Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

[baseline bum]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people.

HHS oversees a broad range of health agencies, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which among other things is responsible for tracking cases and providing guidance nationally on the outbreaks.

The administration officials, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said they could not describe the interactions in the meeting room because they were classified.

An NSC spokesman did not respond to questions about the meetings at HHS. But he defended the administration’s transparency across federal agencies and noted that meetings of the administration’s task force on the coronavirus all are unclassified. It was not immediately clear which meetings he was referring to.

“From day one of the response to the coronavirus, NSC has insisted on the principle of radical transparency,” said the spokesman, John Ullyot. He added that the administration “has cut red tape and set the global standard in protecting the American people under President Trump’s leadership.”

A spokeswoman for the HHS, Katherine McKeogh, issued a statement that did not address questions about classified meetings. Using language that echoed the NSC’s, the department said it that it agreed task-force meetings should be unclassified.

Critics have hammered the Trump administration for what they see as a delayed response to coronavirus outbreaks and a lack of transparency, including sidelining experts and providing misleading or incomplete information to the public. State and local officials also have complained of being kept in the dark about essential federal response information.

U.S. Vice-President Mike Pence, the administration’s point person on coronavirus, vowed on March 3 to offer “real-time information in a steady pace and be fully transparent.” The vice president, appointed by President Donald Trump in late February, is holding regular news briefings and also has pledged to rely on expert guidance.

The meetings at HHS were held in a secure area called a “Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility,” or SCIF, according to the administration officials.

SCIFs are usually reserved for intelligence and military operations. Ordinary cell phones and computers can’t be brought into the chambers. HHS has SCIFs because theoretically it would play a major role in biowarfare or chemical attacks.

A high-level former official who helped address public health outbreaks in the George W. Bush administration said “it’s not normal to classify discussions about a response to a public health crisis.”

Attendees at the meetings included HHS Secretary Alex Azar and his chief of staff Brian Harrison, the officials said. Azar and Harrison resisted the classification of the meetings, the sources said.

HHS did not make Azar or Harrison available for comment.

One of the administration officials told Reuters that when complex issues about a quarantine came up, a high-ranking HHS lawyer with expertise on the issue was not admitted because he did not have the proper security clearance. His input was delayed and offered at an unclassified meeting, the official said.

A fifth source familiar with the meetings said HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”

The coronavirus epidemic originated in China and the administration’s main focus to prevent spread early on was to restrict travel by non-U.S. citizens coming from China and to authorize the quarantine of people entering the United States who may have been exposed to the virus.

One of the administration officials suggested the security clearances for meetings at HHS were imposed not to protect national security but to keep the information within a tight circle, to prevent leaks.

“It seemed to be a tool for the White House - for the NSC - to keep participation in these meetings low,” the official said.

[SnakeBoy]

450k US deaths estimated conservatively. They're not going to say that shit publicly.

[hater]

450k US deaths estimated conservatively. They're not going to say that shit publicly.

try a million in next 9 months

and the 2nd wave might be even deadlier

[ChumpDumper]

Gotta put the deliberations of these ignorant assholes in the memory hole.

[baseline bum]

try a million in next 9 months

and the 2nd wave might be even deadlier

It doesn't sound like there are going to be waves like you get with the flu slowing down in the spring. This is just going to go through the population until it burns out and all we can do it try to slow it so as to overwhelm our woefully inadequate healthcare system less quickly.

[SnakeBoy]

try a million in next 9 months

and the 2nd wave might be even deadlier

450k is "conservative", but yeah likely more

2nd wave implies we get a summer break

[picnroll]

This is hands down, not even close the most fucked up administration in US history.

[baseline bum]

450k is "conservative", but yeah likely more

2nd wave implies we get a summer break

Even 0.7% mortality rate puts it at ~690k deaths with only a 30% infection rate, so 450k seems very conservative. But we're not going to have a 0.7% mortality rate like South Korea when the test costs $2400 and no one making $11 at an hour at Walmart with a $3000 deductible is taking that test so they can learn they have to stay home and have no money for food, rent, and utilities. We're not going to have a 0.7% mortality rate with how obese our population is. Ultimately, I'll be a little surprised if the death toll is less than 2 million (say a 60% transmission rate with a 1% mortality rate).

[Spurs Homer]

This is hands down, not even close the most fucked up administration in US history.


the CULT disagrees vehemently!

Heil Trump!

(bites down on cyanide tube)

[baseline bum]

This is hands down, not even close the most fucked up administration in US history.

This kind of shit really should get Trump booted from office.

[DMX7]

450k is "conservative", but yeah likely more

2nd wave implies we get a summer break

This sounds nuts but Italy is already seeing 100+ people per day die and that's just one much smaller country.

[picnroll]

I guess the bright side is, if you’re a survivor, this will incite a complete overhaul of the US medical system. For Sanders Coronavirus was a year too late or the election a year too early.

[baseline bum]

This sounds nuts but Italy is already seeing 100+ people per day die and that's just one much smaller country.

Wait a week. 100 a day will seem like nothing.

[baseline bum]

I guess the bright side is, if you’re a survivor, this will incite a complete overhaul of the US medical system. For Sanders Coronavirus was a year too late or the election a year too early.

I doubt it. When has the oligarchy ever given a shit about the people before?

[boutons_deux]

This kind of shit really should get Trump booted from office.

his 42% cult mob is rock solid. The facts of his and his kakistocracy's MISgoverning are of no concern to them.

They would deny all facts, and blame everything on the Dems, Hillary, Obama

[picnroll]

I doubt it. When has the oligarchy ever given a shit about the people before?
When’s the last time you saw a pandemic that caused a huge number of serious morbiditiescand mortalities and MASSIVE disruption of the economy?

[hater]

When’s the last time you saw a pandemic that caused a huge number of serious morbiditiescand mortalities and MASSIVE disruption of the economy?

you overestimate americans

they rather duke it out Fallout style with their bibles in one hand and guns in the other than have SOCIALISM :lmao

[baseline bum]

When’s the last time you saw a pandemic that caused a huge number of serious morbiditiescand mortalities and MASSIVE disruption of the economy?

Didn't do anything in 1918.

[ChumpDumper]

When’s the last time you saw a pandemic that caused a huge number of serious morbiditiescand mortalities and MASSIVE disruption of the economy?Yeah, once the survivors can compare our pathetic response to those of other countries there could be some changes coming faster than originally thought.

[hater]

nSXIetP5iak

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't do anything in 1918.I think a couple things have changed over the last 102 years.

[baseline bum]

I think a couple things have changed over the last 102 years.

We pretty much have a roaring 20s government in power. I don't trust anything to change as long as billionaires run the country.

[boutons_deux]

When’s the last time you saw a pandemic that caused a huge number of serious morbiditiescand mortalities and MASSIVE disruption of the economy?

2009 flu pandemic (50K confirmed USA cases)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic


but the Banksters Great Depression world-wide was the pre-occupying crisis

[hater]

I think a couple things have changed over the last 102 years.

apparently not :lmao

[pgardn]

450k US deaths estimated conservatively. They're not going to say that shit publicly.


try a million in next 9 months

and the 2nd wave might be even deadlier

I call BS without looking at updates today.

Show the board how you got these numbers.

[picnroll]

2009 flu pandemic (50K confirmed USA cases)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic


but the Banksters Great Depression world-wide was the pre-occupying crisis
Quite likely/possibly orders of magnitude less.

[baseline bum]

I call BS without looking at updates today.

Show the board how you got these numbers.

I forgot the source but I think it was a hospital association leaking out that they were preparing for 450k deaths. Micheal Osterholm also mentioned that number I think in this interview from yesterday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

450k seems pretty conservative given the state of our healthcare system, the health of our nation, and how difficult it will be to quarantine in a country without a safety net when we're talking about a virus more easy to spread than the flu and which is only 3 months old in humans so we have minimal resistance.

[SnakeBoy]

Even 0.7% mortality rate puts it at ~690k deaths with only a 30% infection rate, so 450k seems very conservative. But we're not going to have a 0.7% mortality rate like South Korea when the test costs $2400 and no one making $11 at an hour at Walmart with a $3000 deductible is taking that test so they can learn they have to stay home and have no money for food, rent, and utilities. We're not going to have a 0.7% mortality rate with how obese our population is. Ultimately, I'll be a little surprised if the death toll is less than 2 million (say a 60% transmission rate with a 1% mortality rate).

I'm just using the conservative number Michael Osterholm used on the Joe Rogan interview.

I'm still hopeful remdesivir proves useful for treating serious cases and reduces the fatality rate. Should find out soon, the clinical trial started Feb 25th


Initially, investigators will compare participant outcomes on day 15 in both the remdesivir group and the placebo group to see if the investigational drug increased clinical benefit compared to placebo. Outcomes are scored on a seven-point scale ranging from fully recovered to death. Investigators will reevaluate this scale after reviewing data from the first 100 participants.

An independent data and safety monitoring board (DSMB) will monitor ongoing results to ensure patient well-being and safety as well as study integrity. The DSMB will recommend the study be halted if there is clear and substantial evidence of a treatment difference between drug and placebo.

[baseline bum]

I'm just using the conservative number Michael Osterholm used on the Joe Rogan interview.

I'm still hopeful remdesivir proves useful for treating serious cases and reduces the fatality rate. Should find out soon, the clinical trial started Feb 25th

Is this something that's going to be able to be manufactured quickly in the tens of millions of doses if it does turn out to work? Especially considering Chinese manufacturing has been brought to its knees.

[SnakeBoy]

Is this something that's going to be able to be manufactured quickly in the tens of millions of doses if it does turn out to work? Especially considering Chinese manufacturing has been brought to its knees.

It's manufactured here by Gilead (ticker GILD). They started ramping production sometime ago. Shipped some to China for trials and the NIH is doing this trial.

It was given to the very first US case under compassionate use. He improved in 24hrs. Here is the case study if you are interested
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

Fingers crossed

[SnakeBoy]

Is this something that's going to be able to be manufactured quickly in the tens of millions of doses if it does turn out to work? Especially considering Chinese manufacturing has been brought to its knees.

Forgot to mention. One of the first things China did went they were shipped the drug was file for a patent on it's use
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-patent-idUSKBN1ZZ0RL

[Darth_Pelican]

450k US deaths estimated conservatively. They're not going to say that shit publicly.

Yeah, it won't even be close to that. Dirty ass China, where people literally live on top of each other, with a population of 1.38 billion, only had 80,790 total cases. That's less than 6% of the population. Of those 80,790 cases, only 3,158 have died. 61,611 have recovered. The spread in China has slowed down significantly.

Here's the stats page:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[baseline bum]

Yeah, it won't even be close to that. Dirty ass China, where people literally live on top of each other, with a population of 1.38 billion, only had 80,790 total cases. That's less than 6% of the population. Of those 80,790 cases, only 3,158 have died. 61,611 have recovered. The spread in China has slowed down significantly.

Here's the stats page:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

What happens when they go back to work though?

[Thread]

Yeah, it won't even be close to that. Dirty ass China, where people literally live on top of each other, with a population of 1.38 billion, only had 80,790 total cases. That's less than 6% of the population. Of those 80,790 cases, only 3,158 have died. 61,611 have recovered. The spread in China has slowed down significantly.

Here's the stats page:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

CNN/MSM won't touch that materiel.

Had to come here to see it.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah, it won't even be close to that. Dirty ass China, where people literally live on top of each other, with a population of 1.38 billion, only had 80,790 total cases. That's less than 6% of the population. Of those 80,790 cases, only 3,158 have died. 61,611 have recovered. The spread in China has slowed down significantly.

Here's the stats page:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Because they are on lock down. They have to show papers just to go to the grocery store. Can't do that forever.

[vy65]

This kind of shit really should get Trump booted from office.

It won't and that's why we deserve this shit

[SnakeBoy]

This kind of shit really should get Trump booted from office.

We'll see. It's hard to predict since this is an historic global event. I expect to see non-stop ads of Biden saying C'mon Man China's no threat C'mon Man

[boutons_deux]

only had 80,790 total cases

so far, and how many are yet to be tested?

[Will Hunting]

This kind of shit really should get Trump booted from office.
Ironically it might if it wipes out a bunch of old people.

[Thread]

Ironically it might if it wipes out a bunch of old people.

- "If you live long enough some bad shit is gonna happen to you."

- Danny Glover - "Grand Canyon"

[DMC]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-statement/index.html

:lol CNN anchor getting her narrative shoved up her ass

[TDMVPDPOY]

1m deaths, how many of them are the old and fragile?

deadbeats of society that society would shed a tear over?

clowns on lifetime welfare who dont contribute?

[TDMVPDPOY]

watching trumps speech, "we are the best" at this and that....

300m+ population, i doubt the health system can cope with the mass influx of monkeys who want tests/treatment...

[Th'Pusher]

This kind of shit really should get Trump booted from office.

Weak minds like authoritarian governments

[Spurminator]

Fucking incredible that even 30% of the country could watch Donald Trump's address to the nation tonight and still wake up tomorrow complaining that the media is too mean to him.

[Trill Clinton]

Even 0.7% mortality rate puts it at ~690k deaths with only a 30% infection rate, so 450k seems very conservative. But we're not going to have a 0.7% mortality rate like South Korea when the test costs $2400 and no one making $11 at an hour at Walmart with a $3000 deductible is taking that test so they can learn they have to stay home and have no money for food, rent, and utilities. We're not going to have a 0.7% mortality rate with how obese our population is. Ultimately, I'll be a little surprised if the death toll is less than 2 million (say a 60% transmission rate with a 1% mortality rate).

Jesus Christ

[DMC]

Fucking incredible that even 30% of the country could watch Donald Trump's address to the nation tonight and still wake up tomorrow complaining that the media is too mean to him.

Virtue signaling again?

[pgardn]

I forgot the source but I think it was a hospital association leaking out that they were preparing for 450k deaths. Micheal Osterholm also mentioned that number I think in this interview from yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw450k seems pretty conservative given the state of our healthcare system, the health of our nation, and how difficult it will be to quarantine in a country without a safety net when we're talking about a virus more easy to spread than the flu and which is only 3 months old in humans so we have minimal resistance.

[boutons_deux]

Trash thinks he can con, lie, distort, hide, as he always entire life, the USA into his unreal Trumpworld fantasy, and he's getting his Exec to play along.

[pgardn]

I forgot the source but I think it was a hospital association leaking out that they were preparing for 450k deaths. Micheal Osterholm also mentioned that number I think in this interview from yesterday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

450k seems pretty conservative given the state of our healthcare system, the health of our nation, and how difficult it will be to quarantine in a country without a safety net when we're talking about a virus more easy to spread than the flu and which is only 3 months old in humans so we have minimal resistance.

The older people who are most vulnerable are already highly sequestered compared to younger folks.
These are the people most likely to die. If nursing homes take precautions I just can’t see that number.
Its also not too late to stretch the incidence of very sick people out so they don’t overwhelm hospitals.

Im gonna go hater and call this number at least 2x too high even though our population is obviously a lot larger compared to when some of the worst pandemics hit; ie there are just a whole bunch more people available for dying. Especially old people.

[Spurminator]

Virtue signaling again?

If you want to call it that, go ahead. It shouldn't be a high bar to expect near universal disgust that this is who we have running the country.

[picnroll]

Trash thinks he can con, lie, distort, hide, as he always entire life, the USA into his unreal Trumpworld fantasy, and he's getting his Exec to play along.

This idiot is so dangerously clueless. Anybody who voted for him should volunteer to be put down for the good of the country in case they’re ever tempted to vote again.

[pgardn]

If you want to call it that, go ahead. It shouldn't be a high bar to expect near universal disgust that this is who we have running the country.

Oh good.

After DMC has diagnosed your virtue signaling he can teach you to be a really bad boy like he is.
Asshole transmission.

[Winehole23]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people.

HHS oversees a broad range of health agencies, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which among other things is responsible for tracking cases and providing guidance nationally on the outbreaks.

The administration officials, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said they could not describe the interactions in the meeting room because they were classified.

An NSC spokesman did not respond to questions about the meetings at HHS. But he defended the administration’s transparency across federal agencies and noted that meetings of the administration’s task force on the coronavirus all are unclassified. It was not immediately clear which meetings he was referring to.

“From day one of the response to the coronavirus, NSC has insisted on the principle of radical transparency,” said the spokesman, John Ullyot. He added that the administration “has cut red tape and set the global standard in protecting the American people under President Trump’s leadership.”

A spokeswoman for the HHS, Katherine McKeogh, issued a statement that did not address questions about classified meetings. Using language that echoed the NSC’s, the department said it that it agreed task-force meetings should be unclassified.

Critics have hammered the Trump administration for what they see as a delayed response to coronavirus outbreaks and a lack of transparency, including sidelining experts and providing misleading or incomplete information to the public. State and local officials also have complained of being kept in the dark about essential federal response information.

U.S. Vice-President Mike Pence, the administration’s point person on coronavirus, vowed on March 3 to offer “real-time information in a steady pace and be fully transparent.” The vice president, appointed by President Donald Trump in late February, is holding regular news briefings and also has pledged to rely on expert guidance.

The meetings at HHS were held in a secure area called a “Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility,” or SCIF, according to the administration officials.

SCIFs are usually reserved for intelligence and military operations. Ordinary cell phones and computers can’t be brought into the chambers. HHS has SCIFs because theoretically it would play a major role in biowarfare or chemical attacks.

A high-level former official who helped address public health outbreaks in the George W. Bush administration said “it’s not normal to classify discussions about a response to a public health crisis.”

Attendees at the meetings included HHS Secretary Alex Azar and his chief of staff Brian Harrison, the officials said. Azar and Harrison resisted the classification of the meetings, the sources said.

HHS did not make Azar or Harrison available for comment.

One of the administration officials told Reuters that when complex issues about a quarantine came up, a high-ranking HHS lawyer with expertise on the issue was not admitted because he did not have the proper security clearance. His input was delayed and offered at an unclassified meeting, the official said.

A fifth source familiar with the meetings said HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”

The coronavirus epidemic originated in China and the administration’s main focus to prevent spread early on was to restrict travel by non-U.S. citizens coming from China and to authorize the quarantine of people entering the United States who may have been exposed to the virus.

One of the administration officials suggested the security clearances for meetings at HHS were imposed not to protect national security but to keep the information within a tight circle, to prevent leaks.

“It seemed to be a tool for the White House - for the NSC - to keep participation in these meetings low,” the official said.Worked great for the USSR in Chernobyl, right??

Too bad Norway detected it.

[baseline bum]

Worked great for the USSR in Chernobyl, right??

Too bad Norway detected it.

And still having 18,000-20,000 people a night packing arenas to watch NBA games at a time when community spread was clear as day (but not official thanks to shit government response) reminds me of the Soviets not saying shit and letting Kiev hold a big parade right after the meltdown at Chernobyl.

[pgardn]

Worked great for the USSR in Chernobyl, right??

Too bad Norway detected it.

Actually it was Belarus first, their own satellite State.
They tried to shut up about 50 scientists but it was too many.

Trump has effectively shut up 50+ senators whenever he wants to, so there’s that.

[picnroll]

The White House scrambles to clarify key details from Trump's speech announcing his coronavirus response

The Trump administration and other officials scrambled to walk back three crucial components of President Donald Trump's nationally-televised address on the US' response to the novel coronavirus, COVID-19.

After Trump announced a 30-day ban on travel from most of Europe to the United States, the Department of Homeland Security clarified that it would exclude US citizens and permanent residents.

Trump also issued a tweet stating that trade of goods between the US and Europe would not be halted after saying the exact opposite in his speech, when he said the ban "will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo but various other things."

A major US health insurance industry group contradicted Trumps' claim that major health insurers would waive co-payments on coronavirus treatments, clarifying the waivers would apply to testing.


https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-scrambles-to-clarify-details-on-coronavirus-response-2020-3

Seriously? And Trump’s campaign is to focus on Biden’s questionable mental competence?

[ElNono]

Yeah, it won't even be close to that. Dirty ass China, where people literally live on top of each other, with a population of 1.38 billion, only had 80,790 total cases. That's less than 6% of the population. Of those 80,790 cases, only 3,158 have died. 61,611 have recovered. The spread in China has slowed down significantly.

Here's the stats page:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This is silly. It's not like the infection just stopped. People that recovered are carriers too, and infections are going to continue in China and elsewhere. Also, 3,158 dead over 80,790 cases is almost 4% fatality rate.

A really, really bad flu season can be as high up as 1%, so yeah, this is pretty bad.

[LkrFan]

This is silly. It's not like the infection just stopped. People that recovered are carriers too, and infections are going to continue in China and elsewhere. Also, 3,158 dead over 80,790 cases is almost 4% fatality rate.

A really, really bad flu season can be as high up as 1%, so yeah, this is pretty bad.

Well said Nono. Truth bombs.

[Winehole23]

Good question

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[Winehole23]

If you want to call it that, go ahead. It shouldn't be a high bar to expect near universal disgust that this is who we have running the country.When I do it it's an opinion, but when you do it, it's virtue signalling.

[DMC]

If you want to call it that, go ahead. It shouldn't be a high bar to expect near universal disgust that this is who we have running the country.

Your fault for putting shebeast against him. Pick your pokemon better.

[DMC]

This is silly. It's not like the infection just stopped. People that recovered are carriers too, and infections are going to continue in China and elsewhere. Also, 3,158 dead over 80,790 cases is almost 4% fatality rate.

A really, really bad flu season can be as high up as 1%, so yeah, this is pretty bad.

Do you know people who died of the flu?

[Winehole23]

Do you know people who died of the flu?Many people do? What's your point?

[boutons_deux]

A really, really bad flu season can be as high up as 1%, so yeah, this is pretty bad.

20%+ for people 80+

Tired of care-taking grandma? infect her with covid-19, which is Paul Gosar/AZ solution for 86-years-old Notorious RBG

[Spurminator]

Your fault for putting shebeast against him. Pick your pokemon better.

I didn't put anyone against him.

[Will Hunting]

Good question

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Seems like his beloved private healthcare can’t adequately respond to coronavirus with getting gubbamint help.

[ChumpDumper]

Seems like his beloved private healthcare can’t adequately respond to coronavirus with getting gubbamint help.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Y9lrwe7pFO3Xa/giphy.gif

[Winehole23]

Seems like his beloved private healthcare can’t adequately respond to coronavirus with getting gubbamint help.We'll need to do more than pray to the hidden hand. To ramp up production of testing kits shit might get nationalized.

[Will Hunting]

We'll need to do more than pray to the hidden hand. To ramp up production of testing kits shit might get nationalized.
I think Little Ben needs to pull himself up by his boot straps and quit expecting coronavirus testing welfare.

[Winehole23]

I think Little Ben needs to pull himself up by his boot straps and quit expecting coronavirus testing welfare.Greedy sick people and other entitled snowflakes think they're owed diagnosis and treatment.

What country do they think they're in?

[ElNono]

Do you know people who died of the flu?

I know people who died from pneumonia, which is what happens when the flu gets out of control. Same as this thing.

[ElNono]

I think Little Ben needs to pull himself up by his boot straps and quit expecting coronavirus testing welfare.

Thoughts and prayers for Little Ben, tbh

[Spurminator]

If you want to call it that, go ahead. It shouldn't be a high bar to expect near universal disgust that this is who we have running the country.

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