If the Spurs draft 11th

[BackHome]

Your positional designations are archaic. Samanic is a "PF", Johnson is a wing, Weatherspoon is short (6'3''), but is long (6'9'') and strong (207) enough to avoid being labeled a small guard.

Equating quantity to quality is foolish. Sure, the biggest positional need is big wings, but the biggest overall need is elite talent.

I doubt Haliburton is available at 11, but if he is, they're not in position to pass on the basis of having Murray and White. He's significantly younger and a significantly better play maker than either. Select him and offer either of them for 15 to select Vassell or Bey.

I think Vassell is going to go on top 10 but I agree if Haliburton you take him and try and trade Murray or White and get Patrick Williams 6’8 SF who I think is still 18 years old or Jalen Smith 6’10 PF/C physical player who can rebound and a good rim protector. Also might look at Seddiq Bey or Alejsej Pokusevski

[Thomas82]

We’d have to get a top 4 pick to get Wiseman. He won’t fall to 11, and we can’t draw a pick pick anywhere between 5 and 10. Just the way the lottery works.

Yeah, I'm aware of that.....just hoping we get lucky.

[keithington1]

My Spurs top targets rn

1.Wiseman
2.Avjdija
3.Nesmith
4.McDaniels
5. Okoro

[spurs50_]

Darn it, Nbadraftnet has Toppin going 2nd.

[Seventyniner]

It's actually impossible for the Spurs to draft #8, unless they get a top 4 pick and trade down, in which case I will hunt down and neuter RC.

The Spurs could also trade up from #11 by adding an asset.

I can't think of what asset that the Spurs would be willing to give up and the team at #8 would be willing to accept, though.

[Uriel]

The Spurs could also trade up from #11 by adding an asset.

I can't think of what asset that the Spurs would be willing to give up and the team at #8 would be willing to accept, though.
How about the draft rights to one of the best big men in Europe?

[slick'81]

So no draft until season is officially cancelled!?

[duncan2150]

Your positional designations are archaic. Samanic is a "PF", Johnson is a wing, Weatherspoon is short (6'3''), but is long (6'9'') and strong (207) enough to avoid being labeled a small guard.

Equating quantity to quality is foolish. Sure, the biggest positional need is big wings, but the biggest overall need is elite talent.

I doubt Haliburton is available at 11, but if he is, they're not in position to pass on the basis of having Murray and White. He's significantly younger and a significantly better play maker than either. Select him and offer either of them for 15 to select Vassell or Bey.


I agree, imo vassel or Haliburton have a good chance of being Available at 11.

You have a bunch of guys who are set to be drafted before
Ball, Wiseman, Edwards, avdija, Hayes, okongwu... Probably Toppin, Anthony... if hali and vassel are drafted in the top 10 then a good prospect will slide.

The only thing I dont get, is the white trade. We already have a lot of youngs, white is a proven player imo and at 26 more mature than others. I will trade him for a ready player not another rookie...

[duncan2150]

So no draft until season is officially cancelled!?

With the lottery in less than one month, we may have some news in the next 2-3 weeks.

[DPG21920]

It's actually impossible for the Spurs to draft #8, unless they get a top 4 pick and trade down, in which case I will hunt down and neuter RC.

They can trade up too. Get pick 11, trade 11 and a future first for 8. Or 11 and Lonnie. Or whatever

[exstatic]

How about the draft rights to one of the best big men in Europe?

He's 25, and just re-signed in Europe. No one cares about big men any more. They're dinosaurs.

[duncan2150]

They can trade up too. Get pick 11, trade 11 and a future first for 8. Or 11 and Lonnie. Or whatever

Lonnie or Another pick to move up three spots ? Imo it's too much, unless you Can move in the top 3-4 i will not give Murray white or Walker.

[Prime BEEF]

If we can move up to get wiseman, Toppin or haliburton you do it. Walker and 1st to move up to get those guys would be worth it. If it’s for someone else, hell no.

[Chinook]

I still like Carey. Think I would be happier with him later in the draft, like if the Spurs make a trade or it the season restarts and SA finds a way to eek into the playoffs. He put up really good numbers as a freshman in a real conference. He's shown he can shoot a bit, and he has some potential as a shooter too. The Spurs have a chance to move up and get an elite talent, but in a scenario where they are looking at talent in the middle of the round, Carey just seems to have the potential the team needs.

[Prime BEEF]

I still like Carey. Think I would be happier with him later in the draft, like if the Spurs make a trade or it the season restarts and SA finds a way to eek into the playoffs. He put up really good numbers as a freshman in a real conference. He's shown he can shoot a bit, and he has some potential as a shooter too. The Spurs have a chance to move up and get an elite talent, but in a scenario where they are looking at talent in the middle of the round, Carey just seems to have the potential the team needs.

Carey Jr will be a solid player. Would love to get him...among others. Lots of good talent in the 5-25 range.

[Chinook]

If we can move up to get wiseman, Toppin or haliburton you do it. Walker and 1st to move up to get those guys would be worth it. If it’s for someone else, hell no.

If "and 1st" means 11, then there's an argument. If it means Walker and another Spurs first, then I can't agree. The Spurs don't need to be losing talent and committing future picks for non-elite prospects. Walker is the last guy on the team the Spurs should be trading as part of a future-oriented move. Some people hate on Lonnie for his slow development, but if it's not a win-now move that somehow puts the LMA/DMDR/Gay core into contending status, the team can afford to give Walker more time. Now if they're trading White, on the other hand, that's a different story. I like Derrick a lot, even more than Murray. But you can certainly argue that he's a bit too old to rebuild with, and he doesn't seem to be consistent enough to build around as a long-term bench player. I don't believe he has the value to get a pick above 11 by himself, but I do think he could get a top-20 pick, and that could give the team a chance to draft a top-tier role-playing forward in addition to going for potential with their natural pick.

Something that's interesting is the idea that the season may resume to a point where the draft occurs when games are still being played. If that happens, how do draft-day trades work? Do they allow them at all? Are they limited to non-player assets? Do they make an exception just for draft day? If it's the third option, there could be a flurry to get stretch-run pieces, especially if they allow expiring players to be part of the exchange.

[look_at_g_shred]

Vassell/Nesmith/Saddiq all should be within reach

[Degoat]

I just feel like sooner or later we’re gonna have to choose are we gonna keep Dwhite for the future or Lonnie, and I think it’ll be Derrick white we keep so why not trade Lonnie + the 11th pick if it’s a guy like Deni, wiseman, Toppin. Plus we have Keldon who honestly looks like a better fit with the team

[duncan2150]

If we can move up to get wiseman, Toppin or haliburton you do it. Walker and 1st to move up to get those guys would be worth it. If it’s for someone else, hell no.

For Wiseman, but for Toppin or Haliburton I will not do it. I could be wrong as nobody knows what Walker will Be in 2-3 years.

[Prime BEEF]

If "and 1st" means 11, then there's an argument. If it means Walker and another Spurs first, then I can't agree. The Spurs don't need to be losing talent and committing future picks for non-elite prospects. Walker is the last guy on the team the Spurs should be trading as part of a future-oriented move. Some people hate on Lonnie for his slow development, but if it's not a win-now move that somehow puts the LMA/DMDR/Gay core into contending status, the team can afford to give Walker more time. Now if they're trading White, on the other hand, that's a different story. I like Derrick a lot, even more than Murray. But you can certainly argue that he's a bit too old to rebuild with, and he doesn't seem to be consistent enough to build around as a long-term bench player. I don't believe he has the value to get a pick above 11 by himself, but I do think he could get a top-20 pick, and that could give the team a chance to draft a top-tier role-playing forward in addition to going for potential with their natural pick.

Something that's interesting is the idea that the season may resume to a point where the draft occurs when games are still being played. If that happens, how do draft-day trades work? Do they allow them at all? Are they limited to non-player assets? Do they make an exception just for draft day? If it's the third option, there could be a flurry to get stretch-run pieces, especially if they allow expiring players to be part of the exchange.
You are correct. The 1st would be this years pick.

[DPG21920]

Btw me using Lonnie as an example was not an endorsement; just an example. Sa should not be trading youth

[Seventyniner]

Btw me using Lonnie as an example was not an endorsement; just an example. Sa should not be trading youth

That was basically my point. Any asset that the team at #8 would want in addition to #11 is too much for the Spurs to be giving up; the other team isn't going to want fodder like Forbes.

[TD 21]

I agree, imo vassel or Haliburton have a good chance of being Available at 11.

You have a bunch of guys who are set to be drafted before
Ball, Wiseman, Edwards, avdija, Hayes, okongwu... Probably Toppin, Anthony... if hali and vassel are drafted in the top 10 then a good prospect will slide.

The only thing I dont get, is the white trade. We already have a lot of youngs, white is a proven player imo and at 26 more mature than others. I will trade him for a ready player not another rookie...

Just because they have a bunch of random young guys, it's not like they're set for the future. They're in the process of determining which are keepers, but higher upside youth is required.

Haliburton probably has it and Maledon debatably does, but they're 6-7 years younger. Since he can be replaced by a significantly younger archetype, it's worth it to at least look into trading White.

Unless they luck into a do it all wing (good luck) to alleviate the scoring/play making burden, as a tandem, Murray and White lack offensive dynamism.



I just feel like sooner or later we’re gonna have to choose are we gonna keep Dwhite for the future or Lonnie, and I think it’ll be Derrick white we keep so why not trade Lonnie + the 11th pick if it’s a guy like Deni, wiseman, Toppin. Plus we have Keldon who honestly looks like a better fit with the team

The decision will likely be between Murray and White and they might have already made it by committing to Murray.

White's situation is similar to Hill's. Near ideal Spur (minus the lack of assertiveness), but circumstances could be conspiring to cut his tenure short.

Walker is the only one who looks like a possible go-to scorer.

[duncan2150]

Just because they have a bunch of random young guys, it's not like they're set for the future. They're in the process of determining which are keepers, but higher upside youth is required.

Haliburton probably has it and Maledon debatably does, but they're 6-7 years younger. Since he can be replaced by a significantly younger archetype, it's worth it to at least look into trading White.

Unless they luck into a do it all wing (good luck) to alleviate the scoring/play making burden, as a tandem, Murray and White lack offensive dynamism.




I can agree with you on that, my preference is to let our youth playing more next year and then make a choice but that's not easy as white will Be fa.

[Thomas82]

I still like Carey. Think I would be happier with him later in the draft, like if the Spurs make a trade or it the season restarts and SA finds a way to eek into the playoffs. He put up really good numbers as a freshman in a real conference. He's shown he can shoot a bit, and he has some potential as a shooter too. The Spurs have a chance to move up and get an elite talent, but in a scenario where they are looking at talent in the middle of the round, Carey just seems to have the potential the team needs.

I like him too, but I would stay away from Duke players.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Just because they have a bunch of random young guys, it's not like they're set for the future. They're in the process of determining which are keepers, but higher upside youth is required.

Haliburton probably has it and Maledon debatably does, but they're 6-7 years younger. Since he can be replaced by a significantly younger archetype, it's worth it to at least look into trading White.

Unless they luck into a do it all wing (good luck) to alleviate the scoring/play making burden, as a tandem, Murray and White lack offensive dynamism.




The decision will likely be between Murray and White and they might have already made it by committing to Murray.

White's situation is similar to Hill's. Near ideal Spur (minus the lack of assertiveness), but circumstances could be conspiring to cut his tenure short.

Walker is the only one who looks like a possible go-to scorer.

Walker is also too timid. We might need to trade all 3 of them of if we somehow get tempting value for them. I'm leaning against the idea of either of them ever being noteworthy.

[bluebellmaniac]

Walker is also too timid. We might need to trade all 3 of them of if we somehow get tempting value for them. I'm leaning against the idea of either of them ever being noteworthy.
:lol :lol :lol

[J_Paco]

Walker is also too timid. We might need to trade all 3 of them of if we somehow get tempting value for them. I'm leaning against the idea of either of them ever being noteworthy.

Dumb take.

They need to hope that two or three of the group (Murray, White, Walker, Samanic and Johnson) emerges into solid building blocks, but I doubt all three guards will be moved.

Especially, when their plenty of other players (Belinelli, Forbes, Gay, Aldridge and DeRozan) that should/could leave or be moved. The team needs to find elite talent (which this draft has very little) and depleting their stock of young talent in a weak draft won't help.

[BackHome]

I would rather trade DEROZZ to get a pick or a good PF or both. The reason is that DEROZZ is so ball dominating player that it stunts the young players growth. Only way to figure out what we have is they all need to be playing max minutes to see what we truly have baptism by fire.

[B1gduff]

Every time i hear someone mention we should trade Walker, plus a few picks to move up a few spots in the draft. i cringe.....Why?

If walker was in this draft, he'd be a top 5 pick, Potentially top 1.

Walker has a higher upside than everyone in this draft

we've seen what Walker can bring (there's room to improve) compared to this unknowns.

[Degoat]

I think Lonnie has all the potential in the world but y’all need to chill about not trading him, he’s had 1 really good game and to say he would be a top 5 pick in this draft is crazy. Did everybody forget his injury concerns? Lol I’m not saying we should trade him either but Calm your man titties

[spurs50_]

NBC Sports has Spurs picking Tyrese Maxey..a 6'2" SG....watch them get it right

[look_at_g_shred]

NBC Sports has Spurs picking Tyrese Maxey..a 6'2" SG....watch them get it right
Fuck that

[BackHome]

God I hope that doesn’t become true.

[Prime BEEF]

I think Lonnie has all the potential in the world but y’all need to chill about not trading him, he’s had 1 really good game and to say he would be a top 5 pick in this draft is crazy. Did everybody forget his injury concerns? Lol I’m not saying we should trade him either but Calm your man titties
Truth

[bluebellmaniac]

27 days until we know where we pick... Maybe.

[TD 21]

I can agree with you on that, my preference is to let our youth playing more next year and then make a choice but that's not easy as white will Be fa.

White will be restricted though and shouldn't break the bank.

They don't have to make a decision now and maybe not period. I just think it'd be prudent to start considering it.



Walker is also too timid. We might need to trade all 3 of them of if we somehow get tempting value for them. I'm leaning against the idea of either of them ever being noteworthy.

He is and I'm also leaning the same way, but it's too early to render a verdict.

The thing is, Murray and Walker are currently more valuable to the Spurs than the rest of the league. Meaning, no one is giving up a high lottery pick for either. Maybe packaging one with 11 gets them a handful of spots higher; but should a team about to enter a rebuild be trading 2 for 1 when the latter doesn't project to be a star?

White is different. He's older, currently better and the type who could either help a good team or a team trying to compete. There's also similar types projected to be available around 11, which is why I keep bringing him up.

[KobesAchilles]

We are either picking the German PG or the French PG. Whichever one falls to us.

[Degoat]

We are either picking the German PG or the French PG. Whichever one falls to us.

honestly both those guys look pretty good lol I don’t want a guard since we have a million already but there not bad especially Killian Hayes

[BacktoBasics]

White will be restricted though and shouldn't break the bank.

That’s the thing with White. People are quick to trade him but you’re not going to return anything greater at his price tag.

Sure you might be able to package up and land something that has potential but I’d rather have a solid rotation player on a good contract than to roll the dice hoping that they strike gold on another mid level project. We’re better off rolling the dice in other areas.

[Chinook]

In a rebuilding context, White's salary is irrelevant. Definitely, if the Spurs' plan is to hit on a lotto pick that will somehow solidify the DMDR/Gay/LMA core into a contender, then having a solid role-player like White on a cheap deal is great. But if you're talking about core pieces, either White's going to be cheap or he's going to be a building block -- he's not going to be both, not in the long term anyway. A strong role-player just doesn't compare to a legit star. I'd rather be paying a legit star the max than having good-value guys but no stars.

You definitely don't trade Derrick just because, but if the Spurs get up in a position where BPA is a PG and have a team on the phone willing to trade a mid-first for White, I think you make that deal. Hopefully for White, it'd lead to him finding a really good home for the rest of his prime. Then the Spurs could roll with that new guard, Murray, Walker, Mills and Weatherspoon as their smalls and target a defensive four with their other first. Then they can roll out DeRozan, that forward, Aldridge, Gay and Poeltl to fill in their 10-man rotation.

[BacktoBasics]

It’s relevant from the standpoint that most teams, especially the Spurs, tend to overpay 2nd and 3rd tier players in order to sell the idea that they’re landing FA’s and upgrading.

I’d rather them lock up White than package up for say a 15-20 pick and then bite off a crappy contract on a flashy player with curb appeal in order to sell the perception that they’ve moved up.

[Chinook]

It’s relevant from the standpoint that most teams, especially the Spurs, tend to overpay 2nd and 3rd tier players in order to sell the idea that they’re landing FA’s and upgrading.

Nah, it's irrelevant because a team without stars should have enough "free money" to where a role-player being cheap doesn't make a difference.


I’d rather them lock up White than package up for say a 15-20 pick and then bite off a crappy contract on a flashy player with curb appeal in order to sell the perception that they’ve moved up.

This is a weird scenario. The Spurs are already at 11 and are very unlikely to draft lower than 12, provided the regular season doesn't start again. Getting a pick between 15 and 20 isn't moving up. It'd be a whole new pick, with 11 or whatever the team's natural pick is being a separate thing. It would be hard to sell the Spurs trade 11 and White for 15. But drafting Haliburton or Edwards for whichever other top guard and then trading White for McDaniels or Bey or Toppin is an easier sell for more reason than just sticker appeal.

[BacktoBasics]

Nah, it's irrelevant because a team without stars should have enough "free money" to where a role-player being cheap doesn't make a difference.



This is a weird scenario. The Spurs are already at 11 and are very unlikely to draft lower than 12, provided the regular season doesn't start again. Getting a pick between 15 and 20 isn't moving up. It'd be a whole new pick, with 11 or whatever the team's natural pick is being a separate thing. It would be hard to sell the Spurs trade 11 and White for 15. But drafting Haliburton or Edwards for whichever other top guard and then trading White for McDaniels or Bey or Toppin is an easier sell for more reason than just sticker appeal.
I meant for an additional pick. As much as some here think it’s possible to move up I honestly don’t think there’s much on our roster that moves the needle enough to move up with any significance.

[DPG21920]

They should not be DOING ANYTHING that involves Derozan, LMA or Rudy in the calculus. They are irrelevant for the future and whether they stay one more year or not you do not factor them in at all to your decision making regarding roster construction.

[Chinook]

I meant for an additional pick. As much as some here think it’s possible to move up I honestly don’t think there’s much on our roster that moves the needle enough to move up with any significance.

I think we all agree that the only realistic way for SA to move up is by getting lucky in the lottery. It wouldn't surprise me to see teams have wildly different boards, though, given the lack of a combine and individual workouts. Not only could that mean that some other team may be willing to move down due to not trusting any top prospects, but the Spurs might also have their target fall to them. I'd say White has similar value to Hill in 2011. Some team might well see him as being better than anyone in the class, especially a team like Phoenix, Orlando and Minny who have plenty of youth but lack steady hands. I don't see trading White to move up as ideal at all, but the Spurs have to trust their staff, and if a blue-chipper falls far enough again, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

[alpha_HaZE]

The Spurs could also trade up from #11 by adding an asset.

I can't think of what asset that the Spurs would be willing to give up and the team at #8 would be willing to accept, though.

They only asset I can think of is DeMar (sign and trade).

[DPG21920]

They only asset I can think of is DeMar (sign and trade).

I dont think moving up will be that hard in this draft at all compared others.

If SA was willing to offer a lottery protected first + 11 I think they could easily move up 3 spots for example (11 to 8). Will they and should they pay that price to do so? That’s another story.

[alpha_HaZE]

I dont think moving up will be that hard in this draft at all compared others.

If SA was willing to offer a lottery protected first + 11 I think they could easily move up 3 spots for example (11 to 8). Will they and should they pay that price to do so? That’s another story.

Sure, that's probably true, good point, but if we don't trade a big contract, we will be at 118mi payroll without paying Jakob, Forbes that can be as high as another 12mi, bringing the total to 130mi and the salary cap will probably go down, and the team lost lots of money this year, and they are not to be frugal so I don't see them wanting to pay $4mi for a rookie player, unless they are really sure he can contribute right away, but then again even if that is the case, they would then need to trade a young player to make space for that pick otherwise we will have way too many young players, nine to be exact.

[exstatic]

I dont think moving up will be that hard in this draft at all compared others.

If SA was willing to offer a lottery protected first + 11 I think they could easily move up 3 spots for example (11 to 8). Will they and should they pay that price to do so? That’s another story.

The draft this year is very even from 5-20. No point in spending an asset to move up a couple of spots. Unless you can get into the top 4, stay put, and draft BPA.

[DPG21920]

The draft this year is very even from 5-20. No point in spending an asset to move up a couple of spots. Unless you can get into the top 4, stay put, and draft BPA.

Sure - I’m not saying what I think SA should do. More outlining the options available and logic behind it.

If SA trades up it’s because they really, really like a guy they don’t think will be there. If that happens, I am fine with that with their history in the lottery/around the lottery.

[spurspl]

1st
james wiseman (worth moving up)
obi toppin (worth moving up)
aaron nesmith
devin vassell
saddiq bey
haliburton

2nd
nwora
tillie
oturu

(if spurs got lucky asf and somehow get haliburton then id recommend to trade loonie for nesmith/vassel/bey

reality:
with 11th overall pick, San Antonio Spurs select.... Nico Mannion

[spurs50_]

Warming up to Nesmith, even at 6'6"

[Prime BEEF]

1st
james wiseman (worth moving up)
obi toppin (worth moving up)
aaron nesmith
devin vassell
saddiq bey
haliburton

2nd
nwora
tillie
oturu

(if spurs got lucky asf and somehow get haliburton then id recommend to trade loonie for nesmith/vassel/bey

reality:
with 11th overall pick, San Antonio Spurs select.... Nico Mannion
lol. Yeah it’ll be nico or an international

getting haliburton and vassel would be incredible. And getting Nwora in the 2nd still possible. That would be a monumentally successful draft. Doesn’t even include any assets we could get for DDR, Murray or LMA.

trade DDR/Murray for Gordon/Ross/bamba.

lineup:
Haliburton/White/Mills
Vassel/KJ
Nwora/Ross
Gordon/Lyles/Gay
LMA/Bamba

use the extra money from not signing Forbes/Marco/Poetl on a solid free agent. Probably at SF. Solid team and young. Fun to dream.

[BackHome]

I definitely could live with that draft Spurspl.

I Agee with the above Nesmith is totally butter on offense just so smooth if his defense is good he would be great player to pick.

For me looking at the 2nd round would be;
Carlos Alocen - PG - Spain - 6’4 - Good shooter great half court general
Xavier Tillman - PF- 6’8 - Great rebounder can guard 2 - 4 impacts the game without touches
Desmond Bane - SG/SF - 6’6 - Great shooter and plays defense like Keldon

[Degoat]

I hope they don’t postpone the NBA draft

[tim_duncan_fan]

What's the selling point on Obi?

I won't pretend to have watched lots of tape, but he seems like he'll be just a B-tier guy and have a long but not amazing career.

[Degoat]

What's the selling point on Obi?

I won't pretend to have watched lots of tape, but he seems like he'll be just a B-tier guy and have a long but not amazing career.

I’ve seen some Amare Stoudemire comparisons and they seem pretty spot on but Obi can shoot 3’s too. He’s an exciting player plus is a position the spurs really need lol

[pad300]

I'm thinking that moving around (either up or down) in this draft is going to be difficult to get right. Without March Madness and the combine, there's no general consensus on ranking the prospects. It's hard to say who will fall where, either in your range or what you trade for. For example, The Stepien has Wiseman in their second tier of prospects (5-13), whereas Tankathon has him 1st overall...

[tim_duncan_fan]

I’ve seen some Amare Stoudemire comparisons and they seem pretty spot on but Obi can shoot 3’s too. He’s an exciting player plus is a position the spurs really need lol

He's got Stoudemire athleticism? I guess I didn't watch enough. Thought he was a little more plodding than that and not as vertical.

[exstatic]

I'm thinking that moving around (either up or down) in this draft is going to be difficult to get right. Without March Madness and the combine, there's no general consensus on ranking the prospects. It's hard to say who will fall where, either in your range or what you trade for. For example, The Stepien has Wiseman in their second tier of prospects (5-13), whereas Tankathon has him 1st overall...

The tournament and the combine are where the other teams catch up, often grabbing players they hadn’t known about, but the Spurs had. Maybe no one jumps in front of us for this year’s Batum or Gobert.

Advantage: Spurs.

[Dejounte]

The tournament and the combine are where the other teams catch up, often grabbing players they hadn’t known about, but the Spurs had. Maybe no one jumps in front of us for this year’s Batum or Gobert.

Advantage: Spurs.

Exactly. I feel good about the Spurs getting the best player in this draft even if they dont get a top pick. My hope is finally a player who can guard SFs

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs should draft that midget johnny newman...since patfo loves drafting undersize chumps

[Russ]

The tournament and the combine are where the other teams catch up, often grabbing players they hadn’t known about, but the Spurs had. Maybe no one jumps in front of us for this year’s Batum or Gobert.

Advantage: Spurs.

Yep. The Spurs used to avoid working out the players they really liked for fear other teams would take notice -- that's how good their reputation was/is.

No need to worry about that this year.

[TD 21]

That’s the thing with White. People are quick to trade him but you’re not going to return anything greater at his price tag.


Sure you might be able to package up and land something that has potential but I’d rather have a solid rotation player on a good contract than to roll the dice hoping that they strike gold on another mid level project. We’re better off rolling the dice in other areas.

Maybe not, but as I've alluded to, they could essentially reset the clock with a 6-7 year younger version.

They don't need to strike gold by picking a prospect in the mid round and having them hopefully develop into either a low end starter or high end backup.



In a rebuilding context, White's salary is irrelevant. Definitely, if the Spurs' plan is to hit on a lotto pick that will somehow solidify the DMDR/Gay/LMA core into a contender, then having a solid role-player like White on a cheap deal is great. But if you're talking about core pieces, either White's going to be cheap or he's going to be a building block -- he's not going to be both, not in the long term anyway. A strong role-player just doesn't compare to a legit star. I'd rather be paying a legit star the max than having good-value guys but no stars.

You definitely don't trade Derrick just because, but if the Spurs get up in a position where BPA is a PG and have a team on the phone willing to trade a mid-first for White, I think you make that deal. Hopefully for White, it'd lead to him finding a really good home for the rest of his prime. Then the Spurs could roll with that new guard, Murray, Walker, Mills and Weatherspoon as their smalls and target a defensive four with their other first. Then they can roll out DeRozan, that forward, Aldridge, Gay and Poeltl to fill in their 10-man rotation.

It is, but I just don't see Murray and White as a long term thing. Not unless Walker develops into a featured offensive player and they luck into a "SF" who can be one too.

No such thing. They're too inherently flawed.

Definitely. I've thrown out some names as examples, but obviously they'd have to think relatively highly of one to pull the trigger.

[BackHome]

They better not change the draft I loved that the NFL did not change there draft dats NBA should do the same.

I agree with Exstatic tired of other teams poaching on Spurs draft picks. As someone said this is going to be the most interesting draft ever no one knows after pick 4 in this draft.

[spurspl]

lol. Yeah it’ll be nico or an international

getting haliburton and vassel would be incredible. And getting Nwora in the 2nd still possible. That would be a monumentally successful draft. Doesn’t even include any assets we could get for DDR, Murray or LMA.

trade DDR/Murray for Gordon/Ross/bamba.

lineup:
Haliburton/White/Mills
Vassel/KJ
Nwora/Ross
Gordon/Lyles/Gay
LMA/Bamba

use the extra money from not signing Forbes/Marco/Poetl on a solid free agent. Probably at SF. Solid team and young. Fun to dream.

amen.

btw i think that even if spurs aint get haliburton, then its still worth to trade loonie for neismith/bey while picking vessel via our pick.
Both of them would perfectly cover murrays weaknesses and so more important murray finally gets a teamates who can really shot 3s.
of course, that aint solve our problem with forwards but as u said we still have some assets to trade for forwards like ddr - gordon.

[BacktoBasics]

There’s nothing in this draft outside top 4 that I could justify moving Lonnie for.

Lonnie is hamstrung by coaching, nothing more. He’d be a full blown rotation playing making an impact on 90% of the teams in the league.

[spurspl]

There’s nothing in this draft outside top 4 that I could justify moving Lonnie for.

Lonnie is hamstrung by coaching, nothing more. He’d be a full blown rotation playing making an impact on 90% of the teams in the league.

shitty coaching by pop is also an issue. But imo still these 3 guys (vessell,nesmith,bey) have more potential than lonnie had.

[Degoat]

Lonnie Walker would be another iman Shumpert if Pop & Co weren’t developing him lol

[Collins21]

shitty coaching by pop is also an issue. But imo still these 3 guys (vessell,nesmith,bey) have more potential than lonnie had.

Hell no I'm not a huge fan of Walker. but if not for cocerns about his knee he was a top 10 puck. The only reason the Spurs got him was because of his knee. He was by far abetter player than any of those dudes you named in college.

[Dejounte]

When will we know when the draft would be

[exstatic]

When will we know when the draft would be

When they announce it.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1253765671651086338

[bluebellmaniac]

25 days until we know where we pick... Maybe

[bluebellmaniac]

24 days until we know where we pick... Maybe

[spurspl]

what do u think about possiblity to get top5 pick for murray? Any chances? then spurs could probably draft obi and with own pick vessel.

white/loonie/vessel/obi/lma pretty damn solid and young s5.

[Ignazzz]

We dont need top 5 for Murray. Not this draft.

[exstatic]

what do u think about possiblity to get top5 pick for murray? Any chances? then spurs could probably draft obi and with own pick vessel.

white/loonie/vessel/obi/lma pretty damn solid and young s5.

No one is giving up a top 5 pick for Murray.

[FutureMan]

No one is giving up a top 5 pick for Murray.

Right, it would have to be Murray and our 11th.

[spurspl]

No one is giving up a top 5 pick for Murray.
thts what i thought


Right, it would have to be Murray and our 11th.
id take that trade if we got obi or wiseman tbh

[FutureMan]

thts what i thought


id take that trade if we got obi or wiseman tbh

Wiseman for sure. I keep going back and forth about trading up for anyone else. I know the Knicks and the Spurs don’t get along but if Wiseman falls to 6th the trade would make sense for both teams.

[talkspurs]

I would not trade Murray. I would trade white or walker. White is older and I just dont see it in walker. Murray is also on a good deal for 4 years. Next year he may be about what he is paid but the 3 years after that will be a deal. I dont see why so many people want to move him. he has roven more then Walker has. White has proven to be good too but is older then the others.

[BacktoBasics]

I agree about Murray. He’s on a killer deal. Even if he only gets incrementally better there’s no deal out there that would be equal in value and potential doesn’t significantly move the needle for me. It would have to be a giant move.

Everyone is so open to moving Lonnie but he’s got to be the most interesting prospect on the team. Lonnie’s the kind of player that would thrive in most if not all modern offensive systems. I really think they would regret moving him. Pop doesn’t have the courage but he should take the Aldridge approach with Walker. Just get out of way and let him play his game. You could clearly see Walker playing with fear. Dude is not Kawhi, you can’t bottle that shit up for a later date.

[cd021]

I would not trade Murray. I would trade white or walker. White is older and I just dont see it in walker. Murray is also on a good deal for 4 years. Next year he may be about what he is paid but the 3 years after that will be a deal. I dont see why so many people want to move him. he has roven more then Walker has. White has proven to be good too but is older then the others.

I would trade White but not Murray or Walker tbh. White is about to get paid and is almost 26, moving him now to acquire a younger prospect. Murray still has plenty of potential, as does Walker. I'd keep them until they either live up to it or prove that they aren't the future.

[cd021]

He's got Stoudemire athleticism? I guess I didn't watch enough. Thought he was a little more plodding than that and not as vertical.

He's definitely athletic, just not Stoudimire athletic, but his game still resembles Amare. He isn't as athletic laterally, which could affect his defensive potential, but has freakishly long arms so he could possibly develop into a rim protector.

[TD 21]

With the luck this franchise has had in the past half decade, watch Vassell go in the 7-10 range. Normally, someone "reaching" like that is good news, because it means a supposedly better prospect falls. In this case, the consensus top 8 should all still be gone by 11, leaving them to choose from a host of unappealing options.

Drafting legit 3 and D wings is essential, because the alternative is giving out bloated contracts to borderline ones or starting a player who's a clear liability at one or the other.

[DPG21920]

I think white is going to get less than Murray; so I wouldn’t be too worried about his deal. If you believe Murray/White can be the starting 1/2 and White will make a little less than Murray? That’s great value for the starting back court.

I would not be trading ANY youth if I’m Sa unless it lands me a young already all star in the deal or unless they feel there’s another true franchise changing star in the draft they need to move up for.

But hopefully they just land a top 4 pick and can get their guy without trading ;)

[spurspl]

patrick williams and vernon look good too. They are projected at the end of the 1st round. Moving up for one of them using our 2nd +asset (like keldon) would be great.

[spurspl]

patrick williams and vernon look good too. They are projected at the end of the 1st round. Moving up for one of them using our 2nd +asset (like keldon/samanic or even white) would be great.
murray/lonnie/vessel/williams/lma

[TD 21]

I think white is going to get less than Murray; so I wouldn’t be too worried about his deal. If you believe Murray/White can be the starting 1/2 and White will make a little less than Murray? That’s great value for the starting back court.

I would not be trading ANY youth if I’m Sa unless it lands me a young already all star in the deal or unless they feel there’s another true franchise changing star in the draft they need to move up for.

But hopefully they just land a top 4 pick and can get their guy without trading ;)

Theoretically, but if they're a long term starting back court, then they have to luck into a rarer archetype (do it all big wing or point center) to build an offense around.

They've already committed to Murray and desperately need what Walker could be, which probably means White's long term future here is 6th man/3rd guard and he might be 30 by the time the team is good again.

I like everything about him but the lack of assertiveness. Unfortunately, the fact that he so willingly took being demoted (despite playing better last season than Murray ever has) was further proof of that. Also, stagnating or worse at 25, was not a good look.

[FutureMan]

Theoretically, but if they're a long term starting back court, then they have to luck into a rarer archetype (do it all big wing or point center) to build an offense around.

They've already committed to Murray and desperately need what Walker could be, which probably means White's long term future here is 6th man/3rd guard and he might be 30 by the time the team is good again.

I like everything about him but the lack of assertiveness. Unfortunately, the fact that he so willingly took being demoted (despite playing better last season than Murray ever has) was further proof of that. Also, stagnating or worse at 25, was not a good look.

This. And from a contract standpoint you typically want 2-3 max players and just 3-4 mid level deals. Murrays under contract, they still have their mid level, and that leaves only two more at the most. I think with all the rookies we have right now there is real possibility of them turning into them needing it for Lonnie, Johnson, or evening Samanic. If there is a way to keep White AND still find a new alpha or two to run this team then maybe.

[exstatic]

With the luck this franchise has had in the past half decade, watch Vassell go in the 7-10 range. Normally, someone "reaching" like that is good news, because it means a supposedly better prospect falls. In this case, the consensus top 8 should all still be gone by 11, leaving them to choose from a host of unappealing options.

Drafting legit 3 and D wings is essential, because the alternative is giving out bloated contracts to borderline ones or starting a player who's a clear liability at one or the other.

If you’ve studied this draft, there isn’t much, of any, differentiation of talent between 5 and 20. Unless you get into the top 3, maybe 4, there just isn’t a real reason to give up an asset. People HERE will have their favorites, but the difference just isn’t enough.

[exstatic]

Theoretically, but if they're a long term starting back court, then they have to luck into a rarer archetype (do it all big wing or point center) to build an offense around.

They've already committed to Murray and desperately need what Walker could be, which probably means White's long term future here is 6th man/3rd guard and he might be 30 by the time the team is good again.

I like everything about him but the lack of assertiveness. Unfortunately, the fact that he so willingly took being demoted (despite playing better last season than Murray ever has) was further proof of that. Also, stagnating or worse at 25, was not a good look.

Yes, and Manu was such a beta for not fighting going to the bench.:rolleyes

[lmbebo]

Hard to say what White/Walker/Murray can be. Feel like they're development has been blunted by DDR and Forbes. Belli to a lesser degree.

Either way, they all need to become better outside shooters. Someone needs to learn to run an offense as well... White I think has the best ability there.

[bluebellmaniac]

22 days until we know where we pick... Maybe

[TD 21]

If you’ve studied this draft, there isn’t much, of any, differentiation of talent between 5 and 20. Unless you get into the top 3, maybe 4, there just isn’t a real reason to give up an asset. People HERE will have their favorites, but the difference just isn’t enough.

I didn't suggest otherwise.


Yes, and Manu was such a beta for not fighting going to the bench.:rolleyes

Completely different circumstances (balance purposes on a perennial elite team) and he was not pleased with it initially, but accepted it for the good of the team. He had also already emerged as one of the best players in the world and was, in part, acquiescing for a player on the way to joining those ranks.

White not pouting publicly or body language wise was obviously the right thing to do, but his play should have told a different story.

Your god has even admitted that he needs to be more assertive.

[cd021]

Hard to say what White/Walker/Murray can be. Feel like they're development has been blunted by DDR and Forbes. Belli to a lesser degree.

Either way, they all need to become better outside shooters. Someone needs to learn to run an offense as well... White I think has the best ability there.

Agreed. Spurs need to give them the keys, to see what they can become. DDR is an good play maker but that comes at the expense of putting the ball in the hands of Murray, White, or Walker.

Murray's shown strong progress as a shooter, he needs to build on his success and improve his volume. I think Walker is a pretty good outside shooter, while I still can't peg whether White is or not.

[exstatic]

The thing that bugs me about Toppin is that he's 22. That in itself is a bad thing for a potential high pick. Pile on top of that the fact that he's listed as a sophomore. He has no more D1 experience than most 20 YOs in the draft.

[Dejounte]

The thing that bugs me about Toppin is that he's 22. That in itself is a bad thing for a potential high pick. Pile on top of that the fact that he's listed as a sophomore. He has no more D1 experience than most 20 YOs in the draft.

The Spurs apparently worked him out last year before he decided to stay in college. Pretty interesting that the Spurs knew he would be this good in college this year.

[exstatic]

The Spurs apparently worked him out last year before he decided to stay in college. Pretty interesting that the Spurs knew he would be this good in college this year.

Bodes well for this year.

[spurspl]

The Spurs apparently worked him out last year before he decided to stay in college. Pretty interesting that the Spurs knew he would be this good in college this year.

so we have a great scouting stuff but never tanked to get an opportunity to draft those good prospects?? thats frustrating, hope that this year spurs wont screw this up

[ace3g]

Right now one of my draft candidates is Aleksej Pokusevski - good defensive instincts.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Isiah Stewart is going to give us the business with Dallas 4 times a year lmao. Gonna bully everyone on our team.

[BackHome]

Right now one of my draft candidates is Aleksej Pokusevski - good defensive instincts.

I like him he is definitely moving up the draft boards my only concern is his shoulders are so narrow I don’t know how much muscle he could add and he is very thin. But he is the youngest player in the draft and he has a nice outside shot and doesn’t mind rebounding and blocking shots so I believe he will be off the board by pick 15.

My top 4 are:
1. Deni Avdija - SF
2. Tyrese Haliburton- PG
3. RJ Hampton - PG/SG
4. Patrick Williams- PF/SF

[Dejounte]

Patrick Williams is another Metu. No thanks.

Whats the fascination with having another PG who will take years to learn the system? Let DJ and/or White grow

[Russ]

The thing that bugs me about Toppin is that he's 22. That in itself is a bad thing for a potential high pick. Pile on top of that the fact that he's listed as a sophomore. He has no more D1 experience than most 20 YOs in the draft.

He’s the only 22 year old I like in this draft.

He looks a bit like LMA with more athleticism (and LMA still has a decent amount).

He’ll definitely thrive in the full court game (more than LMA) due to his motor.

NBADraft.net rates him a 9 (the highest) in both athleticism and size – that’s rare.

Pretty sure he’ll be gone by 5.

[Degoat]

Anybody think Obi Toppin could fall like Brandon Clarke did last draft tho?

[talkspurs]

I am on the shaddiq Bey Bandwagon. Good 3 and D player. also is a SF. If we could trade down a few spots I would not be opposed to it. I see players going all over in this draft so it will be hard to know where people will be drafted.

[MaNu4Tres]

Theoretically, but if they're a long term starting back court, then they have to luck into a rarer archetype (do it all big wing or point center) to build an offense around.

They've already committed to Murray and desperately need what Walker could be, which probably means White's long term future here is 6th man/3rd guard and he might be 30 by the time the team is good again.

I like everything about him but the lack of assertiveness. Unfortunately, the fact that he so willingly took being demoted (despite playing better last season than Murray ever has) was further proof of that. Also, stagnating or worse at 25, was not a good look.

It's a big summer for Derrick.

Last summer, he didn't get to follow his workout/development plan because of Team USA. That was a big reason we saw him plateau a bit. It also didn't help that Pop did him no favors in regards to playing time and touches (how did Bryn play more?)

This summer, he has big plans to focus on personal growth over everything else. 4-5 hours a day.

I expect him to have his best season next year.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs need to draft Devin Vassell at 11.

Saddiq Bey wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

[Collins21]

It's a big summer for Derrick.

Last summer, he didn't get to follow his workout/development plan because of Team USA. That was a big reason we saw him plateau a bit. It also didn't help that Pop did him no favors in regards to playing time and touches (how did Bryn play more?)

This summer, he has big plans to focus on personal growth over everything else. 4-5 hours a day.

I expect him to have his best season next year.

That's cool to think but some of us in the Denver/ Parker area know that for as talented as he is his mentality will always hold him back. I'm from Parker and I love Derricks game but he has always had a mentality that will cause him to never reach his full potential. That's why when y'all were saying he was going to be Brandon Roy I didn't buy it because he doesn't possess Roy's mentality even though I think he does a lot of things better than Roy.

[FutureMan]

It's a big summer for Derrick.

Last summer, he didn't get to follow his workout/development plan because of Team USA. That was a big reason we saw him plateau a bit. It also didn't help that Pop did him no favors in regards to playing time and touches (how did Bryn play more?)

This summer, he has big plans to focus on personal growth over everything else. 4-5 hours a day.

I expect him to have his best season next year.

Oh, he’ll have his best year. For this number one reason. Contract year.

[FutureMan]

Who knows maybe they’ll sit him a lot like Poeltl to help get him on a good contract haha

[objective]

I haven't dived too deep but I also am liking Saddiq Bey. There are some wildly varying opinions on him, like the positive video from Adam Spinella versus the rather pessmistic Draft Dummies podcast. But I like what I see enough.

He may not be a #1 defensive go-to wing, far from it. But in a lineup with any 2 of Murray/Walker/White/Johnson he probably wouldn't be asked to check the best scoring wings anyway. One thing I am sure of is that he'd be a better defensive presence than Bryn Forbes.

[objective]

It's a big summer for Derrick.

Last summer, he didn't get to follow his workout/development plan because of Team USA. That was a big reason we saw him plateau a bit. It also didn't help that Pop did him no favors in regards to playing time and touches (how did Bryn play more?)

This summer, he has big plans to focus on personal growth over everything else. 4-5 hours a day.

I expect him to have his best season next year.

I don't expect him to be a Spur next year.

Spurs decisions are incredibly poor and unsound. Their Knicks-ian approach or Vlade-type conclusions lead me to believe that White will be dumped for way under value. The front office that signed DeMarre Carroll and Marco and screwed up with Bertans and the coaching staff that refused to play White and Murray together for half an NBA season are still in charge and that means doing dumb things like trading White.

[tbdog]

Spurs have done a good job keeping their rookie contracts that they want. If they want to keep white, they will.

[cd021]

Anybody think Obi Toppin could fall like Brandon Clarke did last draft tho?
Brandon Clarke has some serious question marks that caused him to fall. Toppin's biggest knock is probably his age. Also, apparently he is pretty slow laterally. Probably still a top 7 pick.

[cd021]

Spurs have done a good job keeping their rookie contracts that they want. If they want to keep white, they will.

I tend to think that they should at least explore trading White, regardless of whom they draft. If it turns out to be Hampton or Maledon that they draft, then they obviously should move White. Technically, the could re-sign him then trade him later for a better asset in that scenario.

[spurspl]

btw how about trading back ddr and 2nd pick to toronto for marc gasol + 1st pick? we could get patrick williams, vernon, jalen smith or paul reed with their pick. Finally we could fill in the gap on a pf/c spots while still keeping our young guards + draft another one like vassel/bey/neismith/haliburton(god please) or even hampton

[exstatic]

btw how about trading back ddr and 2nd pick to toronto for marc gasol + 1st pick? we could get patrick williams, vernon, jalen smith or paul reed with their pick. Finally we could fill in the gap on a pf/c spots while still keeping our young guards + draft another one like vassel/bey/neismith/haliburton(god please) or even hampton

Fat Gasol is ancient, in NBA terms, and LMA is too slow now to play PF.

If they want DD back, and he really wants to go, I'm not taking anything less than Anunoby. We're not under the gun here.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

btw how about trading back ddr and 2nd pick to toronto for marc gasol + 1st pick? we could get patrick williams, vernon, jalen smith or paul reed with their pick. Finally we could fill in the gap on a pf/c spots while still keeping our young guards + draft another one like vassel/bey/neismith/haliburton(god please) or even hampton

Both are expiring. Can't trade them.

[exstatic]

Both are expiring. Can't trade them.

Not even remotely true. Only players signing a one year contract, or accepting a year 5 QO, which is a one year contract, cannot be traded without their consent. Expirings can be traded at any time, as long as they follow the rules, which have changed a bit. If you had an expiring with 3 million guaranteed out of 20, you used to be able to take back 20, and the other team got a huge break by releasing the player and only having to pay them 3M. Now, you can only take back the guaranteed part, or 3M.

[Prime BEEF]

I don't expect him to be a Spur next year.

Spurs decisions are incredibly poor and unsound. Their Knicks-ian approach or Vlade-type conclusions lead me to believe that White will be dumped for way under value. The front office that signed DeMarre Carroll and Marco and screwed up with Bertans and the coaching staff that refused to play White and Murray together for half an NBA season are still in charge and that means doing dumb things like trading White.
This is the biggest issue. The FO has pushed the stupidity lever into overdrive since the patty and pau contracts. And I haven’t seen any evidence of them pulling the stupidity lever back down.

i enjoy the draft options discussions and the trade discussions. I have my preferences but a lot of them are sound options. But we all know the FO will do their own thing.

[TXstbobcat]

Anybody think Obi Toppin could fall like Brandon Clarke did last draft tho?

no chance of that. He will be picked in the top 4.

[exstatic]

This is the biggest issue. The FO has pushed the stupidity lever into overdrive since the patty and pau contracts. And I haven’t seen any evidence of them pulling the stupidity lever back down.

i enjoy the draft options discussions and the trade discussions. I have my preferences but a lot of them are sound options. But we all know the FO will do their own thing.

The FO drafts best player available, and have done a pretty damn good job. People get enraged with them when they don't draft the player THEY want, or don't reach for a position of need. Spurs don't do that, so perhaps peeps need to stop projecting their wishes onto PATFO.

DJ
White
Lonnie
Luka
Keldon

Those are all solid post-lottery first round picks.

[bluebellmaniac]

The FO drafts best player available, and have done a pretty damn good job. People get enraged with them when they don't draft the player THEY want, or don't reach for a position of need. Spurs don't do that, so perhaps peeps need to stop projecting their wishes onto PATFO.

DJ
White
Lonnie
Luka
Keldon

Those are all solid post-lottery first round picks.

+1

[spurspl]

Fat Gasol is ancient, in NBA terms, and LMA is too slow now to play PF.

If they want DD back, and he really wants to go, I'm not taking anything less than Anunoby. We're not under the gun here.

agree bout gasol and lma but imo better is having gasol (1year) + prospective rookiePF/C than DDR and mid 2nd round. Plus we get rid of DDR which is the key to the development of our young guys (and still dont know what about his player option). Lets be realistic its HIGH TIME to rebuild. Draft youngies and give them as much minutes as we can (in nba not fking gleague). Maybe in 1-2 seasons some of them become a star.

[slick'81]

The NBA is "unlikely" to hold the draft lottery as scheduled on May 19, according to Anthony Slater of The Athletic.
"May is still considered a runway of sorts in the NBA, the remaining information-gathering cushion before definitive decisions will have to be made the following month," Slater writes. Teams would like multiple weeks between the lottery and the actual draft, giving them sufficient time to evaluate players and develop strategies -- made more difficult since teams are unlikely to see players in person.

SOURCE: The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1775090/2020/04/28/what-does-next-month-look-like-for-the-warriors-the-nba-and-the-draft-lottery/?source=emp_shared_article)
Apr 29, 2020, 9:52 AM ET

[lmbebo]

The NBA is "unlikely" to hold the draft lottery as scheduled on May 19, according to Anthony Slater of The Athletic.


"May is still considered a runway of sorts in the NBA, the remaining information-gathering cushion before definitive decisions will have to be made the following month," Slater writes. Teams would like multiple weeks between the lottery and the actual draft, giving them sufficient time to evaluate players and develop strategies -- made more difficult since teams are unlikely to see players in person.

SOURCE: The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1775090/2020/04/28/what-does-next-month-look-like-for-the-warriors-the-nba-and-the-draft-lottery/?source=emp_shared_article)
Apr 29, 2020, 9:52 AM ET



Draft lottery is just for positioning, maybe delay draft itself?

[exstatic]

Draft lottery is just for positioning, maybe delay draft itself?

No need. The lottery date is pretty arbitrary, and designed to fall in the mid to late playoffs for effect. They could hold the draft at the normal late June date, and literally have the lottery the day before. Most teams have a draft board, and just select BPA. They wouldn't need time between lottery and draft if they've done their scouting and interviews.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not even remotely true. Only players signing a one year contract, or accepting a year 5 QO, which is a one year contract, cannot be traded without their consent. Expirings can be traded at any time, as long as they follow the rules, which have changed a bit. If you had an expiring with 3 million guaranteed out of 20, you used to be able to take back 20, and the other team got a huge break by releasing the player and only having to pay them 3M. Now, you can only take back the guaranteed part, or 3M.

Expirings can't be traded after the trade deadline. You can't trade an expiring contract on draft night.

[Dejounte]

Wait thats dumb as hell to delay the lottery. Whyyyy

[Degoat]

I’m assuming they’d delay the lottery because they want all teams to resume playing to make a playoff push if they are close, maybe the spurs can lose a couple games to get the 10th pick lol

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1255549292510457856

[TD 21]

It's a big summer for Derrick.

Last summer, he didn't get to follow his workout/development plan because of Team USA. That was a big reason we saw him plateau a bit. It also didn't help that Pop did him no favors in regards to playing time and touches (how did Bryn play more?)

This summer, he has big plans to focus on personal growth over everything else. 4-5 hours a day.

I expect him to have his best season next year.

He had a few months before Team USA camp and on the heels of the way he finished the season and his camp, his confidence should have been sky high, setting up to be a springboard into the World Cup and the start of the regular season. Instead, he struggled at both.

There were rumors he was battling plantar fasciitis early on, so maybe that contributed, but given all that and his age, the stagnation was disappointing and concerning.

Pop deserves ample criticism for a myriad of reasons, but at the same time none of Murray/White/Walker exactly grabbed the bull by the horns and forced their hand. Johnson showed more of that in limited daylight before the stoppage than they had all season.

[Collins21]

He had a few months before Team USA camp and on the heels of the way he finished the season and his camp, his confidence should have been sky high, setting up to be a springboard into the World Cup and the start of the regular season. Instead, he struggled at both.

There were rumors he was battling plantar fasciitis early on, so maybe that contributed, but given all that and his age, the stagnation was disappointing and concerning.

Pop deserves ample criticism for a myriad of reasons, but at the same time none of Murray/White/Walker exactly grabbed the bull by the horns and forced their hand. Johnson showed more of that in limited daylight before the stoppage than they had all season.

Yup I've seen more from Keldon to inspire confidence then all the others combined. Keldon Johnson was suppose to be a lottery pick from everything I read during the draft last year the fact that he went 29th still surprises me. I think a lot of people make excuse for Lonnie, Derrick and Dejounte. I think that of them Derrick is the best player but he's too under confident. Lonnie and Dejounte have to prove something before I say that they are building pieces. The fact that Dejounte is going into his 4th season and still can't finish at the rim is concerning.

[Prime BEEF]

The FO drafts best player available, and have done a pretty damn good job. People get enraged with them when they don't draft the player THEY want, or don't reach for a position of need. Spurs don't do that, so perhaps peeps need to stop projecting their wishes onto PATFO.

DJ
White
Lonnie
Luka
Keldon

Those are all solid post-lottery first round picks.
Ah yes. Truly wonderful foundation to build on. If we can make excellent picks like this over the next 4 drafts we’ll definitely be contenders.

There was better talent available at each pick. And it was obvious at the time (no need for Monday morning QBing). I watch more NCAA than NBA. I wanted these guys at the time the picks were made. Still probably wouldn’t be contenders but we’d be a lot better off. Brogdon on the 2016-2017 season team would’ve been fun. That one bugs me the most. It was such an obvious choice at the time.

2016- Malcolm Brogdon
2017- Josh Hart
2018- Wagner or Okogie
2019- Clarke instead of Luka

[talkspurs]

Ah yes. Truly wonderful foundation to build on. If we can make excellent picks like this over the next 4 drafts we’ll definitely be contenders.

There was better talent available at each pick. And it was obvious at the time (no need for Monday morning QBing). I watch more NCAA than NBA. I wanted these guys at the time the picks were made. Still probably wouldn’t be contenders but we’d be a lot better off. Brogdon on the 2016-2017 season team would’ve been fun. That one bugs me the most. It was such an obvious choice at the time.

2016- Malcolm Brogdon
2017- Josh Hart
2018- Wagner or Okogie
2019- Clarke instead of Luka

You say these are obvious but yet I would say none are far and away better. I actually like Murray better then Brogdon, White and Hart is a tossup to me. I would like Wagner over Walker but I am not high on walker and wagner fits a position of need. Im excited about luka and KJ. 1 year in on both of these to me is to early to tell. they could both be bust or could turn into something.

[look_at_g_shred]

I want Killian but we’d need a top 5 pick for that :(

[Vienna]

Damn Corona makes me do what I didn’t do for 5 years. Post at ST. but it’s boring as hell with no basketball and soccer and so I had to waste some time. This are my thoughts on some players of this draft and I write them for myself to somehow get an idea what the Spurs could or should do. Like it or not. I’m out for the next 5 years anyway.

Obi Toppin. He might be available at 11, because he will slip. he is likely the most overrated player in this draft. The lack of elite talent makes the experts hype a decent offensive player as if he was set to become a sure fire star. First off, A10 is a joke. 66 games in two seasons and just five or six vs. somehow competitive teams. Did Toppin dominate in any of those games? (he didn’t). yes, he can drop 30 on Duquesne (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2184/duquesne-dukes) or the George Washington Colonials, he would also drop 30 on the Washington Generals. I don’t claim he didn’t deserve to be picked in the 1st round. He will become a somewhat useful rotation player who delivers some scoring. But no way he should be picked top 5. Even not lottery. You say Amare? Jezz. He reminds me more about a slower Michael Beasley and you wouldn’t pick Beasley at #2, would you. You all think he is tough, because he somehow looks tough. Guess what, the guy is soft. You should wonder why his rebounding numbers are fairly pedestrian despite him usually being the only big man of his teams. Well, watch him. he doesn’t go up for contested rebounds. He even ducks when a player goes up. Bad timing, bad positioning and lukewarm effort on defense. The guy is obviously afraid of contact, this also explains his low FT number. (considering his role and game). Slow, soft and a bad defender. Pass.

Haliburton. Will be available as well. Because he is overrated as well. Not as much as Toppin, but quite a lot. Great college player, but so was Evan Turner and Turner was stronger and a better athlete overall. Haliburton could become a nice glue guy for a good team, say C’s take him at 17 or the Bucks at 19. He is a like a great limo driver, makes you feel comfortable and will take the right road. But him as the star of your team? No way. He never does anything outside his comfort zone. He doesn’t take the team on his back to get a win. Guys sure love to play with him, because he is their best friend, delivers nice looks and never pushes them. That’s why Iowa State was so bad this year. Look at the close games. Look at what he did, when they had the chance to win a game. Ask how his usage percentage in those games can drop to below 15%, when he is in the driver’s seat and the team desperately needed some points to win the game. Ask why the guy has by far the lowest number of calls on the whole big board. Haliburton can’t buy a FT to save his live, even less to win a game. Put him on the court with four better players and he will do fine. Bad news, the Spurs currently don’t have those four guys. Not even two. Pass.

Cole Anthony. Most mocks show him in Spurs reach, but I can’ believe this. He will be picked at 8 the latest. If I was the Wolves, I give him a long look at 3. (if they pick 3rd). If you look for a guy, who is star material, you take him. Serious risk that he will bust, but a team that lacks star power, has to take this risk. in terms of talent, attitude and confidence – for good or for bad -, you won’t find a player in this draft, who brings more to the table. This team needs some Kyrie, Russ, CP3 attitude, even if it might backfire. But maybe all the traditionally bad drafting teams ahead of the Spurs pass on him and burn their picks on LaMelo, Toppin, Okoro, Avdija, Haliburton and he falls to #11. He had a difficult year and some of his struggles are his own fault. But compare what he tried in close games to what Haliburton did. Spurs need guys with cojones. Currently they only have three of that kind and they are by far not the best players on the team. (Patty, maybe Keldon and – laugh as much as you want- Bryn)

Onyeka Okongwu. The only other guy with high star potential who might be available at 11. (although I think he will be picked top 5). his ceiling is pretty high, because the worst you get will be a very good defensive player, the type Ibaka was, when he was younger. (if he ever was young). And if he develops his offensive game, he will be an all star.
Spurs won’t trade up. This never happens. But if they did, it should be for either Anthony or Okongwu. If they win a top 4 pick, they should still think about using the pick on one of them.
(or Edwards, or Wiseman. No LaMelo)

If the Spurs stay at 11 (and Anthony and Okongwu are gone), they should either pick Patrick Williams or Theo Maledon. They offer the most upside of all players likely available at 11. If they don’t believe in the chance that those guys can become stars, they should trade down. Plenty of decent role players left and there is a good chance a team like Boston will offer 17 and 26 for 11.
Maledon. No team will have this kind of intel report the Spurs have on him. If it says what I think it will they pick him. Mocks talk about a rather disappointing season he had. Did he? He showed what most 18 years old players show, when they are thrown into the cold water of the euroleague. Scouts now think they need to deliver like Luka, if they were legit NBA material. In fact Maledon showed some nice things, IMO enough to still think he could become a special player. The way he moves and handles the ball at full speed is great and his mechanics look solid, his shooting will develop. Hayes is projected top 10, that’s ok, he is good and he improved a lot over the season, has comparable potential. But between the two I would take Maledon. Good news, that the mocks mixed the positions of the two. Bad news if the GMs don’t.

Williams. One of the few some people here got almost right. Except those who cry that a #11 pick was to high for him, because most mocks listed him in the 20s. guess what, they are wrong. It will take the #11 pick to get him and I wouldn’t even be surprised, if he is already gone. Bulls might pick him at 7. Yes, that’s a reach and a high risk. Let’s see what their new GM does. GMs all search desperately for the kind of player he might become.

Vernon Carey. “experts” hate Centers these days. I can see why, but this doesn’t justify how low they rank him. Not in a draft with a dry big men pool. He will be a lottery pick and right so. His skill level is Kentucky DMC. one more year away from his dad’s diet and he will be down to 250lbs and a very skilled big man who moves faster than you ever expected. Might transform his body like Julius Randle did. He is quite not my favorite pick at 11, but if the Spurs take him at 11, I’m ok.

Saddiq Bey. I really like him. Like that type of player in general. But he is not the one to really help the Spurs. Just the fact that he would fill a need isn’t enough to use #11 on him. If the Spurs did trade down and he is still there, great. If not, look at the other prospects in the same tier. And there are quite some.

Vassell. See above. Yes, I would love to get Danny Green back. But not for a #11 pick. Vassell will be a DG, not more. Great value for a contender. Not so much for the Spurs at this point.

Nesmith. Trade down and pick him in the 20s. great shooter in a specialist role, but not much else at NBA level. Will just be to slow on defense and is to small to play a combo forward role.

Tyler Bey. That’s IMO the most interesting case. By far the most underrated player in most mocks. Best defender in this draft. Can guard 1-4. This years Brandon Clarke. Why does he not get more hype? Well, they don’t look at him. First off, he isn’t listed accurate. No way he is just 6’7’’. If there was a combine, he would be the one who opens some eyes. Oh, he is in fact 6’9’’ and has a 7’2+’’ wingspan. Who would have guessed. Look at him and you know. (btw. watch the Colorado vs. Dayton game. Lot’s of 1on1 situations with Toppin. They are exactly the same hight). He is long and he is a great athlete, jumps and runs with the best of them. They say he is old (right) and he didn’t improve this season. That’s only right if you don’t check the numbers twice. Significant stronger schedule and lower pace of Colorado. If he played at the 2019 Gonzaga team, he would deliver exactly the numbers of Clarke. better guard play and some more touches and we talk about a late lottery pick. His shooting is not bad, his passing is better than credited, plays with a high IQ and with a lot’s of heart. Unselfish, coachable, hard worker. Not a #11 pick, but I take him over Saddiq Bey and Vassell.

So, but what if the mocks are not as far off as I belive and players are in fact available where they are projected?
Best case: Anthony Cole falls to #11 and Spurs pick him an 2nd best case: Spurs trade down with Celtics and pick Maledon at 17 and Tyler Bey at 26.

[spurspl]

^ cole anthony sucks. Look at his stats. Imo even murray is better than him. The only pg worth drafting is haliburton.
Like the idea of moving down via trading with celtics. Overall this draft is weak but that move increases our chances to get the right guy. Especially that we could get two of bey/vernon/williams/jalen smith/neismith. That would be huge.

[JuneJive]

Every team has got to have a different board, right?
This draft is crazy random.

The talent pool may not be star heavy, but i think it will yield a lot of quality players.

[Dejounte]

At what pick would Metu get drafted ?

[BackHome]

I think late 1st, in 25th to 30th range. In his last year he averaged 15.7pts, 7.4 rbs, and 1.7 blocks which got him a overall score of 89 on Draft Net.

[B1gduff]

Williams is still my pick at 11. That upside is huge, he's 18 and raw but the potential is the. Only concern i have with him is that he's to stiff on the defensive end and whether that'll impact his ability to be a 3.

as a 2nd round pick,

I have Tyler Bey with his defensive potential

i'm also looking at Paul reed, i think he could be a sleeper in this draft.

[BackHome]

rI like him to and if they can see him being a SF then I would not mind this pick at all. His defense is pretty good just need to see his draft numbers height, length, jump, etc. one thing I like when watching him is that he is a good passer and he plays the game the right way on offense and defense.

[exstatic]

Williams is still my pick at 11. That upside is huge, he's 18 and raw but the potential is the. Only concern i have with him is that he's to stiff on the defensive end and whether that'll impact his ability to be a 3.

as a 2nd round pick,

I have Tyler Bey with his defensive potential

i'm also looking at Paul reed, i think he could be a sleeper in this draft.

Tyler Bey will never last to the second round. Tankathon has him at #14 on their big board. They have Paul Reed at #15.

[bluebellmaniac]

Lol!!!

[duncan2150]

Nobody talks about Josh green, i really like him. Good defender, offense is in progress, good athlet with some ball handling qualities... Maybe more an SG than a SF but a good prospect.

[objective]

So I've watched some of Saddiq Bey and Devin Vassell, and they look fine.

BUT

I've now watched some Patrick Williams and even though I need to really watch the full games in detail, he looks he might be my guy. The other pro-Williams posters in this thread are onto something.

He has so much that just pops.

One of the youngest college players in the draft, maybe the youngest. The building blocks are there, and not just to be a decent player. At his age, you can tell he can have a great NBA body. Wide shoulders, solid though not great wingspan, just looks real sturdy, solid.

So he has a real NBA body, real size, real length, looks to have capacity for strength, maybe not great hips but very good vertical pop. A couple of dunks he had his head at the rim.

And I love what I see in his pull-up shot. When he squares up, he goes straight up and down and with such balance, it reminded me of young Kawhi. Even before Kawhi was a big time scorer, when he would deliver on his mid-range and his threes, he had that. The balance and sturdiness. And to have that as a freshman, I love it.

Even though he only shot 32% from 3, he did shoot 38.8% in his final 11 games in February and March. PLUS he shot 83.8% from the free throw line. His shot can get faster of course and his attempts weren't high, but based on how he looks shooting, I can believe it coming together very well.

And his ball-handling for his size and age (and role in college) ... it's pretty far along. When you see footage of him doing the 4-5 pnr and delivering to the roll man ... it looks damn good. Lots of turnovers I need to study, but his dribbling might look more under control than Murray at that age, and if he can already execute the pnr on occasion in a 4-5 set up ... I think it can be projectable. I'm not saying he'll be a #1 playmaker or anything like Kawhi, but he looks like a guy who can develop and contribute in ways beyond just being a 3 & D and transition player.

Defensively the critiques that he's not able to cover quick point guards at the point of attack is perfectly fair, but I don't care. Draftniks are way too concerned about wings getting burned by point guards, Saddiq Bey gets the same critique and I think it's misguided. As a Spur fan I'm not looking for a SF to cover Ja Morant or Trae Young or Dame Lillard. They have Murray, the have White, hell they have Walker.

Just like I wasn't desperate to have a SF like young Kawhi to cover Chris Paul or Mike Conley or Russell Westbrook ... I wanted Kawhi to cover Lebron or Durant etc. I don't care if Williams can't cover Trae Young, I care about him having the size and strength to compete with Giannis or Kawhi or Durant.

The rest of his defense should be a big plus. 1.6 blocks and 1.6 steals per 36, he delivers. Only Freshman or Sophomore from a real conference to have a block% above 5 and a steal% at least 2.5

A couple of other things:

Reading up on things, Leonard Hamilton as the FSU coach I see gets heat online for not playing his best players. And I believe it, Williams was a 5 star recruit who didn't start a game. Interestingly, Kabengele never started a game for FSU and was still a late first round pick. In a podcast covering Vassell, the hosts complained about Hamilton's handling of Vassell's minutes. On RealGM Hamilton was compared by a poster to Pop and Dwayne Casey for jerking around young players, lol. To me, that's the kind of thing that makes an impression on me. Murray was poorly coached in college, and I could see Williams being mis-used so he could get over himself.

It's early, but I think I'm on the Williams train in a big way.

So much that I'm already getting pissed at the thought that he'll be off the board before the Spurs can take him.

[cd021]

Vassell. See above. Yes, I would love to get Danny Green back. But not for a #11 pick. Vassell will be a DG, not more. Great value for a contender. Not so much for the Spurs at this point.
If Vassell turns into DG then thats a steal at 11. Generally, the 11th pick is a low rotation player with players like Klay, J.J. Reddick, Allan Houston, Robert Horry, and Reggie Miller being the only outliers in the last 32 years. (http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/11th-overall/110509/)

Green is a career 40% 3pt shooter and one of the best wing defenders of the last decade, that's pretty damn good for the 11th pick in a meh draft.

At 19 Y.O, Vassell is plenty young enough to develop and be a key player on the next good Spurs team. He'd be a solid pick there with other interesting options to consider.

[Prime BEEF]

Tyler Bey will never last to the second round. Tankathon has him at #14 on their big board. They have Paul Reed at #15.
Agreed. I think picking him at 11 is to early though. If FO wants Tyler Bey then they’ll have to find a way to trade for another 1st Rd pick. on average he seems to be mocked drafted around the early 20s.

this draft is crazy. But I think he (t. bey) could be the sleeper pick of the draft. I’m curious to see what his actual measurements turn out to be. He’s listed at 6’7” with a 7’ wingspan but I’ve read that he might actually be a little over 6’8”. He is the consensus best defensive player in the draft and is projected to play SF in nba. I think he is a similar player to Otto Porter Jr. but some compare him to the matrix.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Nobody talks about Josh green, i really like him. Good defender, offense is in progress, good athlet with some ball handling qualities... Maybe more an SG than a SF but a good prospect.

he has a pretty good wingspan which would help him with guarding the 3. I like him and Vassell the most for wing guys that might be still available at 11. Nesmith is another guy I like but from the stuff I read about his athleticism and defense not being that great makes me pause.

Okungwu is another guy I like a lot that we don’t have a chance grabbing. Wiseman I also think is gonna be better than a lot of pundits are saying.

[objective]

I watched 7 full Florida State games.

I still like Williams a whole lot, and didn't really change my opinion on the pros.

I did find a negative that might not come across in highlight videos.

He didn't run too hot motorwise all the time and that annoys me, compared to Vassell for instance. Jogging back in transition way too much, costing his team points even, not directly but indirectly. Not running much faster in transition offense when he didn't have the ball.

I'm sure if he hustled and played hard all the time he'd be projected even higher. So ... because he's young and doesn't turn 19 until August, I think it's reasonable to think that he'll be better as a pro. It is possible that his full court speed even when he hustles isn't too great.

So, thinking about it, what is a reasonable floor projection? Ignoring his age and his shooting potential from his free throws?

I could see a floor of Earl Clark or Chris Singleton. Out of the league in 5 years or less.

But those guys were college juniors.

So I still really like Williams.

Vassell looked fine. I like Williams' potential more.

[exstatic]

I watched 7 full Florida State games.

I still like Williams a whole lot, and didn't really change my opinion on the pros.

I did find a negative that might not come across in highlight videos.

He didn't run too hot motorwise all the time and that annoys me, compared to Vassell for instance. Jogging back in transition way too much, costing his team points even, not directly but indirectly. Not running much faster in transition offense when he didn't have the ball.

I'm sure if he hustled and played hard all the time he'd be projected even higher. So ... because he's young and doesn't turn 19 until August, I think it's reasonable to think that he'll be better as a pro. It is possible that his full court speed even when he hustles isn't too great.

So, thinking about it, what is a reasonable floor projection? Ignoring his age and his shooting potential from his free throws?

I could see a floor of Earl Clark or Chris Singleton. Out of the league in 5 years or less.

But those guys were college juniors.

So I still really like Williams.

Vassell looked fine. I like Williams' potential more.
The one thing that you can’t teach is a motor. You either have one, or you don’t.

[duncan2150]

he has a pretty good wingspan which would help him with guarding the 3. I like him and Vassell the most for wing guys that might be still available at 11. Nesmith is another guy I like but from the stuff I read about his athleticism and defense not being that great makes me pause.

Okungwu is another guy I like a lot that we don’t have a chance grabbing. Wiseman I also think is gonna be better than a lot of pundits are saying.

Yes you're right he can play the 3 and you have okoro too, his body is ready for the nba, good defender but he needs to develop a better shooting touch.

Vassell, okoro and green are my wing prospects. I don't get all the hype for Williams but i think it's about the upside. The tools are There but he is less ready than the three above imo.

Interesting take by objective, what do you Think about the one on one defense of williams or vassell after watching multiple games ? Thanks


The one thing that you can’t teach is a motor. You either have one, or you don’t.

+1

[pad300]

in terms of sleepers and Danny Green's, Abdoulaye N'doye looks very good to me at #41.

[objective]

Interesting take by objective, what do you Think about the one on one defense of williams or vassell after watching multiple games ? Thanks


I think they're both at least fine. I would expect them to be at least average defenders. And I could see them both being good defenders. Williams has strength and vertical pop but only decent length.

Williams a little slower as far as covering quick guards ... but the games I watched didn't feature a lot of big time perimeter scorers.

I see them both being able to defend game 1.

[duncan2150]

I think they're both at least fine. I would expect them to be at least average defenders. And I could see them both being good defenders. Williams has strength and vertical pop but only decent length.

Williams a little slower as far as covering quick guards ... but the games I watched didn't feature a lot of big time perimeter scorers.

I see them both being able to defend game 1.

Thanks

[tim_duncan_fan]

The one thing that you can’t teach is a motor. You either have one, or you don’t.

What does this mean for Luka?

[exstatic]

What does this mean for Luka?

It means he likely won’t reach his ceiling. That ceiling is s pretty damn high, though. Missing it could still mean solid starter.

[BacktoBasics]

What does this mean for Luka?
I’m pretty high on Luka but this is a legitimate concern.

My gut chalks it up to a little immaturity and over emotion. Seems a little spoiled and entitled but that’s a wild speculation.

He could easily grow out of all that...

It’s kinda splitting hairs and depends on how you define “motor”. He does play with aggression but his footwork(all though not bad) seems to March to a different beat than his brain. I’m not so sure he lacks a motor as much as he lacks discipline and a certain level of savvy.

Give it time.

[objective]

Williams in my opinion has a fine motor in the halfcourt, but could probably use someone yelling at him to run harder in transition, that's all. Keep in mind, he's 8 months younger for his draft class than Samanic was and everyone loves to talk about how young Samanic is.

Paul George had a rep for being a lazy underachiever at Fresno State for 2 years and he turned out alright.

re: Samanic, I'm still not that particularly high on him compared to most it seems.

Seems like whether it's Spurs podcasts or posts here or elsewhere so many comment on how 'special' he is and I'm not seeing that when I watch him. Maybe I'm just out of sorts.

If he improves a lot he can be Trey Lyles. Is Trey Lyles special?

Trey Lyles in a micro-view can be incredibly talented on offense and solid rebounding and serviceable defensively but he's not special.

Anyone can string together clips of his offensive game in the NBA and he'd look spectacular. He can do it all. Post up, mid-range, shoot threes. 1-2 dribble pull up. Drive a closeout to the rim. Finish above the rim. Play with craft, good footwork. Pass well. He basically has it all. There's some videos someone made on youtube after he signed with the Spurs that show that Lyles can make scoring look easy, and it's not wrong, there's a reason he was a lottery pick and a reason a team traded a first rounder for him.

But he's still just a guy lucky to get more than the mini-mid level.

If Lyles was in the g-league he'd dominate the g-league. And Samanic, if you just go by PER, is among the least efficient Spurs hopefuls by that metric, ever. And yes, PER is a very flawed stat that just reflects efficiency as determined by Hollinger, but it's easy enough to compare players with if you understand it's flaws.

Samanic was less efficient in his time there than just about everyone except Ryan Arcidiacano's first year. Though I guess that means he can only improve from here, hell Arcidiacono made the NBA after all.

So not only does Samanic have to improve his body and his shot, he has to greatly improve how efficient his game is. And while I can see him doing that to play regular minutes in the NBA, I'm at a loss to see what he does so much better in a way that matters than Lyles that everyone else seems to see. Better first step, better chance at drawing fouls? Better pop, maybe quicker feet but a 3-inch smaller wingspan and an inch less on the standing reach.

[BacktoBasics]

Trey isn’t half as creative and instinctual as Luka. Yeah that may never translate but Luka has a rawness that screams potential way more than Lyles will ever have.

[slick'81]

This will all be intersting when the spurs finally draft in 2021

[exstatic]

This will all be intersting when the spurs finally draft in 2021

There’ll be a draft this year.

[look_at_g_shred]

It's going to be Maledon isn't it? He's a TP understudy. Hard not to believe that won't have some influence. I think it should be Hayes though. The more i think about it, they SHOULD draft another guard, because Forbes/Belinelli and even white to a certain extent could be gone soon. Draft a guard this draft, and then next year in a supposed talent heavy draft, get your SF of the future (almost likely going to be a lottery team next year) cause the SF/Forwards in this draft are a bit underwhelming. That's just my opinion.

[Prime BEEF]

It's going to be Maledon isn't it? He's a TP understudy. Hard not to believe that won't have some influence. I think it should be Hayes though. The more i think about it, they SHOULD draft another guard, because Forbes/Belinelli and even white to a certain extent could be gone soon. Draft a guard this draft, and then next year in a supposed talent heavy draft, get your SF of the future (almost likely going to be a lottery team next year) cause the SF/Forwards in this draft are a bit underwhelming. That's just my opinion.
Hopefully they let Forbes and Marco walk. Doubt they’ll ever start Murray and White together, which means the starting SG spot would be open. Which could be filled by this years draft pick. I assume DDR will opt in and the team won’t trade him. If that’s the case, he’ll be the starting SF (yay!).

[duncan2150]

It's going to be Maledon isn't it? He's a TP understudy. Hard not to believe that won't have some influence. I think it should be Hayes though. The more i think about it, they SHOULD draft another guard, because Forbes/Belinelli and even white to a certain extent could be gone soon. Draft a guard this draft, and then next year in a supposed talent heavy draft, get your SF of the future (almost likely going to be a lottery team next year) cause the SF/Forwards in this draft are a bit underwhelming. That's just my opinion.


The good thing with drafting is that they will probably let Bryn go, bellinelli will not be in SA Next year 99%.

I'm not sure about maledon, i think other prospects are higher on the Spurs board at 11.

[TD 21]

It's going to be Maledon isn't it? He's a TP understudy. Hard not to believe that won't have some influence. I think it should be Hayes though. The more i think about it, they SHOULD draft another guard, because Forbes/Belinelli and even white to a certain extent could be gone soon. Draft a guard this draft, and then next year in a supposed talent heavy draft, get your SF of the future (almost likely going to be a lottery team next year) cause the SF/Forwards in this draft are a bit underwhelming. That's just my opinion.

Mentioned it weeks ago. It's not just that, but everything I hear about him references his leadership and work ethic. Add that to quality physical tools and youth and he checks a lot of boxes.

He'd be a White replacement, but also potential Murray insurance in case of another significant injury, topping out as a low end starter or becoming a near star, having it go to his head and him wanting to be in a bigger market/more modern franchise.




Hopefully they let Forbes and Marco walk. Doubt they’ll ever start Murray and White together, which means the starting SG spot would be open. Which could be filled by this years draft pick. I assume DDR will opt in and the team won’t trade him. If that’s the case, he’ll be the starting SF (yay!).

Never make the mistake of presuming logic with this organization at this point, but Walker is probably the most likely candidate to start at SG next season.

[objective]

After Joffrey I don't think I'd want the Spurs to take any Parker opinions into consideration

[spurspl]

pls stop this dumb talkin about another guard unless its haliburton whos already ready to become a starting pg and probably is better than murray. We have over 70% to draft with 11th pick and there are pretty good sf available like vassel, bey, neismith or even maybe okoro. DDR should be out, keldon isnt ready and there arent lots of sf at the market.If we move down there are plenty of solid pf and c like reed, vernon, smith, williams. Thats what spurs need. Next yr draft class is way better and if patfo is smart, should be eyeing on evan mobley.

[Prime BEEF]

pls stop this dumb talkin about another guard unless its haliburton whos already ready to become a starting pg and probably is better than murray. We have over 70% to draft with 11th pick and there are pretty good sf available like vassel, bey, neismith or even maybe okoro. DDR should be out, keldon isnt ready and there arent lots of sf at the market.If we move down there are plenty of solid pf and c like reed, vernon, smith, williams. Thats what spurs need. Next yr draft class is way better and if patfo is smart, should be eyeing on evan mobley.
Would love to get Haliburton but doubt he drops to 11. He is better than Murray. But if you pick him there’s no need in keeping both white and Murray...need to trade one of those two.

most likely scenario is that the FO makes no trades at all. They love international players and guards. Will be shocked if they pick something outside of that.

[spurspl]

Would love to get Haliburton but doubt he drops to 11. He is better than Murray. But if you pick him there’s no need in keeping both white and Murray...need to trade one of those two.

most likely scenario is that the FO makes no trades at all. They love international players and guards. Will be shocked if they pick something outside of that.

yeah i know, probably another guard or pokusevski and patfo send him to gleague for 2yrs...after 2 yrs maaaybe come back to first team and, in best scenerio, be a role player from the bench like 10-15min... old same shit every year. Really dont understand this strategy and policy...

[FutureMan]

yeah i know, probably another guard or pokusevski and patfo send him to gleague for 2yrs...after 2 yrs maaaybe come back to first team and, in best scenerio, be a role player from the bench like 10-15min... old same shit every year. Really dont understand this strategy and policy...

11th picks are rotation players and most of the started in half their games their first year. The Gleague is out IMO

[spurspl]

11th picks are rotation players and most of the started in half their games their first year. The Gleague is out IMO

pls tell this to pop until its not too late

[FutureMan]

pls tell this to pop until its not too late

I think it’s expected for lottery picks to “jump right in” so to speak. Even Leonard didn’t play in a gleague game I believe and he was pick 15.

[spurspl]

I think it’s expected for lottery picks to “jump right in” so to speak. Even Leonard didn’t play in a gleague game I believe and he was pick 15.

but kawhi was much better than this draft + spurs really needed a sf. Samanic was 19th and is in a gleague while thybulle was 20th and is playing in nba pretty good and developing. So u never know whats in pops mind.

[FutureMan]

but kawhi was much better than this draft + spurs really needed a sf. Samanic was 19th and is in a gleague while thybulle was 20th and is playing in nba pretty good and developing. So u never know whats in pops mind.

I see what you’re saying however I don’t want to get off topic. My opinion of our 11th pick being a rotation player is based off of all other 11th picks in the past and the fact that if you are pick 15 or higher with the Spurs you’re immediately part of the team and not going to the Gleague

[Prime BEEF]

I see what you’re saying however I don’t want to get off topic. My opinion of our 11th pick being a rotation player is based off of all other 11th picks in the past and the fact that if you are pick 15 or higher with the Spurs you’re immediately part of the team and not going to the GleagueThe FO needs to pick a player that’s ready to start day 1. Not a G-league guy, or a 3rd string guy, or even a backup. It is possible with players that are likely to be available at the 11th pick. Will they do that or just pick international project? I hope it’s the former and not that later.

[JuneJive]

Why rush the pick. It's not like they are contending.

G League mixed in with an occassional call-up is not a bad idea.

[BackHome]

pls stop this dumb talkin about another guard unless its haliburton whos already ready to become a starting pg and probably is better than murray. We have over 70% to draft with 11th pick and there are pretty good sf available like vassel, bey, neismith or even maybe okoro. DDR should be out, keldon isnt ready and there arent lots of sf at the market.If we move down there are plenty of solid pf and c like reed, vernon, smith, williams. Thats what spurs need. Next yr draft class is way better and if patfo is smart, should be eyeing on evan mobley.

Would you be willing to trade our first to a shitty team or to a team that has the rights to a first next year
for there first in 2021 it would probably have to have a protection clause top 5 protected.

[spurspl]

Would you be willing to trade our first to a shitty team or to a team that has the rights to a first next year
for there first in 2021 it would probably have to have a protection clause top 5 protected.

No, id recommend to tank to have own top pick in 2021 draft.

[exstatic]

I see what you’re saying however I don’t want to get off topic. My opinion of our 11th pick being a rotation player is based off of all other 11th picks in the past and the fact that if you are pick 15 or higher with the Spurs you’re immediately part of the team and not going to the Gleague

We'v had exactly one of those since 1997, so I'm not sure what you're basing your assertion on.

[Ignazzz]

I pulled unreal tankathon draft order

see what got
#1 pels huge jump +12 Edwards
#2 minny +1 Toppin
#3 spurs +8 Dani
#4 suns +6 Ball
And then regular order Golden ( same Wiseman but cheaper !!!!!!! )Cavs ( Hayes) -4
rest of teams -3

[exstatic]

I pulled unreal tankathon draft order

see what got
#1 pels huge jump +12 Edwards
#2 minny +1 Toppin
#3 spurs +8 Dani
#4 suns +6 Ball
And then regular order Golden ( same Wiseman but cheaper !!!!!!! )Cavs ( Hayes) -4
rest of teams -3

I think if the Spurs do draw #3, and Wiseman is still on the board, they take him.

[exstatic]

I finally got the tankathon simulator to have the Spurs win. They picked Anthony Edwards, a 6'5" SG. The meltdown here would be epic. :lol

[cd021]

The FO needs to pick a player that’s ready to start day 1. Not a G-league guy, or a 3rd string guy, or even a backup. It is possible with players that are likely to be available at the 11th pick. Will they do that or just pick international project? I hope it’s the former and not that later.

I don't agree with that, the Spurs are probably looking at several seasons of being a lottery team. Taking a player simply because he's NBA ready seems like a bad idea. If they grade out a player and select a player who'll need time in the G-League to work out his game and develop, then that's fine. They rarely miss in the draft. If there's a star to be found at eleven, then they'll find him.


Why rush the pick. It's not like they are contending.

G League mixed in with an occasional call-up is not a bad idea.
Agreed. Getting young players a lot of minutes in the G-League, with guided coaching and the ability to work on their flaws and expand their game, has worked well.

[Prime BEEF]

I don't agree with that, the Spurs are probably looking at several seasons of being a lottery team. Taking a player simply because he's NBA ready seems like a bad idea. If they grade out a player and select a player who'll need time in the G-League to work out his game and develop, then that's fine. They rarely miss in the draft. If there's a star to be found at eleven, then they'll find him.

Agreed. Getting young players a lot of minutes in the G-League, with guided coaching and the ability to work on their flaws and expand their game, has worked well.
If the organization’s thought process is to draft a player so they can develop for 2yrs in the G-league in then miraculously develop into a key starter (has that ever happened for the spurs?)..Vs drafting a starter now...we’re f’d. Thats not a winning mentality. Draft a lesser talent in hopes that they can one day be as good as the better talent that you passed on.

[FutureMan]

We'v had exactly one of those since 1997, so I'm not sure what you're basing your assertion on.

Like I said in that same post, all the other 11th picks. I clarified in an earlier post as well. Most 11th picks are rotation players and even starting in half their games in year one. Leonard never played in the GLeague at pick 15 and that was when the Spurs were significantly better. I just don’t see it happening for our 11th pick. I guess you do but that’s your opinion.

[exstatic]

Like I said in that same post, all the other 11th picks. I clarified in an earlier post as well. Most 11th picks are rotation players and even starting in half their games in year one. Leonard never played in the GLeague at pick 15 and that was when the Spurs were significantly better. I just don’t see it happening for our 11th pick. I guess you do but that’s your opinion.

I understand about Kawhitter. That's one guy, and even he sat in the corner and shot 3s for two full seasons. He was Bruce Bowen, a 3andD guy, a role player. He was not a difference maker, nor could he have been one if needed. He started about the middle of his first year for two reasons: he was already a plus defender, and the alternative was Dick Jefferson.

I don't care what other teams do with their #11 picks. Most of those teams throw their picks to the wolves, leading to the frequent failure of young players asked to do too much.

[Ignazzz]

I think if the Spurs do draw #3, and Wiseman is still on the board, they take him.

it was random but from pure bb perspective and skills can agree with You but..

Deni in DDR out
Waseman in LMA out
I preffer 1st scenario.

[exstatic]

it was random but from pure bb perspective and skills can agree with You but..

Deni in DDR out
Waseman in LMA out
I preffer 1st scenario.

The events aren't tied together. You can draft Wiseman, trade LMA, AND dump DD on the Knicks.

[Ignazzz]

The events aren't tied together. You can draft Wiseman, trade LMA, AND dump DD on the Knicks.

spurs isnt big active trading player with plenty moves. Rather rock steady. One move can force another for sure but dont think it Will be dominos action. Knowing our FO we are closer to the same roster then revolution. Rookie can change it a little bit. Thats why I chose SF. DDR as SG with good D behind is much better player. new SF can change small position direction

[pad300]

If we get lucky enough, I agree with exstatic, we will draft Wiseman. I don't see us trading LMA though, not without significant return. That decision won't be tied to Wiseman . Wiseman isn't going to be a day 1 starter; he's played only 3 college games... He won't be ready for the NBA day 1. Still pretty much the highest potential guy and a position of need, so he's the Spurs pick regardless.

[spurspl]

I finally got the tankathon simulator to have the Spurs win. They picked Anthony Edwards, a 6'5" SG. The meltdown here would be epic. :lol

i got 5 times spurs to top5 via tankathon, results:
4th pick: chosen obi toppin (james wiseman was 5th)
3rd pick: obi toppin (wiseman was 4th)
2nd pick: anthony edwards (wiseman 5th)
1st pick: anthony edwards (wiseman 4th) TWICE :lol

[LCM]

If the Spurs got the 3rd pick, would Toppin or Wiseman be chosen if they were both on the board?

[exstatic]

spurs isnt big active trading player with plenty moves. Rather rock steady. One move can force another for sure but dont think it Will be dominos action. Knowing our FO we are closer to the same roster then revolution. Rookie can change it a little bit. Thats why I chose SF. DDR as SG with good D behind is much better player. new SF can change small position direction

Spurs have done this one time before: after the 2001 massacre against the Lakers. Only 6 players survived that purge. The Spurs clean house when necessary, just FAR less often than other teams. Two years later, only two of those 6 were on the roster.

[Ignazzz]

Spurs have done this one time before: after the 2001 massacre against the Lakers. Only 6 players survived that purge. The Spurs clean house when necessary, just FAR less often than other teams. Two years later, only two of those 6 were on the roster.

well. It was mainly only SS DAnderson trade.
spurs decided bring new faces Stephen Jax BB and Parker as rookie. Main force was the same. Lma and DDR are top 2 plyz

[exstatic]

If the Spurs got the 3rd pick, would Toppin or Wiseman be chosen if they were both on the board?

When you're picking high, the rules are different than late round picks. Toppin is already 22. You should kind of expect him to play really well against primarily younger and less experienced players in college. That's why most draft analysts penalize older players. They've already developed part way, and have less of a ceiling. Wiseman dominated at the age of 19. That's the pick to make.

[spurspl]

If the Spurs got the 3rd pick, would Toppin or Wiseman be chosen if they were both on the board?

Wiseman. But if only obi topin were 2yrs younger thats a no brainer, he would be the best guy in this draft.

[Russ]

I finally got the tankathon simulator to have the Spurs win. They picked Anthony Edwards, a 6'5" SG. The meltdown here would be epic. :lol

Edwards may be the next D. Wade but there are no sure things in this draft. No can't misses.

I'd go with Wiseman.

[TD 21]

If the organization’s thought process is to draft a player so they can develop for 2yrs in the G-league in then miraculously develop into a key starter (has that ever happened for the spurs?)..Vs drafting a starter now...we’re f’d. Thats not a winning mentality. Draft a lesser talent in hopes that they can one day be as good as the better talent that you passed on.

The only way this franchise is going to have a chance to regain prominence in the future, is by either completely bottoming out, picking at or near the top of the draft for a few years and lucking into a no brainer superstar and/or star or by generally selecting high ceiling/low floor types and hoping one of them becomes that. Taking a conservative low ceiling/high floor approach, will turn them into the next Hornets.

I say that as someone who, presuming the draft plays out similar to projections, is in favor of selecting Vassell, who best case scenario is probably elite role player. But in general, they've had the right approach in recent seasons.

[Ignazzz]

When you're picking high, the rules are different than late round picks. Toppin is already 22. You should kind of expect him to play really well against primarily younger and less experienced players in college. That's why most draft analysts penalize older players. They've already developed part way, and have less of a ceiling. Wiseman dominated at the age of 19. That's the pick to make.

there is no generał rule.
draft 1997
#1 Duncan 21 y
#3 Billups 20y
#9 McGrady 18 y
#14 Mo 20y
#23 Jackson 24

You are right that some extra pros having younger guys but Waseman has some red flags

[spurspl]

im wonderin about the effectiveness of Aaron Neismith. 52% from 3. He played 14games last season. He had a good luck or a weak opponents? or maybe hes just a great shooter and can do the same or at least similar numbers on nba? If he is really so good why projected in the mid of 1st round? Because of his defense? But u can learn how to defend much faster than shooting 3s with such a high effectiveness...

[exstatic]

there is no generał rule.
draft 1997
#1 Duncan 21 y
#3 Billups 20y
#9 McGrady 18 y
#14 Mo 20y
#23 Jackson 24

You are right that some extra pros having younger guys but Waseman has some red flags

That might as well be the 1927 draft. Nothing has been the same since Garnett. What started as a few drops, became first a trickle, then a torrent. If you stay 4 years, it’s because you weren’t good enough to be drafted earlier in your college career. That in itself is now a red flag.

[cd021]

If the organization’s thought process is to draft a player so they can develop for 2yrs in the G-league in then miraculously develop into a key starter (has that ever happened for the spurs?)..Vs drafting a starter now...we’re f’d. Thats not a winning mentality. Draft a lesser talent in hopes that they can one day be as good as the better talent that you passed on.

The 11th pick is historically a poor draft spot. In the last 32 years, Klay Thompson, Reggie Miller, Allan Houston and Robert Horry were the best picks by far.

Who cares or not whether the player select is ready day one? If they select, say, Maledon or Hampton then they must think that there's a pretty decent chance that player can develop into a very good player- even if it takes time.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'm going on the record against Okoro. No shooting, no playmaking, not super gifted as a skill player. Don't see anything there except for a physical slasher, which is what Keldon is turning into already. We can do better/get more utility and talent than that at 11.

[Thomas82]

I think if the Spurs do draw #3, and Wiseman is still on the board, they take him.

This is exactly what I'm hoping for.

[cd021]

I'm going on the record against Okoro. No shooting, no playmaking, not super gifted as a skill player. Don't see anything there except for a physical slasher, which is what Keldon is turning into already. We can do better/get more utility and talent than that at 11.

Between Okoro and Vassell, i'd take Vassell. He's a 40% 3pt shooter on a pretty good amount of attempts over two seasons and is a solid defender. Getting a 19 year old player who is already capable as a 3 and D player is good for the 11th pick.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Between Okoro and Vassell, i'd take Vassell. He's a 40% 3pt shooter on a pretty good amount of attempts over two seasons and is a solid defender. Getting a 19 year old player who is already capable as a 3 and D player is good for the 11th pick.

My only thing against Vassell is a lack of vertical ability. How is he laterally?

[duncan2150]

I'm going on the record against Okoro. No shooting, no playmaking, not super gifted as a skill player. Don't see anything there except for a physical slasher, which is what Keldon is turning into already. We can do better/get more utility and talent than that at 11.

I think you underestimate his D, you Can fix his shoot. Imo he is probably the best wing defender of this draft.

[talkspurs]

Like I said in that same post, all the other 11th picks. I clarified in an earlier post as well. Most 11th picks are rotation players and even starting in half their games in year one. Leonard never played in the GLeague at pick 15 and that was when the Spurs were significantly better. I just don’t see it happening for our 11th pick. I guess you do but that’s your opinion.

Things were different back then. Corey Joseph who was drafted 29th the same draft as Kawhi had to ask to go to the g league. The Spurs did not just send them there to start with.

[pad300]

I have to say that I wouldn't object to a trade down in this draft (from 11, not the top if we get lucky), but it would be a draft day deal, as it all depends who's sitting there for us at 11... I mean people are saying Vassel would be a good pick, and he might be. But how much more does Vassel give you over Abdoulaye N'doye as a prospect, especially when you can get N'Doye at 41?

Say 11 to boston fot 17 and 25? If that's Vassel for Saddiq Bey and Pokusevski, I'm comfortable with the FO making that call... But it's such a hard draft to make that kind of call in, because without the NCAA tournament, the projected boards are all over the place...

[objective]

I'd be wary about trading down because so much is subject to change with regards to rankings or perceived rankings in a normal draft, let alone a bad draft like this (at the top) and then with the lockdown stuff and lack of a combine/workouts thrown in ...

Every year there's guys who shoot up the boards and that will happen this year but people may not realize it compared to prior years. I remember when people on ST were speculating about being able to grab Giannis or Elfrid Payton or DeAndre Hunter or dozens of other guys during the NBA season who just kept rising well out of the range of their pick.

I expect bigger flux this year, especially with less media contact and rubbing shoulders with team executives allowing the news of people going up boards to trickle down through the media.

So while it's easy now to say, trade down for this guy or that guy, those guys could already be gone by the picks the Spurs would move down to.

I expect more surprising picks this year as a result. I think there will be players mocked late teens or twenties who go in the late lottery or even 7-10.

For instance now my guy Patrick Williams is routinely mocked or ranked on big boards around 18-40 and I don't know if he'll even be there at 11. Once teams focus on him and see his size and skill at his age and with the need for players his size archetype I could see him soar.

[dbestpro]

I prefer to trade up into the top four if possible.

[spurspl]

I prefer to trade up into the top four if possible.

trading down makes also sense. This draft is pretty weak but lots of guys seem to be at similar "level". If we trade with boston then we could have nesmith (great 3pt shooter SF) plus one of the bigs (vernon/smith/reed/williams). Imo tradin down with boston>tradin up to top4>stayin with 11th pick>tradin up to 5-10. But i doubt anyone will give up top4 pick for our 11th + keldon or samanic.

[exstatic]

We don’t have anything to get us there


I prefer to trade up into the top four if possible.

[spurspl]

except boston i can see a potential tradin down with jazz: gobert+pick for lma+pick (or poeltl,gay +pick). Then we can draft PF like smith/reed/williams. murray/white/loonie/smith/gobert. Potentially the best def team, only 3pt shooting to improve.

[Thomas82]

I prefer to trade up into the top four if possible.

+1

[BackHome]

I prefer we get the number 1 draft pick! I have spoken so shall it be. :toast

[Dejounte]

I'm falling in love with the idea of drafting Precious Achiuwa with our pick. 7'2.5 wingspan. Can dribble the ball in transition. Has flashes of the euro step. Hes rated low because people think hes going to be a PF or C in the NBA. I see him as a SF. What separates him is he doesnt look like a stiff stretch 4 like Patrick Williams or someone like Toppin. He is also built as hell. Reminds me a LOT of Kawhi Leonard.

[Ignazzz]

I'm falling in love with the idea of drafting Precious Achiuwa with our pick. 7'2.5 wingspan. Can dribble the ball in transition. Has flashes of the euro step. Hes rated low because people think hes going to be a PF or C in the NBA. I see him as a SF. What separates him is he doesnt look like a stiff stretch 4 like Patrick Williams or someone like Toppin. He is also built as hell. Reminds me a LOT of Kawhi Leonard.

kl2? Not even close with awfull FT mechanics

[Dejounte]

kl2? Not even close with awfull FT mechanics

Chip. England.

[Dejounte]

Look at Kawhi's rookie year. His form looked bad too. Plus, Kawhi has had zero hops his entire career. Precious could literally be a dunk champion. He disrupts players with his long arms JUST like Kawhi did. That is a rare skill very few players have in the NBA.

Precious has a unique blank canvas to work with.

Wingspan
Athleticism
Rebounding
Can initiate a fast break
Euro step
Hustle
Defense and switchability and can guard 1s
Strong. Wont easily backdown from strong post players

This is the pick to make

[Dejounte]

Btw, if he had a shot and averaged five more points he would be the number 1 pick.

[exstatic]

Look at Kawhi's rookie year. His form looked bad too. Plus, Kawhi has had zero hops his entire career. Precious could literally be a dunk champion. He disrupts players with his long arms JUST like Kawhi did. That is a rare skill very few players have in the NBA.

Precious has a unique blank canvas to work with.

Wingspan
Athleticism
Rebounding
Can initiate a fast break
Euro step
Hustle
Defense and switchability and can guard 1s
Strong. Wont easily backdown from strong post players

This is the pick to make

If he had all of that, he’d be a top 3 pick. I’m sure all 30 teams just missed it, though.

[Dejounte]

If he had all of that, he’d be a top 3 pick. I’m sure all 30 teams just missed it, though.

Appreciate your sarcasm but He does have it. Watch the tape. His video interview with draftexpress is a good one. Ever wonder why Kawhi went 14?

[Dejounte]

Precious is a better prospect than DeAndre Hunter, Rui Hachimura, Cam Reddish of last year.

[exstatic]

Appreciate your sarcasm but He does have it. Watch the tape. His video interview with draftexpress is a good one. Ever wonder why Kawhi went 14?

Because he had a bum ankle during workouts. There were projections that had him in the top 5.

Find me one of those, even in this shitty draft, and I might believe in your precious Precious.

[Dejounte]

Because he had a bum ankle during workouts. There were projections that had him in the top 5.

Find me one of those, even in this shitty draft, and I might believe in your precious Precious.

Find you what?

[Dejounte]

You need to trust your eyes instead of projections, especially when theres no tourney to go with. Now more than ever, projections would be extremely unreliable.

[BackHome]

Not saying I want this guy but he has been trending up in multiple mock drafts. For awhile he was around 17 - 20 he is now 12 - 14 take it with a grain of salt.

[Dejounte]

We need to look at how the Spurs have drafted in the past. They usually go for the physical freaks like Murray, Kawhi, Lonnie, Samanic when they want to go for a home run. Not average athletes like Vassell, Naismith.

[exstatic]

tube clip
Find you what?

A projection that has your Precious projected as top 5 in this shitty draft.

Anyone can put together a YouTube clip that makes them look good. People are actually paid to do that for players. That was why I like the old DX site so much. They did two videos on each profiled player: strengths and weaknesses.

[Dejounte]

tube clip

A projection that has your Precious projected as top 5 in this shitty draft.

Anyone can put together a YouTube clip that makes them look good. People are actually paid to do that for players. That was why I like the old DX site so much. They did two videos on each profiled player: strengths and weaknesses.

Watch this all the way through:
https://youtu.be/HHENlLb4fvo

I dont see any projections for Kawhi being top 5 in a google search.

Like I said, projections without a tourney are meaningless even by people who are paid to do it

Do you know how much a players stock rises and falls after the tourney? A LOT

That just shows you how pointless it is to rely on that this year.

The clip I provided mostly shows his defense. Use your eyes on this clip for offense:
https://youtu.be/atoDeCEzCQk
https://youtu.be/DHoPlvfO-n0

[longhornjosh21]

Watch this all the way through:
https://youtu.be/HHENlLb4fvo

I dont see any projections for Kawhi being top 5 in a google search.

Like I said, projections without a tourney are meaningless even by people who are paid to do it

Do you know how much a players stock rises and falls after the tourney? A LOT

That just shows you how pointless it is to rely on that this year.

The clip I provided mostly shows his defense. Use your eyes on this clip for offense:
https://youtu.be/atoDeCEzCQk
https://youtu.be/DHoPlvfO-n0

He seems like what everybody wanted Metu to become. Just a high energy rim protector/runner. If he could keep adding to his game he could become scary

[longhornjosh21]

I'm kinda coming around to hoping Hayes falls to them and seeing if you can get a 3nD for white

[Dejounte]

He seems like what everybody wanted Metu to become. Just a high energy rim protector/runner. If he could keep adding to his game he could become scary

Big difference is since Metu's rookie year youve been hoping he would bulk up but it hasnt happened.

Precious is a tank. He also has better driving ability. Ive never seen Metu go coast to coast.

[Dejounte]

Precious models his game after LeBron and KD. Calls himself an all around point forward. Video from two years ago:

https://youtu.be/c7z_Dut4Deo

Started hooping in 8th grade. A late bloomer.

[Prime BEEF]

We don’t have anything to get us there
I think Murray plus the 11th pick could do it. The T-wolves might bite as they have the 3rd and 16th picks. So they would Be adding Murray and 2 mid-first rounders to their team.

but I’m not sure I want to trade up. Who do we need to trade up for? Edwards and Wiseman will likely be gone by the 3rd pick...which leaves LaMelo and Obi. I’d rather have Halliburton than lamelo. Haliburton will likely get picked up by Chicago at 7. I like Obi but not sure I’d trade up for him. Would rather wait and see if something crazy happens and Halliburton or Obi fall to 11. And if they don’t then just pick Vassell or Nesmith or Bey and call it good

[Sugus]

I'm officially on the Precious bandwagon. If he can truly play as SF, he'd be a beast. How successful he is or isn't with the Spurs will largely depend on whether he can develop a shot though - we've already got way too many players that can't reliably knock down the long ball, and the NBA doesn't seem to be hopping off the 3pt chuckfest train anytime soon. A starting unit of DJ/Lonnie/Precious/Luka/Poeltl as the "future" simply lacks shooting and spacing, and will not be up to par until the young players learn to reliably make 3's and space for each other, something Pop has hardly been encouraging these past seasons.

[Dejounte]

I'm officially on the Precious bandwagon. If he can truly play as SF, he'd be a beast. How successful he is or isn't with the Spurs will largely depend on whether he can develop a shot though - we've already got way too many players that can't reliably knock down the long ball, and the NBA doesn't seem to be hopping off the 3pt chuckfest train anytime soon. A starting unit of DJ/Lonnie/Precious/Luka/Poeltl as the "future" simply lacks shooting and spacing, and will not be up to par until the young players learn to reliably make 3's and space for each other, something Pop has hardly been encouraging these past seasons.

Welcome aboard! Lets see if others start to see what we see.

[exstatic]

Watch this all the way through:
https://youtu.be/HHENlLb4fvo

I dont see any projections for Kawhi being top 5 in a google search.

Like I said, projections without a tourney are meaningless even by people who are paid to do it

Do you know how much a players stock rises and falls after the tourney? A LOT

That just shows you how pointless it is to rely on that this year.

The clip I provided mostly shows his defense. Use your eyes on this clip for offense:
https://youtu.be/atoDeCEzCQk
https://youtu.be/DHoPlvfO-n0

Anyone can put together a clip that makes a player look like a superstar.

[BackHome]

I like him just not at 11 he is a very good defender but he is an older rookie who doesn’t have an outside shoot. People keep saying oh just coach him up to hit the 3 ball even with Chip it is easier said then done.

[Dejounte]

Anyone can put together a clip that makes a player look like a superstar.

Youre like a brick wall. You didnt even try to watch the videos. These are breakdown videos and not typical highlights. They even show weaknesses. Arguing with you is futile. Youre lazy as hell who just has baseless opinions who dont try to dig deep into anything. Shallow thinkers disappoint me. Thanks for wasting time here.

[Dejounte]

The first video i provided was from DX. Literally the draft website you praised. Youre a fucking idiot, exstatic.

[Dejounte]

I like him just not at 11 he is a very good defender but he is an older rookie who doesn’t have an outside shoot. People keep saying oh just coach him up to hit the 3 ball even with Chip it is easier said then done.

Siakam entered the NBA when he was 22. Just saying.

[JuneJive]

His shot looks suspect. He'd be a Jerami Grant ceiling player?

If so, not bad, but too safe a pick i'd say.