Dak wants 45 million in the last year of his contract [Archive]

Chucho

05-21-2020, 03:44 PM

cowboys and dak both deny the above

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If the Cowboys want a longer extension, they're fucking retarded, which isn't news to anyone. If Dak turned down $175 milli, he's fucking retarded, which might explain his faggy mustache.

Either way, Dak is Joe Flacco 2.0 waiting to happen, just absolutely no success in the postseason to justify such a shitty deal.

Franchise him every year til something better comes down the pipe and then let him go. Dude is not a winner, that's why the Cowboys love him so much.

spurraider21

05-21-2020, 03:59 PM

If the Cowboys want a longer extension, they're fucking retarded, which isn't news to anyone. If Dak turned down $175 milli, he's fucking retarded, which might explain his faggy mustache.

Either way, Dak is Joe Flacco 2.0 waiting to happen, just absolutely no success in the postseason to justify such a shitty deal.

Franchise him every year til something better comes down the pipe and then let him go. Dude is not a winner, that's why the Cowboys love him so much.
teams want longer deals because contracts always inflate with the cap. locking in a guy relative to the 2020 cap will be a bargain in 2024. thats why the raiders gladly gave Carr his big extension years ago. he was the "highest paid qb in nfl history" for like 3 days until (i believe) stafford signed his deal next. now the raiders have carr locked up for 20-22 mil per year for the next 3 seasons

Chucho

05-21-2020, 04:05 PM

teams want longer deals because contracts always inflate with the cap. locking in a guy relative to the 2020 cap will be a bargain in 2024. thats why the raiders gladly gave Carr his big extension years ago. he was the "highest paid qb in nfl history" for like 3 days until (i believe) stafford signed his deal next. now the raiders have carr locked up for 20-22 mil per year for the next 3 seasons

I might have read wrong, but I read an article on ESPN (the ranking of the worst to best offseasons) and they were discussing the salary cap decreasing somewhat based on the income loss they're potentially losing this upcoming season and how rotten contracts like Flacco could be a thing of the past and why the Boys are reluctant to drop trou to Dak.

Chucho

05-21-2020, 04:06 PM

Also, I'm still rooting for Carr to make a good comeback. He's a legit good dude, met him a few times and he was super accommodating and nice to the kids and autograph seekers.

Millennial_Messiah

05-21-2020, 05:06 PM

I might have read wrong, but I read an article on ESPN (the ranking of the worst to best offseasons) and they were discussing the salary cap decreasing somewhat based on the income loss they're potentially losing this upcoming season and how rotten contracts like Flacco could be a thing of the past and why the Boys are reluctant to drop trou to Dak.

Jimmy G is another elephant in the room. Even average NFL starters don't miss that easy post shot to Sanders to .......win the Super Bowl.

Chucho

05-21-2020, 05:15 PM

Jimmy G is another elephant in the room. Even average NFL starters don't miss that easy post shot to Sanders to .......win the Super Bowl.

Jimmy G didn't hold out or stall negotiations. He took a fat offer. Smart business.

Dak has every right to hold out and get as much as he thinks he can get. Smart business. I don't fault him for that.

The Cowboys are going to overpay for an average QB that will put them in salary cap hell. Dumb business. I fault him the Cowboys for that. If they do how the Redskins did Cousins, I feel that is smart business, especially with a new coaching staff. See what you really got, and if he can surpass his stats with actual success when it matters, then give him the bread, its not like he won't be very-well compensated on the FT.

Time really is the best friend to the Cowboys here, as well as leverage. This is probably the most opportune time to just play the waiting game. The QB market was DEAD this offseason. Prices are going down, the salary cap might be shrinking.

Just seems the wisest thing to do. See if the investment improves in performance and they might be able to buy into the opportunity at a sweetheart cost.

Spurtacular

05-21-2020, 08:23 PM

The Curse Of Tony Romo.

KobesAchilles

05-21-2020, 09:34 PM

Baker is going to be available after next year. Might as well take a chance on him. I still say they should’ve tanked for Lawerence by having Rush as the main QB. Jerry wants a super bowl and Dak ain’t getting him one cheap or expensive

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 12:05 PM

Jimmy G didn't hold out or stall negotiations. He took a fat offer. Smart business.

Dak has every right to hold out and get as much as he thinks he can get. Smart business. I don't fault him for that.

The Cowboys are going to overpay for an average QB that will put them in salary cap hell. Dumb business. I fault him the Cowboys for that. If they do how the Redskins did Cousins, I feel that is smart business, especially with a new coaching staff. See what you really got, and if he can surpass his stats with actual success when it matters, then give him the bread, its not like he won't be very-well compensated on the FT.

Time really is the best friend to the Cowboys here, as well as leverage. This is probably the most opportune time to just play the waiting game. The QB market was DEAD this offseason. Prices are going down, the salary cap might be shrinking.

Just seems the wisest thing to do. See if the investment improves in performance and they might be able to buy into the opportunity at a sweetheart cost.

Franchise tag is the ONLY decision in this case scenario, especially considering coronavirus. He gets paid, no long term commitment for the Cowboys, team is safeguarded against poor performance or long-term salary cap cutting due to a smaller league-wide purse due to less butts in NFL stadium seats.

I don't like the Redskins and their management sucks, but they absolutely did the right thing by tagging Cousins twice and then getting Alex Smith for half the price, bringing in Smith and Adrian Peterson to carry the team. The Redskins were actually on pace to make the playoffs that year before Smith got Joe Theismann'd.

Also, if Prescott holds out and/or doesn't sign the tag, it would be absolutely unprecedented as no QB in NFL history has ever done this. Prescott would be chastised and crucified by the entire media, NFL community and sporting world, for breaking this unwritten rule as a QB and supposed leader that comes with the position (this is FAR worse than a Leveon Bell who the media was 50/50 on because he was arguably the best RB in a tough market for RBs). Prescott's marketability and personal brand would fall off like a rock off a cliff and, unless he magically becomes Aaron Rodgers and wins a SB despite being a complete douchebag, his long-term value and price will go down, down, down.

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 12:05 PM

spurraider21

05-22-2020, 01:08 PM

:lol cowboys are trying to sign Dak for even longer than Dak wants, and you guys think they're going to move on from him?

KobesAchilles

05-22-2020, 01:12 PM

That was my schtick all along. Don't steal my schtick. Get your own schtick. :hat
Was it? I’m low key hoping Jimmy G gets hurt again so the 49ers can draft him. I’ve been wanting him for my team since the championship game :lol

I just figured it was more realistic for Dallas to suck than SF

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 01:24 PM

Was it? I’m low key hoping Jimmy G gets hurt again so the 49ers can draft him. I’ve been wanting him for my team since the championship game :lol

I just figured it was more realistic for Dallas to suck than SF
49ers would still win 10 games with Mullens. Let's not act like Jimmy G is a primary cog in that well oiled machine. :lol

KobesAchilles

05-22-2020, 01:29 PM

49ers would still win 10 games with Mullens. Let's not act like Jimmy G is a primary cog in that well oiled machine. :lol
We got the #2 pick with him starting so I’m not as high on Mullins as other people. Plus the schedule is pretty tough

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 01:57 PM

We got the #2 pick with him starting so I’m not as high on Mullins as other people. Plus the schedule is pretty tough

schedule is pretty piss easy outside the division games

KobesAchilles

05-22-2020, 04:17 PM

schedule is pretty piss easy outside the division games
6 tough division games plus games against Eagles, Packers, Saints, Bills, and Cowboys. That’s 11 tough games for Mullins right there. No way they win 10 games without Jimmy G.

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 05:02 PM

6 tough division games plus games against Eagles, Packers, Saints, Bills, and Cowboys. That’s 11 tough games for Mullins right there. No way they win 10 games without Jimmy G.
:lmao Buffalo is going to stink next year. One-and-done written all over it... and it starts with the atrocious QB and slightly less bad but still bad HC. Look at their bottom heavy competition and how they barely beat bad teams all last year and get back to me on that one.

The system is about the ground game and their greatest strength is their defense. They don't need a good or great QB to win.

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 05:05 PM

:lol cowboys are trying to sign Dak for even longer than Dak wants, and you guys think they're going to move on from him?

that's not how it works. if they can give him a small enough signing bonus and make the contract longer, pay him the guarantees in the first 2 years and backload the "funny money" they can move on in say, 3 or even 2 years, with a smallish dead cap hit.

spurraider21

05-22-2020, 05:57 PM

that's not how it works. if they can give him a small enough signing bonus and make the contract longer, pay him the guarantees in the first 2 years and backload the "funny money" they can move on in say, 3 or even 2 years, with a smallish dead cap hit.
they want to lock him up for longer because it will become cap friendly down the line as the cap continues to increase

Millennial_Messiah

05-22-2020, 08:04 PM

they want to lock him up for longer because it will become cap friendly down the line as the cap continues to increase

exactly. but that 45 million number for the final year, if it's 35m average per year over 5 years, is unlikely to carry any guarantees. so they can just cut him then, and only have a dead money cap hit loss of 1/5 of whatever bonus they offer him in the clause (since the bonus, even if paid up front, is amortized equally over the course of the contract for cap purposes).

spurraider21

07-14-2020, 12:10 PM

no long term deal with dak reached. congrats ST cowboys fans

for now

SpursforSix

07-14-2020, 01:55 PM

no long term deal with dak reached. congrats ST cowboys fans

for now

Pretty typical Jones stuff. Fucking up almost everything.

Millennial_Messiah

07-15-2020, 09:03 AM

Last day to wait out and dodge an albatross deal!

Millennial_Messiah

07-15-2020, 09:13 AM

Pretty typical Jones stuff. Fucking up almost everything.

Huh? This is exactly the right move.

Prescott hasn't shown to be better than a very average league QB. He's overachieved for a mid-round pick, but so did Cousins. And Cousins has a better, stronger arm than Prescott. The bottom line is, with a guy like Prescott or Alex Smith, he won't lose you the game like a Jameis Winston or Fitzpatrick or even Philip Rivers might, but he won't win under rough circumstances either (think last year's slew of road losses in must-win games).

You can win a Super Bowl with Prescott, but not on an albatross contract of over 13% of the salary cap, much less the >20% he is asking for. To win a Super Bowl with Prescott, you must have elite pieces around him, specifically at OL, WR, a fearsome running game, and an above-average defense. He's not a guy like Brady, Mahomes, prime Manning(s), etc. where you can win with lesser forces because the QB is truly that great. Even top tier QBs like Rodgers and Wilson haven't made it past the championship game since getting paid big money, because those teams have had to compromise around the rest of the roster.

We can keep Dalton long term at well under 10% of the cap, and also draft our QB of the future next year and release Dalton for minimal dead money hit any time we want. Seems like the smart solution. Not to mention, this is McCarthy's first year with the Cowboys and with Prescott, so Prescott still gets 1 year to prove himself as indispensable to the organization, similar to the chance Garrett had last year (and screwed the pooch on).

If Prescott keeps his starting job all of 2020 and goes on to make or win the Super Bowl, he will absolutely get his desired 40m/year contract instead of the tag next offseason. If it's another 8-8 or even 10-6 and divisional round exit... it's tag and trade time, baby. The loser of the Lawrence sweepstakes between Carolina/Jacksonville will be needing an experienced starter, since there really isn't elite QB depth in next year's class behind Lawrence.

SpursforSix

07-15-2020, 09:19 AM

Huh? This is exactly the right move.

Prescott hasn't shown to be better than a very average league QB. He's overachieved for a mid-round pick, but so did Cousins. And Cousins has a better, stronger arm than Prescott. The bottom line is, with a guy like Prescott or Alex Smith, he won't lose you the game like a Jameis Winston or Fitzpatrick or even Philip Rivers might, but he won't win under rough circumstances either (think last year's slew of road losses in must-win games).

You can win a Super Bowl with Prescott, but not on an albatross contract of over 13% of the salary cap, much less the >20% he is asking for. To win a Super Bowl with Prescott, you must have elite pieces around him, specifically at OL, WR, a fearsome running game, and an above-average defense. He's not a guy like Brady, Mahomes, prime Manning(s), etc. where you can win with lesser forces because the QB is truly that great. Even top tier QBs like Rodgers and Wilson haven't made it past the championship game since getting paid big money, because those teams have had to compromise around the rest of the roster.

We can keep Dalton long term at well under 10% of the cap, and also draft our QB of the future next year and release Dalton for minimal dead money hit any time we want. Seems like the smart solution. Not to mention, this is McCarthy's first year with the Cowboys and with Prescott, so Prescott still gets 1 year to prove himself as indispensable to the organization, similar to the chance Garrett had last year (and screwed the pooch on).

If Prescott keeps his starting job all of 2020 and goes on to make or win the Super Bowl, he will absolutely get his desired 40m/year contract instead of the tag next offseason. If it's another 8-8 or even 10-6 and divisional round exit... it's tag and trade time, baby. The loser of the Lawrence sweepstakes between Carolina/Jacksonville will be needing an experienced starter, since there really isn't elite QB depth in next year's class behind Lawrence.

They have an aging O-line. They overpaid Zeke by tens of millions which will hamstring them for awhile. Same with Cooper although his contract is easier to get rid of.
If they don't keep Dak around, they'll have to draft a rookie QB. But since they're competitive, it's not going to be the top one or two college QBs. So if they're lucky, they draft someone good and it takes a couple of years for them to develop into a starting caliber QB. Meanwhile, Zeke is surely past his prime and the O-line will somehow need to be rebuilt.

Dak is capable of winning a SB with the right pieces around him. They have a lot of those pieces right now.

Millennial_Messiah

07-15-2020, 09:36 AM

They have an aging O-line. They overpaid Zeke by tens of millions which will hamstring them for awhile. Same with Cooper although his contract is easier to get rid of.
If they don't keep Dak around, they'll have to draft a rookie QB. But since they're competitive, it's not going to be the top one or two college QBs. So if they're lucky, they draft someone good and it takes a couple of years for them to develop into a starting caliber QB. Meanwhile, Zeke is surely past his prime and the O-line will somehow need to be rebuilt.

Dak is capable of winning a SB with the right pieces around him. They have a lot of those pieces right now.
And, he will have his chance to prove it. This year. If he doesn't, it's tag and trade Prescott time, and we'll likely have a mid first rounder or better if we don't make the playoffs; use that ammo to go up and get your guy. If you can't, then draft a superstar at, say, LT, Edge or CB, take your chances with Dalton, and plan to draft QB of the future the next year.

As for the Zeke deal... if he goes the route of Gurley, they can get out of it the same way the Rams did. Sure, it'll eat up a substantial dead hit the first year, but it won't be a severe long term problem.

Cooper is part of the main core strength of the offense... don't want to lose him, also want to get Gallup extended long term, especially if he'll sign in the 10-15m range.

As for the O-Line... Martin and Collins are elite and just fine for the long haul, and barring injury, O-Linemen have a longer, later prime than most other contact positions. For example, the Eagles have had virtually the same O-Line for a very long time and they've been fine. Rookie Biadasz was way under-drafted and arguably the best college center in college football by PFF metrics, and went to the same school as Frederick... Frederick being an alumni, will coach him up. We don't have a stud at LG at the moment but plenty of pieces there and LG is usually the most expendable piece of the O-Line. But Tyron Smith's back is the main question mark. Unless they plan on moving Collins back to his college LT spot (I don't think it's the right move, since elite edge rushers are increasingly preferring to rush from the left defensive edge spot, which pits him against the RT and not the LT) we'll have to draft another stud LT pretty soon too in the next couple years.

SpursforSix

07-15-2020, 01:12 PM

And, he will have his chance to prove it. This year. If he doesn't, it's tag and trade Prescott time, and we'll likely have a mid first rounder or better if we don't make the playoffs; use that ammo to go up and get your guy. If you can't, then draft a superstar at, say, LT, Edge or CB, take your chances with Dalton, and plan to draft QB of the future the next year.

As for the Zeke deal... if he goes the route of Gurley, they can get out of it the same way the Rams did. Sure, it'll eat up a substantial dead hit the first year, but it won't be a severe long term problem.

Cooper is part of the main core strength of the offense... don't want to lose him, also want to get Gallup extended long term, especially if he'll sign in the 10-15m range.

As for the O-Line... Martin and Collins are elite and just fine for the long haul, and barring injury, O-Linemen have a longer, later prime than most other contact positions. For example, the Eagles have had virtually the same O-Line for a very long time and they've been fine. Rookie Biadasz was way under-drafted and arguably the best college center in college football by PFF metrics, and went to the same school as Frederick... Frederick being an alumni, will coach him up. We don't have a stud at LG at the moment but plenty of pieces there and LG is usually the most expendable piece of the O-Line. But Tyron Smith's back is the main question mark. Unless they plan on moving Collins back to his college LT spot (I don't think it's the right move, since elite edge rushers are increasingly preferring to rush from the left defensive edge spot, which pits him against the RT and not the LT) we'll have to draft another stud LT pretty soon too in the next couple years.

I was thinking about this the other night. Me and your mom were watching Taken 2. I ended up getting a little wasted and stooled on the coffee table. She ended up doing Hungry Hungry Hippos all over that. When she was done, she wanted to spoon. I was so freaked out after watching her eat my poop that I just went home.

Millennial_Messiah

07-15-2020, 01:45 PM

I was thinking about this the other night. Me and your mom were watching Taken 2. I ended up getting a little wasted and stooled on the coffee table. She ended up doing Hungry Hungry Hippos all over that. When she was done, she wanted to spoon. I was so freaked out after watching her eat my poop that I just went home.
Just like an 8th-grader. *Stoops to yo-momma jokes* is code for "I lose, and I give up"., tbh. :toast

SpursforSix

07-15-2020, 01:54 PM

Just like an 8th-grader. *Stoops to yo-momma jokes* is code for "I lose, and I give up"., tbh. :toast

Your takes are so bad that it's pretty impossible to address everything.

Millennial_Messiah

07-15-2020, 02:21 PM

Your takes are so bad that it's pretty impossible to address everything.

:lol Middle School Mentality
:lol "I'm losing by 30, so I'm going to change the subject instead of taking the L like a man"

SpursforSix

07-15-2020, 02:28 PM

:lol Middle School Mentality
:lol "I'm losing by 30, so I'm going to change the subject instead of taking the L like a man"

LMAO. Shit...your playbook is to just never acknowledge you're wrong and ignore any posts that factually refute your dumb takes.
You are the exact opposite of someone who takes Ls like a man.

SpursforSix

07-15-2020, 02:30 PM

:lol Middle School Mentality
:lol "I'm losing by 30, so I'm going to change the subject instead of taking the L like a man"

Also...what's with your mom's labia?

spurraider21

07-15-2020, 03:24 PM

titans just paid derrick henry... guess they didnt learn from gurley/zeke deals

BackHome

07-15-2020, 10:07 PM

Yeah Zeke deal was dumb RB are the easiest position to fill in the NFL and RB do not age well in the NFL. As far as DAK I like the guy but don’t love the guy and I kinda agree if your paying him MAX type of QB money your other positions will me mostly one year type of guys so no dominant defense for sure. If you look at our defense we got a whole lot of one year contracts which I think the guys they brought in are good but very hard to do this year in and year out.

This season is going to be really hard to judge with the Virus having major impacts on training camp and possibly the amount of games played. You could have a team suddenly have 2 to 6 starters out for two weeks because of testing positive for it. This is the year that what ever team is able to keep the injury bug and the Corona bug away from there team has a good chance to win it all.

Millennial_Messiah

07-16-2020, 09:11 AM

titans just paid derrick henry... guess they didnt learn from gurley/zeke deals

Henry at 4y/50m didn't reset the market though, that's 12.5m which is significantly less than the 15m that gurley and zeke got.

Millennial_Messiah

07-16-2020, 09:53 AM

no long term deal with dak reached. congrats ST cowboys fans

for now

Average QB doesn't get paid elite QB money.

Find a 2nd round talent at QB in the 4th round? That's great, doesn't mean you have to pay him like a #1 overall pick when his rookie contract ends.

Jerry playing Chess, the rest of the league playing monopoly

:danceclub

Depending on what happens with Jacksonville / Carolina (only truly QB needy teams at the moment), Cam Newton and the Patriots, Drew Lock and the Broncos, etc., Prescott could be looking at a big contract from a bottom feeder next year...... Or he may never get his "generational" money, and end up having to settle on a Winston/2020 Newton contract, :lmao

Darth_Pelican

07-16-2020, 10:00 AM

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SuperCam

07-16-2020, 10:20 AM

he will be a new york jet before the end of 2021

BackHome

07-17-2020, 03:07 PM

SpursforSix

07-20-2020, 03:24 PM

If he stays a Cowboy after this season it’s because he agreed to new contract because the Boys can not franchise him again because the CAP will probably be going down because of Corona.

I think Henry was smart to take that contract just as Dak should have taken his because the virus ain’t going away and it’s going to have a huge impact on the NFL bottom line.

Henry made the right decision. Over 300 carries last season. He's either a freak of nature and can do that a couple more seasons or he's going to break down pretty quick. Either way, he just guaranteed himself over $25 million. No reason to get cute and worry about "respect".