Most Valuable Athlete In All Of Sports Now?

[Spurtacular]

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[Spurtacular]

I remember when this guy was supposed to be the next Gretzky.

He had a pretty good career. Expectations were just too damn high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Lindros

[Spurtacular]

MLB - Mike Trout
NHL - Blues
NBA - Sad
NFL - Mahomes
Soccer - England

[ambchang]

I remember when this guy was supposed to be the next Gretzky.

He had a pretty good career. Expectations were just too damn high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Lindros

Gretzky was finesse. Lindros was a tough guy. Their games were so different. Maybe Lindros could’ve been the next Bobby Hull.

[FrostKing]

Mahomes shit the bed in the Championship game and his team still won. So you can go ahead and cross his name off

[FrostKing]

Gretzky was finesse. Lindros was a tough guy. Their games were so different. Maybe Lindros could’ve been the next Bobby Hull.
Yes because of his physicality, one could argue at their best Lindross had more control over a game. But he just wasn't as consistent (injuries specifically head) and his somewhat quiet demeanor made people question his commitment. During his tenure the Flyers were also regarded as one of the most over hyped in postseason. They finally broke thru in 1997 and ran into a very hungry and revengeful Red Wings team.

[Spurtacular]

Mahomes shit the bed in the Championship game and his team still won. So you can go ahead and cross his name off

Don't know what you were watching. Dude had some human moments; but he was a stud all year.

[FrostKing]

Don't know what you were watching. Dude had some human moments; but he was a stud all year.
Mahomes had one of the worst games of his career (in the most important game) and his team still Won

Rodgers had a superior performance against the same opponent (2 weeks earlier) and his team was boat rolled

Rodgers is "more valuable" to his team than Mahomes.

[DAF86]

How can a guy that comes from missing the playoffs be the most valuable player in sports? :lol Lebron isn't even the best player in basketball.

Mahomes isn't the most valuable player in sports either. Put Wilson on Mahomes place and the Chiefs ring too.

The most valuble player (in US) sports is Kawhi, untill somebody knocks him out in the playoffs.

[DAF86]

Mahomes had one of the worst games of his career (in the most important game) and his team still Won

Rodgers had a superior performance against the same opponent (2 weeks earlier) and his team was boat rolled

Rodgers is "more valuable" to his team than Mahomes.

lol Rodgers was a non-factor on that game. He just stat padded when the game was out of reach, which was midway through the 2nd quarter. :lol

[TD 21]

How can a guy that comes from missing the playoffs be the most valuable player in sports? :lol Lebron isn't even the best player in basketball.

Mahomes isn't the most valuable player in sports either. Put Wilson on Mahomes place and the Chiefs ring too.

The most valuble player (in US) sports is Kawhi, untill somebody knocks him out in the playoffs.

:lmao At the cuckold, hipster take.

[DAF86]

:lmao At the cuckold, hipster take.

First of all, fuck Kawhi. Second, I'm not going to let emotions cloud my judgment. That's what sensitive bitches do, tbh.

[TD 21]

First of all, fuck Kawhi. Second, I'm not going to let emotions cloud my judgment. That's what sensitive bitches do, tbh.

Neither am I . . . I'm going to let logic do it.

[Spurtacular]

I'll take prime Rodgers over prime Mahomes all day. But I think Rodgers is a bit on the downhill now. Mahomes probably won't be fairing nearly as well as Rodgers when he loses a half step like Rodgers has because his throwing abilities are not nearly as pronounced.

That said, I could see the Chiefs having won it with Rodgers. By no means do I think there's a chasm between the two.

[Spurtacular]

First of all, fuck Kawhi.

Second of all, too. Fuck that nigga.

[Will Hunting]

Mahomes isn't the most valuable player in sports either. Put Wilson on Mahomes place and the Chiefs ring too.
Aren’t you a Mahomes fan? I don’t see Wilson being able to lead a 24 point comeback against Houston.

[i'm_still_beta]

Why everybody so obsessed with big games? How is shitting the bed in wild card or divisional round is better then doing the same in Super Bowl? Why 4 in 4 is better then 5 in 7 for example?

[Neo.]

How can a guy that comes from missing the playoffs be the most valuable player in sports? :lol Lebron isn't even the best player in basketball.

Mahomes isn't the most valuable player in sports either. Put Wilson on Mahomes place and the Chiefs ring too.

The most valuble player (in US) sports is Kawhi, untill somebody knocks him out in the playoffs.

you are literally retarded :lmao :lmao :lmao

[DAF86]

Aren’t you a Mahomes fan? I don’t see Wilson being able to lead a 24 point comeback against Houston.

Yes, but like I said:


I'm not going to let emotions cloud my judgment.

I call it like I see it. I might be right or wrong but I try to give the most objective opinions possible. That's why I say that Vick and Iverson are hugely overrated despite both being my favourite players ever in their respective sports.

And yeah, maybe Wilson wouldn't have came back from 24-0, but maybe he wouldn't have fallen 24-0 in the first place. When I compare Wilson and Mahomes I'm comparing skillsets, and I think we all agree they are pretty similar players. I have no doubt my mind that if Wilson was the one under Reid's system throwing it to Hill, Kelce, Watkins, etc. he would be the one seen as the best QB in the league right now, not Mahomes. Like I have said before in the Manning/Brady arguments we have had, circumstances play a big role.

[DAF86]

you are literally retarded :lmao :lmao :lmao

Dude, who the fuck are you? I don't know if this is an alt account or what. I have never seen you provide a take of any sort. All I've seen you do is follow people around saying "lol you retarded" and shit like that. I hope this is an internet persona and you aren't as sorry a person in real life as you are here, tbh. Messi bless son.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/NFt0Hk6/Screenshot-2020-04-01-14-19-54-1.png

As a MJ supporter, this surprised me. I have to roll my eyes. For example how can you rank Jordan over Laettner in College?

[Neo.]

Dude, who the fuck are you? I don't know if this is an alt account or what. I have never seen you provide a take of any sort. All I've seen you do is follow people around saying "lol you retarded" and shit like that. I hope this is an internet persona and you aren't as sorry a person in real life as you are here, tbh. Messi bless son.

most valuable player in sports is kawhi, despite the fact that his teams are still very good before he arrives, while hes injured, and after he leaves :lmao :lmao :lmao

[DAF86]

most valuable player in sports is kawhi, despite the fact that his teams are still very good before he arrives, while hes injured, and after he leaves :lmao :lmao :lmao

The Spurs went from being a 60 something wins team with him, to a borderline playoffs team without him. The Raptors didn't sniff a championship without him, and won't sniff a championship without him anytime soon.

How good the Raptors did in the regular season without him doesn't matter. When the playoffs arrive (if they arrive somewhen) they will be missing that ultimate bucket getter and bucket stopper that is Kawhi. Because that's Kawhi's biggest strength: when the going gets tough, assholes get tight, ball movement stops and all the role players are there watching while standing still, Kawhi is the guy you want most to get You a bucket (or prevent one). Not Lebron, not Giannis, not Harden, not anyone. Kawhi, with that bot-like midrange jumper of his, is the one that gets shit done at the highest level in the NBA right now.

[Spurtacular]

Dude, who the fuck are you?

One of slob's alts.

[Spurtacular]

https://i.ibb.co/NFt0Hk6/Screenshot-2020-04-01-14-19-54-1.png

As a MJ supporter, this surprised me. I have to roll my eyes. For example how can you rank Jordan over Laettner in College?

That is totally lame. Media are such cum guzzlers.

[ambchang]

https://i.ibb.co/NFt0Hk6/Screenshot-2020-04-01-14-19-54-1.png

As a MJ supporter, this surprised me. I have to roll my eyes. For example how can you rank Jordan over Laettner in College?

Worthy and Perkins were the go to guys on that team.

Reminds me of when Harvard was voted having the best undergraduate business program despite not having one.

In twenty years’ time, lebron and Kobe will be known as the best college players of all time.

[TD 21]

The Spurs went from being a 60 something wins team with him, to a borderline playoffs team without him. The Raptors didn't sniff a championship without him, and won't sniff a championship without him anytime soon.

How good the Raptors did in the regular season without him doesn't matter. When the playoffs arrive (if they arrive somewhen) they will be missing that ultimate bucket getter and bucket stopper that is Kawhi. Because that's Kawhi's biggest strength: when the going gets tough, assholes get tight, ball movement stops and all the role players are there watching while standing still, Kawhi is the guy you want most to get You a bucket (or prevent one). Not Lebron, not Giannis, not Harden, not anyone. Kawhi, with that bot-like midrange jumper of his, is the one that gets shit done at the highest level in the NBA right now.


:lmao Of course they did. They handed away an elite role player with him and left themselves bereft of 3 and D wings (aka the consensus most valuable archetype in today's game) and the most ill-fitting roster in the league. They still made the playoffs twice without him.

The Raptors had James and the Warriors in their way, no superstar, a lack of 3 and D wings and a cancerous 2nd best player. Scumbag, the senile Spurs front office and fate removed all of them from the picture.

They more than likely can't "win" a championship without him, but they're still a top 4 team and capable of giving the Bucks or L.A. teams a scare at the very least.

Scumbag is still a pathetic play maker and elite play making is as valuable as elite ISO scoring. He's been lucky to be on the most complete team in the league his entire career and win 2 championships where the path was cleared.

[Neo.]

The Spurs went from being a 60 something wins team with him, to a borderline playoffs team without him. The Raptors didn't sniff a championship without him, and won't sniff a championship without him anytime soon.

no one is saying he wasnt a piece to make good teams better, or that his teams would win championships without him. just that his teams were already very good before him, after him, and while he was injured

its not like how the cavs and heat immediately turned into lottery teams once lebron left, despite keeping the remaining core together

even last year, lebron was on pace to pull off another pretty impressive feat with the lakers, as he took a team near the bottom of the conference, to being a top 4 seed nearly halfway through the season. then injuries completely demolished them.


How good the Raptors did in the regular season without him doesn't matter. When the playoffs arrive (if they arrive somewhen) they will be missing that ultimate bucket getter and bucket stopper that is Kawhi. Because that's Kawhi's biggest strength: when the going gets tough, assholes get tight, ball movement stops and all the role players are there watching while standing still, Kawhi is the guy you want most to get You a bucket (or prevent one). Not Lebron, not Giannis, not Harden, not anyone. Kawhi, with that bot-like midrange jumper of his, is the one that gets shit done at the highest level in the NBA right now.

thats all great, but it still doesn't change the fact that his teams are still very solid without him

is he a very valuable player? sure

but id say its quite a stretch to say that his ability to hit tough midrange jumpers in crunchtime in one run to a championship suddenly qualifies him to be unquestionably the most valuable player in all of sports, especially when the team they faced in the finals had two of their best three players hurt, and they still nearly took it to game 7

and i dont even think you can say hes unquestionably the best clutch option either. he's had a nice run for a year, but lets see a longer history of this first before crowning him so quickly, when you have guys like Lebron and KD who have had years of bigtime shots and clutch moments, as well as far superior vision and ball handling. lets also not overlook the fact that on many occasions GS trapped him and he often looked lost as to what to do, and on many of those occasions was bailed out by Lowry and Van Vleet creating something out of nothing with a short shot clock. if a team has no fear of doubling you and forcing the ball out of your hands, that takes away the "bucket getter" advantage. he has some definite holes in his game that can be exploited in the crunch as well, but due to major injuries, GS simply didn't have the players to do so consistently. id say the only reason GS didn't double him more, was not because kawhi knew how to make the right play, but because lowry and VV was just destroying anyone who guarded them. if they had both klay and KD on defense, thats not nearly as big of a problem

i dont question that hes valuable to a team, but with such a small history, and the fact that the vast majority of his value comes in 1-on-1 scoring situations (on both sides, yes), i just dont see how he can be so unquestionably the most valuable player to any team in all of sports. that's just ridiculous. and completely retarded.

[Spurtacular]

The closest thing I've seen to the truth (from some odd years back; back when people weren't such shameless player fans).

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2. Pete Maravich
3. Lew Alcindor
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