Why Does An 87-Year-Old Man With Pneumonia 'Catching' COVID-19 In A Highly Contagious Hospital Count In The Numbers?

[Spurtacular]

Speaking of Pocohantas and her brother....

Seems to me that if we're going to be considering future shutdowns, etc., we should have common sense calculus.

[DMC]

Anyone who dies who has the disease is counted whether or not the disease caused the deaths. This is why you have to factor in all the variables when making an assessment, but mostly these other cases are statistical noise and won't affect the overall message.

[hater]

yup only under 25 blonde hairy healthy aryan men who die should be counted :lol

[Spurtacular]

yup only under 25 blonde hairy healthy aryan men who die should be counted :lol

Pretty sure they're at a 99.99999999999999 percent survival rate. Makes no sense for them to not be allowed to work.

[spurraider21]

Anyone who dies who has the disease is counted whether or not the disease caused the deaths. This is why you have to factor in all the variables when making an assessment, but mostly these other cases are statistical noise and won't affect the overall message.
i doubt people with covid who died in an automobile accident are counted, but i cant really confirm or deny

[spurraider21]

Speaking of Pocohantas and her brother....

Seems to me that if we're going to be considering future shutdowns, etc., we should have common sense calculus.
so he caught covid and died as a result? yes he should be counted.

[Spurtacular]

so he caught covid and died fas a result? yes he should be counted.

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not betting on 87-year-olds hospitalized with pneumonia in the first place.

[Spurtacular]

i doubt people with covid who died in an automobile accident are counted, but i cant really confirm or deny

Are you saying they should be?

:lol Good job, Philo

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe. Maybe not.Doctor Dunnomaybedavdiderp

[spurraider21]

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not betting on 87-year-olds hospitalized with pneumonia in the first place.
they said he was recovering from pneumonia

[spurraider21]

Are you saying they should be?

:lol Good job, Philo
no, i dont think they should

:lol detective derp

[apalisoc_9]

Because COVID caused the death of said 87 year old not his age or the hospital.

Clowns like OP exist in the medical field in the US who politicize these numbers. Very worrisome for people who create and develop models to create informed exist strategies.

Basically OP is contributing in the deaths of americans...

Just disgusting.

[ChumpDumper]

Because COVID caused the death of said 87 year old not his age or the hospital.

Clowns like OP exist in the medical field in the US who politicize these numbers. Very worrisome for people who create and develop models to create informed exist strategies.

Basically OP is contributing in the deaths of americans...

Just disgusting.He doesn't want old people in nursing homes to count; wants them to be quickly forgotten.

[DMC]

i doubt people with covid who died in an automobile accident are counted, but i cant really confirm or deny

At an April 7 news conference, Deborah Birx, MD, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said, "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem -- some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

[spurraider21]

At an April 7 news conference, Deborah Birx, MD, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said, "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem -- some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."
i dont mind what she mentioned, much like how people dont usually die of AIDS itself, but infections that become more dangerous when you have it.

i dont know that what she said applies to people who died in car accidents or gunshots, etc. you can take it at its most literal if you want to be obtuse, but the context doesnt imply it at all

[DMC]

i dont mind what she mentioned, much like how people dont usually die of AIDS itself, but infections that become more dangerous when you have it.

i dont know that what she said applies to people who died in car accidents or gunshots, etc. you can take it at its most literal if you want to be obtuse, but the context doesnt imply it at all

If you're saying they were diagnosed with the virus already, you'd need to explain how they died. Since active cases are closed by recovery or death, it seems regardless how you died, if you didn't recover you must have died if the case is closed.

The subject in the OP didn't die in a car accident or by gunshot. He also didn't die in an escalator accident.

[SnakeBoy]

All we can be sure of is that he had a long life, was a sexist, and died of natural causes

[pgardn]

Yes.

All the 87 yos with Covid and Pneumonia are going to reek havoc with already hard to count numbers.
big problem...

[Spurtacular]

they said he was recovering from pneumonia

Obviously not.

[spurraider21]

Obviously not.
how so? he caught covid. that would worsen your condition.

if i was recovering from pneumonia and then died in a car crash, that doesnt mean i was recovering pneumonia :lol

[Spurtacular]

how so? he caught covid. that would worsen your condition.

if i was recovering from pneumonia and then died in a car crash, that doesnt mean i was recovering pneumonia :lol

People with pneumonia catch all kinds of things. It's a death knell for people in their 80's.

[TheGreatYacht]

Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated

https://youtu.be/_5wn1qs_bBk

[TheGreatYacht]

My letter of resignation to Stewart Rhodes, Founder and President of Oath Keepers.

On April 3, I tendered my resignation as National Chaplain of Oath Keepers, a position I had held since 2013. It was written not out of pleasure but out of conviction. Here is the letter:

Dear Stewart,

Having read your open letter to State governors regarding the coronavirus, I have no choice but to resign my position as National Chaplain of Oath Keepers.

The stated purpose of Oath Keepers is to hold accountable those who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution—and that includes YOU.

Virtually every recommendation you made in your letter is an egregious violation of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. No war, no “emergency,” no sickness, no disease, no man-made or natural attack against us has any bearing against the constitutional protections of our liberties.

By resorting to gross fearmongering and hyperbole, you have joined the mainstream media and Big Government medical hacks in attacking virtually every constitutionally protected liberty upon which our country was founded. The “science” surrounding COVID-19 is mostly guesswork, estimation, projection, speculation, etc., with almost zero accuracy. And even if it wasn’t, it wouldn’t change the Constitution and Bill of Rights one iota.

I cannot see into your heart to know your motives. Do the feds have something on you and you are playing ball to stay out of trouble? Have you always been controlled opposition? Or do you really support the totalitarian nature of the “solutions” you are proposing? Only you know the answers to those questions.

The one thing I do know is that I can no longer in good conscience be formally associated with Oath Keepers.

This resignation is effective immediately.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200423195736/https://m.facebook.com/ChuckBaldwinMT/posts/3182658428411726?__tn__=-R

[DMC]

Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated

https://youtu.be/_5wn1qs_bBk

I stopped listening when she said "amen?".

What she's saying amounts to common practice and we don't question it for the flu.

[rascal]

There are also many people dying of Covid-19 who are not being counted as they die at home and never get tested.

[Spurtacular]

There are also many people dying of Covid-19...die at home

:lol No.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol No.No person has ever died of COVID-19 at home?

Is this your claim?

[pgardn]

:lol No.

Yes.

fckn idiot.

We don’t know exactly how many but it’s clear people have avoided hospitals and died in their home complications due to this infection. But if you are so concerned with overcounts and you dismiss this, you don’t want the truth.

But we already knew this 9-11 Incel boy.

[Xevious]

:lol No.
I can name one person who was the spouse of a covid + patient recovering in a hospital here that died at home alone.

Sample size of one, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that it has happened many other times.

[Spurtacular]

Yes.

fckn idiot.

We don’t know exactly how many but it’s clear people have avoided hospitals and died in their home complications due to this infection. But if you are so concerned with overcounts and you dismiss this, you don’t want the truth.

But we already knew this 9-11 Incel boy.

People dying with a disease that shuts down the lungs go to the hospital. The only exceptions are people alone and destitute and possibly ready for it to be over. Sorry, Cuck Garden.

[Spurtacular]

I can name one person who was the spouse of a covid + patient recovering in a hospital here that died at home alone.

Sample size of one, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that it has happened many other times.

Was the person in the hospital or at home alone? Make up your mind.

[ElNono]

I can name one person who was the spouse of a covid + patient recovering in a hospital here that died at home alone.

Sample size of one, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that it has happened many other times.

The first two recorded cases of Covid in the US, in Santa Ana, CA, died at home

[ChumpDumper]

People dying with a disease that shuts down the lungs go to the hospital. The only exceptions are people alone and destitute and possibly ready for it to be over. Sorry, Cuck Garden.:lol you think you can make rules for every person with a respiratory disease in the US.

[ChumpDumper]

The first two recorded cases of Covid in the US, in Santa Ana, CA, died at homeConspiracy talk incoming.

I can't say theory, because he has none.

[ElNono]

Sorry, it was Santa Clara, CA...

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3081330/coronavirus-covid-19-us-earlier-first-thought-and

[DMC]

There are also many people dying of Covid-19 who are not being counted as they die at home and never get tested.

Maybe right but it's unknowable.

[DMC]

Was the person in the hospital or at home alone? Make up your mind.

Spouse of a covid positive patient who was recovering in a hospital.. One was in a hospital, one was at home.

[Xevious]

Was the person in the hospital or at home alone? Make up your mind.
Maybe I wasn't clear. Husband was in the hospital with covid, wife was home alone and died. She was quarantined, wasn't feeling well, and stopped picking up the phone. Police were called to the house and found her.

[Spurtacular]

Maybe I wasn't clear. Husband was in the hospital with covid, wife was home alone and died. She was quarantined, wasn't feeling well, and stopped picking up the phone. Police were called to the house and found her.

When did this occur?

[Xevious]

When did this occur?
Several weeks ago.