Why doesn’t anyone in the media defend david robinson in all time ranking list

[apalisoc_9]

It’s crazy, but he should be rated higher.

I’m actually worried if Kawhi reaches the finals this year, media would basically say Kawhi is the 2nd best player to ever play in a spurs uniform. He’s already ranked in the 22-27 range with only two championships.

i wonder if robinson fans are just too old to be involved in these list...

lefty

[Thomas82]

I have him in my top 15.

[apalisoc_9]

I have him in my top 15.

Same.

I reckon once kawhi wins another ring they will put him above david. Is that fair?

[Thomas82]

Same.

I reckon once kawhi wins another ring they will put him above david. Is that fair?

I can see why they would, mainly because of recency bias, but I wouldn't. He still has a lot of catching up to do with The Admiral in accolades.

[Arcadian]

Robinson is in the 15-20 range. The main advantages he has over Kawhi are:

+MVP season
+Scoring title
+71 point game
+Quadruple double
+Bigger and more athletic

Kawhi's main advantages:

+Finals MVP
+Being the best player on a champion team

[FrostKing]

At this point clearly Robinson. As Leonard has low averages in his career.

Why David is discredited. I think it is stereotypes media/players had of him. David was highly intelligent for NBA player and had charisma. His influence should have gone beyond sports. At that time such a package was seen as soft. Barkley joins West and makes Finals. Half the size of David the statue.

[From Downtown]

Not your usual NBA superstar + Tim Duncan came after him + people remember Hakeem going at him + recency bias
But as others said he's actually Top 20, so skilled for someone so athletic

[Spurtacular]

I said D-Rob would've been GOAT if he had learned how to shoot (consistently). I said the same thing about Shaq.

Oh, well.

[Thomas82]

Robinson is in the 15-20 range. The main advantages he has over Kawhi are:

+MVP season
+Scoring title
+71 point game
+Quadruple double
+Bigger and more athletic

Kawhi's main advantages:

+Finals MVP
+Being the best player on a champion team

The Admiral also led the league in rebounding and blocks as well, along with so many more accolades.

[Nathan89]

He should have joined the Bulls and racked up some easy rings like Durant.

[Thomas82]

He should have joined the Bulls and racked up some easy rings like Durant.

There were actually internal discussions at one point by the Bulls FO to call the Spurs and offer Michael Jordan for David Robinson in a trade. It was believed back then that The Admiral would become one of the NBA's 10 greatest players ever.

[dbreiden83080]

Didn't play in the big market or win until Tim came along. No high profile rivalries either, other than the beating he got from Hakeem. Ewing was trying to get past MJ and the Bulls.. Reggie and the Pacers..

[TD 21]

Not to hijack your thread, but why would anyone consider Scumbag's last and possible future (in the current scenario) championships legitimate?

Those rosters were only formed because he intentionally destroyed his value, then blackmailed another franchise. In both cases, he ends up with the most complete team in the league and in the case of the former, lucks into the prohibitive favorites being decimated by injury in the Finals. Contrived = tainted.

Unfortunately, if he tacks on a few more, he'll not only be wrongly consensus ahead of Robinson, but probably Duncan too by the mainstream/casuals.

Robinson, Stockton, Paul and Ginobili, are the most underrated among that ilk.

[TimmyBuckets]

Rankings are dumb

[Shakril]

People, i know David is a Spurs Legend, and we all love him, but lets be honest. Without much thinking, everyone who at least has some knowledge about past greats, can name 20 Players which were better than David.

[KobesAchilles]

People, i know David is a Spurs Legend, and we all love him, but lets be honest. Without much thinking, everyone who at least has some knowledge about past greats, can name 20 Players which were better than David.
Um nope. Lol yeah let me count all the people who have won MVP, DPOY, led the league in scoring, blocks, and rebounds. Let’s see there’s David Robinson... Hakeem Olajuwon... oh and there’s ... ummm... nobody else in the history of the league

[phxspurfan]

It’s crazy, but he should be rated higher.

I’m actually worried if Kawhi reaches the finals this year, media would basically say Kawhi is the 2nd best player to ever play in a spurs uniform. He’s already ranked in the 22-27 range with only two championships.

i wonder if robinson fans are just too old to be involved in these list...

lefty

he wont be remembered as a spur tbh

[lefty]

Same.

I reckon once kawhi wins another ring they will put him above david. Is that fair?

He’s already above David
He has proved he can lead a team to a title

[stnick2261]

If Robinson played in today's NBA instead, he'd be in talks of greatest ever.

[lefty]

If Robinson played in today's NBA instead, he'd be in talks of greatest ever.
Nah he wuld be a poor man's Giannis

[Brazil]

:lol

[SpursDynasty85]

He’s already above David
He has proved he can lead a team to a title

With like the 3rd highest paid roster in the league. Pretty sure Robinson could've done that too.

[TDMVPDPOY]

drob had bullshit rosters around him...

[DeadlyDynasty]

The master of losing with HC advantage

[DAF86]

Another victim in the war of circumstances. Give Robinson the supporting cast other greats have had and he's easily regarded as a top 10 player of all-time right now.

Heck, I know I'm gonna stir the pot here but swap Robinson and Duncan's career timelines (Duncan debuts in '89 and Robinson debuts in '97. Everything else stays the same, supporting cast wise) and Robinson probably is rated higher than Timmy right now.

[Arcadian]

Nah he wuld be a poor man's Giannis

That's actually a terrible comparison. :lol Robinson had a sweet midrange jumper throughout his career. He was a far superior scorer to Giannis in a tougher defensive era. He was better at creating his own shot off the dribble. And he was a dominant rim protector. So not only are their styles completely different, but Robinson shits all over Giannis as a player.

[Brazil]

Heck, I know I'm gonna stir the pot here but swap Robinson and Duncan's career timelines (Duncan debuts in '89 and Robinson debuts in '97. Everything else stays the same, supporting cast wise) and Robinson probably is rated higher than Timmy right now.

:lol that's a pretty bold statement tbh... Duncan carried a quite shit roster to a title in 2003. I'm a Robinson fan but Duncan is the superior player

[dbreiden83080]

:lol that's a pretty bold statement tbh... Duncan carried a quite shit roster to a title in 2003. I'm a Robinson fan but Duncan is the superior player

I think Duncan had a greater passion for winning. Not that Robinson did NOT want to win, of course he did.. But there are levels..

[lefty]

That's actually a terrible comparison. :lol Robinson had a sweet midrange jumper throughout his career. He was a far superior scorer to Giannis in a tougher defensive era. He was better at creating his own shot off the dribble. And he was a dominant rim protector. So not only are their styles completely different, but Robinson shits all over Giannis as a player.
Tougher defensive era?

Let's see Robinson against the zone and GIannis in ISO vs inferior athletes :lol

[Prime BEEF]

The Admiral also led the league in rebounding and blocks as well, along with so many more accolades.
Yup. And finished top 3 in mvp voting in 5 seasons. And top 7 in 8 seasons. And he and mj are the only players to win ROY, MVP and DPOY

looking objectively at his stats and awards he falls into 11-18 range

[Prime BEEF]

Another victim in the war of circumstances. Give Robinson the supporting cast other greats have had and he's easily regarded as a top 10 player of all-time right now.

Heck, I know I'm gonna stir the pot here but swap Robinson and Duncan's career timelines (Duncan debuts in '89 and Robinson debuts in '97. Everything else stays the same, supporting cast wise) and Robinson probably is rated higher than Timmy right now.
I’d agree with this. Although even if you swapped them DRob wouldn’t have played as long as Duncan. But the chances of him getting 4 titles between 99-2007 would be very good.

DRob is like wilt. Freak athlete with skill that dominates. Duncan is more like Kareem. Big cerebral, fundamentally sound, very efficient with physical energy, which allows them to have long careers.

a big issue I have with these ranking lists is the longevity issue. Do you value a 10yr player with dominant stats over a 20yr guy that has great but not necessarily dominant stats. The 10yr guy in his prime is better than the 20yr guy in his prime but the 20yr guy has more awards and I’d higher on all time lists because he played longer.

[ducks]

Because pop cares more about trump then David Robinson who got him the job he has

[Thomas82]

Yup. And finished top 3 in mvp voting in 5 seasons. And top 7 in 8 seasons. And he and mj are the only players to win ROY, MVP and DPOY

looking objectively at his stats and awards he falls into 11-18 range

He's also the only American male basketball player in both the FIBA and International Basketball Halls Of Fame.

[DeadlyDynasty]

...and was eliminated by Tom Tolbert.

[DAF86]

I think Duncan had a greater passion for winning. Not that Robinson did NOT want to win, of course he did.. But there are levels..


Some people love to throw out terms like winners intangibles. Yeah well it’s not that hard to show winners intangibles on a winning team.

Sorry bro, couldn't help it. :lol

[DAF86]

:lol that's a pretty bold statement tbh... Duncan carried a quite shit roster to a title in 2003. I'm a Robinson fan but Duncan is the superior player

That 2003 had no other all-star level player but it was deep as fuck with a bunch of top tier role players: young Manu and Tony, past-prime Robinson, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Malik Rose, Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton. Probably the most well-rounded Spurs team behind the 2014 one. That roster was way better than anything Robinson had to work with as a top dog.

[Spurtacular]

Nah he wuld be a poor man's Giannis

No way. Robinson would score 50 on these 3's trying to play the 5. And he might even develop a 3 game that he clearly never worked on ever.

[Spurtacular]

I think Duncan had a greater passion for winning. Not that Robinson did NOT want to win, of course he did.. But there are levels..

Agree. Duncan did what it took to win always. Even in 98, ring-less D-Rob worried too much about being the alpha dog and did not defer to Duncan and it cost us an epic rookie Duncan vs. MJ final.

[ezau]

Nah he wuld be a poor man's Giannis

Robinson would have been a rich man's Chris Bosh.

[Brazil]

That 2003 had no other all-star level player but it was deep as fuck with a bunch of top tier role players: young Manu and Tony, past-prime Robinson, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Malik Rose, Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton. Probably the most well-rounded Spurs team behind the 2014 one. That roster was way better than anything Robinson had to work with as a top dog.

I believe that you are overestimating the depth and value of the 2003 roster tbh...

Manu and Tony were young but still very very raw with some atrocious shooting in particular in POs, Jax was the inefficient chucking machine we all know... In offense this team was a desert beside Tim. In that regard your comparison with 2014 is weird.. 2014 was deep of experienced players with great offense.

In terms of one player dominating a PO run I'm not sure you will find much equivalent than what Tim did in 2003. In the POs he averaged 3 times more ws, 10 more points, 10 more rebounds, 2 more assists (!?)... than second of the team... The "only" depth this team had was his defense, it's true but even here Tim was the best defender and it was not even close.

[DAF86]

I believe that you are overestimating the depth and value of the 2003 roster tbh...

Manu and Tony were young but still very very raw with some atrocious shooting in particular in POs, Jax was the inefficient chucking machine we all know... In offense this team was a desert beside Tim. In that regard your comparison with 2014 is weird.. 2014 was deep of experienced players with great offense.

In terms of one player dominating a PO run I'm not sure you will find much equivalent than what Tim did in 2003. In the POs he averaged 3 times more ws, 10 more points, 10 more rebounds, 2 more assists (!?)... than second of the team... The "only" depth this team had was his defense, it's true but even here Tim was the best defender and it was not even close.

Tony 15 ppg, Jackson 13 ppg, Manu and Malik 10 ppg, David 8 ppg, Bruce 7 ppg, Speedy 5 ppg. And then you had Kerr when you needed a bit more shooting.

That's a ton of offensive help for an early 00's team with such great defense. There's not a single liability on that rotation, neither on offense nor on defense. Sure, the difference maker was prime Duncan but with a lesser supporting cast it might not have been enough (heck, just watch a year earlier when Duncan was just as good). That was one hell of team, tbh. That's why they rang. Tell me which Robinson led Spurs had a supporting cast as good as that one?

[lefty]

Re: DAF and Brazil

Yes the 2003 roster had depth, but as Brazil said, Jax, Manu and Porker weren't playing at all stars level yet; Tony was still inconsistent in his sophomore year and he was only 20; Manu was a breath of fresh air for the Spurs with his unique style but was adjusting to the NBA and made a lot of mistakes; Jackson made huge clutch shots for us but he also had horrendous shooting nights; Robinsion averaged like 8 PPG in his final season

The only consstent player was Duncan really, and he had to make sure to be on top of his game for 100+ games that year, because of the reasons mentioned above

[Brazil]

Tony 15 ppg, Jackson 13 ppg, Manu and Malik 10 ppg, David 8 ppg, Bruce 7 ppg, Speedy 5 ppg. And then you had Kerr when you needed a bit more shooting.

That's a ton of offensive help for an early 00's team with such great defense. There's not a single liability on that rotation, neither on offense nor on defense. Sure, the difference maker was prime Duncan but with a lesser supporting cast it might not have been enough (heck, just watch a year earlier when Duncan was just as good). That was one hell of team, tbh. That's why they rang. Tell me which Robinson led Spurs had a supporting cast as good as that one?

Manu Tony Jax were averaging that numbers shooting 40%. The only other player shooting above 50% was David.

And again except for the final, it is not like this run was a cakewalk with Suns, Lakers and Dallas.. all dog fights in 6 games. I don't think a 26 y/o David would have carried that run like Tim did.

I respect your pov but for me no way David>Tim. I agree David is massively underrated but Tim is the superior player.

[widowmaker]

Tougher defensive era?

Let's see Robinson against the zone and GIannis in ISO vs inferior athletes :lol

Oh man let me know when you find a time machine.

[dbreiden83080]

Agree. Duncan did what it took to win always. Even in 98, ring-less D-Rob worried too much about being the alpha dog and did not defer to Duncan and it cost us an epic rookie Duncan vs. MJ final.

David was a great player no doubt.. But to an extent being a top player in the NBA, maybe was enough for him. Just my opinion. He wanted to win.. But Tim it seemed different. He felt his legacy depended on rings..

[dbreiden83080]

Manu Tony Jax were averaging that numbers shooting 40%. The only other player shooting above 50% was David.

And again except for the final, it is not like this run was a cakewalk with Suns, Lakers and Dallas.. all dog fights in 6 games. I don't think a 26 y/o David would have carried that run like Tim did.

I respect your pov but for me no way David>Tim. I agree David is massively underrated but Tim is the superior player.

David is NOT underrated. He is one of the best centers of his generation. Ranked behind guys like Hakeem, Shaq. Most would say he is better than Ewing Slightly I guess.

[dbreiden83080]

Re: DAF and Brazil

Yes the 2003 roster had depth, but as Brazil said, Jax, Manu and Porker weren't playing at all stars level yet; Tony was still inconsistent in his sophomore year and he was only 20; Manu was a breath of fresh air for the Spurs with his unique style but was adjusting to the NBA and made a lot of mistakes; Jackson made huge clutch shots for us but he also had horrendous shooting nights; Robinsion averaged like 8 PPG in his final season

The only consstent player was Duncan really, and he had to make sure to be on top of his game for 100+ games that year, because of the reasons mentioned above

WOW MAN!!

I am impressed..

https://i.gifer.com/61Qx.gif

[dbreiden83080]

I believe that you are overestimating the depth and value of the 2003 roster tbh...

Manu and Tony were young but still very very raw with some atrocious shooting in particular in POs, Jax was the inefficient chucking machine we all know... In offense this team was a desert beside Tim. In that regard your comparison with 2014 is weird.. 2014 was deep of experienced players with great offense.

In terms of one player dominating a PO run I'm not sure you will find much equivalent than what Tim did in 2003. In the POs he averaged 3 times more ws, 10 more points, 10 more rebounds, 2 more assists (!?)... than second of the team... The "only" depth this team had was his defense, it's true but even here Tim was the best defender and it was not even close.

Duncan's Finals Run was amazing in 2003.. 24/17/5 on 50%. 21/20/10/8 in game 6.. That is just insane.

[Arcadian]

Tougher defensive era?

Let's see Robinson against the zone and GIannis in ISO vs inferior athletes :lol
Hand checking.

And what the hell do you mean by inferior athletes? The 90s was the best decade for centers. :lol Robinson was going up against young Shaq, Ewing, Olajuwon, Mourning, and Mutombo...

[Thomas82]

Duncan's Finals Run was amazing in 2003.. 24/17/5 on 50%. 21/20/10/8 in game 6.. That is just insane.

Yeah, he was 2 steals away from having a 5x5 in Game 1 and then he got the unofficial quadruple-double in Game 6.

[lefty]

Oh man let me know when you find a time machine.

Working on it, BRB

[lefty]

Hand checking.

And what the hell do you mean by inferior athletes? The 90s was the best decade for centers. :lol Robinson was going up against young Shaq, Ewing, Olajuwon, Mourning, and Mutombo...

Hand checking :lol one of the biggest myths in sports

[lefty]

WOW MAN!!

I am impressed..

https://i.gifer.com/61Qx.gif

:bobo

[Brazil]

Most would say he is better than Ewing Slightly I guess.

and you are saying he is not underrated ? :lol slightly better than Ewing ? :lol oh boy

[dbreiden83080]

and you are saying he is not underrated ? :lol slightly better than Ewing ? :lol oh boy

Hakeem is better..
Shaq is better..
David from that era is about 3rd correct?

I'll give it to him over Ewing but it is close. Ewing had to deal with MJ and the Bulls..

[dbreiden83080]

and you are saying he is not underrated ? :lol slightly better than Ewing ? :lol oh boy

BTW Ewing is very underrated historically.. Big Time..

[Brazil]

:lol not sure what people have with Ewing.. mostly overrated

David is head and shoulder above Ewing and no.. its not even close

[dbreiden83080]

:lol not sure what people have with Ewing.. mostly overrated

David is head and shoulder above Ewing and no.. its not even close

Who overrates Ewing LOL?? He was 37 with David at 24 on the ESPN List.. Did you watch him play? Gutting out injuries, with lousy talent and dealing with MJ and the Bulls was not fun.

"He made the Knicks title contenders despite never truly having a second superstar to play alongside him in his prime. With one of the best fallaway jumpers a big man has ever had, Ewing led the Knicks to 13 straight postseasons. The 7-footer just couldn't deliver a championship during an era ruled by Michael Jordan."

Spot on IMO..

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105681/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-40-11

[DAF86]

Manu Tony Jax were averaging that numbers shooting 40%. The only other player shooting above 50% was David.

And again except for the final, it is not like this run was a cakewalk with Suns, Lakers and Dallas.. all dog fights in 6 games. I don't think a 26 y/o David would have carried that run like Tim did.

I respect your pov but for me no way David>Tim. I agree David is massively underrated but Tim is the superior player.

I don't think that either, and I could even agree that Robinson might not win in 2003 as the top dog, but that was never what I argued, tbh. I said that if roles were reversed, Robinson would probably be ranked ahead of Duncan in the all-time list, not that Robinson would have won the same as Duncan as a top option.

Let's say Duncan gets to the Spurs in '89, to me there's no way he rings with all those subpar supporting casts, but just for the sake of argument, let's say he pulls a magic run and wins 1 ring without Robinson. Then David comes in '97. Let's say he can't duplicate Duncan's historic 2003 run and doesn't win that year, he would still win more rings in the following years as Manu and Tony get better. Which means Robinson wins more rings as the main option than Duncan. That would be enough for people to rank David over Tim in the all-time list.

[Arcadian]

Hand checking :lol one of the biggest myths in sports

Just to clarify, are you saying hand checking never happened (or was inconsequential), or that it still happens despite the rule change?

[dbreiden83080]

Just to clarify, are you saying hand checking never happened (or was inconsequential), or that it still happens despite the rule change?

Hand Checking for sure a thing in the 90's.. But Jordan for example really got a ton of whistles even for the era that was more physical. That's a bit of a myth with MJ regarding the physicality of the 90's.. Watching even some old games recently against the Knicks, and Pacers, he is barely touched and going to the FT line.. Superstar Treatment obviously always been a thing..

[Arcadian]

Tougher defensive era?

average ppg in 1995-96: 99.5
average ppg in 2019-20: 111.4

So yes, the 90s were a more defensive era and currently we're in a more offensive era. This isn't controversial.

[widowmaker]

Working on it, BRB

Let me know ASAP so i can get in touch with most peoples dads around here and let them know its best they get a blow job instead.

[lefty]

average ppg in 1995-96: 99.5
average ppg in 2019-20: 111.4

So yes, the 90s were a more defensive era and currently we're in a more offensive era. This isn't controversial.

Because the offense is also much better today
90s offense :lol

[lefty]

Let me know ASAP so i can get in touch with most peoples dads around here and let them know its best they get a blow job instead.

Hey if you want to swing that way, that’s your right , free country

[Kawhitstorm]

Another victim in the war of circumstances. Give Robinson the supporting cast other greats have had and he's easily regarded as a top 10 player of all-time right now.

Heck, I know I'm gonna stir the pot here but swap Robinson and Duncan's career timelines (Duncan debuts in '89 and Robinson debuts in '97. Everything else stays the same, supporting cast wise) and Robinson probably is rated higher than Timmy right now.

He had ROY Timmay in ‘98 but got locked up by Greg Foster

[spurs50_]

Because he was a professional and didn't act like a jackass.

[Brazil]

I don't think that either, and I could even agree that Robinson might not win in 2003 as the top dog, but that was never what I argued, tbh. I said that if roles were reversed, Robinson would probably be ranked ahead of Duncan in the all-time list, not that Robinson would have won the same as Duncan as a top option.

Let's say Duncan gets to the Spurs in '89, to me there's no way he rings with all those subpar supporting casts, but just for the sake of argument, let's say he pulls a magic run and wins 1 ring without Robinson. Then David comes in '97. Let's say he can't duplicate Duncan's historic 2003 run and doesn't win that year, he would still win more rings in the following years as Manu and Tony get better. Which means Robinson wins more rings as the main option than Duncan. That would be enough for people to rank David over Tim in the all-time list.

:tu your previous post had me confused.

[widowmaker]

Hey if you want to swing that way, that’s your right , free country

Na you got this pop those lips baby.

[Arcadian]

Because the offense is also much better today
90s offense :lol
By that logic, offense was at its best in the 1960s :lol

Rk Season Lg PTS
1 1961-62 NBA 118.8
2 1960-61 NBA 118.1
3 1966-67 NBA 117.4
4 1969-70 NBA 116.7
5 1967-68 NBA 116.6
6 1965-66 NBA 115.5
7 1962-63 NBA 115.3
8 1959-60 NBA 115.3
9 1970-71 NBA 112.4
10 1968-69 NBA 112.3
11 2019-20 NBA 111.4
12 2018-19 NBA 111.2
13 1963-64 NBA 111.0
14 1984-85 NBA 110.8
15 1964-65 NBA 110.6

The simplistic assumption that "more ppg = better offense" ignores other factors. The NBA has fluctuated between favoring offense and favoring defense throughout its history.

[Arcadian]

Hakeem is better..
Shaq is better..
David from that era is about 3rd correct?

I'll give it to him over Ewing but it is close. Ewing had to deal with MJ and the Bulls..

90s Robinson > 90s Shaq

Shaq didn't peak until 2000-01.

[Prime BEEF]

90s Robinson > 90s Shaq

Shaq didn't peak until 2000-01.
Agreed. And with the exception of one season DRob>Hakeem. DRob won the scoring title during hakeem’s dream season (pun intended) so it wasn’t like there was a big gap during that year.

[Thomas82]

Agreed. And with the exception of one season DRob>Hakeem. DRob won the scoring title during hakeem’s dream season (pun intended) so it wasn’t like there was a big gap during that year.

True, and if I remember correctly, The Admiral was the MVP runner up in that season as well.