FACT::: AZ will decide the election

[Millennial_Messiah]

Book it.

Remember, McSally is trailing, and in Presidential election years, swing states almost always as a rule swing the same way for the Senator as for the Presidency. The fate of Trump may be in her (and her campaigners') hands. She is running against a likeable space astronaut.

Extremely hard to see Trump winning without AZ. Trump will need 2 of 3 of AZ, WI and MI, most likely, since Biden is winning his home PA. Then again, winning AZ puts Trump in the driver's seat because he will only need to win one of MI, WI, MN (?) or another similar state to win re-election.

As AZ is a late night state, we will be up until wayyyyyyy late into the night to determine a winner. Oh, the nerve wracking!!!!!

Book it.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have no problem going to sleep and finding out the next day who won. Watching YouTube's of Hillary fans crying was almost as good as being there.

[TimDunkem]

How the fuck is Mark Kelly not blowing out that GOP stooge? He's an astronaut, ffs.

[RandomGuy]

I have no problem going to sleep and finding out the next day who won. Watching YouTube's of Hillary fans crying was almost as good as being there.

Wait until Dear Leader starts talking about "rigged elections" and "coups". That will seem downright quaint.

[RandomGuy]

Book it.

Remember, McSally is trailing, and in Presidential election years, swing states almost always as a rule swing the same way for the Senator as for the Presidency. The fate of Trump may be in her (and her campaigners') hands. She is running against a likeable space astronaut.

Extremely hard to see Trump winning without AZ. Trump will need 2 of 3 of AZ, WI and MI, most likely, since Biden is winning his home PA. Then again, winning AZ puts Trump in the driver's seat because he will only need to win one of MI, WI, MN (?) or another similar state to win re-election.

As AZ is a late night state, we will be up until wayyyyyyy late into the night to determine a winner. Oh, the nerve wracking!!!!!

Book it.

Nope. Funny to see Gabes like you think that though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g

You have sunk into a deeply delusional world view, and only you can escape the cage you built for yourself.

I will point out the bars of the cage now.

What data are you basing your prediction on?

[Millennial_Messiah]

How the fuck is Mark Kelly not blowing out that GOP stooge? He's an astronaut, ffs.
because AZ is geriatric. soooo many culburns.

[pgardn]

Battle fatigue sales gonna sky rocket when Trump loses.
If a virus can bring out assault weapons, a Trump loss... will they commandeer tanks?

[Reck]

How the fuck is Mark Kelly not blowing out that GOP stooge? He's an astronaut, ffs.

I think 9 points constitutes a blow out.

He's anywhere between 12 and 9 points. She has no chance. GOP going full retard putting someone who lost a seat there and then gifting her another. The end result is another L.

[elbamba1]

Book it.

Remember, McSally is trailing, and in Presidential election years, swing states almost always as a rule swing the same way for the Senator as for the Presidency. The fate of Trump may be in her (and her campaigners') hands. She is running against a likeable space astronaut.

Extremely hard to see Trump winning without AZ. Trump will need 2 of 3 of AZ, WI and MI, most likely, since Biden is winning his home PA. Then again, winning AZ puts Trump in the driver's seat because he will only need to win one of MI, WI, MN (?) or another similar state to win re-election.

As AZ is a late night state, we will be up until wayyyyyyy late into the night to determine a winner. Oh, the nerve wracking!!!!!

Book it.

Isn't Biden from Delaware?

[boutons_deux]

Battle fatigue sales gonna sky rocket when Trump loses.

If a virus can bring out assault weapons, a Trump loss... will they commandeer tanks?

what we see now is the right wing extremist Boogaloo Boyz trying to start an insurrection,

taking the social/economic pandemic crisis as the opportunity to make their move

[Will Hunting]

Isn't Biden from Delaware?
He’s born and raised in Scranton PA. He moved to Delaware because it’s a great state for corporate prostitutes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

He’s born and raised in Scranton PA. He moved to Delaware because it’s a great state for corporate prostitutes.

that, and, DE is lapis lazuli blue; PA has been on the blue side of purple until 2016.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think 9 points constitutes a blow out.

He's anywhere between 12 and 9 points. She has no chance. GOP going full retard putting someone who lost a seat there and then gifting her another. The end result is another L.
And thus an "L" upstream for the presidential candidate. ~70% of voters vote straight ticket. People will especially want to be in and out of the ballots due to lingering effects (or a possible second wave) of COVID-19.

[RandomGuy]

Battle fatigue sales gonna sky rocket when Trump loses.
If a virus can bring out assault weapons, a Trump loss... will they commandeer tanks?

If Trump does not bow out gracefully, and there is no indication he will, his nutbar followers will be egged on by the alt-right boogaloo boys trying to start a race war.

I generally hate going out on a limb for stuff like this, but I am reasonably sure there will be violence when Trump loses. I think he will go so far as to say something actively seditious, that can be directly linked to a violent act.

Republican party is going to have to own that.

[RandomGuy]

Book it.

Remember, McSally is trailing, and in Presidential election years, swing states almost always as a rule swing the same way for the Senator as for the Presidency. The fate of Trump may be in her (and her campaigners') hands. She is running against a likeable space astronaut.

Extremely hard to see Trump winning without AZ. Trump will need 2 of 3 of AZ, WI and MI, most likely, since Biden is winning his home PA. Then again, winning AZ puts Trump in the driver's seat because he will only need to win one of MI, WI, MN (?) or another similar state to win re-election.

As AZ is a late night state, we will be up until wayyyyyyy late into the night to determine a winner. Oh, the nerve wracking!!!!!

Book it.

Also:

Get ready to own this one. Not as bad as Threads endless turd sandwich, but your delusions are keeping you from accurately modeling reality.

[DMC]

I have no problem going to sleep and finding out the next day who won. Watching YouTube's of Hillary fans crying was almost as good as being there.

Still delivers 4 years later tbh

[DMC]

Wait until Dear Leader starts talking about "rigged elections" and "coups". That will seem downright quaint.

Ironic since the left has been spouting that shit for 4 years including all the "armed/masked men" attacking Seattle.

[ducks]

How the fuck is Mark Kelly not blowing out that GOP stooge? He's an astronaut, ffs.

Yes going to space makes him know everything and we should bow and worship him

[DMC]

There's an asian guy who's a physician, a Navy SEAL and astronaut. Fucking underachiever.

[ElNono]

This thread pretty much cements AZ will not decide the election...

[RandomGuy]

Ironic since the left has been spouting that shit for 4 years including all the "armed/masked men" attacking Seattle.

Giving up on strawman lies, to go for a different kind of lie.

You sure got me there.

It must suck to have your end of the spectrum be so provably violent and stupid these days.

Have some more bleach Kool-aid.

[DMC]

Giving up on strawman lies, to go for a different kind of lie.

You sure got me there.

It must suck to have your end of the spectrum be so provably violent and stupid these days.

Have some more bleach Kool-aid.

How many killing in Chicago yesterday? Oh right, doesn't matter.

How many killings in Michigan with all these armed masked men?

Any store windows broken? Any cars burned? Do tell.

[RandomGuy]

How many killing in Chicago yesterday? Oh right, doesn't matter.

How many killings in Michigan with all these armed masked men?

Any store windows broken? Any cars burned? Do tell.

Another hour, another lie. Switched from strawmen to false equivalence.

At least you're trying a new schtick to not have a take, No-Take.

[DMC]

Another hour, another lie. Switched from strawmen to false equivalence.

At least you're trying a new schtick to not have a take, No-Take.

So lots of Chicago killings that don't matter and zero from the dangerous, gun toting non-law breakers. Got it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Trump does not bow out gracefully, and there is no indication he will, his nutbar followers will be egged on by the alt-right boogaloo boys trying to start a race war.

I generally hate going out on a limb for stuff like this, but I am reasonably sure there will be violence when Trump loses. I think he will go so far as to say something actively seditious, that can be directly linked to a violent act.

Republican party is going to have to own that.

yeah, if he loses the EC, he will definitely start a military coup and make executive orders to attempt to maintain power. We could be looking at history repeating itself when the Great Roman Republic changed almost overnight into the Great Roman Empire.

[boutons_deux]

you assholes can childishly piss at each other for pages

https://media.tenor.com/images/f39586606e621ba18906f3a54a6348e5/tenor.gif

[RandomGuy]

yeah, if he loses the EC, he will definitely start a military coup and make executive orders to attempt to maintain power. We could be looking at history repeating itself when the Great Roman Republic changed almost overnight into the Great Roman Empire.

Nothing quite so extreme. Trump is simply not capable of those kinds of things He is both too lazy, and too incompetent. The sniveling snots under him aren't much better.. He will be told in no uncertain terms by his generals to GTFO. There is that saving grace.

There will be boogaloo boys waiting in the wings to act out their fantasies though. They are already pushing the envelope. Trump snipping at the edges will seem to fit their delusions about having a great white leader though.

Fun strawman though.

[RandomGuy]

So lots of Chicago killings that don't matter and zero from the dangerous, gun toting non-law breakers. Got it.

Another non-take fascist lie from No-Take. Got it. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore. There is that at least.

[DMC]

Another non-take fascist lie from No-Take. Got it. You guys aren't even trying to hide it anymore. There is that at least.

You're staying far away from that shit :lol

[RandomGuy]

You're staying far away from that shit :lol

I do not care about your lies, no.

You seem to care about the fascist ideology that underpins them. Your schtick I guess. Monarchy and hierarchy is in the DNA of your worldview. I doubt you even understand that.

[DMC]

I do not care about your lies, no.

You seem to care about the fascist ideology that underpins them. Your schtick I guess. Monarchy and hierarchy is in the DNA of your worldview. I doubt you even understand that.

:lol you're so full of shit.

[RandomGuy]

:lol you're so full of shit.

I see you have me in the crushing grip of reason.

Modern Conservative moment's underpinnings originate in anti-democratic, pro-monarchist writings that were penned to prop up kings and monarchies in Europe around the time of the French revolution.

The kind of anti-egalitarian "ruling class is better" sentiment can pretty much trace its roots back to that. "job creators" is a good short hand for that. Worshipping wealth and power sort of follow naturally.

[boutons_deux]

Arizona GOP frantic Trump-loving Martha McSally is running repeat of her failed 2018 campaign

Sen. Martha McSally (R-AZ) (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/01/mcsally-2020-arizona-kelly-118247) is running a slash and burn campaign against her opponent that

has some Republican officials worried (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/liberal-hack-attacker-mcsally-trashed-by-ex-gop-lawmaker-for-desperation-move-to-save-her-seat/) she is repeating the same mistakes that cost her a win in the 2018 election.

is running hard to keep her seat with polls showing her seven points down to Mark Kelly,

“McSally stood by her voting record with Trump (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/republican-marthy-mcsally-absolutely-destroyed-by-gop-consultant-for-her-defense-of-trump/) — 91 percent in the Senate, according to FiveThirtyEight —

saying it showed her colleagues were putting good legislation on his desk.

She also defended voting to support the border emergency, saying Trump had the legal authority to declare it and

blaming Democrats for creating a ‘false choice’ between funding the military and border security,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/arizonan-gop-frantic-trump-loving-martha-mcsally-is-running-repeat-of-her-failed-2018-campaign/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/arizonan-gop-frantic-trump-loving-martha-mcsally-is-running-repeat-of-her-failed-2018-campaign/)

[DMC]

I see you have me in the crushing grip of reason.

Modern Conservative moment's underpinnings originate in anti-democratic, pro-monarchist writings that were penned to prop up kings and monarchies in Europe around the time of the French revolution.

The kind of anti-egalitarian "ruling class is better" sentiment can pretty much trace its roots back to that. "job creators" is a good short hand for that. Worshipping wealth and power sort of follow naturally.

Of course that's your contention. You're a wannabe grad student. You just got finished readin' some philospher -- John Locke probably. You're gonna be convinced of that 'til next month when you get to Marx, and then you're gonna be talkin' about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year -- you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.

[RandomGuy]

Of course that's your contention. You're a wannabe grad student. You just got finished readin' some philospher -- John Locke probably. You're gonna be convinced of that 'til next month when you get to Marx, and then you're gonna be talkin' about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year -- you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.

More personal attacks. I see you still have me in the crushing grip of reason.

Weird how the stock markets are plunging so much when no infrastructure has been destroyed and no natural resources have been depleted. Almost like all that value actually comes from peoples labor.

I wonder if anyone's written anything about this?

[RandomGuy]

Book it.

Remember, McSally is trailing, and in Presidential election years, swing states almost always as a rule swing the same way for the Senator as for the Presidency. The fate of Trump may be in her (and her campaigners') hands. She is running against a likeable space astronaut.

Extremely hard to see Trump winning without AZ. Trump will need 2 of 3 of AZ, WI and MI, most likely, since Biden is winning his home PA. Then again, winning AZ puts Trump in the driver's seat because he will only need to win one of MI, WI, MN (?) or another similar state to win re-election.

As AZ is a late night state, we will be up until wayyyyyyy late into the night to determine a winner. Oh, the nerve wracking!!!!!

Book it.

:lmao

Booked.

Arizona will not decide the election. Bidens margin of victory at this point looks to be multiples of Arizona's total electoral count.

[IronMexican]

:lmao

Booked.

Arizona will not decide the election. Bidens margin of victory at this point looks to be multiples of Arizona's total electoral count.

Like you libs learned nothing from 2016

[Millennial_Messiah]

Like you libs learned nothing from 2016

Agreed 110%. For example, Wisconsin was listed in the "Likely Clinton" column by RCP on the afternoon of November 8th, 2016. We all know what happened that evening.

The dems need to understand that annexing AZ from red to blue will be a big long term boon (also a sort of buffer state that the GOP had that would always go first before the Dems could ever have any shot at taking stabs at the big prize of Texas), when the northern states ultimately don't go their way again; with a mega-fold increase in identity politics, the demographics of the North just don't favor the Democratic party anymore, particularly in presidential elections.

When WI, MI, OH, and of course FL and NC go Trump again, Biden will be sorely needing to not only take back PA but also annex AZ to have a shot to win the election. Then and only then can the Dems begin to work on a 20-year plan to annex the Big Kahuna... Texas.

[IronMexican]

Agreed 110%. For example, Wisconsin was listed in the "Likely Clinton" column by RCP on the afternoon of November 8th, 2016. We all know what happened that evening.

The dems need to understand that annexing AZ from red to blue will be a big long term boon (also a sort of buffer state that the GOP had that would always go first before the Dems could ever have any shot at taking stabs at the big prize of Texas), when the northern states ultimately don't go their way again; with a mega-fold increase in identity politics, the demographics of the North just don't favor the Democratic party anymore, particularly in presidential elections.

When WI, MI, OH, and of course FL and NC go Trump again, Biden will be sorely needing to not only take back PA but also annex AZ to have a shot to win the election. Then and only then can the Dems begin to work on a 20-year plan to annex the Big Kahuna... Texas.

Suck a dick

[RandomGuy]

Like you libs learned nothing from 2016

Learned a lot, actually. Odds are odds. 60% chance of winning still means a 40% chance of losing.

Thing is that the odds are even longer this time. Flip Texas... and it is a done deal not matter what the other swing states do.

[IronMexican]

Learned a lot, actually. Odds are odds. 60% chance of winning still means a 40% chance of losing.

Thing is that the odds are even longer this time. Flip Texas... and it is a done deal not matter what the other swing states do.

Yes, odds are longer this time, but it's July. For how much you guys love Comey, I think he probably costed her that election. If he saves whatever he has to say till the day after, that is

[Millennial_Messiah]

Learned a lot, actually. Odds are odds. 60% chance of winning still means a 40% chance of losing.

Thing is that the odds are even longer this time. Flip Texas... and it is a done deal not matter what the other swing states do.

2040 is much more realistic for that. Arizona is a natural first step in that direction, though.

With the mega-fold increase in identity politics, could easily start seeing most of the NE states (not NY of course) flipping red by that point (as well as the "Rust Belt" becoming ruby red), due to the lack of minorities. But, the Dems ultimately pick up TX and AZ, possibly FL, and compete in southern states with high black populations. The great trade-off. It'll be interesting.

[ChumpDumper]

Suck a dick:lol

[Reck]

Agreed 110%. For example, Wisconsin was listed in the "Likely Clinton" column by RCP on the afternoon of November 8th, 2016. We all know what happened that evening.

The dems need to understand that annexing AZ from red to blue will be a big long term boon (also a sort of buffer state that the GOP had that would always go first before the Dems could ever have any shot at taking stabs at the big prize of Texas), when the northern states ultimately don't go their way again; with a mega-fold increase in identity politics, the demographics of the North just don't favor the Democratic party anymore, particularly in presidential elections.

When WI, MI, OH, and of course FL and NC go Trump again, Biden will be sorely needing to not only take back PA but also annex AZ to have a shot to win the election. Then and only then can the Dems begin to work on a 20-year plan to annex the Big Kahuna... Texas.

You are extremely out of touch, dude.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You are extremely out of touch, dude.

Nah brah, you are. The flaming-faggot hipster whites in the occupy zones are the cockroaches among our ranks; they are NOT, in any way, shape or form, representative of the American White population. Plus, the median/average age of those are like 20, and we all know that voting and age are strongly positively correlated, have always been (otherwise, how did Nixon win a landslide in '72?) and always will be.

Sucks to be a MSM-sucking liberal, I guess.

[boutons_deux]

AZ? elects shitbags like this

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106102836_3658284167520998_2208354799262630829_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=Z1XyuLYyqQYAX95BARJ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=3655ddd1a48d65cff1a99e6d4453002b&oe=5F2223DC

[Spurtacular]

How the fuck is Mark Kelly not blowing out that GOP stooge? He's an astronaut, ffs.

:lmao Snowflake

[Spurtacular]

AZ? elects shitbags like this

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106102836_3658284167520998_2208354799262630829_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=Z1XyuLYyqQYAX95BARJ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=3655ddd1a48d65cff1a99e6d4453002b&oe=5F2223DC


https://i.imgur.com/K7TjlQQ.jpg

[TimDunkem]

:lmao Snowflake

Huh? People like astronauts or guys who were in the service. Not complicated. Open a fucking book, man.

[Spurtacular]

Huh? People like astronauts or guys who were in the service. Not complicated. Open a fucking book, man.

Idiots who like virtue signaling maybe.

[TimDunkem]

Idiots who like virtue signaling maybe.

Doesn't make it not true. Tf you attacking the messenger for you ankle biter? Are you really so stupid that you can't see why being an astronaut and vet could help you in an Arizona Senate race?

[Spurtacular]

Doesn't make it not true. Tf you attacking the messenger for you ankle biter?

Shot through the heart, bruh.

:cry But he's anstromuhnaught ffs :cry was really stupid. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Shot through the heart, bruh.

:cry But he's anstromuhnaught ffs :cry was really stupid. :lol

Nothing is stupider than not seeing why being an astronaut and former US Navy captain can be beneficial in an Arizona Senate race. I see why they call you Derp. Damn that Jimmer thread fucked you up.

Also, he's up in most polls so I guess I was right. Lol Derp. :lol

[Reck]

Nothing is stupider than not seeing why being an astronaut and former US Navy captain can be beneficial in an Arizona Senate race. I see why they call you Derp. Damn that Jimmer thread fucked you up.

Also, he's up in most polls so I guess I was right. Lol Derp. :lol

Lowest poll numbers are 9 points I’ve seen. :lol

He’s usually up 12-13 points.

[Spurtacular]

Nothing is stupider than not seeing why being an astronaut and former US Navy captain can be beneficial in an Arizona Senate race. I see why they call you Derp. Damn that Jimmer thread fucked you up.

Also, he's up in most polls so I guess I was right. Lol Derp. :lol

Why? Sydney MacCain was an navy pilot? Doesn't mean he wasn't a scumbag.
Good on the AZ electorate if they're not being dumb ass box checkers over shit that doesn't matter.

And :lol at the ad hominem cos you got called out on your tears.

[TimDunkem]

Why? Sydney MacCain was an navy pilot? Doesn't mean he wasn't a scumbag.
Good on the AZ electorate if they're not being dumb ass box checkers.

And :lol at the ad hominem cos you got called out on your tears.
He's winning, Derp. Now you see why I said what I said. Never said I would personally vote for him anyway, so what exactly are you arguing now?

Also, you are literally the most hostile poster on this forum and constantly attack random people. Now you're crying about ad hominems? lol Derp :lol lol Whiney little bitch. :lol

[Spurtacular]

He's winning, Derp. Now you see why I said what I said. Never said I would personally vote for him anyway, so what exactly are you arguing now?

Also, you are literally the most hostile poster on this forum and constantly attack random people. Now you're crying about ad hominems? lol Derp :lol lol Whiney little bitch. :lol

Bitch slapping ain't ad hominem when it's done during the natural course of argument.

So, he's "winning" and your crying for why, then?

[TimDunkem]

Bitch slapping ain't ad hominem when it's done during the natural course of argument.

So, he's "winning" and your crying for why, then?

He wasn't winning two months ago. You realize you quoted a two month old post right? Fuck you're dumb. :lol

[FrostKing]

I think the Northern States

On one hand Trump has failed them economically but the protests scared the shit out of them (if not destroyed their business)

[TimDunkem]

Lowest poll numbers are 9 points I’ve seen. :lol

He’s usually up 12-13 points.

Don't know what he's arguing at this point. He doesn't even know he quoted an old post. :lol Derp

[Spurtacular]

He wasn't winning two months ago. You realize you quoted a two month old post right? Fuck you're dumb. :lol

You were still crying that :cry muh astronaut's not winning :cry :lol

[TimDunkem]

You were still crying that :cry muh astronaut's not winning :cry :lol

I was wondering why he wasn't winning in Arizona. But, hey, if you want this internet W then you can have it. Looks like you really need it. :lol

[Reck]

Nah brah, you are. The flaming-faggot hipster whites in the occupy zones are the cockroaches among our ranks; they are NOT, in any way, shape or form, representative of the American White population. Plus, the median/average age of those are like 20, and we all know that voting and age are strongly positively correlated, have always been (otherwise, how did Nixon win a landslide in '72?) and always will be.

Sucks to be a MSM-sucking liberal, I guess.

How is Trump supposed to win Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when he’s down double digits there? Trump has more more pressing issues he has to worry about than trying to luck in in those 3 states again.

:lol being forced to defend Arizona and Florida. North Carolina even.

[Millennial_Messiah]

How is Trump supposed to win Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when he’s down double digits there? Trump has more more pressing issues he has to worry about than trying to luck in in those 3 states again.

:lol being forced to defend Arizona and Florida. North Carolina even.

y'all were saying the same shit in 2016, and Trump wasn't even an incumbent then. Incumbents don't lose; exception is when it's the same party's 3rd term in a row.

[Reck]

y'all were saying the same shit in 2016, and Trump wasn't even an incumbent then. Incumbents don't lose; exception is when it's the same party's 3rd term in a row.

Incumbency is not always a plus. Specially in Trump’s case.

Trump is a fraud who ran as a brick thrower promising to shake up the establishment. He has shit to run on now that he’s been exposed. Sorry you can’t see that.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Incumbency is not always a plus. Specially in Trump’s case.

Trump is a fraud who ran as a brick thrower promising to shake up the establishment. He has shit to run on now that he’s been exposed. Sorry you can’t see that.

Obummer did worse from 2009-2012 and he won a second term. The economy was shit went he took over and shit when he won reelection. He did a better job his second term. But that's just an example of the power of incumbency. The hopey changey crap from '08?!? Didn't happen. Didn't install world peace or even close down Gitmo. Was exposed as a fraud and a neocon. But if he could win a second term, anyone can.

[RandomGuy]

Agreed 110%. For example, Wisconsin was listed in the "Likely Clinton" column by RCP on the afternoon of November 8th, 2016. We all know what happened that evening.

The dems need to understand that annexing AZ from red to blue will be a big long term boon (also a sort of buffer state that the GOP had that would always go first before the Dems could ever have any shot at taking stabs at the big prize of Texas), when the northern states ultimately don't go their way again; with a mega-fold increase in identity politics, the demographics of the North just don't favor the Democratic party anymore, particularly in presidential elections.

When WI, MI, OH, and of course FL and NC go Trump again, Biden will be sorely needing to not only take back PA but also annex AZ to have a shot to win the election. Then and only then can the Dems begin to work on a 20-year plan to annex the Big Kahuna... Texas.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
1,382,536 46.45%[clinton] – 1,405,284 47.22%[trump] 10 106,674 3.58% – 31,072 1.04% – 11,855 0.40% – 38,729 1.30% – 22,748 0.77% 2,976,150 [444]

Trump won Wisconsin by 22,748 votes, or 0.77%

What you didn't learn from the 2016 election is how narrowly Trump actually won.

Long term Arizona has about as much chance of deciding an election as does Wyoming. Texas going red to blue/purple will count for five times the weight.

This coming election isn't going to be close in most places, and you can expect an across the board five to ten percent shift in voting patterns in most states, even really red ones. That is what wave elections do.

The way Trump if fucking up the 'rona response, and Republicans are following suit in fucking up, does not bode well for them this fall either. The odds of a blowout turning into an epic blowout have gotten better.


Trumps margin of victory in the electoral college was 77,000 votes, over three states. Did you know that?

[RandomGuy]

Obummer did worse from 2009-2012 and he won a second term. The economy was shit went he took over and shit when he won reelection. He did a better job his second term. But that's just an example of the power of incumbency. The hopey changey crap from '08?!? Didn't happen. Didn't install world peace or even close down Gitmo. Was exposed as a fraud and a neocon. But if he could win a second term, anyone can.

Margins of victory are always a bit less in the second term.

The economy was vastly improved in 2012, and gitmo was a tough feat to do in reality, he actively worked towards it, often at some political cost.

Most of what you believe about Obama is likely due to a very effective right wing media attack machine. It says a lot about how hard they had to work that they spent so much time on tan suits, mustard choices, and other inane trivia. No member of his administration was ever convicted, and they didn't throw out the inspectors general or ethics czar when they wanted to give their kids security clearances.

The stain of Trump will be on the Republican party for the remainder of my lifetime. It shows, in a clearcut way, how inept Republicans are when you give them public office.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Margins of victory are always a bit less in the second term.


For the Dems yes, for the GOP no. 04 & 84 & 72 vs. 96 & 12, etc.

[IronMexican]

https://i.imgur.com/K7TjlQQ.jpg

:lmao Ben is a fucking loon, but I love any of his comics that don't have Trump in them.

[Spurtacular]

How is Trump supposed to win Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when he’s down double digits there? Trump has more more pressing issues he has to worry about than trying to luck in in those 3 states again.

:lol being forced to defend Arizona and Florida. North Carolina even.

:cry Muh fake polls :cry

:lol

[RandomGuy]

For the Dems yes, for the GOP no. 04 & 84 & 72 vs. 96 & 12, etc.

:lmao

You just compared Reagan to Trump, and Bush after 9-11 to Trump. That takes some stones.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Trump is polling below where both of them were at this point in their presidency.

He is doing SLIGHTLY better than Jimmy Carter for now. And taking four elections and thinking that makes some sort of rule is some serious illusory pattern perception. It is a failure in reasoning. FWTW.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao

You just compared Reagan to Trump, and Bush after 9-11 to Trump. That takes some stones.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Trump is polling below where both of them were at this point in their presidency.

He is doing SLIGHTLY better than Jimmy Carter for now. And taking four elections and thinking that makes some sort of rule is some serious illusory pattern perception. It is a failure in reasoning. FWTW.
Reagan was inferior to Trump; he sided with the mujahideen over secularity.

[RandomGuy]

Reagan was inferior to Trump; he sided with the mujahideen over secularity.

Reagan was more popular than Trump. better/worse... meh. Don't forget about Iran-Contra where he sold guns to Iran to get money to give to death squads in central america, presumedly to fight communism.

He sided against communism in Afghanistan as well. It was kind of a big deal at the time. Ah the Cold War ended right as I joined the army. Interesting time.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Reagan was more popular than Trump. better/worse... meh. Don't forget about Iran-Contra where he sold guns to Iran to get money to give to death squads in central america, presumedly to fight communism.

He sided against communism in Afghanistan as well. It was kind of a big deal at the time. Ah the Cold War ended right as I joined the army. Interesting time.

&, they ended up in the hands of Communist Venezuela (Iran's lone western ally) a few years later, :lmao

Reagan is way overrated. Trump is far from perfect, but better than the practical alternatives. Unfortunately it's a two party country so someone like Joanne Jorgensen has no chance.

[RandomGuy]

&, they ended up in the hands of Communist Venezuela (Iran's lone western ally) a few years later, :lmao

Reagan is way overrated. Trump is far from perfect, but better than the practical alternatives. Unfortunately it's a two party country so someone like Joanne Jorgensen has no chance.

Trump is an idiot. He has done more damage to the US than I had thought possible. Insulting allies, caving to North Korea, giving Russia a total pass when that country is actively trying to destroy us.

He has corrupted and undermined all the institutions that make the country a good one to live in. We are, in every way measurable, worse off for his having been president.

We have become a global laughingstock because of Trump.

Do you want the ways he has actively broken the law, or actively violated the constitution? Jesus, you have to have your head firmly up your ass to claim "far from perfect".

[TimDunkem]

Trump is an idiot. He has done more damage to the US than I had thought possible. Insulting allies, caving to North Korea, giving Russia a total pass when that country is actively trying to destroy us.

He has corrupted and undermined all the institutions that make the country a good one to live in. We are, in every way measurable, worse off for his having been president.

We have become a global laughingstock because of Trump.

Do you want the ways he has actively broken the law, or actively violated the constitution? Jesus, you have to have your head firmly up your ass to claim "far from perfect".
Not gonna say I predicted COVID-19, but personally I knew some sort of crisis would happen and he would fuck it up beyond measure and here we are. If there's one thing Trump is consistent at it's never failing to fail. :lol

[boutons_deux]

St Ronnie was an Alzheimer's victim and out-of-touch Useful Idiot "acting" as President, but Trash is better?

Internet is eternally entertaining

[boutons_deux]

BUSTED:

Arizona GOP Sen. Martha McSally says

women in the military get pregnant to ‘skirt’ deployment in unearthed 2007 video

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/busted-arizona-gop-sen-martha-mcsally-says-women-in-the-military-get-pregnant-to-skirt-deployment-in-unearthed-2007-video/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4935

Are all Repug wimmens self-hating, dick-envious misogynists?

[boutons_deux]

Trump won Wisconsin by 22,748 votes, or 0.77%


Why did 75,335 ballots go uncounted?

https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/13/greg_palast_by_rejecting_recount_is

[RandomGuy]

Not gonna say I predicted COVID-19, but personally I knew some sort of crisis would happen and he would fuck it up beyond measure and here we are. If there's one thing Trump is consistent at it's never failing to fail. :lol

Yeah. It was obvious after the first few months that he was 100% incompetent and the first real challenge he would face, he would completely fuck up. It is sad to see that challenge be so vast. We are facing our greatest challenge in a generation with the worst president in our history.

[tholdren]

Not gonna say I predicted COVID-19, but personally I knew some sort of crisis would happen and he would fuck it up beyond measure and here we are. If there's one thing Trump is consistent at it's never failing to fail. :lol
Bwahahahahahahhahahah


You cried about having covid

[boutons_deux]

he would completely fuck up.

Trash has LOTS of fuckup help at Fed, state, municipal levels, plus the right wing hate media.

[Spurtacular]

I think 9 points constitutes a blow out.

He's anywhere between 12 and 9 points. She has no chance. GOP going full retard putting someone who lost a seat there and then gifting her another. The end result is another L.


Worried that her poll numbers will keep going up? :lol

Says a lot that she's taken like 2 weeks off and she still up 8 to 10 points up in the polls. That's just hillarious

[RandomGuy]

Book it.

Remember, McSally is trailing, and in Presidential election years, swing states almost always as a rule swing the same way for the Senator as for the Presidency. The fate of Trump may be in her (and her campaigners') hands. She is running against a likeable space astronaut.

Extremely hard to see Trump winning without AZ. Trump will need 2 of 3 of AZ, WI and MI, most likely, since Biden is winning his home PA. Then again, winning AZ puts Trump in the driver's seat because he will only need to win one of MI, WI, MN (?) or another similar state to win re-election.

As AZ is a late night state, we will be up until wayyyyyyy late into the night to determine a winner. Oh, the nerve wracking!!!!!

Book it.

You were a lot closer to this than I thought.

Props.