It’s like we don’t even have a president...

[Spurtacular]

https://i.ibb.co/YpKk3vn/Screenshot-2020-06-01-11-56-09-1.png

:lol They might as well say Compliments Of The DNC on them.

[johnsmith]

Not sure how you lead in this situation. Just the White demographic alone is conflicted on what they believe and want

I agree Police brutality is a problem. I am not ready to go full blown systematic racism and we need a government overhaul. I think there is bias in our society and it is based on wealth.

I’m not sure either, but I’m not the President and it’s not my job. What I’m sure of is that what he’s been doing (tweeting about poll numbers and retweeting people that say we should shoot protestors) is not how to do it....at all.

[Thread]

I’m not sure either, but I’m not the President and it’s not my job. What I’m sure of is that what he’s been doing (tweeting about poll numbers and retweeting people that say we should shoot protestors) is not how to do it....at all.

He coulda resigned on Saturday past and it wouldn't be enough. The moment he made President you all took off after him like ugly on an ape.

Ya fucks.

[ChumpDumper]

What's really sad is that you feel like you need some kind of acknowledgement from the president that riots are happening.
You especially need him to say something tone deaf so that you can parody it for the next week.

You guys have spent almost four years saying you wish he'd shut up now you wish he would talk. Make up your fucking mind.Do you think Trump is doing a good job leading the US overall?

[baseline bum]

He coulda resigned on Saturday past and it wouldn't be enough. The moment he made President you all took off after him like ugly on an ape.

Ya fucks.

You haven't been in for dinner lately. You got at least three shit sandwiches sitting on the table.

[ElNono]

Not sure how you lead in this situation. Just the White demographic alone is conflicted on what they believe and want

I agree Police brutality is a problem. I am not ready to go full blown systematic racism and we need a government overhaul. I think there is bias in our society and it is based on wealth.

It's not really that difficult and he has 50+ years of history to look back and learn.

As Pop said, just coming out and saying "Black Lives Matter" and try to unify is a good start, but his pride won't allow him to do that. You'll get mad as fuck for sure.

[FrostKing]

It's not really that difficult and he has 50+ years of history to look back and learn.

As Pop said, just coming out and saying "Black Lives Matter" and try to unify is a good start, but his pride won't allow him to do that. You'll get mad as fuck for sure.
Why would he make this a racial issue?

That's racist.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol ST Trump supporters

[FrostKing]

:lol ST Trump supporters
I'm not a Trump supporter. Just really against american whiteboys

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not a Trump supporter. Just really against american whiteboysYou're not staying here so bye.

[vy65]

It's not really that difficult and he has 50+ years of history to look back and learn.

As Pop said, just coming out and saying "Black Lives Matter" and try to unify is a good start, but his pride won't allow him to do that. You'll get mad as fuck for sure.

He won't say that because that'd kill him with his base.

[KobesAchilles]

We stopped having a President the second he called the pandemic a leftist hoax. I’m all for parties talking shit about each other, it’s par for the course, but the second you don’t realize something serious and play it off as a hoax then that’s on you as a leader. Dude has done literally nothing but tweet and embarrass himself on live TV ever since. It’s easy being a President during good times, it’s hard as hell during bad times. I’ve never seen someone fail so spectacularly.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, all this stupid motherfucker had to do was change a few words in this address by a real leader.

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[ElNono]

Why would he make this a racial issue?

That's racist.

What do you think it's being protested? This is a racial issue.

[Reck]

Seriously, all this stupid motherfucker had to do was change a few words in this address by a real leader.

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The reception is probably real lousy in that bunker Trump's hiding in to be fair.

[ElNono]

Seriously, all this stupid motherfucker had to do was change a few words in this address by a real leader.

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Didn't GOAT POTUS called upon the insurrection act 3 days after the riots started there? Guess there wasn't a basement in the WH back then.

[ElNono]

He won't say that because that'd kill him with his base.

Well, there's your problem. Sometimes things aren't about him or his base. He's gone so far the deep end, that he can't possibly handle this.

[FrostKing]

What do you think it's being protested? This is a racial issue.
Damn. So race riot?

[vy65]

Well, there's your problem. Sometimes things aren't about him or his base. He's gone so far the deep end, that he can't possibly handle this.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VigilantLegalHind-small.gif

[ElNono]

Damn. So race riot?

Protests and Riots are two different things. There's thousands of people peacefully protesting police brutality. A minority of opportunists using that to loot.

[FrostKing]

Protests and Riots are two different things. There's thousands of people peacefully protesting police brutality. A minority of opportunists using that to loot.
I agree

I think if the protest dropped the race angle, even more support would come. Couple of my Trump friends (actually attend Trump marches) joined local protests yesterday

[ElNono]

I agree

I think if the protest dropped the race angle, even more support would come. Couple of my Trump friends (actually attend Trump marches) joined local protests yesterday but had All Lives Matters signs

The protests are not lacking support.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree

I think if the protest dropped the race angle, even more support would come. Couple of my Trump friends (actually attend Trump marches) joined local protests yesterday but had All Lives Matters signsSo they made it racial.

[FrostKing]

The protests are not lacking support.
I am not seeing many over 35 years old. Once you cut out the before mentioned anarchist, the support isn't all that significant in the grand scheme of American politics. Maybe in 25 years if all these youth remain like minded

I told my friends, if this were 2005 then I would be on that street too. So don't expect all that youth to not grow and change to some extent

[johnsmith]

He coulda resigned on Saturday past and it wouldn't be enough. The moment he made President you all took off after him like ugly on an ape.

Ya fucks.

I voted for him dummy.

[FrostKing]

So they made it racial.
His daughter is half asian. Not sure how she's gonna relate to black.

[johnsmith]

:lol ST Trump supporters

Dude, I don’t think a person with the volume of posts you have here should really be laughing at anyone.

[ChumpDumper]

His daughter is half asian. Not sure how she's gonna relate to black.So they made it racial.

[ElNono]

I am not seeing many over 35 years old.

You're not looking hard enough I suppose.

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, I don’t think a person with the volume of posts you have here should really be laughing at anyone.Sorry, you made a mistake voting for Trump. Everyone who voted for Trump made the same mistake. He's the worst president this country ever had. Post count smack won't change that. I guess I'll stop laughing at you now if it bothers you.

[johnsmith]

Sorry, you made a mistake voting for Trump. Everyone who voted for Trump made the same mistake. He's the worst president this country ever had. Post count smack won't change that. I guess I'll stop laughing at you now if it bothers you.

I don’t care what you do.....because I’m positive it will ONLY be done on spurstalk.com

[ChumpDumper]

I don’t care what you do.....because I’m positive it will ONLY be done on spurstalk.comST smack doesn't change your mistake.

[Reck]

Dude, I don’t think a person with the volume of posts you have here should really be laughing at anyone.

I doubt chump was talking about you.

He's talking to the Nathan, Darrin type supporters who shill for Trump at all costs. Even in this intance.

[DMC]

That's a false dilemma.

We need a President right now who is capable of positive and productive leadership. It's perfectly consistent to say that, while also saying the current POTUS is incapable of putting out fires because all he carries is a blow torch.

Consider for a moment that you're defending a President for keeping his mouth shut during mass riots in major cities, as though this is somehow a sign of leadership.

Why do you need that suddenly? You were trying to impeach the guy for the last 3 years. Now when shit hits the fan you need him?

[johnsmith]

ST smack doesn't change your mistake.

K....I’m gonna be done conversing with you....next time I want to chat, I will know where to find you....online, 100% of the time.

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt chump was talking about you.

He's talking to the Nathan, Darrin type supporters who shill for Trump at all costs. Even in this intance.I'm glad johnsmith kind of maybe realizes Trump might could be terrible if he squints at the TV the right way. Throwing his vote away is a vote for Trump though.

[ElNono]

I’m not sure about the other ten pages of this thread but I saw this and decided I’d post....I consider myself more of a conservative than liberal, but not by much. On social issues I’m left, conservative ones I’m right. I voted for Trump, I had plans to vote for him again. After all this shit though, he’s lost me. I can’t vote for Biden but I won’t support Trump any longer. Basically I plan on throwing away my vote....he’s been way to big a clown during all this. At some point you have to swallow your pride and try to lead and he doesn’t seem to want to do anything but play to his extreme right base. I don’t get it and I’m terribly disappointed.

sup js... this is a solid read on the situation.

There's nothing much to get. He's narcissistic, he's all about himself. He doesn't know how to lead.

[ChumpDumper]

K....I’m gonna be done conversing with you...You never started. I understand being defensive after the guy you voted for failed so miserably. It reflects poorly on you. Your vote mattered.

[Trainwreck2100]

sup js... this is a solid read on the situation.

There's nothing much to get. He's narcissistic, he's all about himself. He doesn't know how to lead.

He also didn't know how the government, healthcare or grocery shopping worked before he got elected.

[DMC]

I'm glad johnsmith kind of maybe realizes Trump might could be terrible if he squints at the TV the right way. Throwing his vote away is a vote for Trump though.
That's not your business.

[FrostKing]

You never started. I understand being defensive after the guy you voted for failed so miserably. It reflects poorly on you. Your vote mattered.
He will be re-elected. Democrats will push the black power propaganda all summer driving non-blacks away

[ChumpDumper]

That's not your business.I can comment on it as he brought it up.

You too, though. Sorry you went all in on Trump right before he failed in multiple crises. You look pretty foolish and I understand why you would want to shut down any conversation about your personal views now.

[Spurminator]

Why do you need that suddenly? You were trying to impeach the guy for the last 3 years. Now when shit hits the fan you need him?

"You wanted to trade Rasho Nesterovich for years, but suddenly you need him to play better at Center?"

You're either being deliberately obtuse, or you're a fucking idiot. This isn't a difficult concept.

[ChumpDumper]

He will be re-elected.I agree. He plays on fears of people like you very effectively.

[Trainwreck2100]

I’m not sure about the other ten pages of this thread but I saw this and decided I’d post....I consider myself more of a conservative than liberal, but not by much. On social issues I’m left, conservative ones I’m right. I voted for Trump, I had plans to vote for him again. After all this shit though, he’s lost me. I can’t vote for Biden but I won’t support Trump any longer. Basically I plan on throwing away my vote....he’s been way to big a clown during all this. At some point you have to swallow your pride and try to lead and he doesn’t seem to want to do anything but play to his extreme right base. I don’t get it and I’m terribly disappointed.

Lot of people voted for Trump cause he sold a bill of goods, it happens. We'll see if you stick to it, or pull a Cosmic Cowboy though. The republican money will go hard in an us vs them narrative these next few months

[ChumpDumper]

Lot of people voted for Trump cause he sold a bill of goods, it happens. We'll see if you stick to it, or pull a Cosmic Cowboy though. The republican money will go hard in an us vs them narrative these next few monthsAll law and order, all the time. Everything will be fine if we just give Daddy Trump more power than he had when he failed.

[ChumpDumper]

Lot of people voted for Trump cause he sold a bill of goods, it happens. We'll see if you stick to it, or pull a Cosmic Cowboy though. The republican money will go hard in an us vs them narrative these next few monthsAll law and order, all the time. Everything will be fine if we just give Daddy Trump more power than he had when he failed.

[DMX7]

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We’re starting to see some hearts and minds changing.

Ann Coulter literally wrote a book about her love for Trump and now she isn’t holding back.

[Thread]

You haven't been in for dinner lately. You got at least three shit sandwiches sitting on the table.

& they were selling your shit.

You're short one. ha, ha.

[BSfromTX]

Protests and Riots are two different things. There's thousands of people peacefully protesting police brutality. A minority of opportunists using that to loot.


Not to mention the looting will tend to get all the coverage with very little focus on the peaceful gatherings or meaningful interviews with civilized people trying to make their statement.

[spurraider21]

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We’re starting to see some hearts and minds changing.

Ann Coulter literally wrote a book about her love for Trump and now she isn’t holding back.
for all the wrong reasons. shes mad at trump because he hasnt been mean enough to mexicans tbh

[BSfromTX]

You never started. I understand being defensive after the guy you voted for failed so miserably. It reflects poorly on you. Your vote mattered.


Not convinced that votes matter. Even if elections were fair and administered correctly, you are making the assumption that one of the two candidates will actually stand up for what is right in this country.

[ChumpDumper]

Not convinced that votes matter. Even if elections were fair and administered correctly, you are making the assumption that one of the two candidates will actually stand up for what is right in this country.I guess. I can't think of any serious politician that would've failed harder than Trump has this year.

[DMX7]

News alert. Trump is coming out of the bunker to speak.

[vy65]

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[ElNono]

Not to mention the looting will tend to get all the coverage with very little focus on the peaceful gatherings or meaningful interviews with civilized people trying to make their statement.

true, but that doesn't mean the peaceful gatherings are not happening.

[Joseph Kony]

This piece of shit is done :lol his re-election is swirling the drain and sleepy Joe is going to win in overwhelming fashion in November :lol

[DMX7]

Trump in the Trump Bunker is such a perfect meme and metaphor for this event.

[Trainwreck2100]

This piece of shit is done :lol his re-election is swirling the drain and sleepy Joe is going to win in overwhelming fashion in November :lol

Trump HAD to get the blacks to stay home like he did in 16, and instead he fucking galvanized them pandering to his base.

[Spurminator]

for all the wrong reasons. shes mad at trump because he hasnt been mean enough to mexicans tbh

Yeah, and her anger now is that he hasn't come out and declared all out war on protesters.

[baseline bum]

& they were selling your shit.

You're short one. ha, ha.

And you're up 106k now

[ChumpDumper]

American carnage address.

[clambake]

Lol he said a crime against god.

You cult members are some sick fucks. Some are super fat cheap sick fucks.

[ChumpDumper]

Tear gassing a completely peaceful protest so Dennison can come out of the bunker for three minutes.

[spurraider21]

first couple minutes of his speech were actually about as good as i could expect, but then the last 90% was about sending down military forces to dominate the streets. now i see why we talk about needing 2nd amendment rights to fight back against government tyranny

[spurraider21]

:lmao he cited to the guy getting beat up in dallas without bringing up the fact that he ran into the a crowd with a machete

[ElNono]

first couple minutes of his speech were actually about as good as i could expect, but then the last 90% was about sending down military forces to dominate the streets. now i see why we talk about needing 2nd amendment rights to fight back against government tyranny

yup, the first ~2 mins of the script hit all the right tones... once he started adlibbing, it went to shit

[ChumpDumper]

first couple minutes of his speech were actually about as good as i could expect, but then the last 90% was about sending down military forces to dominate the streets. now i see why we talk about needing 2nd amendment rights to fight back against government tyrannyYep, All the protesters should have AR-15s for their own safety. Open carry.

[Warlord23]

Trump saying "we can't allow peaceful protestors to be drowned out" just as military police clear out a peaceful protest with tear gas just so he can do a photo-op at a church - this is what you'd expect from some 3rd world dictatorship

[spurraider21]

Yep, All the protesters should have AR-15s for their own safety. Open carry.
was there any point to him randomly mentioning 2nd amendment rights other than dog-whistling?

[ChumpDumper]

was there any point to him randomly mentioning 2nd amendment rights other than dog-whistling?Not that I could tell.

:lmao waving a bible in front of St. John's.

[ElNono]

was there any point to him randomly mentioning 2nd amendment rights other than dog-whistling?

He needs all the help he can get, tbh

[ElNono]

So I guess it's Martial Law if the National Guard can't get shit under control? Is that what this comes down to?

[Winehole23]

Yeah, and her anger now is that he hasn't come out and declared all out war on protesters.Give him a few more days, Trump and the GOP have been calling protesters insurrectionists all weekend.

[Reck]

Not that I could tell.

:lmao waving a bible in front of St. John's.

Pandering to the african american church going folks? Well it just badly backfired.

I love trump in a way. He's our weapon. Thanks faggot

[spurraider21]

So I guess it's Martial Law if the National Guard can't get shit under control? Is that what this comes down to?
the look on conservative faces when they have to decide...

https://i.imgflip.com/43n22s.jpg

[Winehole23]

If Trump wants to send US troops to attack US people, there's not very much that prevents him from doing it.

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1266752508577435649?s=19

[ElNono]

If Trump wants to send US troops to attack US people, there's not very much that prevents him from doing it.

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1266752508577435649?s=19

Should also be noted that the Insurrection Act was used before during the LA Riots.

[ChumpDumper]

Should also be noted that the Insurrection Act was used before during the LA Riots.True but the commander kept the troops from actual law enforcement activities. My understanding is that Posse Comitatis was the rationale but that's not much of a barrier if the current CoC wants them used that way.

[Thread]

And you're up 106k now

They'd strung your fuckin' ropes. It was over, over-over.

Mrs. Duncan did ya not only dirt, but, the worst kind of dirt,,,dirty-dirt.

That's the kind of shit that happens to other teams and cities. But, then you got porked again. Had the best of the best and let him get away and cross the Canadian border.

ha, ha.

[spurraider21]

True but the commander kept the troops from actual law enforcement activities. My understanding is that Posse Comitatis was the rationale but that's not much of a barrier if the current CoC wants them used that way.
come to think if it, didnt Q predict Martial Law?

:wow hillary about to get arrested and tried in military tribunal

[ElNono]

come to think if it, didnt Q predict Martial Law?

:wow hillary about to get arrested and tried in military tribunal

Let's ask Undercover Huber and Pepe the Frog

[ChumpDumper]

come to think if it, didnt Q predict Martial Law?

:wow hillary about to get arrested and tried in military tribunal
IT'S HAPPENING YO

[baseline bum]

They'd strung your fuckin' ropes. It was over, over-over.

Mrs. Duncan did ya not only dirt, but, the worst kind of dirt,,,dirty-dirt.

That's the kind of shit that happens to other teams and cities. But, then you got porked again. Had the best of the best and let him get away and cross the Canadian border.

ha, ha.

Just come get dinner cubby

[vy65]

This fucking faggot avoids coordinating a national response to the coronavirus but is ready to call in the military because of some protests

[boutons_deux]

This fucking faggot avoids coordinating a national response to the coronavirus but is ready to call in the military because of some protests

yep, doesn't want to crater the stock market which he thinks would hurt his campaign so 80K+ deaths, but immediately "punches back", even lethally, at any opposition

[vy65]

Also, the point of protecting the right to bear arms was so that state militias could resist the very thing DJT is ordering from the bunker

[vy65]

Also, the point of protecting the right to bear arms was so that state militias could resist the very thing DJT is ordering from the bunker

[spurraider21]

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[DMX7]

It's insane but we're pretty close to marshal law in DC.

[tholdren]

It's insane but we're pretty close to marshal law in DC.

And

[DMC]

It's insane but we're pretty close to marshal law in DC.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/da/24/9fda24a2ff98598b7356fa7e43843369.jpg

[DMC]

Also, the point of protecting the right to bear arms was so that state militias could resist the very thing DJT is ordering from the bunker

But the founding fathers had no idea about AR-15s.

[SnakeBoy]

Also, the point of protecting the right to bear arms was so that state militias could resist the very thing DJT is ordering from the bunker

lol the point of the 2nd amendment was so that the militia could be called to fight on behalf of the govt not against it. This was the founding fathers solution to having a large standing army, the thing they distrusted the most.

[vy65]

lol the point of the 2nd amendment was so that the militia could be called to fight on behalf of the govt not against it. This was the founding fathers solution to having a large standing army, the thing they distrusted the most.

It also meant physical protection from government overreach.

"The idea of a state militia would also be attractive because it serves as a deterrent against national tyranny," says Rakove. "At the time, if government forces tried to take over land or overstep their boundaries, you'd have an institution in place -- the militia -- that would
outnumber any army."

https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_11.pdf

:lmao

[vy65]

Team Bunker Prez jumping in to watch the wave of semen coming for their dear leader

[ElNono]

lol the point of the 2nd amendment was so that the militia could be called to fight on behalf of the govt not against it. This was the founding fathers solution to having a large standing army, the thing they distrusted the most.

The 2nd Amendment says whatever people want it to say. It's sorta like the Bible at this point.

[vy65]

Hamilton wrote that the militia would be composed of soldiers who would not just protect and serve their country but ensure that it does not become corrupt. He also mentioned in his essay that some people see this idea as unrealistic. "There is something so far-fetched and so extravagant in the idea of danger to liberty from the militia, that one is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or with raillery ... Where, in the name of common-sense, are our fears to end if we may not trust our sons, our brothers, our neighbors, our fellow citizens?"(James Madison, John Jay, The Federalist, books.google.com).[1] Hamilton argues to critics who doubt that the militia would be trusted that they forget militia is made up of the people the average citizen would know and trust.

[vy65]

The 2nd Amendment says whatever people want it to say. It's sorta like the Bible at this point.

I mean, kinda. The second amendment is more of a vestige of the federalist system we had from before the civil war, where the governmental model emphasized states rights as a bulwark against federal tyranny. It’s a true federalist institution, like the state courts (as opposed to the federal ones).

Hart and Wechsler wrote the treatise on federal courts. They emphasized state institutions as a bulwark against federal tyranny. The state militia falls into that same general bucket.

[ElNono]

I mean, kinda. The second amendment is more of a vestige of the federalist system we had from before the civil war, where the governmental model emphasized states rights as a bulwark against federal tyranny. It’s a true federalist institution, like the state courts (as opposed to the federal ones).

Hart and Wechsler wrote the treatise on federal courts. They emphasized state institutions as a bulwark against federal tyranny. The state militia falls into that same general bucket.

No I mean, the vox populi interpretation. Didn't mean to imply that people that actually studied the background and long history of it don't know.

[Thread]

Just come get dinner cubby

They were selling your shit.
You had the fuckin' thing knocked and somehow left Florida without it.

Duncan shit the bed.

[baseline bum]

They were selling your shit.
You had the fuckin' thing knocked and somehow left Florida without it.

Duncan shit the bed.

It was 15 going on 0 and now it's 107k. Trump shit the bed.

[clambake]

It was 15 going on 0 and now it's 107k. Trump shit the bed.

Don’t you worry about it. Dale scarfs all that shit....in the bed.

[Thread]

It was 15 going on 0 and now it's 107k. Trump shit the bed.

And they were selling your shit.

[DMX7]

It was 15 going on 0 and now it's 107k. Trump shit the bed.

That should be a campaign advert. He absolutely failed us on this.

[johnsmith]

You never started. I understand being defensive after the guy you voted for failed so miserably. It reflects poorly on you. Your vote mattered.

Nah....it only reflects poorly on me to people like you. Internet warriors who spend ALL their time online.

[BSfromTX]

The 2nd Amendment says whatever people want it to say. It's sorta like the Bible at this point.

2nd Amendment was to protect from government. It really is not that complicated

[ElNono]

2nd Amendment was to protect from government. It really is not that complicated

Clearly the SCOTUS also thought it covered personal defense.

But, again, I was referring to the public in general, what they think it was about and what rights it covers, etc.

[DMX7]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/02/06/29109660-0-image-a-108_1591074183102.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Nah....it only reflects poorly on me to people like you. Internet warriors who spend ALL their time online.As long as you take no responsibility, everything is fine.

[johnsmith]

As long as you take no responsibility, everything is fine.

Fair enough, I will take my share....1 out of a hair over 4 million of the votes trump got in Texas. That’s all me. Now that it’s done, let’s discuss the life you’ve carved out for yourself online over the past 15 years or so....LOL!

[ChumpDumper]

Fair enough, I will take my share....1 out of a hair over 4 million of the votes trump got in Texas. That’s all me. Now that it’s done, let’s discuss the life you’ve carved out for yourself online over the past 15 years or so....LOL!In the political forum? I guess it's all politics nowadays....LOL!

[Will Hunting]

Fair enough, I will take my share....1 out of a hair over 4 million of the votes trump got in Texas. That’s all me. Now that it’s done, let’s discuss the life you’ve carved out for yourself online over the past 15 years or so....LOL!
Not trying to argue here and just asking an honest question, why wouldn’t you support Biden if you’re liberal on social issues but conservative on economic issues? That’s more or less how Biden shakes out ideologically. It’s the reason progressives like me don’t like him but theoretically moderate Republicans who hate Trump should like him.

[johnsmith]

Not trying to argue here and just asking an honest question, why wouldn’t you support Biden if you’re liberal on social issues but conservative on economic issues? That’s more or less how Biden shakes out ideologically. It’s the reason progressives like me don’t like him but theoretically moderate Republicans who hate Trump should like him.

For one, I just can’t get behind a Democrat, strictly from a fiscal policy point of view. The monetary conservative values (in theory) are just too important to me. Second, and this is going to sound incredibly hypocritical here with hindsight and all, but I don’t believe Biden has the mental endurance to be President. I believe he’s damn near senile (again, I realize the hypocritical nature of this), and I don’t want to end up with someone like Harris as the President if he does lose his mind.

[johnsmith]

Not trying to argue here and just asking an honest question, why wouldn’t you support Biden if you’re liberal on social issues but conservative on economic issues? That’s more or less how Biden shakes out ideologically. It’s the reason progressives like me don’t like him but theoretically moderate Republicans who hate Trump should like him.


Oh, and also I just can’t stand overly liberal internet and news media folks. It makes me want to vote against them for spite.

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, Trump's going to be reelected.

[Spurminator]

Oh, and also I just can’t stand overly liberal internet and news media folks. It makes me want to vote against them for spite.

My guess is this is actually reason #1 for most otherwise rational Republicans, and it boggles the mind given the current state of conservative media.

But voting for neither is a step in the right direction.

[johnsmith]

My guess is this is actually reason #1 for most otherwise rational Republicans, and it boggles the mind given the current state of conservative media.

But voting for neither is a step in the right direction.

I 100% agree. It doesn’t make much rational sense, I realize that, but it’s how I feel. Like I said at the beginning of all this though, I just can’t vote for a dude that talks about television ratings on twitter while everything is on fire.

[Will Hunting]

For one, I just can’t get behind a Democrat, strictly from a fiscal policy point of view. The monetary conservative values (in theory) are just too important to me. Second, and this is going to sound incredibly hypocritical here with hindsight and all, but I don’t believe Biden has the mental endurance to be President. I believe he’s damn near senile (again, I realize the hypocritical nature of this), and I don’t want to end up with someone like Harris as the President if he does lose his mind.
From a fiscal point of view, Democrats have been much better than Republicans in recent history. Slick Willy left office with a national surplus and GWB quickly turned it into record deficits with tax cuts for the rich and trillion dollar wars. Obama started off spending like crazy to get us out of a recession but was shrinking the deficit when he left office - then Trump came in and blew it all up with more rich people tax cuts.

I know that I’m not changing your mind in a message board but just pointing that out. The point about Biden being a senile old man is definitely valid but the way I see it is Biden will be surrounded by qualified cabinet members and advisors who’ll actually be making the decisions vs Trump who’s surrounded by his dimwit daughter and Jared Cuckner.

[Spurminator]

I 100% agree. It doesn’t make much rational sense, I realize that, but it’s how I feel.

If it makes any difference, consider how much more annoying liberal media is during a Republican presidency vs. a Democrat Presidency. :lol

[Will Hunting]

My guess is this is actually reason #1 for most otherwise rational Republicans, and it boggles the mind given the current state of conservative media.

But voting for neither is a step in the right direction.
Yeah I understand (but don’t agree with) voting for neither as a way to “trigger da libruhls!” since that’s basically an act of protest.

Voting for the candidate who’s ideology goes directly against what’s in your best interests just because it’s funny to see Rachel Madow get angry is baffling to me though.

[spurraider21]

From a fiscal point of view, Democrats have been much better than Republicans in recent history. Slick Willy left office with a national surplus and GWB quickly turned it into record deficits with tax cuts for the rich and trillion dollar wars. Obama started off spending like crazy to get us out of a recession but was shrinking the deficit when he left office - then Trump came in and blew it all up with more rich people tax cuts.

I know that I’m not changing your mind in a message board but just pointing that out. The point about Biden being a senile old man is definitely valid but the way I see it is Biden will be surrounded by qualified cabinet members and advisors who’ll actually be making the decisions vs Trump who’s surrounded by his dimwit daughter and Jared Cuckner.
wasnt that really a product of Gingrich more than Clinton?

[Will Hunting]

wasnt that really a product of Gingrich more than Clinton?
If Gingrich had his way taxes on the rich would have been lower, Clinton getting the top marginal rate increases to 39% during his presidency was a huge part of it.

[johnsmith]

From a fiscal point of view, Democrats have been much better than Republicans in recent history. Slick Willy left office with a national surplus and GWB quickly turned it into record deficits with tax cuts for the rich and trillion dollar wars. Obama started off spending like crazy to get us out of a recession but was shrinking the deficit when he left office - then Trump car in and blew it all up with more rich people tax cuts.

I know that I’m not changing your mind in a message board but just pointing that out. The point about Biden being a senile old man is definitely valid but the way I see it is Biden will be surrounded by qualified cabinet members and advisors who’ll actually be making the decisions vs Trump who’s surrounded by his dimwit daughter and Jared Cuckner.

I’m not sure how to put this other than saying, your posts and opinions aren’t wasted on me. When delivered in a normal tone (like yours above) and not some arrogant, slanted view the way the far left or far right do, I’m absolutely down for listening and considering the point.

I will also say that my political leanings are somewhat based on anecdotal information. For instance, I graduated college right after 9/11, found a job, eventually found a career, everything was pointed in a positive direction. When Obama was in office, Obamacare was passed and for the very first time in my life, money was suddenly taken from me in the ways of premium increases. I know that Republicans had a large hand in that occurring but the fact is, it was because Obama pushed that particular agenda. Prior to that, my disdain towards liberals was mostly in thanks to being annoyed by college professors, reading the internet and watching the news. Suddenly I was upset and it felt like tangible frustration. I was trying to get ahead and someone made it harder.

None of this is to say I’m not willing to listen....just explaining why I think the way I do. Also my dad was very successful and is ultra conservative so I grew up with it. Not saying I’m right, just saying why.

[baseline bum]

If it makes any difference, consider how much more annoying liberal media is during a Republican presidency vs. a Democrat Presidency. :lol

If he actually means liberal media like say Kyle Kulinski, I imagine he'll hear a ton of anger against a President Biden.

[ChumpDumper]

The President of the United States just gassed a peaceful protest so he could walk across the street they were on to have his picture taken and his supporters are completely fine with it.

He's going to be reelected.

[johnsmith]

If it makes any difference, consider how much more annoying liberal media is during a Republican presidency vs. a Democrat Presidency. :lol

Lol....good point!

[spurraider21]

could also just not tune into liberal commentators, or whatever news channel you didnt like to begin with

[Spurminator]

If he actually means liberal media like say Kyle Kulinski, I imagine he'll hear a ton of anger against a President Biden.

For sure, same with Glenn Greenwald. I don't think those are the types he's talking about though.

In all likelihood, I'd find most liberal pundits as annoying as conservatives do, I just choose to avoid them. Same with the identity-obsessed types who are constantly debating gender pronouns.

[baseline bum]

The President of the United States just gassed a peaceful protest so he could walk across the street they were on to have his picture taken and his supporters are completely fine with it.

He's going to be reelected.

I would have thought so until early March, but you think it's a foregone conclusion in a nation with 108k dead from a virus Trump ignored and a ~25% unemployment rate? Do you believe this was actually a strong economy prior to mid March when wages have been nearly flat for decades but necessities like housing, healthcare, and education have had costs spiraling out of control? I think it looks way more like a house of cards getting toppled by a system shock than just a system shock just putting a pause on the economy. The fact that middle class people with "good government jobs" were in food lines when Trump shut the government down for a month tells me this was never a strong economy, at least for the people.

[johnsmith]

Feel like I should also clarify, I don’t trust any of our “leaders” in general and feel that most only have their interest in mind.

[Will Hunting]

I’m not sure how to put this other than saying, your posts and opinions aren’t wasted on me. When delivered in a normal tone (like yours above) and not some arrogant, slanted view the way the far left or far right do, I’m absolutely down for listening and considering the point.

I will also say that my political leanings are somewhat based on anecdotal information. For instance, I graduated college right after 9/11, found a job, eventually found a career, everything was pointed in a positive direction. When Obama was in office, Obamacare was passed and for the very first time in my life, money was suddenly taken from me in the ways of premium increases. I know that Republicans had a large hand in that occurring but the fact is, it was because Obama pushed that particular agenda. Prior to that, my disdain towards liberals was mostly in thanks to being annoyed by college professors, reading the internet and watching the news. Suddenly I was upset and it felt like tangible frustration. I was trying to get ahead and someone made it harder.

None of this is to say I’m not willing to listen....just explaining why I think the way I do. Also my dad was very successful and is ultra conservative so I grew up with it. Not saying I’m right, just saying why.
Obamacare was an imperfect shit sandwich, no question about it. My only defense is that Obama/Pelosi got a plan with a public option through the house that wouldn’t have been the source of corporate welfare for insurance companies that Obamacare ended up being, but once it got to the senate McConnell and Hairy Reid chopped it up and turned it into Bob Dole’s private healthcare plan which is ultimately what Obamacare became.

More recently there was a proposal in congress that people laid off due ton COVID could temporarily go in Medicare but people from both parties were against it and instead suggested the government pay COBRA premiums for people unemployed due to COVID. The Medicare option would have been much better and cheaper, the only beneficiaries of the COBRA subsidy are health insurance companies :lol, there’s basically bipartisan corruption on healthcare in this country.

[Will Hunting]

The President of the United States just gassed a peaceful protest so he could walk across the street they were on to have his picture taken and his supporters are completely fine with it.

He's going to be reelected.
You’d like to think at least a few of the cops throwing tear gas at peaceful protestors yesterday was saying to himself “What the fuck are we doing out here” but yeah 40% of this country doesn’t seem to give a shit that it happened.

[DMC]

could also just not tune into liberal commentators, or whatever news channel you didnt like to begin with

OK thanks! Didn't know.

[DMC]

Obamacare was an imperfect shit sandwich, no question about it. My only defense is that Obama/Pelosi got a plan with a public option through the house that wouldn’t have been the source of corporate welfare for insurance companies that Obamacare ended up being, but once it got to the senate McConnell and Hairy Reid chopped it up and turned it into Bob Dole’s private healthcare plan which is ultimately what Obamacare became.

More recently there was a proposal in congress that people laid off due ton COVID could temporarily go in Medicare but people from both parties were against it and instead suggested the government pay COBRA premiums for people unemployed due to COVID. The Medicare option would have been much better and cheaper, the only beneficiaries of the COBRA subsidy are health insurance companies :lol, there’s basically bipartisan corruption on healthcare in this country.

Due to bipartisan stock ownership in those companies.

[ChumpDumper]

I would have thought so until early March, but you think it's a foregone conclusion in a nation with 108k dead from a virus Trump ignored and a ~25% unemployment rate? Do you believe this was actually a strong economy prior to mid March when wages have been nearly flat for decades but necessities like housing, healthcare, and education have had costs spiraling out of control? I think it looks way more like a house of cards getting toppled by a system shock than just a system shock just putting a pause on the economy. The fact that middle class people with "good government jobs" were in food lines when Trump shut the government down for a month tells me this was never a strong economy, at least for the people.I hope you're right. The evidence to the contrary is on this board. Look at all the backflips Trump supporters are doing to make themselves believe voting for Trump again is a good idea. All your arguments are well taken and logical. These guys are simply nurturing their emotions that will lead them to voting for Trump. It's harder work than any campaign worker could accomplish.

[ChumpDumper]

You’d like to think at least a few of the cops throwing tear gas at peaceful protestors yesterday was saying to himself “What the fuck are we doing out here” but yeah 40% of this country doesn’t seem to give a shit that it happened.It's completely insane but his supporters are just shrugging it off and activating their whatabout machines.

[Will Hunting]

I would have thought so until early March, but you think it's a foregone conclusion in a nation with 108k dead from a virus Trump ignored and a ~25% unemployment rate? Do you believe this was actually a strong economy prior to mid March when wages have been nearly flat for decades but necessities like housing, healthcare, and education have had costs spiraling out of control? I think it looks way more like a house of cards getting toppled by a system shock than just a system shock just putting a pause on the economy. The fact that middle class people with "good government jobs" were in food lines when Trump shut the government down for a month tells me this was never a strong economy, at least for the people.
A lot of the companies with PPP loans are going to have their moratorium on layoffs lifted this month, it’ll be interesting to see what happens to Trump’s approval rating then. If the unemployment rate gets up to 30% (and it very well might) I don’t think he’ll get re-elected.

Its going to get a lot uglier between now and November. Landlords will start evicting residents en mass once the courts open back up and mortgage holders will start foreclosure proceedings. At some point the rabid Trump supporters who get put out on their ass due to the COVID pandemic won’t like him anymore.

[Will Hunting]

Due to bipartisan stock ownership in those companies.
More like bipartisan lobbying and campaign financing from those companies.

[DMC]

More like bipartisan lobbying and campaign financing from those companies.

Both. Money is money.

[baseline bum]

It's completely insane but his supporters are just shrugging it off and activating their whatabout machines.

He could literally shoot someone in Times Square and not lose his 30%. Not sure why you found that so surprising.

[boutons_deux]

Biden is already out-Presidenting PVL so-called President Trash

[tholdren]

I hope you're right. The evidence to the contrary is on this board. Look at all the backflips Trump supporters are doing to make themselves believe voting for Trump again is a good idea. All your arguments are well taken and logical. These guys are simply nurturing their emotions that will lead them to voting for Trump. It's harder work than any campaign worker could accomplish.

trump has hobbit swords he's got your vote

[ChumpDumper]

He could literally shoot someone in Times Square and not lose his 30%. Not sure why you found that so surprising.Talking about his supporters here. Not a peep from them about it -- even the ones "considering other choices."

[tholdren]

Talking about his supporters here. Not a peep from them about it -- even the ones "considering other choices."

There's only one candidate with hobbit swords

[DMC]

Talking about his supporters here. Not a peep from them about it -- even the ones "considering other choices."

Because it's not your business. Why can't you wrap your head around that?

[ChumpDumper]

Because it's not your business. Why can't you wrap your head around that?You express your opinion on all manner of issues and people here. You said you supported Trump and thought he did a good job with the pandemic. Now you have selected a set of your opinions about or related to Trump that must never be discussed ever. You're free to say you just don't want to talk about it, that's fine and something I've come to expect from a lot of people here who get uncomfortable for whatever reason. johnsmith wasn't afraid to state why he's probably still going to vote for Trump while saying all the things he doesn't like about him. It wasn't difficult for him.

[tholdren]

You express your opinion on all manner of issues and people here. You said you supported Trump and thought he did a good job with the pandemic. Now you have selected a set of your opinions about or related to Trump that must never be discussed ever. You're free to say you just don't want to talk about it, that's fine and something I've come to expect from a lot of people here who get uncomfortable for whatever reason. johnsmith wasn't afraid to state why he's probably still going to vote for Trump while saying all the things he doesn't like about him. It wasn't difficult for him.

Lol wrong

[DMC]

You express your opinion on all manner of issues and people here. You said you supported Trump and thought he did a good job with the pandemic. Now you have selected a set of your opinions about or related to Trump that must never be discussed ever. You're free to say you just don't want to talk about it, that's fine and something I've come to expect from a lot of people here who get uncomfortable for whatever reason. johnsmith wasn't afraid to state why he's probably still going to vote for Trump while saying all the things he doesn't like about him. It wasn't difficult for him.

More narrative commandeering and flat out lying from you. I said it's not your business, but you're certainly free to discuss it. Just don't expect to get anything back.

:lol you're the Gladys Kravitz of the ST political forum.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/cdda7cf5f89c898c10204b89c7867073/tenor.gif

Now Chumpbot.exe will call me Gladys Kravitz.

[ChumpDumper]

More narrative commandeering and flat out lying from you. I said it's not your business, but you're certainly free to discuss it. Just don't expect to get anything back. I never expect anything but fence sitting and personal attacks from you when you're uncomfortable. It's OK that you're uncomfortable. It's actually a faintly positive sign.

[tholdren]

I never expect anything but fence sitting and personal attacks from you when you're uncomfortable.

captain fence sitter calls someone s fence sitter lol

[DMC]

I never expect anything but fence sitting and personal attacks from you when you're uncomfortable. It's OK that you're uncomfortable. It's actually a faintly positive sign.

Ok Gladys, monitoring and offering assessments of people you never met.

[baseline bum]

https://i.ibb.co/19VYYq7/gop.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Ok Gladys, monitoring and offering assessments of people you never met.That's why your selective reluctance is so amusing, princess.

[DMC]

That's why your selective reluctance is so amusing, princess.

"I must know your inner thoughts!"

:lol Gladys

[ChumpDumper]

"I must know your inner thoughts!"

:lol Gladys"I must protect my inner thoughts about Trump!"

:lol princess

[DMC]

"I must protect my inner thoughts about Trump!"

:lol princess

:lol Gladys the thought police

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Gladys the thought police:lol Princess the inner thought guard

[spurraider21]

Talking about his supporters here. Not a peep from them about it -- even the ones "considering other choices."
they're all considering other choices until those become actual choices (biden) and then suddenly nope

[DMX7]

This explains a lot about his response, doesn’t it?

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[ezau]

Trump is a businessman. Always will be.

[boutons_deux]

Trump is a businessman. Always will be.

a failed businessman who has been cheating, self-dealing, defrauding, lying before the WH as much as he does in the WH.

[ezau]

a failed businessman who has been cheating, self-dealing, defrauding, lying before the WH as much as he does in the WH.

Well, if winning the US Presidency is considered 'failing', count me the fuck in, son. :lol

[baseline bum]

Trump is a businessman. Always will be.

You mean a fucking conman.

[Isitjustme?]

People have memory-holed 2008-2016.

Quite the opposite actually.

[boutons_deux]

Well, if winning the US Presidency is considered 'failing', count me the fuck in, son. :lol

he didn't win, Hillary lost with huge assistance from Pootin and Comey, and the fucked up Constitution and fucked up SCOTUS

[baseline bum]

People have memory-holed 2008-2016.

Ah the good old days when tan suits and dijon mustard on burgers were presidential scandals.

[rmt]

he didn't win, Hillary lost with huge assistance from Pootin and Comey, and the fucked up Constitution and fucked up SCOTUS

People still can't accept this. Those were the rules going in and everyone knew them.

[Will Hunting]

Ah the good old days when tan suits and dijon mustard on burgers were presidential scandals.
:lol no kidding, I’ll take 4 people dying in an embassy halfway around the world due to alleged negligence as the biggest scandal over ignoring a virus that kills 108,000 Americans and craters the economy because of a negligent administration.

[RandomGuy]

Trump is a shitty businessman. Always will be.

FIFY

[RandomGuy]

:lol no kidding, I’ll take 4 people dying in an embassy halfway around the world due to alleged negligence as the biggest scandal over ignoring a virus that kills 108,000 Americans and craters the economy because of a negligent administration.

... extorting allies using aid money to benefit his re-election campaign, giving his son in law charge of anything and everything, using executive orders to benefit his businesses, asking for and getting outright bribes through his businesses...

[RandomGuy]

Ah the good old days when tan suits and dijon mustard on burgers were presidential scandals.

That is how hard the right had to work at creating phony outrage.

Even Obama's fuckups look like child's play compared to the never-ending shitstorm of the last 3 years.

[David Hogg]

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1268191470042791941?s=21

[David Hogg]

https://twitter.com/nerdybyptw/status/1267849047416569858?s=21

[RandomGuy]

People still can't accept this. Those were the rules going in and everyone knew them.

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/10/bit-1.png?w=595

Everyone who was paying attention knew Trump was a fuck-up and woudl be a disaster. No one really knew how bad it would get.

“I think he’s a kook,” Graham said in February 2016. “I think he’s crazy. I think he’s unfit for office

[baseline bum]

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/10/bit-1.png?w=595

Everyone who was paying attention knew Trump was a fuck-up and woudl be a disaster. No one really knew how bad it would get.

“I think he’s a kook,” Graham said in February 2016. “I think he’s crazy. I think he’s unfit for office

Trump 2017-2019 was exactly what I expected him to be, a hard right fascist and lazy piece of shit who handed the government over to McConnell. But not in my worst nightmares would I have expected 2020 Trump.

[Will Hunting]

Trump 2017-2019 was exactly what I expected him to be, a hard right fascist and lazy piece of shit who handed the government over to McConnell. But not in my worst nightmares would I have expected 2020 Trump.
Same tbh, I certainly didn’t think his ineptitude and laziness would crater the country so quickly. I expected more of a GWB type (just with more rhetoric and an abhorrent personality) who’d be able to win re-election with an economic bubble through tax cuts for the rich and deregulation that doesnt pop until his 2nd term. His inability to manage a crisis is worse than I would have ever thought.

[benefactor]

You mean a fucking conman.
I can't believe people still buy that horseshit:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

TDS

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1268191470042791941?s=21
it wasn't tear gas, it was OC gas!

looks up OC gas

https://i.gyazo.com/37a05fea2a5816d5e617679acb00a9f7.png