The Count of Corona...

[Thread]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

[DMX7]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

Scoreboard? You don't care about the lives lost.

[Thread]

Scoreboard? You don't care about the lives lost.

Nobody cared about the 23+k who've died so far of Regular Flu in less than 3 months.

Only 488 have died of Corona is that same time period.

[DMX7]

Nobody cared about the 23+k who've died so far of Regular Flu in less than 3 months.

Only 488 have died of Corona is that same time period.

Admit it! You have NO humanity. It's all just politics to you. SAD!

[Thread]

Admit it! You have NO humanity. It's all just politics to you. SAD!

At (488) & (23+k) you damn rights.

[Splits]

This thread is not going to end well

[hater]

This thread is not going to end well

yup

not gona age well. a bunch of school systems just canceled the year. something big must be brewing

:lmao

[Splits]

in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.

[Thread]

This thread is not going to end well

& if so:::

I'll stand the gaffe.

I never hide my shit.

It's my religion.

[Thread]

in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.

Marked.

[slick'81]

We doomed bruhs

[rascal]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

Corona is just starting. I don't believe the flu numbers. This was a mild flu season.

[Thread]

yup

not gona age well. a bunch of school systems just canceled the year. something big must be brewing

:lmao

Fine. Close it till June,,,if it clears by then have the rest of THIS school year continued till September, start the NEW school year then. They'll have their "summer vacation" March-May.

[SpursforSix]

Fine. Close it till June,,,if it clears by then have the rest of THIS school year continued till September, start the NEW school year then. They'll have their "summer vacation" March-May.

Oh it's got to be doubly painful for you with it being "The Year" for the sans Kobe Lakers.

[Thread]

Corona is just starting. I don't believe the flu numbers. This was a mild flu season.

You & I didn't even know the flu numbers till I dragged 'em in here.

[Thread]

Oh it's got to be doubly painful for you with it being "The Year" for the sans Kobe Lakers.

SfS, sweetheart, they were selling your shit.

[spurraider21]

SfS, sweetheart, they were selling your shit.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfKck-6qtmIG8g2AK9ytLrIEhMHDixy8YPGScbKp4wXhjcqIr14DJvvb BP0c78_vyg6CBQ47J35VCUUbRvK6tJZqECFTMn40CgSdRH7yw&usqp=CAE

[Thread]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfKck-6qtmIG8g2AK9ytLrIEhMHDixy8YPGScbKp4wXhjcqIr14DJvvb BP0c78_vyg6CBQ47J35VCUUbRvK6tJZqECFTMn40CgSdRH7yw&usqp=CAE

I don't do Hall of Fame, nor, rings of honors, nor MVP's, any of that fuckin' nonsense.

I do ring count. Kobe has 3 doubles & a triple.

[spurraider21]

I don't do Hall of Fame, nor, rings of honors, nor MVP's, any of that fuckin' nonsense.

I do ring count. Kobe has 3 doubles & a triple.
nevertheless, they were selling his shit

[Thread]

nevertheless, they were selling his shit

That's my shit. Get your own shit.

[Splits]

I don't do Hall of Fame, nor, rings of honors, nor MVP's, any of that fuckin' nonsense.

I do ring count. Kobe has 3 doubles & a triple.

https://www.news4jax.com/resizer/9RZwdgVJ3AoUVrGewNhR5otOZlE=/1600x1066/smart/filters:format(jpeg):strip_exif(true):strip_icc(tr ue):no_upscale(true):quality(65)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/XF722QKNY5HGTHBVULNSJUIZQM.jpg

Kobe's got himself, daughter, and 7 others killed by forcing his pilot to fly in weather the Sheriff's office grounded their choppers for.

3 doubles and a triple = 9 deaths

[slick'81]

https://www.news4jax.com/resizer/9RZwdgVJ3AoUVrGewNhR5otOZlE=/1600x1066/smart/filters:format(jpeg):strip_exif(true):strip_icc(tr ue):no_upscale(true):quality(65)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/XF722QKNY5HGTHBVULNSJUIZQM.jpg

Kobe's got himself, daughter, and 7 others killed by forcing his pilot to fly in weather the Sheriff's office grounded their choppers for.

3 doubles and a triple = 9 deaths


Bruh

[Winehole23]

Corona is just starting. I don't believe the flu numbers. This was a mild flu season.Believe it or not, 23k deaths *is* a mild flu season.

[Thread]

https://www.news4jax.com/resizer/9RZwdgVJ3AoUVrGewNhR5otOZlE=/1600x1066/smart/filters:format(jpeg):strip_exif(true):strip_icc(tr ue):no_upscale(true):quality(65)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/XF722QKNY5HGTHBVULNSJUIZQM.jpg

Kobe's got himself, daughter, and 7 others killed by forcing his pilot to fly in weather the Sheriff's office grounded their choppers for.

3 doubles and a triple = 9 deaths

They were selling your shit.

[Thread]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

Update:::

Corona dead: 540
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

[Spurtacular]

Scoreboard? You don't care about the lives lost.

Oh, the humanity!

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Oy vey! They better not shut down he border over the COHEN-19 virus aka the Joo Floo

that would mean we'd lose access to all those Somalian n!gger engineers, lawyers, biochemists, doctors, physicists, etc that the Jews have been promising us for so long!

[pgardn]

Oy vey! They better not shut down he border over the COHEN-19 virus aka the Joo Floo

that would mean we'd lose access to all those Somalian n!gger engineers, lawyers, biochemists, doctors, physicists, etc that the Jews have been promising us for so long!

Spurter or TGFT TGY going full tilt.

[Thread]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

Update (25 March 2020---3:45AM):::

Corona dead: 703
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Reck]

Corona dead: 488


Oh no, Thread. You made a ducks.

Never get ahead of your skeets.

[RandomGuy]

This thread is not going to end well

Innumeracy.

800 one day later. OP does not understand exponential growth.

I may not have superpowers, but I understand math. Deaths will follow diagnosed cases, and diagnosed cases have been following a pretty steep growth curve.

Due to Republicans not taking precautions, and already chomping at the bit to roll back what has been done, people will die. They will die because this will spread farther than it should.

Reality does not care about the president's fee fees, and the "tone at the top" matters. The tone at the top has been disorganized, uninformed, and irresponsible.

[RandomGuy]

Oh no, Thread. You made a ducks.

Never get ahead of your skeets.

"The giant asteroid has killed no one as of today, it must not be a problem". :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Update (25 March 2020---3:45AM):::

Corona dead: 703
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Don't know why you're bragging about Trump's 23,700+ dead.

[Thread]

Don't know why you're bragging about Trump's 23,700+ dead.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[Thread]

Innumeracy.

800 one day later. OP does not understand exponential growth.

I may not have superpowers, but I understand math. Deaths will follow diagnosed cases, and diagnosed cases have been following a pretty steep growth curve.

Due to Republicans not taking precautions, and already chomping at the bit to roll back what has been done, people will die. They will die because this will spread farther than it should.

Reality does not care about the president's fee fees, and the "tone at the top" matters. The tone at the top has been disorganized, uninformed, and irresponsible.

& when (those Deaths) surpass 23+k "you'll" win.

[Splits]

& when (those Deaths) surpass 23+k "you'll" win.

My AI/ML model shows this will be April 26th. This year. NYC alone is going to be losing 1k/day in 2 weeks

[clambake]

dale should go teach at liberty.

[Thread]

My AI/ML model shows this will be April 26th. This year. NYC alone is going to be losing 1k/day in 2 weeks

Now wait-a-minute, dad. 2 April 2020 is your 1k day. We ain't changing that, sweetheart.

[RandomGuy]

My AI/ML model shows this will be April 26th. This year. NYC alone is going to be losing 1k/day in 2 weeks

Places that have managed to really clamp down with shelter in place orders have managed to substantially slow the spread, so maybe they did that in time. If not, FEMA holding back respirators is going to be a huge issue.

[Thread]

Places that have managed to really clamp down with shelter in place orders have managed to substantially slow the spread, so maybe they did that in time. If not, FEMA holding back respirators is going to be a huge issue.


I don't think so, RG. They was out in Central Park 3 days ago playin' 4 handed Frisbee. Now brother of Fredo is going to close the streets to traffic & open 'em up to pedestrians..."but, no basketball. If you play basketball I'm closing the playgrounds. Have fun!"

tee, hee.

[RandomGuy]

My AI/ML model shows this will be April 26th. This year. NYC alone is going to be losing 1k/day in 2 weeks

Ten days ago US cases: 4.6k. Today that is 56k.

If virus takes 2-8 weeks to kill we will see a dramatic rise in fatalities about the same time frame. Cuomo is right to be worried. This has hit a nursing home in the city where my dad lives, prompting the mayor to declare an emergency. My dad trusted me when I said it was going to get bad, but it wasn't quite real to him until now.

[Splits]

Now wait-a-minute, dad. 2 April 2020 is your 1k day. We ain't changing that, sweetheart.

Uh uh.

1k/day by 2 April is not just NYC

[Thread]

Uh uh.

1k/day by 2 April is not just NYC

That's my point!

[phxspurfan]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

Duncan rings: 5
KoMe rings: 5

Spurs rings in 2020: 0
Lakers rings in 2020: 0

[Splits]

That's my point!

You don't have a point. The point is, when I said 1k/day by 2 April, that was total US deaths not just NYC. The post you just quoted, said NYC only.

[Thread]

Duncan rings: 5
KoMe rings: 5

Spurs rings in 2020: 0
Lakers rings in 2020: 0

They were selling your shit.

[horseshue]

With a rate corona is spreading, in two weeks time it's gonna be 1+ million infected in usa alone. And death rate will be insane.

[Thread]

You don't have a point. The point is, when I said 1k/day by 2 April, that was total US deaths not just NYC. The post you just quoted, said NYC only.

I agree. & I'm holding you to that (((1k/day total US deaths))) if it don't occur by April 2nd.

Jesus Christ, you're a dense turd-hound.

[Thread]

With a rate corona is spreading, in two weeks time it's gonna be 1+ million infected in usa alone. And death rate will be insane.

& yet Americans won't leave the beaches of California, or Florida, & Americans won't leave Central Park in NYC.

[DMC]

I don't do Hall of Fame, nor, rings of honors, nor MVP's, any of that fuckin' nonsense.

I do ring count. Kobe has 3 doubles & a triple.

Dale doesn't do wampum

But you can't count doubles and triples at the same time. That's like saying I have four of a kind and two pair and three of a kind in a five-card hand. You've got one or the other.

[DMC]

Ten days ago US cases: 4.6k. Today that is 56k.

If virus takes 2-8 weeks to kill we will see a dramatic rise in fatalities about the same time frame. Cuomo is right to be worried. This has hit a nursing home in the city where my dad lives, prompting the mayor to declare an emergency. My dad trusted me when I said it was going to get bad, but it wasn't quite real to him until now.

These numbers don't mean what you think they mean. It's not like when someone contracts the coronavirus, magically a new flag is sent to increase the count. There were plenty of people in the United States that were infected and weren't counted until they were tested. I'm sure there's still some spread happening but you can't use that sudden increase in confirmed cases as a sign of increased spread rate.

[Xevious]

Yes, the flu kills a lot of people every year. But hospital systems right now are getting hammered and seeing PPE shortages, and that's after most places have shut down all elective procedures. And COVID hasn't come close to peaking yet in the US. Without radical intervention, all healthcare workers are going to be infected as well.

[Splits]

I agree. & I'm holding you to that (((1k/day total US deaths))) if it don't occur by April 2nd.

Jesus Christ, you're a dense turd-hound.

I think I said "10 days" yesterday, so 3 April.

Since I know you can't do more than simple algebra, let me try to simplify this for you. Look at the daily ratio of infected vs. dead. The currently "peaking" countries, Spain and Italy, are running ~6500 new cases per day and, with a ton of backlog because they've been ramping to that peak for weeks, 10% of that number (~650) are dying per day. US has a 1% ratio right now, that will peak in two weeks at 10%, yet our daily cases are almost double those of Italy/Spain while we are still climbing the statistical mountain. NYC is in deep deep trouble, it's trajectory makes Italy look tolerable.

[Xevious]

These numbers don't mean what you think they mean. It's not like when someone contracts the coronavirus, magically a new flag is sent to increase the count. There were plenty of people in the United States that were infected and weren't counted until they were tested. I'm sure there's still some spread happening but you can't use that sudden increase in confirmed cases as a sign of increased spread rate.
There is, no doubt, a lot of community spread cases that go untested. People with mild cases are self quarantining without getting an official confirmation, and others are going about their business and spreading it without their knowledge.

[Thread]

I think I said "10 days" yesterday, so 3 April.

Since I know you can't do more than simple algebra, let me try to simplify this for you. Look at the daily ratio of infected vs. dead. The currently "peaking" countries, Spain and Italy, are running ~6500 new cases per day and, with a ton of backlog because they've been ramping to that peak for weeks, and 10% of that number (~650) are dying per day. US has a 1% ratio right now, that will peak in two weeks at 10%, yet our daily cases are almost double those of Italy/Spain while we are still climbing the statistical mountain. NYC is in deep deep trouble, it's trajectory makes Italy look tolerable.

No. It's April 2nd. I done toted up the ciphers.

---------

& yes, I don't do algebra, can't make heads nor tails of it. Girl took the course for me during HS & then in College, so, I stipulate to that fact.

I'm looking at the raw #'s and brazening it out, as I'm apt to do on Board & in life. This life tact ain't always served me well, yes, I admit that, but, I ain't stopping now, my fine friend Splits.

[Thread]

Yes, the flu kills a lot of people every year. But hospital systems right now are getting hammered and seeing PPE shortages, and that's after most places have shut down all elective procedures. And COVID hasn't come close to peaking yet in the US. Without radical intervention, all healthcare workers are going to be infected as well.

& we let them die because that's just the way it was.

"We can't ventilate them all. It'd be too expensive. And would close commerce. Tote up the ciphers."

But, not Corona.

[Splits]

No. It's April 2nd. I done toted up the ciphers.

---------

& yes, I don't do algebra, can't make heads nor tails of it. Girl took the course for me during HS & then in College, so, I stipulate to that fact.

I'm looking at the raw #'s and brazening it out, as I'm apt to do on Board & in life. This life tact ain't always served me well, yes, I admit that, but, I ain't stopping now, my fine friend Splits.

So when DMZ was reporting that Bryant crash, with an unknown number of Bryants on board, what was your (bend over I'll give you a) raw number?

[Thread]

Dale doesn't do wampum

But you can't count doubles and triples at the same time. That's like saying I have four of a kind and two pair and three of a kind in a five-card hand. You've got one or the other.

I know, but, most people let me get away with it...smart ass.

This may be, about the 3rd time thru the years you've donned me on this shit. Damn ya!

[Thread]

So when DMZ was reporting that Bryant crash, with an unknown number of Bryants on board, what was your raw number?

No survivors. Total loss.

[phxspurfan]

https://www.news4jax.com/resizer/9RZwdgVJ3AoUVrGewNhR5otOZlE=/1600x1066/smart/filters:format(jpeg):strip_exif(true):strip_icc(tr ue):no_upscale(true):quality(65)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/XF722QKNY5HGTHBVULNSJUIZQM.jpg

Kobe's got himself, daughter, and 7 others killed by forcing his pilot to fly in weather the Sheriff's office grounded their choppers for.

3 doubles and a triple = 9 deaths

damn thats savage

is that first responder taking a selfie

[Splits]

damn thats savage

is that first responder taking a selfie

they were both livestreaming it so Nessa could watch the embers disintegrate into ashes

[Thread]

damn thats savage

is that first responder taking a selfie

No, they're pointing to James Earl Ray.

[DMC]

I know, but, most people let me get away with it...smart ass.

This may be, about the 3rd time thru the years you've donned me on this shit. Damn ya!

lmcontrollinao!

[RandomGuy]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

1000 dead now. doubled in two days. Will double again, and again, and again. Only has to do that five times to exceed the annual flu death count. If it gets to a million or so in the US as some projections put it over the next year, that is about 20 years worth of flu all at once, overwhelming the health care system.

You.
Stupid.
Fuck.

[slick'81]

1000 dead now. doubled in two days. Will double again, and again, and again. Only has to do that five times to exceed the annual flu death count. If it gets to a million or so in the US as some projections put it over the next year, that is about 20 years worth of flu all at once, overwhelming the health care system.

You.
Stupid.
Fuck.


Bbbb but h1n1

[RandomGuy]

These numbers don't mean what you think they mean. It's not like when someone contracts the coronavirus, magically a new flag is sent to increase the count. There were plenty of people in the United States that were infected and weren't counted until they were tested. I'm sure there's still some spread happening but you can't use that sudden increase in confirmed cases as a sign of increased spread rate.

Eyup. the delay in testing means it has been spreading undetected for weeks. Been saying that, repeatedly.

The acceleration is kind of expected due to that factor. The sudden uptick in new cases makes it look steep, but the reality is a shallower curve. Even so, this is simply exponential growth. With fucktarded Republican policies like what the Florida and Mississipi governors are doing, we can expect little let up in that, despite the lock downs the rest of the sane, reality-based people are undergoing.

[RandomGuy]

Governor Rejects State Lockdown For COVID-19: ‘Mississippi's Never Going to Be China’

March 24 UPDATE to below story: At a press conference this morning, Gov. Tate Reeves said he's still taking a "Wait and See" approach to a shelter-at-home order. He didn't give details of executive orders he says he plans to sign as Mississippi saw the largest number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in a single day thus far.

#Gov. Tate Reeves rejected calls today for a statewide shelter-at-home order, a measure of caution against the spread of COVID-19 being rapidly deployed next door in Louisiana, elsewhere in the United States and across the globe.

#"It is my goal to make sure we make good, solid decisions based on experts,” the governor said in an afternoon Facebook Live address, where he took questions from Mississippi residents. “No one at the State Department of Health has recommended that we have a statewide shelter-in-place order," Reeves added.
https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2020/mar/23/governor-rejects-state-lockdown-covid-19-mississip/

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't do Hall of Fame, nor, rings of honors, nor MVP's, any of that fuckin' nonsense.

I do ring count. Kobe has 3 doubles & a triple.

Kobe is a pile of burnt bones and flesh. No rings, not even a living brain cell, nor a proper casket or funeral. Kobe does not exist.

Embrace this bitter truth, and welcome it into your heart.

[Thread]

Kobe is a pile of burnt bones and flesh. No rings, not even a living brain cell, nor a proper casket or funeral. Kobe does not exist.

Embrace this bitter truth, and welcome it into your heart.

They were selling your shit.

[Thread]

1000 dead now. doubled in two days. Will double again, and again, and again. Only has to do that five times to exceed the annual flu death count. If it gets to a million or so in the US as some projections put it over the next year, that is about 20 years worth of flu all at once, overwhelming the health care system.

You.
Stupid.
Fuck.

I thought I was on your [Ignore List], RG?

tee, hee.

[Reck]

Thread, told you not to get over yer skeets. That’s ducks business.

[Thread]

Thread, told you not to get over yer skeets. That’s ducks business.

We're at 900 over a 2 month time frame.

If we could get the people offin' the beaches in California & Florida, had not had 'em Mardi Grain' down in LA., & if Cuomo could keep 'em outta Central Park playin' basketball in NYC we'd be a measure less than that.

- "If they don't stop playing basketball I'm going to close the playgrounds." - Cuomo

Big shot.

[Thread]

Update (25 March 2020---3:45AM):::

Corona dead: 703
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Update (26 March 2020---3:43AM):::

Corona dead: 903
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[chunticakes]

Update (26 March 2020---3:43AM):::

Corona dead: 903
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Preach, Cubby.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Oy vey ! When Jewish lightning strikes, there will be plenty of goy property to be acquired for cheap!



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/private-equity-eyes-coronavirus-hit-industries-theyve-been-waiting.html

[Winehole23]

Factoid: The USA and South Korea had their first diagnosed case of COVID-19 on the same day, January 20.

The difference in outcomes is a moral and political difference between the two.

If mass death in the USA wasn't the intended policy, that's what it turns out to have been.

[Thread]

Factoid: The USA and South Korea had their first diagnosed case of COVID-19 on the same day, January 20.

The difference in outcomes is a moral and political difference between the two.

If mass death in the USA wasn't the intended policy, that's what it turns out to have been.

I imagine (they) didn't & still haven't hit their beaches & parks like we did & still do.

"You can go to the playgrounds, but, you can't play basketball. If you do play basketball I'm closing the playgrounds."
"I'm closing the streets so you can walk around on the streets. Stay between 2 meters & 6 feet apart and don't play basketball. If you play basketball I'm going to close the streets to you and open them up to you as long as you're in a car."

- Cuomo

Winester, we still haven't closed down. Anywhere!

[Winehole23]

Winester, we still haven't closed down. Anywhere!Then why did 3.28 million people file for unemployment the week endin 3/14? If social distancing and people hunkered down at home didn't cause the economic contraction, what did?

[Winehole23]

Factoid: The USA and South Korea had their first diagnosed case of COVID-19 on the same day, January 20.

The difference in outcomes is a moral and political difference between the two.

If mass death in the USA wasn't the intended policy, that's what it turns out to have been.The lives will have been sacrificed for the market Moloch and DJT's personal glory.

The sacrifice will do nothing to avert a recession we're already in and may make it worse.

[Millennial_Messiah]

They were selling your shit.

They were smelling your shit too my friend....

:lol Sasha Vujacic trying to guard Pierce

[Thread]

Then why did 3.28 million people file for unemployment the week endin 3/14? If social distancing and people hunkered down at home didn't cause the economic contraction, what did?

That ain't closing down. That's filing for unemployment & then going for a walk & a Frisbee catch in Central Park, or, a swim on a Florida beach, or, a swim in the Pacific Ocean off California, or, living in regret because you Mardi Gra'ed in Louisiana.

[Thread]

They were smelling your shit too my friend....

:lol Sasha Vujacic trying to guard Pierce

...he made those two ft's, by God.

[Thread]

The lives will have been sacrificed for the market Moloch and DJT's personal glory.

The sacrifice will do nothing to avert a recession we're already in and may make it worse.

I look at it different, Winester...perhaps, hopefully, prayerfully this Corona will be the (((regular scheduled recession))) [[[that was due/overdue]]] that would NOT HAVE been treated by multiple trillions of dollars...but, instead would have been accepted and lived thru like the Great Recession.

Almost the proverbial (good thing), right?

[Winehole23]

That ain't closing down. That's filing for unemployment & then going for a walk & a Frisbee catch in Central Park, or, a swim on a Florida beach, or, a swim in the Pacific Ocean off California, or, living in regret because you Mardi Gra'ed in Louisiana.

Piffle.

Millions are unemployed because they were laid off. Municipal and state social distancing/public health policies have closed down beaucoup businesses.

[Winehole23]

I look at it different, Winester...perhaps, hopefully, prayerfully this Corona will be the (((regular scheduled recession))) [[[that was due/overdue]]] that would NOT HAVE been treated by multiple trillions of dollars...but, instead would have been accepted and lived thru like the Great Recession.

Almost the proverbial (good thing), right?There are no regularly scheduled recessions.


The great recession was a catastrophe we still haven't gotten over. Trillions were thown at Wall St and Fed interest rate repression has essentially been a decade long subsidy to banks and non-bank financiers.

In this recession economic misery is compounded by pestilence. Nothing good about it.

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There are no regularly scheduled recessions.


The great recession was a catastrophe we still haven't gotten over. Trillions were thown at Wall St and Fed interest rate repression has essentially been a decade long subsidy to banks and non-bank financiers.

In this recession economic misery is compounded by pestilence. Nothing good about it.

Please. That's all YOUR SIDE here threatened & forewarned. Well, it's here, but, because of Corona we treated it.

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Piffle.

Millions are unemployed because they were laid off. Municipal and state social distancing/public health policies have closed down beaucoup businesses.

Drove 'em off to the beaches, parks, mardi gra & walkways.

[Winehole23]

Drove 'em off to the beaches, parks, mardi gra & walkways.Austin Texas is like a ghost town today. Parking lot half full at Central Market at opening -- yesterday it was a madhouse.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I look at it different, Winester...perhaps, hopefully, prayerfully this Corona will be the (((regular scheduled recession))) [[[that was due/overdue]]] that would NOT HAVE been treated by multiple trillions of dollars...but, instead would have been accepted and lived thru like the Great Recession.

Almost the proverbial (good thing), right?
New Deal

[horseshue]

80k today, probably 100k+ tomorrow.

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Austin Texas is like a ghost town today. Parking lot half full at Central Market at opening -- yesterday it was a madhouse.

Same way it was there when Charles Whitman ascended that Tower.

[Splits]

Same way it was there when Charles Whitman ascended that Tower.

Same way it was when those rescue workers arrived at the crash site

[DMC]

Same way it was when those rescue workers arrived at the crash site

Or when Magic's T cells said ciao!

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Update (26 March 2020---3:43AM):::

Corona dead: 903
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Update (27 March 2020---4AM):::

Corona dead: 1100
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[scanry]

Spain has had 769 deaths today. Next in line will probably be Iran, France, USA, India, Pakistan and Indonesia.

[spurraider21]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...


Update:::

Corona dead: 540
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Update (25 March 2020---3:45AM):::

Corona dead: 703
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...


Update (26 March 2020---3:43AM):::

Corona dead: 903
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...


Update (27 March 2020---4AM):::

Corona dead: 1100
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...
your last update was posted about 8 hours ago.

now up and over 1500. that rate isn't alarming?

[RandomGuy]

your last update was posted about 8 hours ago.

now up and over 1500. that rate isn't alarming?

idiot would have to understand math for that. Even after it gets more deadly than the flu, which it will, he will simply shrug it off, and move on to the next troll attempt.

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your last update was posted about 8 hours ago.

now up and over 1500. that rate isn't alarming?

Only in terms that I may have to eat that shit sandwich fixed by that fart face (Splits).
Shit, that's gonna be at least 1/2 way to a grand by 4AM tomorrow morning.

[Thread]

idiot would have to understand math for that. Even after it gets more deadly than the flu, which it will, he will simply shrug it off, and move on to the next troll attempt.

RG is my fart catcher.

[spurraider21]

Only in terms that I may have to eat that shit sandwich fixed by that fart face (Splits).
Shit, that's gonna be at least 1/2 way to a grand by 4AM tomorrow morning.
really? only for that?

good grief, dude

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really? only for that?

good grief, dude

I might feel different if WE ALL hadn't a been ignoring the million+ Americans who've died in this country since the century turned from Regular Flu.

[RandomGuy]

your last update was posted about 8 hours ago.

now up and over 1500. that rate isn't alarming?

Geometric growth. doubling every few days. Wait until it really slams Florida, Alabama and Mississippi.

[DMC]

I might feel different if WE ALL hadn't a been ignoring the million+ Americans who've died in this country since the century turned from Regular Flu.

Some pigs are more equal than others. Didn't Orwell teach us that?

[midnightpulp]

your last update was posted about 8 hours ago.

now up and over 1500. that rate isn't alarming?

Frustrating thing is we just don't have good data. We don't know if "new deaths" are from today or two weeks ago (data lag). And we can't reliably track case rate growth without knowing how many tests were performed, i.e. if you test 10 thousand today for 1K positives (10 percent) and test 100K tomorrow for 5K positives (5 percent), the raw case count quintupled, but the actual progression of new cases dropped by half.

[spurraider21]

Frustrating thing is we just don't have good data. We don't know if "new deaths" are from today or two weeks ago (data lag). And we can't reliably track case rate growth without knowing how many tests were performed, i.e. if you test 10 thousand today for 1K positives (10 percent) and test 100K tomorrow for 5K positives (5 percent), the raw case count quintupled, but the actual progression of new cases dropped by half.
:lol baghdad mid on queue

[midnightpulp]

:lol baghdad mid on queue

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I'm just saying we don't know how "alarmist" we should be. Panicking is also detrimental to this fight, and the constant headlines of 84364583 new dead!!!!! flashed in big red numbers on the news outlets are counterproductive.

[RandomGuy]

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I'm just saying we don't know how "alarmist" we should be. Panicking is also detrimental to this fight, and the constant headlines of 84364583 new dead!!!!! flashed in big red numbers on the news outlets are counterproductive.

If those headlines keep people inside, and self-isolating, slowing the speed of the spreading, that is, by definition, productive.

[midnightpulp]

If those headlines keep people inside, and self-isolating, slowing the speed of the spreading, that is, by definition, productive.

Yes, but we also don't want to increase the severity of symptoms from those suffering from illnesses like depression, OCD, anxiety, (which is A LOT of people) and such, which could lead to higher frequencies of suicides, substance abuse, and the like over this time frame.

[spurraider21]

:lol that's the spin? we should err on the side of downplaying because we might cause stress?

[midnightpulp]

:lol that's the spin? we should err on the side of downplaying because we might cause stress?

Strawman. Who said anything about downplaying?

I'm saying reasoned analysis of the situation will go further than constantly flashing scary numbers on the screen in red. And stress doesn't kill people? The entire medical community disagrees with that.

[midnightpulp]

Trying to Philo this :lol

Stressing people out for 3 months. No biggie. It's just stress. It certainly won't exacerbate symptoms of heart disease, high blood pressure, substance abuse, etc. Oh no. That never happens. Just keeping flashing those numbers on the tv and show footage of tanks transporting the dead in Italy.

[spurraider21]

Strawman. Who said anything about downplaying?

I'm saying reasoned analysis of the situation will go further than constantly flashing scary numbers on the screen in red. And stress doesn't kill people? The entire medical community disagrees with that.
your posting over the last several days. there is certainly a range of models/predictions out there yet you invariably cite the less concerning figures/evidence only.

i'm not claiming any expertise on this, but you certainly have picked a "side"

[spurraider21]

covid is more deadly than stress, and i'd rather people understand the gravity of covid than be stress free for the next few months

[RandomGuy]

Corona dead: 488
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 flu dead: 12.5k

I'm using the CNN running count ticker on their channel for the Corona death count. That's who started a running count, so, I'll dance with them.

Let us proceed...

Four days later.
US: 100,000 cases
1500 dead.

If rate holds up, tripling every four days.

4500 in four days.
13500 in eight days
40,500 in twelve days.

Trump's corona virus dead will exceed regular yearly flu load within 9 days.

You.
Stupid.
Fuck.

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Four days later.
US: 100,000 cases
1500 dead.

If rate holds up, tripling every four days.

4500 in four days.
13500 in eight days
40,500 in twelve days.

Trump's corona virus dead will exceed regular yearly flu load within 9 days.

You.
Stupid.
Fuck.

I thought I was on your to [Ignore List]?

You just like to dish it.

[RandomGuy]

This message is hidden because Thread is on your ignore list.

Not going to bother even trying to look. I'm sure it was something stupid.

[Thread]

This message is hidden because Thread is on your ignore list.

Not going to bother even trying to look. I'm sure it was something stupid.

Figures, you only like to dish it.

[spurraider21]

This message is hidden because Thread is on your ignore list.

Not going to bother even trying to look. I'm sure it was something stupid.
no, he's right.

you take your potshots at him but then ignore his responses

[RandomGuy]

This message is hidden because Thread is on your ignore list.

Not going to bother even trying to look. I'm sure it was something stupid.

This message is hidden because Thread is on your ignore list.

:rollin

Trying so hard. Sorry, not looking, and not going to bother any more, than shitting on your OP every few days.

[RandomGuy]

no, he's right.

you take your potshots at him but then ignore his responses

Yup.

How much effort shoudl I spend on an obvious troll, with nothing new or interesting to say?

He is as boring as koriwhat, albeit halfway literate.

[midnightpulp]

your posting over the last several days. there is certainly a range of models/predictions out there yet you invariably cite the less concerning figures/evidence only.

i'm not claiming any expertise on this, but you certainly have picked a "side"

And then in the next post you say Covid is more deadly than stress as if it's medical fact. How do you know this? Talking about picking sides.

As to the bolded, tell me how I've done this, Esquire? I think it's the other way around, with the doomsdayers constantly screaming "Italy" while considering ZERO variables and instead opting for simplistic 1 to 1 comparisons. Do you think this a rational way to evaluate the situation?

[spurraider21]

Yup.

How much effort shoudl I spend on an obvious troll, with nothing new or interesting to say?

He is as boring as koriwhat, albeit halfway literate.
you dish it, but don't take it.

if you're going to ignore him, just ignore him, instead of taking drive by shots. forum etiquette, i guess

[spurraider21]

And then in the next post you say Covid is more deadly than stress as if it's medical fact. How do you know this? Talking about picking sides.

As to the bolded, tell me how I've done this, Esquire? I think it's the other way around, with the doomsdayers constantly screaming "Italy" while considering ZERO variables and instead opting for simplistic 1 to 1 comparisons. Do you think this a rational way to evaluate the situation?
your railing about "alarmists" and "doomsdayers" is the same lingo you see from climate change skeptics.
mannyisgod picked up on that within the last few days as well

do random internet posters like hater blow things out of proportion all the time? sure. and if you're just trying to act as a balance to the "hater"s of the internet, fine.

but even among the spectrum of projections/figures that the experts are putting out, you invariably lean to one end of it

[spurraider21]

"more deadly" was probably the incorrect term. i'm not very educated as to the complications of stress vs covid (or how one would actually measure "cases" or "mortality rates" of the specific brand of stress caused by news reporting of covid), but comparing stress from news coverage to a global pandemic for which one of our cities is now the epicenter seems really off to me

i dont think media-caused stress is going to be crippling our healthcare system in the same way we are already seeing covid start to do here

[RandomGuy]

you dish it, but don't take it.

if you're going to ignore him, just ignore him, instead of taking drive by shots. forum etiquette, i guess

Hmm. On thought, that seems fair. Ignore is ignore.

Thanks.

[midnightpulp]

your railing about "alarmists" and "doomsdayers" is the same lingo you see from climate change skeptics. do random internet posters like hater blow things out of proportion all the time? sure. and if you're just trying to act as a balance to the "hater"s of the internet, fine.

but even among the spectrum of projections/figures that the experts are putting out, you invariably lean to one end of it

No, I have little patience for the misusing or understatement of facts. You'll see a lot of reports in the coming days about how the US now leads the world in total cases. OMG!!!!!! We're the most infected in the world now! It seems people have forgotten what per capita is or increased testing rate is. You see a lot of "we're likely to become the next Italy." But no mention of Italy's population being one of the oldest in the world, their 10x higher death rate from respiratory illnesses vs. the US, the differing cultural behaviors that can perhaps exacerbate spread, the Lombardy region being terribly polluted, etc, etc.

I have not downplayed. I think social distance and non-essential business closures are the right move. But yes, I lean far, far away from the 3 million dead scenarios. My projection is that this is going to hammer us like the nastiest flu season we've had in decades, and that is something to be HIGHLY concerned about.

[midnightpulp]

"more deadly" was probably the incorrect term. i'm not very educated as to the complications of stress vs covid (or how one would actually measure "cases" or "mortality rates" of the specific brand of stress caused by news reporting of covid), but comparing stress from news coverage to a global pandemic for which one of our cities is now the epicenter seems really off to me

i dont think media-caused stress is going to be crippling our healthcare system in the same way we are already seeing covid start to do here

This is exactly WHY it's prudent not to throw more fuel on that fire. Do you think adding even 1 percent more heart attacks and overdoses on top of what is going is a wise move? You act like coverage of this has to be one way or the other, alarmist or stupidly optimistic.

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Hmm. On thought, that seems fair. Ignore is ignore.

Thanks.

ha, ha.

[Winehole23]

This is exactly WHY it's prudent not to throw more fuel on that fire. Do you think adding even 1 percent more heart attacks and overdoses on top of what is going is a wise move? You act like coverage of this has to be one way or the other, alarmist or stupidly optimistic.So the media is supposed to withhold mortality and caseload statistics?

Not cover factually veracious human suffering?

In the next month or two, will it be alarmism for the media to provide coverage of American mass graves?

[Winehole23]

MP to MSM: TONE IT DOWN, YOU'RE KILLING US WITH THE BAD NEWS ABOUT A DEADLY PANDEMIC!

[Thread]

Update (27 March 2020---4AM):::

Corona dead: 1100
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Update (28 March 2020---8AM):::

Corona dead: 1590
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

Update (28 March 2020---8AM):::

Corona dead: 1590
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed......to the graveyard


If gaps in health care resources aren’t filled, more than 80,000 Americans will die over the next four months due to the coronavirus pandemic, epidemiologists at the University of Washington predict.

The grim forecast — based on an analysis of statistics from the World Health Organization, as well as from national and local governments and hospitals — is laid out today in a research paper that’s being submitted to the MedRxiv preprint server but hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed.

Researchers at the UW’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation say their forecast takes current policies on social distancing into account. The problem is that shortages of hospital beds and medical supplies are projected to boost the death toll nevertheless.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/univ-washington-epidemiologists-predict-80-223530567.html

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...to the graveyard

We'll have to have some solid rebate on (traffic deaths) Winester. Sure, they won't permit those ciphers to see the light of day, but, it stands to reason.
+ the murder count will slack off a portion. Sure, they won't permit those ciphers to see the light of day, but, it stands to reason.
Uh, oh, minus the increase in the suicide rate. Sure, they never permit those ciphers to see the light of day, but, it stands to reason.

[Winehole23]

We'll have to have some solid rebate on (traffic deaths) Winester. Sure, they won't permit those ciphers to see the light of day, but, it stands to reason.
+ the murder count will slack off a portion. Sure, they won't permit those ciphers to see the light of day, but, it stands to reason.
Uh, oh, minus the increase in the suicide rate. Sure, they never permit those ciphers to see the light of day, but, it stands to reason.who is the they you keep referring to.

[Thread]

who is the they you keep referring to.

[[["They"? Why, they is the plain and fancy they, that's who "they" is! Caught you, didn't they? Tied a tin can to your tail. Led you in and waltzed you out again. Oh my, what a bunch! Big tough ones, hunh? Here you are with a handful of holes, a thumb up your ass, and a big grin to pass the time of day with. They? Who the hell is "they?"]]]

[Winehole23]

[[["They"? Why, they is the plain and fancy they, that's who "they" is! Caught you, didn't they? Tied a tin can to your tail. Led you in and waltzed you out again. Oh my, what a bunch! Big tough ones, hunh? Here you are with a handful of holes, a thumb up your ass, and a big grin to pass the time of day with. They? Who the hell is "they?"]]]The Wild Bunch

Extreme historical limit of the old timey Western, about 1910.

One of my ATFs.


Pike: He gave his word.
Dutch: He gave his word to a railroad.
Pike: It's his word.
Dutch: That ain't what counts! It's who you give it *to*!

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Have to admit I enjoy what this is doing to the Sports World & sports talk shows in general.
They ain't so fuckin' high & mighty now, by God! Dancing on the edge of hating Trump & wanting it back like it was FOR THEM!

"You have to err on the side of caution, but, where is that line? I'm not saying MLB should be activated, but, I'm not saying they shouldn't be. This is awful, but, yet I think it's a good thing in the long run. & I know I've said thru the years that players can't get into game shape for at least 6 weeks, but, I was wrong. Players in all sports can get ready in 2 weeks! Perhaps even 1 week. Yes, 1 week! If we have to, yes, we should start it up and play in empty stadiums. It'd be okay."

[Thread]

The Wild Bunch

Extreme historical limit of the old timey Western, about 1910.

One of my ATFs.

Yep.

[midnightpulp]

MP to MSM: TONE IT DOWN, YOU'RE KILLING US WITH THE BAD NEWS ABOUT A DEADLY PANDEMIC!

So half-facts are "good now?"

Here's the thing, factors like insomnia, stress, and the like PROVABLY lower the efficacy of your immune system. Do you think it's wise to exacerbate that with sensationalist reporting?

And if you think I'm underplaying, I just saw your post from the Washington study (80K over the next 4-6 months). That's a more realistic forecast (as opposed to millions dead from the initial Imperial study that was working off the Wuhan data). I've said this will hit us like the nastiest flu season in decades. And no, comparing this to the flu isn't trivializing. The flu is a nasty motherfucker, which means we can't handle ANOTHER nasty motherfucker on top of it (bean counting healthcare executives basically run things to max capacity to save on costs). A nasty flu killed 70K Americans in 1958. The population was half the size, so it's more like 140,000 relative to today. The Washington study tracks with that count.

That's very, very worrisome. So stay inside, social distance, wash your hands.

[Winehole23]

^^^Ranting and strawmanning now

[Thread]

^^^Ranting and strawmanning now

Midst, bless his heart likes to play both sides.

& it's a grand heart.

[Splits]

in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.


Marked.

How you feeling, Dale? This was only 4 days ago, and you're already at 400/day

[midnightpulp]

^^^Ranting and strawmanning now

Rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

Yeah, don' think that's what I'm doing.

You are the one strawmanning, twisting my desire for reasoned media reporting into me wanting them to "withhold statistics." Never even implied that.

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How you feeling, Dale? This was only 4 days ago, and you're already at 400/day

I'm okay. If it starts to go berserk, to 800+ per day I'm fucked, because then it's haywire & won't stop. I need to get to Monday at 700, no more. Then I'll hang on for dear life for 48 hours.

Problem is every time Trump approaches a microphone they goose the # on the TV screen & I scream.

"What's goin' on in there, Dale?"

[midnightpulp]

How you feeling, Dale? This was only 4 days ago, and you're already at 400/day

I'll paypal you a 100.00. We're likely to reach 450 Monday per the bet. Even if "I win" somehow, doesn't matter. More money for charity. You going with Chapman's?

[Splits]

I'm okay. If it starts to go berserk, to 800+ per day I'm fucked, because then it's haywire & won't stop. I need to get to Monday at 700, no more. Then I'll hang on for dear life for 48 hours.

Problem is every time Trump approaches a microphone they goose the # on the TV screen & I scream.

"What's goin' on in there, Dale?"

Yeah, looks like my 1k/day by 3 April was optimistic.

My AI/ML model is now predicting you are fucked.

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Yeah, looks like my 1k/day by 3 April was optimistic.

My AI/ML model is now predicting you are fucked.

April 2nd, daddy-O.

Don't even start.

[Splits]

I'll paypal you a 100.00. We're likely to reach 450 Monday per the bet. Even if "I win" somehow, doesn't matter. More money for charity. You going with Chapman's?

We will probably hit 450 today.

Rather than paypal me, just donate directly to Chapman and post the receipt: https://bgcf.givingfuel.com/rcf

I'll drop him another 50 right now.

[Splits]

https://i.imgur.com/7AgwX4N.png

[Splits]

April 2nd, daddy-O.

Don't even start.

lol you're on the wrong side of the argument. It will probably hit in March, but I got a couple days leeway if my math model is off

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lol you're on the wrong side of the argument. It will probably hit in March, but I got a couple days leeway if my math model is off

I just have to stave 800 in the next 48 hours. If I do that I should be able to get to the finish line at less than a grand.

They'll be no living with your ass if you win. At least if I win I'll act like somebody.
Not you though, you've never had an ounce of restraint. So damn immature.

[Splits]

I just have to stave 800 in the next 48 hours. If I do that I should be able to get to the finish line at less than a grand.

They'll be no living with your ass if you win. At least if I win I'll act like somebody.
Not you though, you've never had an ounce of restraint. So damn immature.

Because every peon and scrub, like you, I just bootstomp.

1k is coming even sooner than my math model predicted. I'm now recalibrating

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Because every peon and scrub, like you, I just bootstomp.

1k is coming even sooner than my math model predicted. I'm now recalibrating

The old Splitster!!!

[midnightpulp]

We will probably hit 450 today.

Rather than paypal me, just donate directly to Chapman and post the receipt: https://bgcf.givingfuel.com/rcf

I'll drop him another 50 right now.

Shoot, already sent it to you. Figured to do it that way so you 100 percent know I'm not being a welch.

[Splits]

Shoot, already sent it to you. Figured to do it that way so you 100 percent know I'm not being a welch.

I got it through PayPal. Donated:

https://i.imgur.com/fjjyRwY.png

[midnightpulp]

I got it through PayPal. Donated:

https://i.imgur.com/fjjyRwY.png

Thanks :tu

[Splits]

And I know I'm carrying his jock (was never a Chapman fan), but the dude is so hilarious and refreshing:

https://twitter.com/RexChapman

Honest:

1242965010822893568

And his charity is totally legit: https://bgcf.givingfuel.com/rcf

[ducks]

So far, 113,000 have recovered from coronavirus world-wide.

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And I know I'm carrying his jock (was never a Chapman fan), but the dude is so hilarious and refreshing:

https://twitter.com/RexChapman

Honest:

1242965010822893568

And his charity is totally legit

The NBA basketball player (Rex Chapman)?

If so, he was busted on a felony count a few years back at the Apple store here in Scottsdale, Arizona.

[Splits]

The NBA basketball player (Rex Chapman)?

If so, he was busted on a felony count a few years back at the Apple store here in Scottsdale, Arizona.

No, your fucking neighbor Rex Chapman. Jesus Dale. Your Sun. Rex Chapman. The dude is a fucking all star off the court. Read up.

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No, your fucking neighbor Rex Chapman. Jesus Dale. Your Sun. Rex Chapman. The dude is a fucking all star off the court. Read up.

Fine, but, he was involved in criminal activity is all I'm saying.

[Winehole23]

Rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

Yeah, don' think that's what I'm doing.

You are the one strawmanning, twisting my desire for reasoned media reporting into me wanting them to "withhold statistics." Never even implied that.Now you're moving goalposts in addition to getting all emo about being called out for your bias.

You said the media needed to tone down factual reporting on fatalities and gruesome, if totally real, carnage. Now you're twisting that into a plea for reasoned coverage.

You should relax, it's ok to be biased, just own it. You're lowballing everything..

[Splits]

Fine, but, he was involved in criminal activity is all I'm saying.

He repented. He's a fine young man.

[midnightpulp]

Now you're moving goalposts in addition to getting all emo about being called out for your bias.

You said the media needed to tone down factual reporting on fatalities and gruesome, if totally real, carnage. Now you're twisting that into a plea for reasoned coverage.

You should relax, it's ok to be biased, just own it. You're lowballing everything..

No, no, no, no. YOU said that. I never said they needed to "tone it down." I said they need to present said factual reporting more accurately. They can flash the 120K total cases in the US on the screen to their heart's content, but a "responsible" presentation of those facts would look at how the US is doing on the front per capita. The "fact" is the US isn't the most infected country in the world (which is the hot headline right now). As I said earlier, I have little tolerance for simplistic presentation of facts.

You're the one not owning anything. But go ahead and enjoy the sensationalism, no one is stopping you.

[Winehole23]

Trying to Philo this :lol

Stressing people out for 3 months. No biggie. It's just stress. It certainly won't exacerbate symptoms of heart disease, high blood pressure, substance abuse, etc. Oh no. That never happens. Just keeping flashing those numbers on the tv and show footage of tanks transporting the dead in Italy.


Strawman. Who said anything about downplaying?

I'm saying reasoned analysis of the situation will go further than constantly flashing scary numbers on the screen in red. And stress doesn't kill people? The entire medical community disagrees with that.


Yes, but we also don't want to increase the severity of symptoms from those suffering from illnesses like depression, OCD, anxiety, (which is A LOT of people) and such, which could lead to higher frequencies of suicides, substance abuse, and the like over this time frame.


?

I'm just saying we don't know how "alarmist" we should be. Panicking is also detrimental to this fight, and the constant headlines of 84364583 new dead!!!!! flashed in big red numbers on the news outlets are counterproductive.


No, no, no, no. YOU said that. I never said they needed to "tone it down.".

[Winehole23]

You've already admitted to cheating to the low side of mortality estimates because you think it's corrective to putative media exaggeration that you're been waving your hands at without citing.

That's biased.

[Thread]

He repented. He's a fine young man.

Duly noted. I'm glad he turned it around. Surprised it hasn't hit the local Media here.

[DMC]

:lol Winehole quoting like 4 or 5 posts to prove someone said "tone it down" and none of them have "tone it down" or anything that hints "tone it down". Reporting facts isn't the same as toning down the reporting.

[DMC]

Prime example of arm flailing by the MSM to get clicks:

First death of infant in connection with coronavirus reported in the US
From CNN’s Hollie Silverman

A Chicago baby is the first infant death in the US associated with coronavirus, Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said Saturday.

"There has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant. A full investigation is underway to determine the cause of death," Ezike said. "We must do everything we can to prevent the spread of this deadly virus. If not to protect ourselves, but to protect those around us."
An investigation into the cause of death is underway, Ezike said.

The death of a child younger than one year with coronavirus has previously been reported in China. That child had a pre-existing condition.

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The intent of the title? To draw your mind's eye to the "no one is safe" narrative by "connected with" instead of "died from". Then they say the cause of death is unknown.

This shit has saturated the MSM and they are capitalizing on panic and sensationalism while doing the normal song and dance routine to avoid telling you the actual truth, you have to pick the articles apart to find the real story.

Some here latch onto the fear the MSM is sowing and they get pissed if everyone else doesn't see the sky is falling.

[midnightpulp]

:lol Winehole quoting like 4 or 5 posts to prove someone said "tone it down" and none of them have "tone it down" or anything that hints "tone it down". Reporting facts isn't the same as toning down the reporting.

Yep. Never once did I say tone it down. I'm not sure why he's picking this bone to death so much. Not sure what he gets out of it? I won't do the "we're all gonna die!!!!!" thing unless we really are all gonna die. I'm demanding mainstream media provide a counterbalance to those raw facts.

[Winehole23]

:lol Winehole quoting like 4 or 5 posts to prove someone said "tone it down" and none of them have "tone it down" or anything that hints "tone it down". Reporting facts isn't the same as toning down the reporting.MP was complaining about factual reporting in a totally non-specific, hand wavy way.

Reporting deaths and the breakdown of mortuary services in Italy isn't sensationalistic, it's the damn truth.

It was also a preview of what's happening in NYC now, and what will happen in other US cities and towns.

[midnightpulp]

Prime example of arm flailing by the MSM to get clicks:

First death of infant in connection with coronavirus reported in the US
From CNN’s Hollie Silverman

A Chicago baby is the first infant death in the US associated with coronavirus, Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said Saturday.

"There has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant. A full investigation is underway to determine the cause of death," Ezike said. "We must do everything we can to prevent the spread of this deadly virus. If not to protect ourselves, but to protect those around us."
An investigation into the cause of death is underway, Ezike said.

The death of a child younger than one year with coronavirus has previously been reported in China. That child had a pre-existing condition.

-----------------

The intent of the title? To draw your mind's eye to the "no one is safe" narrative by "connected with" instead of "died from". Then they say the cause of death is unknown.

This shit has saturated the MSM and they are capitalizing on panic and sensationalism while doing the normal song and dance routine to avoid telling you the actual truth, you have to pick the articles apart to find the real story.

Some here latch onto the fear the MSM is sowing and they get pissed if everyone else doesn't see the sky is falling.

Here's a great article by an EXPERT showing how deaths can be recorded, related to your example.


In an autopsy series that tested for respiratory viruses in specimens from 57 elderly persons who died during the 2016 to 2017 influenza season, influenza viruses were detected in 18% of the specimens, while any kind of respiratory virus was found in 47%. In some people who die from viral respiratory pathogens, more than one virus is found upon autopsy and bacteria are often superimposed. A positive test for coronavirus does not mean necessarily that this virus is always primarily responsible for a patient’s demise.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

[Winehole23]

Yep. Never once did I say tone it down. I'm not sure why he's picking this bone to death so much. Not sure what he gets out of it? I won't do the "we're all gonna die!!!!!" thing unless we really are all gonna die. I'm demanding mainstream media provide a counterbalance to those raw facts.^^^more hand waving. there's plenty of detailed, contextualized, nuanced coverage.

Is there sensationalism too? Sure.

Characterizing the news as sensationalism and nothing but is sensationalism too.

[midnightpulp]

^^^more hand waving. there's plenty of detailed, contextualized, nuanced coverage.

Is there sensationalism too? Sure.

Characterizing the news as sensationalism and nothing but is sensationalism too.

Not on the MSM channels I've seen. On alternative outlets, sure.

So what do you get out of this? What should be my "proper" reaction to this event?

[ChumpDumper]

Prime example of arm flailing by the MSM to get clicks:

First death of infant in connection with coronavirus reported in the US
From CNN’s Hollie Silverman

A Chicago baby is the first infant death in the US associated with coronavirus, Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said Saturday.

"There has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant. A full investigation is underway to determine the cause of death," Ezike said. "We must do everything we can to prevent the spread of this deadly virus. If not to protect ourselves, but to protect those around us."
An investigation into the cause of death is underway, Ezike said.

The death of a child younger than one year with coronavirus has previously been reported in China. That child had a pre-existing condition.

-----------------

The intent of the title? To draw your mind's eye to the "no one is safe" narrative by "connected with" instead of "died from". Then they say the cause of death is unknown.

This shit has saturated the MSM and they are capitalizing on panic and sensationalism while doing the normal song and dance routine to avoid telling you the actual truth, you have to pick the articles apart to find the real story.

Some here latch onto the fear the MSM is sowing and they get pissed if everyone else doesn't see the sky is falling.The Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH) today reported the death of an infant younger than one year in Chicago who tested positive for coronavirus disease (COVID-19).

I suppose they want to make sure it wasn't a false positive, etc., but that's straight from the department.

[Winehole23]

Not on the MSM channels I've seen. On alternative outlets, sure.

So what do you get out of this? What should be my "proper" reaction to this event?You're welcome to your own take, but the idea that your commentary on a politics discussion board is ideologically neutral or should be taken as such, strains plausibility.

[spurraider21]

:lol at none of the posts specifically saying the words "tone it down" even though the message was right there. its akin to chris's "never said such"

[spurraider21]

btw... over 500 deaths today. barely cracked 400 yesterday. less than 300 the day before

over 40% of all covid-19 deaths in the US have come in the last 2 days

[Winehole23]

btw... over 500 deaths today. barely cracked 400 yesterday. less than 300 the day beforeThat is factually correct, but saying so is simplistic and sensational.Better not to mention the death count at all, people might freak out or have an infarction.

[Winehole23]

over 40% of all covid-19 deaths in the US have come in the last 2 daysYELLOW JOURNALISM! YOU ARE TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE!

[midnightpulp]

That is factually correct, but saying so is simplistic and sensational.

It is. There's data lag with death counts. There's often co-morbidity in many patients so it's difficult to pin down what EXACTLY caused death (did you bother to read the article I posted?). On a per capita basis, we are 7 deaths per 1 million people vs. Italy's 166 per 1 million (who the mainstream media keeps saying we're on the path to becoming).

Will the mainstream media cite these facts during their reporting? No. They'll flash the numbers in red, while they breathlessly report on the carnage.

[spurraider21]

There's data lag with death counts.
yes which is why it was premature for people to declare things peachy based on early mortality rates and death counts. the rising death counts now shows how bad it had been then when people thought its just a flu. and no reason to think we're any better off now than we were a few days ago

[Winehole23]

It is. There's data lag with death counts. There's often co-morbidity in many patients so it's difficult to pin down what EXACTLY caused death (did you bother to read the article I posted?). On a per capita basis, we are 7 deaths per 1 million people vs. Italy's 166 per 1 million (who the mainstream media keeps saying we're on the path to becoming).

Will the mainstream media cite these facts during their reporting? No. They'll flash the numbers in red, while they breathlessly report on the carnage.Earlier you said we'd have to wait to get a true picture of the rate of mortality, now you insist on the early figure to back up your argument.

Seems you're speaking from either side of your mouth to suit the moment.

[midnightpulp]

yes which is why it was premature for people to declare things peachy based on early mortality rates and death counts. the rising death counts now shows how bad it had been then when people thought its just a flu. and no reason to think we're any better off now than we were a few days ago

Who declared anything peachy? I've said many times New York is in the crosshairs of this thing, and that is very troubling. But for all the reporting you'll see about New York, they will be ZERO mention of the situations in Florida, California, and Texas, and other less densely populated states. Florida tested the most people they did in a day and the returning positive count was encouraging. They're at about 40K total tests with a 9.4 percent positive. NY at 45K was at a 22 percent positive rate. This hopefully indicates spread in Florida (21 million people in the state) isn't nowhere near as severe.

They won't mention that New York's situation is limited to the city, with the rest of the state relatively quiet.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

You brought up 40 percent of US deaths have happening in the past few days, but New York has driven most of it. I'm not trying to say New York doesn't count, but the media will frame it like everywhere will become New York "soon." No mention of their population density, weather profile, and other factors that just make the city a patch of dry brush waiting for the lit match.

But maybe you're right. Maybe it's better to terrify people into staying home.

[midnightpulp]

Earlier you said we'd have to wait to get a true picture of the rate of mortality, now you insist on the early figure to back up your argument.

Seems you're speaking from either side of your mouth to suit the moment.

Yes, because we need mass testing of ALL cases to get that picture. Right now, they're just testing obvious cases, meaning we're getting a flood of deaths from the lag but not a flood a new cases to see where the true mortality rate might be headed. Mass testing is supposed to start soon, so we'll just have to wait. Read the Iceland study: https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/21/iceland-is-doing-science-50-of-people-with-covid-19-not-showing-symptoms-50-have-very-moderate-cold-symptoms/

Iceland mass tested everything, so this might be the clearest picture we have on true mortality rate. Their's is .2 percent, flu levels. But frustratingly, because they have such a small population, their 700+ plus sample size isn't enough.

[Winehole23]

That's very simplistic. You're minimizing again.

0.2% morbidity is near historically bad -- twice as deadly as the 1957 and 1968 pandemics.

[Winehole23]

(I notice you didn't deny being two-faced with statistics. I'll take that as tacit assent.)

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Chumpettes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtH-YTFCx9M

[Winehole23]

^^^gnawing ankles, nothing to add

[midnightpulp]

And as ^ a corollary to the Iceland study (from that same article):


These results echo the results of another statistically helpful case. The small Italian town of Vo is where the virus was first identified in Italy. All 3,300 people living there were tested after being put into lockdown. A total of 66 people, 3% of the population, tested positive for the virus. Perhaps most importantly, most of the infected had no symptoms. After two weeks of self-isolation, 6 people still tested positive but were without symptoms, meaning that prevalence of the virus had dropped by 90% (from 66 people to just 6 people) and all symptoms of the virus were gone.

BuzzFeed adds: “A study published on Monday in the magazine Science found that for every confirmed case of the virus there are likely another five to 10 people with undetected infections in the community.

Good and bad. Bad because these asymptomatic cases might spread. Good because it means many, many people have already had it and recovered and we expect this fact to aid in "flattening the curve." It'll also translate into a much lower true mortality rate. If I take the lower bound of 5x as many cases out there than reported, the adjusted mortality rate will be around .03. In the range of the flu.

There's my "optimism" for the day.

[DMC]

:lol at none of the posts specifically saying the words "tone it down" even though the message was right there. its akin to chris's "never said such"

Instead of pointing it out, you interject and infer it (again). It was already inferred and I didn't see it in the posts. Your obligatory :lol doesn't change that, philo.

Whataboutism noted though

[Winehole23]

Instead of pointing it out, you interject and infer it (again). It was already inferred and I didn't see it in the posts. Your obligatory :lol doesn't change that, philo.

Whataboutism noted though
Oh well, if you did not aee it, then it couldn't possibly be there.

[DMC]

Who declared anything peachy? I've said many times New York is in the crosshairs of this thing, and that is very troubling. But for all the reporting you'll see about New York, they will be ZERO mention of the situations in Florida, California, and Texas, and other less densely populated states. Florida tested the most people they did in a day and the returning positive count was encouraging. They're at about 40K total tests with a 9.4 percent positive. NY at 45K was at a 22 percent positive rate. This hopefully indicates spread in Florida (21 million people in the state) isn't nowhere near as severe.

They won't mention that New York's situation is limited to the city, with the rest of the state relatively quiet.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

You brought up 40 percent of US deaths have happening in the past few days, but New York has driven most of it. I'm not trying to say New York doesn't count, but the media will frame it like everywhere will become New York "soon." No mention of their population density, weather profile, and other factors that just make the city a patch of dry brush waiting for the lit match.

But maybe you're right. Maybe it's better to terrify people into staying home.

Obviously it's right there in your posts. You didn't have to use the word "peachy" you just said "we need more data" but anyone who isn't sucking Trump's nuts knows what you're saying.

[DMC]

Oh well, if you did not aee it, then it couldn't possibly be there.

He denies saying it. I didn't see it. Somehow you magically find it coded into those posts and now you want the benefit of doubt? :lol no

[DMC]

btw... over 500 deaths today. barely cracked 400 yesterday. less than 300 the day before

over 40% of all covid-19 deaths in the US have come in the last 2 days

What were the ages of those who died? No anecdotes about a baby or otherwise healthy dad of 6.

Also what percentage were in NY?

[midnightpulp]

(I notice you didn't deny being two-faced with statistics. I'll take that as tacit assent.)

No, you misconstrued my position, per usual in your little tiff with me here because I'm not building a bunker while CNN flashes the numbers on screen.

[Winehole23]

No, you misconstrued my position, per usual in your little tiff with me here because I'm not building a bunker while CNN flashes the numbers on screen.
Who's building a bunker?

I just walked to the corner for supplies. Might even go out on my bike for some light exercise.

[Winehole23]

He denies saying it. I didn't see it. Somehow you magically find it coded into those posts and now you want the benefit of doubt? :lol nosr21 saw it. Seemed plain enough to me too. MP was griping about the reported facts as such, for their putative impact on a callow viewing/reading public.

Neat trick that, holding journalists responsible for the (again, putative) simplicity of their audience.

[DMC]

Who's building a bunker?

I just walked to the corner for supplies. Might even go out on my bike for some light exercise.
Right, you just preach end times, Alex, you don't actually believe the shit.

[midnightpulp]

That's very simplistic. You're minimizing again.

0.2% morbidity is near historically bad -- twice as deadly as the 1957 and 1968 pandemics.

The 1958 pandemic killed 116,000 when the population was half the size. The flu usually infects 61 million per year. Cut that in half and 116000/31000000=0.38. I say flu levels because a nasty flu season anywhere in the world has a range of 0.1-1 percent morbidity.

[midnightpulp]

Who's building a bunker?

I just walked to the corner for supplies. Might even go out on my bike for some light exercise.

Then what is your fuckin' problem? I don't get your contention here.

[Winehole23]

The 1958 pandemic killed 116,000 when the population was half the size. The flu usually infects 61 million per year. Cut that in half and 116000/31000000=0.38. I say flu levels because a nasty flu season anywhere in the world has a range of 0.1-1 percent morbidity.
Yeah, that figure is pfa. I did a little reading. Morbidity in 1957 and 1968 was~ 0.1% each time.

When pressed, you make up plausible sounding shit without checking a thing .Sounds rational and knowledgeable, but it isn't.

Weak sauce, MP.

[midnightpulp]

Right, you just preach end times, Alex, you don't actually believe the shit.

I just think he enjoys the sensationalism or something. Not sure what his shtick here is, really. We should examine all the facts, and I feel it's the MSM's job to present all those facts, but he feels flashing numbers and footage of body bags and "Italy!" 24/7 is a more reasonable evaluation of the situation.

[DMC]

I just think he enjoys the sensationalism or something. Not sure what his shtick here is, really. We should examine all the facts, and I feel it's the MSM's job to present all those facts, but he feels flashing numbers and footage of body bags and "Italy!" 24/7 is a more reasonable evaluation of the situation.

He's always wringing his hands over something but obviously doesn't believe half of what he pretends to be so concerned about. If I was as worried as some of these folks seem to be, I damn sure wouldn't be out bike riding or walking a fuckin' dog.

[Winehole23]

Then what is your fuckin' problem? I don't get your contention here.My contention is that you're neither as studious nor as fact-bound as you give yourself out to be.

You've got an axe to grind, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's pretending you're some kind of Vulcan that grates.

[Nathan89]

Yes, because we need mass testing of ALL cases to get that picture. Right now, they're just testing obvious cases, meaning we're getting a flood of deaths from the lag but not a flood a new cases to see where the true mortality rate might be headed. Mass testing is supposed to start soon, so we'll just have to wait. Read the Iceland study: https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/21/iceland-is-doing-science-50-of-people-with-covid-19-not-showing-symptoms-50-have-very-moderate-cold-symptoms/

Iceland mass tested everything, so this might be the clearest picture we have on true mortality rate. Their's is .2 percent, flu levels. But frustratingly, because they have such a small population, their 700+ plus sample size isn't enough.

Is that Iceland study just for those that currently have covid or was it capable of determining who had it in the past? Because the other study mentioned in the article stated 90% didn't test positive after two weeks.

[DMC]

My contention is that you're neither as studious nor as fact-bound as you give yourself out to be.

You've got an axe to grind, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's pretending you're some kind of Vulcan that grates.

The default accusation here (when losing) is that your opponent is a hypocrite. It's the number 1 go to for the forum. It says nothing about the argument your opponent is making.

[Winehole23]

He's always wringing his hands over something but obviously doesn't believe half of what he pretends to be so concerned about. If I was as worried as some of these folks seem to be, I damn sure wouldn't be out bike riding or walking a fuckin' dog.
You impute worry. It's discussion.

Hard to have a conversation about a pandemic without reference to mortality, rate of infection and human suffering.

In this case, it's causing a global economic contraction in addition to beaucoup pestilence and suffering -- and has dramatic political ramifications too

How does one talk about bad/challenging/gruesome stuff without mentioning it?

[RandomGuy]

Yes, but we also don't want to increase the severity of symptoms from those suffering from illnesses like depression, OCD, anxiety, (which is A LOT of people) and such, which could lead to higher frequencies of suicides, substance abuse, and the like over this time frame.

Sure that all happens. Will those problems kill more people in the next two months than the virus?

[RandomGuy]

The default accusation here (when losing) is that your opponent is a hypocrite. It's the number 1 go to for the forum. It says nothing about the argument your opponent is making.

No-Take McGurk trying to call people out for not having takes. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, that figure is pfa. I did a little reading. Morbidity in 1957 and 1968 was~ 0.1% each time.

When pressed, you make up plausible sounding shit without checking a thing .Sounds rational and knowledgeable, but it isn't.

Weak sauce, MP.

It's the CDC's own figure (the 116K):

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1957-1958-pandemic.html

Not everyone in the country comes down with the flu every year. In 1958, the US population was 175 million. Every year about 60 million people get infected. Our current population is double that, so do the math. Where's your data coming from? I'm googling but can't find a clear mortality rate.

[midnightpulp]

Is that Iceland study just for those that currently have covid or was it capable of determining who had it in the past? Because the other study mentioned in the article stated 90% didn't test positive after two weeks.

Current cases. Yeah, we won't know the actual mortality rate until we antibody test and see how many likely got it.

[Nathan89]

Current cases. Yeah, we won't know the actual mortality rate until we antibody test and see how many likely got it.

You'd think there would be a good study including antibody testing already. Even if you can't mass antibody test you can still do whatever it takes to get some data.

[midnightpulp]

My contention is that you're neither as studious nor as fact-bound as you give yourself out to be.

You've got an axe to grind, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's pretending you're some kind of Vulcan that grates.

Maybe your perception is seeing things that aren't there (aka projection). And all I've done is post facts after facts after facts. Apparently you aren't reading the links. Now you'll pivot to my 1958 flu number as "proof" of my not being studious, but I actually could not find a US mortality rate. Only the estimated death toll from the CDC's website.

[RandomGuy]

in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.


Marked.

Happened in about five days. 20k+ cases diagnosed in the last day.

[Thread]

Happened in about five days. 20k+ cases diagnosed in the last day.

(deaths, dum-dum, not cases.)

[Thread]

[[[The CDC estimates that so far there have been at least 24,000 deaths from flu, 39 million flu illnesses and 400,000 hospitalizations
Cdc]]]

[pgardn]

You'd think there would be a good study including antibody testing already. Even if you can't mass antibody test you can still do whatever it takes to get some data.

Imo we got fortunate to have an antibody test this early.
It can take much longer.

[Winehole23]

Maybe your perception is seeing things that aren't there (aka projection). And all I've done is post facts after facts after facts. Apparently you aren't reading the links. Now you'll pivot to my 1958 flu number as "proof" of my not being studious, but I actually could not find a US mortality rate. Only the estimated death toll from the CDC's website.see table 1 in this NIH paper

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4982429/#Sec1title

[Winehole23]

Having skimmed through a few sources, it's striking how much variation there is -- I see US gross mortality for flu that varies between ~33,000 and ~100,000 in 1968. Suggests there's an "artistic" dimension to the epidemiology. It's certainly not exact. Something similar goes for mortality rates.

[midnightpulp]

Having skimmed through a few sources, it's striking how much variation there is -- I see US gross mortality for flu that varies between ~33,000 and ~100,000 in 1968. Suggests there's an "artistic" dimension to the epidemiology. It's certainly not exact. Something similar goes for mortality rates.

Guess this is the first common ground we'll find. That's why qualify with "range." Flu can be .1 to 1 percent depending. I just find the Iceland study encouraging because .2 is a hell of a lot better than 1.6 or 4 or 10 percent (Italy).

[Thread]

Having skimmed through a few sources, it's striking how much variation there is -- I see US gross mortality for flu that varies between ~33,000 and ~100,000 in 1968. Suggests there's an "artistic" dimension to the epidemiology. It's certainly not exact. Something similar goes for mortality rates.


Guess this is the first common ground we'll find. That's why qualify with "range." Flu can be .1 to 1 percent depending. I just find the Iceland study encouraging because .2 is a hell of a lot better than 1.6 or 4 or 10 percent (Italy).

The old Winester & the old Midst finding common ground.

Bless-your-hearts.

[ElNono]

The old Winester & the old Midst finding common ground.

Bless-your-hearts.

Amen, as Pheno would say.

[RandomGuy]

in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.


Marked.

Happened in about five days. 20k+ cases diagnosed in the last day.



(deaths, dum-dum, not cases.)

I know.

Poorly worded post.

Should read:
1k per day deaths happened in about five days. Not going down, as we have 20k new cases diagnosed in the last day.

[DMC]

You impute worry. It's discussion.

Hard to have a conversation about a pandemic without reference to mortality, rate of infection and human suffering.

In this case, it's causing a global economic contraction in addition to beaucoup pestilence and suffering -- and has dramatic political ramifications too

How does one talk about bad/challenging/gruesome stuff without mentioning it?

Nah, it's worry, at least on the surface. I've seen almost zero discussion on progress or ideas toward progress, only gloom and doom predictions and scoreboarding new round number thresholds.

[DMC]

Happened in about five days. 20k+ cases diagnosed in the last day.




I know.

Poorly worded post.

Should read:
1k per day deaths happened in about five days. Not going down, as we have 20k new cases diagnosed in the last day.

When has there been 1K deaths in one day in the US?

[Thread]

Happened in about five days. 20k+ cases diagnosed in the last day.




I know.

Poorly worded post.

Should read:
1k per day deaths happened in about five days. Not going down, as we have 20k new cases diagnosed in the last day.

Sweet of ya to take me offin' your [Ignore List], RG.

[ElNono]

When has there been 1K deaths in one day in the US?

Pearl Harbor... IIRC, over 2000

[Splits]

Pearl Harbor... IIRC, over 2000


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9jS4gppIFs

[Winehole23]

Nah, it's worry, at least on the surface. I've seen almost zero discussion on progress or ideas toward progress, only gloom and doom predictions and scoreboarding new round number thresholds.Nah, you made up your mind and ignore anything that does not agree.

]I posted about antibody testing in NYC last night, and have been stressing the importance of mass testing and social tracking for weeks -- precisely to avoid gloomier outcomes.

The way you and other posters pooh pooh a deadly pandemic that is wrecking great cities and has tipped much of the world into recession already, underscores your callousness. It's a kind of indoctrinated feeble-mindedness.

This is an epochal event like the 2008-9 recession. In terms of economic wreckage and human misery it will easily outstrip it. Characterizing the danger, death, dislocation and misery as media hype misses the truth badly and arguably makes it worse.

Death and caseloads aren't a scoreboard. They're a measure of how bad the pandemic is. Ignoring/downplaying caseloads and death because you don't like them -- as our President has done -- courts even more of the same.

[Winehole23]

As for prediction, feel free to point out which ones of mine you think are wrong. The lack of mass testing and social tracking in the US so far, guarantees worse result than South Korea and Singapore.

[RandomGuy]

I posted about antibody testing in NYC last night, and have been stressing the importance of mass testing and social tracking for weeks -- precisely to avoid gloomier outcomes.

The way you and other posters pooh pooh a deadly pandemic that is wrecking great cities and has tipped much of the world into recession already, underscores your callousness. It's a kind of indoctrinated feeble-mindedness.

This is an epochal event like the 2008-9 recession. In terms of economic wreckage and human misery it will easily outstrip it. Characterizing the danger, death, dislocation and misery as media hype misses the truth badly and arguably makes it worse.

Death and caseloads aren't a scoreboard. They're a measure of how bad the pandemic is. Ignoring/downplaying caseloads and death because you don't like them -- as our President has done -- courts even more of the same.

This is what I mean by that "tone at the top". The initial impulse by Trump and co. to minimize the PR damage by minimizing the threat itself soaked into the hive collective consciousness.

To be fair, it is made worse by the fact that a lot of left-leaning media is playing up everything for ratings, which makes that right-wing collective brain dig-in to that stance in many ways.

It simply highlights the most cultish aspect of the Trump party.

[Winehole23]

This is what I mean by that "tone at the top". The initial impulse by Trump and co. to minimize the PR damage by minimizing the threat itself soaked into the hive collective consciousness.

To be fair, it is made worse by the fact that a lot of left-leaning media is playing up everything for ratings, which makes that right-wing collective brain dig-in to that stance in many ways.

It simply highlights the most cultish aspect of the Trump party.Maybe newsgathering shouldn't be a for profit enterprise. Celebrity, fear and sensationalism get ratings but aren't a good way to inform and educate.

Pro-Publica and the Texas Tribune are two non-profit examples.

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This is what I mean by that "tone at the top". The initial impulse by Trump and co. to minimize the PR damage by minimizing the threat itself soaked into the hive collective consciousness.

To be fair, it is made worse by the fact that a lot of left-leaning media is playing up everything for ratings, which makes that right-wing collective brain dig-in to that stance in many ways.

It simply highlights the most cultish aspect of the Trump party.

That's it & that's all.

RG

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Maybe newsgathering shouldn't be a for profit enterprise. Celebrity, fear and sensationalism get ratings but aren't a good way to inform and educate.

Pro-Publica and the Texas Tribune are two non-profit examples.

Once Trump is out it'll be fine. The "newsgathering" will be for a good cause, therefore the "profit enterprise" won't stink anymore.

Just bad luck Corona came by when Trump is President.

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Update (28 March 2020---8AM):::

Corona dead: 1590
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Update (29 March 2020---7AM):::

Corona dead: 2043
Regular Flu dead: 24+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

Once Trump is out it'll be fine. The "newsgathering" will be for a good cause, therefore the "profit enterprise" won't stink anymore.

Just bad luck Corona came by when Trump is President.Nah, it's a problem in general. Not everything is about Trump.

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Nah, it's a problem in general. Not everything is about Trump.

Please.

You'll be amazed.

[Winehole23]

Update (29 March 2020---7AM):::

Corona dead: 2043
Regular Flu dead: 24+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...What's your source for the stats?

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What's your source for the stats?

CNN cable channel. for the Corona dead.
CDC for the Regular Flu death count...they increased that # by a grand in the past 24 hours.
Spanish Flu & Obama's H1N1 Flu thru Google searches.

[Winehole23]

Update (29 March 2020---7AM):::

Corona dead: 2043
Regular Flu dead: 24+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...US deaths doubled in 2-3 days. At this rate the COVID-19 death toll since Feb 29 could surpass the 12 month H1N1 tally sometime next week.

[Winehole23]

CNN cable channel. for the Corona dead.
CDC for the Regular Flu death count...they increased that # by a grand in the past 24 hours.
Spanish Flu & Obama's H1N1 Flu thru Google searches.Thanks

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US deaths doubled in two days. At this rate the death toll since Feb 29 could surpass the 12 month H1N1 tally sometime next week.

I'm just trying to head Splits off before he hits that grand a day prediction. If I can get till tomorrow morning's count without hitting much more than 700 I should be safe. I'm at about 450 dead right now.

[Winehole23]

I'm just trying to head Splits off before he hits that grand a day prediction. If I can get till tomorrow morning's count without hitting much more than 700 I should be safe. I'm at about 450 dead right now.What did y'all stake?

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What did y'all stake?

Nothing, thank Christ.

Early on after the bet I was tempted to stake our presence here. :wow

[monosylab1k]

Nothing, thank Christ.

Early on after the bet I was tempted to stake our presence here. :wow

Wouldn’t be the first time you lost an ELE :smokin

[pgardn]

Pearl Harbor... IIRC, over 2000

Hmmm...

I would have thought 9-11
Maybe they don’t count 1 day digging out bodies over many days.

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Wouldn’t be the first time you lost an ELE :smokin

I was given grace those times.

[chunticakes]

I was given grace those times.

And it's a good thing too. I need more recipes for the quarantine, tbh..

[Splits]

I'm just trying to head Splits off before he hits that grand a day prediction. If I can get till tomorrow morning's count without hitting much more than 700 I should be safe. I'm at about 450 dead right now.

lmao you honestly think there's a chance of under 1k by Friday? Yesterday was 525. There's no evidence the doubling rate is going to miraculously extend to 6 days.