Why Pop Might Come Back for Another Season [Archive]

KobesAchilles

04-01-2020, 11:19 AM

2021 is a moot season anyway so I’m ok with him coming back. Only reason why Poop is coming back is bc of the Olympics. No other reason. Thankfully the only damage Poop can do is short term bc all the contracts end at the end of next year. Yes Brynt Formes will get a 3 year 20+ million dollar deal but he will only start next year. I just pray to goodness that Brian Wrong has the balls to make that 3rd year a team option. Also maybe CIA Pop but I don’t think Poetl is getting that many big offers from teams and we can re-sign him on the cheap.

Contracts that end next year: Gay, LMA, Patty, DeRozan, Trey (he’s coming back), White, and Metu.
Also the Spurs have the team option on: Walker, Luka, and KJ to deal with. The Spurs will be forced to go with the youth movement.

Dex

04-01-2020, 11:40 AM

DPG21920

04-01-2020, 12:25 PM

I know Pop made some questionable decisions this season...but I still think delivering 5 rings to San Antonio should earn some grace for a couple sub-par seasons in the wake of the Kawhi fiasco...and all that coming off the death of his wife.

I think the people who think Becky or anyone else is gonna take over and suddenly make us a 60-win team again is being extremely shortsighted.

Don’t think anyone thinks that. I think they expect a coach to use common sense though and build for the future vs losing and hurting the future at the same time.

DPG21920

04-01-2020, 12:28 PM

Thanks OP!

Happy to see Pop come back. Nobody wants this season (with all the problems in the world) as their last.

That’s the problem. OP didn’t say Pop is coming back because he has the fire and this season bothered him. It’s again a selfish reason; he’s concerned about the optics of leaving and coaching the National Team.

NT is his goal (which he deserves), not the Spurs.

It’s clear he doesn’t have it any longer regarding the nba (meaning the passion and lack of ego - not saying that in a negative way either) but he’s going to do what’s right for him and not the team.

And I’m fine with Pop staying another year just hope he checks his ego at the door and embraces the future of this team vs selfish and meaningless pursuits. He has to adapt and show a little more respect for the job despite it not being what he imagined (despite that being his fault with what he built).

ElNono

04-01-2020, 02:07 PM

:vomit:

ducks

04-01-2020, 03:09 PM

Spurs front office needs go grow balls and fire his ass

ducks

04-01-2020, 03:12 PM

I know Pop made some questionable decisions this season...but I still think delivering 5 rings to San Antonio should earn some grace for a couple sub-par seasons in the wake of the Kawhi fiasco...and all that coming off the death of his wife.

I think the people who think Becky or anyone else is gonna take over and suddenly make us a 60-win team again is being extremely shortsighted.

So he has 5 rings and chased off Leonard spurs signed someone and can not agree basketball talk with him
Holds press conferences to tell people how bad the president is and bashes the media all the time otherwise
He is not imo a role model
He lost his hungry for titles and that is what counts
They should be nothing more important then basketball for the coach of the spurs !

spurs50_

04-01-2020, 03:31 PM

In other words we are screwed..

Ed Helicopter Jones

04-01-2020, 03:39 PM

This would have been a crappy way for him to go out. I'm glad that the thought is that he's coming back.

With the Olympics being pushed off a year perhaps he can focus on the Spurs, and show the world one last time what a great coach he is. His stubbornness has frustrated me a bit over the years, but I've never thought of him as anything but a great coach. This past season had me scratching my head a bit, but I think the commitment to the national team, and his personal losses took the wind out of his sails this year more than he probably cares to admit.

I'd love to see him out there laughing and having fun, and have an energetic last season, because this year it was obvious that he was going through motions in-game, with preseason planning, and with in-season adjustments. It was like I was watching a different coach out there than I'm used to seeing.

Come back Pop!

Bynumite

04-01-2020, 03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLVb2r13bc

TD 21

04-01-2020, 04:19 PM

Not surprising, but expect more of the same . . .

- Retaining the "mid 3" and losing them for nothing the following off season so that he can avoid coaching a re-building team.

- Re-signing and overpaying Forbes because he fits his rigid image of what a Spur should be.

- Continuing to screw over the youth and hampering the organizational reputation among American millennials by pretending this is the old days.

- Virtually everything about the team being archaic, joyless and stale.

I know Pop made some questionable decisions this season...but I still think delivering 5 rings to San Antonio should earn some grace for a couple sub-par seasons in the wake of the Kawhi fiasco...and all that coming off the death of his wife.

I think the people who think Becky or anyone else is gonna take over and suddenly make us a 60-win team again is being extremely shortsighted.

The usual apologist take, where he's given too much credit (:lmao at "delivered" for riding the coattails of greatness, which he was instantly exposed without) and absolved of blame.

It took him about 5 minutes to undo nearly 30 years of work from the greatness he had the privilege of coaching and turn a should be promising situation into among the worst in the league.

I don't care how badly Scumbag destroyed his value, no grace for giving away a top five player and two elite role players and teeing up said Scumbag to boost his "legacy" and reputation, while destroying the organization's in the process.

Dex

04-01-2020, 04:36 PM

So he has 5 rings and chased off Leonard spurs signed someone and can not agree basketball talk with him
Holds press conferences to tell people how bad the president is and bashes the media all the time otherwise
He is not imo a role model
He lost his hungry for titles and that is what counts
They should be nothing more important then basketball for the coach of the spurs !

Pop is as shooters go

Not surprising, but expect more of the same . . .

- Retaining the "mid 3" and losing them for nothing the following off season so that he can avoid coaching a re-building team.

- Re-signing and overpaying Forbes because he fits his rigid image of what a Spur should be.

- Continuing to screw over the youth and hampering the organizational reputation among American millennials by pretending this is the old days.

- Virtually everything about the team being archaic, joyless and stale.

The usual apologist take, where he's given too much credit (:lmao at "delivered" for riding the coattails of greatness, which he was instantly exposed without) and absolved of blame.

It took him about 5 minutes to undo nearly 30 years of work from the greatness he had the privilege of coaching and turn a should be promising situation into among the worst in the league.

I don't care how badly Scumbag destroyed his value, no grace for giving away a top five player and two elite role players and teeing up said Scumbag to boost his "legacy" and reputation, while destroying the organization's in the process.

Destroyed the organization's reputation and legacy? Please, be a bit more dramatic....

UZER

04-01-2020, 04:56 PM

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TD 21

04-01-2020, 05:14 PM

Destroyed the organization's reputation and legacy? Please, be a bit more dramatic....

Ah, right on schedule; it's change the subject time to make this about me instead of your leader co-destroying this franchise . . .

Dex

04-01-2020, 05:34 PM

Ah, right on schedule; it's change the subject time to make this about me instead of your leader co-destroying this franchise . . .

Don't take it personal. You are allowed to dislike Pop.

I'm allowed to think you are wrong for doing so based on a couple bad seasons that were bound to come once the Big 3 retired.

I've gone on record as saying Pop hasn't been perfect the past couple seasons. But that doesn't change what he achieved over 20 years.

People like to have a scapegoat. You obviously have yours.

Stay safe, my friend.

spurs10

04-01-2020, 05:54 PM

Thanks OP!

Happy to see Pop come back. Nobody wants this season (with all the problems in the world) as their last. Yeah this is a bad season to walk away!

TD 21

04-01-2020, 06:14 PM

Don't take it personal. You are allowed to dislike Pop.

I'm allowed to think you are wrong for doing so based on a couple bad seasons that were bound to come once the Big 3 retired.

I've gone on record as saying Pop hasn't been perfect the past couple seasons. But that doesn't change what he achieved over 20 years.

People like to have a scapegoat. You obviously have yours.

Stay safe, my friend.

So sick of hearing that from apologists/casuals. Even with Scumbag destroying his value, they gave away a top five player and two elite role players, didn't get a single core building block back and formed the most ill-fitting team imaginable. None of that has anything to do with the biggest 3 aging out.

Despite trading one of the two best players moved in recent years, of all the superstar/star traded, they have by far the least to show for it.

He was the beneficiary of the utopian existence that was created by Robinson and Duncan and carried out by various others. The second he didn't have that, he was exposed and proven to be in over his head operating in the real NBA.

Nah, I have something better than that: reality.

Mugen

04-01-2020, 06:57 PM

This might be the worst news of 2020 tbh.

MultiTroll

04-01-2020, 07:29 PM

https://i.imgflip.com/3v0l25.jpg

TDMVPDPOY

04-01-2020, 08:13 PM

another year of bullshit? gtfo

MultiTroll

04-01-2020, 08:51 PM

Pop Patty n Bryn for life! :cheer:pop::cheer

tbdog

04-01-2020, 09:07 PM

Yes please. This place will get a rude awakening once he leaves.

MultiTroll

04-01-2020, 09:22 PM

Yes please. This place will get a rude awakening once he leaves.
https://i.imgflip.com/3v0z32.jpg

tbdog

04-01-2020, 09:27 PM

https://i.imgflip.com/3v0z32.jpg

He won the the title in 2014 against that super stacked Heat team, with only one allstar in Parker who was injured.

talkspurs

04-01-2020, 09:36 PM

So for all those that say Pop should not go out on a bad season. If this season was to finish how it was looking would you still say he should come back. If he comes back next year and he does worse should he come back the year after that to avoid going out on a bad season.

MultiTroll

04-01-2020, 09:38 PM

He won the the title in 2014 against that super stacked Heat team, with only one allstar in Parker who was injured.
You can't be serious.

tbdog

04-01-2020, 10:01 PM

You can't be serious.

Then debunk me

MultiTroll

04-01-2020, 10:23 PM

Then debunk me
Timmy Duncan came off a very upsetting divorce and was kicking ass and taking names, super motivated to Championship. All Popped had to do was sit on the bench and stay the hell out of the way after his 2013 screw up.

Media and Phan selected All Star teams are meaningless. Parker was at best the 8th best player on this Spurs finals team.

Timmy Duncan was still a top 5 player.
GNob top 20.
Future real MVP Kawhi.
Prime Patty
Prime Splitter played great.
Boris played some of his best ball.

tbdog

04-02-2020, 12:24 AM

Timmy Duncan came off a very upsetting divorce and was kicking ass and taking names, super motivated to Championship. All Popped had to do was sit on the bench and stay the hell out of the way after his 2013 screw up.

Media and Phan selected All Star teams are meaningless. Parker was at best the 8th best player on this Spurs finals team.

Timmy Duncan was still a top 5 player.
GNob top 20.
Future real MVP Kawhi.
Prime Patty
Prime Splitter played great.
Boris played some of his best ball.

Do you think Pop had nothing to do with the motivation and also the commitment to go through 82 wins after that horror 2013 loss? You think Pop had nothing to do by keeping Manu and TD healthy. Do you think Patty who was 2 years before that playing in the Australian league had nothing to do with Pop? You think Diaw played some of his best ball for the Spurs had nothing to do with Pop. Do you think Splitter who was traded for a second-round pick and also was a disaster in the 2013 finals had nothing to do with Pop? And Leonard became an mvp candidate 2 years later. Edit* Yes, Parker was injured. Spurs best player that season was injured in the finals.

slick'81

04-02-2020, 12:30 AM

james evans

04-02-2020, 02:45 AM

why is he torturing us?

tbdog

04-02-2020, 04:08 AM

thats a helluva lot of questions

It needs to be said.

slick'81

04-02-2020, 04:17 AM

It needs to be said.

Dont hurt em t-dog

Allan Rowe vs Wade

04-02-2020, 07:35 AM

pop was right about trump’s failed response to covid

TD 21

04-02-2020, 03:55 PM

He won the the title in 2014 against that super stacked Heat team, with only one allstar in Parker who was injured.

:lmao "He won". He had a favored team, that was deeper, fresher, more motivated and matched-up perfectly with the Heat, who were thin, on fumes and had their second best player decline significantly.

Parker may have been the only technical All-Star that season, but Duncan and Ginobili were still easily of that caliber. The only reason the latter wasn't a serious candidate in those years is because of the lack of minutes played.

Do you think Pop had nothing to do with the motivation and also the commitment to go through 82 wins after that horror 2013 loss? You think Pop had nothing to do by keeping Manu and TD healthy. Do you think Patty who was 2 years before that playing in the Australian league had nothing to do with Pop? You think Diaw played some of his best ball for the Spurs had nothing to do with Pop. Do you think Splitter who was traded for a second-round pick and also was a disaster in the 2013 finals had nothing to do with Pop? And Leonard became an mvp candidate 2 years later. Edit* Yes, Parker was injured. Spurs best player that season was injured in the finals.

:lmao So the grown men who actually played in it, didn't have sufficient motivation and commitment to attempt to avenge it?

- The greatness of those teams allowed him to manage the minutes and give the occasional game off to Duncan and Ginobili.
- Mills had shown himself to be a rotation caliber player beforehand.
- Diaw was a perfect fit and clearly motivated to show that he could still play and eke out one final sizable contract.
- Splitter was the MVP of the second best league in the world.
- Rumor has it they preferred Valanciunas or Thompson to Scumbag (typical) and his ascent was a tribute to his work ethic and the development staff.
- Duncan, so long as he was healthy, was always the Spurs best player until '16.

DMC

04-02-2020, 04:26 PM

NBA probably brought the virus back to the US tbh

slick'81

04-02-2020, 05:32 PM

Same team+ last/this seasons rookies...maybe pop finally gets spurs in the playoffs this time,assuming the world doent end

MultiTroll

04-02-2020, 07:51 PM

Do you think Pop had nothing to do with the motivation and also the commitment to go through 82 wins after that horror 2013 loss? You think Pop had nothing to do by keeping Manu and TD healthy. Do you think Patty who was 2 years before that playing in the Australian league had nothing to do with Pop? You think Diaw played some of his best ball for the Spurs had nothing to do with Pop. Do you think Splitter who was traded for a second-round pick and also was a disaster in the 2013 finals had nothing to do with Pop? And Leonard became an mvp candidate 2 years later. Edit* Yes, Parker was injured. Spurs best player that season was injured in the finals.
Pops biggest strength over his Spurs career are off the court.
Creating a family type, safe, secure, comfortable atmosphere of genuinely caring for most players. Just because NBA players are pampered millionaires, and in the most all players cases MULTI millionaires, that does not mean their life is carefree. The money and all it involves can lead to very stressful situations. Users, without a doubt gang type losers trying to extort/intimidate. Tight pussy with ill intent throwing itself in your face. Gambling forces. Ones own gambling weakness (tons of players). Going from city to city every week in itself can do a number on a lot of people. (Others love it).

While some would say "GREAT, livin the life" it obviously can lead to complications too.
Many of the players are still connected to their original 'hoods by friendly terms or by coercion.
Pops regular routine of buying everyone dinner and just flat rapping was a great idea. Who knows how much this helped keep the Big 3 and company together.

But lets keep that in perspective too. Duncan was said to be a "Yes your fam can ride with us on the team plane" away from going to Orlando.

tbdog

04-02-2020, 08:46 PM

:lmao "He won". He had a favored team, that was deeper, fresher, more motivated and matched-up perfectly with the Heat, who were thin, on fumes and had their second best player decline significantly.

Parker may have been the only technical All-Star that season, but Duncan and Ginobili were still easily of that caliber. The only reason the latter wasn't a serious candidate in those years is because of the lack of minutes played.

:lmao So the grown men who actually played in it, didn't have sufficient motivation and commitment to attempt to avenge it?

- The greatness of those teams allowed him to manage the minutes and give the occasional game off to Duncan and Ginobili.
- Mills had shown himself to be a rotation caliber player beforehand.
- Diaw was a perfect fit and clearly motivated to show that he could still play and eke out one final sizable contract.
- Splitter was the MVP of the second best league in the world.
- Rumor has it they preferred Valanciunas or Thompson to Scumbag (typical) and his ascent was a tribute to his work ethic and the development staff.
- Duncan, so long as he was healthy, was always the Spurs best player until '16.

You are just moving the goal post, which is fine, then all arguements for coaches go out the window. Players are more imporant than coaches. They are harder to replace, hence why teams coach hop in the hopes they keep their star player happy with success. Usually it does not work. Pop kept that team motivated. We got backdoor sweept in 2012. We had that brutal loss in the finals in 2013. TD was old, he was being asked about retirement. Parker's prime had ended. To go through 82 more games and keep that motivation up, is the coach. His game prep for Portland, Thunder, and Heat were terrific. He played Lebron differently in 2014 compared to 2014. He out coached Spoelstra.

Diaw played some of his best ball for the Spurs. He was a buyout from the Bobcats. Mills was not in the rotation in 2013. Splitter in 2013 had a terrible finals series and Spurs reward him with that nice contract. Pop has always played his players to their strength. That team had passes all around the clock.

If Pop retires, if you think Timmy or Becky, or some other fired coach like Fizdale is going to turn this team around, then your living in a different world.

Slippy

04-02-2020, 09:12 PM

Yes please. This place will get a rude awakening once he leaves.

If it means Bryn not receiving favourable treatment then it cant happen soon enough.

BackHome

04-03-2020, 12:12 AM

The good days are gone should have enjoyed the last 18 years as it will probably take that long to build another great team.

ducks

04-03-2020, 12:35 AM

pop was right about trump’s failed response to covid

Bull shit

tbdog

04-03-2020, 01:32 AM

A lot of countries failed to stop covid. The ones that did well are being tracked, plus they have experience. US going to shit has probably little to do with Trump per se. More to do with the privatiation of medical and poor working conditions for a first world country.

Allan Rowe vs Wade

04-03-2020, 11:29 AM

:rollin

:pop:

TD 21

04-03-2020, 04:26 PM

You are just moving the goal post, which is fine, then all arguements for coaches go out the window. Players are more imporant than coaches. They are harder to replace, hence why teams coach hop in the hopes they keep their star player happy with success. Usually it does not work. Pop kept that team motivated. We got backdoor sweept in 2012. We had that brutal loss in the finals in 2013. TD was old, he was being asked about retirement. Parker's prime had ended. To go through 82 more games and keep that motivation up, is the coach. His game prep for Portland, Thunder, and Heat were terrific. He played Lebron differently in 2014 compared to 2014. He out coached Spoelstra.

Diaw played some of his best ball for the Spurs. He was a buyout from the Bobcats. Mills was not in the rotation in 2013. Splitter in 2013 had a terrible finals series and Spurs reward him with that nice contract. Pop has always played his players to their strength. That team had passes all around the clock.

If Pop retires, if you think Timmy or Becky, or some other fired coach like Fizdale is going to turn this team around, then your living in a different world.

Not at all. In the "player empowerment"/homogenized style era, coaching is out the window. It had some importance before, but never to the extent it was portrayed with in cases like this.

:lmao "Pop kept the team motivated", based on what? The only way they were able to do what they did, was self motivation. Particularly Duncan, playing through pain, changing his body and game.

Tell me, what was "his game prep"? And if it's so vital, then why has he constantly lost series in the past decade where his team was favored and leading?

That team, was the deepest/highest IQ/most motivated team I've ever seen and that's primarily why they won.

No coach is turning this shit team around. I don't know why you apologists keep mentioning that. That doesn't diminish the terrible coaching job he's done though and let's not forget who the president of basketball operations is.

Thomas82

04-04-2020, 02:50 PM

Pops biggest strength over his Spurs career are off the court.
Creating a family type, safe, secure, comfortable atmosphere of genuinely caring for most players. Just because NBA players are pampered millionaires, and in the most all players cases MULTI millionaires, that does not mean their life is carefree. The money and all it involves can lead to very stressful situations. Users, without a doubt gang type losers trying to extort/intimidate. Tight pussy with ill intent throwing itself in your face. Gambling forces. Ones own gambling weakness (tons of players). Going from city to city every week in itself can do a number on a lot of people. (Others love it).

While some would say "GREAT, livin the life" it obviously can lead to complications too.
Many of the players are still connected to their original 'hoods by friendly terms or by coercion.
Pops regular routine of buying everyone dinner and just flat rapping was a great idea. Who knows how much this helped keep the Big 3 and company together.

But lets keep that in perspective too. Duncan was said to be a "Yes your fam can ride with us on the team plane" away from going to Orlando.

I couldn't have said this any better.