Nobel Prize-winning scientist explains why COVID lockdowns may have cost more lives than they saved

[ducks]

'I think lockdown saved no lives'

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CHRIS ENLOE
Stanford School of Medicine Professor Michael Levitt, who won the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry, says the strict lockdown measures imposed to combat the coronavirus pandemic may have cost more lives than they saved.

"I think lockdown saved no lives," Levitt said on Saturday, The Telegraph reported.

"I think it may have cost lives. It will have saved a few road accident lives, things like that, but social damage — domestic abuse, divorces, alcoholism — has been extreme. And then you have those who were not treated for other conditions," he explained.

Levitt correctly predicted the scale of the pandemic, which most models, such as the widely publicized model from Imperial College, grossly overestimated. Those overestimations resulted in unnecessary "panic," Levitt said.

"I think that the real virus was the panic virus," Levitt said. "For reasons that were not clear to me, I think the leaders panicked and the people panicked and I think there was a huge lack of discussion."

Instead of mass lockdowns, which have been ongoing for several months across most of the globe, Levitt has advocated for developing "herd immunity."

In a separate interview earlier this month, Levitt explained:

I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. I see the standout winners as Germany and Sweden. They didn't practise too much lockdown and they got enough people sick to get some herd immunity.

I see the standout losers as countries like Austria, Australia and Israel that had very strict lockdown but didn't have many cases.They have damaged their economies, caused massive social damage, damaged the educational year of their children, but not obtained any herd immunity.

There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.
Unfortunately, Levitt's observations are already proving true.

[Blake]

"The study's results have provided further fuel for the critics of the Swedish approach. With 39.26 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's mortality rate is not only higher than that of the U.S. (29.87 deaths per 100,000) but also exponentially higher than those of its neighbors Norway (4.42 per 100,000) and Finland (5.56 per 100,000), which both enacted strict lockdown measures, according to data from Johns Hopkins University...."

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/25/861923548/stockholm-wont-reach-herd-immunity-in-may-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist-says

[Spurtacular]

"The study's results have provided further fuel for the critics of the Swedish approach. With 39.26 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's mortality rate is not only higher than that of the U.S. (29.87 deaths per 100,000) but also exponentially higher than those of its neighbors Norway (4.42 per 100,000) and Finland (5.56 per 100,000), which both enacted strict lockdown measures, according to data from Johns Hopkins University...."

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/25/861923548/stockholm-wont-reach-herd-immunity-in-may-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist-says

Measures of who bungled their nursing homes the most.

Thanks, Democrat governors.

[Blake]

Measures of who bungled their nursing homes the most.

Thanks, Democrat governors.

You're an idiot

[boutons_deux]

Levitt is full of BULLSHIT

Sweden is the obvious counterexample

and USA's joke-y, extortionate, culture-war re-opening is already seeing the cases plateauing overall and INCREASING in red states, instead of continuing to decline from social-distancing.

[Spurtacular]

You're an idiot

Why don't those stats differentiate based on nursing homes whenever we're talking about measures for society as a whole?

[pgardn]

Levitt is full of BULLSHIT

Sweden is the obvious counterexample

and USA's joke-y, extortionate, culture-war re-opening is already seeing the cases plateauing overall and INCREASING in red states, instead of continuing to decline from social-distancing.

Nobel prize winner for modeling Chemical reactions sticks his nose into deeper water.
it’s happened before. We have had various physicists claim that blacks are inferior and they know nothing about intelligence testing or genetics or brain function.

but hey they won a Nobel prize just like Yassir Arafat.

[boutons_deux]

CNN reports cases increasing in 18 states, esp esp red/slave states that are "re-opening"

[tholdren]

Nobel prize winner for modeling Chemical reactions sticks his nose into deeper water.
it’s happened before. We have had various physicists claim that blacks are inferior and they know nothing about intelligence testing or genetics or brain function.

but hey they won a Nobel prize just like Yassir Arafat.

Lol you

[clambake]

Dr. Trump said they want doctors that agree with dr. Trump.

Looks like they got a guy. Can’t wait to hear the grilling this guys gonna get.

[Spurtacular]

Nobel Prize winners bad now.

[spurraider21]

Nobel Prize winners bad now.
nobel prize winners great in the fields of expertise where they won their nobel prizes

[TheGreatYacht]

Ducks with the good news exposing the PLANDEMIC hoax virus :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Nobel Prize winners bad now.

People are scared to be wrong. Truth and reality scares the shit out of people. So much that they rather avoid it.

[Brazil]

:lol when ducks will post the nobel prize scientists explaining why lockdowns may have saved more lives ?

speaking of ducks, hope this pos follow his leader, drink bleach, take chloro and go outside in large people segregation tbh... if the covid could serve only the purpose of whipping his ass that would be a silver lining

[tholdren]

nobel prize winners great in the fields of expertise where they won their nobel prizes

You mean Neil Ferguson?

[spurraider21]

You mean Neil Ferguson?
you think my comment about nobel prize winners was referring to a guy that wasnt a nobel prize winner?

[tholdren]

you think my comment about nobel prize winners was referring to a guy that wasnt a nobel prize winner?

No. I think you were trying to discredit the opinion of someone who isn't in the field, which you were, by making the point that only experts in the field of epidemiology or virology could be correct.

[spurraider21]

No. I think you were trying to discredit the opinion of someone who isn't in the field, which you were, by making the point that only experts in the field of epidemiology or virology could be correct.
experts in the field aren't the only ones who can be correct. they are just the most likely to reach their conclusions by a sound understanding of the actual variables at play and the training to analyze and interpret those variables. they could still end up wrong, and somebody taking an uneducated shot in the dark may be right. doesnt mean i'm not going to defer to experts

whether or not ferguson was a hypocrite/asshole is irrelevant to whether or not his assessments were right or wrong

if the person who discovered that cigarette smokers are more prone to lung cancer himself continued to smoke, that wouldnt make his findings inaccurate.

[tholdren]

experts in the field aren't the only ones who can be correct. they are just the most likely to reach their conclusions by a sound understanding of the actual variables at play and the training to analyze and interpret those variables. they could still end up wrong, and somebody taking an uneducated shot in the dark may be right. doesnt mean i'm not going to defer to experts

whether or not ferguson was a hypocrite/asshole is irrelevant to whether or not his assessments were right or wrong

if the person who discovered that cigarette smokers are more prone to lung cancer himself continued to smoke, that wouldnt make his findings inaccurate.

I'm specifically stating he was incorrect. As many in the field would agree, and have agreed.

[spurraider21]

I'm specifically stating he was incorrect. As many in the field would agree, and have agreed.
what was he incorrect about, specifically?

[tholdren]

what was he incorrect about, specifically?
Imperial College epidemiologist Neil Ferguson’s model became the point of influencing lockdown policies.

Ferguson backtracked on his model’s accuracy just
weeks later after the projections tanked. The swing and miss on COVID-19 Ferguson predicted 200 million would die from
the bird flu in 2005--deaths totaled 455. In 2009 Ferguson predicted 65,000
people would die in the U.K. from swine flu—the death toll was 392.

[spurraider21]

Imperial College epidemiologist Neil Ferguson’s model became the point of influencing lockdown policies.

Ferguson backtracked on his model’s accuracy just
weeks later after the projections tanked. The swing and miss on COVID-19 Ferguson predicted 200 million would die from
the bird flu in 2005--deaths totaled 455. In 2009 Ferguson predicted 65,000
people would die in the U.K. from swine flu—the death toll was 392.
as far as im aware their models on covid were initially based on "no mitigation" which obviously isnt the case, and has been adjusted accordingly as new data rolled in

[tholdren]

as far as im aware their models on covid were initially based on "no mitigation" which obviously isnt the case, and has been adjusted accordingly as new data rolled in
Much of the concern stems from the weight placed by ministers on a report published on March 16 by a team of epidemiologists at Imperial College, London led by Neil Ferguson. Not only did this document warn that, unchecked, the virus could kill 510,000 people, it counselled that even with the government’s then preferred strategy of “mitigation”, more than 250,000 would die, with the National Health Service rapidly becoming wholly overwhelmed.

[ChumpDumper]

as far as im aware their models on covid were initially based on "no mitigation" which obviously isnt the case, and has been adjusted accordingly as new data rolled in

Looks like you're right.

A few days after the U.K. changed its policies, Neil Ferguson, the scientist who led the Imperial College team, testified before Parliament that he expected deaths in the U.K. to top out at about 20,000. The drastically lower number caused shock waves: One former New York Times reporter described it as “a remarkable turn,” and the British tabloid the Daily Mail ran a story about how the scientist had a “patchy” record in modeling. The conservative site The Federalist even declared, “The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back the Apocalyptic Predictions.”

But there was no turn, no walking back, not even a revision in the model. If you read the original paper, the model lays out a range of predictions—from tens of thousands to 500,000 dead—which all depend on how people react.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-models-arent-supposed-be-right/609271/

[Medvedenko]

The Trump White house can't have it both ways....They state that if they did nothing, that 1.5-2.2m would have died due to this epidemic, stating that since we're at 100k it's a victory in restraint and shutting down the economy made sense...hence them DOING something. Now we hear that there is so much more death with suicides, people not being able to get to the hospital for check ups etc etc, so by opening we will reduce these deaths...what do they want. If the original # is 1.5 to 2.2m, where's the delta with them re-opening now and gambling on overall death count.

You can't boast lives saves by travel bans, shut down etc when then say that the cure is worse than the disease a few months later, with BS suicide stats....There is no winning on any sides here. The fact that the "greatest" country in the world has reacted poorly, not leading like they are stating and based on actual figures, failing or being average compared to other countries on mortality and response.

I thought the US was great....this process showed everyone that it's not the case.

[tholdren]

Looks like you're right.

A few days after the U.K. changed its policies, Neil Ferguson, the scientist who led the Imperial College team, testified before Parliament that he expected deaths in the U.K. to top out at about 20,000. The drastically lower number caused shock waves: One former New York Times reporter described it as “a remarkable turn,” and the British tabloid the Daily Mail ran a story about how the scientist had a “patchy” record in modeling. The conservative site The Federalist even declared, “The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back the Apocalyptic Predictions.”

But there was no turn, no walking back, not even a revision in the model. If you read the original paper, the model lays out a range of predictions—from tens of thousands to 500,000 dead—which all depend on how people react.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-models-arent-supposed-be-right/609271/

Much of the concern stems from the weight placed by ministers on a report published on March 16 by a team of epidemiologists at Imperial College, London led by Neil Ferguson. Not only did this document warn that, unchecked, the virus could kill 510,000 people, it counselled that even with the government’s then preferred strategy of “mitigation”, more than 250,000 would die, with the National Health Service rapidly becoming wholly overwhelmed.

So he's said a multitude of things he's been wrong about. You can relate. Serial goalpost movers.

[ChumpDumper]

Much of the concern stems from the weight placed by ministers on a report published on March 16 by a team of epidemiologists at Imperial College, London led by Neil Ferguson. Not only did this document warn that, unchecked, the virus could kill 510,000 people, it counselled that even with the government’s then preferred strategy of “mitigation”, more than 250,000 would die, with the National Health Service rapidly becoming wholly overwhelmed.Well, as a scientist do you know what the government's then preferred strategy of mitigation was?

A simple yes or no will do as you are a scientist and certainly won't try to change the subject you brought up.

[baseline bum]

I thought the US was great....

Why would you think that? :lol

[tholdren]

Well, as a scientist -- do you know what the government's then preferred strategy of mitigation was?

A simple yes or no will do as you are a scientist and certainly won't try to change the subject you brought up.

So I was right. It did include mitigation. Thanks for being an internet philabuster mr. Kansas

[ChumpDumper]

So I was right. It did include mitigation.No one is disputing the lower number included the government's then preferred strategy of mitigation. The higher number did not.

As a scientist -- do you know what the government's then preferred strategy of mitigation was?

A simple yes or no will do as you are a scientist and certainly won't try to change the subject you brought up.

[pgardn]

Lol you

Compelling retort from a retard.

[ChumpDumper]

Compelling retort from a retard.:lol he keeps trying to say he's a scientist

[tholdren]

No one is disputing the lower number included the government's then preferred strategy of mitigation. The higher number did not.

As a scientist -- do you know what the government's then preferred strategy of mitigation was?

A simple yes or no will do as you are a scientist and certainly won't try to change the subject you brought up.

I was right again. I said he was off using mitigation. And there you have it. Me 15 you 0

Wetmarkets and Kansas say hello

[ChumpDumper]

I was right again. I said he was off using mitigation. And there you have it. Me 15 you 0

Wetmarkets and Kansas say helloI've never seen a scientist so afraid of talking about science.

After the UK government announced its actual mitigation plan, the model was adjusted downward.

Speaking as a scientist, do you dispute this?

[pgardn]

:lol he keeps trying to say he's a scientist

He blew that dream up long ago when banished from the Spurs forum.
So he has come down here to be a punching bag.
Its actually a good thing, a type of public service that the GreatPlot performs for us as well.

We know the dumb asses in the neighborhood.

[ChumpDumper]

He blew that dream up long ago when banished from the Spurs forum.
So he has come down here to be a punching bag.
Its actually a good thing, a type of public service that the GreatPlot performs for us as well.

We know the dumb asses in the neighborhood.:lol is this the way he thinks scientists communicate? Changing the subject and melting down?

[tholdren]

He blew that dream up long ago when banished from the Spurs forum.
So he has come down here to be a punching bag.
Its actually a good thing, a type of public service that the GreatPlot performs for us as well.

We know the dumb asses in the neighborhood.

Personally invested. Scary. Keep gossiping. Lol you two

[ChumpDumper]

Personally invested.You sure are. Why?

[DMC]

So all the models have caveat of "or not".

[ChumpDumper]

So all the models have caveat of "or not".I've never seen a model claim that it is a definite prediction of the future. This seems to be what you are implying.

[spurraider21]

So all the models have caveat of "or not".
you can always speak to a psychic with a crystal ball instead

[pgardn]

So all the models have caveat of "or not".

All models have a caveat.
Good data that shows they are wrong and therefore need to be adjusted.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know why the most prominent members of ST's Science Force pretend to know so little about infectious disease models.

[Nathan89]

"The study's results have provided further fuel for the critics of the Swedish approach. With 39.26 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's mortality rate is not only higher than that of the U.S. (29.87 deaths per 100,000) but also exponentially higher than those of its neighbors Norway (4.42 per 100,000) and Finland (5.56 per 100,000), which both enacted strict lockdown measures, according to data from Johns Hopkins University...."

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/25/861923548/stockholm-wont-reach-herd-immunity-in-may-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist-says

https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1265285897295220737?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1265285897295220737?s=20If Norway can keep its numbers that low without lockdowns, that's great.

Sweden's numbers still suck.

[Millennial_Messiah]

contrary to TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719) belief, ching-chang-chongers are to blame, not Jews or Israelites or "Zionists".

[TheGreatYacht]

contrary to TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719) belief, ching-chang-chongers are to blame, not Jews or Israelites or "Zionists".

Covid-19 only exists on your TV set. The Zionists are pulling the strings to the government takeover going on all over the world. The parasites elites (Jews) are fulfilling what they been planning for years.

Things may be getting back to normal but strap your seat belt cuz the Bill Gates agenda (certificate of immunization) is to come after the fall wave of Covid cases return. Jewish controlled media is already warning us of things to get worse in the fall.

So enjoy this small window of opportunity that we have left. Will you wake up on time and do something about it?

[ChumpDumper]

Covid-19 only exists on your TV set. The Zionists are pulling the strings to the government takeover going on all over the world. The parasites elites (Jews) are fulfilling what they been planning for years.

Things may be getting back to normal but strap your seat belt cuz the Bill Gates agenda (certificate of immunization) is to come after the fall wave of Covid cases return. Jewish controlled media is already warning us of things to get worse in the fall.

So enjoy this small window of opportunity that we have left. Will you wake up on time and do something about it?What are you going to do about it?

[TheGreatYacht]

contrary to TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719) belief, ching-chang-chongers are to blame, not Jews or Israelites or "Zionists".

Senate Committee Approves $38 Billion Israel Defense Package

A $38 billion military aid package for Israel is moving to the Senate after being approved in the chamber’s Foreign Relations Committee on Thursday.

The bill (S.B. 3176) provides Israel, which currently receives more American aid than any other nation, an additional $3.8 billion a year over the next decade. It includes financing to upgrade most of Israel’s fighter aircraft, improve its ground forces’ mobility and strengthen its missile defense systems.

Largest Ever Military Assistance Deal

“I was proud to reintroduce this bipartisan bill that strengthens our nation’s strategic security alliance with Israel, a vibrant democracy that faces growing and unprecedented threats to its security and stability,” said Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, the bill’s co-sponsor. “I hope my colleagues will quickly move to pass it in both chambers and send it to the President for signing.”




Ouch. The parasites have control over both parties of Congress :lol

You can shut your eyes and ears all you want but the parasitic elite threat is real.

[BSfromTX]

What are you going to do about it?

He's trying to help people see what he sees. You don't have to believe all of it, but

[Blake]

People are scared to be wrong. Truth and reality scares the shit out of people. So much that they rather avoid it.

He's literally wrong about Sweden. This truth scares the shit out of you?

[tholdren]

If Norway can keep its numbers that low without lockdowns, that's great.

Sweden's numbers still suck.

lol you dont understand how the virus spreads. Those numbers suck man. Lolololol

[ChumpDumper]

lol you dont understand how the virus spreads. Those numbers suck man. LololololAccording to you, how does the virus spread?

Why are Norway's numbers worse than Sweden's according to you?

[tholdren]

According to you, how does the virus spread?

Why are Norway's numbers worse than Sweden's according to you?
Well texas tests.... bwahahahahhaahahaha

[ChumpDumper]

Well texas tests.... bwahahahahhaahahaha:lol you're afraid to answer

:lmao you call yourself a scientist

[tholdren]

:lol you're afraid to answer

:lmao you call yourself a scientist
No quick tell me more about cdc releases of daily infections. Lol you think thought that was good data. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

No quick tell me:lmao "scientist" wants to be told
:lol your numbers are super secret and can't be revealed but we should trust you

but continue