Red Sox also decoded signs according to Manfred

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So in one case it is the job of the GM to be aware of what players and staff are doing. On the other hand, Boston’s FO was unaware of what they guy who got them caught using Apple watches the year before was doing :lol

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Lol we didn’t cheat though.

You still gotta hold the asterisk, John. :lol

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Lol we didn’t cheat though.

You still gotta hold the asterisk, John. :lol
Remind me why you lost a draft pick?

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“We didn’t cheat but we were docked a draft pick because we did nothing wrong” :lmao

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Btw, yes Sox did cheat in 17 as well. And got fined for it.

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Remind me why you lost a draft pick?

Second round picks are important to you?

The report clearly states that they were nowhere at the Astros level. You’re still my boy but don’t try to drag us with your blatant cheating ass. :lol

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Second round picks are important to you?

The report clearly states that they were nowhere at the Astros level. You’re still my boy but don’t try to drag us with your blatant cheating ass. :lol
You my Nigga too, but Sox did cheat and are repeat offenders. It’s like Ken Rosenthal said, the only reason Boston didn’t get the same treatment as the Astros is because the Sox didn’t have a Fiers like whistleblower

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Don’t try to downplay or differentiate. Embrace it.



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welcome to the club my nig. Drinks right over there by the bar :toast

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Don’t try to downplay or differentiate.

funny because thats exactly all youve been doing

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They made sure to specifically state that Cora was only suspended for his involvement with the Astros :lmao

CHEATSTROS!

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You my Nigga too, but Sox did cheat and are repeat offenders. It’s like Ken Rosenthal said, the only reason Boston didn’t get the same treatment as the Astros is because the Sox didn’t have a Fiers like whistleblower

The Sox clearly didn’t do anything even close to resembling the blatant cheating of the Cheatstros. It’s like saying a guy busted for weed and a serial killer are both equal criminals :lmao

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Watkins denied acting on in-game information. But up to 11 players disagreed with his denial. When presented with their accounts, Watkins said they misunderstood his actions.

Players did use the in-game information with a runner at second base. They told investigators that they did not know obtaining and using such information was against the rules.

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The Sox clearly didn’t do anything even close to resembling the blatant cheating of the Cheatstros. It’s like saying a guy busted for weed and a serial killer are both equal criminals :lmao
They cheated. With the Apple watches in 17. And now In 18 with the sign stealing. I give them credit. They kept their mouths shut and blamed the video operator :lmao

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Watkins denied acting on in-game information. But up to 11 players disagreed with his denial. When presented with their accounts, Watkins said they misunderstood his actions.

Players did use the in-game information with a runner at second base. They told investigators that they did not know obtaining and using such information was against the rules.
Hmmm so they did use the information???

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Btw. You either cheat or you don’t. You destroy your argument that you are against cheating when you admit “well it was minor cheating”. :lmao

it’s cheating. You agree with it or you don’t

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Trying desperately to prove his team aren’t the biggest cheaters this sport has ever seen :lmao

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The Sox knew what pitches were coming :lmao

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The Sox knew what pitches were coming :lmao


That's not exactly true. First you needed a guy in second base then you needed the guy in the replay room to guess the pitch which didn't happen on every single play.


Also never happened during the Playoffs. :hat

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So the Sox were correctly “guessing” pitches by the second inning of a playoff game? :lol

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Pretty interesting that the dugout “guessed” that pitched before the pitch was even thrown, maybe like somebody may have known some signs. :lol

It’s all good though. Sox cheated in 2017 stealing signs using Apple watches and got caught and fined. Now , they say they they didn’t use it in the playoffs though they went right back to cheating in 2018 after getting caught? :lol

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Still nowhere near the level of cheaters that the Cheatstros are.

A speeding violation vs grand theft auto tbh

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The Sox clearly didn’t do anything even close to resembling the blatant cheating of the Cheatstros. It’s like saying a guy busted for weed and a serial killer are both equal criminals :lmao
“Cheating is okay because it wasn’t as bad”

:lmao

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Still nowhere near the level of cheaters that the Cheatstros are.

A speeding violation vs grand theft auto tbh
Cheating good now. Did it give them an advantage?

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“Cheating is okay because it wasn’t as bad”

:lmao

Any time an offensive lineman holds, they’re cheating. Therefore, Texans and Patriots are equally cheaters, right?

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Cheating good now. Did it give them an advantage?

Probably negligible.

When the percentage of reaching second base is 19% league wide, whatever advantage you get is marginal.

How many times did the Red Sox get on second base? Percentage is probably less than half of a percent per game.

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Probably negligible.

When the percentage of reaching second base is 19% league wide, whatever advantage you get is marginal.

How many times did the Red Sox get on second base? Percentage is probably less than half of a percent per game.

I dont know let's get midnightpulp in on this. Do the math, son.

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Any time an offensive lineman holds, they’re cheating. Therefore, Texans and Patriots are equally cheaters, right?

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Any time an offensive lineman holds, they’re cheating. Therefore, Texans and Patriots are equally cheaters, right?
In terms of baseball, baseball writers and voters are hypocrites and so are the fans. It’s glorified in MLB, because if it wasn’t, you wouldn’t have cheaters in the HOF. Mickey Mantle used PEDs. Babe Ruth. Hank Aaron used “greenies”. Rogers Hornsby. Gaylord Perry. 1961 Tigers using a scout In the stands to send signs to the hitters. 1901 Phillies using electrical sound waves, or buzzers, to send signs to the hitters.
If baseball was serious about cheating, they wouldn’t have a hall of fame.

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“In 1973, a Congressional subcommittee announced that its staff had completed an “in depth study into the use of illegal and dangerous drugs in sports” including professional baseball. The subcommittee concluded that “the degree of improper drug use – primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids – can only be described as alarming.”




In 1973.

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In terms of baseball, baseball writers and voters are hypocrites and so are the fans. It’s glorified in MLB, because if it wasn’t, you wouldn’t have cheaters in the HOF. Mickey Mantle used PEDs. Babe Ruth. Hank Aaron used “greenies”. Rogers Hornsby. Gaylord Perry. 1961 Tigers using a scout In the stands to send signs to the hitters. 1901 Phillies using electrical sound waves, or buzzers, to send signs to the hitters.
If baseball was serious about cheating, they wouldn’t have a hall of fame.
Non-sequitur. Either there’s levels of cheating or there aren’t.

Texans being just as big of cheaters as Patriots confirmed.

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But the format is strikingly similar to a system that Cleveland ran in 1959 and 1960. It was eventually described by Chuck Tanner, who had been an outfielder with the team at the time, and was the manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates when he told Pittsburgh Press about it in 1979:
“‘A guy sat in centerfield and looked through a telescope,’ Tanner said. ‘He had a buzzer that would ring once for fastball, twice for a curve, and three times for a pitchout.’ The buzzer sounded in a restroom adjacent to the Indian dugout. The messenger inside would bang the message on the door, a coach in the dugout would relay it to the hitter. The system worked until the Indians made a trade. They were afraid the traded player would turn them in.”


Yet I was told the Astros were the first to devise a system like this :rollin

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https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/19/sports/opponents-claim-the-mets-are-stealing-signs-via-video.html


97 Mets

http://a.espncdn.com/mlb/news/1999/0915/59846.html


99 Indians

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1976 Yankees
Manfred found in his research that this incident stood as the most recent penalty related to sign-stealing—though not directly.
Yankees scout Clyde King served as the team’s “eye in the sky” to position defenders during the postseason. King communicated with coach Gene Michael in the dugout via walkie-talkies. Manager Billy Martin claimed the commissioner’s office approved the system, but the Reds protested during World Series Game 1 when King and two other New York scouts, Tebbetts and Karl Kuehl, set up their operation in a CBS radio booth equipped with a TV monitor—not in the stands.
The Reds publicity director, Jim Ferguson, told them the commissioner wanted them to stop for fear they were stealing the signals of catcher Johnny Bench off the monitor and relaying them to the dugout. He ejected them from the booth.

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I’m biased of course. this article is an accurate portrayal of Confirmed incidents, with walker talkies, buzzers, cameras and tv monitors. Baseball has always been dirty. An example,

Rogers Hornsby, the amazing Second Baseman of the St Louis Cardinals who batted over .400 three times in his career said “I’ve been in pro baseball since 1914 and I’ve cheated, or watched someone on my team cheat, in practically every game. You’ve got to cheat.”

Hank Greenberg, one of the premier power hitters of his day discussed how the stealing of signs helped him. “I loved that. I was the greatest hitter in the world when I knew what kind of pitch was coming up.”

Mind you, admitted to cheating. And are HOFs. Baseball is the dirtiest game on the planet. Like I said, MLB has done very little in the past to curbtail cheating, especially illegal sign stealing. Read the article. And If steroids were more widely accepted as being the lesser of two evils, there wouldn’t be 80 game bans :lol


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2020/01/23/sign-stealing-history-astros-red-sox