Pierce says LJ not top 5

[Rummpd]

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/20/paul-pierce-says-lebron-james-not-top-five-all-time-nba-player

But praised Tim Duncan - props

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

ugh kobe fluffing

[dbreiden83080]

“What has LeBron did to build up any organization from the ground?" Pierce said. "I’m talking about these players, top-5 players. Bill Russell built the organization of Boston, Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe, Bird. These guys are all-time top 10 players who helped build their organization or continued the tradition.”

Actually a Good point..

[phxspurfan]

Larry Johnson is certainly top 5

Grandma-ma

[FkLA]

It never ceases to amaze me how overrated Kobe is by certain people.

[lefty]

Kobe was better than Jordan tho

[FrostKing]

Fellow SF's from the same Era are always taking shots at Lebron. This is what happens when you don't dominate your competition.

[dbreiden83080]

Kobe was better than Jordan tho

If Jordan played with Shaq.. What's he got? 12 Rings..

Jordan kicked Shaq's ass in 96.. And that was prime Penny..

But oh yeah they did get Jordan in 95, after 2 years trying to hit a curve ball..

[140]

Its really not that far fetched to not have him in your top 5 tbh

[FrostKing]

Its really not that far fetched to not have him in your top 5 tbh
Most people over the age of 35, do not

Otherwise you have to put the Curry's and Durant's in your Top 15. Screw that.

[Neo.]

Most people over the age of 35, do not

Otherwise you have to put the Curry's and Durant's in your Top 15. Screw that.

most people over the age of 70 think wilt, oscar, west and russell > mike

guess that means mike aint anywhere near the goat

[Millennial_Messiah]

Pierce was well on his way to singlehandedly beating the '12 Heatles until the refs took over

[DMX7]

Can you imagine if Jordan has played with Duncan in 1999? No logical way it would have ever happened but that would have been a historically good combo.

[lefty]

If Jordan played with Shaq.. What's he got? 12 Rings..

Jordan kicked Shaq's ass in 96.. And that was prime Penny..

But oh yeah they did get Jordan in 95, after 2 years trying to hit a curve ball..
Well to be fair they lost Horace Grant
And Jordan didn't kick Shaq's ass, 2 different poitions smh

As for Shaq... yes he was the Finals MVP but it was actually Kobe who was the 1A in the West playoffs ; Kobe was their best player against San Antonio, Portland, Sacramento, Phoenix etc

[lefty]

Most people over the age of 35, do not


LOL that's just plain wrong
A lot of people who grew up watching Jordan have Lebron in their top 3
Some of them even have them as their GOAT

It's all personal preference at the end of the day but let's not assume there is an automatic generational bias and that only "kids" think James is the goat

[Chucho]

He said that Kobe built up the Lakers.

Bullshit. He killed that poor franchise. I thought Pierce got stabbed in the neck and face, not in the brain.

[Dirks_Finale]

Kobe was better than Jordan tho

Wrong. No where near as efficent if you look at career FG%. Kobe was king of really bad and contested shots.

He is a hair better than Lebronze though. Sorry, not sorry.

[Dirks_Finale]

And maybe Wilt is the GOAT. We are not old enough to really know and can only fairly judge what we have seen. Youtube clips aren't enough to objectively view and make a proper assesment.

Sorry to Nick Wright but his GOAT assesment is worthless to me. His basketball opinion and 5 dollars can get him a hot cup of coffee just about anywhere.


most people over the age of 70 think wilt, oscar, west and russell > mike

guess that means mike aint anywhere near the goat

[Dirks_Finale]

99.999999 %


LOL that's just plain wrong
A lot of people who grew up watching Jordan have Lebron in their top 3
Some of them even have them as their GOAT

It's all personal preference at the end of the day but let's not assume there is an automatic generational bias and that only "kids" think James is the goat

[Dirks_Finale]

Tim would have asked to have been traded, first week. He did not like Jordan.


Can you imagine if Jordan has played with Duncan in 1999? No logical way it would have ever happened but that would have been a historically good combo.

[Dirks_Finale]

I think even his biggest critics have him top 10. I think he is like 5-7 somewhere in there.

The argument for him will be longevity (big overall numbers) and sustaining final's appearances.

And if we make him the GOAT based on that then we will most certainly have to do the same for Durbeta who will ultimately outscore Lebron and maybe have a bunch of other final's appearanes as he continues to build superteams just like Lebron has.

So unless Durbeta finally grows some hair on his chest, we have to ask ourselves is this the best criteria for judging greatness :lol


Its really not that far fetched to not have him in your top 5 tbh

[i'm_still_beta]

Pierce also said that he was better shooter than Klay Thompson

[LkrFan]

“What has LeBron did to build up any organization from the ground?" Pierce said. "I’m talking about these players, top-5 players. Bill Russell built the organization of Boston, Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe, Bird. These guys are all-time top 10 players who helped build their organization or continued the tradition.”

Actually a Good point..

Actually, that's a dumbass point. Even when he lost to a super team (Dubs with KD) he was still clearly the best in those series.

Jordan couldn't beat a super team either (80s Celtics). Matter of fact he didn't win until Bird's back went out and Showtime broke up. But MJ, not Bron is in his top 5? FOH son. Both of you.

[LkrFan]

It never ceases to amaze me how overrated Kobe is by certain people.

Pierce is a Celtic though. He could have signed with the Lakers after Wizards kicked him to the curb. Instead? He signed with the Clipps.

[LkrFan]

Kobe was better than Jordan tho

This. Wait:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/227/689/ef8.jpg

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

Actually, that's a dumbass point. Even when he lost to a super team (Dubs with KD) he was still clearly the best in those series.

Jordan couldn't beat a super team either (80s Celtics). Matter of fact he didn't win until Bird's back went out and Showtime broke up. But MJ, not Bron is in his top 5? FOH son. Both of you.

Legacies are all about winning or losing. Not "Hey I got 5 excuses for you why I lost" Lebron built the Super team in Miami. He deserved what he got down the road.. Duncan got beat down in 2001 and 2002 by the Lakers.. Did he he ever phone up Shaq, and Kobe wanting to play PF for them? Lebron started the BS with these players teaming up.. And even now he wanted to get AD, and Leonard for Shit sake..

[LkrFan]

Pierce was well on his way to singlehandedly beating the '12 Heatles until the refs took over

:lol

[lefty]

lol today's epidode of Game of Zones is fitting :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKc20Xa3mfQ

[LkrFan]

Well to be fair they lost Horace Grant
And Jordan didn't kick Shaq's ass, 2 different poitions smh

As for Shaq... yes he was the Finals MVP but it was actually Kobe who was the 1A in the West playoffs ; Kobe was their best player against San Antonio, Portland, Sacramento, Phoenix etc

Who hacked lefty account? :wow

[scanry]

Actually, that's a dumbass point. Even when he lost to a super team (Dubs with KD) he was still clearly the best in those series.

Jordan couldn't beat a super team either (80s Celtics). Matter of fact he didn't win until Bird's back went out and Showtime broke up. But MJ, not Bron is in his top 5? FOH son. Both of you.

Bad boys Pistons were the top dogs by 88 tbh. They actually were by 87 if not for Isiah's brain fade. Pistons don't get enough credit. If they beat the Lakers in 88 and three peat before the Bulls, they go down as one of the greatest dynasties. A lot of what ifs

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/xD8m7SV/44496.jpg

Tbh

[Spurtacular]

https://i.ibb.co/xD8m7SV/44496.jpg

Tbh

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[FrostKing]

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I have all those guys in my Top 7

[Spurtacular]

I have all those guys in my Top 7

You're a smart guy. I think the little fanboy in you gets the better of you is all.

Wilt's not in my top seven cos he lacks heart. Though I do like him dressing down Jordan.
Russell is in my top twenty-five. He benefited from a clearly weaker era and great teammates.

Bird and Duncan make my Mt. Rushmore.

[FrostKing]

You're a smart guy. I think the little fanboy in you gets the better of you is all.

Wilt's not in my top seven cos he lacks heart. Though I do like him dressing down Jordan.
Russell is in my top twenty-five. He benefited from a clearly weaker era and great teammates.

Bird and Duncan make my Mt. Rushmore.
Older heads would argue we overrate the 80s.

When comparing teams I tend to draw a line in most sports at 80s. Maybe because of steroids?

But I have no issue ranking ancient players on my lists. Yah Babe Ruth wouldn't be as dominant or possibly At all today but I am rating first accomplishments. Then how they would compare in a playoff series and then if still undecided 1v1

[Spurtacular]

Older heads would argue we overrate the 80s.

When comparing teams I tend to draw a line in most sports at 80s. Maybe because of steroids?

But I have no issue ranking ancient players on my lists. Yah Babe Ruth wouldn't be as dominant or possibly At all today but I am rating first accomplishments. Then how they would compare in a playoff series and then if still undecided 1v1

I think Ruth would be more dominant in today's game. He apparently had the sweetest HR swing of all-time. He was crushing his peers. He was like Griffey Jr. to the nth degree.
Yea, roids were big. Jordan and Lebron both used. Bird and Magic didn't.

[LkrFan]

Bad boys Pistons were the top dogs by 88 tbh. They actually were by 87 if not for Isiah's brain fade. Pistons don't get enough credit. If they beat the Lakers in 88 and three peat before the Bulls, they go down as one of the greatest dynasties. A lot of what ifs

They were really good. Matter of fact if Stern didn't stop them from (literally) beating MJ's ass, I'm not sure if MJ would have more than 2 rings (Pistons eventually got old and/or broke up).

But in 89, if Magic and B Scott don't blow their hammies, Magic 3peats and is sitting on 6 rangs before MJ even wins 1. Different argument then. I'll concede Magic isn't GOAT but in my eyes he's firmly on Mount Rushmore.

[FrostKing]

They were really good. Matter of fact if Stern didn't stop them from (literally) beating MJ's ass, I'm not sure if MJ would have more than 2 rings (Pistons eventually got old and/or broke up).

But in 89, if Magic and B Scott don't blow their hammies, Magic 3peats and is sitting on 6 rangs before MJ even wins 1. Different argument then. I'll concede Magic isn't GOAT but in my eyes he's firmly on Mount Rushmore.
Let's chat. I got a question for you

So Kareem. Hey he's my #2 all time. Magic, my starting PG. So how did Bird manage to outduel this dream duo? I never see Laker fan pimping McHale & Parish. Aingle?

[FrostKing]

My 5

C: Kareem
PF: Duncan
SF: Bird
SG: Jordan
PG: Magic

Larry's 3 point shooting over Lebron's versatility

[LkrFan]

Let's chat. I got a question for you

So Kareem. Hey he's my #2 all time. Magic, my starting PG. So how did Bird manage to outduel this dream duo? I never see Laker fan pimping McHale & Parish. Aingle?

1984? Magic screwed up at the end of the clincher. What other time did Bird beat the Lakers in the Finals?

Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished than anybody. Won multiple championships on EVERY level. And no I don't count those bullshit Celtics titles in the 50s and 60s. Kareem would DOMINATE Russell and that entire era. If he was white would he be your #1? :downspin:

[Dirks_Finale]

Let's chat. I got a question for you

So Kareem. Hey he's my #2 all time. Magic, my starting PG. So how did Bird manage to outduel this dream duo? I never see Laker fan pimping McHale & Parish. Aingle?

I don't get why people sleep on Mchale and Parish. Chief was a badass who did a lot of dirty work because his team needed it, but he was also skilled. And Mchale could head fake anyone out of their shorts. Best footwork ever, right up there with Hakeem and Duncan in that dept.

[FrostKing]

1984? Magic screwed up at the end of the clincher. What other time did Bird beat the Lakers in the Finals?

Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished than anybody. Won multiple championships on EVERY level. And no I don't count those bullshit Celtics titles in the 50s and 60s. Kareem would DOMINATE Russell and that entire era. If he was white would he be your #1? :downspin:
2/5 of the greatest basketball players ever; to actually be on the same one team together is rather remarkable.

Yet the team that battled them doesn't get 1 player on the tile lists?

[lefty]

They were really good. Matter of fact if Stern didn't stop them from (literally) beating MJ's ass, I'm not sure if MJ would have more than 2 rings (Pistons eventually got old and/or broke up).

But in 89, if Magic and B Scott don't blow their hammies, Magic 3peats and is sitting on 6 rangs before MJ even wins 1. Different argument then. I'll concede Magic isn't GOAT but in my eyes he's firmly on Mount Rushmore.

Lakers weren’t going to beat Detroit in 89 regardless, Pistons had the better team

In fact they should have won in 88, Isiah’s injury and that BS call on Laimbeer prevented that

[scanry]

Lakers weren’t going to beat Detroit in 89 regardless, Pistons had the better team

In fact they should have won in 88, Isiah’s injury and that BS call on Laimbeer prevented that

^ this

Pistons were robbed in 88 tbh. Isiah still can't get over the fact that everyone including the players hated the Pistons back then. The general audience never embraced the Pistons and were waiting for MJ to finally dethrone them. Even after MJ rang, the narrative was that the torch was passed on from Magic to Jordan, infact it was actually passed on from Isiah to Jordan.

Looking back at the Last Dance documentary, Pistons were the reason MJ became so possessed with winning. MJ should've been the bigger man and let things go.

[LkrFan]

Lakers weren’t going to beat Detroit in 89 regardless, Pistons had the better team

In fact they should have won in 88, Isiah’s injury and that BS call on Laimbeer prevented that

Your Purple and Gold hatred is rearing its ugly head. I respect it tho :lol Fatigue from deep playoff runs did them in in 1989 (not to mention Magic was out). We've seen it time and time again:

The 80s Lakers simply ran out of gas (Celtics too). The Lakers and Celtics were in the Finals 8 times collectively in that decade. Couple that with Cap being 42 years old, they were ripe for a defeat.

Same thing happened in 2011. Lakers made Finals appearances 2008-2010 so when a defensive juggernaut that could shoot stepped to them (2011 Mavs) it was too much to overcome. It didn't help that MVPau got cucked and was playing the 2011 playoffs with a broken heart. SMH

Same thing happened in 2003. Lakers just 3peated, but Shaq and Kobe were at each other's throats. It didn't help that Shaq ballooned up to 385lbs (Kevin Willis was beating him up and down the court easily) SMH. Then it happened again in 2004 when Ben Wallace did the same.

Look at the 1998 Bulls. They were on fumes and barely got by the Jazz in 6 (I still say MJ pushed off). Who knows what happens in a game 7 in Salt Lake? (RIP to Coach Sloan BTW). We know the 1999 Spurs would have beaten them the following year if Krause didn't break them up. Why? Fatigue from deep playoff runs.

[ambchang]

At this points it would be pure stupidity not to have Lebron in the top 5. I. Any even think of too many reasons not to have him in the top 3.

That or pure hate.

[lefty]

At this points it would be pure stupidity not to have Lebron in the top 5. I. Any even think of too many reasons not to have him in the top 3.

That or pure hate.

[DMC]

“What has LeBron did to build up any organization from the ground?" Pierce said. "I’m talking about these players, top-5 players. Bill Russell built the organization of Boston, Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe, Bird. These guys are all-time top 10 players who helped build their organization or continued the tradition.”

Actually a Good point..

I don't remember Kobe building the Lakers. I remember Kobe destroying the Lakers.

[FkLA]

At this points it would be pure stupidity not to have Lebron in the top 5. I. Any even think of too many reasons not to have him in the top 3.

That or pure hate.

He's Top 2 at the very least.

If someone can't look at both MJ and LeGOAT and notice that they both stand out from even other all-time greats...then like you said they're either an idiot, a hater, or both.

[Arcadian]

Honestly I think Lebron's legacy won't age well. There's a wave of people declaring him the goat because he's still in the league and there's a general recency bias, but when people reflect on his career, it will be similar to how they view Wilt Chamberlain. "He was that great...so why only 3 rings? (And one of those he's lucky to have.)"

Now granted, comparing someone to Wilt is no insult. Wilt was fucking great. But they both can be classified as players whose winning didn't match their individual greatness.

[Spurtacular]

Honestly I think Lebron's legacy won't age well. There's a wave of people declaring him the goat because he's still in the league and there's a general recency bias, but when people reflect on his career, it will be similar to how they view Wilt Chamberlain. "He was that great...so why only 3 rings? (And one of those he's lucky to have.)"

Now granted, comparing someone to Wilt is no insult. Wilt was fucking great. But they both can be classified as players whose winning didn't match their individual greatness.

He's lucky to have all of them, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

like i said how is he goat when he loss twice to duncan, and 1 to dirk with a bunch of pensioners?

[Dirks_Finale]

What if he wins two more, with AD as the FMVP?


Honestly I think Lebron's legacy won't age well. There's a wave of people declaring him the goat because he's still in the league and there's a general recency bias, but when people reflect on his career, it will be similar to how they view Wilt Chamberlain. "He was that great...so why only 3 rings? (And one of those he's lucky to have.)"

Now granted, comparing someone to Wilt is no insult. Wilt was fucking great. But they both can be classified as players whose winning didn't match their individual greatness.

[ElNono]

Who hacked lefty account? :wow

La Migra, watch out

[LkrFan]

La Migra, watch out

:lol

[Spurtacular]

What if he wins two more, with AD as the FMVP?

Ring chasing ain't GOAT stuff. You saw what Lebron was in his prime.

[Michael Jordan.]

Lol :lol

[Bill_Brasky]

Wins title for loserest sports town of all time, that ring is worth 3 anywhere else.

[140]

Honestly I think Lebron's legacy won't age well. There's a wave of people declaring him the goat because he's still in the league and there's a general recency bias, but when people reflect on his career, it will be similar to how they view Wilt Chamberlain. "He was that great...so why only 3 rings? (And one of those he's lucky to have.)"

Now granted, comparing someone to Wilt is no insult. Wilt was fucking great. But they both can be classified as players whose winning didn't match their individual greatness.

I can see that tbh

[Neo.]

Honestly I think Lebron's legacy won't age well. There's a wave of people declaring him the goat because he's still in the league and there's a general recency bias, but when people reflect on his career, it will be similar to how they view Wilt Chamberlain. "He was that great...so why only 3 rings? (And one of those he's lucky to have.)"

Now granted, comparing someone to Wilt is no insult. Wilt was fucking great. But they both can be classified as players whose winning didn't match their individual greatness.

lol "lucky to have"

maybe then we should say the spurs were lucky to have a ring in 02-03, because Webber and Dirk got hurt

or that the bulls in 98 were lucky to have that one because of a good bounce of a rebound against indy

or that the celtics in 08 were lucky due to a terrible missed call for lebron in game 7

we can go on for hours with this crap

if you won, you won. fact is, despite rays shot, they still had to come back from a large deficit, which lebron pretty much singlehandedly did, including hitting the 3 that even made it possible for rays shot to be worth anything. not to mention completely dominating the spurs in every facet of game 7 with what can arguably be considered the greatest game 7 finals performance in NBA history

[Dirks_Finale]

I'll give ya game 7. Lebron came up big. :toast

But people say Lebron was lucky because he was trying to give game 6 away. It's that whole sequence of events that you just don't see from star players in crunch time, NBA finals games.

Final 2 minutes -- Heat up 89-86, at home, Lebron get's juked out of his shorts by Parker, tie game 89-89 with 1:28 left. Then Lebron with a careless turnover with 41 seconds left. Then Lebron comes down and commits another turnover with 30 seconds left. And before you can blink the 89-86 lead is now a 94-89 deficit and that is largely thanks to the 'king'.

Now, almost all title teams need a little luck here or there. So I am not saying it is an illegitimate title. But I understand why the Skip Bayless types make the claim.


lol "lucky to have"

maybe then we should say the spurs were lucky to have a ring in 02-03, because Webber and Dirk got hurt

or that the bulls in 98 were lucky to have that one because of a good bounce of a rebound against indy

or that the celtics in 08 were lucky due to a terrible missed call for lebron in game 7

we can go on for hours with this crap

if you won, you won. fact is, despite rays shot, they still had to come back from a large deficit, which lebron pretty much singlehandedly did, including hitting the 3 that even made it possible for rays shot to be worth anything. not to mention completely dominating the spurs in every facet of game 7 with what can arguably be considered the greatest game 7 finals performance in NBA history

[Neo.]

I'll give ya game 7. Lebron came up big. :toast

But people say Lebron was lucky because he was trying to give game 6 away. It's that whole sequence of events that you just don't see from star players in crunch time, NBA finals games.

yup. kobe never had a bad moment in a finals game. mike never did either. nor timmy, dirk, bird, magic, or basically every other superstar in history. lebron has been the only star to have a turnover in crunch time.


Final 2 minutes -- Heat up 89-86, at home, Lebron get's juked out of his shorts by Parker, tie game 89-89 with 1:28 left.

:lmao tony parker hitting a prayer of a shot is lebron getting "juked out of his shorts"


Then Lebron with a careless turnover with 41 seconds left

yep a bad turnover


Then Lebron comes down and commits another turnover with 30 seconds left.

not his fault at all, bosh completely botched that play, having a wide open alley-oop that he wasnt paying attention for


And before you can blink the 89-86 lead is now a 94-89 deficit and that is largely thanks to the 'king'.

yes and prior to the lead, they were down 16 and led a furious comeback, largely thanks to the 'king'

after the 94-89 deficit, they cut it to a 94-92 deficit that was no longer seemingly insurmountable, largely thanks to the 'king'

then after winning the game, they still had a game 7 to win, which they did, largely thanks to the 'king'

still not sure why your so butthurt over his 'king" nickname, considering mike was actually the self-proclaimed "black jesus" :lmao

[FrostKing]

LeBron is Top 3 since the 1990s

[Will Hunting]

“What has LeBron did to build up any organization from the ground?" Pierce said. "I’m talking about these players, top-5 players. Bill Russell built the organization of Boston, Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe, Bird. These guys are all-time top 10 players who helped build their organization or continued the tradition.”

Actually a Good point..
It’s a stupid point that moves the goalposts and makes no sense. He criticizes Lebron for not “building an organization from the ground” but then lists a bunch of guys who “continued the tradition” and clearly didn’t build an organization from the ground either.

[Dirks_Finale]

That's the 2nd time you have mentioned that three he hit to draw them within 2. But failed to mention he about broke the damn backboard with a brick the shot prior. :lol With his teammates bailing him out with an offensive rebound, which affirms the narrative that he got lucky and bailed out to begin with.

As far as the "king" label, I will defer to Rasheed Wallace on that:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oa4yWLQXY


yup. kobe never had a bad moment in a finals game. mike never did either. nor timmy, dirk, bird, magic, or basically every other superstar in history. lebron has been the only star to have a turnover in crunch time.



:lmao tony parker hitting a prayer of a shot is lebron getting "juked out of his shorts"



yep a bad turnover



not his fault at all, bosh completely botched that play, having a wide open alley-oop that he wasnt paying attention for



yes and prior to the lead, they were down 16 and led a furious comeback, largely thanks to the 'king'

after the 94-89 deficit, they cut it to a 94-92 deficit that was no longer seemingly insurmountable, largely thanks to the 'king'

then after winning the game, they still had a game 7 to win, which they did, largely thanks to the 'king'

still not sure why your so butthurt over his 'king" nickname, considering mike was actually the self-proclaimed "black jesus" :lmao

[LkrFan]

PSA
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1264348482795532288?s=19

Pierce got ethered on national TV with the score only 1-0 :lol

[LkrFan]

41 seconds into the game :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Gotta give Draymond credit. He is a world class trash talker. :lol


PSA
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1264348482795532288?s=19

Pierce got ethered on national TV with the score only 1-0 :lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/LetsGoWarriors/status/1264352492977926144?s=09

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[LkrFan]

Gotta give Draymond credit. He is a world class trash talker. :lol

I was rollin :lmao

[Neo.]

That's the 2nd time you have mentioned that three he hit to draw them within 2. But failed to mention he about broke the damn backboard with a brick the shot prior. With his teammates bailing him out with an offensive rebound, which affirms the narrative that he got lucky and bailed out to begin with.

then he bailed his team out by making that offensive rebound valuable to begin with by bringing them back to a point where the game was competitive when earlier it was headed towards a blowout

we can do this all day. in the end, all that matters is the win. to go with the win, lebron was by far the best player in that game, regardless of his mistakes.

[ElNono]

Pierce was going straight to the Hall of Shame until KG and Ray Allen came over to hold his hand to a championship, tbh... not sure how much stock you can put on what he says...

[Dirks_Finale]

then he bailed his team out by making that offensive rebound valuable to begin with by bringing them back to a point where the game was competitive when earlier it was headed towards a blowout

we can do this all day. in the end, all that matters is the win. to go with the win, lebron was by far the best player in that game, regardless of his mistakes.

I don't even disagree with all that, tbh. Legit title and he was FMVP. I'm just saying i get why the critics claim he got bailed out. There's some evidence for it.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5IAFxPWV7w

[Neo.]

I don't even disagree with all that, tbh. Legit title and he was FMVP. I'm just saying i get why the critics claim he got bailed out. There's some evidence for it.

theres literally not one shred of evidence, considering all the actual facts that exist.

it would be one thing if bron played like trash all game, then wade went crazy and led them almost singlehandedly to a victory in the 4th, and then completely dominated game 7. then there might be some evidence.

but one bad turnover and a clutch shot from ray allen doesnt serve as a remotely legitimate bit of evidence that he was bailed out of an entire NBA finals series

[gambit1990]

It never ceases to amaze me how overrated Kobe is by certain people.
some things will never change.

and those "certain people" are probably the majority of nba players and fans.

[LkrFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5IAFxPWV7w

How many all defensive teams did Harrington make? I'm tryna see something.

[Spurtacular]

How many all defensive teams did Harrington make? I'm tryna see something.

What's that matter? Kobe won some of those, and he had no business winning any.

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/K_uulujs-MM

[LkrFan]

What's that matter? Kobe won some of those, and he had no business winning any.

SMH at you making a dumb point about Kobe. Let the man RIP. This thread has 0 to do with Kobe son.

[Spurtacular]

SMH at you making a dumb point about Kobe. Let the man RIP. This thread has 0 to do with Kobe son.

Fuck that. Compare Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant's defensive award numbers.

They're the same defender by the numbers; and frankly Pierce is better.

Now look at the discrepancy in the all-defense awards.

That's NBA marketing, bruh.

If you want to come here and fanboy it up, go ahead.

[Pelicans78]

Lebron would be a top 10 player naturally, but roiding up in his 30s has brought him in the goat conversation. Middle-aged “freakish” athletes don’t really exist without help.

[Spurtacular]

Lebron would be a top 10 player naturally, but roiding up in his 30s has brought him in the goat conversation. Middle-aged “freakish” athletes don’t really exist without help.

You think he's the basketball version of Barry Bonds, then?

[Pelicans78]

You think he's the basketball version of Barry Bonds, then?

Yeah he’s approaching it for sure. I think after the Spurs wiped him out, he went full on using DWade’s connections in Miami. It’s not only enhanced him physically, but it’s helped his game as well. The NBA won’t let the truth come out because their shitty product needs it.

[lefty]

Did Jordan take steroids?
Asking for a friend

[LkrFan]

Fuck that. Compare Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant's defensive award numbers.

They're the same defender by the numbers; and frankly Pierce is better.

Now look at the discrepancy in the all-defense awards.

That's NBA marketing, bruh.

If you want to come here and fanboy it up, go ahead.

:lol - your Laker hate is clouding your judgment. It happens.

[Spurtacular]

:lol - your Laker hate is clouding your judgment. It happens.

Did you look, fanboy?

[LkrFan]

Did you look, fanboy?

You're an idiot :lol

How many all defensive teams did Pierce make before KG and Thibbs got there? I'll hang up and listen.

The Boston Garden was chanting MVP in 2007 for Kobe. You know, one of Pierce's lotto seasons that led to the pick that was used to trade for Ray Allen. Then KG came too via Lurch :lol

[FkLA]

some things will never change.

and those "certain people" are probably the majority of nba players and fans.

Low iq motherfuckers too. All of them.


Yeah he’s approaching it for sure. I think after the Spurs wiped him out, he went full on using DWade’s connections in Miami. It’s not only enhanced him physically, but it’s helped his game as well. The NBA won’t let the truth come out because their shitty product needs it.

IDK man, the Spurs destroyed him in 2014 but he was still a beast individually. It was his butt buddy Wade that looked done. LeGOAT never really fell off and then regained his form with roids. He probably is on something but its probably not something that other top guys dont have access to, imo.

He's just a freak of nature, tbf.

[TDfan2007]

theres literally not one shred of evidence, considering all the actual facts that exist.

it would be one thing if bron played like trash all game, then wade went crazy and led them almost singlehandedly to a victory in the 4th, and then completely dominated game 7. then there might be some evidence.

but one bad turnover and a clutch shot from ray allen doesnt serve as a remotely legitimate bit of evidence that he was bailed out of an entire NBA finals series

It's all narrative and spin. Same way Kyrie "bailed him out" in 2016. Somehow though, there's no talk about how Pau and Artest bailed Kobe out in 2010 (multiple times that playoffs, not just in game 7 of the finals). Strange...

[Dirks_Finale]

https://youtu.be/K_uulujs-MM

Cold blooded.

Too bad they coughed it up!

[Dirks_Finale]

You're an idiot :lol

How many all defensive teams did Pierce make before KG and Thibbs got there? I'll hang up and listen.


:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

I don't think any sensible person would claim Kyrie bailed out Lebron in 2016. Lebron came up bigtime with the block. Played with some actual balls and did his thing.

Now in 2013, you can make a case for him being bailed out as they were just moments away from losing that series and Lebron had 2 turnovers and a backboard breaking brick in the final 1:30. Plus Parker splashed a three in his grill. Dude was coughing it up.


It's all narrative and spin. Same way Kyrie "bailed him out" in 2016. Somehow though, there's no talk about how Pau and Artest bailed Kobe out in 2010 (multiple times that playoffs, not just in game 7 of the finals). Strange...

[KobesAchilles]

Pierce is such a fraud. Has Kobe top 5 but not LJ? His reasoning didn’t even make sense since it was Shaq who brought the Lakers back to their glory days not Kobe. Also Kobe missed the playoffs as the man and lost in the 1st round twice as the man all while blowing a 3-1 lead. Kobe got them from 08-10 and that’s about it. Seriously 3 great years isn’t enough for me to rank him above Lebron

[TDfan2007]

I don't think any sensible person would claim Kyrie bailed out Lebron in 2016. Lebron came up bigtime with the block. Played with some actual balls and did his thing.

Now in 2013, you can make a case for him being bailed out as they were just moments away from losing that series and Lebron had 2 turnovers and a backboard breaking brick in the final 1:30. Plus Parker splashed a three in his grill. Dude was coughing it up.

He also hit the 3 before Allen's which kept them in it. And his game 7 performance was one of the greatest games I've ever seen anybody play, and it includes a dagger pull-up with less than a minute to go which sealed the game.

[Dirks_Finale]

He redeemed himself in GM7. No doubt about it. But I get the argument of the folks who criticize him for that GM 6.


He also hit the 3 before Allen's which kept them in it. And his game 7 performance was one of the greatest games I've ever seen anybody play, and it includes a dagger pull-up with less than a minute to go which sealed the game.

[Dirks_Finale]

IDK, with teammates like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker, I don't even think Tim Duncan would make the playoffs with that roster. Maybe an 8 seed at best.


Pierce is such a fraud. Has Kobe top 5 but not LJ? His reasoning didn’t even make sense since it was Shaq who brought the Lakers back to their glory days not Kobe. Also Kobe missed the playoffs as the man and lost in the 1st round twice as the man all while blowing a 3-1 lead. Kobe got them from 08-10 and that’s about it. Seriously 3 great years isn’t enough for me to rank him above Lebron

[KobesAchilles]

IDK, with teammates like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker, I don't even think Tim Duncan would make the playoffs with that roster. Maybe an 8 seed at best.
Duncan had a team with Robinson averaging 5 points a game in the playoffs. Antonio Daniels and Danny Ferry starting, let me repeat, Danny Ferry and not even young Danny Ferry. 37 year old Terry Porter was like 4th in minutes for the Spurs and Duncan still made it to the second round of the playoffs.

**edit** got my years mixed up. He made it to the Conference Finals that year with Ferry and Daniels starting. Robinson however did have a good playoff run that year averaging 17 and 13. It was the next year that Robinson averaged 5 points a game. My point still stands though that Duncan had shitty teammates too in his prime

[FrostKing]

Yes the 1999 team is IMO the weakest of Duncan's title run

[lefty]

He also hit the 3 before Allen's which kept them in it. And his game 7 performance was one of the greatest games I've ever seen anybody play, and it includes a dagger pull-up with less than a minute to go which sealed the game.

Exactly

[TDfan2007]

Yes the 1999 team is IMO the weakest of Duncan's title run

I'd argue that the 2003 team was. That team was so dependent on Timmy, had no other all star caliber player, and was prone to massive 4th quarter collapses.

[lefty]

I'd argue that the 2003 team was. That team was so dependent on Timmy, had no other all star caliber player, and was prone to massive 4th quarter collapses.

2003 was the heart attack team lol

At the same time they weren’t supposed to win the title, it was more of a transition year, so it was a fun ride

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/x8C1rtv/46254-1.jpg

[lefty]

Billups GOAT confirmed

[TDfan2007]

2003 was the heart attack team lol

At the same time they weren’t supposed to win the title, it was more of a transition year, so it was a fun ride

Very good point lol. They used to drive me nuts. That title was mainly due to prime Timmy showing out

[ambchang]

IDK, with teammates like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker, I don't even think Tim Duncan would make the playoffs with that roster. Maybe an 8 seed at best.

That lie again. It’s like Caron Butler didn’t exist.

MVPau made the playoffs in the same conference in the same year with a supporting cast of similar quality (arguably worse).

[FkLA]

Yes the 1999 team is IMO the weakest of Duncan's title run

Not relative to their respective eras. That '99 team started off 6-8 the first 14 games, finished 31-5 over the last 36 games. Went 15-2 in the playoffs. So 46-7 to end the season, including playoffs.

That '99 team gets slept on, tbh.

[Dirks_Finale]

In 2006, Kobe made the playoffs and managed 45 wins with a roster full of misfits:

basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2006.html

When inconsistent Odom is your 2nd best player and you have rec-league baller, Smush Parker in your starting lineup, your squad sucks!!



That lie again. It’s like Caron Butler didn’t exist.

MVPau made the playoffs in the same conference in the same year with a supporting cast of similar quality (arguably worse).

[FrostKing]

Lebron is the Kaepernick of the NBA

[ambchang]

In 2006, Kobe made the playoffs and managed 45 wins with a roster full of misfits:

basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2006.html

When inconsistent Odom is your 2nd best player and you have rec-league baller, Smush Parker in your starting lineup, your squad sucks!!

First of all we were talking about 2005 not 2006.

Second Phil Jackson did a fantastic job that year making the team work together. The blueprint was the 2001 76ers, only Iverson took the team to the finals.

Third Odom was great that year and very underrated his entire career (for some reason happens to all the good kobe teammates like shaq, MVPau, Bynum, dwight, Eddie Jones. Might have something to do with getting all the blame and none of the glory)

Fourth, Duncan won a championship with Avery Johnson in his starting lineup and got that guys jersey retired. He also had a 35 yo Elie staring next to him.

Fiffth thanks for bringing up odom. Kobe missed the playoffs with odom and the juice.

[Dirks_Finale]

First of all we were talking about 2005 not 2006.

Second Phil Jackson did a fantastic job that year making the team work together. The blueprint was the 2001 76ers, only Iverson took the team to the finals.

Third Odom was great that year and very underrated his entire career (for some reason happens to all the good kobe teammates like shaq, MVPau, Bynum, dwight, Eddie Jones. Might have something to do with getting all the blame and none of the glory)

Fourth, Duncan won a championship with Avery Johnson in his starting lineup and got that guys jersey retired. He also had a 35 yo Elie staring next to him.

Fiffth thanks for bringing up odom. Kobe missed the playoffs with odom and the juice.

Odom played for the Mavs. His jersey should be burned and the number he wore never wore again as he put so much shame upon it.

[DMC]

Billups just happned to be in the right time at the right place, between the peaks of major NBA powers.

[ambchang]

Odom played for the Mavs. His jersey should be burned and the number he wore never wore again as he put so much shame upon it.

That was Mavs Odom, it's like saying Rodman is a scrub based on his Mavs/Lakers days, or Jordan was a borderline allstar based on his Wizard days.