's crazy that Gambit actually posted a trade that I'd be happy to see happen. It's not at all practical, and I don't think ATL would do it, but still.

Anyway, yeah, I do think something like Murray for 6 or Murray and 11 for Reddish and 6 would work for both teams. Spurs get into position to grab their PF of the future, and the Hawks get their Young's long-term teammate and save money for White's extension. I don't know that Atlanta would be okay doing it though.

[cd021]

It's crazy that Gambit actually posted a trade that I'd be happy to see happen. It's not at all practical, and I don't think ATL would do it, but still.

Anyway, yeah, I do think something like Murray for 6 or Murray and 11 for Reddish and 6 would work for both teams. Spurs get into position to grab their PF of the future, and the Hawks get their Young's long-term teammate and save money for White's extension. I don't know that Atlanta would be okay doing it though.

I think ATL be interested in Murray, who could give Young his potential backcourt mate of the future. Murray, alone, isn't worth a top six pick though even though he seems like he'd be a good fit with Young. Which mean that they'd probably want 11 back as well.

I think the Spurs might say no to that. They might only move Murray if they can get a George Hill level return for him but Murray isn't as good as Hill was, to warrant that.

[talkspurs]

I think ATL be interested in Murray, who could give Young his potential backcourt mate of the future. Murray, alone, isn't worth a top six pick though even though he seems like he'd be a good fit with Young. Which mean that they'd probably want 11 back as well.

I think the Spurs might say no to that. They might only move Murray if they can get a George Hill level return for him but Murray isn't as good as Hill was, to warrant that.


Murray is better then hill. People are basing Murray and White off of the Bubble. When looking at the season DJM was Similer to White. I would argue slightly better. people saw the bubble (where white did outplay DJM) and think that was the whole season. DJM was also coming back from a major story. They should both be starting to at least see how they look together. My biggest Problem is I also really want to see KJ start at the 2 and us find a 3. this causes a little bit of a problem if White and Murray start together. I would put KJ at the 3 next year and get rid of DDR so we would not have anyone to start at the 3. I am thinking people will be happy to eat crow next year on Murray if DDR and LMA are gone.

[EasyMoney]

Murray is better then hill. People are basing Murray and White off of the Bubble. When looking at the season DJM was Similer to White. I would argue slightly better. people saw the bubble (where white did outplay DJM) and think that was the whole season. DJM was also coming back from a major story. They should both be starting to at least see how they look together. My biggest Problem is I also really want to see KJ start at the 2 and us find a 3. this causes a little bit of a problem if White and Murray start together. I would put KJ at the 3 next year and get rid of DDR so we would not have anyone to start at the 3. I am thinking people will be happy to eat crow next year on Murray if DDR and LMA are gone.



You haven't heard? Half the forum already wants dejounte gone.

[talkspurs]

You haven't heard? Half the forum already wants dejounte gone.

I dont understand what you are trying to say with this comment.

[PhantomDashCam]

With the Malik Beasley situation in Minnesota cloudy, T’wolves 1st might be available for a discounted price.
J.Johnson, J.Hermangomez S/T and 1st for Derozan and 11 would be interesting.

[cd021]

Murray is better then hill. People are basing Murray and White off of the Bubble. When looking at the season DJM was Similer to White. I would argue slightly better. people saw the bubble (where white did outplay DJM) and think that was the whole season. DJM was also coming back from a major story. They should both be starting to at least see how they look together. My biggest Problem is I also really want to see KJ start at the 2 and us find a 3. this causes a little bit of a problem if White and Murray start together. I would put KJ at the 3 next year and get rid of DDR so we would not have anyone to start at the 3. I am thinking people will be happy to eat crow next year on Murray if DDR and LMA are gone.

I think people forget how good Hill was early on in his career. He was a good offensive and defensive player who was the sixth man of a 61 win team. I think Hill was probably better, three years their careers.

Murray has potential, I just don't know that he'll reach it, especially if he's shoehorned as a point guard. White and Murray were fairly even most of last season. If White actually continues to play with no hesitation, then he's certainly better as a player.

[buttsR4rebounding]

With the Malik Beasley situation in Minnesota cloudy, T’wolves 1st might be available for a discounted price.
J.Johnson, J.Hermangomez S/T and 1st for Derozan and 11 would be interesting.

How does Beasley’s arrest impact their willingness to trade the No. 1 pick?

[RC_Drunkford]

How does Beasley’s arrest impact their willingness to trade the No. 1 pick?

it's pretty clear. He's a free agent so they will have to attach the 1st pick to move his huge 2.7 million dollar contract :lmao

[PhantomDashCam]

How does Beasley’s arrest impact their willingness to trade the No. 1 pick?

Beasley was expected to be key starter, 20 ppg scorer. He may never see NBA minutes again. Huge void there. Minnesota has rumoured to be shopping the pick for a while. Wiseman reportedly doesn’t want to play there. Ball is not a great fit. Edwards makes a lot of sense at 1 but maybe they don’t think that highly of him and may be a little gun shy after whiffing on Culver. IMHO a little too early to give up on Culver, but his draft comparison coming out of college...DeMar Derozan.

[PhantomDashCam]

it's pretty clear. He's a free agent so they will have to attach the 1st pick to move his huge 2.7 million dollar contract :lmao

NBA teams don’t tend to keep (if) convicted criminals on rosters bud.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Beasley was expected to be key starter, 20 ppg scorer. He may never see NBA minutes again. Huge void there. Minnesota has rumoured to be shopping the pick for a while. Wiseman reportedly doesn’t want to play there. Ball is not a great fit. Edwards makes a lot of sense at 1 but maybe they don’t think that highly of him and may be a little gun shy after whiffing on Culver. IMHO a little too early to give up on Culver, but his draft comparison coming out of college...DeMar Derozan.

Got it. Thanks.

[BackHome]

Man Beasley really picked the wrong time to pull out his stupid card.

[Ice009]

What did he do? I assume the arrest wasn't for a minor infraction?

[Dex]

What did he do? I assume the arrest wasn't for a minor infraction?


Minnesota Timberwolves guard Malik Beasley facing felony weapons, drug charges:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29984989/minnesota-timberwolves-guard-malik-beasley-facing-felony-weapons-drug-charges

[Ice009]

Yeah OK, that is not good. Darn, what a freaking idiot.

[RC_Drunkford]

NBA teams don’t tend to keep (if) convicted criminals on rosters bud.

NBA teams also tend to not trade free agents. He's on an expiring with team option. They not gonna resign him if that's the case

[PhantomDashCam]

NBA teams also tend to not trade free agents. He's on an expiring with team option. They not gonna resign him if that's the case

Beasley was not in the trade I proposed.

[PhantomDashCam]

One interesting idea suggested by Lowe is Minnesota’s 17th and J.Johnson’s expiring being available in a trade.


I'd also expect Minnesota to peddle the combination of the No. 17 pick -- via Brooklyn -- and James Johnson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3999/james-johnson)'s expiring contract. Does that get the Wolves involved in a Danilo Gallinari (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3428/danilo-gallinari) sign-and-trade? My guess is the Thunder find something better, but No. 17 is a decent asset.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason

If the rumoured pursuit of Spurs pursuing a top 2 pick falls through, would be interested in looking at acquiring 17 (in a similar scenario to what I proposed in a post above, centred around Derozan) without giving up the rights to 11.

This would allow the Spurs to draft into the two positions that they appear to be scouting (a big, a wing) with less of a financial commitment for both compared with picking in the top 2 of the draft.
If there is genuine belief in parity between certain prospects - you may come out of the first round with a combo. of say a big: a Stewart/Smith/Achuiwa/Carey, and a wing: a Bane/Hampton/McDaniels/Green depending on the Spurs big board preference.

That would be a huge win in my book.

[rankingtear]

One interesting idea suggested by Lowe is Minnesota’s 17th and J.Johnson’s expiring being available in a trade.


https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason

If the rumoured pursuit of Spurs pursuing a top 2 pick falls through, would be interested in looking at acquiring 17 (in a similar scenario to what I proposed in a post above, centred around Derozan) without giving up the rights to 11.

This would allow the Spurs to draft into the two positions that they appear to be scouting (a big, a wing) with less of a financial commitment for both compared with picking in the top 2 of the draft.
If there is genuine belief in parity between certain prospects - you may come out of the first round with a combo. of say a big: a Stewart/Smith/Achuiwa/Carey, and a wing: a Bane/Hampton/McDaniels/Green depending on the Spurs big board preference.

That would be a huge win in my book.

This would require Derozan to opt in before the draft, he has no reason to do that.

[Dhbsr555]

Can the spurs actually trade him since he hasn’t opted in ?

[rankingtear]

Can the spurs actually trade him since he hasn’t opted in ?

No, it is not allowed per CBA. He has to opt in before being traded. It is like a no trade clause.

[PhantomDashCam]

This was assuming he would opt in or agrees to a S/T in the scenario.

[SpursDynasty85]

Not sure a trade works well for the Spurs here. A team who wants Derozan would do all they could to just sign him without giving up important assets. I.E A longer term deal like the one Haslem got with the Heat after he opts out.

[PhantomDashCam]

This would require Derozan to opt in before the draft, he has no reason to do that.

Curious as to why you would think this?

[rankingtear]

Curious as to why you would think this?

He would lose control of where he goes.

[4lifecowboy]

He would lose control of where he goes.

He would also lose 28 mil guaranteed.

[rankingtear]

He would also lose 28 mil guaranteed.

He controls where he goes up until the player option deadline. If no sign and trade or free agent offers materialize then he would opt in.

[objective]

Not sure a trade works well for the Spurs here. A team who wants Derozan would do all they could to just sign him without giving up important assets. I.E A longer term deal like the one Haslem got with the Heat after he opts out.

That only applies to teams with capspace now or teams that expect capspace next summer, like Atlanta. Those teams could just sign DDR

But Minnesota won't be a cap team for years. Using the expiring James Johnson contract as the bulk of outgoing salary is basically the only way they can add players who make more than the mle and it's use it or lose it

[DMC]

I could see DeRozan going to the Warriors.

[R. DeMurre]

The only shot DeRozan has at a championship is being the #3 or #4 option behind a few superstars. There's no way he's ever winning a championship otherwise.

[SpursDynasty85]

The only shot DeRozan has at a championship is being the #3 or #4 option behind a few superstars. There's no way he's ever winning a championship otherwise.

In that interview he did a few weeks back, he recognizes he is moving towards a veteran leadership role. Him in Brooklyn makes a ton of sense. but they do already have Dinwiddie and Caris Lavert. What a bag full of wings they got!

[R. DeMurre]

In that interview he did a few weeks back, he recognizes he is moving towards a veteran leadership role. Him in Brooklyn makes a ton of sense. but they do already have Dinwiddie and Caris Lavert. What a bag full of wings they got!

True-- makes them a nice potential trade partner.

[JuneJive]

If DeRozan opts out, Spurs get nothing, right?

Is there a scenario in which the Spurs profit in any way?