The Last Dance documentary

[lefty]

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[D.B. Cooper]

Da Bulls

[FrostKing]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpoliteBriskGrackle-size_restricted.gif

[Spurtacular]

I would sentimentally look back at the Bulls and their two to four rings if the NBA wasn't rigged.

[lefty]

Fuck, the tweet in the OP disappeared :lol

There is the trailer :wow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulpdt1jJ72s

[Spurtacular]

Someone should've Zaza'd his candy ass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zud2GovT44

[lefty]

Someone should've Zaza'd his candy ass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zud2GovT44

Theriggedba made a more in deprh video about his special treatment

[Spurtacular]

Theriggedba made a more in deprh video about his special treatment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=bPn1J07F10E

And all these ST douches were RIP'ing David Stern.

[lefty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=bPn1J07F10E

And all these ST douches were RIP'ing David Stern.
Check out his 2 part video Michael Jordan : Untouchable :lol that officiating

He also made a video debunking the physicality and handchecking bs

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/aKsG-4hg8d0

[Dirks_Finale]

https://youtu.be/aKsG-4hg8d0

Brickowski vs Rodman -- highly entertaining.

[KobesAchilles]

I tend to give my Top 10 careers all time rather than my Top 10 best players of all time. I’ve always thought Wilt was the GOAT. I mean the dude averaged 50 and 24 one year, just take a second to hear how ridiculous that is. All the negative push back I’ve gotten is as followed: He took all the teams shots so of course he averaged 50. Well Kobe took all of the 06 Lakers shots (rightfully so) and Michael took all the shots for the 1980s Bulls (rightfully so) and neither one came close to averaging 50 points a game.

He didn’t win enough. Can anyone actually name a teammate that prime Wilt had (and don’t give me older out of prime Laker Wilt)? Bill Russell played with 9 hall of famers. Magic had Kareem. Shaq and Kobe has each other. Lebron has Wade. I would take prime Tony, Manu, Pippen, McHale, Worthy over ANY teammate Wilt played with on the 76ers. So yeah he didn’t win enough but at the same time nobody has any of his teammates in the top 100 players of all time.

He played in a watered down league with a bunch of short people. What the hell is the league today? There aren’t any tall guys anymore. Draymond Green is a perennial all star in today’s game and won DPOY and he’s barely 6’7. Hell Barkley was 6’4 and I would take him over every other player besides like maybe 20 in the history of the game. All people do today is jack 60 threes a game and play no defense. You can’t hand check, you can’t bump, you get a flagrant now for hitting a guy across the arm too hard. Go ask the guys Wilt played with what they used to do to him. They punched him, they slapped him, they kicked and pushed him. They didn’t suspend anybody for fighting Wilt. The refs didn’t protect him and the league didn’t send mandates down about player behavior. The league was crappier skill wise in the 60s, no argument, but they made up for it in more physical ways. And the one player (besides Shaq) who has ever in the history of the league had to deal with the most physicality is Wilt.

They changed the rules to hamper Wilt. While they changed the rules to literally enhance Jordan, Kobe, and even more so today Lebron. I don’t even take scoring seriously anymore by how easy they make it for players.

Wilt averaged like 28 rebounds a game one year. Well he’s a center and Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, whoever are guards so of course they shouldn’t average so many rebounds. Like yeah I get that but he averaged more than triple the rebounds in any of the other aforementioned players. Annnnd he scored more than them

Then I hear how great a defender Lebron, Kobe, Jordan are and I’m like dude they didn’t keep official stats of blocks when Wilt played but by going over the game logs he averaged something like 9 blocks a game one season. NINE!

Also Wilt averaged 7.5 assists one year showing that he could do what guards could do while literally every guard who has ever played has shown they can’t do what Wilt can do.

Career wise I have in order:
Bill, Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Shaq,Lebron, Kobe, Wilt, and Larry

But GOAT wise I have Wilt #1 and I think Bird was better than Magic. I think Duncan and Shaq are equal. And I think Kareem is also better than Jordan. Jordan ranks 3rd on my list.
So in order: Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Lebron, Duncan and Shaq, Larry, Bill, Kobe, Magic.

[FrostKing]

I tend to give my Top 10 careers all time rather than my Top 10 best players of all time. I’ve always thought Wilt was the GOAT. I mean the dude averaged 50 and 24 one year, just take a second to hear how ridiculous that is. All the negative push back I’ve gotten is as followed: He took all the teams shots so of course he averaged 50. Well Kobe took all of the 06 Lakers shots (rightfully so) and Michael took all the shots for the 1980s Bulls (rightfully so) and neither one came close to averaging 50 points a game.

He didn’t win enough. Can anyone actually name a teammate that prime Wilt had (and don’t give me older out of prime Laker Wilt)? Bill Russell played with 9 hall of famers. Magic had Kareem. Shaq and Kobe has each other. Lebron has Wade. I would take prime Tony, Manu, Pippen, McHale, Worthy over ANY teammate Wilt played with on the 76ers. So yeah he didn’t win enough but at the same time nobody has any of his teammates in the top 100 players of all time.

He played in a watered down league with a bunch of short people. What the hell is the league today? There aren’t any tall guys anymore. Draymond Green is a perennial all star in today’s game and won DPOY and he’s barely 6’7. Hell Barkley was 6’4 and I would take him over every other player besides like maybe 20 in the history of the game. All people do today is jack 60 threes a game and play no defense. You can’t hand check, you can’t bump, you get a flagrant now for hitting a guy across the arm too hard. Go ask the guys Wilt played with what they used to do to him. They punched him, they slapped him, they kicked and pushed him. They didn’t suspend anybody for fighting Wilt. The refs didn’t protect him and the league didn’t send mandates down about player behavior. The league was crappier skill wise in the 60s, no argument, but they made up for it in more physical ways. And the one player (besides Shaq) who has ever in the history of the league had to deal with the most physicality is Wilt.

They changed the rules to hamper Wilt. While they changed the rules to literally enhance Jordan, Kobe, and even more so today Lebron. I don’t even take scoring seriously anymore by how easy they make it for players.

Wilt averaged like 28 rebounds a game one year. Well he’s a center and Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, whoever are guards so of course they shouldn’t average so many rebounds. Like yeah I get that but he averaged more than triple the rebounds in any of the other aforementioned players. Annnnd he scored more than them

Then I hear how great a defender Lebron, Kobe, Jordan are and I’m like dude they didn’t keep official stats of blocks when Wilt played but by going over the game logs he averaged something like 9 blocks a game one season. NINE!

Also Wilt averaged 7.5 assists one year showing that he could do what guards could do while literally every guard who has ever played has shown they can’t do what Wilt can do.

Career wise I have in order:
Bill, Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Shaq,Lebron, Kobe, Wilt, and Larry

But GOAT wise I have Wilt #1 and I think Bird was better than Magic. I think Duncan and Shaq are equal. And I think Kareem is also better than Jordan. Jordan ranks 3rd on my list.
So in order: Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Lebron, Duncan and Shaq, Larry, Bill, Kobe, Magic.
To me Wilt had his mind elsewhere like for example women. He reminds me of Lebron. Even in College Wilt couldn't win a Title, falling short in the Final to UNC by 1.

I remember in the 90s there was more celebration of Wilt. But that shifted in the 2000s as Celtics returned to prominence and focus shifted towards superteams....winning.....Russell

I personally can't put Wilt above Kareem. And I'll take Bill & Bird over Wilt & Lebron (the number guys)

[KobesAchilles]

To me Wilt had his mind elsewhere like for example women. He reminds me of Lebron. Even in College Wilt couldn't win a Title, falling short in the Final to UNC by 1.

I remember in the 90s there was more celebration of Wilt. But that shifted in the 2000s as Celtics returned to prominence and focus shifted towards superteams....winning.....Russell

I personally can't put Wilt above Kareem. And I'll take Bill & Bird over Wilt & Lebron (the number guys)

Wilt and Lebron isn’t a fair comparison tbh. You can call them both numbers guys but that’s like saying BJ Armstrong and Michael were both Allstars. Wilt nearly doubled Lebron in points career high wise and he’s averaged like 20 more rebounds a game than Lebron and 9xs as many blocks.

Again I take Russel’s career over Wilt’s but there was nothing in basketball that Russell did better than Wilt other than winning and I feel like if Wilt got a legendary coach and 9 hall of famers, he would’ve won as well. Switch Russell on the 76ers and I’m not sure how many titles he wins. Definitely wouldn’t be 11.

Injury killed Bird’s career so I can’t put him over Wilt on any list. He won one more championship but that’s about it. He lost to Super Teams just the same as Wilt did. Just so happened that there was a 3 year window where the other Super Team in the league played in the West and Bird didn’t have to face them to go to the finals like Wilt did.

[UZER]

Brickowski vs Rodman -- highly entertaining.

And Phil called Brick a goon to the media when he had Rodman on his team. I know it was strategic, but the nerve of that dude. :lol

[Spurtacular]

making zone defense legal was the first step the league took towards team basketball. And its clearly still protecting Jordan's legacy

A top-rated YT comment.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGwYLeKFXM

[FrostKing]

And Phil called Brick a goon to the media when he had Rodman on his team. I know it was strategic, but the nerve of that dude. :lol
Frank only played 11 Mins/game. Sonics went 5 deep.

Rodman at 7 PPG and 14 boards.

[lefty]

Rodman should have been Finals MVP in 96

[Dirks_Finale]

He was goon-'ish'. But they probably don't beat Seattle in 96 without him. That Sonics team was highly underrated and Rodman was killing it.


And Phil called Brick a goon to the media when he had Rodman on his team. I know it was strategic, but the nerve of that dude. :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Wow -- I had never actually seen MJ make the GOAT comment about himself until I watched this. I always thought he believed it, but never actually said it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGwYLeKFXM

[FrostKing]

He was goon-'ish'. But they probably don't beat Seattle in 96 without him. That Sonics team was highly underrated and Rodman was killing it.
Sonics needed a scoring combo guard off the bench. They had every other role filled even the stretch "4" in Sam Perkins

[ambchang]

Jordan was the reason the term phantom fouls and superstar calls became common basketball terminology.

OTOH the youngins wouldn’t understand the point of the video you posted. Those would be flagrant 2’s in :lol today’s nba.

[140]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRuItRQ6_s

:wow

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/mMaylUX8Cyw

[Spurtacular]

https://youtu.be/mMaylUX8Cyw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRuItRQ6_s

:wow


Jordan would be Demar Derozan if he played today

[UZER]

Jordan birthed the “get mine” movement. Kobe took it to another level, but added controlling the narrative. Lebron combined both of those and added “my brand above the all” because of his insecurities.

They all created the emo players of today.

[lefty]

https://youtu.be/mMaylUX8Cyw
Ah the game where Jordan got all those BS calls

That was a travesty

[FrostKing]

Ah the game where Jordan got all those BS calls

That was a travesty
2 palming calls

[FrostKing]

I watched this game last night - 1996 ECF Game 2. Magic had an 18 point lead at Halftime. The Bulls defense especially in the 4th Quarter is jaw dropping.


https://youtu.be/ROf5n0iis2Q

[lefty]

2 palming calls
Nothing compared to all the BS calls in his favor that night

[Dirks_Finale]

Rodman's defense on Shaq in that series was incredible. Guy was giving up like a 100lbs. He was as strong as an ox.


I watched this game last night - 1996 ECF Game 2. Magic had an 18 point lead at Halftime. The Bulls defense especially in the 4th Quarter is jaw dropping.


https://youtu.be/ROf5n0iis2Q

[FrostKing]

Rodman's defense on Shaq in that series was incredible. Guy was giving up like a 100lbs. He was as strong as an ox.
34 years old. Dennis was still elite in 1996, especially late in the season as he had spent nearly a calendar year in the Bulls system at that point. In 97 he started doing the off the court circus and by 1998 he looked almost out of shape.

At that point Kukoc was All Star caliber anyway though. Toni was the only Bull still on the upswing of their career

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/2HLL32HyYik

From the bullied to the Bully
90s, Every possession is a highlight


19:30 Rodman enters the game
https://youtu.be/2HLL32HyYik?t=1178

1:39:00 Tie game at 69
https://youtu.be/2HLL32HyYik?t=6196

[FrostKing]

Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kukoc


Which PG is ideal ?

[lefty]

Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kukoc


Which PG is ideal ?

You mean a real traditional PG?

[FrostKing]

You mean a real traditional PG?
https://i.ibb.co/Df3Zw6d/206307-10150217411911672-4146823-n.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[lefty]

https://i.ibb.co/Df3Zw6d/206307-10150217411911672-4146823-n.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
That wouldn’t work in the system

Abdul Raif/Steph Curry types would work better offensively as they can shoot and create for others but don’t need to have the ball all rhe time

[FrostKing]

That wouldn’t work in the system

Abdul Raif/Steph Curry types would work better offensively as they can shoot and create for others but don’t need to have the ball all rhe time

Rose would be most athletic on the coart. Maybe Kukoc

23 & 33 suffocating the Wing. Rodman boards and any modern Center tbh

[lefty]

Haha

Rose would be most athletic on the coart. Maybe Kukoc

23 & 33 suffocating the Wing. Rodman boards and any modern Center tbh

I’m talking system fit, nit athleticism lol

[FrostKing]

I’m talking system fit, nit athleticism lol
Paxson, Armstrong, Harper and Kerr

Late 90s with Rose (basically Stockton role) rounding out the Triangle offense

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/6KCNwN0pSNg

https://i.ibb.co/RTWvdW0/jordan.jpg

[FrostKing]

Rivals defeated

Bigs
Ewing
Malone
Rodman
Shaq

Smalls
Drexler
Magic
Reggie
Stockton

Forwards
Barkley
Kemp
Mullins
Worthy

[lefty]

Rivals defeated

Bigs
Ewing
Malone
Rodman
Shaq

Smalls
Drexler
Magic
Reggie
Stockton

Forwards
Barkley
Kemp
Mullins
Worthy

Lol there is 0 context to that list

[FrostKing]

Lol there is 0 context to that list
Eliminated from playoffs

[lefty]

Eliminated from playoffs

That’s your context?

[140]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1Hw4xgC_Q

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/95l18vjgmZQ

[FrostKing]

My personal memory of the 90's Chicago Bulls

The standard. For a franchise surrounded by other underachieving clubs from Chicago: Cubs, Blackhawks, White Sox and Bears (1 modern title). The formula of building a Champion seemed to coincide with Michael's progress. Coaches were improved and supporting cast strengthened. Maybe Isiah's success made it more believable that a mere guard could rise to such heights.

Ladder was climbed and titles defended. Yes fans bring up the gambling. I do not have an honest answer to that. My friends and I sports gamble. Do I believe it was tied to his fathers death - No. Rodman brought a somewhat modern touch onto the Bulls run. His wedding announcement and eventual appearance in a dress was supported by a best selling book "Bad as I wanna Be".

But the Bulls guided by a clever HC in Phil Jackson not only overcame drama but more importantly he tapped into the edge each player needed to keep it competitive but also fresh. I think the Bulls first Dynasty Run is centered on Jordan's rise and dominance as a player but the 2nd Run is more interesting. They showed humility off the court, they showed weakness on it but the standard remained.

[lefty]

https://youtu.be/95l18vjgmZQ

My god, all those phantom and 1s :lol

Refs to the rescue :lol

Also , Suns « defense » :lmao

[lefty]

https://youtu.be/6KCNwN0pSNg

https://i.ibb.co/RTWvdW0/jordan.jpg

Bulls beating an old and injured Lakers team how impressive
Magic had 20 assists in game 5, no Worthy and Scott, had to make Teagle and some other scrubs score :lol, now THAT’s greatness

Also :lol at that pic of Jordan guarding Magic, Earvin destroyed him

[lefty]

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[Dirks_Finale]

I don't think he feels threatened by LBJ. But I do think he feels threatened by ESPN's narrative. I can recall him being like Trump in that regard -- overly concerned about what people write.


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[Dirks_Finale]

Bulls beating an old and injured Lakers team how impressive
Magic had 20 assists in game 5, no Worthy and Scott, had to make Teagle and some other scrubs score :lol, now THAT’s greatness

Also :lol at that pic of Jordan guarding Magic, Earvin destroyed him

Worthy and Scott played in game 2 -- lost by 21

Worthy and Scott played in game 3 -- lose by 8 with Scott going 0-8

Worthy and Scott played in game 4 -- lose by 15

3-1 at that point. Series was over. And Scott was a non-factor even in the game they won.

And Pippen gave Magic fits in that series. You could argue for him as MVP based on that alone. Cut off the head of the snake. Chicago had a great luxury with him.

[Isitjustme?]

Goddamn, I am excited for this. Especially since its all in HD. Aside from the Michael Jordan to the Max iMax documentary there is no real HD footage of MJ since they filmed all shit on videotape back in the day. Get tired of watching garbage shit old games listed as HD on youtube but which are clearly VHS and look like they were filmed with a shoe

[Isitjustme?]

I don't think he feels threatened by LBJ. But I do think he feels threatened by ESPN's narrative. I can recall him being like Trump in that regard -- overly concerned about what people write.

He is so threatened he used time travel to have some camera crews sent back to 1997-98 to film all this shit. lmao do you nerds ever hear yourselves? Always start with the same premise and then work backwards using it to analyze every event

[lefty]

Worthy and Scott played in game 2 -- lost by 21

Worthy and Scott played in game 3 -- lose by 8 with Scott going 0-8

Worthy and Scott played in game 4 -- lose by 15

3-1 at that point. Series was over. And Scott was a non-factor even in the game they won.

And Pippen gave Magic fits in that series. You could argue for him as MVP based on that alone. Cut off the head of the snake. Chicago had a great luxury with him.

Worthy and Scott were already injured before the Finals started and were far from being 100%

Pippen slowed down Magic a little in game 2 but Magic adjusted, Scottie didn’t give Magic any fit the rest of the way

[lefty]

He is so threatened he used time travel to have some camera crews sent back to 1997-98 to film all this shit. lmao do you nerds ever hear yourselves? Always start with the same premise and then work backwards using it to analyze every event

Yeah it was shot a long time ago MJ pretty much recently gave the green light to release it recent

[FrostKing]

30 minutes away!

[lefty]

Barry McCockiner ready to voice over those episodes :lol

[FrostKing]

Barry McCockiner ready to voice over those episodes :lol
Deleted and banned

[lefty]

Deleted and banned

Lol he already has another account
He can’t disappear

[Isitjustme?]

Yeah it was shot a long time ago MJ pretty much recently gave the green light to release it recent

Exactly lol. Im excited halfway just because it was filmed with 35 mm movie cameras so its HD. Watching some old NBA videotape footage is brutal lol. I would probably love watching Magic and Bird and Wilt if their games and behind the scenes stuff were all filmed like this

[Isitjustme?]

You can see Scottie's grey roots lol. c'mon man you a millionaire could do some touchup there lol

[Isitjustme?]

Krause lol forgot about him

[Isitjustme?]

Tim Floyd the next Phil Jackson lol

Krause: "This will be your last year Phil, I dont care if you win 82 games." lmao little fat troll

[140]

Fuck me Wade has to insert himself into everything, biggest fucking attention whore ive seen :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Dang clip of Bobby Knight in the 1984 Olympics calling Michael the best player he'd ever seen play :wow

lol poor tlongII

[Isitjustme?]

Lol MJ talking about how all his early Bulls teammates were cokeheads

[FrostKing]

Sam Bowie

[Isitjustme?]

Dang even Obama getting interviewed :wow More surprised Isiah is there praising Jordan considering the Dream Team snub maybe he gonna shit on Jordan about that in a later episode though lol

[lefty]

Well done State Farm

[FrostKing]

Chicago Bulls traveling cocaine circus

[Isitjustme?]

Looks like this episode will focus on Pippen. man he got a shit contract during his Bulls run lol cant blame him for being pissed about it still

[Isitjustme?]

Lol forgot Seattle traded Pippen for Olden Polynice. Whole Pacific Northwest got shit on draft wise by the Bulls in the mid 80s

[Isitjustme?]

MJ cussing motherfuckers out :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Paxson with the pornstache :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Worthy and Scott were already injured before the Finals started and were far from being 100%

Pippen slowed down Magic a little in game 2 but Magic adjusted, Scottie didn’t give Magic any fit the rest of the way

They say that by the time you make it to the finals, everyone is playing injured.

[FrostKing]

Great series tbh. Love how it jumps back and forth. Forgot that Pippen grew up in such a large family.

7 years 17 milion :lol

[140]

Greatest sports documentary of all time tbh

[Dirks_Finale]

Greatest sports documentary of all time tbh

Timing of the release couldn't have been more perfect. A whole new generation is introduced to an era they keep hearing about but know little of.

And it helps to be in HD quality. Agree with whoever said they cant watch older games because the video quality is horrendous

[tlongII]

Great documentary. Perfect for the lockdown.

[lefty]

:lol Scott Burrell waiting for a double team during practice

Poor Scottie tho, not because of his contract, but because of what happened to his dad and brother

[Isitjustme?]

Dang clip of Bobby Knight in the 1984 Olympics calling Michael the best player he'd ever seen play :wow

lol poor tlongII

Seriously this is some nostradamus shit to say before MJ even stepped foot in the league :wow

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[daslicer]

Looking forward to more of the footage of MJ interacting with teammates in the locker room.

[Killakobe81]

To hear Bobby knight, magic and Bird with his hid statement all dudes with egos wax poetic about how great MJ was early on is crazy.

Funny to see old school stiffs like Mark Eaton all say MJ wont dominate he is to small...

[ezau]

What's so interesting about MJ's career was the game's other best perimeter player who can guard him is no less than Scottie Pippen. Imagine, during his prime, if Pippen decided to go a team that would give him a max contract. MJ would have to carry the Bulls by himself while having to worry about Pippen guarding him.

[ambchang]

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Lebron is close no question. If he stayed in Cleveland and drag that horrible team to the finals year after year he’d be up there. Too bad he had to join the lakers and miss the playoffs. Even with the customary Lakers premium he got knocked down a peg because of it.

[lefty]

Lebron is close no question. If he stayed in Cleveland and drag that horrible team to the finals year after year he’d be up there. Too bad he had to join the lakers and miss the playoffs. Even with the customary Lakers premium he got knocked down a peg because of it.
He dragged a shitty Cava team to the Finals in 2007
I think that’s enoigh dragging a shitty team to the Finals
MJ could never

[lefty]

What's so interesting about MJ's career was the game's other best perimeter player who can guard him is no less than Scottie Pippen. Imagine, during his prime, if Pippen decided to go a team that would give him a max contract. MJ would have to carry the Bulls by himself while having to worry about Pippen guarding him.

If Pippen went to the West during his prime day they wouldn’t have met in the postseason because the Bulls wouldn’t have won the East with Jordan only

[lefty]

It was funny to see math teachers like Carlisle and Ainge guarding Jordan or DJ - who even though he was a great defender - didn’t have 1/10th of the athleticism or speed young MJ had

It’s no wonder MJ talked trash to Ainge before game 2 lol

[ambchang]

Krause lol forgot about him

Krause was actually way ahead of his time. He was the first person to successfully build a team based around a perimeter player driving the entire offence by surrounding him with shooters, a rebounder and a defensive center.

His biggest fault is looking like a fat slob and ticking off jordan by not stroking his ego and saying teams win championships.


Dang clip of Bobby Knight in the 1984 Olympics calling Michael the best player he'd ever seen play :wow

lol poor tlongII

Knight begged teams to pick Jordan number one. Some GM said they needed a centre (forgot was it Portland or Houston) and knight told them to play Jordan at Centre.

[Dirks_Finale]

Solid bigs were such a premium back then.

Kinda agree on giving Krause more props. He was scouting Kukoc overseas long before that sorta thing was trendy. His teams were long and very versatile which made Phil's job fairly easy. What's interesting is that Chicago really hasn't done shit since he left. They had the one glimmer of hope in Rose flame out right away.


Krause was actually way ahead of his time. He was the first person to successfully build a team based around a perimeter player driving the entire offence by surrounding him with shooters, a rebounder and a defensive center.

His biggest fault is looking like a fat slob and ticking off jordan by not stroking his ego and saying teams win championships.



Knight begged teams to pick Jordan number one. Some GM said they needed a centre (forgot was it Portland or Houston) and knight told them to play Jordan at Centre.

[Michael Jordan.]

He dragged a shitty Cava team to the Finals in 2007
I think that’s enoigh dragging a shitty team to the Finals
MJ could never
2011 Finals. Bron Bron got lit up by Ninja turtle Jason Terry and got his shit pushed in by Shawn Marion.

[scanry]

I guess Shaq took a cue from Scottie.

Pippen had no one but himself to blame. You can't lock yourself up for 7ys / $17 mil. I think KG had just signed a $120 mil contract in 97.

[lefty]

2011 Finals. Bron Bron got lit up by Ninja turtle Jason Terry and got his shit pushed in by Shawn Marion.
Jordan got outscored by Danny Pastor Ainge and fouled out in an elimination game :lol

[SpursforSix]

I saw great reviews for this and tried to watch it but I quickly got tired of the concert footage. Was never really a fan although they seem like pretty good guys. Robbie Robertson did some Native American stuff a while back that was pretty interesting.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/CantBeatLA_/status/1252058373710680064?s=19

^ truth bombs :lol

[140]

I guess Shaq took a cue from Scottie.

Pippen had no one but himself to blame. You can't lock yourself up for 7ys / $17 mil. I think KG had just signed a $120 mil contract in 97.

Pippen signed that contract in 91 after his rookie deal iirc tbh. Ironically the salaries balooned during those next few years mainly due the success of his team (and MJ ofc)

[FrostKing]

Pippen signed that contract in 91 after his rookie deal iirc tbh. Ironically the salaries balooned during those next few years mainly due the success of his team (and MJ ofc)
Actually I believe Pippen extended with 1 year remaining on his rookie contract. So Bulls did him favor

[FrostKing]

He dragged a shitty Cava team to the Finals in 2007
I think that’s enoigh dragging a shitty team to the Finals
MJ could never
Please do not sidetrack discussing that scrub. Not even in the conversation.

[lefty]

Please do not sidetrack discussing that scrub. Not even in the conversation.
I never said MJ was a scrub tbh
HE was a still a good player

[ViceCity86]

They show too many highlights of his 63 point game in Boston Garden when he was literally torching janitors and milkmen.

[FrostKing]

They show too many highlights of his 63 point game in Boston Garden when he was literally torching janitors and milkmen.
As opposed to rappers and IG models today?

[lefty]

They show too many highlights of his 63 point game in Boston Garden when he was literally torching janitors and milkmen.
Also that pastor from Brigham Young and some dude from Pepperdine

WTF is Pepperdine.... a soda factory?

[lefty]

1252244276500664324

[Isitjustme?]

LeBron fans so butthurt Jordan is universally considered the GOAT :lol

Cant stop trying to shitpost Jordan threads into oblivion :lol

[lefty]

LeBron fans so butthurt Jordan is universally considered the GOAT :lol

Cant stop trying to shitpost Jordan threads into oblivion :lol

Son why can’t you accept the game is better today and players are better today? :lol

Sports have evolved but apparently basketball is the only one that’s gotten worse
What a backwards logic tbh, time to remove the nostalgia goggles :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Son why can’t you accept the game is better today and players are better today? :lol

Sports have evolved but apparently basketball is the only one that’s gotten worse
What a backwards logic tbh, time to remove the nostalgia goggles :lol
You'll get through it man. This MJ special only going to be running another 5 weeks and people will stop blowing him 24/7 after its over. I know this is hard for you guys

[FrostKing]

Son why can’t you accept the game is better today and players are better today? :lol

Sports have evolved but apparently basketball is the only one that’s gotten worse
What a backwards logic tbh, time to remove the nostalgia goggles :lol
evolved =/= better

Our entire culture and society has weakened but apparently basketball is the only one that's gotten better

[Dirks_Finale]

The question is how much if it 'evolved' and how much of it is just rule changes designed to keep low attention span, Gen Z's attention?

Did NFL QB's evolve too, or are they just soft and overly protected now which makes them look better than they actually are? Imagine Favre or Marino in this era where you can't breathe in their direction with out a flag.


Son why can’t you accept the game is better today and players are better today? :lol

Sports have evolved but apparently basketball is the only one that’s gotten worse
What a backwards logic tbh, time to remove the nostalgia goggles :lol

[lefty]

evolved =/= better

Our entire culture and society has weakened but apparently basketball is the only one that's gotten better

Lol previous generations weren’t tOuGhEr, what a load of nonsense

[FrostKing]

Lol previous generations weren’t tOuGhEr, what a load of nonsense
Older generations mentally and physically tougher

New generation tougher in the face of online bullying

[ace3g]

Preview for next week

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1252360768340676609

[LkrFan]

What's so interesting about MJ's career was the game's other best perimeter player who can guard him is no less than Scottie Pippen. Imagine, during his prime, if Pippen decided to go a team that would give him a max contract. MJ would have to carry the Bulls by himself while having to worry about Pippen guarding him.

I think Scottie is the greatest perimeter defender in NBA history. He would have locked MJ down unless the refs bailed him out tbh.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1252429852319203328

[lefty]

Preview for next week

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1252360768340676609

Load management tbh

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1252429852319203328

Oh how gracious

[ezau]

I think Scottie is the greatest perimeter defender in NBA history. He would have locked MJ down unless the refs bailed him out tbh.

Agreed. MJ, as great as he is, wouldn't be painted as a demi-god that he is now if Scottie suited for another team.

[ezau]

If Pippen went to the West during his prime day they wouldn’t have met in the postseason because the Bulls wouldn’t have won the East with Jordan only

You have a point. Who were the other premier perimeter players back then outside of Jordan and Pippen? Drexler is the only other two-way player who had the size and athleticism I can remember. Bird was on a decline while Thomas and Dumars, though very good, were quite small compared to the MJ-Pippen combo. The MJ-Pippen combo's closest comparison would be like seeing Kobe and Kawhi playing together for the same team.

[lefty]

You have a point. Who were the other premier perimeter players back then outside of Jordan and Pippen? Drexler is the only other two-way player who had the size and athleticism I can remember. Bird was on a decline while Thomas and Dumars, though very good, were quite small compared to the MJ-Pippen combo. The MJ-Pippen combo's closest comparison would be like seeing Kobe and Kawhi playing together for the same team.
This

I keep telling people that but they glorify all those smaller opponents just to make it look like Jordan overcame amazing adversity

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1252429852319203328

This nigga here will do anything to make people continue with the narrative that he is the GOAT. Him donating $4 million is like me donating 1,000 Pesos tbh :lol

[LkrFan]

This

I keep telling people that but they glorify all those smaller opponents just to make it look like Jordan overcame amazing adversity

Can you imagine the Kang being guarded by Jeff Hornacek and John Stockton in the Finals? :lmao

[lefty]

Can you imagine the Kang being guarded by Jeff Hornacek and John Stockton in the Finals? :lmao

:lol and in ISO era to boot

[140]

Lebron was shut down by JJ Barea and got his shit pushed in by JET in the finals :lmao:lmao:lmao

[LkrFan]

:lol and in ISO era to boot

:lol

[LkrFan]

Lebron was shut down by JJ Barea and got his shit pushed in by JET in the finals :lmao:lmao:lmao

Then what happened to the Mavs? :downspin:

[140]

Then what happened to the Mavs? :downspin:

They won the title :lol they also curbstomped kobe and the lakers on the way, lest we forget

The skunker

[lefty]

To be fair , JET and Barrea would be stars in the 80s 90s

[ambchang]

You have a point. Who were the other premier perimeter players back then outside of Jordan and Pippen? Drexler is the only other two-way player who had the size and athleticism I can remember. Bird was on a decline while Thomas and Dumars, though very good, were quite small compared to the MJ-Pippen combo. The MJ-Pippen combo's closest comparison would be like seeing Kobe and Kawhi playing together for the same team.

Starks was 6’5”
Mitch Richmond
Sean Elliott would guard jordan time to time
Rolando Blackman
Anfernee hardaway nick anderson combo
Dan marjele was like 6’6”

[lefty]

Starks was 6’5”
Mitch Richmond
Sean Elliott would guard jordan time to time
Rolando Blackman
Anfernee hardaway nick anderson combo
Dan marjele was like 6’6”

Stark was still smaller and was a grocery bagger
Blackman was nowhere near the athletiicism of Jordan
Penny didn’t guard Jordan often, and when Jordan guarded him he would demolish him
Richmond did give Jordan fits but he was in the Weat and his teams didn’t have long seasons or were not good enough

[FrostKing]

Can you imagine the Kang being guarded by Jeff Hornacek and John Stockton in the Finals? :lmao
dribble....dribble

Clank a 3

[FrostKing]

Stark was still smaller and was a grocery bagger
Blackman was nowhere near the athletiicism of Jordan
Penny didn’t guard Jordan often, and when Jordan guarded him he would demolish him
Richmond did give Jordan fits but he was in the Weat and his teams didn’t have long seasons or were not good enough
Wilkins
Dumars
Reggie
Steve Smith
Glen Rice
Maxwell
Harper (pre injury)
Petrovic
Reggie Lewis

[lefty]

Wilkins
Dumars
Reggie
Steve Smith
Glen Rice
Maxwell
Harper (pre injury)
Petrovic
Reggie Lewis
- not the same position so not a direct matchup
- Smaller and not athletic
- Skinny and one dimensional, lol Klay Thompson is better
- Slow and not athletic enough
- Small Forward so not a direct matchup
- talented but toooo streaky
- too injured
- killed by Stern
- Small forward so not a direct matchup

[lefty]

dribble....dribble

Clank a 3
Agreed
He would totally do that


Because he would be bored to death after dropping an easy 70 points on the Utah State A&M Community College Astrology Club

[FrostKing]

Agreed
He would totally do that


Because he would be bored to death after dropping an easy 70 points on the Utah State A&M Community College Astrology Club
Lebron too mentally weak. Preoccupied with dancing and tacos

Kobe, you might have a point there

[LkrFan]

dribble....dribble

Clank a 3

:lol You silly. Who back then strong enough to stop him from going anywhere he wanted to go? Karl Malone? Not enough footspeed. Pippen? Maybe, but he too light in the ass.

-50 points :lol

[lefty]

Lebron too mentally weak. Preoccupied with dancing and tacos

Kobe, you might have a point there
lol at the notion of Lebron being mentally weak... I guess Jordan never cleired to the officials when the Pistons were skullfuckung him
Oh wait he did :lo

:lol at Kobe too; the guy who went AWOL in the 2nd half of a game 7 vs the shitty Suns ? :lol

[ambchang]

It’s not like :lol today’s nba is filled with great perimeter defenders. Kawhi is being overrated by the day and hasn’t been a day to day lock down defender this year.

Paul George gets annihilated by the same accountants you guys a clowning.

Klay Thompson is the definition of an average defender being overrated due to the team he’s associated with.

Avery Bradley and Patrick Beverly are about the size of an average spurstalker, but with muscles instead of fat.

Lebron James is on cruise mode most of the year.

Rodman, one of the greatest defenders, would guard Jordan regularly, along with Dumars.

[lefty]

It’s not like :lol today’s nba is filled with great perimeter defenders. Kawhi is being overrated by the day and hasn’t been a day to day lock down defender this year.

Paul George gets annihilated by the same accountants you guys a clowning.

Klay Thompson is the definition of an average defender being overrated due to the team he’s associated with.

Avery Bradley and Patrick Beverly are about the size of an average spurstalker, but with muscles instead of fat.

Lebron James is on cruise mode most of the year.

Rodman, one of the greatest defenders, would guard Jordan regularly, along with Dumars.

Tbh I think every era has its pros and cons.

They are just different , at the end of the day I think it just comes down to personal preference (or what one grew up watching)

Jordan was great tbh but the constant veneration and all the narratives (undisputed goat, herp derp, beat x player, mj would never etc )is annoying, and I think people hate him because of that but it’s not his fault

As Rodman said during the 80s : “Jordan this, Jordan that... I don’t hate the guy, I’m just tired of hearing about him”

Jordan dickriders are so easy to rile up on social media tbh :lol
That nigga Barry McCockiner doing the Lord’s work

[Dirks_Finale]

:lol
To be fair , JET and Barrea would be stars in the 80s 90s

[UZER]

Tbh I think every era has its pros and cons.

They are just different , at the end of the day I think it just comes down to personal preference (or what one grew up watching)

Jordan was great tbh but the constant veneration and all the narratives (undisputed goat, herp derp, beat x player, mj would never etc )is annoying, and I think people hate him because of that but it’s not his fault

As Rodman said during the 80s : “Jordan this, Jordan that... I don’t hate the guy, I’m just tired of hearing about him”

Jordan dickriders are so easy to rile up on social media tbh :lol
That nigga Barry McCockiner doing the Lord’s work

I’ll say that in the old days, more dudes brought a lunch pail to work. Sure they weren’t as athletic as guys with today’s training, but the league as a whole was tougher, more grit.

Nowadays, guys just make too much money to bring it hard every night. They’re too concerned about the brands, even the scrubs have brands. :lol. Any resistance and dudes will just step back and launch.

[Michael Jordan.]

Jordan got outscored by Danny Pastor Ainge and fouled out in an elimination game :lol
I beat my competition. LeBron joined his.

[Michael Jordan.]

lol at the notion of Lebron being mentally weak... I guess Jordan never cleired to the officials when the Pistons were skullfuckung him
Oh wait he did :lo

:lol at Kobe too; the guy who went AWOL in the 2nd half of a game 7 vs the shitty Suns ? :lol
3-6 in the finals ain’t exactly mentally strong. I guess no one remembers Paul George and Roy Hibbert stuffing LeBron’s dookie hole. Bosh had to come back hurt and save that series.

[lefty]

I’ll say that in the old days, more dudes brought a lunch pail to work. Sure they weren’t as athletic as guys with today’s training, but the league as a whole was tougher, more grit.

Nowadays, guys just make too much money to bring it hard every night. They’re too concerned about the brands, even the scrubs have brands. :lol. Any resistance and dudes will just step back and launch.

That “thoughness” was just compensating for lack of defensive skills tbh

As for players and their brands , it’s not new tbh , yesterda’s players valued that as well but it was newer back then, so today’s playets being more involved in their brands than older generations is just a natural progression tbh

[FrostKing]

That “thoughness” was just compensating for lack of defensive skills tbh

As for players and their brands , it’s not new tbh , yesterda’s players valued that as well but it was newer back then, so today’s playets being more involved in their brands than older generations is just a natural progression tbh
That involvement in brands is a reason why they are fundamentally weaker. Another puppet master. Which is especially puzzling considering the stars make greater player salaries today

[ezau]

Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.

[LkrFan]

It’s not like :lol today’s nba is filled with great perimeter defenders. Kawhi is being overrated by the day and hasn’t been a day to day lock down defender this year.

Paul George gets annihilated by the same accountants you guys a clowning.

Klay Thompson is the definition of an average defender being overrated due to the team he’s associated with.

Avery Bradley and Patrick Beverly are about the size of an average spurstalker, but with muscles instead of fat.

Lebron James is on cruise mode most of the year.

Rodman, one of the greatest defenders, would guard Jordan regularly, along with Dumars.

:lol

[LkrFan]

Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.

Jordan dominated substitute teachers, CPAs, and plumbers. 90s defenses were not complex either. Sequence:

Jordan takes someone off the dribble and dunks.

Crowd: ooooooh!

Bad Boyz get mad. Next time Jordan tries that, Rodman clotheslined him or suplexes him.

Phil Jackson complains thru the media.

Results: Bad Boys no longer can rough up His Airness without impunity. Players can't even look at Mike without it being a tech.

Mike goes on to win 6 rings.

/The End :lol

What Jordan got away with is equivalent to modern day white privilegePERIOD :lol

[ambchang]

Tbh I think every era has its pros and cons.

They are just different , at the end of the day I think it just comes down to personal preference (or what one grew up watching)

Jordan was great tbh but the constant veneration and all the narratives (undisputed goat, herp derp, beat x player, mj would never etc )is annoying, and I think people hate him because of that but it’s not his fault

As Rodman said during the 80s : “Jordan this, Jordan that... I don’t hate the guy, I’m just tired of hearing about him”

Jordan dickriders are so easy to rile up on social media tbh :lol
That nigga Barry McCockiner doing the Lord’s work

This I do agree. Jordan was great but he’s so overrated. People make is sound like he never lost a game in his life and scores 35 points every game. He got beat by the pistons. He struggled against the sonics in the finals (rodman or Pippen should have won the FMVP).

He didn’t win 6 rings by himself. Pippen was a beast, his team got away with all kinds of stuff, the east was weak and Krause the Hutt was great building a very particular type of team to magnify Jordan’s strength so that the bulls can win.

[ezau]

Jordan dominated substitute teachers, CPAs, and plumbers. 90s defenses were not complex either. Sequence:

Jordan takes someone off the dribble and dunks.

Crowd: ooooooh!

Bad Boyz get mad. Next time Jordan tries that, Rodman clotheslined him or suplexes him.

Phil Jackson complains thru the media.

Results: Bad Boys no longer can rough up His Airness without impunity. Players can't even look at Mike without it being a tech.

Mike goes on to win 6 rings.

/The End :lol

What Jordan got away with is equivalent to modern day white privilegePERIOD :lol

If Jordan played today, he will be destroy the league because he's a once-a-generation player. We're salty because deep down, our franchise's best players (Kobe, Lebron, and Duncan) will never be considered the GOAT by most people.

[Play Boban]

This documentary is so overrated. I’m sick of the slobbering.

[lefty]

If Jordan played today, he will be destroy the league because he's a once-a-generation player. We're salty because deep down, our franchise's best players (Kobe, Lebron, and Duncan) will never be considered the GOAT by most people.

Jordan would be DeRozan today tbh, he wouldn’t be matched up against Uncle Joey from Full house or grocery bagger Stark :lol
Plus he hates zone defense

[lefty]

This I do agree. Jordan was great but he’s so overrated. People make is sound like he never lost a game in his life and scores 35 points every game. He got beat by the pistons. He struggled against the sonics in the finals (rodman or Pippen should have won the FMVP).

He didn’t win 6 rings by himself. Pippen was a beast, his team got away with all kinds of stuff, the east was weak and Krause the Hutt was great building a very particular type of team to magnify Jordan’s strength so that the bulls can win.

I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
It is a team sport FFS
Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so competitive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
That logic :lol

People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)

[Michael Jordan.]

I do remember that time LeBron couldn’t get past that squad with Kendrick Perkins in the starting lineup

[lefty]

I do remember that time LeBron couldn’t get past that squad with Kendrick Perkins in the starting lineup
Kendrick would have averaged 50 ppg in the 90s

[Michael Jordan.]

zK9wLWF8TXo


Hot damn

[lefty]

zK9wLWF8TXo


Hot damn

You want to talk about Jordan’s overrated defense ? :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

XKUCE_5H7Iw


LeBron or James Harden?

[Michael Jordan.]

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:lmao

[lefty]

Good trolling tbh :lol

[ezau]

Jordan would be DeRozan today tbh, he wouldn’t be matched up against Uncle Joey from Full house or grocery bagger Stark :lol
Plus he hates zone defense

Except Jordan is a psychopath while Derozan is eternally depressed and suicidal.

[ezau]

Kendrick would have averaged 50 ppg in the 90s

:lol The fuck, brah. :lol

[140]

Abdul Rauf would be Steph Curry on steroids in t:loldays NBA

[140]

Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.

:lmao

[Michael Jordan.]

Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.
Nigga what is you smoking? Dick? First off kinfolk lemme tell ya something. Bron ain’t never won DPOY. Hell even Dwight’s goofy ass won that shit. I’m too two all time in steals. Most blocks all time by a guard. Bron has never been a great one on one defender like me. In Bron’s biggest, most decisive moments it has nearly always been someone else who has stood out. Ray Allen. Chris Bosh. Dwayne Wade. Hell even Kyrie’s 3 over Curry. The nigga don’t want it with the game on the line. Next time you come and say there’s anything even remotely close between me and that front runner imma slap the taste out ya mommas mouth.

[ezau]

Nigga what is you smoking? Dick? First off kinfolk lemme tell ya something. Bron ain’t never won DPOY. Hell even Dwight’s goofy ass won that shit. I’m too two all time in steals. Most blocks all time by a guard. Bron has never been a great one on one defender like me. In Bron’s biggest, most decisive moments it has nearly always been someone else who has stood out. Ray Allen. Chris Bosh. Dwayne Wade. Hell even Kyrie’s 3 over Curry. The nigga don’t want it with the game on the line. Next time you come and say there’s anything even remotely close between me and that front runner imma slap the taste out ya mommas mouth.

Nice shtick, bruh. Keep it up. :lol

[ambchang]

I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
It is a team sport FFS
Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so competitive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
That logic :lol

People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)

We are pretty much on the same page on this topic.

Ranking of players is largely around narratives, which is why Knicks and Lakers players get massively overrated In general as they have the most fans in the media.

Imagine an entire free press doing for you what Kenny smith is doing for Hakeem.

I mean, look at Willis reed. Love that guy, but in most subjective measures he’s barely a top 50 player and he’s being treated as a top ten Center of all time. Ewing is regularly ranked along Hakeem and Robinson yet both are clearly better than him. Earl Monroe is some wizard with the ball and yet he’s nothing better than Dave bing.

Kareem had his best years with the bucks but the history books wrote him up as a Laker. Magic isn’t equal as bird but he’s ranked as better than him. Kobe isn’t even top 15 but he’s ranked alongside Lebron (solid top 3) and Duncan (top 5 or 6). Worthy better than nique? Shaq was consensus too 5 before he started his feud with Kobe publicly at which point the laker friendly press tried to give Kobe more credit (and thus shaq less) for that three peat (refs never go their due).

Players from smaller markets (duncan, moses, Stockton, Robinson, Rick Barry) gets underrated daily. Hell, Hakeem wasn’t on the radar until Kenny smith goes on a personal crusade to deify him.

[FrostKing]

Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.
35 year old Mario Elie was gonna slow down the defending scoring champ and MVP?

3 of the Spurs starters were out of the NBA within 2 seasons. You wouldn't have gotten Kerr either

[LkrFan]

Jordan would be DeRozan today tbh, he wouldn’t be matched up against Uncle Joey from Full house or grocery bagger Stark :lol
Plus he hates zone defense

I was thinking Rip Hamilton :lol

[FrostKing]

I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
It is a team sport FFS
Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so competitive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
That logic :lol

People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)
Are you familiar how Jordan and Pippen treated Kukoc in the 1992 Olympics?

LeBron would have taken him out to dinner. Slapped ass and danced on the court.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/BronAndBrow/status/1253025594192719872?s=19

90s NBA defenders :lol

[FrostKing]

https://twitter.com/BronAndBrow/status/1253025594192719872?s=19

90s NBA defenders :lol
Today's player would have launched a 3

[LkrFan]

Today's player would have launched a 3

That's true :lol #analytics

[Dirks_Finale]

The rings argument is not 6>3, imo.

It's the fact that Jordan didn't have to go to 12 finals to get those 6 rings like Lebron would need to to attain that.

It's fact that nobody even took him to a game 7 in the Finals. It's not like all those teams were weak. The Lakers were probably the worst finals opponent they had. There were some decent defenders he faced like Russell (it was a push off) and Gary Payton.

It's the killer instinct factor that stat sheets and John Hollinger do not account for. We all know Chicago only ran that triangle for 3 quarters. Then Jordan would often just take over. Something we do not see a lot of from Lebron. And I tend to give LBJ a pass on that as he often does make the right basketball play, even if it does not result in a W. But there are some unpardonable sins on his resume that will not be forgotten. Getting outsocred by Jet Terry in an NBA finals -- a bronze medal(lol), poor free throw shooting in the clutch and being carried off the floor all cramped up during another embarrassing Finals loss.

Lebron is likely the most physically gifted athlete the world has ever seen. I think he would be an all pro football or baseball player as well. But when it comes to drive and killer instinct, the closest we have seen a player come to Jordan is Kobe.


I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
It is a team sport FFS
Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so competitive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
That logic :lol

People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)

[Dirks_Finale]

Lebron would have taken home a bronze medal -- oh wait, he already did.


Are you familiar how Jordan and Pippen treated Kukoc in the 1992 Olympics?

LeBron would have taken him out to dinner. Slapped ass and danced on the court.

[LkrFan]

Lebron would have taken home a bronze medal -- oh wait, he already did.

Nope, Larry Brown wouldn't play him. He played Jim heavy minutes though. Results? See for yourself
https://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+15+Basketball+6gRyQ25aUQcx.jpg

Just a reminder, Jim has a Bronze Medal and Kobe has two Gold Medals :toast

[LkrFan]

Bron was 19 in the 2004 Olympics. Jim was a 28 year old 1.61× champion. That's HIS Bronze Medal :lol

[LkrFan]

Friendly reminder. 1999 title counts for 0.61%. Why? They only played 50 games. 50÷82=0.61 :lmao

[lefty]

Are you familiar how Jordan and Pippen treated Kukoc in the 1992 Olympics?

LeBron would have taken him out to dinner. Slapped ass and danced on the court.
So basically Pippen was an insecure bully, that’s not better :lol

Backfired in 94 playoffs when Kukoc took and made that last shot instead of Pippen against the Knicks :lol

[lefty]

We are pretty much on the same page on this topic.

Ranking of players is largely around narratives, which is why Knicks and Lakers players get massively overrated In general as they have the most fans in the media.

Imagine an entire free press doing for you what Kenny smith is doing for Hakeem.

I mean, look at Willis reed. Love that guy, but in most subjective measures he’s barely a top 50 player and he’s being treated as a top ten Center of all time. Ewing is regularly ranked along Hakeem and Robinson yet both are clearly better than him. Earl Monroe is some wizard with the ball and yet he’s nothing better than Dave bing.

Kareem had his best years with the bucks but the history books wrote him up as a Laker. Magic isn’t equal as bird but he’s ranked as better than him. Kobe isn’t even top 15 but he’s ranked alongside Lebron (solid top 3) and Duncan (top 5 or 6). Worthy better than nique? Shaq was consensus too 5 before he started his feud with Kobe publicly at which point the laker friendly press tried to give Kobe more credit (and thus shaq less) for that three peat (refs never go their due).

Players from smaller markets (duncan, moses, Stockton, Robinson, Rick Barry) gets underrated daily. Hell, Hakeem wasn’t on the radar until Kenny smith goes on a personal crusade to deify him.
Agreed about marketing
Hakeem was unbelievable, Jordan admitted he was glad Houston didn’t come out of the WCF during the early 90s
Bird was clearly better than Magic, but narrative narrative and Magic was also a charismatic star in Hollywood

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/BronAndBrow/status/1253025594192719872?s=19

90s NBA defenders :lol

WTF is this shit :lol
Is that an All Star Weekend celebrity game where Jordan was matched up against some actors?

[LkrFan]

WTF is this shit :lol
Is that an All Star Weekend celebrity game where Jordan was matched up against some actors?

:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1253051486109655041?s=19

:lol

[FrostKing]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1253051486109655041?s=19

:lol
"Struggled"

Green has led his team to the #1 draft pick

[LkrFan]

"Struggled"

Green has led his team to the #1 draft pick

That's a great assist if you ask me. :lol

[ambchang]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1253051486109655041?s=19

:lol

What is donkey talking about? Jordan averaged 37.1 ppg wo Pippen.

Donkey went from the :lol best defensive player ever:lol to a role player who can’t slow down some emo instagrammer.

[Dirks_Finale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdmChZXydg

[basquetbol]

I beat my competition. LeBron joined his.

You couldn't be bothered to win more than one playoff game in 10 chances until Pippen came around. Once Pippen came around that still was not enough to win it all, you had to wait until the Pistons and Celtics aged out of contention.

[FrostKing]

Kobe > Lebron

[Michael Jordan.]

You couldn't be bothered to win more than one playoff game in 10 chances until Pippen came around. Once Pippen came around that still was not enough to win it all, you had to wait until the Pistons and Celtics aged out of contention.
Who was LeBron playing in the East?

:lol Gilbert Arenas
:lol Jason Kidd Nets

show me which of those teams were as Good as the Celtics and Pistons?

[Michael Jordan.]

LeBron’s East was an absolute cakewalk. Until Boston traded for Garnett. Then LeBron joined his competition at the first sign of adversity. I mean it’s a pattern. With Miami. With the Lakers. Interestingly enough, missed the playoffs the first year he wasn’t in the East. Beta.

[FrostKing]

The best teams Lebron ever dressed for wouldn't make it out of 1980s East

[lefty]

The best teams Lebron ever dressed for wouldn't make it out of 1980s East

So you just confirmed Lebron has had shitty teammates his whole career unlike MJ
Thanks for making our point

[FrostKing]

So you just confirmed Lebron has had shitty teammates his whole career unlike MJ
Thanks for making our point
My statement includes Lebron and his inferior abilities

[Michael Jordan.]

So you just confirmed Lebron has had shitty teammates his whole career unlike MJ
Thanks for making our point
LeBron STILL lost two finals series with Bosh and Wade. The Dallas series being the most egregious

[LkrFan]

What is donkey talking about? Jordan averaged 37.1 ppg wo Pippen.

Donkey went from the :lol best defensive player ever:lol to a role player who can’t slow down some emo instagrammer.

:lol

[lefty]

LeBron STILL lost two finals series with Bosh and Wade. The Dallas series being the most egregious

To be fair, the teams he lost to would have swept the Bulls

[Killakobe81]

We are pretty much on the same page on this topic.

Ranking of players is largely around narratives, which is why Knicks and Lakers players get massively overrated In general as they have the most fans in the media.

Imagine an entire free press doing for you what Kenny smith is doing for Hakeem.

I mean, look at Willis reed. Love that guy, but in most subjective measures he’s barely a top 50 player and he’s being treated as a top ten Center of all time. Ewing is regularly ranked along Hakeem and Robinson yet both are clearly better than him. Earl Monroe is some wizard with the ball and yet he’s nothing better than Dave bing.

Kareem had his best years with the bucks but the history books wrote him up as a Laker. Magic isn’t equal as bird but he’s ranked as better than him. Kobe isn’t even top 15 but he’s ranked alongside Lebron (solid top 3) and Duncan (top 5 or 6). Worthy better than nique? Shaq was consensus too 5 before he started his feud with Kobe publicly at which point the laker friendly press tried to give Kobe more credit (and thus shaq less) for that three peat (refs never go their due).

Players from smaller markets (duncan, moses, Stockton, Robinson, Rick Barry) gets underrated daily. Hell, Hakeem wasn’t on the radar until Kenny smith goes on a personal crusade to deify him.

What a crock of shit... And so biased... But hope all is well, Amb...

[ezau]

35 year old Mario Elie was gonna slow down the defending scoring champ and MVP?

3 of the Spurs starters were out of the NBA within 2 seasons. You wouldn't have gotten Kerr either

Jordan is going to get his, but who's gonna slow down near prime Admiral and 23-year old Timmy?

[FrostKing]

To be fair, the teams he lost to would have swept the Bulls
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kpA4Zg-w3OU/WLicsESF3lI/AAAAAAAASro/rxgzfDg1S6A2pBPrrMmXiqS1BQoCe6jNACLcB/s1600/RelievedTerribleBichonfrise.gif

[140]

Shit has leaked. Kinda torn on whether to download it or not tbh

[ambchang]

What a crock of shit... And so biased... But hope all is well, Amb...

So you’re saying media narratives have no hand in over or under rating players? Or are you saying my examples were all wrong?

I didn’t even talk about Dave debusshere who’s talked about as some demigod but is a career 15/10 guy who nobody even knew played for the pistons.

[lefty]

Shit has leaked. Kinda torn on whether to download it or not tbh
Do it

[140]

Do it

Dunno. I'd watch it all at once and that'd be it. It's nice to have something to look forward to these days tbh

[lefty]

Dunno. I'd watch it all at once and that'd be it. It's nice to have something to look forward to these days tbh
Nah
Watch it all now and spoil everything here

[FrostKing]

Nah
Watch it all now and spoil everything here
I have grown concerned with your recent behavior

[ambchang]

Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29035071/why-michael-jordan-scoring-prowess-touched

For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in :lol today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

I think he would strive in :lol today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.

[lefty]

Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29035071/why-michael-jordan-scoring-prowess-touched

For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in :lol today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

I think he would strive in :lol today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.
Uh in ISO era wth guys like Ehl:lol or undersized Starks of course he was unstoppable :lol
(And the refs so defenders had to be extra careful)

He would gave yo deal with better, longer and more athletic defenders (and sone defense that he admittedly hates)

[FrostKing]

Uh in ISO era wth guys like Ehl:lol or undersized Starks of course he was unstoppable :lol
(And the refs so defenders had to be extra careful)

He would gave yo deal with better, longer and more athletic defenders (and sone defense that he admittedly hates)
Undersized defender with brains & guts
>
Athletic defender with poor fundamentals and weak motor

[140]

Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29035071/why-michael-jordan-scoring-prowess-touched

For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in :lol today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

I think he would strive in :lol today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.

Advanced stats love MJ. Unlike Kobe he was actually an efficient and deadly scorer. There's 0 doubt that he would thrive even more in todays wide open, offense first second and third game. And yeah he'd absolutely develop a 3 ball tbh

[lefty]

Undersized defender with brains & guts
>
Athletic defender with poor fundamentals and weak motor
Guts and brains won’t make you taller, faster, more athletic or give you better training

:lol det logic

[ambchang]

Uh in ISO era wth guys like Ehl:lol or undersized Starks of course he was unstoppable :lol
(And the refs so defenders had to be extra careful)

He would gave yo deal with better, longer and more athletic defenders (and sone defense that he admittedly hates)

Starks was 6’5 and Ehlo was 6’7”.

If Joe ingles can put the clamps on PG13, then Ehlo would too.

Harden was shut down by some 38 year old over the hill Argentinian.

And Lebron by a 6’2” turtle head.

[lefty]

Starks was 6’5 and Ehlo was 6’7”.

If Joe ingles can put the clamps on PG13, then Ehlo would too.

Harden was shut down by some 38 year old over the hill Argentinian.

And Lebron by a 6’2” turtle head.
Turtle Head was much better than John Grocery Bagger Starks and Craig Uncle Joey Ehlo :lol

[Neo.]

And Lebron by a 6’2” turtle head.

interesting memory you have, in that you seem to recall jason terry being the one guarding lebron, not marion and stevenson

[FrostKing]

Who cares about Lebron. He's always getting his shit pushed in.

[ambchang]

Turtle Head was much better than John Grocery Bagger Starks and Craig Uncle Joey Ehlo :lol

No he’s not.


interesting memory you have, in that you seem to recall jason terry being the one guarding lebron, not marion and stevenson

I meant outplayed by. And a 40 year old Marion isn’t some step up.

[lefty]

No he’s not.



I meant outplayed by. And a 40 year old Marion isn’t some step up.

Yes he isMuch better

[Neo.]

And a 40 year old Marion isn’t some step up.

I'd say a 32 year old 6'7 Shawn Marion who was consistently among the leagues top wing defenders through his career is absolutely a step up from a 6'2 Jason Terry who was known for being mediocre defensively

[Neo.]

No he’s not.

:lmao thinking ehlo and starks > terry

[lefty]

:lmao thinking ehlo and starks > terry

:lol imagine

[FrostKing]

:lmao thinking ehlo and starks > terry
The statement was "much better"

Terry is not much better than Ehlo. Arguably equal as close shooting percentages with Craig a superior rebounder.

Remember he drove and scored to put the Cavs up with seconds remaining in elimination game to Bulls

[ambchang]

:lmao thinking ehlo and starks > terry


:lol imagine

Great points.

[ambchang]

I'd say a 32 year old 6'7 Shawn Marion who was consistently among the leagues top wing defenders through his career is absolutely a step up from a 6'2 Jason Terry who was known for being mediocre defensively

That’s why he was out of the league in a few years after that.

0.4 DBPM.
103 d rating.

[Neo.]

That’s why he was out of the league in a few years after that.

0.4 DBPM.
103 d rating.

:lmao claiming that jason terry is a defensive equivalent to shawn marion

[Neo.]

Great points.


No he’s not.

great point

[Neo.]

The statement was "much better"

Terry is not much better than Ehlo. Arguably equal as close shooting percentages with Craig a superior rebounder.

Remember he drove and scored to put the Cavs up with seconds remaining in elimination game to Bulls

ok let's take out the last 5 seasons of Terry (where he was a corpse hanging on), and compare the two guys for the amount of time Ehlo played, which was from 22 to 35

we're talking about comparing a guy averaging nearly 16 ppg to a guy averaging 8.6 ppg. Terry a couple more assists, ehlo an extra rebound. And skill set? Not even close, Terry was far more skilled of a basketball player, that's literally not a debate nor even worth discussing. And if we want to talk about big time and clutch performances, Terry has his own share as well, including completely destroying the defending champ Lakers for a whole series, the shot in brons face, and carrying the Mavs in game 6 of the finals. So yes, it's not out of the question to consider Terry much better than Ehlo.

[lefty]

ok let's take out the last 5 seasons of Terry (where he was a corpse hanging on), and compare the two guys for the amount of time Ehlo played, which was from 22 to 35

we're talking about comparing a guy averaging nearly 16 ppg to a guy averaging 8.6 ppg. Terry a couple more assists, ehlo an extra rebound. And skill set? Not even close, Terry was far more skilled of a basketball player, that's literally not a debate nor even worth discussing. And if we want to talk about big time and clutch performances, Terry has his own share as well, including completely destroying the defending champ Lakers for a whole series, the shot in brons face, and carrying the Mavs in game 6 of the finals. So yes, it's not out of the question to consider Terry much better than Ehlo.
This

And John Starks wasn't even drafted during one of the shittiest eras of the NBA :lol
Overrated defender tbh he got lit up by pretty much every SG

But FWIW he is a better grocery bagger than Terry

And let'S not forget that between his bench warming in Houston and being stiff in Cleveland, Ehlo played for the mighty Mississipi Jets :lol

[FrostKing]

ok let's take out the last 5 seasons of Terry (where he was a corpse hanging on), and compare the two guys for the amount of time Ehlo played, which was from 22 to 35

we're talking about comparing a guy averaging nearly 16 ppg to a guy averaging 8.6 ppg. Terry a couple more assists, ehlo an extra rebound. And skill set? Not even close, Terry was far more skilled of a basketball player, that's literally not a debate nor even worth discussing. And if we want to talk about big time and clutch performances, Terry has his own share as well, including completely destroying the defending champ Lakers for a whole series, the shot in brons face, and carrying the Mavs in game 6 of the finals. So yes, it's not out of the question to consider Terry much better than Ehlo.
1st Half of their careers: Terry is stat padding on 20-win Atlanta Hawks teams while Ehlo is on a Rockets team playing in the NBA Finals

When you compare their 5 best seasons (Terry on Mavs), nearly identical FG% from 2 and 3, Terry is scoring 2 extra baskets in an Era with more scoring

That is not much better

[Killakobe81]

Related article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29035071/why-michael-jordan-scoring-prowess-touched

For all the talk about Jordan being a Derozan in :lol today's NBA, I found it interesting that his scoring is closer to Dirk in terms of mid-range, and was much better.

Jordan was unstoppable against some very good defense over the years.

I think he would strive in :lol today's NBA, he would have added a three point shot like he added a jumper. Some players are just better at changing their games and rise above the rest.

Of course he would be great today... Although his athleticism advantages would be less dominant his fundamentals are still exquisite and his first step would still be elite. Not sure i buy he would be a three point guy we have no way of knowing that for sure.. But comparing him to DD is an insult.
He would not get the joy of spin dunks on Rick Carlisle types though...

[FrostKing]

Of course he would be great today... Although his athleticism advantages would be less dominant his fundamentals are still exquisite and his first step would still be elite. Not sure i buy he would be a three point guy we have no way of knowing that for sure.. But comparing him to DD is an insult.
He would not get the joy of spin dunks on Rick Carlisle types though...
No one in this thread has yet brought it up - the Triangle offense. How does that translate to the current game

[lefty]

No one in this thread has yet brought it up - the Triangle offense. How does that translate to the current game
It's outdated today

[FrostKing]

It's outdated today
Not sure outdated is the correct term. Maybe no longer needed because current day NBA resembles gym play with no collective strategy or cohesiveness.

Triangle offense was a response to the Piston's 'Jordan Rules'. Today's NBA lacks such layers and depth.

[lefty]

Not sure outdated is the correct term. Maybe no longer needed because current day NBA resembles gym play with no collective strategy or cohesiveness.

Triangle offense was a response to the Piston's 'Jordan Rules'. Today's NBA lacks such layers and depth.
I think the triangle wouldnt work today because of zone defense

[Dirks_Finale]

It didn't even work in the previous eras for anyone not named Phil Jackson. Others like Jim Clemons tried and failed with it. Overrated offense that succeeded because it's teams had the world's top players.


I think the triangle wouldnt work today because of zone defense

[ambchang]

:lmao claiming that jason terry is a defensive equivalent to shawn marion

Trying to compare Jason terry with John Starks and crush Ehlo when turtlehead outplayed Lebron while Jordan use Starks and Ehlo has his personal toilet seats.

[ambchang]

great point

My bad. Left out some emojis. That would’ve made it a great point.

[ambchang]

Of course he would be great today... Although his athleticism advantages would be less dominant his fundamentals are still exquisite and his first step would still be elite. Not sure i buy he would be a three point guy we have no way of knowing that for sure.. But comparing him to DD is an insult.
He would not get the joy of spin dunks on Rick Carlisle types though...

Jordan’s three got progressively better later in his career.

It’s not like the three is such a disgustingly difficult shot to make for nbaers. Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge is getting better through time.

As for defense there are still the Marco bellenellis and James Hardens of the world. You guys make it sound like the league is covered with prime Kawhi.

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

[ambchang]

No one in this thread has yet brought it up - the Triangle offense. How does that translate to the current game


The triangle is a hugely overrated offence. It never worked anywhere else. So I’m inclined to say the bulls won because of Jordan and Pippen who would excel in just about any offence.

[FrostKing]

The triangle is a hugely overrated offence. It never worked anywhere else. So I’m inclined to say the bulls won because of Jordan and Pippen who would excel in just about any offence.
I think Kukoc's versatility was important. But often overlooked is that the constant movement resulted in defenders out of position allowing Rodman to feast on offensive boards.

[Neo.]

1st Half of their careers: Terry is stat padding on 20-win Atlanta Hawks teams while Ehlo is on a Rockets team playing in the NBA Finals

When you compare their 5 best seasons (Terry on Mavs), nearly identical FG% from 2 and 3, Terry is scoring 2 extra baskets in an Era with more scoring

That is not much better

So basically ehlo couldn't crack the lineup of a finals team, while terry was the #2 option on multiple finals teams, one of which won a championship?

Sounds like terry is much better to me

[Neo.]

Trying to compare Jason terry with John Starks and crush Ehlo when turtlehead outplayed Lebron while Jordan use Starks and Ehlo has his personal toilet seats.

um, ok? i don't think you even know what the heck you're talking about at this point


My bad. Left out some emojis. That would’ve made it a great point.

so why don't you make it a great point

oh bc you cant bc it's clearly retarded to think ehlo had anywhere near the career Jason Terry had

[Neo.]

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

and who were the dominant wing scorers they were having to defend? Penny? Clyde? Reggie? rofl

let's see how they do having to defend a guy like Wade, Pierce, Kobe, LeBron, KD, harden, Melo, PG, derozen, etc on a nighly basis. The league has far more wing scoring threats than ever, thanks to how Mike changed the game

[lefty]

Jordan’s three got progressively better later in his career.

It’s not like the three is such a disgustingly difficult shot to make for nbaers. Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge is getting better through time.

As for defense there are still the Marco bellenellis and James Hardens of the world. You guys make it sound like the league is covered with prime Kawhi.

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

Jordan’s 3 percentage went up during the shortened line era and went back to a shitty 29% when the NBA went back to the regular 3 pt line :lmao

[lefty]

So basically ehlo couldn't crack the lineup of a finals team, while terry was the #2 option on multiple finals teams, one of which won a championship?

Sounds like terry is much better to me

Well duh
It’s common sense

And Terry didn’t play for the Mississipi Jets :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

jordan benefitted from putting ewing on the posters, large media market...

now replace ewing 91-93 with either drob, olujuwon 91-93...do the knicks get pass the bulls?

[FrostKing]

jordan benefitted from putting ewing on the posters, large media market...

now replace ewing 91-93 with either drob, olujuwon 91-93...do the knicks get pass the bulls?
Comparing Ewing's numbers in the playoffs versus the Bulls

In 1991 he had a poor showing and the Knicks were swept. But in 1989, 1992, 1993 and 1996 he had strong series as the Knicks best player on the court.


There wasn't much of an increase in his production in 1994 when the NYK finally broke thru. Which player upped their game - John Starks.

[HarlemHeat37]

Episode 5 is the best, tbh. It highlights why Jordan is so beloved by Caucasians.

[ambchang]

um, ok? i don't think you even know what the heck you're talking about at this point



so why don't you make it a great point

oh bc you cant bc it's clearly retarded to think ehlo had anywhere near the career Jason Terry had

The point was that terry wasn’t much better than Starks or Ehlo and he outplayed Lebron whole Jordan destroyed the other two on a regular basis.

Starks made the all star team. Was strong on defense.

Terry was a good scorer.

Ehlo was a good defender and smart shooter.

They are all role players.

[ambchang]

and who were the dominant wing scorers they were having to defend? Penny? Clyde? Reggie? rofl

let's see how they do having to defend a guy like Wade, Pierce, Kobe, LeBron, KD, harden, Melo, PG, derozen, etc on a nighly basis. The league has far more wing scoring threats than ever, thanks to how Mike changed the game


As the entire perimeter defense is changed?

Drexler Payton penny and hill are on the same level with the wades and pierces of the world.

Ever wonder why perimeter play is so dominant now? Rule changes.