Der Fuhrer Cuomo Says Eighty Percent Of New Yorkers Will Get The Virus

[Spurtacular]

Don't worry, WReck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412). Dude's selling snake oil.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/574277/new-york-cuomo-slams-groups-mnuchin-warns-12-weeks/

[Winehole23]

That's not wildly out of line with the CDC upper end estimate of nationwide infection -- 70%

The more arresting detail was Mnuchin's warning about the duration of the lockdown



Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin warned that the lockdown, currently impacting 80 million people across the country, could last 12 weeks.

[pgardn]

Don't worry, WReck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412). Dude's selling snake oil.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/574277/new-york-cuomo-slams-groups-mnuchin-warns-12-weeks/

They live on top of each other in NYC
What a huge surprise.
Your compassion just knowing his figures are wrong is noted.

[midnightpulp]

That's not wildly out of line with the CDC upper end estimate of nationwide infection -- 70%

The more arresting detail was Mnuchin's warning about the duration of the lockdown

The problem with exponential models:


There are several reasons for this, according to Levitt. “In exponential growth models, you assume that new people can be infected every day, because you keep meeting new people. But, if you consider your own social circle, you basically meet the same people every day. You can meet new people on public transportation, for example; but even on the bus, after some time most passengers will either be infected or immune.”

https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3800632,00.html

As a blessing in disguise, the Diamond Princess cruise ship situation gave us the perfect experiment. And the infection rate was only 20 percent.

[Spurtacular]

The problem with exponential models:

Leftists will always love their fuzzy math that creates artificial calamities.

[Spurtacular]

As a blessing in disguise, the Diamond Princess cruise ship situation gave us the perfect experiment. And the infection rate was only 20 percent.


They live on top of each other in NYC

:lmao Scientist Cuck

[Winehole23]

The problem with exponential models:



https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3800632,00.html

As a blessing in disguise, the Diamond Princess cruise ship situation gave us the perfect experiment. And the infection rate was only 20 percent.This is generalizable to the rest of the country in your view? I can see the plausibility of what you're saying, but are you quite sure the math works that way?

Being that COVID-19 has already outstripped the capacity of Italy's health care system to treat all the patients and is about to do the same to Spain, isn't discussing true rates of infection and mortality a bit like arguing how many angels can stand on the head of a pin?

We already know this diaease can overmatch health care delivery, and we can't rule out that it will happen here. It's already happening in Seattle and NYC.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Der Fuhrer? More like Comrade Stalin tbh

[spurraider21]

I appreciate the work mid has been putting in but I’m generally skeptical of armchair experts explaining why their logic and common sense trumps what the experts are saying... or that they are seeing something ALL the experts are missing

i hope he’s right though

[Spurtacular]

I appreciate the work mid has been putting in but I’m generally skeptical of armchair experts explaining why their logic and common sense trumps what the experts are saying... or that they are seeing something ALL the experts are missing

i hope he’s right though

You really think data isn't being cherry picked, Lite? You think it's a grand coincidence that everything in just about every state got shut down on the same day?

[pgardn]

:lmao Scientist Cuck

The assumption that NYC was contained like a cruise ship is ridiculous.
People DO make overlaps in Who they see especially when one person can virtually bomb a new area.
And Sorry, it does nothing to explain Northern Italy.
Nothing.

Too much assuming no one moves between groups when no one knows what is going wrong. We also don’t know how the viral output by those infected peaks and dies off before they show symptoms, while they show symptoms and after they are gone as it appears to vary with age at present. (This is huge in transmission and is not covered in a small sample size). There are many articles pointing out the limitations of the cruise ship as a model.

Quit trying to pretend you understand things you don’t.

[midnightpulp]

I appreciate the work mid has been putting in but I’m generally skeptical of armchair experts explaining why their logic and common sense trumps what the experts are saying... or that they are seeing something ALL the experts are missing

i hope he’s right though

I'm quoting the experts. I'm just putting their conclusions together. Furthermore, there isn't a neat consensus among all experts. CDC isn't the only authority here.

[midnightpulp]

This is generalizable to the rest of the country in your view? I can see the plausibility of what you're saying, but are you quite sure the math works that way?

Being that COVID-19 has already outstripped the capacity of Italy's health care system to treat all the patients and is about to do the same to Spain, isn't discussing true rates of infection and mortality a bit like arguing how many angels can stand on the head of a pin?

We already know this diaease can overmatch health care delivery, and we can't rule out that it will happen here. It's already happening in Seattle and NYC.

Levitt seems to think so. Based on exponential modeling from the initial outbreak in China, all of the world should've been infected in 90 days. But as he states, that exponential growth can't continue indefinitely because we don't meet new people every day, we're taking precautions to limit spread, and, though this is speculation, some people might be naturally immune and/or the virus has a tougher time infecting them.

[Winehole23]

I'm quoting the experts. I'm just putting their conclusions together. Furthermore, there isn't a neat consensus among all experts. CDC isn't the only authority here.

Can you give us some idea of who has influenced your thinking here?

[Winehole23]

Levitt seems to think so. Based on exponential modeling from the initial outbreak in China, all of the world should've been infected in 90 days. But as he states, that exponential growth can't continue indefinitely because we don't meet new people every day, we're taking precautions to limit spread, and, though this is speculation, some people might be naturally immune and/or the virus has a tougher time infecting them.And who has been promulgating the simplistic exponential method of estimation? All the experts except Leavitt?

I don't believe I was -- the range of the CDC estimate is quite wide, 40%-70%. For a novel pathogen, it makes sense that estimates will vary widely based on spotty information.

For example, had I taken the lower end of the CDC's estimate, 40%, woild that really be so out of whack contextually with the case you cited?

[pgardn]

I'm quoting the experts. I'm just putting their conclusions together. Furthermore, there isn't a neat consensus among all experts. CDC isn't the only authority here.

There is a lot of discussion on this being the perfect experiment, like a Petri dish.
Almost nothing in biology is the perfect experiment. Way too many variables to compare.
Im not saying Cuomo is correct, I’m saying we already have other situations that appear to show a very high rate of infection. And this is where math model makers get into trouble.

The cruise ship was important because we have a trapped group we can follow closely. It does not mean it applies to mobile people in a crowded city. The mobility factor is underestimated in infecting an brand new uninfected population imo.
Not to mention we may have different strains on our hands now that might not have been on the cruise ship but become rapidly different in a large population. So much more as well.

[DMC]

There's some truths here and some falsehoods, and a lot of bullshit.

We are getting some facts from the CDC. We aren't getting all the variables so we cannot solve the equation. Either they don't care to inform us because of resources/time, or they have been instructed to not provide the information for some reason.

We keep seeing the number of infected increase while the recoveries stay at zero in the US. Why? The perhaps unintended consequence is that all people see is the bad, no one sees the good (that the overwhelmingly large percentage of people who contract this virus will recover in a few days, and that's the ones who have symptoms). This in turn leads to all the hand wringing and bleak outlooks you see here and elsewhere.

So we have 25-30K infections or so, how many recoveries? Surely someone who was diagnosed weeks ago has recovered, otherwise what's up with all the "advice from a recovered blah blah blah in Florida" nonsense?

[midnightpulp]

Can you give us some idea of who has influenced your thinking here?

Chart from John Hopkins. You'll see that daily percentage increases in cases in decreasing, and this is despite there being more testing. Exponential growth means a 100 percent increase again and again and again until everyone is infected.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/0_8rcyCr21ElN_Q28v.png?itok=5EY15fSK

That said, yes, everyone/majority will get infected by this disease. We've all had the common cold and flu, but it'll probably take years. But I'm doubtful it's going to happen in 6-12 month time frame.

Covid-19 isn't THAT transmissible.


From the CDC’s study on transmission in China and Princess Cruise outbreak -
A growing body of evidence indicates that COVID-19 transmission is facilitated in confined settings; for example, a large cluster (634 confirmed cases) of COVID-19 secondary infections occurred aboard a cruise ship in Japan, representing about one fifth of the persons aboard who were tested for the virus. This finding indicates the high transmissibility of
COVID-19 in enclosed spaces

Dr. Paul Auwaerter, the Clinical Director for the Division of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine echoes this finding,
“If you have a COVID-19 patient in your household, your risk of developing the infection is about 10%….If you were casually exposed to the virus in the workplace (e.g., you were not locked up in conference room for six hours with someone who was infected [like a hospital]), your chance of infection is about 0.5%”

That's a pretty low number that will guard against a "runaway scenario." There's certain areas prone to be runaway, like New York, because they're forced into more enclosed spaces due to population density and much more reliance on mass transit, but most of the country isn't built like New York.

Then there's the prospect of warmer weather slowing virality down, which will further reduce the probability of a runaway scenario. Sure you already saw my post, but here's the findings from the University of Maryland.

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2020/Researchers-Predict-Potential-Spread-and-Seasonality-for-COVID-19-Based-on-Climate-Where-Virus-Appears-to-Thrive.html

That said, yes, places like New York are particularly vulnerable. They check all the boxes. High pop density, mass transit system, climate conducive to spread (remember, their flu transmission rate is 4.2x higher than Texas and California), probably resemble Italy to an extent where multiple generations of family live under the same roof, especially Italian Americans and such.

And yeah, even ideal areas where the virus won't spread much might get overwhelmed, but it'll be because of an insufficient healthcare system. The scenario I don't buy is 200 million infected and 1 million dead in a year. This is a stronger flu on top of the regular flu, and that is a problem in of itself.

[Blake]

You really think data isn't being cherry picked, Lite? You think it's a grand coincidence that everything in just about every state got shut down on the same day?

Conspiracy derp

[Spurtacular]

Conspiracy derp

What percent of NY will become infected?

[Blake]

There's some truths here and some falsehoods, and a lot of bullshit.

First timer to the forum? Welcome.

[Winehole23]

Chart from John Hopkins. You'll see that daily percentage increases in cases in decreasing, and this is despite there being more testing. Exponential growth means a 100 percent increase again and again and again until everyone is infected.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/0_8rcyCr21ElN_Q28v.png?itok=5EY15fSK

That said, yes, everyone/majority will get infected by this disease. We've all had the common cold and flu, but it'll probably take years. But I'm doubtful it's going to happen in 6-12 month time frame.

Covid-19 isn't THAT transmissible.



That's a pretty low number that will guard against a "runaway scenario." There's certain areas prone to be runaway, like New York, because they're forced into more enclosed spaces due to population density and much more reliance on mass transit, but most of the country isn't built like New York.

Then there's the prospect of warmer weather slowing virality down, which will further reduce the probability of a runaway scenario. Sure you already saw my post, but here's the findings from the University of Maryland.

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2020/Researchers-Predict-Potential-Spread-and-Seasonality-for-COVID-19-Based-on-Climate-Where-Virus-Appears-to-Thrive.html

That said, yes, places like New York are particularly vulnerable. They check all the boxes. High pop density, mass transit system, climate conducive to spread (remember, their flu transmission rate is 4.2x higher than Texas and California), probably resemble Italy to an extent where multiple generations of family live under the same roof, especially Italian Americans and such.

And yeah, even ideal areas where the virus won't spread much might get overwhelmed, but it'll be because of an insufficient healthcare system. The scenario I don't buy is 200 million infected and 1 million dead in a year. This is a stronger flu on top of the regular flu, and that is a problem in of itself.Well, I hope you're right in all.your interpolations and surmises about COVID-19. It's very sanguine to take the results of early studies as settled science.

[Blake]

What percent of NY will become infected?

Oh hey a goal post move. Back to the hur dur with you.

[ElNono]

There's some truths here and some falsehoods, and a lot of bullshit.

We are getting some facts from the CDC. We aren't getting all the variables so we cannot solve the equation. Either they don't care to inform us because of resources/time, or they have been instructed to not provide the information for some reason.

We keep seeing the number of infected increase while the recoveries stay at zero in the US. Why? The perhaps unintended consequence is that all people see is the bad, no one sees the good (that the overwhelmingly large percentage of people who contract this virus will recover in a few days, and that's the ones who have symptoms). This in turn leads to all the hand wringing and bleak outlooks you see here and elsewhere.

So we have 25-30K infections or so, how many recoveries? Surely someone who was diagnosed weeks ago has recovered, otherwise what's up with all the "advice from a recovered blah blah blah in Florida" nonsense?

I think it's safe to say we're not tracking recoveries. 178 on record sounds especially low. However, I don't necessarily think right at this moment that's due to anything nefarious. It takes actual tests, sometimes more than one to re-check and assert a recovery. It was only a week ago where our testing capacity was absolutely dismal.

On top of that, we had record number of new cases today (5K), which I suspect is only a very minimal amount of the whole amount of people tested (or one would hope so). While it's important to know recovery rates, even if just as a morale booster, I'm keeping an eye on death counts, because that'll be the #1 indicator on how our health services are handling this situation.

[Spurtacular]

Oh hey a goal post move. Back to the hur dur with you.

Infection rate is what this thread's about, dip shit.

[pgardn]

There's some truths here and some falsehoods, and a lot of bullshit.

We are getting some facts from the CDC. We aren't getting all the variables so we cannot solve the equation. Either they don't care to inform us because of resources/time, or they have been instructed to not provide the information for some reason.

We keep seeing the number of infected increase while the recoveries stay at zero in the US. Why? The perhaps unintended consequence is that all people see is the bad, no one sees the good (that the overwhelmingly large percentage of people who contract this virus will recover in a few days, and that's the ones who have symptoms). This in turn leads to all the hand wringing and bleak outlooks you see here and elsewhere.

So we have 25-30K infections or so, how many recoveries? Surely someone who was diagnosed weeks ago has recovered, otherwise what's up with all the "advice from a recovered blah blah blah in Florida" nonsense?

I know we have a recovery from a + who went to the hospital took scans tested again. All said he had it.

But his family is not calling it a full recovery yet even though he feels fine.
They are being cautious and so are the docs as I think they fear relapse.
And i don’t know if they have tests to prove you have totally cleared the virus. Herpes, a very diff virus is never cleared by many. Imo they are being super cautious because the guy feels fine.

Not sure when we call people recovered or cured or whatever yet.

I had a relapse with mono as I started feeling fine and went back to school again and relapsed missing a whole semester. But again, a virus already known for causing relapses.
All anecdotal because that’s all I got on your question.

[midnightpulp]

And who has been promulgating the simplistic exponential method of estimation? All the experts except Leavitt?

I don't believe I was -- the range of the CDC estimate is quite wide, 40%-70%. For a novel pathogen, it makes sense that estimates will vary widely based on spotty information.

For example, had I taken the lower end of the CDC's estimate, 40%, woild that really be so out of whack contextually with the case you cited?

Yeah, 40 percent will eventually happen, but I don't it'll happen in one year. In California, we had our first case nearly 2 months ago. Up until mid-March, it was business as usual here. Casinos, bars, clubs, beaches, basketball games, etc packed. People mingling per usual. Based on exponential growth, the entirety of California should've been infected in fewer than 30 days. We didn't even take this thing really seriously until early March. Covid was left unchecked for a month in the most populated state and didn't "run away." We're currently at 1555 confirmed cases, despite not getting really serious with social distancing and stay-at-home efforts until mid-March. Sure, many cases out there not confirmed, but even if I'm off by a factor of 10, that's 100,000 cases in the state. And the bright side here is that means the case mortality rate will drop to very, very low levels, as deaths are recorded more accurately than cases, as this points out.


1) Deaths will be the most accurate number, as official records are kept on deaths. The number of cases is the inaccurate number. We have not been testing anywhere near enough people and therefore the number of cases will be substantially underestimated.

2) The people most likely to have been tested are those who have symptoms of the virus. This is a form of confirmation bias. It will pick up more cases than there are in the general population, but it will miss the mild cases among the general population and thus again underestimate the number of cases and overestimate the severity of cases.

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/03/coronavirus-covid-19-some-facts-figures/

[Blake]

Infection rate is what this thread's about, dip shit.

Your thread title is a misleading lie right off the bat, dumbfuck. Could=/=will. Hur dur.

[midnightpulp]

I appreciate the work mid has been putting in but I’m generally skeptical of armchair experts explaining why their logic and common sense trumps what the experts are saying... or that they are seeing something ALL the experts are missing

i hope he’s right though

More on this. I'm not trying to Dinning-Kruger, but experts are fallible, can be emotionally biased, and even petty. You're a legal expert, but I'm sure you've encountered peers in your field that also have the ESQ following their names who are just complete dumbshits and you wonder how in the hell they're in the positions they're in.

And the media at large are giving more attention to the experts hyping the doomsday scenarios than the ones who aren't. There was a previous study to my linked University of Maryland study about how the Summer won't save us that made the rounds, despite it being a less robust study than University of Maryland's, who does have one of the top infectious disease programs in the country. The director of their virology department was key in figuring out AIDS/HIV:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gallo

[pgardn]

This is all good in one way.

People are reading about it and discussing it.
Maybe it helps the antivaccers to understand... uhhh maybe not.

[Spurtacular]

Your thread title is a misleading lie right off the bat, dumbfuck. Could=/=will. Hur dur.

Oh, Blake. Corey not around to give you a good pillow fight?

[boutons_deux]

They live on top of each other in NYC
What a huge surprise.
Your compassion just knowing his figures are wrong is noted.

Throughout the sunbelt 10Ms live "on top of each other" in apartment complexes

[Blake]

hur dur, Blake. Hur dur?

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah, 40 percent will eventually happen, but I don't it'll happen in one year.

Tbf to Cuomo, he said 40-80% basically over the next 6,8,9 months.

I think he was just clumsily attempting to say this is now the 5th endemic human coronavirus, eventually most of the population will get it. There are far too many unknown variables for any model to accurately predict how long that will take.

[baseline bum]

Levitt seems to think so. Based on exponential modeling from the initial outbreak in China, all of the world should've been infected in 90 days. But as he states, that exponential growth can't continue indefinitely because we don't meet new people every day, we're taking precautions to limit spread, and, though this is speculation, some people might be naturally immune and/or the virus has a tougher time infecting them.

CDC isn't modeling exponential growth. The growth is only exponential at the very beginning when there aren't many to have gotten the virus and recovered / died, as the number of dead/recovered lowers the number of people who can be infected. It's still a very nasty high slope curve if nothing is done to limit the transfer of a virus like SARSCov2 that is so contagious though. Once they get on the other side of the maximum infected with a couple of weeks time delay after it makes sense to start opening the country back up as enough are infected / recovered / dead to limit transmission. Especially near the end when the infection rate becomes approximately an exponential decay.

[vy65]

And who has been promulgating the simplistic exponential method of estimation? All the experts except Leavitt?

I don't believe I was -- the range of the CDC estimate is quite wide, 40%-70%. For a novel pathogen, it makes sense that estimates will vary widely based on spotty information.

For example, had I taken the lower end of the CDC's estimate, 40%, woild that really be so out of whack contextually with the case you cited?


Chart from John Hopkins. You'll see that daily percentage increases in cases in decreasing, and this is despite there being more testing. Exponential growth means a 100 percent increase again and again and again until everyone is infected.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/0_8rcyCr21ElN_Q28v.png?itok=5EY15fSK

That said, yes, everyone/majority will get infected by this disease. We've all had the common cold and flu, but it'll probably take years. But I'm doubtful it's going to happen in 6-12 month time frame.

Covid-19 isn't THAT transmissible.



That's a pretty low number that will guard against a "runaway scenario." There's certain areas prone to be runaway, like New York, because they're forced into more enclosed spaces due to population density and much more reliance on mass transit, but most of the country isn't built like New York.

Then there's the prospect of warmer weather slowing virality down, which will further reduce the probability of a runaway scenario. Sure you already saw my post, but here's the findings from the University of Maryland.

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2020/Researchers-Predict-Potential-Spread-and-Seasonality-for-COVID-19-Based-on-Climate-Where-Virus-Appears-to-Thrive.html

That said, yes, places like New York are particularly vulnerable. They check all the boxes. High pop density, mass transit system, climate conducive to spread (remember, their flu transmission rate is 4.2x higher than Texas and California), probably resemble Italy to an extent where multiple generations of family live under the same roof, especially Italian Americans and such.

And yeah, even ideal areas where the virus won't spread much might get overwhelmed, but it'll be because of an insufficient healthcare system. The scenario I don't buy is 200 million infected and 1 million dead in a year. This is a stronger flu on top of the regular flu, and that is a problem in of itself.

Exponential growth would require that the rate of infection keep growing and an accelerating pace. Stagnant or linear growth is not exponential. Decreased, however slight, growth is not exponential either.

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14.9765325
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These are the percentages of positive tests for the US from March 4 to the 22nd. These reflect the increases in testing. By way of example, there were approximately 866 tests with either a positive or negative result (103 remained pending) on March 4. That number rose to 7,031 tests with results (563 pending) on March 11. On March 18, the numbers were 73,956 tests with a positive or negative result (2,538 remained pending). And on March 22, there were 225,351 tests with results (2,842 remained pending). As many have said, the numbers were expected to rise with more testing.

The numbers show a consistent range of positive results of about 12%. The percentage of positive results has, so far, peaked at about 16% on the 10th, dropped down to 10.5% on the 18th, and has ticked up to 14% on the 22nd. What these numbers show is the percentage of positive results hovering in the 10-16% range. What they do not show is exponential growth -- and that's telling as the number of tests ramped up from about 900 on the 4th to over 225,000 on the 22nd.

[vy65]

Numbers courtesy of https://covidtracking.com/data/

[vy65]

And to be clear, those numbers are cumulative - meaning that as of March 22, a total of 225,351 have been performed since March 4 -- not that 225,351 tests were performed on March 22.

[DarrinS]

Numbers courtesy of https://covidtracking.com/data/

Bookmarked. Thanks

[Reck]

What percent of NY will become infected?

Not 85%

That number is just wacky.

[DarrinS]

Just the knowledge of a novel virus in the community would kill exponential growth.

Can you imagine if this thing STARTED in NYC?

[vy65]

And, there's an argument that NYC, Seattle, and NJ should be excluded from the percentages. They are farther along in their growth than other cities, have climates that are particularly conducive to the virus, and have some of the highest population densities in the world. Austin, or Nashville, or Atlanta, or San Diego will be ahead of the curve - compared to those locations - from the availability of testing alone, let alone the other factors.

[DarrinS]

Just for reference, Wuhan is larger than NYC. 12M compared to 8.5M

[Spurtacular]

Not 85%

That number is just wacky.

One number said 56 percent of Californians would get it. My immediate thought was that's bull sh**.

One headline said everyone will get it. But I don't read much of the propaganda outside of catching headlines.

[Blake]

One number said 56 percent of Californians would get it. My immediate thought was that's bull sh**.

One headline said everyone will get it. But I don't read much of the propaganda outside of catching headlines.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=could+versus+would

[rascal]

Don't worry, WReck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412). Dude's selling snake oil.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/574277/new-york-cuomo-slams-groups-mnuchin-warns-12-weeks/

They will over time. Maybe two or three years as it may subside during the warmer months and come back every winter.

[Spurtacular]

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=could+versus+would

Show me the article; since you're acting like you're knowing sh**.

[Spurtacular]

They will over time. Maybe two or three years as it may subside during the warmer months and come back every winter.

So, it's like the flu. Glad we could shut down the world for something so minor.

[Reck]

So, it's like the flu. Glad we could shut down the world for something so minor.

It will be just like any virus. There will be a vaccine that people can take and be immune hopefully. Coronavirus is not going away. It will just be stopped like Polio or any known curable disease that's out there now.

[Spurtacular]

It will be just like any virus. There will be a vaccine that people can take and be immune hopefully. Coronavirus is not going away. It will just be stopped like Polio or any known curable disease that's out there now.

I'm not debating that. There's zero need to shut down the world. Laws should be made to allow people over 50 to take leaves of absence and receive renumeration. Democrats don't care about sensible solutions.

[ElNono]

I'm not debating that. There's zero need to shut down the world. Laws should be made to allow people over 50 to take leaves of absence and receive renumeration. Democrats don't care about sensible solutions.

You still don't get that a lot of people get pneumonia anyways. Even if you're young, and especially if you're overweight, high blood pressure, etc, which accounts for ~40% of this country.

The flu is manageable because we have a vaccine, and because our body had bouts with it many times over. And last I checked, governors from both red and blue States issued stay at home orders, and the Republican POTUS called for the quarantine.

[Spurtacular]

You still don't get that a lot of people get pneumonia anyways. Even if you're young, and especially if you're overweight, high blood pressure, etc, which accounts for ~40% of this country.

The flu is manageable because we have a vaccine, and because our body had bouts with it many times over. And last I checked, governors from both red and blue States issued stay at home orders, and the Republican POTUS called for the quarantine.

Don't bull shit me, bro. We've all seen the stats on the young not dieing; and it ain't cos the economy shut down.

[ElNono]

Don't bull shit me, bro. We've all seen the stats on the young not dieing; and it ain't cos the economy shut down.

Not dying doesn't mean not sick. There's no vaccine, it's up to your body to come up with the defenses. Do you think only old people are packing up Italian and Spanish hospitals?

The whole point of this thing is so we don't have 300,000+ people going to ERs at the same time coz they can't breathe. That's on top of everybody that goes to the ER for usual emergencies.

It's really not THAT complicated to understand how saturating our healthcare system makes thing worse, not better.

[ElNono]

We don't even have a treatment yet. At least if we knew we could give patients X medicine and send the non-terrible cases home, then it would be much more manageable. We're not there yet.

[Blake]

Show me the article; since you're acting like you're knowing sh**.

You want me to show you your own article? Can you not read worth a shit?

And lol what's with the **

[Thread]

We don't even have a treatment yet. At least if we knew we could give patients X medicine and send the non-terrible cases home, then it would be much more manageable. We're not there yet.

But, they got that Javitts Center sparklin'. Everybody drivin' around in golf carts, 2 guys in each one, a black & a white man (black drives). Big, sealed cardboard boxes neatly stacked everywhere.

Havin' the time of their lives.

[ElNono]

But, they got that Javitts Center sparklin'. Everybody drivin' around in golf carts, 2 guys in each one, a black & a white man (black drives). Big, sealed cardboard boxes neatly stacked everywhere.

Havin' the time of their lives.

Ever been? Quite the place, as I remember it.

[Thread]

Ever been? Quite the place, as I remember it.

No. I'm only familiar with it because that's where Hillary Clinton had her Waterloo.

[ElNono]

No. I'm only familiar with it because that's where Hillary Clinton had her Waterloo.

Fairly similar to the Moscone Center. Both are probably dead as hell right now.

[Spurtacular]

You want me to show you your own article? Can you not read worth a shit?

And lol what's with the **

I said I caught a headline. For all I know you're not even talking about the same thing.

Yea, you're not going to post; you just miss your tickle fights with Corey is all.

[Spurtacular]

It's really not THAT complicated to understand how saturating our healthcare system makes thing worse, not better.

You love to hide behind this.

[ElNono]

You love to hide behind this.

Who's hiding? I'm telling you right to your face, like every other medical professional is telling you. That it doesn't sink in is not my problem.

[Blake]

I said I caught a headline. For all I know you're not even talking about the same thing.

Yea, you're not going to post; you just miss your tickle fights with Corey is all.

So you're too lazy to read the article that you posted and you want me to do it for you.

[Spurtacular]

Who's hiding? I'm telling you right to your face, like every other medical professional is telling you. That it doesn't sink in is not my problem.

You hiding. The sky is not falling, bruh.

[Spurtacular]

So you're too lazy to read the article that you posted and you want me to do it for you.

I didn't post an article.

This is why you shouldn't mouth off, cuck.

[ElNono]

You hiding. The sky is not falling, bruh.

How am I hiding? We certainly don't want the sky to fall, that's why we do the whole stay at home thing.

[Blake]

I didn't post an article.

This is why you shouldn't mouth off, cuck.

You really don't understand I'm talking about the link you posted in the very first post?

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped trying to discuss anything with you. Back to the hur dur with you, retard.

[boutons_deux]

H1N1 / 2009 infected 60M and marched right through the summer

[SnakeBoy]

We don't even have a treatment yet. At least if we knew we could give patients X medicine and send the non-terrible cases home, then it would be much more manageable. We're not there yet.

We'll know soon if the hydroxychloroquine + zithro is as effective as it was in the small France study. All those showed immediate improvement and most cleared the virus in 5 days. New York started the clinical trial today.

[ElNono]

We'll know soon if the hydroxychloroquine + zithro is as effective as it was in the small France study. All those showed immediate improvement and most cleared the virus in 5 days. New York started the clinical trial today.

I'm hopeful, that would certainly turn the tide if it can be manufactured quickly enough.

[pgardn]

You really don't understand I'm talking about the link you posted in the very first post?

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped trying to discuss anything with you. Back to the hur dur with you, retard.

Incel boy cant even remember starting a thread unless it directly relates to Blake, Reck and their family affairs.
Not only is a retard, hes a slobbering goat in heat thinking about "the guys".

[pgardn]

Don't worry, WReck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412). Dude's selling snake oil.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/574277/new-york-cuomo-slams-groups-mnuchin-warns-12-weeks/


So you're too lazy to read the article that you posted and you want me to do it for you.


I didn't post an article.

This is why you shouldn't mouth off, cuck.

Can you just humbly leave the board and plant your face in a mound of fire ants?

[Spurtacular]

Can you just humbly leave the board and plant your face in a mound of fire ants?

Blake was responding to a post in which I said could, not the OP.

Does this fire ants thing apply to you now?

[Spurtacular]

You really don't understand I'm talking about the link you posted in the very first post?

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped trying to discuss anything with you. Back to the hur dur with you, retard.

I really didn't understand that I said could in a post and that when you linked me to could vs. would it just magically referred to the OP that doesn't regard could vs. would.

Geez, you fucking cuck. Don't even try to save face if you're gonna suck that fucking hard. Just walk away with your tale between your legs the first time.

And :lmao that you brought another chumpette down with you. You'd think they'd know not to jump on your limp bandwagon by now (they actually usually do cos you're that fucking pathetic).

[Blake]

3 paragraph Hur dur!

[Spurtacular]

Don't even bother cuckling down, blake. You went full retard already.

[Blake]

hurdur I saiiiiid.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm hopeful, that would certainly turn the tide if it can be manufactured quickly enough.

Hydroxychloroquine is the most commonly used anti-arthritic drug in the country. Zithro (Z pack) is the most commonly prescribed antibiotic in the country. Restrictions on prescribing were put in place within 24 hrs of Trump talking about it publicly. So there should be plenty of it around if it works.

Game changer if the treatment lives up to the hopes. I mean there will still be deaths because plenty of people are living with congestive heart failure, severe COPD, etc. They are on the brink and any viral infection could push them over. I heard someone say they should be classified as died with Covid-19 instead of died from Covid-19.

[midnightpulp]

Hydroxychloroquine is the most commonly used anti-arthritic drug in the country. Zithro (Z pack) is the most commonly prescribed antibiotic in the country. Restrictions on prescribing were put in place within 24 hrs of Trump talking about it publicly. So there should be plenty of it around if it works.

Game changer if the treatment lives up to the hopes. I mean there will still be deaths because plenty of people are living with congestive heart failure, severe COPD, etc. They are on the brink and any viral infection could push them over. I heard someone say they should be classified as died with Covid-19 instead of died from Covid-19.

This is a good point. Can we really say a 400lb guy who's had a couple of bypasses, is type 2 diabetic, consistently needs oxygen from one of those portable tanks "died" of Covid?

[ElNono]

Hydroxychloroquine is the most commonly used anti-arthritic drug in the country. Zithro (Z pack) is the most commonly prescribed antibiotic in the country. Restrictions on prescribing were put in place within 24 hrs of Trump talking about it publicly. So there should be plenty of it around if it works.

Game changer if the treatment lives up to the hopes. I mean there will still be deaths because plenty of people are living with congestive heart failure, severe COPD, etc. They are on the brink and any viral infection could push them over. I heard someone say they should be classified as died with Covid-19 instead of died from Covid-19.

I've heard people/doctors are hoarding it already since Orange man spoke. Again, just a bad idea:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/23/820228658/why-hoarding-of-hydroxychloroquine-needs-to-stop

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/24/stop-hoarding-hydroxychloroquine-many-americans-including-me-need-it/

https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-are-hoarding-unproven-coronavirus-medicine-by-writing-prescriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/business/doctors-buying-coronavirus-drugs.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-treatment-cases-doctors-shortages-news-a9422926.html


Do hope it works, but don't count on availability not being an issue.

[ElNono]

This is a good point. Can we really say a 400lb guy who's had a couple of bypasses, is type 2 diabetic, consistently needs oxygen from one of those portable tanks "died" of Covid?

You certainly can. Just like most AIDS patients don't normally die of AIDS. The virus is basically a immunosuppressant, and allows what would normally be non-fatal diseases turn deadly.

[boutons_deux]

This is a good point. Can we really say a 400lb guy who's had a couple of bypasses, is type 2 diabetic, consistently needs oxygen from one of those portable tanks "died" of Covid?

MAGAtts still trying to downplay, with political motivation to save Trash's obese ass, the seriousness and mortality of covid-19

If covid-19 pushes a victim with indefinitely LIVEABLE co-morbidities over the edge, covid-19 killed the person

comorbidities in Americans:

70 M obese

99 M overweight

100 M diabetic / pre-diabetic

121 M CVD

24M auto-immune disease

but covid-19 really isn't that bad.

Resurrect America Easter Monday

Jesus loves you, but will kill you if you don't vote for Trash

M A G A !

[boutons_deux]

shitbat Repugs saying blocking TX abortions saves more lives than covid-19 kills

shit-fer-brains evangelicals equate a foetus with a human

[Splits]

I've heard people/doctors are hoarding it already since Orange man spoke. Again, just a bad idea:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/23/820228658/why-hoarding-of-hydroxychloroquine-needs-to-stop

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/24/stop-hoarding-hydroxychloroquine-many-americans-including-me-need-it/

https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-are-hoarding-unproven-coronavirus-medicine-by-writing-prescriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/business/doctors-buying-coronavirus-drugs.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-treatment-cases-doctors-shortages-news-a9422926.html


Do hope it works, but don't count on availability not being an issue.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to

[boutons_deux]

a much longer, and more diverse list of side effects for chloroquine

Side EffectsBlurred vision (https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/why-is-my-vision-blurry),
nausea (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-nausea-vomiting),
vomiting (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-nausea-vomiting),
abdominal cramps (https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/muscle-spasms-cramps-charley-horse),
headache (https://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/migraines-headaches-basics), and
diarrhea (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-diarrhea) may occur.

If any of these effects persist or worsen, tell your doctor or pharmacist (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/pharmacists-they-do-more-than-fill-prescriptions) promptly.
Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/index-drugs.aspx) because

he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects.

Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.
Tell your doctor right away if you have any serious side effects, including:

bleaching of hair (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/picture-of-the-hair) color,
hair loss (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hair-loss/default.htm),
mental/mood changes (such as confusion, personality changes, unusual thoughts/behavior, depression (https://www.webmd.com/depression/default.htm)),
hearing changes (such as ringing in the ears (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/understanding-tinnitus-basics), hearing loss (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/hearing-loss-causes-symptoms-treatment)),
darkening of skin (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/skin-conditions-faq)/tissue inside the mouth (https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/anatomy-of-the-mouth),
worsening of skin (https://www.webmd.com/beauty/nutrients-for-healthy-skin) conditions (such as dermatitis (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/contact-dermatitis), psoriasis (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/psoriasis/understanding-psoriasis-basics)),
signs of serious infection (such as high fever (https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/fevers-causes-symptoms-treatments), severe chills, persistent sore throat (https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/understanding-sore-throat-basics)),
unusual tiredness,
swelling legs/ankles (https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/picture-of-the-ankle),
shortness of breath,
pale lips/nails/skin (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/picture-of-the-skin),
signs of liver disease (https://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/liver-and-hepatic-diseases) (such as severe stomach (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/picture-of-the-stomach)/abdominal pain (https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/guide/abdominal-pain-causes-treatments),
yellowing eyes (https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/picture-of-the-eyes)/skin (https://teens.webmd.com/teen-skin), dark urine (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/brown-urine-causes)),
easy bruising/bleeding,
muscle weakness (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/tc/weakness-and-fatigue-topic-overview),
unwanted/uncontrolled movements (including tongue (https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/picture-of-the-tongue) and face twitching (https://www.webmd.com/brain/tic-disorders-and_twitches)).

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8633/chloroquine-oral/details (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8633/chloroquine-oral/details)

rules out hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine as prophylactics

[Thread]

a much longer, and more diverse list of side effects for chloroquine

Side Effects

Blurred vision (https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/why-is-my-vision-blurry),
nausea (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-nausea-vomiting),
vomiting (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-nausea-vomiting),
abdominal cramps (https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/muscle-spasms-cramps-charley-horse),
headache (https://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/migraines-headaches-basics), and
diarrhea (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-diarrhea) may occur.

If any of these effects persist or worsen, tell your doctor or pharmacist (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/pharmacists-they-do-more-than-fill-prescriptions) promptly.
Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/index-drugs.aspx) because

he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects.

Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.
Tell your doctor right away if you have any serious side effects, including:

bleaching of hair (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/picture-of-the-hair) color,
hair loss (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hair-loss/default.htm),
mental/mood changes (such as confusion, personality changes, unusual thoughts/behavior, depression (https://www.webmd.com/depression/default.htm)),
hearing changes (such as ringing in the ears (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/understanding-tinnitus-basics), hearing loss (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/hearing-loss-causes-symptoms-treatment)),
darkening of skin (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/skin-conditions-faq)/tissue inside the mouth (https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/anatomy-of-the-mouth),
worsening of skin (https://www.webmd.com/beauty/nutrients-for-healthy-skin) conditions (such as dermatitis (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/contact-dermatitis), psoriasis (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/psoriasis/understanding-psoriasis-basics)),
signs of serious infection (such as high fever (https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/fevers-causes-symptoms-treatments), severe chills, persistent sore throat (https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/understanding-sore-throat-basics)),
unusual tiredness,
swelling legs/ankles (https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/picture-of-the-ankle),
shortness of breath,
pale lips/nails/skin (https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/picture-of-the-skin),
signs of liver disease (https://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/liver-and-hepatic-diseases) (such as severe stomach (https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/picture-of-the-stomach)/abdominal pain (https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/guide/abdominal-pain-causes-treatments),
yellowing eyes (https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/picture-of-the-eyes)/skin (https://teens.webmd.com/teen-skin), dark urine (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/brown-urine-causes)),
easy bruising/bleeding,
muscle weakness (https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/tc/weakness-and-fatigue-topic-overview),
unwanted/uncontrolled movements (including tongue (https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/picture-of-the-tongue) and face twitching (https://www.webmd.com/brain/tic-disorders-and_twitches)).

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8633/chloroquine-oral/details (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8633/chloroquine-oral/details)

rules out hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine as prophylactics




You should (cc) this to Governor Cuomo, bouts. It's his brainchild.

[Blake]

You should (cc) this to Governor Cuomo, bouts. It's his brainchild.

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[Thread]

1241367245143642113

Yes, Cuomo ordered it, the old man pimped it. Only after the pimping did MSM shit on it, hence Ms. Robinson's Tweet.

[boutons_deux]

If you, eg any blue state, want Federal help, Trash says SUCK MY DICK

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[Thread]

If you, eg any blue state, wants Federal help, Trash says SUCK MY DICK

1242534968959647750

& Cuomo, as you fellows are want to say...[walked it back] this morning. He was praising the WH & the old man like Billy-be-jiggered...just like was doing 3 days ago (on Sunday). Cuomo is a drama queen, having the time of his life.

[Blake]

Yes, Cuomo ordered it, the old man pimped it. Only after the pimping did MSM shit on it, hence Ms. Robinson's Tweet.

You should cc the pimp in chief

[Thread]

You should cc the pimp in chief

No. Cuomo initiated it. Just face it, MSM got caught, but, they'll never stipulate to blame. They too can dish it. They just can't take it.

[Blake]

No. Cuomo initiated it. Just face it, MSM got caught, but, they'll never stipulate to blame. They too can dish it. They just can't take it.

Cuomo asked for tests. Trump took it and pimped it out to the world. You're twisting whichever way Trump's wind blows.

[Thread]

Cuomo asked for tests. Trump took it and pimped it out to the world. You're twisting whichever way Trump's wind blows.

No, Cuomo ordered the combo in. Then Trump jumped into the space & pimped.

[Blake]

No, Cuomo ordered the combo in.

Yeah, for federally approved clinical trials for critically ill patients.

I don't understand why there are so many.... So many....Trumpers like you that whine about the fake media right before rolling out with made up narratives.

[Thread]

Yeah, for federally approved clinical trials for critically ill patients.

I don't understand why there are so many.... So many....Trumpers like you that whine about the fake media right before rolling out with made up narratives.

Yes, for application. But, that action was ignored by MSM until Trump pimped it. Just like Ms. Robinson Tweeted.

[ElNono]

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to

If it works as advertised, they're gonna have to supply the whole world. So I'm glad they're moving in that direction.

[Blake]

Yes, for application. But, that action was ignored by MSM until Trump pimped it. Just like Ms. Robinson Tweeted.

False but even if true, so what?

[Thread]

False but even if true, so what?

Because when Cuomo wanted it MSM loved it.
Because when Trump agreed MSM called him everything but a white man.

[boutons_deux]

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)


....be put in use IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE DYING, MOVE FAST,

... my re-election chances are dying and fast, do it for ME

[Blake]

Because when Cuomo wanted it MSM loved it.
Because when Trump agreed MSM called him everything but a white man.

No, Trump went off on a different tangent. You're making shit up.

[Thread]

No, Trump went off on a different tangent. You're making shit up.

No, because the old man cited Cuomo's action & pimped it.

[Blake]

No, because the old man cited Cuomo's action & pimped it.

But Cuomo didn't pimp it

[rascal]

I'm not debating that. There's zero need to shut down the world. Laws should be made to allow people over 50 to take leaves of absence and receive renumeration. Democrats don't care about sensible solutions.

Don't be stupid. Things need to be shut down and even more than they are. This would be spreading worse if things were going about like normal. The hospitals would not be able to cope as they are already falling behind as it is.

[Spurtacular]

Don't be stupid. Things need to be shut down and even more than they are. This would be spreading worse if things were going about like normal. The hospitals would not be able to cope as they are already falling behind as it is.

Healthy people aren't doing hospital stays for COVID19. Don't be stupid is right.

[Blake]

Don't be stupid.

:lol good luck with that

[RandomGuy]

Don't worry, WReck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412). Dude's selling snake oil.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/574277/new-york-cuomo-slams-groups-mnuchin-warns-12-weeks/

Still looking correct, dumbass from a week ago.

[Spurtacular]

Still looking correct, dumbass from a week ago.

Cuckerish.

[RandomGuy]

Cuck

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

Cuomo's general targeting Jews.

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[ChumpDumper]

But you don't like the Jews.

[Winehole23]

But you don't like the Jews.Hypocritical allegations are sauce for anti-semitism, it's a kink.

[Spurtacular]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/779/195/original/a96f0fc8c3076b9c.jpg