Generation Power Rankings

[Monostradamus]

1. Greatest Generation - lived through the Depression, fought the last meaningful American war.

2. Gen X - cool name, best music

3. Silent Generation - protected the motherland from Chinese/NK invasion :cry

4. Gen Z - top notch memes

5. Millennials - whiny entitled brats, subjected us to Limp Bizkit and Backstreet Boys. outdone only by...

6. Boomers - even bigger whiny entitled brats, got their ass beat by the VC, also drove the country right into the ground.

[picnroll]

Last place boomers. Total failure parenting skills raising millennials and a few Zs. It’s not your fault you suck bro.

[Monostradamus]

Last place boomers.
:tu

[boutons_deux]

Last place boomers. Total failure parenting skills raising millennials and a few Zs. It’s not your fault you suck bro.

The Greatest Generation raised the boomers.

[midnightpulp]

The greatest generation by default is probably Gen X because they were just kind of there, not really influencing things for better or worse. Greatest Gen is overrated. They were the generation that started the outsourcing and tax cuts parade after enjoying the greatest middle-class boom in American history. Jury is out on Gen Z. They seem to collectively be a bunch of retards who can only think in memes, but they're still teenagers and tweens for the most part, and all teenagers and tweens are retarded, no exceptions.

[Monostradamus]

Generations that got their ass beat in a war:

1. Boomers
2. that’s it :lmao

[picnroll]

Millennials are the total absorbed absorbed with themselves generation. One big group selfie.

[DMC]

Why are we only ranking the modern era, after the separation from the ABA? (American-British Alignment)?

[Monostradamus]

Millennials are the total absorbed absorbed with themselves generation. One big group selfie.
Who also aren’t pussies that got their shit pushed in by 4 foot tall Asians in mud huts :lmao

[Will Hunting]

The greatest generation by default is probably Gen X because they were just kind of there, not really influencing things for better or worse. Greatest Gen is overrated. They were the generation that started the outsourcing and tax cuts parade after enjoying the greatest middle-class boom in American history. Jury is out on Gen Z. They seem to collectively be a bunch of retards who can only think in memes, but they're still teenagers and tweens for the most part, and all teenagers and tweens are retarded, no exceptions.
Gen Xers vote overwhleminly Republican and far right. Idk why they get a free pass.

I agree about greatest generation though, they gave themselves huge safety nets and government funded social mobility, then took the ladder down when it was the next generation’s turn.

[midnightpulp]

Who also aren’t pussies that got their shit pushed in by 4 foot tall Asians in mud huts :lmao

Millennials didn't do too well in Afghanistan. Taliban has reemerged and the US signed "peace treaties" with them behind the Afghan government's back. So Millennials did indeed get their shit pushed in by goat farmers with hand me down AK47s.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bacevich-afghanistan-20181219-story.html

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Boomer still an outlier tbh compared to millenial

[Monostradamus]

Millennials didn't do too well in Afghanistan. Taliban has reemerged and the US signed "peace treaties" with them behind the Afghan government's back. So Millennials did indeed get their shit pushed in by goat farmers with hand me down AK47s.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bacevich-afghanistan-20181219-story.html
Millenials did their job in 01-02, but shitty Boomer leadership completely dismantled all that work. That shit’s on them. Millennials also liberated Iraq, FREEDOM BITCH!

[Will Hunting]

Silent generation is also by far the richest generation that got the largest benefit out of New Deal era programs while being less affected by the depression and all they’ve done is vote to fuck over the younger generations. They’re worse than boomers imo.

The fact they call themselves the :cry silent :cry generation despite being the richest generation on a per capita basis just shows the narcissistic victimhood complex they have.

[picnroll]

Who also aren’t pussies that got their shit pushed in by 4 foot tall Asians in mud huts :lmao

Internet warrior. Are you kicking ass in Call to Duty. :rollin

[midnightpulp]

Gen Xers vote overwhleminly Republican and far right. Idk why they get a free pass.

I agree about greatest generation though, they gave themselves huge safety nets and government funded social mobility, then took the ladder down when it was the next generation’s turn.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/030118_1_1.png

They're about as republican/right leaning as boomers. But anyhow, this is just a "fun thread." In reality, no generation is really inherently "better" than another. As I've said in the other threads, it's really about rich vs. "ordinary," right vs. left, etc. We can expect rich and/or republican millennials to pass the same kind of policy as any rich or republican boomer has. You can bet there will be a lot of Charlie Kirk clones holding office in the coming decades.

[Monostradamus]

Internet warrior. Are you kicking ass in Call to Duty. :rollin
:lmao salty because you took the most shameful, pussified, and only ass kicking in America’s history.

[CosmicCowboy]

Who also aren’t pussies that got their shit pushed in by 4 foot tall Asians in mud huts :lmao

Says the 4' tall cross eyed, chubby, Asian.

[Will Hunting]

They're about as republican/right leaning as boomers.
Like I said, overwhelmingly Republican and far right.

[midnightpulp]

Millenials did their job in 01-02, but shitty Boomer leadership completely dismantled all that work. That shit’s on them. Millennials also liberated Iraq, FREEDOM BITCH!

That's what happened in 'Nam, too. Fucked over by shitty greatest gen leadership. We won the majority of major battles and had an overwhelming K/D ratio.



Most of the the 10 historians agreed that Obama was pretty close to correct when he said that the U.S. didn’t lose any major battles in the Vietnam War -- "pretty close" because a case can be made that the U.S. lost the battles for Landing Zone Albany and Fire Support Base Ripcord, and possibly others.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/sep/05/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-never-lost-major-battle-vietn/

I still agree with bringing the troops home and taking the L because that war was pretty much pointless. The Domino Theory was horseshit.

[Monostradamus]

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/030118_1_1.png

They're about as republican/right leaning as boomers. But anyhow, this is just a "fun thread." In reality, no generation is really inherently "better" than another. As I've said in the other threads, it's really about rich vs. "ordinary," right vs. left, etc. We can expect rich and/or republican millennials to pass the same kind of policy as any rich or republican boomer has. You can bet there will be a lot of Charlie Kirk clones holding office in the coming decades.
In reality, American culture has always been toxic dogshit, that’s how this country got so rich and powerful in the first place :lol

[Monostradamus]

That's what happened in 'Nam, too. Fucked over by shitty greatest gen leadership. We won the majority of major battles and had an overwhelming K/D ratio.




https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/sep/05/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-never-lost-major-battle-vietn/

I still agree with bringing the troops home and taking the L because that war was pretty much pointless. The Domino Theory was horseshit.
They got their asses handed to them in NamPERIOD

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, Chubby....Boomers didn't get us into Vietnam...that "greatest generation" did.

[Monostradamus]

Says the 4' tall cross eyed, chubby, Asian.
Is that supposed to be an insult, boomer? I literally just got done explaining how those tiny Asians made your generation their bitch.

[Will Hunting]

BTW, Chubby....Boomers didn't get us into Vietnam...that "greatest generation" did.
Truth bombs.

[picnroll]

Such poor education in your age group. Korea? Chinese are tough, poured many, many thousands into Nam. Was a bad war with bad greatest gen leadership anyway. Pray you don’t get your chance but likely if and when you will have duck that and all those Call to Duty skills will go to waste. :rollin

[Monostradamus]

BTW, Chubby....Boomers didn't get us into Vietnam...that "greatest generation" did.
You guys still flew in their like limp dicked beta males and got shit all over. Well, the ones that weren’t total pussies and actually went to fight. I’m sure your “bone spurs” kept you at home.

[midnightpulp]

Like I said, overwhelmingly Republican and far right.

The graph shows that more Xers and even Boomers lean Democrat. I also expect the political leanings of millennials to progress to a similar 50/50 split since some do become more conservative as they age (at least it seems that way for white voters). Although, as someone else said, the Millennials racial demographic may guard against that happening.

[Monostradamus]

Such poor education in your age group. Korea? Chinese are tough, poured many, many thousands into Nam. Was a bad war with bad greatest gen leadership anyway. Pray you don’t get your chance but likely if and when you will have duck that and all those Call to Duty skills will go to waste. :rollin
They did the same thing in Korea and a better generation managed to fight them back to a stalemate, and didn’t come home with their tail between their legs :lmao

[picnroll]

Current education system is clearly for shit. All these millenials should demand their money back.

[Monostradamus]

Boomers get mad about their parenting skills being questioned.

Then proceed to blame their parents for all their failures :lmao

[picnroll]

Really? Got an F in history I see.

[CosmicCowboy]

You guys still flew in their like limp dicked beta males and got shit all over. Well, the ones that weren’t total pussies and actually went to fight. I’m sure your “bone spurs” kept you at home.

I was too young for VN chubby.

You sure pretend to be a bad ass internet warrior for a fat little fuck, though..

[Monostradamus]

:cry don’t blame us for how millennials turned out :cry

:cry but we only failed because of the greatest generation :cry

[Monostradamus]

I was too young for VN chubby.

You sure pretend to be a bad ass internet warrior for a fat little fuck, though..
“Too young” is that code for “ran to Canada like a pussy”? :lmao

[picnroll]

Is that supposed to be an insult, boomer? I literally just got done explaining how those tiny Asians made your generation their bitch.

So a few ragheads have pushed your shit in? I wouldn’t go their, I respect the sacrifice they’ve made and make so you can hide in your parents basement and play internet warrior. I don’t generalize though, most millennials aren’t Assholes like you.

[Monostradamus]

So a few ragheads have pushed your shit in? I wouldn’t go their, I respect the sacrifice they’ve made and make so you can hide in your parents basement and play internet warrior. I don’t generalize though, most millennials aren’t Assholes like you.
There was no retreating in total defeat like boomer bitches in Vietnam.

So what was your pussy excuse for not fighting the VC? Bone spurs? Flat feet?

[picnroll]

Second year medical school when it ended. And your excuse for not enlisting and serving internet warrior?

[Monostradamus]

Second year medical school when it ended. And your excuse for not enlisting and serving internet warrior?
:lmao “I can’t fight because I’m in school :cry” what a pussy

[picnroll]

When I finished I would have been drafted and gone. Only hear crickets of why your pussified ass is hiding in the basement. So long chicken shit.

[Monostradamus]

:cry i would have gone :cry

woulda coulda shoulda :lmao

[Spurminator]

I'm Gen X but I'd put Millennials ahead of us, tbh.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession. They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains. They're the GoFundMe/Kickstarter generation. I've worked with a ton of them and I haven't seen much of the legendary entitlement. They generally work longer hours for less pay than their bosses ever did.

Whereas previous generations generally popped out 2 or 3 babies and bought a shitty house before they could really afford it, Millennials seem more content to wait.

As far as music, you can blame them for listening to shitty music as teens but that stuff was being forced on them by Boomer/GenX-owned stations. Millennials ushered in the digital music age which widely expanded availability and access to independent music.

I agree, though, that Boomers fucking suck.

[vy65]

Millenials did their job in 01-02, but shitty Boomer leadership completely dismantled all that work. That shit’s on them. Millennials also liberated Iraq, FREEDOM BITCH!

Where was the banner we hung in Ho Chi Minh City? That's right, there wasn't one.

https://am12.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2018/04/mission-accomplished-1200x675.jpg

[Will Hunting]

CC is right that that Vietnam war was forced on boomers by the greatest generation/silent generation:...don’t really have much sympathy tho when boomers did the same fucking thing forcing the war in Iraq on millennials and gen Xers.

[vy65]

I'm Gen X but I'd put Millennials ahead of us, tbh.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession. They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains. They're the GoFundMe/Kickstarter generation. I've worked with a ton of them and I haven't seen much of the legendary entitlement. They generally work longer hours for less pay than their bosses ever did.

Whereas previous generations generally popped out 2 or 3 babies and bought a shitty house before they could really afford it, Millennials seem more content to wait.

As far as music, you can blame them for listening to shitty music as teens but that stuff was being forced on them by Boomer/GenX-owned stations. Millennials ushered in the digital music age which widely expanded availability and access to independent music.

I agree, though, that Boomers fucking suck.

We accept you as one of our own bruh. Honorary millennial.

[Monostradamus]

Where was the banner we hung in Ho Chi Minh City? That's right, there wasn't one.

https://am12.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2018/04/mission-accomplished-1200x675.jpg
:lol

Millennials bestowed the world with MOAR FREEDOM!!!!

Boomers let the Commies win, smh :lmao

[Will Hunting]

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/030118_1_1.png

They're about as republican/right leaning as boomers. But anyhow, this is just a "fun thread." In reality, no generation is really inherently "better" than another. As I've said in the other threads, it's really about rich vs. "ordinary," right vs. left, etc. We can expect rich and/or republican millennials to pass the same kind of policy as any rich or republican boomer has. You can bet there will be a lot of Charlie Kirk clones holding office in the coming decades.
Btw this graph proves my point about the silent generation.

For all the negative traits millennials claim boomers have, the silent generation has them worse.

[Will Hunting]

Also while I’d much rather have a real democracy with impartial politicians, if I had to choose between oligarchs who control policy in this country, I’d easily prefer the Mark Zuckadick/Elon Musk types over the Koch Brothers or Mike Bloomer.

[vy65]

Boomers don't have a bannerPERIOD

[midnightpulp]

I'm Gen X but I'd put Millennials ahead of us, tbh.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession. They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains. They're the GoFundMe/Kickstarter generation. I've worked with a ton of them and I haven't seen much of the legendary entitlement. They generally work longer hours for less pay than their bosses ever did.

Whereas previous generations generally popped out 2 or 3 babies and bought a shitty house before they could really afford it, Millennials seem more content to wait.

As far as music, you can blame them for listening to shitty music as teens but that stuff was being forced on them by Boomer/GenX-owned stations. Millennials ushered in the digital music age which widely expanded availability and access to independent music.

I agree, though, that Boomers fucking suck.

I can't agree with this. I'm not challenging your anecdotes, because that is your personal experience.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession.

Yeah, as long as that experience can be shared (and then commodified) through social networking sites, which basically turns millennials into unwitting employees of facebook et al as they freely create content for those platforms. And millennials seem to only "be about experiences" if there's someone else to click the like button on their picture of avocado toast. Point is, millennials don't seek out these experiences for personal growth, but for social validation, which ironically makes them the ultimate consumers.

They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains.

They're connected to Amazon Prime by an umbilical cord. The massive retail apocalypse around the country, which mom-and-pop business have taken the brunt of, even more so than chains, shows that millennials aren't really about supporting local businesses and chains. My anecdote here is in that my town, I've seen mom-and-pop store after mom-and-pop store shutter, while the only store to really draw a millennial crowd was a marijuana dispensary. That's apparently what they have money for, in additional to avocado toast and smartphones.

They pose themselves as the "green generation," yet buy a new smartphone every year in addition to some other useless electronic gadget that doesn't really solve a problem, like those idiotic smart speakers. I said in another thread, the carbon footprint of smartphone use and manufacturing is projected to be greater than carbon footprint of transportation in 20 years.

They don't vote. They are either apathetic (yet complain on twitter) or sulk when their pet candidate doesn't win a primary and cut their noses off to spite their face. Boo hoo, fuckin' Bernie didn't win the 2016 nom. Most of us will never, ever have a candidate that aligns with all of our values, and the best thing you can do in most cases is vote for the lesser of two evils. Millennials took their ball and went home in 2016, and Donald fuckin' Trump was the result.

Their music is unbelievably shitty, and always has been. But that's subjective. So are movies that cater to their tastes, especially these fuckin' superhero films.

[Monostradamus]

Is midnightpulp a Boomer? He is dropping some massive OK Boomer takes

[Monostradamus]

:lmao i mean he dropped two avocado toast references in his rant, that’s peak Boomerism.

[Monostradamus]

https://www.tiktok.com/@linzrinzz/video/6714782003637521670?u_code=6dc3cefl1fi8a&preview_pb=0&language=en&timestamp=1572300007&utm_campaign=client_share&app=musically&utm_medium=ios&user_id=144377784793104384&tt_from=copy&utm_source=copy&enter_from=h5_m
midnightpulp in the right window going off :lol

[midnightpulp]

Is midnightpulp a Boomer? He is dropping some massive OK Boomer takes

No, 1980 (so millennial/X tweener). But nothing I said is wrong. Millennials whine, whine, and whine, but do fuck all to change shit. Or maybe, as I've pointed out in other graphs, there's more millennials with "boomer" mentalities than you think, as the Trump voter breakdown illustrated.

[midnightpulp]

https://www.tiktok.com/@linzrinzz/video/6714782003637521670?u_code=6dc3cefl1fi8a&preview_pb=0&language=en×tamp=1572300007&utm_campaign=client_share&app=musically&utm_medium=ios&user_id=144377784793104384&tt_from=copy&utm_source=copy&enter_from=h5_m
midnightpulp in the right window going off :lol

Don't know why you're trying to burn with that when I'm basically for expansion of social safety nets that would make things more "free" and "equal." My issues with millennials is, again, they're all theory and no action.

[spurraider21]

:lmao i mean he dropped two avocado toast references in his rant, that’s peak Boomerism.
:lol

[Monostradamus]

You just did a brainless, paint by numbers anti-Millennial rant, complete with avocado toast references, and you think no one should call you out on it? :lmao

I’m hoping that was ironic Boomer performance art tbh, cuz that was embarrassing as hell.

[midnightpulp]

You just did a brainless, paint by numbers anti-Millenial rant, complete with avocado toast references, and you think no one should call you out on it? :lmao

Yes or no? Millennials "stayed home" in key battle ground states allowing that shitshow we have in the Whitehouse to exist?

Yes or no? Millennials position themselves as environmentally conscious, yet buy very non-green tech gadgets every year?

Yes or no? Millennials would rather shop online vs. retail?

If you're going to call me out, maybe rather than post a shitty tiktok video featuring a boomer whose points don't in anyway echo the points I made in that post or I've made in the past, maybe try proving those points wrong. But you can't because you know they're correct. Also don't get the semen shielding for millennials when:


5. Millennials - whiny entitled brats,

[Monostradamus]

Yes or no? Millennials "stayed home" in key battle ground states allowing that shitshow we have in the Whitehouse to exist?

Yes or no? Millennials position themselves as environmentally conscious, yet buy very non-green tech gadgets every year?

Yes or no? Millennials would rather shop online vs. retail?

If you're going to call me out, maybe rather than post a shitty tiktok video featuring a boomer whose points don't in anyway echo the points I made in that post or I've made in the past, maybe try proving those points wrong. But you can't because you know they're correct. Also don't get the semen shielding for millennials when:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

[Monostradamus]

:lmao still blaming Bernie Bros for Hillary losing.

[midnightpulp]

That avocado toast line must've hit home somehow :lol

[midnightpulp]

:lmao still blaming Bernie Bros for Hillary losing.

:madrun stop blaming millennials for everything! It's the boomer's fault! We have student loans and are voter suppressed (because we're apparently too stupid to use a mail in ballot). Did I mention we have student loans! :madrun

[ElNono]

Gen Xers vote overwhleminly Republican and far right. Idk why they get a free pass.

They are? Not my experience (don't have legit numbers tho)

[midnightpulp]

:lmao

https://medium.com/s/story/young-people-are-the-future-too-bad-voter-suppression-might-keep-them-from-the-polls-5c3b3543c007


Millennials and Systemic Barriers to Voting

As a generation, Millennials live at more intersections — race, gender, and class, just to name a few — than any previous age cohort. They’re more diverse, they’re more fluid in their identity, and they’re more economically strapped, despite higher levels of education.

:lol I guess gender fluidity prevents you from getting a mail in ballot.

[spurraider21]

:madrun stop blaming millennials for everything! It's the boomer's fault! We have student loans and are voter suppressed (because we're apparently too stupid to use a mail in ballot). Did I mention we have student loans! :madrun
how dare people complain about having a mortgage with no home for the same degree that could previously be paid for with a minimum wage summer job

[ElNono]

Their music is unbelievably shitty, and always has been.

You just can't beat the 80's and 90s on that, tbh... but that's not really their fault, IMO.

[Monostradamus]

That avocado toast line must've hit home somehow :lol
It’s the most generic Millennial put down of all time. It’s the “hahahha Dirk NORINGSKI!” of putdowns.

And I’ve never eaten avocado toast, nor do I know of a single other millennial who has either :lmao

You basically did the Grey Name Spur Fan argument against millennials and you’re acting proud of it :lmao

[Monostradamus]

:madrun stop blaming millennials for everything! It's the boomer's fault! We have student loans and are voter suppressed (because we're apparently too stupid to use a mail in ballot). Did I mention we have student loans! :madrun
:lmao yes, blame nonvoting Millennials for letting Trump win, instead of Boomers WHO ACTUALLY FUCKING VOTED FOR HIM.

[Monostradamus]

Millennials - the first generation to discover that avocados taste good!

[midnightpulp]

how dare people complain about having a mortgage with no home for the same degree that could previously be paid for with a minimum wage summer job

Yeah, and those people complaining aren't fuckin' voting. That's my point. Millennials have problems they want fixed, but aren't doing much to fix them. And in addition to that, millennials aren't some progressive hivemind, either. See here, more millennials and Gen Z favor capitalism over socialism:

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807047941/poll-sanders-rises-but-socialism-isnt-popular-with-most-americans

And as I've pointed out in other graphs, more white millennials favored Trump over Clinton. Millennials should clean their own fuckin' house instead of shaking their fist at boomers or whoever else as the cause of all their problems. I'll reiterate: There's millions of millennials who are perfectly content with the status quo.

[Will Hunting]

:madrun stop blaming millennials for everything! It's the boomer's fault! We have student loans and are voter suppressed (because we're apparently too stupid to use a mail in ballot). Did I mention we have student loans! :madrun
87% of Bernie Bros voted for Hillary in 2016

75% of Hillary primary supporters voted for Obama in 2008

The numbers clearly show that Bernie Bros weren’t half as stubborn as the Hillary boomers were 8 years earlier.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao yes, blame nonvoting Millennials for letting Trump win, instead of Boomers WHO ACTUALLY FUCKING VOTED FOR HIM.
:lmao

[midnightpulp]

:lmao yes, blame nonvoting Millennials for letting Trump win, instead of Boomers WHO ACTUALLY FUCKING VOTED FOR HIM.

Yeah, let's count on old white people with money to vote for a Democrat :lol. You can't be this naïve, Mono (I know you aren't and are just trolling because somehow you're irritated that I had the audacity to criticize millennials, when you criticized them in your first fuckin' post ITT :lol). Those minds are set. Nothing you can do or say is going to change a 75 year old white republican's mind. So what's the course of action in that regard? Out fucking vote them. How is this hard to grasp?

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, let's count on old white people with money to vote for a Democrat :lol. You can't be this naïve, Mono (I know you aren't and are just trolling because somehow you're irritated that I had the audacity to criticize millennials, when you criticized them in your first fuckin' post ITT :lol). Those minds are set. Nothing you can do or say is going to change a 75 year old white republican's mind. So what's the course of action in that regard? Out fucking vote them. How is this hard to grasp?
So the white boomer is a rich asshole who’s mind you’re never going to change, yet somehow millennials are worse than boomers?

[midnightpulp]

87% of Bernie Bros voted for Hillary in 2016

75% of Hillary primary supporters voted for Obama in 2008

The numbers clearly show that Bernie Bros weren’t half as stubborn as the Hillary boomers were 8 years earlier.

Thanks for the stats, and this probably proves my point that millennials really aren't the progressive hive mind they're advertised to be. Per my response to Spurraider, the majority still favor capitalism. The majority of white millennials voted for Trump. According to this article, many millennials are in favor of small government:


Fifty-six percent of college age millennials agree that government has become bigger because it has “gotten involved in things that people should do for themselves.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinebeaton/2016/11/04/whymillennialsarentvoting/#ff898ad89c2d

[Will Hunting]

Thanks for the stats, and this probably proves my point that millennials really aren't the progressive hive mind they're advertised to be. Per my response to Spurraider, the majority still favor capitalism. The majority of white millennials voted for Trump. According to this article, many millennials are in favor of small government:



https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinebeaton/2016/11/04/whymillennialsarentvoting/#ff898ad89c2d
The stats provide that millennial BernieBros aren’t to blame for Trump winning.

The rust belt boomers who were retarded enough to believe Trump was actually going to bring manufacturing jobs back get the credit for that shit sandwich.

The Braindead black boomers like spear chucking Donna Brazile also get credit for it for nominating Hillary.

[midnightpulp]

So the white boomer is a rich asshole who’s mind you’re never going to change, yet somehow millennials are worse than boomers?

I never said millennials are worse than boomers. I'm saying that millennials had control of their fate in the 2016 election and didn't show up to outvote boomers. And on the changing minds point, I don't think you're going to change the Ben Shapiros of the world minds either. So millennial republicans are the same in this regard. That's why I frame this issue as right/left rather than generational. There's millions of boomers and Xers who share the liberal millennial point-of-view in this regard.

[midnightpulp]

The stats provide that millennial BernieBros aren’t to blame for Trump winning.

The rust belt boomers who were retarded enough to believe Trump was actually going to bring manufacturing jobs back get the credit for that shit sandwich.

The Braindead black boomers like spear chucking Donna Brazile also get credit for it for nominating Hillary.

So the 51 percent of white millennials who voted for Trump are off the hook? Also, per your stats, 87% of Bernie Bros voted for Hillary. How about that other 13 percent? Could've been enough to swing the election. Let's also not discount millennials who are completely apathetic and don't vote at all, as the Forbes article mentions.

[koriwhat]

The stats provide that millennial BernieBros aren’t to blame for Trump winning.

The rust belt boomers who were retarded enough to believe Trump was actually going to bring manufacturing jobs back get the credit for that shit sandwich.

The Braindead black boomers like spear chucking Donna Brazile also get credit for it for nominating Hillary.

TRUMP is winning in November too so i guess we can expect at the least 4 more years of your incessant crying you fucking crybaby. :cry

[Will Hunting]

So the 51 percent of white millennials who voted for Trump are off the hook? Also, per your stats, 87% of Bernie Bros voted for Hillary. How about that other 13 percent? Could've been enough to swing the election. Let's also not discount millennials who are completely apathetic and don't vote at all, as the Forbes article mentions.
That’s a much lower percentage of white Trump supporters than the other generations had.

I already pointed out that 87% is actually more support than a candidate typically gets from primary opponent voters. Are you saying it’s the Bernie Bros fault that they didn’t come out supporting Hillary at a 95% level that would have been a statistical anomaly?

In the end, it’s still hilarious you want to blame groups that didn’t vote at all over the group that actually voted for Donald Trump.

[midnightpulp]

TRUMP is winning in November too so i guess we can expect at the least 4 more years of your incessant crying you fucking crybaby. :cry

See ^, a millennial. There's more Koriwhats out there than liberal millennials believe (not making fun of you or anything Koriwhat. Just pointing something out).

[Will Hunting]

TRUMP is winning in November too so i guess we can expect at the least 4 more years of your incessant crying you fucking crybaby. :cry
Sup Joey.

[Will Hunting]

See ^, a millennial. There's more Koriwhats out there than liberal millennials believe (not making fun of you or anything Koriwhat. Just pointing something out).
Koriwhat is a gen Xer iirc.

[koriwhat]

See ^, a millennial. There's more Koriwhats out there than liberal millennials believe (not making fun of you or anything Koriwhat. Just pointing something out).

all good midnight. i didn't vote in 2016 but a lot of you here(not necessarily you midnight) and elsewhere sure are making the case for me to vote against yall.


Koriwhat is a gen Xer iirc.

you're never right you fucking reject.

[Chucho]

Millennials getting credit for social consciousness like they were the Hippy Movement...lol

[koriwhat]

Millennials getting credit for social consciousness like they were the Hippy Movement...lol

they're all the same commies...

[vy65]

Damn. Mono went in deeper than Cubby fantasized going into DOK's butthole.

[Spurminator]

As far as voting, looking at the 2016 election is selective bias. The fact is that young people have always lagged behind older folks when it comes to voting.

But Millennials seem to be voting in higher numbers than Gen Xers when they were the same age. Notice the jump in voter participation among 18-29 year olds in 2004, the first election millennials could vote in.

https://i.insider.com/5e5eaaf0fee23d5f7f36e853?width=1200&format=jpeg&auto=webp

As far as experiences and social sharing, that's really just a matter of technological availability. Gen Xers and Boomers lugged around massive cameras and camcorders on every vacation, and you can bet they'd have shared all of that shit on social media if it was around back then. It's no surprise that Facebook activity skews older.

[Trainwreck2100]

Koriwhat is a gen Xer iirc.
Pretty sure he's on the border

[koriwhat]

Pretty sure he's on the border

build that wall! lol

[midnightpulp]

That’s a much lower percentage of white Trump supporters than the other generations had.

I already pointed out that 87% is actually more support than a candidate typically gets from primary opponent voters. Are you saying it’s the Bernie Bros fault that they didn’t come out supporting Hillary at a 95% level that would have been a statistical anomaly?

In the end, it’s still hilarious you want to blame groups that didn’t vote at all over the group that actually voted for Donald Trump.

How's that quote go, "When good men do nothing, evil triumphs." I guess we'll just agree to disagree, but fuck yes I'm blaming apathetic voters (of any age) that chose to stay home and not vote. Why am not I blaming boomers the same? Because what is in their (as in older people with money) self-interest doesn't usually align with what is in the self-interest of young people. All a politician needs to say to curry favor with older upper class voters is "tax cut." We know this and we've known this. And knowing this, millennials shouldn't expect boomers or anyone else who will benefit from republican policies to change their minds or vote with them.

And we've known we can't count on Middle America (those "retarded Rust Belt voters" you spoke of) to proverbially "see the light." Again, these facts of the electorate have long been known. You have to just out vote them. Millennials, liberals, or whatever should have saw it coming. Michael Moore even warned about it.

[Spurminator]

Millennials getting credit for social consciousness like they were the Hippy Movement...lol

The hippie movement was a self-serving, trendy fashion fad. Outside of civil rights protests (lead by black leaders, not hippies), their demonstrations didn't accomplish shit. They got Nixon elected (and re-elected) and they spit on Vietnam soldiers. Protests of the past 5 years are far more altruistic and substantive than the hippies.

[pgardn]

Why are we only ranking the modern era, after the separation from the ABA? (American-British Alignment)?

Because dead people can’t hear us.
And neither can the Greatest Generation as they are mostly gone or deaf.

[spurraider21]

i dont see where i called millennials a progressive hive mind

[midnightpulp]

As far as voting, looking at the 2016 election is selective bias. The fact is that young people have always lagged behind older folks when it comes to voting.

But Millennials seem to be voting in higher numbers than Gen Xers when they were the same age. Notice the jump in voter participation among 18-29 year olds in 2004, the first election millennials could vote in.

https://i.insider.com/5e5eaaf0fee23d5f7f36e853?width=1200&format=jpeg&auto=webp

As far as experiences and social sharing, that's really just a matter of technological availability. Gen Xers and Boomers lugged around massive cameras and camcorders on every vacation, and you can bet they'd have shared all of that shit on social media if it was around back then. It's no surprise that Facebook activity skews older.

Seems like when there's a "crucial election," re: Clinton challenging fucktard Bush Sr. in 92 and Obama in 08, the 18-29 turnout is above 50 percent. Keeping Trump out of office was crucial in my mind, and that percentage fell below 50 percent, which was a big drop considering how close that election was. So this isn't a "win" for millennials. Unless maybe they really think Trump isn't that big of deal, so carry on in that sense, I suppose.

Millennials still dominate the facebook user demos: https://www.statista.com/statistics/187041/us-user-age-distribution-on-facebook/

[midnightpulp]

i dont see where i called millennials a progressive hive mind

My point with that is that the common refrain is blaming those ebil boooomers for Trump's election, when 51 percent of white millennials voted for the scumbag, but I rarely see or read millennials taking shots at their own generation. Yeah, I'm sure if I dug, I'd find a few articles about how Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro are traitors to the millennial generation on Vox or whatever, but the overwhelming sentiment from millennials is basically, "boomers did it." I think the focus on boomers is misplaced. You're not going to change their minds. Millennials either hope they can convince Charlie Kirk clones or just get the fuck out en masse as the largest American generation and vote.

[ElNono]

My point with that is that the common refrain is blaming those ebil boooomers for Trump's election, when 51 percent of white millennials voted for the scumbag, but I rarely see or read millennials taking shots at their own generation. Yeah, I'm sure if I dug, I'd find a few articles about how Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro are traitors to the millennial generation on Vox or whatever, but the overwhelming sentiment from millennials is basically, "boomers did it." I think the focus on boomers is misplaced. You're not going to change their minds. Millennials either hope they can convince Charlie Kirk clones or just get the fuck out en masse as the largest American generation and vote.

I never blamed boomers for Trump, tbh... you could blame them for dubya's re-election, and that's sketchy at best. I always blamed Shillary for Trump.

[spurraider21]

My point with that is that the common refrain is blaming those ebil boooomers for Trump's election, when 51 percent of white millennials voted for the scumbag, but I rarely see or read millennials taking shots at their own generation. Yeah, I'm sure if I dug, I'd find a few articles about how Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro are traitors to the millennial generation on Vox or whatever, but the overwhelming sentiment from millennials is basically, "boomers did it." I think the focus on boomers is misplaced. You're not going to change their minds. Millennials either hope they can convince Charlie Kirk clones or just get the fuck out en masse as the largest American generation and vote.
white millenials =/= millenials

how about the numbers for millenials, generally

[midnightpulp]

The hippie movement was a self-serving, trendy fashion fad. Outside of civil rights protests (lead by black leaders, not hippies), their demonstrations didn't accomplish shit. They got Nixon elected (and re-elected) and they spit on Vietnam soldiers. Protests of the past 5 years are far more altruistic and substantive than the hippies.

Occupy Wall Street (although not 5 years ago) followed that same, self-serving trendy fashion fad. The real place that should've been occupied was 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, but it was "cooler" to shout angst at evil bankers, when Barry O didn't do much to change things aside from take very healthy donations from Wall Street. But Barry O was a liberal icon for some reason, so obviously the occupiers weren't going to target "Hope and Change."

What other protests have been substantial? March for our Lives? No change to the gun laws, as far as I know. Environmentalism? This is a major bone I pick with millennials. Little Greta Thurnberg loves to talk about carbon emissions related to transportation, but says nothing about her generation's use of tech gadgets. "Kneeling." Lol. Nothing trendier and more self-serving than that. I'm definitely sympathetic to cause. But you know what would really be effective? Boycotting the fuckin' season. Kneeling and then standing up to continue to getting paid your millions doesn't seem like a sincere gesture to me. Everyone is an "activist" as long as that activism doesn't come with an uncomfortable lifestyle change.

[Monostradamus]

Occupy Wall Street (although not 5 years ago) followed that same, self-serving trendy fashion fad. The real place that should've been occupied was 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, but it was "cooler" to shout angst at evil bankers, when Barry O didn't do much to change things aside from take very healthy donations from Wall Street. But Barry O was a liberal icon for some reason, so obviously the occupiers weren't going to target "Hope and Change."

What other protests have been substantial? March for our Lives? No change to the gun laws, as far as I know. Environmentalism? This is a major bone I pick with millennials. Little Greta Thurnberg loves to talk about carbon emissions related to transportation, but says nothing about her generation's use of tech gadgets. "Kneeling." Lol. Nothing trendier and more self-serving than that. I'm definitely sympathetic to cause. But you know what would really be effective? Boycotting the fuckin' season. Kneeling and then standing up to continue to getting paid your millions doesn't seem like a sincere gesture to me. Everyone is an "activist" as long as that activism doesn't come with an uncomfortable lifestyle change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

[DMC]

I'm Gen X but I'd put Millennials ahead of us, tbh.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession. They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains. They're the GoFundMe/Kickstarter generation. I've worked with a ton of them and I haven't seen much of the legendary entitlement. They generally work longer hours for less pay than their bosses ever did.

Whereas previous generations generally popped out 2 or 3 babies and bought a shitty house before they could really afford it, Millennials seem more content to wait.

As far as music, you can blame them for listening to shitty music as teens but that stuff was being forced on them by Boomer/GenX-owned stations. Millennials ushered in the digital music age which widely expanded availability and access to independent music.

I agree, though, that Boomers fucking suck.

Of course they're willing to wait to buy a house, the motherfuckers don't leave home until there 29 or 30 and even then they still wear fucking Super Mario t-shirts and don't know how to dress or comb their hair. By then they've never had a social interaction outside of a video game. We were kicked the fuck out by the time we were 16 years old and told to join the military get a fucking job.

How many of them would you have to go to to find one who knew how to change a flat tire? The woman in the relationship would be doing the tire changing while fat neckbeard set over there and increased his kill death ratio on whatever game he's playing while his buddies internet meme teamed him to fucking death on his phone.

He still not sure about commitment and he's been through five or six different fat girlfriends each of whom have more masculinity than he does. Any of his friends are gender confused and he is too a little bit but he blames all that on his parents who he sees every day because he won't fucking leave.

[Thread]

Occupy Wall Street (although not 5 years ago) followed that same, self-serving trendy fashion fad. The real place that should've been occupied was 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, but it was "cooler" to shout angst at evil bankers, when Barry O didn't do much to change things aside from take very healthy donations from Wall Street. But Barry O was a liberal icon for some reason, so obviously the occupiers weren't going to target "Hope and Change."

What other protests have been substantial? March for our Lives? No change to the gun laws, as far as I know. Environmentalism? This is a major bone I pick with millennials. Little Greta Thurnberg loves to talk about carbon emissions related to transportation, but says nothing about her generation's use of tech gadgets. "Kneeling." Lol. Nothing trendier and more self-serving than that. I'm definitely sympathetic to cause. But you know what would really be effective? Boycotting the fuckin' season. Kneeling and then standing up to continue to getting paid your millions doesn't seem like a sincere gesture to me. Everyone is an "activist" as long as that activism doesn't come with an uncomfortable lifestyle change.

Tell it, Midst. Testify!!!

[Will Hunting]

white millenials =/= millenials

how about the numbers for millenials, generally
:lol

”If you selectively look at the most conservative millennials, they’re actually not liberal at all!”

[midnightpulp]

white millenials =/= millenials

how about the numbers for millenials, generally

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e20a1ea7c634a405f67b9f7c91e66f20

Still a lot of votes.

But my point here also is that it's pretty much a fact of life that many people (not all) get more conservative as they age and thus vote more conservative, as they graph shows. It's rather linear. Millennials or whomever can't sit around and hope the old white people with money "see it their way." And per the graph, there's still millions of boomer Democrats, so the combined voting power of liberal Millennials, Gen Xers, and Boomers should be able to overwhelm the opposition here. But which demo "stayed home" and didn't pick up the slack? We know the answer. That's the crux of my criticism against millennials. The Forbes poll said it itself, only 2 in 10 millennials would consider themselves politically engaged. That has got to change.

[DMC]

i dont see where i called millennials a progressive hive mind

Oh no you did just own it. No one needs to prove it to you. We're now doing baseless accusations as proof.

[spurraider21]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e20a1ea7c634a405f67b9f7c91e66f20

Still a lot of votes.

But my point here also is that it's pretty much a fact of life that many people (not all) get more conservative as they age and thus vote more conservative, as they graph shows. It's rather linear. Millennials or whomever can't sit around and hope the old white people with money "see it their way." And per the graph, there's still millions of boomer Democrats, so the combined voting power of liberal Millennials, Gen Xers, and Boomers should be able to overwhelm the opposition here. But which demo "stayed home" and didn't pick up the slack? We know the answer. That's the crux of my criticism against millennials. The Forbes poll said it itself, only 2 in 10 millennials would consider themselves politically engaged. That has got to change.
a) thats not what the graph shows. it's not tracking the same voters over the years

b) its just as much an explanation that the overton window continues adjusting. the civil rights act was a very liberal thing, but plenty of people (conservatives, including southern democrats) opposed it. nobody would oppose it today. its not necessarily one sided. we used to have marginal tax rates up to 90. today if you want them north of 40 you are branded a socialist. reagan (the supposed godfather of modern conservatism) supported an amnesty program for illegal immigrants... deferred deportations of illegal immigrants 18 or younger if they lived with at least 1 parent who was going through that process, etc. republicans who contributed to the "gang of 8" negotiations were branded as RINOs

millenials lack of engagement in the political process bothers me as well. they also spend the least amount of time watching cable news which contributes to that

[Will Hunting]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e20a1ea7c634a405f67b9f7c91e66f20

Still a lot of votes.

But my point here also is that it's pretty much a fact of life that many people (not all) get more conservative as they age and thus vote more conservative, as they graph shows. It's rather linear. Millennials or whomever can't sit around and hope the old white people with money "see it their way." And per the graph, there's still millions of boomer Democrats, so the combined voting power of liberal Millennials, Gen Xers, and Boomers should be able to overwhelm the opposition here. But which demo "stayed home" and didn't pick up the slack? We know the answer. That's the crux of my criticism against millennials. The Forbes poll said it itself, only 2 in 10 millennials would consider themselves politically engaged. That has got to change.
So basically you’re saying the older generations are rich conservatives assholes and it’s up to the millennials to start voting more if they’re going to usher in meaningful reform.

Cant say I disagree.

[Monostradamus]

:lol

”If you selectively look at the most conservative millennials, they’re actually not liberal at all!”
:lmao

[midnightpulp]

a) thats not what the graph shows. it's not tracking the same voters over the years

b) its just as much an explanation that the overton window continues adjusting. the civil rights act was a very liberal thing, but plenty of people (conservatives, including southern democrats) opposed it. nobody would oppose it today. its not necessarily one sided. we used to have marginal tax rates up to 90. today if you want them north of 40 you are branded a socialist

https://www.economicvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Voting-pattern-by-age.jpg
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/FT_17.03.16_generations_ideology_detailed.png?w=64 0

[midnightpulp]

So basically you’re saying the older generations are rich conservatives assholes and it’s up to the millennials to start voting more if they’re going to usher in meaningful reform.

Cant say I disagree.

Yep. That's the way it's always seemed to be in American politics. People with money want to hold on to every fuckin' cent. "I got mine." And they'll be damned if the money they "bootstrapped" themselves to is going to go to freeloaders. Mind you, not all, as the graph shows, but there's enough people who were probably idealistic in their youth that turned into rich assholes when they made their first million or whatever.

Then you have "millionaire larpers," those people who think they are just temporarily humiliated millionaires. These people seem to be your middle America white working class (no fuckin' idea why they continue to vote republican. Guess it's the guns and abortion thing, but they still are against social programs).

[spurraider21]

im not disagreeing that the older generations lean more conservative than the younger generations. but that does not inherently show that young people become more conservative. is it an age thing or a generational thing? that data alone isn't answering the question

[Will Hunting]

Then you have "millionaire larpers," those people who think they are just temporarily humiliated millionaires. These people seem to be your middle America white working class (no fuckin' idea why they continue to vote republican. Guess it's the guns and abortion thing, but they still are against social programs).
This is my main gripe in the boomer v millennial debate. I agree that rich people are always going to be assholes, but I see a lot more joe the plumber types in boomers than I do millennials. Poor/middle class millennials seem to be a lot more cognizant of their diminished social standing than poor/middle class boomers are.

[midnightpulp]

im not disagreeing that the older generations lean more conservative than the younger generations. but that does not inherently show that young people become more conservative. is it an age thing or a generational thing? that data alone isn't answering the question

See the bottom graph. You'll see that boomers went from 39 percent republican/lean republican in '00 to 44 percent 2016. Xers went from 37 to 39 percent. Silents went from 38 to 48. These small percentage increases and decreases are enough to swing elections.

[spurraider21]

See the bottom graph. You'll see that boomers went from 39 percent republican/lean republican in '00 to 44 percent 2016. Xers went from 37 to 39 percent. Silents went from 38 to 48. These small percentage increases and decreases are enough to swing elections.
boomers went from 43% democrat/lean democrat in '00 to 44% in 2016. Xers went from 41 to 48. Silents went from 43 to 41.

you're really just having independents "pick sides" more than a shift one way or the other

[spurraider21]

honestly i've always interpreted the whole "you'll get more conservative when you get older" meme as parents not trying to understand why their kids are more liberal than them and just getting defensive when their worldview is challenged

[midnightpulp]

This is my main gripe in the boomer v millennial debate. I agree that rich people are always going to be assholes, but I see a lot more joe the plumber types in boomers than I do millennials. Poor/middle class millennials seem to be a lot more cognizant of their diminished social standing than poor/middle class boomers are.

It probably has to do with the time period in which they were raised. Boomers grew up during the post-war optimism period where the middle class soared and the American mentality was "can do" in all manners of technology, society, etc. Boomers saw once-in-a-lifetime events like the moon landing unfold in their living rooms. The Vietnam War threw a bit of wet blanket on things, but that optimism was regained when boomers basically protested the war to end. So again, "can do."

I'm of the oldest millennial demo or youngest Xer, and the 80s, even with Reaganomics and the Cold War, was still a rather "optimistic time," which is why I think 80s nostalgia is so prevalent. But everything changed during 9/11 and then the great recession and now this coronavirus situation. So younger millennials really never known a time of unbounded optimism like the boomers did. This might explain why Boomers were taken in with the MAGA shit. Trump sold himself as a figure who would return them to that time when we were landing on the moon and pop was making a great living at the Chrysler factory. That said, this is more of a middle America mentality than a coastal one. Coastal boomers tend to be liberals, either limousine liberals or liberals because they are a minority. Why Trump went for the low hanging fruit in Middle America.

[ElNono]

So basically you’re saying the older generations are rich conservatives assholes and it’s up to the millennials to start voting more if they’re going to usher in meaningful reform.

Cant say I disagree.

I don't think anybody disagrees with that mantra, but it's a gruesome simplification of the whole thing. ie: it's not Millenials that control the leadership of the two largest parties.

And so, it's easy to just say, go out and vote! But then suddenly the menu is one 70+ years old vs another 70+ years old, people that can't hardly identify with.

I'm not saying the mantra is wrong, or that even mid is wrong, but without putting it in context, it's also a bit misleading. It's more complex than... just vote!

[ElNono]

Then you have "millionaire larpers," those people who think they are just temporarily humiliated millionaires. These people seem to be your middle America white working class (no fuckin' idea why they continue to vote republican. Guess it's the guns and abortion thing, but they still are against social programs).


This is my main gripe in the boomer v millennial debate. I agree that rich people are always going to be assholes, but I see a lot more joe the plumber types in boomers than I do millennials. Poor/middle class millennials seem to be a lot more cognizant of their diminished social standing than poor/middle class boomers are.

This is perhaps the biggest mystery/scam of them all.

[midnightpulp]

boomers went from 43% democrat/lean democrat in '00 to 44% in 2016. Xers went from 41 to 48. Silents went from 43 to 41.

you're really just having independents "pick sides" more than a shift one way or the other

Yeah, but the republican lean saw the most gains (aside form Xers).

I'm assuming maybe those independents came to be attracted to some part of the conservative platform as they aged, maybe abortion laws, tax cuts, etc.

Ultimately, this generation shit is rather arbitrary. I have way, way more in common with someone born in 1975 than someone born in 1998. Boomers who were born in 1964 are quite different from Boomers born in 1946. The former was the punk rock and hip hop generation, while the latter was the Elvis and Beatles generation.

[spurraider21]

This is perhaps the biggest mystery/scam of them all.
votingrepublican.jpg tbh

[Thread]

The Greatest Generation brought us 50% divorce rate & we've never recovered.
The Greatest Generation brought alcohol abuse on a scale we've never recovered from.

[midnightpulp]

I don't think anybody disagrees with that mantra, but it's a gruesome simplification of the whole thing. ie: it's not Millenials that control the leadership of the two largest parties.

And so, it's easy to just say, go out and vote! But then suddenly the menu is one 70+ years old vs another 70+ years old, people that can't hardly identify with.

I'm not saying the mantra is wrong, or that even mid is wrong, but without putting it in context, it's also a bit misleading. It's more complex than... just vote!

This just sounds like a bit more excuse making. People who run for president are usually old. They're usually white, Christian, and rich. In my voting career, I've never had a candidate "I could identify with," but I "just voted," because as trite as it sounds, the lesser of two evils is still a lesser evil. I remained convinced that if Al Gore won (which he actually did), 9/11 and the recession don't happen. The price of not voting in 2016 was getting a 2nd rate game show host as "our" president. Same logic. I think Hillary is probably better prepared for the coronavirus than Trump. At the very least, she wouldn't have stirred up the very ugly racial and nationalistic sentiment Trump did.

For the president, most we can do usually is vote in the lesser of evils. The candidates "you can get excited about," are usually your local politicians, who tend to skew younger and are more directly involved with their base (e.g. Cortez and O'Rourke).

[midnightpulp]

The Greatest Generation brought us 50% divorce rate & we've never recovered.
The Greatest Generation brought alcohol abuse on a scale we've never recovered from.

Cub is actually right. How much of a "lie" is this picture?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9pcj8TJpB1r48hglo1_1280.jpg

Frank Zappa

Someone said they made some noise
The cops have shot some girls & boys
You'll sit home & drink all night
They looked too weird . . . it served them right
Mama! Mama!
Someone said they made some noise
The cops have shot some girls & boys
You'll sit home & drink all night
They looked too weird . . . it served them right
Ever take a minute just to show a real emotion
In between the moisture cream & velvet facial lotion?
Ever tell your kids you're glad that they can think?
Ever say you loved 'em? Ever let 'em watch you drink?
Ever wonder why your daughter looked so sad?
It's such a drag to have to love a plastic Mom & Dad
Mama! Mama!
Your child was killed in the park today
Shot by the cops as she quietly lay
By the side of the creeps she knew . . .
They killed her too.

[Chucho]

The hippie movement was a self-serving, trendy fashion fad. Outside of civil rights protests (lead by black leaders, not hippies), their demonstrations didn't accomplish shit. They got Nixon elected (and re-elected) and they spit on Vietnam soldiers. Protests of the past 5 years are far more altruistic and substantive than the hippies.


LOL, easy to say the same thing about today's SJWs. It was a fad filled with vain, ineffectual protests generally organized by black people. People plying their pain off of history, re-opening wounds isn't substantive. Millennials basically treat people who enlist in the army with the same disdain they do the Conversative party and also use military service to discredit and demean people who go into service.

Also, there were plenty of white activist led protests. Regardless of hippies, they were still Boomers. How can you quantify it was more substantive and altruistic?

Annddd, they got Trump elected and they're probably going to get him elected again.

Only difference? Richard Nixon was is probably the most progressive President of the modern times and his election fixed a whole lot of shit. The good he did certainly outweighed the bad. We'd be ecstatic and blessed if either of the past 3 Administrations achieved what he did, sans WaterGate obviously.

[Will Hunting]

I don't think anybody disagrees with that mantra, but it's a gruesome simplification of the whole thing. ie: it's not Millenials that control the leadership of the two largest parties.

And so, it's easy to just say, go out and vote! But then suddenly the menu is one 70+ years old vs another 70+ years old, people that can't hardly identify with.

I'm not saying the mantra is wrong, or that even mid is wrong, but without putting it in context, it's also a bit misleading. It's more complex than... just vote!
Yeah I don’t think you quite got what I was saying but regardless I agree with this.

”JUST VOTE!” doesn’t work when both candidates are for private healthcare, ballooning college tuition, corporate tax cuts and rampant military spending.

[Will Hunting]

LOL, easy to say the same thing about today's SJWs. It was a fad filled with vain, ineffectual protests generally organized by black people. People plying their pain off of history, re-opening wounds isn't substantive. Millennials basically treat people who enlist in the army with the same disdain they do the Conversative party and also use military service to discredit and demean people who go into service.

Also, there were plenty of white activist led protests. Regardless of hippies, they were still Boomers. How can you quantify it was more substantive and altruistic?

Annddd, they got Trump elected and they're probably going to get him elected again.

Only difference? Richard Nixon was is probably the most progressive President of the modern times and his election fixed a whole lot of shit. The good he did certainly outweighed the bad. We'd be ecstatic and blessed if either of the past 3 Administrations achieved what he did, sans WaterGate obviously.
Unfortunately if Nixon were to run on the same platform today Sean Hannity would fall him a communist.

[Spurminator]

Occupy Wall Street (although not 5 years ago) followed that same, self-serving trendy fashion fad. The real place that should've been occupied was 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, but it was "cooler" to shout angst at evil bankers, when Barry O didn't do much to change things aside from take very healthy donations from Wall Street. But Barry O was a liberal icon for some reason, so obviously the occupiers weren't going to target "Hope and Change."

White House protests have been done before. OWS at least had a different spin. They just had a messaging/execution problem and no real leadership. Seeing how Wall Street basically has 50% of the country's retirement savings held hostage, and the ability to react to future crises faster than the general public out of self-protection, I think OWS had the right target. That big fucking casino shouldn't even exist.


What other protests have been substantial? March for our Lives? No change to the gun laws, as far as I know. Environmentalism? This is a major bone I pick with millennials. Little Greta Thurnberg loves to talk about carbon emissions related to transportation, but says nothing about her generation's use of tech gadgets. "Kneeling." Lol. Nothing trendier and more self-serving than that. I'm definitely sympathetic to cause. But you know what would really be effective? Boycotting the fuckin' season. Kneeling and then standing up to continue to getting paid your millions doesn't seem like a sincere gesture to me. Everyone is an "activist" as long as that activism doesn't come with an uncomfortable lifestyle change.

Greta Thurnberg is a FOX News boogeyman and she isn't even a Millennial. If anything, the protests of the past 4 years have lead to increased voter registration and turnout. The 2018 midterms had the highest turnout in 100 years. No one expects John Cornyn and Mitch McConnell to see the streets full of activists and think, "Gosh, maybe we SHOULD enact gun legislation."

[picnroll]

When millennials inherit all that money from their dead coronafied boomer parents they’ll be voting straight Tump. :lol

[picnroll]

Wrong thread

[Spurminator]

LOL, easy to say the same thing about today's SJWs. It was a fad filled with vain, ineffectual protests generally organized by black people. People plying their pain off of history, re-opening wounds isn't substantive. Millennials basically treat people who enlist in the army with the same disdain they do the Conversative party and also use military service to discredit and demean people who go into service.

Protests today are much more respectful of blue collar military types and cops than they ever were in the 60's. At it's worst (Antifa), the vandalism and violence is far less than the leftist groups of the 60's.

I don't know where you're seeing disdain for military enlistees. I'm not seeing it. The targets of current protests have generally been leadership.

[midnightpulp]

White House protests have been done before. OWS at least had a different spin. They just had a messaging/execution problem and no real leadership. Seeing how Wall Street basically has 50% of the country's retirement savings held hostage, and the ability to react to future crises faster than the general public out of self-protection, I think OWS had the right target. That big fucking casino shouldn't even exist.



Greta Thurnberg is a FOX News boogeyman and she isn't even a Millennial. If anything, the protests of the past 4 years have lead to increased voter registration and turnout. The 2018 midterms had the highest turnout in 100 years. No one expects John Cornyn and Mitch McConnell to see the streets full of activists and think, "Gosh, maybe we SHOULD enact gun legislation."

And they're able to do that because government policy allows them to. How is it "the right target" when Wall Street doesn't enact policy of any kind? Doesn't make sense.

Thunberg isn't a millennial, but her message resonates with the millennials, who are supposed to be the most climate aware generation, but yet every new iteration of the iPhone or whatever that comes out every year sells like fuckin' hotcakes. Point here is that it's easy to criticize "boomer things" like their muscle car or 4x4 for polluting the environment because it's an easy target. But not a fuckin' peep from "millennial environmentalists" about smartphones and tech gadgets in general. *Google Search* "Greta Thunberg making people rethink air travel." Where's Greta Thunberg makes people rethink smartphone usage?

I would have to agree I'm not sure what can change gun legislation across the country. The gun control camps are firmly divided.

[Splits]

I can't agree with this. I'm not challenging your anecdotes, because that is your personal experience.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession.

Yeah, as long as that experience can be shared (and then commodified) through social networking sites, which basically turns millennials into unwitting employees of facebook et al as they freely create content for those platforms. And millennials seem to only "be about experiences" if there's someone else to click the like button on their picture of avocado toast. Point is, millennials don't seek out these experiences for personal growth, but for social validation, which ironically makes them the ultimate consumers.

They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains.

They're connected to Amazon Prime by an umbilical cord. The massive retail apocalypse around the country, which mom-and-pop business have taken the brunt of, even more so than chains, shows that millennials aren't really about supporting local businesses and chains. My anecdote here is in that my town, I've seen mom-and-pop store after mom-and-pop store shutter, while the only store to really draw a millennial crowd was a marijuana dispensary. That's apparently what they have money for, in additional to avocado toast and smartphones.

They pose themselves as the "green generation," yet buy a new smartphone every year in addition to some other useless electronic gadget that doesn't really solve a problem, like those idiotic smart speakers. I said in another thread, the carbon footprint of smartphone use and manufacturing is projected to be greater than carbon footprint of transportation in 20 years.

They don't vote. They are either apathetic (yet complain on twitter) or sulk when their pet candidate doesn't win a primary and cut their noses off to spite their face. Boo hoo, fuckin' Bernie didn't win the 2016 nom. Most of us will never, ever have a candidate that aligns with all of our values, and the best thing you can do in most cases is vote for the lesser of two evils. Millennials took their ball and went home in 2016, and Donald fuckin' Trump was the result.

Their music is unbelievably shitty, and always has been. But that's subjective. So are movies that cater to their tastes, especially these fuckin' superhero films.

Memorialize this post. Mid bringin' his biggest hammer

[Will Hunting]

When millennials inherit all that money from their dead coronafied boomer parents they’ll be voting straight Tump. :lol
Sad but true for those it applies to, however wealth inequality only gets worse from one generation to the other so there won’t be as many rich millennials.

My silent generation grandpa just died and left $4 million or so behind, but the boomers in my family are jackasses when it comes to money so I’m never gonna see any of it :lol

[picnroll]

My silent generation grandpa just died and left $4 million or so behind, but the boomers in my family are jackasses when it comes to money so I’m never gonna see any of it :lol

Maybe that’s why you’re so bitter about boomers.

and midnightpulp
“ That's apparently what they have money for, in additional to avocado toast and smartphones. ”
How could you forget Starbucks $4 fruitified coffees. But I guess Starbucks employs all their woke brothers and sisters who majored in medieval art history and Japanese oragami.

[midnightpulp]

Unfortunately if Nixon were to run on the same platform today Sean Hannity would fall him a communist.

This is why Cortez or any future Bernie type needs to drop the "socialism" label. First of all, they aren't actually socialists (as traditionally defined by workers controlling the means of production and all that). Second of all, socialism simply has a negative stigma in this country as a result of our pissing match with the Soviets for 50 years. Even millennials favor capitalism over "socialism." Cortez, Bernie, and future Bernies need to relabel themselves "democratic capitalists," which would actually be more accurate. Then, in every speech they make, every tv appearance they make, show the people what the tax rates were during the middle class boom years in this country. Go on Hannity and confront him directly. "So Sean, you have a problem with my tax plan? Well guess what, they are actually LOWER than the rates during the 1950s America you profess to love." Tell the people about how Eisenhower favored a universal health care system. Basically communicate to Americans that their ideas aren't particularly left field.

Bernie and Cortez really don't how to communicate their message to "low information voters," and it should be their job to do that. We can criticize people for not doing research, but it's the politicians job to sell themselves and their ideas to you, not for that Joe the Plumber type to sit around for hours and hours sifting through all the bullshit in order to get a grasp on what you're about, especially with all the clickbait media and half-truth information out there. Being politically "aware" has almost become a full time job.

[picnroll]

Unfortunately if Nixon were to run on the same platform today Sean Hannity would fall him a communist.
Btw Turns out the worst thing Nixon did wasn’t Watergate, it was opening up China

[midnightpulp]

Maybe that’s why you’re so bitter about boomers.

and midnightpulp
“ That's apparently what they have money for, in additional to avocado toast and smartphones. ”
How could you forget Starbucks $4 fruitified coffees. But I guess Starbucks employs all their woke brothers and sisters who majored in medieval art history and Japanese oragami.

Yeah, they like Starbucks. Ultimately, though, generations aren't very different from each other. This shit has been going on since the dawn of time, with the ancient Greeks criticizing the youth of the day.

[picnroll]

Yeah, they like Starbucks. Ultimately, though, generations aren't very different from each other. This shit has been going on since the dawn of time, with the ancient Greeks criticizing the youth of the day.

Yep. Grandparents, parents, children. Everybody get their turn.

[Spurminator]

And they're able to do that because government policy allows them to. How is it "the right target" when Wall Street doesn't enact policy of any kind? Doesn't make sense.

It draws attention at the source of the problem. I don't think whether they're camped out on the White House lawn or on Wall Street makes any difference in visibility to legislators.


Thunberg isn't a millennial, but her message resonates with the millennials, who are supposed to be the most climate aware generation, but yet every new iteration of the iPhone or whatever that comes out every year sells like fuckin' hotcakes. Point here is that it's easy to criticize "boomer things" like their muscle car or 4x4 for polluting the environment because it's an easy target. But not a fuckin' peep from "millennial environmentalists" about smartphones and tech gadgets in general. *Google Search* "Greta Thunberg making people rethink air travel." Where's Greta Thunberg makes people rethink smartphone usage?

It's usage vs. manufacture. There's certainly a lack of awareness and concern about the conditions where smart devices are manufactured, but the individual use of such devices doesn't have any impact on the environment the way the use of private jets or muscle cars do. From a personal responsibility standpoint, Millennials are way ahead of their predecessors.

[Spurminator]

Also pretty much everyone has a smart device at this point, so it's hard to single out a generation for the negative environmental impacts of those.

[spurraider21]

This is why Cortez or any future Bernie type needs to drop the "socialism" label. First of all, they aren't actually socialists (as traditionally defined by workers controlling the means of production and all that). Second of all, socialism simply has a negative stigma in this country as a result of our pissing match with the Soviets for 50 years. Even millennials favor capitalism over "socialism." Cortez, Bernie, and future Bernies need to relabel themselves "democratic capitalists," which would actually be more accurate. Then, in every speech they make, every tv appearance they make, show the people what the tax rates were during the middle class boom years in this country. Go on Hannity and confront him directly. "So Sean, you have a problem with my tax plan? Well guess what, they are actually LOWER than the rates during the 1950s America you profess to love." Tell the people about how Eisenhower favored a universal health care system. Basically communicate to Americans that their ideas aren't particularly left field.

Bernie and Cortez really don't how to communicate their message to "low information voters," and it should be their job to do that. We can criticize people for not doing research, but it's the politicians job to sell themselves and their ideas to you, not for that Joe the Plumber type to sit around for hours and hours sifting through all the bullshit in order to get a grasp on what you're about, especially with all the clickbait media and half-truth information out there. Being politically "aware" has almost become a full time job.
the more apt term for what they represent would be Social Democrat, instead of Democratic Socialist. i used to think those were identical (just switching word order), but they're quite different

[Monostradamus]

Also, the entire fucking world is addicted to smartphones. It’s really disingenuous to act like Millennials are the only group obsessed with their phones when everybody of every age is completely dependent on them.

[midnightpulp]

It draws attention at the source of the problem. I don't think whether they're camped out on the White House lawn or on Wall Street makes any difference in visibility to legislators.



It's usage vs. manufacture. There's certainly a lack of awareness and concern about the conditions where smart devices are manufactured, but the use of such devices doesn't have any impact on the environment the way the use of private jets or muscle cars do. From a personal responsibility standpoint, Millennials are way ahead of their predecessors.

More usage translates to more manufacture. The projections are in.


"If trends continue, ICT will account for as much as 14 percent of the total global footprint by 2040, or about half of the entire transportation sector worldwide,”

https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2018-03-28-smartphones-danger-killing-planet

And that's just the manufacturing side of the equation. What about the carbon footprint and resulting pollution of the disposal of all this e-waste? That's where the muscle car is "more responsible" because you don't dispose of one and continuously rebuy the next "model." No, they are not "way ahead." Boomers are still using 2007 Dell Inspirons to sluggishly log onto to facebook to see pictures of their grandkids, while millennials need the latest tech gadget (laptop, video card, smartphone, high definition television, smart speaker, etc, etc) every year, and shit like Pelotons and smart fridges are totally unnecessary.

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2020/02/04/shitty-future-bugman-design-versus-eternal-design/

[FrostKing]

Any generation that considers Rap/Hip Hop their favorite music automatically scores the worst in IQ, social norms and personal taste

Furthermore isn't the current generation a growing weird half breed race?

[midnightpulp]

Also, the entire fucking world is addicted to smartphones. It’s really disingenuous to act like Millennials are the only group obsessed with their phones when everybody of every age is completely dependent on them.

https://www.emarketer.com/chart/219283/us-smartphone-user-penetration-by-age-2018-of-population-each-group
https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/article/2016/millennials-are-top-smartphone-users/

And this is just ownership. I'd bet a significant amount of money that millennials and zoomers make more multiple purchases of smartphones over 5 year cycles.

[Spurminator]

What about the carbon footprint and resulting pollution of the disposal of all this e-waste? That's where the muscle car is "more responsible" because you don't dispose of one and continuously rebuy the next "model." No, they are not "way ahead." Boomers are still using 2007 Dell Inspirons to sluggishly log onto to facebook to see pictures of their grandkids, while millennials need the latest tech gadget (laptop, video card, smartphone, high definition television, smart speaker, etc, etc) every year, and shit like Pelotons and smart fridges are totally unnecessary.

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2020/02/04/shitty-future-bugman-design-versus-eternal-design/

You're comparing one thing with a 90%+ cultural penetration to something that 1 in every several hundred or people owns. A millennial could own and swap 100 smart devices in his lifetime and not achieve a fraction of the carbon footprint of a single Camero. They deserve credit for eschewing big pollutants on an individual level.

I can't hold it against them for keeping up with technology. We depend on apps and software that quickly become obsolete thanks to obsolescence schedules put in place by people who aren't millennials.

Boomers are using the 2007 Dell because old people resist change, not because they give a shit about the environment :lol. And when it stops working, they're going to toss it in the garbage because recycling is for homos.

[midnightpulp]

Also pretty much everyone has a smart device at this point, so it's hard to single out a generation for the negative environmental impacts of those.

Again, it's not the use necessarily, but the manufacture, where the strip mining and such has a big carbon footprint. Not to mention the carbon footprint with regard to disposal. Sure, a boomer might be addicted to their smartphone, but they're likely still using something from the mid-10s, while millennials line up like lemmings every year to buy the latest horseshit from Apple or Samsung because it has 3 cameras or some other frivolous feature like morphing your face into an emoji.

[koriwhat]

Maybe that’s why you’re so bitter about boomers.

and midnightpulp
“ That's apparently what they have money for, in additional to avocado toast and smartphones. ”
How could you forget Starbucks $4 fruitified coffees. But I guess Starbucks employs all their woke brothers and sisters who majored in medieval art history and Japanese oragami.


When millennials inherit all that money from their dead coronafied boomer parents they’ll be voting straight Tump. :lol

you're on a roll today :tu

[koriwhat]

Also, the entire fucking world is addicted to smartphones. It’s really disingenuous to act like Millennials are the only group obsessed with their phones when everybody of every age is completely dependent on them.

it's not their phones they're obsessed with... it's what the phone accesses which is nothing but porn and narcissistic social media sites/apps. get rid of it all for all i care!

our phones should strictly be for conversation and gps. nothing more, nothing less.

[Monostradamus]

https://www.emarketer.com/chart/219283/us-smartphone-user-penetration-by-age-2018-of-population-each-group
https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/article/2016/millennials-are-top-smartphone-users/

And this is just ownership. I'd bet a significant amount of money that millennials and zoomers make more multiple purchases of smartphones over 5 year cycles.
Biggest smartphone users doesn’t mean they’re the only ones obsessed with smartphones.

And yeah, those 60+ year olds with a 76% usage rate are totally not dependent :lmao

[Monostradamus]

Again, it's not the use necessarily, but the manufacture, where the strip mining and such has a big carbon footprint. Not to mention the carbon footprint with regard to disposal. Sure, a boomer might be addicted to their smartphone, but they're likely still using something from the mid-10s, while millennials line up like lemmings every year to buy the latest horseshit from Apple or Samsung because it has 3 cameras or some other frivolous feature like morphing your face into an emoji.
Millennials - the first generation to ever fall for the NEW BIG THING gimmick!

[midnightpulp]

You're comparing one thing with a 90%+ cultural penetration to something that 1 in every several hundred or people owns. A millennial could own and swap 100 smart devices in his lifetime and not achieve a fraction of the carbon footprint of a single Camero. They deserve credit for eschewing big pollutants on an individual level.

I can't hold it against them for keeping up with technology. We depend on apps and software that quickly become obsolete thanks to obsolescence schedules put in place by people who aren't millennials.

Boomers are using the 2007 Dell because old people resist change, not because they give a shit about the environment :lol. And when it stops working, they're going to toss it in the garbage because recycling is for homos.

Yeah, I'd love to see your stats on the comparative carbon footprint of a Camaro vs. the carbon footprint of a 100 smart devices. And what do you think the trucks that deliver all of those smart devices to them run on? Unicorn dust? Or the heavy equipment used to strip mine the materials to manufacture those phones? Greta Thunberg's tears?

My S5 still runs fine. Maybe don't buy fuckin' Apple. They've been planned obsolescence, walled garden bullshit since their inception. But millennials seem to love Apple because they're so progressive and stylish, right?

Not all change is good just because it's change. If the Dell is serving its purpose, no need to upgrade because the advertising man told you the new model is going to totally make life so much more exciting, convenient, and fun!

[midnightpulp]

Biggest smartphone users doesn’t mean they’re the only ones obsessed with smartphones.

And yeah, those 60+ year olds with a 76% usage rate are totally not dependent :lmao

Use really isn't the problem. It's the manufacturing of them. People who don't give a shit about their social media presence can ride a mid-10s smartphone to its grave, while millennials apparently need an extra camera for some fuckin' reason. And why in the fuck are smart fridges a thing? Though I could see Xers being taken in by those. Most of the tech is just frivolous bullshit that doesn't solve any real problems. They're toys. Sure, toys are fun, but if we're really THAT concerned about the environment, why are we buying them and not reusing some fridge from 1970 (which ironically will be better built).

[midnightpulp]

Millennials - the first generation to ever fall for the NEW BIG THING gimmick!

They seem to fall for it quite a lot more. I mean, sure, when you're 20 I get it. But 35 year olds lining up for this shit is amusing. You're hip to all the memes. Here's one.

https://i.redd.it/0emz0hoqxl741.png

[midnightpulp]

^ And these are millennials and zoomers making these memes, so don't shoot the messenger, bros.

[Monostradamus]

Millenials - the first generation to ever wait in line for a new product!

[midnightpulp]

:lol all this sudden defense of millennials when


5. Millennials - whiny entitled brats

I wonder what it was in my "avocado toast rant" that caused the shift? You've been defending millennials vs. my posts ever since. You own a smart speaker, don't you?

[Monostradamus]

:lol all this sudden defense of millennials when



I wonder what it was in my "avocado toast rant" that caused the shift? You've been defending millennials vs. my posts ever since. You own a smart speaker, don't you?
I was just legitimately curious if you were actually older than I thought you were, because you went on an ultra-generic, buzzword fueled Fox News anti-millennial rant. I honestly thought you were better than that, but it’s all good boomer :tu

[midnightpulp]

I was just legitimately curious if you were actually older than I thought you were, because you went on an ultra-generic, buzzword fueled Fox News anti-millennial rant. I honestly thought you were better than that, but it’s all good boomer :tu

Yeah, but I didn't use any generic Fox News millennial buzzwords aside from the avocado toast slight. Calling them "whiny entitled brats" who like boy bands and nu-metal is more ultra-generic and "boomer" than anything I wrote in that criticism. And you're not wrong. So where am I "wrong?"

[picnroll]

They seem to fall for it quite a lot more. I mean, sure, when you're 20 I get it. But 35 year olds lining up for this shit is amusing. You're hip to all the memes. Here's one.

https://i.redd.it/0emz0hoqxl741.png

Nailed it. :rollin
Add first generation to pay $4.50 for a cup of coffee and then whine about being poor. :rollin

[Monostradamus]

Yeah, but I didn't use any generic Fox News millennial buzzwords aside from the avocado toast slight. Calling them "whiny entitled brats" who like boy bands and nu-metal is more ultra-generic and "boomer" than anything I wrote in that criticism. And you're not wrong. So where am I "wrong?"
-two avocado toast references
-thinking millennials still use facebook :lmao
-“narcissistic generation seeking social validation” as if any other generation wasn’t equally narcissistic and in need of peer approval
-“tech obsessed” as if every other generation just rejected the new technology of their era

all you needed was a “Peter Pan Syndrome” reference to hit Fox News Anti-Millennial Bingo

[Monostradamus]

Nailed it. :rollin
Add first generation to pay $4.50 for a cup of coffee and then whine about being poor. :rollin
:lmao case in point

[picnroll]

-two avocado toast references
-thinking millennials still use facebook :lmao
-“narcissistic generation seeking social validation” as if any other generation wasn’t equally narcissistic and in need of peer approval
-“tech obsessed” as if every other generation just rejected the new technology of their era

all you needed was a “Peter Pan Syndrome” reference to hit Fox News Anti-Millennial Bingo

It’s you. Own it bitch. :toast
Veteran of Star Wars and the cola wars. :rollin

[Monostradamus]

It’s you. Own it bitch. :toast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

[ElNono]

This just sounds like a bit more excuse making. People who run for president are usually old. They're usually white, Christian, and rich. In my voting career, I've never had a candidate "I could identify with," but I "just voted," because as trite as it sounds, the lesser of two evils is still a lesser evil. I remained convinced that if Al Gore won (which he actually did), 9/11 and the recession don't happen. The price of not voting in 2016 was getting a 2nd rate game show host as "our" president. Same logic. I think Hillary is probably better prepared for the coronavirus than Trump. At the very least, she wouldn't have stirred up the very ugly racial and nationalistic sentiment Trump did.

For the president, most we can do usually is vote in the lesser of evils. The candidates "you can get excited about," are usually your local politicians, who tend to skew younger and are more directly involved with their base (e.g. Cortez and O'Rourke).

You can keep saying it's an excuse, but that doesn't make it so. When it was relatively young and not white, they came out in droves to support him. So we're not talking about some imaginary scenario here, this is just as relevant as Shillary being an old and terrible candidate.

[midnightpulp]

-two avocado toast references
-thinking millennials still use facebook :lmao
-“narcissistic generation seeking social validation” as if any other generation wasn’t equally narcissistic and in need of peer approval
-“tech obsessed” as if every other generation just rejected the new technology of their era

all you needed was a “Peter Pan Syndrome” reference to hit Fox News Anti-Millennial Bingo

But you hit the Fox News anti-millennial bingo with one sentence :lol. Whiny, entitled, brats, and their music sucks!

We could honestly say the same thing here about the evil boomers.

-They destroyed the environment!
As if every other generation and current generations aren't shitting on the planet in order to maintain their lifestyle.
-They're greedy!
As if every other generation wasn't/isn't greedy.
-They constantly tell us we're lazy and entitled
As if every other generation didn't experience backlash from their elders.

So I guess we'll conclude here that no generation is really different from another.

[ElNono]

Yeah I don’t think you quite got what I was saying but regardless I agree with this.

”JUST VOTE!” doesn’t work when both candidates are for private healthcare, ballooning college tuition, corporate tax cuts and rampant military spending.

It actually makes up for added frustration.

[Monostradamus]

But you hit the Fox News anti-millennial bingo with one sentence :lol. Whiny, entitled, brats, and their music sucks!

We could honestly say the same thing here about the evil boomers.

-They destroyed the environment!
As if every other generation and current generations aren't shitting on the planet in order to maintain their lifestyle.
-They're greedy!
As if every other generation wasn't/isn't greedy.
-They constantly tell us we're lazy and entitled
As if every other generation didn't experience backlash from their elders.

So I guess we'll conclude here that no generation is really different from another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

[Monostradamus]

But you hit the Fox News anti-millennial bingo with one sentence :lol. Whiny, entitled, brats, and their music sucks!
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.jpg

[midnightpulp]

You can keep saying it's an excuse, but that doesn't make it so. When it was relatively young and not white, they came out in droves to support him. So we're not talking about some imaginary scenario here, this is just as relevant as Shillary being an old and terrible candidate.

So younger voters need a pet candidate in order for them to get out and vote? If preventing a shitheel like Trump isn't enough to rouse the younger voter base into voting to keep him out of office, I don't know what to say. Terrible or not, Hillary's tax plan should've been enough to get more millennials to the polls. Republicans will often hold their nose for shitty candidate if their tax plan is favorable to them. She proposed raising capital gains taxes by double. You can't not take action and then complain that you are being held down.

[midnightpulp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

Posting that at me when you won the Fox News anti-millennial bingo :lol.

[Will Hunting]

:lol all this sudden defense of millennials when



I wonder what it was in my "avocado toast rant" that caused the shift? You've been defending millennials vs. my posts ever since. You own a smart speaker, don't you?
Do you really not understand the point of the OP?

[ElNono]

So younger voters need a pet candidate in order for them to get out and vote? If preventing a shitheel like Trump isn't enough to rouse the younger voter base into voting to keep him out of office, I don't know what to say. Terrible or not, Hillary's tax plan should've been enough to get more millennials to the polls. Republicans will often hold their nose for shitty candidate if their tax plan is favorable to them. She proposed raising capital gains taxes by double. You can't not take action and then complain that you are being held down.

It's not just younger, it happens in a number of demographics also. I'm sure 'exciting the base' is not a new term for you, mid? And you keep harping on Trump the president vs Trump the candidate, but we can go back and see what he was campaigning on (a former liberal democrat, no less) and he ran a very lefty campaign.

I can't emphasize enough how bad a candidate Hillary was. I was joking last week that the DNC was going to make Donna Brazile Biden's VP, and half the forum here said they would vote for Trump if that was the case.
That's how bad Hillary was. Unlikeable and unrelatable to the young, cunty and corrupt to the older, and yet she still managed to get more votes than Dear Leader, just not where it mattered.

[Will Hunting]

It's not just younger, it happens in a number of demographics also. I'm sure 'exciting the base' is not a new term for you, mid? And you keep harping on Trump the president vs Trump the candidate, but we can go back and see what he was campaigning on (a former liberal democrat, no less) and he ran a very lefty campaign.

I can't emphasize enough how bad a candidate Hillary was. I was joking last week that the DNC was going to make Donna Brazile Biden's VP, and half the forum here said they would vote for Trump if that was the case.
That's how bad Hillary was. Unlikeable and unrelatable to the young, cunty and corrupt to the older, and yet she still managed to get more votes than Dear Leader, just not where it mattered.
I’d celebrate Donna Brazile getting coronoavirus tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Do you really not understand the point of the OP?

Yes, it was to shit on generations, and Mono shit on millennials as whiny and entitled, so I don't get why he focused on all my criticisms of millennials thereafter. And nowhere in that post did I exalt boomers over millennials. I was simply countering Spurminator's effusive praise of them. Notice I criticized the Greatest Generation, as well. But that didn't seem to draw the same ire. Wonder why?

[Will Hunting]

Yes, it was to shit on generations, and Mono shit on millennials as whiny and entitled, so I don't get why he focused on all my criticisms of millennials thereafter. And nowhere in that post did I exalt boomers over millennials. I was simply countering Spurminator's effusive praise of them. Notice I criticized the Greatest Generation, as well. But that didn't seem to draw the same ire. Wonder why?
Yeah no, definitely wasn’t the point to just generally shit on generations.

[midnightpulp]

It's not just younger, it happens in a number of demographics also. I'm sure 'exciting the base' is not a new term for you, mid? And you keep harping on Trump the president vs Trump the candidate, but we can go back and see what he was campaigning on (a former liberal democrat, no less) and he ran a very lefty campaign.

I can't emphasize enough how bad a candidate Hillary was. I was joking last week that the DNC was going to make Donna Brazile Biden's VP, and half the forum here said they would vote for Trump if that was the case.
That's how bad Hillary was. Unlikeable and unrelatable to the young, cunty and corrupt to the older, and yet she still managed to get more votes than Dear Leader, just not where it mattered.

Everyone with a brain should've saw right through Trump as a lying flip-flopper. And his tax plan proposal from day one was never lefty. He paid some lip service to universal healthcare, but didn't elaborate. What I saw during the run up was the alt-right and other nationalist retards (on the likes of shitholes like the Chans and reddit) champion Trump, and indeed he courted them. He made that relationship even clearer by hiring Steve Bannon as his chief strategist and wonks like Stephen Miller. That was enough for me to vote for the cunty and old Hillary over him.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah no, definitely wasn’t the point to just generally shit on generations.

Or rank them. Whatever. He shit on millennials and boomers in the OP. I continued with general criticisms toward millennials, and then Mono replied to me with 6 month old zoomer memes.

[DMC]

Yes, it was to shit on generations, and Mono shit on millennials as whiny and entitled, so I don't get why he focused on all my criticisms of millennials thereafter. And nowhere in that post did I exalt boomers over millennials. I was simply countering Spurminator's effusive praise of them. Notice I criticized the Greatest Generation, as well. But that didn't seem to draw the same ire. Wonder why?

I don't think so. I think it was to talk about something other than the virus.

[spurraider21]

yeah... mono ranked millenials 5th out of 6th which wasnt exactly a ringing endorsement to begin with :lol

[midnightpulp]

yeah... mono ranked millenials 5th out of 6th which wasnt exactly a ringing endorsement to begin with :lol

Personally, I think the Greatest Generation silently did the most damage despite their World War II heroism. They were the inventors of outsourcing. They killed manufacturing. They started the Vietnam War. They started the intense meddling in the Middle East. The Cold War. The Reagan tax cuts. And so on.

[Monostradamus]

I don't think so. I think it was to talk about something other than the virus.
This social distancing got me bored as hell, Uncut Gems was incredibly disappointing, and I needed to stir shit up until I could watch the new episode of Devs :lol picnroll and CC were guaranteed bites, but mid was completely unexpected :lol

[Spurminator]

Yeah, I'd love to see your stats on the comparative carbon footprint of a Camaro vs. the carbon footprint of a 100 smart devices. And what do you think the trucks that deliver all of those smart devices to them run on? Unicorn dust? Or the heavy equipment used to strip mine the materials to manufacture those phones? Greta Thunberg's tears?

Avg iPhone X lifetime carbon emissions (usage and production): 79kg
https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-iphone-x-environmental-report/

Avg Camaro emissions from 60K miles of driving: 33.86 tons
https://www.nextgreencar.com/emissions-calculator/chevrolet/camaro-coupe/#calc-results
Production: ~12 tons
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093657_buying-a-new-car-is-greener-than-driving-an-old-one-really
Total: 45.86 tons, or 45,860 kg

iphone x 100 = 7,900 kg

So I should have said 500x :)

And Millennials didn't invent the 18-wheeler. Matter of fact, millennials weren't the generation that decided they need a new car every five years.

New phone every year vs. new car every five. Which one do you think creates a bigger carbon footprint? Which generation has adopted the hybrid and electric cars after previous generations laughed them off? Which generation is opting for urban living and taking public transportation to work?

I guarantee you as soon as there's a "green" phone, younger generations will adopt it while old timers will call them tree hugging hippies and criticize them for paying more.


My S5 still runs fine. Maybe don't buy fuckin' Apple. They've been planned obsolescence, walled garden bullshit since their inception. But millennials seem to love Apple because they're so progressive and stylish, right?

I can't find any stats supporting the idea that Millennials buy iPhones at a greater share than Android vs any other generation. The data certainly doesn't show a substantial preference vs. other age groups.


Not all change is good just because it's change. If the Dell is serving its purpose, no need to upgrade because the advertising man told you the new model is going to totally make life so much more exciting, convenient, and fun!

Millennials own desktop and laptop computers at a lower incidence than Gen Xers, and overall ownership is declining. I don't know that there's any data to support the idea that they're getting a new laptop computer every couple years. They certainly use them less than they use their phones.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2015/10/29/the-demographics-of-device-ownership/

[Monostradamus]

Yeah no, definitely wasn’t the point to just generally shit on generations.
Your work a few days ago was my inspiration tbh :tu

[Spurminator]

This social distancing got me bored as hell, Uncut Gems was incredibly disappointing, and I needed to stir shit up until I could watch the new episode of Devs :lol picnroll and CC were guaranteed bites, but mid was completely unexpected :lol

Best thread in this forum in a long time, tbh

[spurraider21]

Best thread in this forum in a long time, tbh
better than the Blake and Reck thread?

[spurraider21]

i will say, to go back, that mid is somewhat correct that buying used cars is more green than buying a new hybrid/electric car (though this contemplates that 1 brand new "green" vehicle is manufactured every time 1 is purchased, which isn't really how it works). ride the old ones, but stop manufacturing/buying new clunkers

[Spurminator]

better than the Blake and Reck thread?

That one is just depressing. Like watching someone slowly die even though you're trying to ignore them.

[ElNono]

Everyone with a brain should've saw right through Trump as a lying flip-flopper. And his tax plan proposal from day one was never lefty. He paid some lip service to universal healthcare, but didn't elaborate. What I saw during the run up was the alt-right and other nationalist retards (on the likes of shitholes like the Chans and reddit) champion Trump, and indeed he courted them. He made that relationship even clearer by hiring Steve Bannon as his chief strategist and wonks like Stephen Miller. That was enough for me to vote for the cunty and old Hillary over him.

That's what we all thought. We were clearly wrong. Globalization was much more hated than thought.

[Spurminator]

i will say, to go back, that mid is somewhat correct that buying used cars is more green than buying a new hybrid/electric car (though this contemplates that 1 brand new "green" vehicle is manufactured every time 1 is purchased, which isn't really how it works).

I agree with this too, but at some point people will be buying used hybrid/electrics, and they only got market penetration in the first place because people bought the new ones and showed there was a demand.

[midnightpulp]

Avg iPhone X lifetime carbon emissions (usage and production): 79kg
https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-iphone-x-environmental-report/

Avg Camaro emissions from 60K miles of driving: 33.86 tons
https://www.nextgreencar.com/emissions-calculator/chevrolet/camaro-coupe/#calc-results
Production: ~12kg
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093657_buying-a-new-car-is-greener-than-driving-an-old-one-really
Total: 45.86 tons, or 45,860 kg

iphone x 100 = 7,900 kg

So I should have said 500x :)

And Millennials didn't invent the 18-wheeler. Matter of fact, millennials weren't the generation that decided they need a new car every five years.

New phone every year vs. new car every five. Which one do you think creates a bigger carbon footprint? Which generation has adopted the hybrid and electric cars after previous generations laughed them off? Which generation is opting for urban living and taking public transportation to work?

I guarantee you as soon as there's a "green" phone, younger generations will adopt it while old timers will call them tree hugging hippies and criticize them for paying more.



I can't find any stats supporting the idea that Millennials buy iPhones at a greater share than Android vs any other generation. The data certainly doesn't show a substantial preference vs. other age groups.



Millennials own desktop and laptop computers at a lower incidence than Gen Xers, and overall ownership is declining. I don't know that there's any data to support the idea that they're getting a new laptop computer every couple years. They certainly use them less than they use their phones.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2015/10/29/the-demographics-of-device-ownership/

You're actually posting advertising copy at me as "proof" of the low carbon footprint of the production of the iPhone? Nowhere in any of their copy do I see a breakdown of the environmental cost of the strip mining and battery production. How about this from an actual impartial source:


According to consultancy Cairn Energy Research Advisors, the lithium ion industry is expected to grow from 100 gigawatt hours (GWh) of annual production in 2017, to almost 800 GWhs in 2027.


“Like any mining process, it is invasive, it scars the landscape, it destroys the water table and it pollutes the earth and the local wells,” said Guillermo Gonzalez, a lithium battery expert from the University of Chile, in a 2009 interview. “This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all.”

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

8 fuckin times in 10 years

That relates to the projections that the manufacturer of digital devices will half of the carbon footprint of all transportation in 20 years, and that's not even factoring in the transportation of the goods themselves. But yeah, millennials, so green and aware.

Apple's dumb report probably just considers the footprint of manufacture at the factory alone, and doesn't factor in all the strip mining and such in order to create the batteries.

I can't find any stats supporting the idea that Millennials buy iPhones at a greater share than Android vs any other generation. The data certainly doesn't show a substantial preference vs. other age groups.

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-popularity-teens-piper-jaffray-2018-4
https://fortune.com/2018/03/09/millennials-apple-brand-intimacy/

Android seems to sell better in the US per this graph, but teens and millennials cite Apple as their favorite brand. Perhaps their favorite Apple products are laptops and pads, but I think we can reasonably extrapolate they buy iPhones more than other generations.

https://s1.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w500/e72c8041a33acda303838c098a968bf8a5185e40.jpg

:cry they didn't invent 18 wheelers :cry. (do millennials ever do anything wrong in your world?) But they sure as hell don't have a problem with those 18 wheelers and panel trucks bringing Amazon goodies to their doorsteps, do they?

Which generation has adopted the hybrid and electric cars after previous generations laughed them off?

"Compared to the demographics of the segment, Prius owners are much older and wealthier. Most are male (62% vs. 59% for the segment) with a median age of 65 years"

https://insideevs.com/news/319696/typical-chevy-volt-buyer-is-male-age-51/

"Nissan’s director of electric vehicle sales and marketing in North America, said the average age of LEAF buyers has dropped from a high of 53 years old last year to 51 years old this year." (from 2013).

[midnightpulp]

i will say, to go back, that mid is somewhat correct that buying used cars is more green than buying a new hybrid/electric car (though this contemplates that 1 brand new "green" vehicle is manufactured every time 1 is purchased, which isn't really how it works). ride the old ones, but stop manufacturing/buying new clunkers

There's so many used products you can buy that shit on new products quality wise, are greener, and offer better performance. I'll take stereos for example. You can buy a used stereo on offerup that will absolutely shit on something like the homepod, soundbars or those retarded pill speakers. :cry but it's not "smart" and doesn't have Bluetooth :cry. Easily solved with dongles. In any event, I don't know why anyone would want a "smart" anything surveilling their house and collecting data for big corporations that is first routed to Indian tech centers where they do listen. "But it's cool and futuristic!"

[spurraider21]

There's so many used products you can buy that shit on new products quality wise, are greener, and offer better performance. I'll take stereos for example. You can buy a used stereo on offerup that will absolutely shit on something like the homepod, soundbars or those retarded pill speakers. :cry but it's not "smart" and doesn't have Bluetooth :cry. Easily solved with dongles. In any event, I don't know why anyone would want a "smart" anything surveilling their house and collecting data for big corporations that is first routed to Indian tech centers where they do listen. "But it's cool and futuristic!"
go trade in your phone for a Razr flip phone

[midnightpulp]

go trade in your phone for a Razr flip phone

Not sure I get the point here? Are you saying a product being "smart" is the selling point for something like homepod, so a vintage stereo won't do here? Like I said, you can make a vintage stereo smart with an Amazon Echo and a Bluetooth dongle.

Edit: Oh, you were referring to when I said I don't know why anyone would want a smart anything. I was mainly thinking of smart speakers and such when I typed that. Far as I know, smartphones don't listen to you like smart assistants do, so we hope:

https://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/is-your-smartphone-secretly-listening-to-you/

[midnightpulp]

That's what we all thought. We were clearly wrong. Globalizationwas much more hated than thought.

Trump's only broken clock moment here was taking a harder look at the Chinese. We really need to get off that teat. Yeah, manufacturing ain't coming home, but maybe we build up manufacturing in places like Central and South America (Honduras and Guatemala has made a lot of clothing in the past, IIRC). We already have some manufacturing base in Mexico with motor companies.

[ElNono]

Trump's only broken clock moment here was taking a harder look at the Chinese. We really need to get off that teat. Yeah, manufacturing ain't coming home, but maybe we build up manufacturing in places like Central and South America (Honduras and Guatemala has made a lot of clothing in the past, IIRC). We already have some manufacturing base in Mexico with motor companies.

Sure, diversifying sources makes business sense, but it's time to acknowledge you can't put the globalization and manufacturing genie back in the bottle. The US is simply non-competitive, no matter how much your leaders lie to you about it.

[vy65]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/963/karenimg.jpg

Would you like to speak with the manager?

[vy65]

There's so many used products you can buy that shit on new products quality wise, are greener, and offer better performance. I'll take stereos for example. You can buy a used stereo on offerup that will absolutely shit on something like the homepod, soundbars or those retarded pill speakers. :cry but it's not "smart" and doesn't have Bluetooth :cry. Easily solved with dongles. In any event, I don't know why anyone would want a "smart" anything surveilling their house and collecting data for big corporations that is first routed to Indian tech centers where they do listen. "But it's cool and futuristic!"

It's enough trouble just running your underneath-a-pizza-parlor child sex ring on its own, and then you bring the deep state in? No thank you ...

[vy65]

Someone needs to start an all time Boomer poster ranking ...

[pgardn]

Someone needs to start an all time Boomer poster ranking ...

1. Thread
2. Avante

[Monostradamus]

Thread is without a doubt the greatest Boomer poster here, if anything for the simple fact that he nutted up and took on the god damn Viet Cong like a fucking man, and didn’t pussy out and hide from his duty *cough* picnroll CosmicCowboy *cough*

[Spurminator]

You're actually posting advertising copy at me as "proof" of the low carbon footprint of the production of the iPhone? Nowhere in any of their copy do I see a breakdown of the environmental cost of the strip mining and battery production. How about this from an actual impartial source:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

8 fuckin times in 10 years

That relates to the projections that the manufacturer of digital devices will half of the carbon footprint of all transportation in 20 years, and that's not even factoring in the transportation of the goods themselves. But yeah, millennials, so green and aware.

Apple's dumb report probably just considers the footprint of manufacture at the factory alone, and doesn't factor in all the strip mining and such in order to create the batteries.

:lol Unless you believe the creation of a single battery creates a 38K ton carbon footprint, this doesn't really impact the comparison. You scoffed at 100 smartphones having the same footprint as a single Camaro. It's safe to say the data shows that's the case and then some. At scale, of course the number will be bigger. What's the comparative car battery production footprint at scale?



https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-popularity-teens-piper-jaffray-2018-4
https://fortune.com/2018/03/09/millennials-apple-brand-intimacy/

Android seems to sell better in the US per this graph, but teens and millennials cite Apple as their favorite brand. Perhaps their favorite Apple products are laptops and pads, but I think we can reasonably extrapolate they buy iPhones more than other generations.

It's not surprising that Apple would be their favorite brand among smartphones vs. the many various Android devices. It's like saying Bernie Sanders was the Democrat voter preference by plurality among 8 candidates therefore most Democrats are Bernie Sanders supporters. The proof is in the purchase, and Apple has a similar share of smartphone purchase across all ages.


"Compared to the demographics of the segment, Prius owners are much older and wealthier. Most are male (62% vs. 59% for the segment) with a median age of 65 years"

https://insideevs.com/news/319696/typical-chevy-volt-buyer-is-male-age-51/

"Nissan’s director of electric vehicle sales and marketing in North America, said the average age of LEAF buyers has dropped from a high of 53 years old last year to 51 years old this year." (from 2013).

This follows the fact that new car buyers skew much older. The average age for a car owner is 55.

This chart shows that only 2% of car owners were between the age of 20-29: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041145/us-car-owners-by-age-group/

Yet 10.5% of electric/hybrid owners are age 29 and under: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091674_electric-car-buyers-vs-hybrid-buyers-younger-wealthier-and-more-options

So 29-and-unders skew 5x higher for green car purchase.


:cry they didn't invent 18 wheelers :cry. (do millennials ever do anything wrong in your world?) But they sure as hell don't have a problem with those 18 wheelers and panel trucks bringing Amazon goodies to their doorsteps, do they?

Not unique to their generation either.

Like do you honestly think Amazon is the fault of millennials? When it launched, Gen X were the early adopters. Now everyone uses it, and honestly, it's pretty fucking awesome that you can order anything you want and have it delivered to your door in less than 2 days. You act like we're in some kind of awful dystopia where we should be longing for the days of driving to the Ace Hardware two towns away just to find out they don't have the right type of screws you need. :lol

And of course there's plenty I can find wrong with a population of 71 million. For every supposed hypocrisy you can find with Millennials, I can find similar or worse with their predecessors. The idea isn't to pardon any segment of society here (and honestly, I don't really have a huge dog in this hunt, but it's fun to argue about), I just think Millennials get a disproportionately bad rap in the Boomer media. Avocado Toast articles make great clickbait for old folks.

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) is without a doubt the greatest Boomer poster here, if anything for the simple fact that he nutted up and took on the god damn Viet Cong like a fucking man, and didn’t pussy out and hide from his duty *cough* picnroll (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52) CosmicCowboy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=207) *cough*

Came back, Jerkwater, USA. Protesting me. Spittin' on me.

King shit sheriff, gonna shave me dry, they drew first blood.

[midnightpulp]

:lol Unless you believe the creation of a single battery creates a 38K ton carbon footprint, this doesn't really impact the comparison. You scoffed at 100 smartphones having the same footprint as a single Camaro. It's safe to say the data shows that's the case and then some. At scale, of course the number will be bigger. What's the comparative car battery production footprint at scale?

You can keep spinning this point, but the fact remains that our collective digital device usage will be reach half of the emissions of the entire transportation industry in total. And you act like millennials are all bus riding, train riding, and EV driving people when many do drive gas guzzlers, in addition to buying a new smartphone every year. What's my contention here? Many of these digital devices that are manufactured serve no fuckin' purpose other than being tech toys to show off on youtube unboxing videos. "Stop hating things I don't like!" I don't hate toys, but if we're really concerned about the environment, we'd curb our collective appetite for the latest smartphone and high def television (8K is absolutely useless at living room screen sizes at typical view distances). Millennials sure love to shake their fists at boomers for driving around an SUV, but don't check their rabid consumption of useless toys.



It's not surprising that Apple would be their favorite brand among smartphones vs. the many various Android devices. It's like saying Bernie Sanders was the Democrat voter preference by plurality among 8 candidates therefore most Democrats are Bernie Sanders supporters. The proof is in the purchase, and Apple has a similar share of smartphone purchase across all ages.

The proof isn't in the purchase because it's not broken down by age group. All you and I can do is guess. And it doesn't really matter. Millennials are buying either the iPhone or Samsung every year.



This follows the fact that new car buyers skew much older. The average age for a car owner is 55.

Now you're deflecting with a non-sequitur data point. You claimed millennials were the early adopters of EVs and hybrids, while boomers laughed at them from their Dodge Rams. That opinion was obviously wrong, since older generations were actually the first adopters.


Like do you honestly think Amazon is the fault of millennials? When it launched, Gen X were the early adopters. Now everyone uses it, and honestly, it's pretty fucking awesome that you can order anything you want and have it delivered to your door in less than 2 days. You act like we're in some kind of awful dystopia where we should be longing for the days of driving to the Ace Hardware two towns away just to find out they don't have the right type of screws you need. :lol

My criticism re: Amazon is because millennials complain about corporate monopolies, desire to support "morally upstanding" businesses, small retail chains and independent stores, yet can't be tasked with driving to the Ace Hardware two towns away to support a relatively local brick-and-mortar. I'm not framing this as an all or nothing scenario. If you can't find what you need locally, yeah, click on Prime. If you can, support the local store that has it, even if it cost a little bit more and pulls you away from Instagram for 20 minutes. And to be fair, all demographics have been wooed by Amazon, so my complaints aren't solely directed at millennials.


And of course there's plenty I can find wrong with a population of 71 million. For every supposed hypocrisy you can find with Millennials, I can find similar or worse with their predecessors. The idea isn't to pardon any segment of society here (and honestly, I don't really have a huge dog in this hunt, but it's fun to argue about), I just think Millennials get a disproportionately bad rap in the Boomer media. Avocado Toast articles make great clickbait for old folks.

Yes. Boomer haters exercise this method, as well. And "boomers ruined the world and drove up my student loans" doesn't make great click bait for millennials? To kind of end this debate, I think the generational tag is rather stupid anyway. Someone born in 46 and 64 are technically both boomers, but in my experience, the oldest boomers are more like Gen Xers in their cultural tastes and general attitude than someone born in '46. The oldest millennials are quite different from a millennials born in '98. That's why "blame" should be targeted toward individuals and not groups. I'm talking shit about millennials, but they aren't a hivemind. There's many who aren't so fascinated with the latest digital tech and drive lifted Dodge Rams.

[midnightpulp]

It's enough trouble just running your underneath-a-pizza-parlor child sex ring on its own, and then you bring the deep state in? No thank you ...

???

Smart speakers collect your data. How do you think targeted advertising works and how the algorithm "learns?" Why the Indian tech centers? That data needs to be scrubbed so the algorithm can be trained with clean data (garbage in/garbage out). You don't just hit compile and Alexa "comes to life" and starts recommending movies to you based on your taste.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/privacy-at-stake-amazon-could-be-eavesdropping-on-user-conversations-to-make-alexa-smarter/articleshow/71393303.cms?from=mdr

Don't lump me in with conspiracy theorists. This isn't any of that. This is literally how your favorite "smart" tech toys work.

[vy65]

???

Smart speakers collect your data. How do you think targeted advertising works and how the algorithm "learns?" Why the Indian tech centers? That data needs to be scrubbed so the algorithm can be trained with clean data (garbage in/garbage out). You don't just hit compile and Alexa "comes to life" and starts recommending movies to you based on your taste.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/privacy-at-stake-amazon-could-be-eavesdropping-on-user-conversations-to-make-alexa-smarter/articleshow/71393303.cms?from=mdr

Don't lump me in with conspiracy theorists. This isn't any of that. This is literally how your favorite "smart" tech toys work.

Hyperbole. I get that some people have privacy concerns. Personally, I don't give a shit.

[Monostradamus]

You can keep spinning this point, but the fact remains that our collective digital device usage will be reach half of the emissions of the entire transportation industry in total. And you act like millennials are all bus riding, train riding, and EV driving people when many do drive gas guzzlers, in addition to buying a new smartphone every year. What's my contention here? Many of these digital devices that are manufactured serve no fuckin' purpose other than being tech toys to show off on youtube unboxing videos. "Stop hating things I don't like!" I don't hate toys, but if we're really concerned about the environment, we'd curb our collective appetite for the latest smartphone and high def television (8K is absolutely useless at living room screen sizes at typical view distances). Millennials sure love to shake their fists at boomers for driving around an SUV, but don't check their rabid consumption of useless toys.




The proof isn't in the purchase because it's not broken down by age group. All you and I can do is guess. And it doesn't really matter. Millennials are buying either the iPhone or Samsung every year.




Now you're deflecting with a non-sequitur data point. You claimed millennials were the early adopters of EVs and hybrids, while boomers laughed at them from their Dodge Rams. That opinion was obviously wrong, since older generations were actually the first adopters.



My criticism re: Amazon is because millennials complain about corporate monopolies, desire to support "morally upstanding" businesses, small retail chains and independent stores, yet can't be tasked with driving to the Ace Hardware two towns away to support a relatively local brick-and-mortar. I'm not framing this as an all or nothing scenario. If you can't find what you need locally, yeah, click on Prime. If you can, support the local store that has it, even if it cost a little bit more and pulls you away from Instagram for 20 minutes. And to be fair, all demographics have been wooed by Amazon, so my complaints aren't solely directed at millennials.



Yes. Boomer haters exercise this method, as well. And "boomers ruined the world and drove up my student loans" doesn't make great click bait for millennials? To kind of end this debate, I think the generational tag is rather stupid anyway. Someone born in 46 and 64 are technically both boomers, but in my experience, the oldest boomers are more like Gen Xers in their cultural tastes and general attitude than someone born in '46. The oldest millennials are quite different from a millennials born in '98. That's why "blame" should be targeted toward individuals and not groups. I'm talking shit about millennials, but they aren't a hivemind. There's many who aren't so fascinated with the latest digital tech and drive lifted Dodge Rams.
:lmao this guy reeeeaaaaalllllly fuckin hates millennials

[midnightpulp]

Hyperbole. I get that some people have privacy concerns. Personally, I don't give a shit.

:lol it's not hyperbole. Data scrubbers listen to millions of hours of conversations, labeled them (e.g. "cleaned them"), and used that data to better train the algorithm. Personally, I don't want to be folded into Amazon's echo system like that, basically existing as market research (and training data) for their products and services. The less corporation in our lives, the better.

[midnightpulp]

:lmao this guy reeeeaaaaalllllly fuckin hates millennials

Not really. They're pretty shitty in general, though, more so the millennials born post-90ish. Anyone who was raised on the Internet is bound to be a retard to some degree.

[Monostradamus]

:lol it's not hyperbole. Data scrubbers listen to millions of hours of conversations, labeled them (e.g. "cleaned them"), and used that data to better train the algorithm. Personally, I don't want to be folded into Amazon's echo system like that, basically existing as market research (and training data) for their products and services. The less corporation in our lives, the better.
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[midnightpulp]

Yeah, you have a smart speaker :lmao

[midnightpulp]

"Alexa, what time is Avengers: End Game, and what is the coolest new Thanos meme I can share on twitter?"

[Monostradamus]

Smart speakers aren’t used by millennials, they’re what millennials give to their grandparents for Christmas.

Mr “I’m not a Boomer I just share all their thoughts and ideologies” probaby got one a couple months ago :lol

[Monostradamus]

When’s the last time an Amazon Echo ad targeted millennials? It’s always some middle aged couple with arthritis who can’t type on a smartphone keyboard in those commercials.

[Spurminator]

You can keep spinning this point, but the fact remains that our collective digital device usage will be reach half of the emissions of the entire transportation industry in total. And you act like millennials are all bus riding, train riding, and EV driving people when many do drive gas guzzlers, in addition to buying a new smartphone every year. What's my contention here? Many of these digital devices that are manufactured serve no fuckin' purpose other than being tech toys to show off on youtube unboxing videos. "Stop hating things I don't like!" I don't hate toys, but if we're really concerned about the environment, we'd curb our collective appetite for the latest smartphone and high def television (8K is absolutely useless at living room screen sizes at typical view distances). Millennials sure love to shake their fists at boomers for driving around an SUV, but don't check their rabid consumption of useless toys.

No generation is "all" anything. It's silly to expect universal behavior among an entire age group. All you can really compare are relative percentages.

And what Millennials are buying 8K Televisions? :lol Man caves are for 50+ year olds.


The proof isn't in the purchase because it's not broken down by age group. All you and I can do is guess. And it doesn't really matter. Millennials are buying either the iPhone or Samsung every year.

And so are other generations. iPhone's share among Millenials is not substantially higher than other age groups.
http://www.fluentco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Fluent2_DevicesandDemographics_2016.pdf


Now you're deflecting with a non-sequitur data point. You claimed millennials were the early adopters of EVs and hybrids, while boomers laughed at them from their Dodge Rams. That opinion was obviously wrong, since older generations were actually the first adopters.

More Boomers buy cars, so more hybrids are going to be bought by Boomers. Gross sales aren't as relevant as percent sales. Hybrids and electrics were marketed to young people for a reason. Car buyers had to believe they were cool, and the way to do that is to get enough young people to buy them.

Millennials made it okay to buy an electric car.


My criticism re: Amazon is because millennials complain about corporate monopolies, desire to support "morally upstanding" businesses, small retail chains and independent stores, yet can't be tasked with driving to the Ace Hardware two towns away to support a relatively local brick-and-mortar. I'm not framing this as an all or nothing scenario. If you can't find what you need locally, yeah, click on Prime. If you can, support the local store that has it, even if it cost a little bit more and pulls you away from Instagram for 20 minutes. And to be fair, all demographics have been wooed by Amazon, so my complaints aren't solely directed at millennials.

This is all just conjecture about Millennial behavior and beliefs. Being anti-monopoly isn't any more uniquely Millennial than shopping on Amazon is. Amazon's rise is bigger than any one generation can take credit/blame for. It's a massive cultural shift in shopping behavior brought on by a massive cultural shift in info and access (the internet.) And if we're being honest, the death knell on small businesses wasn't struck by Amazon... it started with Walmart in the 90's.


Yes. Boomer haters exercise this method, as well. And "boomers ruined the world and drove up my student loans" doesn't make great click bait for millennials? To kind of end this debate, I think the generational tag is rather stupid anyway. Someone born in 46 and 64 are technically both boomers, but in my experience, the oldest boomers are more like Gen Xers in their cultural tastes and general attitude than someone born in '46. The oldest millennials are quite different from a millennials born in '98. That's why "blame" should be targeted toward individuals and not groups. I'm talking shit about millennials, but they aren't a hivemind. There's many who aren't so fascinated with the latest digital tech and drive lifted Dodge Rams.

:bobo

[midnightpulp]

Smart speakers aren’t used by millennials, they’re what millennials give to their grandparents for Christmas.

Mr “I’m not a Boomer I just share all their thoughts and ideologies” probaby got one a couple months ago :lol

Sure.

"As of February 2018, the Amazon Echo smart speaker had an ownership rate of 24 percent among Americans between 18 and 29 years old. The ownership rate decreases among older demographic – only ten percent of Americans between 55 to 64 years old owned the device."

And....https://imgur.com/a/Znt80P4

[vy65]

:lol it's not hyperbole. Data scrubbers listen to millions of hours of conversations, labeled them (e.g. "cleaned them"), and used that data to better train the algorithm. Personally, I don't want to be folded into Amazon's echo system like that, basically existing as market research (and training data) for their products and services. The less corporation in our lives, the better.

Hyperbole was in reference to my comment, but it also seems like you got boxes full of Pepe ...

[Monostradamus]

Sure.

"As of February 2018, the Amazon Echo smart speaker had an ownership rate of 24 percent among Americans between 18 and 29 years old. The ownership rate decreases among older demographic – only ten percent of Americans between 55 to 64 years old owned the device."

And....https://imgur.com/a/Znt80P4
Not citing sources like a true Boomer :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

[midnightpulp]

Hyperbole was in reference to my comment, but it also seems like you got boxes full of Pepe ...

"He mentions privacy and Indians listening and talks about evil corporations so he must be an alt-right conspiracy."

No. Nowhere did I fuckin' claim nor imply that I think Amazon is going to turn into OCP (Robocop reference) and use their data on me for kind of nefarious corporate purpose. It's a manner of principle that I'm not going to provide data (which makes their corporation more money) for free just so I don't have to walk 3 feet to turn the fuckin' lights off or ask Alexa what time Marvel Movie #74 is playing.

"But your probably providing data for Spurtalk right now!" Not a concern, because this is a "mom and pop" site and I don't mind them making whatever off the targeted advertisements I see.

[midnightpulp]

Not citing sources like a true Boomer :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

https://www.statista.com/statistics/798223/us-smart-speaker-ownership-by-age/

Seriously, though. Why so testy in my criticism of millennials? Something triggered it, and it just wasn't references to avocado toast or "me not being fair to other generations since they do what millennials do to :cry." So you don't own a smart speaker. Was it my "shitty Marvel movies" line? Don't you like those movies? Apologize, bro. I just think they are complete dogshit.

[DMC]

I actually like the Marvel movies.

[Monostradamus]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/798223/us-smart-speaker-ownership-by-age/

Seriously, though. Why so testy in my criticism of millennials? Something triggered it, and it just wasn't references to avocado toast or "me not being fair to other generations since they do what millennials do to :cry." So you don't own a smart speaker. Was it my "shitty Marvel movies" line? Don't you like those movies? Apologize, bro. I just think they are complete dogshit.
Lukewarm to Marvel movies. Don’t love them or hate them. It’s probably your complete lack of self awareness mixed with pretentious contrarianism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj3mQuvU_w8

[spurraider21]

why are people mad about targeted advertising? i for one would rather see ads for sports or new video games rather than car insurance or feminine hygiene products

:cry but i dont want amazon to know what my interests are :cry

who the fuck cares? how does it impact your life?

[vy65]

"He mentions privacy and Indians listening and talks about evil corporations so he must be an alt-right conspiracy."

No. Nowhere did I fuckin' claim nor imply that I think Amazon is going to turn into OCP (Robocop reference) and use their data on me for kind of nefarious corporate purpose. It's a manner of principle that I'm not going to provide data (which makes their corporation more money) for free just so I don't have to walk 3 feet to turn the fuckin' lights off or ask Alexa what time Marvel Movie #74 is playing.

"But your probably providing data for Spurtalk right now!" Not a concern, because this is a "mom and pop" site and I don't mind them making whatever off the targeted advertisements I see.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/XBA2sj2g0g0ZOWEnpI/giphy.gif

[Monostradamus]

“Ooooh look at me! I’m a Millennial aged person who hates those damn Millennials and their avocado toast and love of current pop culture (which obviously isn’t as good as the pop culture I grew up with!) and wish they’d stop being lazy and get off the Instagrams and go vote or pour concrete like a real adult! If they want to change the world they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get off the Tweeters and go take down billion dollar corporations! They could all navigate global diplomacy to pass climate change legislation if they wanted to, but they’re just too damn lazy sitting around on Snapchatter all day!”

[midnightpulp]

Lukewarm to Marvel movies. Don’t love them or hate them. It’s probably your complete lack of self awareness mixed with pretentious contrarianism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj3mQuvU_w8

:lol how does disliking Marvel movies translate to a "complete lack of self-awareness?" Now you're really seething for some inexplicable reason. :madrun He has different tastes, he must be a self-absorbed contrarian :madrun. I like plenty of popcorn movies, Marvel movies aren't any of them (ok, first Antman was clever, with some neat sight gags and a decent heist plot).

[midnightpulp]

“Ooooh look at me! I’m a Millennial aged person who hates those damn Millennials and their avocado toast and love of current pop culture (which obviously isn’t as good as the pop culture I grew up with!) and wish they’d stop being lazy and get off the Instagrams and go vote or pour concrete like a real adult! If they want to change the world they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get off the Tweeters and go take down billion dollar corporations! They could all navigate global diplomacy to pass climate change legiation if they wanted to, but they’re just too damn lazy sitting around on Snapchatter all day!”

Yep. But keep excusing them because :cry they didn't have a candidate they c-c-c-c-could relate to :cry

which obviously isn’t as good as the pop culture I grew up with!

Millennial pop culture is the pop culture I grew up with. Millennial pop culture is more than Marvel Movies and Pokémon Go.

[Will Hunting]

“Ooooh look at me! I’m a Millennial aged person who hates those damn Millennials and their avocado toast and love of current pop culture (which obviously isn’t as good as the pop culture I grew up with!) and wish they’d stop being lazy and get off the Instagrams and go vote or pour concrete like a real adult! If they want to change the world they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get off the Tweeters and go take down billion dollar corporations! They could all navigate global diplomacy to pass climate change legislation if they wanted to, but they’re just too damn lazy sitting around on Snapchatter all day!”
:cry if only those damn millennials would vote to give Chuck Schumer Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden more power :cry

:cry those 3 would totally make a real difference :cry

[Monostradamus]

“If Millennials really want change, they’ll participate more in the shitty flawed system that got them into this mess!”

[midnightpulp]

why are people mad about targeted advertising? i for one would rather see ads for sports or new video games rather than car insurance or feminine hygiene products

:cry but i dont want amazon to know what my interests are :cry

who the fuck cares? how does it impact your life?

Spurstalk hits me with plenty of targeted ads, and I'm not mad about it. The less Amazon in my life the better because I think they are a shitheel company. Personal opinion, of course.

[FrostKing]

Current gen angry they can't just cancel Coronavirus

[Monostradamus]

Current gen angry they can't just cancel Coronavirus
I hope someone coughs in your face tomorrow.

[DMC]

why are people mad about targeted advertising? i for one would rather see ads for sports or new video games rather than car insurance or feminine hygiene products

:cry but i dont want amazon to know what my interests are :cry

who the fuck cares? how does it impact your life?
Or law firms, amirite?

[DMC]

I hope someone coughs in your face tomorrow.

A black transexual.

[spurraider21]

Spurstalk hits me with plenty of targeted ads, and I'm not mad about it. The less Amazon in my life the better because I think they are a shitheel company. Personal opinion, of course.
then you should be glad they're wasting money having somebody comb through shit when you're not going to reward them for it

[spurraider21]

Or law firms, amirite?
derp level humor

[midnightpulp]

:cry if only those damn millennials would vote to give Chuck Schumer Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden more power :cry

:cry those 3 would totally make a real difference :cry

You're going to have to deal with that fact that you might never get your "ideal" presidential candidate as long as you live. As I've explained, the best you can do is vote for the lesser of two evils. The candidates that are likely to connect with you are local politicians at the city and state levels. I think the disagreement we have here is that you don't see much of difference between Trump and Hillary, while I think Trump is about 5 notches up on the "evil scale" vs. Hillary.

Maybe millennials sat around and said, "Fuck it. Trump vs. Clinton, two assholes not worth my time," while I saw it as keeping that moron out of office by any means. I'm not claiming I was right. We'll never know. Maybe Clinton would've even been worse. But that's why the millennial non-turnout was likely more important to me than to you.

[midnightpulp]

then you should be glad they're wasting money having somebody comb through shit when you're not going to reward them for it

Not really. I'm perfectly capable of researching products on my own. I don't mind the targeted ads on here if it helps out the site.

[midnightpulp]

“If Millennials really want change, they’ll participate more in the shitty flawed system that got them into this mess!”

IIRC, you're 1982, right. The system has always been flawed. You vote in '00? Remember that shitshow and the fallout? I think this is a different world if Gore won instead of that fuckhead Bush. I don't know the solution other than to keep voting for the "less flawed" parts of the system so we can at least minimize the damage. And here's the rub, you have 50 percent of the "other side," in all age groups, thinking that voting in people like Trump minimizes the damage relative to their worldview. So what's the solution?

I honestly think the US needs to return to some kind of hard states rights framework. For example, California and Nebraska just have two different cultures and mentalities that require different political systems (i.e. Bernie won California). This country is too vast and too culturally different for the E Plurbis Unum ideal to really flourish, sad to say.

[DMC]

derp level humor

Did the letter come with that stick you have up your ass?

[Will Hunting]

You're going to have to deal with that fact that you might never get your "ideal" presidential candidate as long as you live. As I've explained, the best you can do is vote for the lesser of two evils. The candidates that are likely to connect with you are local politicians at the city and state levels. I think the disagreement we have here is that you don't see much of difference between Trump and Hillary, while I think Trump is about 5 notches up on the "evil scale" vs. Hillary.

Maybe millennials sat around and said, "Fuck it. Trump vs. Clinton, two assholes not worth my time," while I saw it as keeping that moron out of office by any means. I'm not claiming I was right. We'll never know. Maybe Clinton would've even been worse. But that's why the millennial non-turnout was likely more important to me than to you.
You’re generalizing. I voted for Clinton but think she would have only been better than Trump on SCOTUS picks. On everything else I think she would have been just as bad or even worse. She’d probably have us in a full blown, boots on the ground war with Iran right now.

My overall point is that older generations are more naive about how grotesquely fucked up our system is when the only two choices for president and Trump and Hillary Clinton.

[Will Hunting]

IIRC, you're 1982, right. The system has always been flawed. You vote in '00? Remember that shitshow and the fallout? I think this is a different world if Gore won instead of that fuckhead Bush. I don't know the solution other than to keep voting for the "less flawed" parts of the system so we can at least minimize the damage. And here's the rub, you have 50 percent of the "other side," in all age groups, thinking that voting in people like Trump minimizes the damage relative to their worldview. So what's the solution?

I honestly think the US needs to return to some kind of hard states rights framework. For example, California and Nebraska just have two different cultures and mentalities that require different political systems (i.e. Bernie won California). This country is too vast and too culturally different for the E Plurbis Unum ideal to really flourish, sad to say.
I think the long term solution is the Sanders and AOCs of the world breaking off and forming their own political party, which is why I think there’s an argument to be made that not supporting Biden helps - it makes the Democratic Parry as it currently is look weaker.

[Will Hunting]

The War in Iraq might be the single biggest fuck up in American politics over the last 20 years, but the party that’s supposed to be the anti-war party can’t even give us a candidate who was against it. Clinton and Biden were both fervent supporters of the war.

:cry if only those god damn lazy millennials would only show up and vote for these pro-war neoconservative Democrats :cry

[DMC]

You’re generalizing. I voted for Clinton but think she would have only been better than Trump on SCOTUS picks. On everything else I think she would have been just as bad or even worse. She’d probably have us in a full blown, boots on the ground war with Iran right now.

My overall point is that older generations are more naive about how grotesquely fucked up our system is when the only two choices for president and Trump and Hillary Clinton.

That system resides in the house and senate, as they would not work with a 3rd party or a real progressive.

Of course the parties have their own inner cliques that are basically impenetrable.

[midnightpulp]

The War in Iraq might be the single biggest fuck up in American politics over the last 20 years, but the party that’s supposed to be the anti-war party can’t even give us a candidate who was against it. Clinton and Biden were both fervent supporters of the war.

:cry if only those god damn lazy millennials would only show up and vote for these pro-war neoconservative Democrats :cry

Certainly, but Trump was doing a lot of sabre rattling himself towards Iran, and things got real testy there for a minute. I saw him as basically a different breed of neocon who courted nationalists. I didn't believe anything he said about being a non-interventionist. I think they're would've boots on the ground somewhere if the stock market stagnated under him (prior to Corona).


if only those god damn lazy millennials would only show up and vote for these pro-war neoconservative Democrats

But you made a judgment call and went out and voted for Clinton, so you're obviously aware of the lesser evils strategy, which is unfortunately all we can do most of the time. That's why I figured Trump had no fuckin' chance, because I saw in him a guy whose rhetoric and attitude (and policy) would revolt the youth to the point that they would pretty much vote for anyone over him, and would flood the polls to keep it from happening. And I guess they did in some fashion, just not in the right states (another fuckin' flaw in the system).

[midnightpulp]

You’re generalizing. I voted for Clinton but think she would have only been better than Trump on SCOTUS picks. On everything else I think she would have been just as bad or even worse. She’d probably have us in a full blown, boots on the ground war with Iran right now.

My overall point is that older generations are more naive about how grotesquely fucked up our system is when the only two choices for president and Trump and Hillary Clinton.

On this point, I think they're complacent. I remember this book called "The Greening of America" written in 69 or 70 that exalted the young generation of the day (Boomers/Hippies) as the generation who would bring about real change and remake America from a dog-eat-dog capitalist society into one large socialist commune. Check out the blurb:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/TheGreeningOfAmerica-Cover.jpg

And theeeen, boomers became yuppies and that was all she wrote. Can we expect the same progression/regression from millennials (or even Xers)? Human nature isn't predictable and money does change people.