Duncan 8th ESPN ahead Kobe and Shaq

[Rummpd]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105801/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-10-1
Percent
Not bad list IMO

[Play Boban]

manu > jim

stole 2005 fmvp

[Russo21]

Coulda been 4 or 5 on that list, but each to their own :clap would take him over larry, magic, LBJ and Wilt, hell maybe no.2 :toast

[Arcadian]

Tim is actually a top 5 player of all time. It's funny how there are certain "names" that ESPN feels obligated to put above him - yet if you ask most experts, they would choose to start a franchise with Tim over Bird and Magic. It's also fairly easy to put Tim above Bill Russell when you consider that Tim is basically a modern Russell with superior offensive ability. I also have Tim ranked higher than Lebron because he's a better winner. Tim got the best of Lebron head-to-head more often than not, sweeping him in '07 and another near-sweep in '14.

It's one of those things where if you ask somebody to name their top 5 off the top of their head, they just immediately go, "You obviously gotta have Magic and Bird in there." But then when you really think about it, you'd rather have Duncan.

[Dex]

Top 10 seems fair to me. At that point, there are arguments to be made for most of the names to be moved around.

[spurs1990]

1) MJ Jordan
2) Larry the bird Bird
3) Timothy R Duncan
4) Kobe Bryant
5) James

[KobesAchilles]

I know these lists are crap overall but in what universe is Scotty Pippen better than DRob? In what universe is Garnett better than 50? Seriously he was missing the playoffs in his prime. His talent on his roster was the same if not better than David. David was a better defender, rebounder, scorer, and franchise player than Garnett. It’s ridiculous

Also :lol at Pippens ranking. Just ridiculous.

[Dirks_Finale]

Overall pretty solid list.

Not sure about the Pippen ranking, though.

I think Tim in another situation with more numbers which he was very capable of, he is top 5.

[Prime BEEF]

The overall top 74 list is pretty garbage in my opinion. It’s all over the place on what they value. MVPs? Titles? all stars? Scoring titles? They use one stat to rank one guy over another and then ignore that same stat in the very next ranking. Also never liked putting players in that haven’t finished their careers yet...especially those that have only played 6 seasons. They are very extremely biased toward 21st century players. Easily putting players whose stats and accolades come nowhere close to previous players in history above players that have the stats to prove it.

eventually these types of lists just turn into modern players (21st century players) are better and more talented than other generations arguments. But if you’re making a list of the best players in nba history IMO you need to base it on comparative stats....which they usually don’t.

[Fusternino]

Kobe in, Olajuwon out?

Wow . . .

[baseline bum]

Russell at 4 is a joke, as is not having Olajuwon in the Top 10.

[DMX7]

No one will ever agree on a list like this except for maybe that MJ is #1.

[Gibbz]

Kobe in, Olajuwon out?

Wow . . .

It's ESPN. I was shocked they didn't have Kobe top 5 TBH. Kobe ahead of Shaq and Olajuwon :lol

Definitively I would only have MJ ahead of Timmy. Who else on that list could win a ring with that '03 roster? Not LeBron. I'd say not Larry or Magic. Maybe Shaq or Kareem? Olajuwon maybe? I can't believe they had Hakeem outside the top 10, that is just lunacy.

[Genovaswitness]

That dumb motherfucker lebron is number 2? 3-6 :lmao :lmao :lmao Duncan is 2–1 against him :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Russ]

I got a kick when the latest HOF inductees (i.e., Tim and Kobe) were announced and Colin Cowherd announced that Kobe is, of course, "No. 1" but "don't forget" Duncan is "1A."

He acted as if he was doing Duncan a favor. :lol

[lmbebo]

They had Antonio Davis listed pretty high on "potential" because he forced his way out to play with Lebron ...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Tim is actually a top 5 player of all time. It's funny how there are certain "names" that ESPN feels obligated to put above him - yet if you ask most experts, they would choose to start a franchise with Tim over Bird and Magic. It's also fairly easy to put Tim above Bill Russell when you consider that Tim is basically a modern Russell with superior offensive ability. I also have Tim ranked higher than Lebron because he's a better winner. Tim got the best of Lebron head-to-head more often than not, sweeping him in '07 and another near-sweep in '14.

It's one of those things where if you ask somebody to name their top 5 off the top of their head, they just immediately go, "You obviously gotta have Magic and Bird in there." But then when you really think about it, you'd rather have Duncan.

Great post. He's definitely top-5 if you asked anyone who you'd like to start a franchise with. Probably #1 over Jordan is your goal is the ultimate "team" guy who's going to keep you over 50 wins for two decades and keep you in the mix for a title every single year.

[lefty]

Lebron > Duncan tbh

[TDomination]

Seems fair to me overall but I have Duncan 5th on my list. Not that anyone cares lol

1) Jordan
2) Wilt
3) Russell
4) James
5) Timmy

[lefty]

They had Antonio Davis listed pretty high on "potential" because he forced his way out to play with Lebron ...

I hope you meant Anthony and not Antonio

[baseline bum]

That dumb motherfucker lebron is number 2? 3-6 :lmao :lmao :lmao 2–1 against Duncan :lmao :lmao :lmao

No, 1-2 against Duncan.

[spurs10]

Tim is actually a top 5 player of all time. It's funny how there are certain "names" that ESPN feels obligated to put above him - yet if you ask most experts, they would choose to start a franchise with Tim over Bird and Magic. It's also fairly easy to put Tim above Bill Russell when you consider that Tim is basically a modern Russell with superior offensive ability. I also have Tim ranked higher than Lebron because he's a better winner. Tim got the best of Lebron head-to-head more often than not, sweeping him in '07 and another near-sweep in '14.

It's one of those things where if you ask somebody to name their top 5 off the top of their head, they just immediately go, "You obviously gotta have Magic and Bird in there." But then when you really think about it, you'd rather have Duncan. Yeah that about sums it up.
:flag:

[gambit1990]

1) MJ Jordan
2) Larry the bird Bird
3) Timothy R Duncan
4) Kobe Bryant
5) James
:td:td

kobe is top 20, not top 4.

[HarlemHeat37]

1. Lebron
2. Dad Killing Coon
3. Shaq
4. Duncan
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Durant
8. Olajuwon
9. Kobe
10. Magic

[Genovaswitness]

No, 1-2 against Duncan.

fixed

[Brazil]

1. Lebron
2. Dad Killing Coon
3. Shaq
4. Duncan
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Durant
8. Olajuwon
9. Kobe
10. Magic

Kobe is not a top 10 neither Durant

[Brazil]

imho fwiw tbh

[apalisoc_9]

Lebron
The big Liar Jordan
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Magic
Oljuwon
Kobe
Bird

Kawhi at top 25 though. If season continues and he wins another one.

[Thomas82]

I feel like 8 is too low. You can't even name 5 players with better credentials than him. What about the fact that he played roughly 85% of his career with a physical disadvantage that the rest of them didn't have?

[FrostKing]

1. Lebron
2. Dad Killing Coon
3. Shaq
4. Duncan
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Durant
8. Olajuwon
9. Kobe
10. Magic
You sure love your Lakers

[FrostKing]

Tier 1: Kareem & Jordan

Tier 2: Bill, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Duncan

Tier 3: Oscar, Moses, Dr.J, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron

up next: Durant

[TD 21]

Clearly too high: Mutombo, Rodman, Parish, Iverson, Thomas, Nash, Antetokounmpo, Scumbag, Pippen.
Clearly too low: Drexler, Paul, Stockton, Robinson.

I don't see a credible argument for Russell being top 10. The whole "11 rings" argument is too basic. In reality, they were playing 2-3 rounds back then, in a league with a fraction of the amount of teams it has now, with limited blacks/size/athleticism. He was essentially a rich man's B. Wallace, surrounded with by far the deepest team in the league.

O'Neal should be in his top 8 spot. The top 2-3 is the clear first tier and though the order is debatable with the next 5-6, they comprise the clear second tier.



1. Lebron
2. Dad Killing Coon
3. Shaq
4. Duncan
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Durant
8. Olajuwon
9. Kobe
10. Magic

How could you have Durant at 7 with no legitimate ring(s)?

[weeks]

Kobe is not a top 10 neither Durant
:lol durant... a sad case of having top 10 talent with bottom 10 heart
we coulda had durantula and instead we got the servant...

[Genovaswitness]

any ranking with that choking primadonna POS leshit at the top deserves a basketball card revoking tbh

[lmbebo]

I hope you meant Anthony and not Antonio

Yes

[Play Boban]

Millions and millions of people are dying daily and you people are worried about a stupid list. :lmao

Bread and circuses. Sad.......

Maybe worry about something REAL and not fantasize about some stupid game starting back up?

[dbestpro]

As years go on Timmy will go down on the list not because he won't be ton 10 but that is just the way it is with time. Wilt is far and away top 2-3 and one of the top athletes of all time but no longer gets any respect. Lebron because he is the flavor of the time gets more respect that he deserves. As one who has seen all of these guys play Jordan is number one, Wilt is number 2 Jabbar is number 3. Oscar Robertson was better than Magic and while Russell was great he has always been over rated because of the great players he played with. Oscar and Wilt both carried their teams. Jordan in many ways other than Pippen did the same.

[dbestpro]

Millions and millions of people are dying daily and you people are worried about a stupid list. :lmao

Bread and circuses. Sad.......

Maybe worry about something REAL and not fantasize about some stupid game starting back up?
As of today there have been 294,858 deaths worldwide. Millions and millions every day is a bit much. In fact the death rate currently is lower in the US that it was at this point in time in 1990 and most years prior. Less people currently dying because of accidents. Also, another interesting fact is that the average age of a person who enters a nursing home is 83. 50% are dead within 6 months. The rest on average are dead within 13.7 months. This is not to say things can't get real bad in a hurry, but it is important to keep things into a real perspective.

[DMC]

It's amazing how much better players get after they die.

[dbreiden83080]

Tim is actually a top 5 player of all time. It's funny how there are certain "names" that ESPN feels obligated to put above him - yet if you ask most experts, they would choose to start a franchise with Tim over Bird and Magic. It's also fairly easy to put Tim above Bill Russell when you consider that Tim is basically a modern Russell with superior offensive ability. I also have Tim ranked higher than Lebron because he's a better winner. Tim got the best of Lebron head-to-head more often than not, sweeping him in '07 and another near-sweep in '14.

It's one of those things where if you ask somebody to name their top 5 off the top of their head, they just immediately go, "You obviously gotta have Magic and Bird in there." But then when you really think about it, you'd rather have Duncan.

Yeah I have never agreed that Bird or Magic are better than TD.. Bird had insane talent around him.. And still retired with 2 less rings.. And TD had greater longevity..

[TDMVPDPOY]

i have a problem with wilt ahead of duncan...yeh he has teh stats against white midgets, but being an athletic freak doesnt mean u can dominate in any other bigs, even look at shaq with his physical presence didnt dominate anyone, if he did wouldnt he had won more championships?

having +40 vertical doesnt mean u going to jump over someone for dunks or rebounds, blocks etc...theres always ways around that to neutralise that whether its bodying up a player or flopping, taking charges..

lebron at no.2 whatta a fkn joke, clown is 2-1 against duncan and 1-0 against the dirk who was on his last legs...cmon now...dude couldnt win shit without a stack superstar team

[Play Boban]

As of today there have been 294,858 deaths worldwide. Millions and millions every day is a bit much. In fact the death rate currently is lower in the US that it was at this point in time in 1990 and most years prior. Less people currently dying because of accidents. Also, another interesting fact is that the average age of a person who enters a nursing home is 83. 50% are dead within 6 months. The rest on average are dead within 13.7 months. This is not to say things can't get real bad in a hurry, but it is important to keep things into a real perspective.
Deaths are underreported by a factor of 10 tbh. There have likely been in excess of one million deaths in the US alone so far. The virus is currently ravaging Africa, millions have died, bordering on billions. Reports have it that in Brazil 10% of the population has already perished.

[apalisoc_9]

Clearly too high: Mutombo, Rodman, Parish, Iverson, Thomas, Nash, Antetokounmpo, Scumbag, Pippen.
Clearly too low: Drexler, Paul, Stockton, Robinson.

I don't see a credible argument for Russell being top 10. The whole "11 rings" argument is too basic. In reality, they were playing 2-3 rounds back then, in a league with a fraction of the amount of teams it has now, with limited blacks/size/athleticism. He was essentially a rich man's B. Wallace, surrounded with by far the deepest team in the league.

O'Neal should be in his top 8 spot. The top 2-3 is the clear first tier and though the order is debatable with the next 5-6, they comprise the clear second tier.




How could you have Durant at 7 with no legitimate ring(s)?

Clyde was the better player (over pippen) for 8 straight years and for some reason he's that low.

Can you imagine if Clyde didn't get at least one ring....He'd be in the 80s range :lol

[Killakobe81]

A solid one as list goes but come on unless we are talking peak, bird should be at bottom of top 10 below Timmy Shaq and Kobe and ill be honest I love magic as player but he is probably slightly high too ...
but the top 10 is pretty solid honestly top 15 is insanely debatable after MJ and kareem tbh ... Bron and plenty others have strong cases for the #3 spot ...

[daslicer]

A solid one as list goes but come on unless we are talking peak, bird should be at bottom of top 10 below Timmy Shaq and Kobe and ill be honest I love magic as player but he is probably slightly high too ...
but the top 10 is pretty solid honestly top 15 is insanely debatable after MJ and kareem tbh ... Bron and plenty others have strong cases for the #3 spot ...

I have always had MJ and Kareem at 1 and 2. I have also felt the same way you do about 3-10 which is anybody out of that group can have a strong argument for number 3 after the first two slots.

[clubalien]

it seems disrespectful for a all time top 50 player like David Robinson to be lower then non gold medal winning Tim Duncan that need a all star team to win his titles

[clubalien]

after all look how many top 75 players tim duncan had on his team compared to david when he played.

[Dirks_Finale]

Deaths are underreported by a factor of 10 tbh. There have likely been in excess of one million deaths in the US alone so far. The virus is currently ravaging Africa, millions have died, bordering on billions. Reports have it that in Brazil 10% of the population has already perished.

:lol

Nothing said here was true.

[Dirks_Finale]

And people in general all become fictitious canonized saints after they die, regardless of how shitty they actually were.


It's amazing how much better players get after they die.

[lefty]

It's amazing how much better players get after they die.
What's more amazing is that nobody on ST has made a joke in bad taste after reading your comment

[DMC]

it seems disrespectful for a all time top 50 player like David Robinson to be lower then non gold medal winning Tim Duncan that need a all star team to win his titles

Tim made people into all stars and into HOFers. Great players do that. Just ask Scotty Pippen.

[lefty]

Tim made people into all stars and into HOFers. Great players do that. Just ask Scotty Pippen.
I agree, Scottie made Jordan better

[Play Boban]

:lol

Nothing said here was true.
I bet you’re a Trump supporter, too. Enjoy huffing your hydroxicloroquine and jamming light bulbs up your ass.

[Play Boban]

It's amazing how much better players get after they die.
You just wait until corona starts claiming most of today’s big stars. When LeBron, Westbrick, etc. succumb theyre going to be lauded as the top players in the history of the world. It’s going to be disgusting if you’re one of the lucky ones to live to tell about it tbh.

[dbreiden83080]

it seems disrespectful for a all time top 50 player like David Robinson to be lower then non gold medal winning Tim Duncan that need a all star team to win his titles

What do you think Manu, and Tony would have done in the NBA without Tim? Rings elevate legacies.

[FrostKing]

David + Manu/Tony/Bruce would win some titles but not a Dynasty

[RC_Drunkford]

Russell at 4 is a joke, as is not having Olajuwon in the Top 10.

this. The lowest you can rank Duncan at is #7. Bill Russell And Wilt Chamberlain shouldn't be ahead of him

[KobesAchilles]

this. The lowest you can rank Duncan at is #7. Bill Russell And Wilt Chamberlain shouldn't be ahead of him
Wilt should be number 1 brah. Dude had seasons of double the average of Duncan’s best rebounding AND best scoring and 3xs the amount of blocks. Dude played a season of 48.5 minutes a game. Had another one at 47.5 minutes. Nobody is capable of that. Not Duncan, Jordan, Lebron, etc

Also is Durant ever wins another ring he’s gonna push out Jim. And better hope that Warrior dynasty is over too bc Steph needs one more ring to push Jim out too :lol

[Spurtacular]

Nobody was arguing Magic was ahead of Wilt even when he was playing, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Nobody was arguing Magic was ahead of Wilt even when he was playing, tbh.

Tbh both magic Tim and even Larry gotta factor intangibles. Stat wise Duncan ain't better than Bron but when talking intangibles I can see your case. The third spot could be Bron, Tim, Russell, Wilt bird magic depending on what you value. I really ride for Kobe but I would not put him top 5... Top 10 between 6-8 is about right

[dbestpro]

If only you guys knew how good Wilt really was. He could run a 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds, had a 45 inch vertical, and could bench press 500 lbs at 7-2. He could hit from three point territory in practice routinely. He was so powerful that he blocked a shot and broke the guys arm. He actually lead the league in assists one year while averaging 24 rebounds. Most of the centers of his day were beasts and Wilt took more hard fouls than anyone ever in the NBA. I know most of you will blow all of this off. You didn't see him, so for you he does not exist. That's okay. I remember.

[dbreiden83080]

Russell at 4 is a joke, as is not having Olajuwon in the Top 10.

Russell is just historically insanely overrated IMO.. Yes he was a great Big.. But he played in an era with 8 teams, and his Celtics had nothing but HOF players on them.. People can say what they want about Wilt was too into his stats, not tough or mean enough Blah Blah.. It's mostly Bullshit when comparing them. He was better than Russell.. The Myth of Russell goes beyond the actual player.. Put him in the 90's and he is clearly better than Ewing, Hakeem, David, Shaq? No Fucking way..

[FrostKing]

Tbh both magic Tim and even Larry gotta factor intangibles. Stat wise Duncan ain't better than Bron but when talking intangibles I can see your case. The third spot could be Bron, Tim, Russell, Wilt bird magic depending on what you value. I really ride for Kobe but I would not put him top 5... Top 10 between 6-8 is about right
If Lebron is in the conversation then so is Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Oscar etc

Hence Lebron is not in the conversation

[dbreiden83080]

If only you guys knew how good Wilt really was. He could run a 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds, had a 45 inch vertical, and could bench press 500 lbs at 7-2. He could hit from three point territory in practice routinely. He was so powerful that he blocked a shot and broke the guys arm. He actually lead the league in assists one year while averaging 24 rebounds. Most of the centers of his day were beasts and Wilt took more hard fouls than anyone ever in the NBA. I know most of you will blow all of this off. You didn't see him, so for you he does not exist. That's okay. I remember.

Yeah I have read books about Wilt, watched Documentaries, seen as many games as I could find.. Wilt was amazing, and is underrated all time as people continue to this day to overate Russell.. Wilt was so far, and away the most dominate player of that time..

[dbreiden83080]

If Lebron is in the conversation then so is Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Oscar etc

Hence Lebron is not in the conversation

I like Lebron. But Number 2? ESPN Needing to soothe his Ego..

[FrostKing]

I like Lebron. But Number 2? ESPN Needing to soothe his Ego..
Smart strategy by ESPN. There is a growing percentage of the population dissatisfied with the current NBA product. ESPN's only option is to prop up the current players as just as good or even better. "Tune in Monday to witness greatness"

Notice nearly every current player on that list is ranked where they might end up. For example if Durant never returns from injury, will he remain ranked that high? His current credentials fall short to the players he is ranked above. Players should be ranked according to what they have accomplished as of this moment.

[RC_Drunkford]

Wilt should be number 1 brah. Dude had seasons of double the average of Duncan’s best rebounding AND best scoring and 3xs the amount of blocks. Dude played a season of 48.5 minutes a game. Had another one at 47.5 minutes. Nobody is capable of that. Not Duncan, Jordan, Lebron, etc

Also is Durant ever wins another ring he’s gonna push out Jim. And better hope that Warrior dynasty is over too bc Steph needs one more ring to push Jim out too :lol

He was playing in a league with like 5 teams against regular white boys with 0 athleticism who couldn't shoot

[KobesAchilles]

He was playing in a league with like 5 teams against regular white boys with 0 athleticism who couldn't shoot
And Jordan played against a grocery store bagger, a college 3 point shot, and sucky ass expansion teams :lol
Get out of here with that weak shit son

[FrostKing]

And Jordan played against a grocery store bagger, a college 3 point shot, and sucky ass expansion teams :lol
Get out of here with that weak shit son
Jordan beat almost every Dream Team member in the Finals or Conference Finals

Wilt was 2-4 in the Finals. And in one of those titles he was the 4th leading scorer on the team.

[lefty]

Jordan beat almost every Dream Team member in the Finals or Conference Finals

Wilt was 2-4 in the Finals. And in one of those titles he was the 4th leading scorer on the team.
Jordan would have had his ass handed to him if he played the 2010’s Warriors or Spurs in the Finals :lol
He played shit teams in the 90s Finals

[KobesAchilles]

Jordan beat almost every Dream Team member in the Finals or Conference Finals

Wilt was 2-4 in the Finals. And in one of those titles he was the 4th leading scorer on the team.
Who gives a shit about that. If you want to argue Jordan had a better career that’s fine. But Wilt had 13 more points than Jordan’s career high which in context is 1 point off from the difference between Bryn Forbes and Lebron James. Wilt had seasons of more than 3xs Jordan’s rebounding. Wilt had seasons of 5xs Jordan’s blocks. Wilt played over 48 minutes one season while the best Jordan could do was 40. In fact, Wilt never played less than 43 minutes a game. His stamina was ridiculous. Nobody can match it. His passing wasn’t much worse than Jordan’s either.

You can say that Jordan won and that’s true. No argument. But the league changed the game to help Jordan bc Jordan cried like a little bitch about the physicality. Nobody ever brings that up. Jordan whined and bitched to the media all the time about how mean the Pistons were and how they were trying to injure him :cry He runs away from Oakley and Cartwright but punches Kerr. That in itself shows you how “tough” Jordan was. Dude was a bitch. He couldn’t handle the physicality that Wilt received. People openly admitted they tried to hurt Wilt. Opponents openly admitted that they punched Wilt in the face, elbowed him as hard as they could, and tried to injure him when he dunked. And Wilt didn’t say shit about it bc he was an actual man.

[dbreiden83080]

Jordan would have had his ass handed to him if he played the 2010’s Warriors or Spurs in the Finals :lol
He played shit teams in the 90s Finals

We lost to Kobe, and the 2008 Lakers buddy.. I'm taking the 96 Bulls over them..

[lefty]

We lost to Kobe, and the 2008 Lakers buddy.. I'm taking the 96 Bulls over them..
lol no

2008 Lakers frontline would skull fuck the Bulls

And Jordan would be defending Kobe who is better than any math teacher Jordan was matched up against
Yoing Kobe dropped 33 on Mike in 98 :lol

Also, 2008 Phll was clearly better than 96 Phil

[widowmaker]

manu > jim

stole 2005 fmvp

Its Tim motherfucker get it right.

[FrostKing]

lol no

2008 Lakers frontline would skull fuck the Bulls

And Jordan would be defending Kobe who is better than any math teacher Jordan was matched up against
Yoing Kobe dropped 33 on Mike in 98 :lol

Also, 2008 Phll was clearly better than 96 Phil
Bynum, Gasol & Odom
Vs
Longley, Rodman & Kukoc


Pippen would guard Kobe. Jordan/Harper slack off and help downlow since Fisher is essentially Steve Kerr.

Basically Kobe vs Pippen, Jordan and Harper. I wouldn't discredit Kobe's abilities but that is a tall task

[lefty]

Bynum, Gasol & Odom
Vs
Longley, Rodman & Kukoc


Pippen would guard Kobe. Jordan/Harper slack off and help downlow since Fisher is essentially Steve Kerr.

Basically Kobe vs Pippen, Jordan and Harper. I wouldn't discredit Kobe's abilities but that is a tall task
Pippen couldn’t guard Kobe just look it up on YT

[FrostKing]

Pippen couldn’t guard Kobe just look it up on YT
If this is true then Kobe is Top 6 all time player

[lefty]

If this is true then Kobe is Top 6 all time player

#2 ahead of Jordan tbh

[kobyz]

if not Pop not fouling up by 3, he would have been 2nd!

[Play Boban]

Its Tim motherfucker get it right.
did i trigger you lil gnsf, u jelly?

[Biggems]

Spurs with 5 in the top 74, 6 if you count The Traitor.

[scanry]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Kobe
8. Bird
9. Chamberlain
10. Olajuwon

[tenbeersbold]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Kobe
8. Bird
9. Chamberlain
10. Olajuwon

GTFO,Duncan is No 1 simply because if you were building a franchise around any one of these players he's the only one that stayed with one team and played at a consistent level of excellence for his ENTIRE career without bolting for super teams,no retarded ego driven drama just went out there and proved his greatness,hell even on one goddamn knee for the latter half of his career.

EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

We will never see another like him tbh.Timmy patrolling the paint was like having a goddamn WALL down there.He knew the tendencies of every single player he defended,which hand,which foot etc.Which is why no one wanted to venture in the paint when he was on the floor.So many of his blocks were below the basket anticipation it was unreal.

We Spurs fans were in the presence of unparalleled selfless greatness for almost two decades,no one can top that.

[LurkingSpursFan]

GTFO,Duncan is No 1 simply because if you were building a franchise around any one of these players he's the only one that stayed with one team and played at a consistent level of excellence for his ENTIRE career without bolting for super teams,no retarded ego driven drama just went out there and proved his greatness,hell even on one goddamn knee for the latter half of his career.

EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

We will never see another like him tbh.Timmy patrolling the paint was like having a goddamn WALL down there.He knew the tendencies of every single player he defended,which hand,which foot etc.Which is why no one wanted to venture in the paint when he was on the floor.So many of his blocks were below the basket anticipation it was unreal.

We Spurs fans were in the presence of unparalleled selfless greatness for almost two decades,no one can top that.

It has been downhill since Timmy left. Did not realize how much I miss Tim on both sides of the floor. His presence cannot be measured in stats.

[kobyz]

1. MJ
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Kobe
6. Shaq
7. Olajuwon
8. Kawhi
9. Curry
10. Magic/Bird

[Robz4000]

1a. Jordan
1b. Lebron
3. KAJ
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Bird
7. Wilt
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Russell

[lefty]

1. LeBron
2. Wilt
3. Bird
4. Hakeem
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Russell
9. Isiah
10. Jordan

[FrostKing]

1. MJ
2. Kareem

3a. Bill
3b. Wilt
3c. Bird
3d. Magic
3e. Duncan

8a. Hakeem
8b. Shaq
8c. Kobe
8d. Lebron

[phxspurfan]

Tim is #2 tbh. Way too much given to the old guys like bird, magic, wilt, kareem, bird. Might as well just make this an all 20th century list and get it over with

[RC_Drunkford]

If Flopovich doesn't sub out Duncan in Game 6 he would have 6 Rings and 4 Finals MVPs and people would debate if he's the GOAT or MJ

[daslicer]

If Flopovich doesn't sub out Duncan in Game 6 he would have 6 Rings and 4 Finals MVPs and people would debate if he's the GOAT or MJ

Haters "Duncan is nothing without the great Pop. Pop made him before Pop he was just a scrub."

[DMC]

1. Duncan
2. Timmy
3. Big Fundamental
4. Tim Duncan
5. Timmeh
6. Timmy Duncan
7. Theodore Duncan
8. Timmy D
9. TD
10 Timothy Theodore Duncan

(Spurs fan ratings)

[dbreiden83080]

1. MJ
2. Kareem

3a. Bill
3b. Wilt
3c. Bird
3d. Magic
3e. Duncan

8a. Hakeem
8b. Shaq
8c. Kobe
8d. Lebron

Yeah I have to tell you the media is so annoying with LeBron. I am a fan of him, I really am. But when you look at some of the other players that are in the top 10 He hasn’t really accomplished more than they have. He’s a great great basketball player. But somehow he managed to be overrated at the same time. And no he’s not Michael Jordan. Watching the last dance, and refreshing my memory watching a lot of these old basketball games with the Chicago Bulls. Michael Jordan is just better than he is. And he’s the best basketball player I have seen in my lifetime.

[Spurtacular]

Bird and Duncan are the GOAT.

Shaq would've been GOAT if he had been mentally more mature.

[Spurtacular]

If Flopovich doesn't sub out Duncan in Game 6 he would have 6 Rings and 4 Finals MVPs and people would debate if he's the GOAT or MJ

Only idiots ring count to determine GOAT. Granted, that's like 85 percent of these idiots.

[lefty]

Bird and Duncan are the GOAT.

Shaq would've been GOAT if he had been mentally more mature.

Damn you Bird for destroying Your back , that could have been avoided

Dude is the only legend who played like a blue collar trying to earn a contract in the league, diving for lose balls, etc
I believe that also contributed to his short prime
Maybe that wasn’t the smart thing to do , he should have been less reckless, but he wouldn’t have been Bird if he didn’t do all the little things

[Spurtacular]

Damn you Bird for destroying Your back , that could have been avoided

Dude is the only legend who played like a blue collar trying to earn a contract in the league, diving for lose balls, etc
I believe that also contributed to his short prime
Maybe that wasn’t the smart thing to do , he should have been less reckless, but he wouldn’t have been Bird if he didn’t do all the little things

Would've been nicer to see peak GOAT for longer. But counting years ain't how I determine GOAT. Mostly, it's looking players at their peak (a few years) and how good they make their teams.
Bird was essentially league MVP for five straight seasons before injuries took him down to mere all star level. For marketing purposes, they gave one to Magic and one to Jordan. Scandalous.
And it didn't even matter that John Stockton was putting up better numbers than Magic at that point. All bull sh** marketing.

[Mugen]

The only reason Duncan isn't consensus Top 5 is he's boring AF and he played in a boring ass city :lol

[lefty]

Would've been nicer to see peak GOAT for longer. But counting years ain't how I determine GOAT. Mostly, it's looking players at their peak (a few years) and how good they make their teams.
Bird was essentially league MVP for five straight seasons before injuries took him down to mere all star level. For marketing purposes, they gave one to Magic and one to Jordan. Scandalous.
And it didn't even matter that John Stockton was putting up better numbers than Magic at that point. All bull sh** marketing.
Same here, a short peek shouldn’t discredit a player’s greatness

Stockton was amazing in 88 , he even had 24 assists vs the Lakers and Magic, which is a playoff record to this day (but I could be wrong )

As for the MVP , Barkley also got robbed in 1990 but they gave it to Magic

[daslicer]

The only reason Duncan isn't consensus Top 5 is he's boring AF and he played in a boring ass city :lol

Agreed. It's pretty much a popularity contest when it comes to ranking these player. It's why I don't take these rankings seriously anymore.

[Spurtacular]

As for the MVP , Barkley also got robbed in 1990 but they gave it to Magic

Yup. All marketing. Magic won his lifetime achievement awards ahead of Kobe.

[Spurtacular]

Stockton was amazing in 88 , he even had 24 assists vs the Lakers and Magic, which is a playoff record to this day (but I could be wrong )

16
13
12
13
24
17
20

Those are Stockton's assist numbers in the 88 series against Earvin's loaded Lakers.

[Spurtacular]

16
13
12
13
24
17
20

Those are Stockton's assist numbers in the 88 series against Earvin's loaded Lakers.

Tragic Johnson's assist numbers for the same series.

9
10
6
9
13
9
16

[hitmantb]

Players overvalue 1v1 capabilities. I rank 2003 Duncan below 2001 Shaq and 1995 Hakeem in pure 1v1 situations. However 2003 Tim's 5v5 capabilities are second to none, that team was NOT supposed to ring. Manu and especially Tony really flourished with Tim because Tim did all the little things that don't show up on stat sheets, like being one of the GOAT screeners, incredibly underrated TEAM defense, and give other players enough shots. Stat padding is extremely misleading, Russell Westbrook despite averaging triple double can not get out of the first round of the playoffs. LeBron despite playing stacked roster for a decade only has 3 rings and was extremely lucky to win 2 of them.

There is also a leadership aura around Tim that boosts locker room stability and team morale. Hakeem was without a doubt a negative in both. 2 MVP + 3 FMVP > 1 MVP + 2 FMVP. And as much as I hate to say it, I wish Tim was more selfish in 2007 to get at least one more FMVP. He would be top 5 all time soon. Hopefully once stat padders like LeBron retire, people can look at Tim's intangibles and realize how special it is to win 5 rings in a small market that never ringed before, and most likely will not ring again in our life time.

[lefty]

16
13
12
13
24
17
20

Those are Stockton's assist numbers in the 88 series against Earvin's loaded Lakers.


Tragic Johnson's assist numbers for the same series.

9
10
6
9
13
9
16

Damn good thing Magic had team leader Worthy

[Spurtacular]

Damn good thing Magic had team leader Worthy

1989 MVP Race

Tragic Johnson 22.5 Pts 12.8 Asts 7.9 Reb 1.8 Stls 0.3 Blks 50.9 FG 31.4 3FG 91.1 FT
John Stockton 17.1 Pts 13.6 Asts 3.0 Reb 3.2 Stls 0.2 Blks 53.8 FG 23.4 3FG 86.3 FT

A case could be made that Tragic edged out John for MVP. Especially given that the Lakers finished with the 1 seed and the Jazz finished with the 2 seed.
Of course, somehow team success didn't matter the previous season when Bird's Celtics got the one seed and Jordan's Bulls finished tied for the 3 seed (and won on tie-breaker with Hawks).
Despite it being that close, Magic received 42.5 1st place votes. Stockton received 0 first place votes.

The next season, Stockton beat Tragic 14.5 apg to 11.5 apg. It was also 2.7 SPG to 1.7 SPG. And again Tragic received 26 first place votes and Stockton received none. That season Barkley had 12 more first place votes than Tragic still; and he lost the MVP because two voters left Barkley off their ballots altogether.Stern likely bribed them.