SCOTUS To Hear Arguments Re: Trumps Financial Records

[Spurs Homer]

Tuesday May 12,2020 @ 9 am CDT

Not sure if cable outlets airing- but C-Span 1 has it on their schedule

9 am CDT - Oral argument on Congressional Subpoenas to third party companies (Deutsche bank) for Trumps records


10 am CDT - oral argument in Trump v. Vance (presidential immunity and the NY District Attys investigation into the trump organization

:corn:


I guess if the SCOTUS whores think “immediate Win” and shield trump-

then the day will come when a really corrupt Democrat criminal president will be above the law also.

[Reck]

Yeah nothing will come of this. Everything is too corrupt right now for anything to be working properly.

Maybe under a different administration..

[Spurs Homer]

Yeah nothing will come of this. Everything is too corrupt right now for anything to be working properly.

Maybe under a different administration..

you are probably right

but once they put a president above the law


it is a double-edged sword

[Blake]

Yeah nothing will come of this. Everything is too corrupt right now for anything to be working properly.

Maybe under a different administration..

And afterwards Trump will rant about how this was just another liberal witch hunt

[Spurs Homer]

And afterwards Trump will rant about how this was just another liberal witch hunt

well its been years of stonewalling

im almost thinking they will find a way to delay this

but on the other hand- we are in a pandemic - this might be the best time for trump and his cult to hide this from the masses

[Spurtacular]

Yeah nothing will come of this. Everything is too corrupt right now for anything to be working properly.

Maybe under a different administration..

https://media1.giphy.com/media/QB78LMb32YqoE/source.gif

[Spurtacular]

And afterwards Trump will rant about how this was just another liberal witch hunt

So, you know you're playing into his hands and you're preemptively crying about it.

[Thread]

Tuesday May 12,2020 @ 9 am CDT

Not sure if cable outlets airing- but C-Span 1 has it on their schedule

9 am CDT - Oral argument on Congressional Subpoenas to third party companies (Deutsche bank) for Trumps records


10 am CDT - oral argument in Trump v. Vance (presidential immunity and the NY District Attys investigation into the trump organization

:corn:


I guess if the SCOTUS whores think “immediate Win” and shield trump-

then the day will come when a really corrupt Democrat criminal president will be above the law also.

...Obama & Clinton for instance.

[Thread]

well its been years of stonewalling

im almost thinking they will find a way to delay this

but on the other hand- we are in a pandemic - this might be the best time for trump and his cult to hide this from the masses

The kicker? There's nothing there, the old man knows it at default & everybody who's maniacally chasing him knows it, but, they're in too deep to stop.

Let us proceed...

[Spurs Homer]

The kicker? There's nothing there, the old man knows it at default & everybody who's maniacally chasing him knows it, but, they're in too deep to stop.

Let us proceed...


sure- nothing there

but lets fight it and hide everything for years and years


makes perfect sense!

[Thread]

sure- nothing there

but lets fight it and hide everything for years and years


makes perfect sense!

Precisely, and why not: it ain't costing him a red cent. He has you snortin' running around losing your minds. But, like I said the ones in the know---know they're ain't nothing there.

It's a pissin' match.

[Spurs Homer]

Precisely, and why not: it ain't costing him a red cent. He has you snortin' running around losing your minds. But, like I said the ones in the know---know they're ain't nothing there.

It's a pissin' match.

so if records from deutsche bank reveal russian oligarchs funding trumps election

you will move the goalposts to

whataboutery!

hillary dirty also!

amirite?

[DMC]

Precisely, and why not: it ain't costing him a red cent. He has you snortin' running around losing your minds. But, like I said the ones in the know---know they're ain't nothing there.

It's a pissin' match.

They cannot tell the nation a damn thing their side can do for them, so they instead focus on trying to poison the well for the right. It worked so well in 2016.

[pgardn]

The kicker? There's nothing there, the old man knows it at default & everybody who's maniacally chasing him knows it, but, they're in too deep to stop.

Let us proceed...

you mean like his charity and his school?

And it doesn’t matter if anything is there, the whole idea was to make sure you are above conflict of interest.

But ...but ... everybody does it...

[pgardn]

The most transparent president eva

[Spurs Homer]

They cannot tell the nation a damn thing their side can do for them, so they instead focus on trying to poison the well for the right. It worked so well in 2016.

#1 - they can pass another hundred bills to help the working class - from health care to election security to funding for testing for the corona

but - then Moscow Mitch will refuse to even put the bills on the floor - and blame the Dems.

#2) - What the fuck has your cult daddy accomplished - apart from scandal after scandal - and trillions to the 1% and destroying the environment?

not a fucking thing - but you wont point out his failure.


Defending
Muh
Cheetolini

[Spurs Homer]

Ruth with the goods

[Spurs Homer]

Breyer pins trump lawyer

why - if the scotus in watergate forced nixon to turn over tapes - of the “workings” of the administration at the time

why should we overturn in a weaker case?

[Spurs Homer]

Trumps lawyers trying to have it both ways

arguing for exec privilege and pres immunity-


yet - these requests for financial records are for PRIVATE CITIZEN TRump - before he was president

cant have it both ways

”harm the institution of the presidency”

but he was not prez yet-

[Winehole23]

*Whitewater

[BSfromTX]

Every president is a crook. There will always be a theatrical attempt to bring them to "justice" giving the opposition hope that there is actually a good side in all of this.

[picnroll]

Trumps lawyers trying to have it both ways

arguing for exec privilege and pres immunity-


yet - these requests for financial records are for PRIVATE CITIZEN TRump - before he was president

cant have it both ways

”harm the institution of the presidency”

but he was not prez yet-
Institution of presidency above any law, above committing any crime. President = king, USA = monarchy.

[picnroll]

Every president is a crook. There will always be a theatrical attempt to bring them to "justice" giving the opposition hope that there is actually a good side in all of this.

Trash is the Al Capone of presidents.

Betting Teash is sitting in the White House, watching the proceedings, shitting in his pants. No Moscow Mitch to guarantee a victory.

[Spurs Homer]

Attorney for the House

not very impressive Imo

he appears to be choking- even though he has the stronger case


just appears to be wilting under pressure

[boutons_deux]

Institution of presidency above any law, above committing any crime. President = king, USA = monarchy.

That's exactly the goal of the Repugs' mysterious, obsucre WTF "unitary executive" bullshit,

NO oversight of the Exec branch from Congress,

proving the Repugs' strategy is that (their) politics overrides the Constitution with a Repug President.

The Repugs will forget about unitary executive bullshit with a Dem President.

We saw that extreme hypocrisy with Moscow Mitch saying

no new SCOTUS judge proposed by a Dem President term in his last year,

but sure, of course, in the last year of a Repug President's term Bitch Mitch would approve a Repug justice.

[Thread]

you mean like his charity and his school?

And it doesn’t matter if anything is there, the whole idea was to make sure you are above conflict of interest.

But ...but ... everybody does it...

Abe Lincoln went bankrupt twice---getting away with pennies on the dollar.

[Thread]

Every president is a crook. There will always be a theatrical attempt to bring them to "justice" giving the opposition hope that there is actually a good side in all of this.

BS

[Winehole23]

Every president is a crook. There will always be a theatrical attempt to bring them to "justice" giving the opposition hope that there is actually a good side in all of this.A little over 20 years ago, SCTUS ruled that Bill Clinton had to participate persoally in civil discovery, today Trump is arguing that he has the power to stop discovery while he's in office. How doea that strike you?

[Thread]

They cannot tell the nation a damn thing their side can do for them, so they instead focus on trying to poison the well for the right. It worked so well in 2016.

Yep, that's the trough we're in & have been for decades.

[Thread]

A little over 20 years ago, SCTUS ruled that Bill Clinton had to participate persoally in civil discovery, today Trump is arguing that he has the power to stop discovery he's while in office. How doea that strike you?

You use the courts like a pro. WTF do you think we learned that trick from? You just like to dish it. You don't want to take it.

It's human.

[Spurs Homer]

A little over 20 years ago, SCTUS ruled that Bill Clinton had to participate persoally in civil discovery, today Trump is arguing that he has the power to stop discovery he's while in office. How doea that strike you?

they are arguing to stop his records coming out from BEFORE he was president


so this is for private citizen trump

but they are using the presidency to defend private citizen trump from being held to the same standard as any other citizen

[Thread]

Institution of presidency above any law, above committing any crime. President = king, USA = monarchy.

picky, gettin' his talking points & marching orders straight from MSM.

GO---PICKY---GO!!!

[Thread]

they are arguing to stop his records coming out from BEFORE he was president


so this is for private citizen trump

but they are using the presidency to defend private citizen trump from being held to the same standard as any other citizen

Oh, I get it, in & out of gov't we use the judicial system to thwart the judicial system. When Trump wants to do it, you throw up the stop sign.

No. What's good for the good is sauce for the gander.

[Thread]

Ruth with the goods

See that light, Ruth? Go toward it.

[Thread]

so if records from deutsche bank reveal russian oligarchs funding trumps election

you will move the goalposts to

whataboutery!

hillary dirty also!

amirite?

You're GD right. You started (whataboutery!) figuring we'd not follow in.

Uh, uh. You grew it, you chew it.

[Spurs Homer]

This fucking Atty (Letter) plain sucks

question after question from scotus - basically asking him (how can we go forward without harassing poor widdle twump from harassment?

Atty letter just weakly citing “legislative” reasons


i dont see why he wont go on offense and say- “national security - Mueller stated that trum team welcomed russias advances- Congress needs to know if those advances included financial incentives- this is about protecting the country from foreign intervention and possible other high crimes”

he sucks

[Spurs Homer]

Yup this bumbling faggot shit the bed

pretty sure trump keeps taxes hidden

next case re; ny da investigation/pres immunity

[picnroll]

picky, gettin' his talking points & marching orders straight from MSM.

GO---PICKY---GO!!!

Threadbare gonna be so sorry when Trash loses and the next unrestrained king is a liberal dem. What’s good for the goose ... yada, yada, yada

[boutons_deux]

Threadbare gonna be so sorry when Trash loses and the next unrestrained king is a liberal dem. What’s good for the goose ... yada, yada, yada

Repugs will abandon "unitary executive" when a Dem is President, and apply maximum oversight of the Exec branch

[Spurs Homer]

This attorney for NY sounds a whole lot more competent

he has hit on a ton of aggressive points and had aggressively pushed back on this “overly protecting a president from undue burden”

by pointing out the nixon and clinton cases and how those decisions did not cause a

“flood of frivolous politically motivated cases against the president”

[Thread]

Repugs will abandon "unitary executive" when a Dem is President, and apply maximum oversight of the Exec branch

Just like you guys do the other way.

Old as time, bouts.

[Thread]

Threadbare gonna be so sorry when Trash loses and the next unrestrained king is a liberal dem. What’s good for the goose ... yada, yada, yada

...absolutely. We learned the "goose" from you guys. If you win it'll be your turn. If you don't we'll keep cleanin' the plow for another 4 years.

[picnroll]

Just like you guys do the other way.

Old as time, bouts.
Repugs tried to out Clinton for a BJ. Dems looking to show Trash is in Pootin’s pocket which is pretty obvious from Trash’s actions.

[Winehole23]

You use the courts like a pro. WTF do you think we learned that trick from? You just like to dish it. You don't want to take it.

It's human.Your reply is like the Charlie Manson parlor trick of saying he's what society sees when it looks in the mirror.

[Thread]

Your reply is like the Charlie Manson parlor trick of saying he's what society sees when it looks in the mirror.

It wasn't a trick, it was the painful truth---that's why you ain't forgotten it half-a-century on.

[Thread]

Repugs tried to out Clinton for a BJ. Dems looking to show Trash is in Pootin’s pocket which is pretty obvious from Trash’s actions.

Both used the tools that came available.

[Reck]

This did not go too well for President Orange.

Hope for more of what went down today.

[RandomGuy]

The kicker? There's nothing there, the old man knows it at default & everybody who's maniacally chasing him knows it, but, they're in too deep to stop.

Let us proceed...

Trump doesn't know shit. :rollin 5d chess. :lmao

[Thread]

Trump doesn't know shit. :rollin 5d chess. :lmao

He knew enough to be 45, forever...just like the 44 before him.

[Spurs Homer]

This did not go too well for President Orange.

Hope for more of what went down today.

disagree

knowing the disgusting state of affairs

this will just result in more delays til after november

cant see that his financials will be released before then


and that is basically trumps plan

[pgardn]

Abe Lincoln went bankrupt twice---getting away with pennies on the dollar.

Oh yes, bankruptcy was exactly the same thing at that time...

[Reck]

disagree

knowing the disgusting state of affairs

this will just result in more delays til after november

cant see that his financials will be released before then


and that is basically trumps plan

key moments from the oral arguments:


Kavanaugh asked: “The question … boils down to how can we both protect the House’s interest in obtaining information it needs to legislate but also protect the presidency. How can the court balance those interests?”


Gorsuch questioned why the court would give Trump immunity in a criminal investigation when it did not give Clinton immunity in a sexual harassment lawsuit. In the 1997 case, lawyers for the plaintiff wanted Clinton to be questioned, Gorsuch noted, while in the Trump case the information is sought from third parties.

Gorsuch in particular brought that point up multiple times. How does Trump's team reconcile the fact Clinton had to produce the goods to congress but Trump should get a pass and why?

[pgardn]

I found the arguments to be very interesting.

I like how the judges can actually guide the lawyers they can control to remake a point so it makes more legal and precedence sense.
The trump judges and lawyer kept making that 2023 judges in NY with the ability to file a suit (harass) after it was pretty much shot down.
They kept hammering that 2000 number anyway. Almost choreographed.

I thought both sides, once the judges whittled it down, made pretty good arguments.
Clarence Thomas actually asked questions? I guess he knew he was more transparent than on mere press reports so he decided to talk.

[pgardn]

key moments from the oral arguments:





Gorsuch in particular brought that point up multiple times. How does Trump's team reconcile the fact Clinton had to produce the goods to congress but Trump should get a pass and why?

I thought they answered that quite clearly, Trump's current problems are not criminal. So dont compare them.
What am I missing?

[Spurs Homer]

key moments from the oral arguments:





Gorsuch in particular brought that point up multiple times. How does Trump's team reconcile the fact Clinton had to produce the goods to congress but Trump should get a pass and why?


breyer hit that point even more forcefully -comparing nixon releasing tapes- which were administration workings compared to the weaker trump case (private citizens trumps taxes)

but still- the main preoccupation of scotus seemed to be disproportionally protecting the president and how a presidency would be given “undue burden” by political attacks


they went on and on about protecting the presidency


i think - at best- they kick the cases back down to the lower courts for fine tuning

which of course= month or years

[picnroll]

I thought they answered that quite clearly, Trump's current problems are not criminal. So dont compare them.
What am I missing?
Not a lawyer but didn’t Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen allege he committed crimes involving his tax return? How does that differ from alleged crimes Clinton committed and were being investigated?

[pgardn]

Not a lawyer but didn’t Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen allege he committed crimes involving his tax return? How does that differ from alleged crimes Clinton committed and were being investigated?

All that is being asked for is access to his tax returns by NY state.
And Im not a lawyer either so we may have to wait for vy or 21

[picnroll]

All that is being asked for is access to his tax returns by NY state.
And Im not a lawyer either so we may have to wait for vy or 21
Pretty sure the NY case is related to a criminal investigation, one concern being that the statute of limitations is expiring. Again no lawyer.

[leemajors]

Abe Lincoln went bankrupt twice---getting away with pennies on the dollar.

He wasn't mobbed up, though!

[pgardn]

Pretty sure the NY case is related to a criminal investigation, one concern being that the statute of limitations is expiring. Again no lawyer.

I got a different impression. Hopefully one of the two lawyers listened in.
The Nixon tapes, which this was compared to, involved just handing over information (the tapes) as well, it had not gone criminal yet.
well I defer, we will see.

Anyways, interesting for the non legal types (me) anyways.

[ducks]

Supreme Court questions limits of congressional subpoena power, presidential immunity in Trump tax return cases


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-congressional-subpoena-power-trump-taxes