'Stunning!' : Unemployment Falls to 13.3% as US Adds 2.5M Jobs Despite Pandemic

[ducks]

It’s a stupendous number. It’s joyous, let’s call it like it is. The Market was right. It’s stunning!
Jimcramer

@CNBC



It is a stunner by any stretch of the imagination!
@CNBC


Congratulations to wonderful Charles Payne on having been so optimistic, and therefore correct. Market up BIG!!!



I am so stunned. I’ve never seen numbers like this and I’ve been doing this for 30 years! Steve M.
mariaBartiromo



This is an AMAZING JOBS REPORT! Edward Lawrence
@FoxNews

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The report flew in the face of expectations that the unemployment rate would come close to 20% in May, after millions of laid-off workers filed for jobless benefits.

[ducks]

Trump declares victory as US unemployment drops to 13.3%
By Betsy Klein, CNN

[Will Hunting]

Lol celebrating double digit unemployment

[boutons_deux]

wow, ONLY 35 MILLION lost jobs to go.

200K C19 dead and 30M unemployed on 3 Nov

[rmt]

Lol celebrating double digit unemployment

Yes, it's something to celebrate when economists expected 19% unemployment rate and loss of 7.25 million jobs and instead it's 13.3% unemployment rate with a jump 2.5 million jobs (which pushes the DOW to currently 27175).

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-rise-ahead-of-weeks-final-test-for-stock-market-fridays-jobs-report-2020-06-05?mod=newsviewer_click

[rmt]

wow, ONLY 35 MILLION lost jobs to go.

200K C19 dead and 30M unemployed on 3 Nov

Some are just Debbie Downers - this is good news. Nov 3 is a LOOOOOONG ways away.

[Will Hunting]

Yes, it's something to celebrate when economists expected 19% unemployment rate and loss of 7.25 million jobs and instead it's 13.3% unemployment rate with a jump 2.5 million jobs (which pushes the DOW to currently 27175).

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-rise-ahead-of-weeks-final-test-for-stock-market-fridays-jobs-report-2020-06-05?mod=newsviewer_click
:lol if Obama had 13% unemployment during his presidency y’all would be crying bloody murder about it.

[ducks]

Lol it was suppose to be in the 20”s not 13

[boutons_deux]

Some are just Debbie Downers - this is good news. Nov 3 is a LOOOOOONG ways away.

nope, only 5 months, and Trash has almost nothing he can do, because he ALWAYS makes his shit into worse and new shit.

Trash/Repugs campaign and govern on hate, xenophobia, misogyny, racism, counting on the ignorance and hate of their cult base, and operate MISgovernment and create policies that KILL 100Ks of Americans.

[Joseph Kony]

"Trump declares victory as entire country is falling apart"

:lmao

[Chumpette]

No fair!
Move up the election!

[Will Hunting]

"Trump declares victory as entire country is falling apart"

:lmao
:lmao the low standards Trumptards have for Trump

:cry at least it’s not in the 20s, the fact we haven’t entered another Great Depression is something to celebrate :cry

[ducks]

Stock market is celebrating
Lol at people hoping would start hiring people back
They want socialism !

[Will Hunting]

Average hourly earnings went down by 1% when they were expected to go up. Employers hired more people but slashed pay.

MAGA!!!

[Spurtacular]

:lmao the low standards Trumptards have for Trump

:cry at least it’s not in the 20s, the fact we haven’t entered another Great Depression is something to celebrate :cry

Would Dear Zombie have kept unemployment from hitting double digits in a shutdown?

[Will Hunting]

Would Dear Zombie have kept unemployment from hitting double digits in a shutdown?
Dear Zombie wouldn’t have had advisors who ignored COVID-19 for 3 months in the first place.

[Medvedenko]

What do you think was going to happen once states started to ease restrictions....jobs came back. It's not rocket science and has nothing to do with Trump or anything he's actually doing. You close down shop...no jobs...open back up...jobs....the proof will be # of jobs prior and # of jobs after which will be the barometer. This narrative that it's all to do with Trump is laughable. In Canada with eased restrictions...guess what, jobs came back. Malls began to open and people are working. Such a dumb thing to state, just like I never blamed Trump or any other leaders on job losses due to the pandemic. Just like I don't give him a credit on jobs coming back.

[boutons_deux]

110K dead from Trash's direct MISgovernance

35M unemployed

10Ks of jobless to become homeless, lose their cars, their homes

There won't be 35M jobs available, not created by 3 November. Ms of jobs are gone forever.

[baseline bum]

What do you think was going to happen once states started to ease restrictions....jobs came back. It's not rocket science and has nothing to do with Trump or anything he's actually doing. You close down shop...no jobs...open back up...jobs....the proof will be # of jobs prior and # of jobs after which will be the barometer. This narrative that it's all to do with Trump is laughable. In Canada with eased restrictions...guess what, jobs came back. Malls began to open and people are working. Such a dumb thing to state, just like I never blamed Trump or any other leaders on job losses due to the pandemic. Just like I don't give him a credit on jobs coming back.

Why are the job losses not Trump's fault when we had to shutdown because he ignored the virus for two months?

[boutons_deux]

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[ducks]

Yes it was trumps fault New York governor put sick people in nursing homes
Yes it is trump fault over 20k died in nursing homes
Yes it is trump fault people died they claimed virus on death cert so could claim 35k
Yes it is nancy fault babies are killed daily over 100k in USA

[baseline bum]

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You forgot suspension of the first amendment.

[Trill Clinton]

1268919617440878592

tone def mentally ill bunker boy

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/damn.pngretreeeeeat!!!

[ducks]

Why are the job losses not Trump's fault when we had to shutdown because he ignored the virus for two months?

USA did not need to shutdown everything
A couple industries maybe not everything

[baseline bum]

Yes it was trumps fault New York governor put sick people in nursing homes
Yes it is trump fault over 20k died in nursing homes
Yes it is trump fault people died they claimed virus on death cert so could claim 35k
Yes it is nancy fault babies are killed daily over 100k in USA

You want faked death certificates look no further than confederate states that have all of a sudden had huge spikes in "pneumonia" deaths from February-May 2020 vs other years on record. Texas had 973 in 2018 and ~1000 other years last decade in Feb-May, but now 4200+ in 2020 in that period for example.

[baseline bum]

USA did not need to shutdown everything
A couple industries maybe not everything

USA needed someone who took the virus seriously in January, February, April, May, and June.

[ducks]

Is it trump fault New York is still shut down for businesses except for protesting ?

[boutons_deux]

pandemic is STILL spreading, esp in re-opening red/slave states where the Repug MISgovernors are LYING about C19 deaths

[Spurtacular]

Dear Zombie wouldn’t have had advisors who ignored COVID-19 for 3 months in the first place.

Why didn't Congress act?

[Joseph Kony]

:lmao the low standards Trumptards have for Trump

:cry at least it’s not in the 20s, the fact we haven’t entered another Great Depression is something to celebrate :cry

:lol seriously. didn't the country half open in May? no shit the unemployment went down slightly

[Spurtacular]

pandemic is STILL spreading, esp in re-opening red/slave states where the Repug MISgovernors are LYING about C19 deaths

It got George Floyd.

[benefactor]

:lol trying to use dead black man to prop himself up

There are literally no depths he won't sink to

[boutons_deux]

USA needed someone who took the virus seriously in January, February, April, May, and June.

Trash started trashing USA's pandemic preparedness in 2017 and continued until about Sep 2019.

Even if Trash had reacted aggressively in Dec '19 when told about the pandemic, it was already too late to rebuild 2 years of HIS damage

[ducks]

USA needed someone who took the virus seriously in January, February, April, May, and June.
He did he shit down china
Nancy and chuck were calling him racist and trying to impeach him

Atleast biden said he was wrong and trump was right on that

[baseline bum]

Is it trump fault New York is still shut down for businesses except for protesting ?

Yes. Instead of having an adult response to the pandemic it was Democratic hoax while his colleagues cashed out on their stocks.

[baseline bum]

He did he shit down china
Nancy and chuck were calling him racist and trying to impeach him

Atleast biden said he was wrong and trump was right on that

Republican early response:

1. Stop some travel from China
2. Sell off stocks before the market crashed
3. <crickets>

[ducks]

Trash started trashing USA's pandemic preparedness in 2017 and continued until about Sep 2019.

Even if Trash had reacted aggressively in Dec '19 when told about the pandemic, it was already too late to rebuild 2 years of HIS damage

Past administrations 42 43 44 weakened it
44 was told it was very low replenish it

[rmt]

USA needed someone who took the virus seriously in January, February, April, May, and June.

I guess shutting down travel of Chinese nationals to US in JANUARY wasn't taking the virus seriously - something he was called racist and other ridiculous names for.

[clambake]

If he’s not re-elected.....I think ducks is gonna kill.

[boutons_deux]

Republican early response:

1. Stop some travel from China
2. Sell off stocks before the market crashed
3. <crickets>

Praising Xi in Feb '20.

[baseline bum]

Past administrations 42 43 44 weakened it
44 was told it was very low replenish it

Mitch McConnell told 44 to go fuck himself

[baseline bum]

I guess shutting down travel of Chinese nationals to US in JANUARY wasn't taking the virus seriously - something he was called racist and other ridiculous names for.

Republican early response:

1. Stop some travel from China
2. Sell off stocks before the market crashed
3. <crickets>

[Will Hunting]

You want faked death certificates look no further than confederate states that have all of a sudden had huge spikes in "pneumonia" deaths from February-May 2020 vs other years on record. Texas had 973 in 2018 and ~1000 other years last decade in Feb-May, but now 4200+ in 2020 in that period for example.
oh so you’re notice convinced that Texas, one of the fatest and unhealthiest states in the country, has one of the lowest COVID-19 mortality rates :lol

[Trill Clinton]

USA did not need to shutdown everything
A couple industries maybe not everything

Everything didn't shutdown

[baseline bum]

oh so you’re notice convinced that Texas, one of the fatest and unhealthiest states in the country, has one of the lowest COVID-19 mortality rates :lol

Same shit in Florida too.

[hater]

:lmao bunkerbitch celebrating by throwing a kegger in the bunker :lmao

[baseline bum]

Praising Xi in Feb '20.

Denying PPE to states in March and beyond while letting a huge shipment go to China in February. Boy that couldn't have been used when American nurses and doctors were using garbage bags and Yankees ponchos as PPE.

[Will Hunting]

Same shit in Florida too.
True you’d think Florida would be higher with all the old people.

Texas having a 2.5% mortality rate vs. a 5.8% nationwide mortality rate is the one I find most hilarious :lol

[Chucho]

If he’s not re-elected.....I think ducks is gonna kill.

Not sure he's competent enough. Don't think he knows how to load a gun or sharpen a knife.

[baseline bum]

:lmao bunkerbitch celebrating by throwing a kegger in the bunker :lmao

Hopefully Kavanaugh got to pin down McEnany

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol if Obama had 13% unemployment during his presidency y’all would be crying bloody murder about it.

Funny how you guys just pretend the Covid didn't have anything to do with it and compare apples to oranges.

[DarrinS]

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[Medvedenko]

Why are the job losses not Trump's fault when we had to shutdown because he ignored the virus for two months?

Every country shut down...it doesn't matter if he ignored it, as the timeline for shut down was 2-3 months everywhere, regardless of the start and end date. Now what I can criticize him is on the death and case count that could have been mitigated due to his ignorance.

[David Hogg]

You want faked death certificates look no further than confederate states that have all of a sudden had huge spikes in "pneumonia" deaths from February-May 2020 vs other years on record. Texas had 973 in 2018 and ~1000 other years last decade in Feb-May, but now 4200+ in 2020 in that period for example.

[Spurtacular]

1268891198418235392

:lol I remember when Chumpettes scoffed at these claims during the 2012 election cycle.
:lol It was preposterous that such trickery could occur.

[baseline bum]

Every country shut down...it doesn't matter if he ignored it, as the timeline for shut down was 2-3 months everywhere, regardless of the start and end date. Now what I can criticize him is on the death and case count that could have been mitigated due to his ignorance.

South Korea and Taiwan didn't.

[Medvedenko]

South Korea and Taiwan didn't.

Look, I get it, a few countries had a different path, still not easily to compare and not actually that fair. There are so many variables to account for. Pretty much all western countries with open borders closed, with exception to Sweden. Economically speaking, he gets no credit for this "comeback", like I said nothing to do with him, as the comeback was inevitable.
Trump's base doesn't matter though, they're pretty simple and he speaks simply to them. That's the difference with stats and analysis, simple works and Trump understands that.

[Spurminator]

"Despite pandemic?"

[ducks]

Everything didn't shutdown

Nope Walmart small business had to big. In store no virus there !

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268943786937397248?s=20

USA USA USA USA

[boutons_deux]

BLS is run by Trash sycophants. The WH pressure to LIE must have been horrendous

4. The data are a bit iffy.

The pandemic has made it harder for the Bureau of Labor Statistics and Census Bureau to conduct surveys of businesses and households for the monthly jobs report.

With call centers closed and interviewers working remotely, BLS asked business to report electronically, but

the response rate was 69 percent, slightly lower than pre-pandemic rates.

The household survey response rate was 67 percent, about 15 percentage points lower than in months before the outbreak.

For the second straight month,

BLS said some workers who should have been marked as unemployed and on temporary layoff were instead counted as employed.

It estimated that if these workers had been correctly categorized, the jobless rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher, or more than 16 percent.

“It’s hard to do a survey like this when loads of small firms are shuttering and the classifications are confusing,” said Megan Greene, a senior fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy School.

“This jobs report is not consistent with anecdotal evidence or higher frequency data” such as weekly jobless claims, she said.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/05/business/wall-street-got-jobs-numbers-completely-wrong-heres-what-happened/?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter

[ducks]

Not sure he's competent enough. Don't think he knows how to load a gun or sharpen a knife.

Yeah I killed elk with my bare fist did not use gun

You silly

[Blake]

Some are just Debbie Downers - this is good news. Nov 3 is a LOOOOOONG ways away.

plenty of time for more people to get sick and die

[BSfromTX]

Why are the job losses not Trump's fault when we had to shutdown because he ignored the virus for two months?


Are you suggesting the shutdowns could could have been avoided?

[Chucho]

Yeah I killed elk with my bare fist did not use gun

You silly


Dont you live in Arizona?

Where the fuck are you killing elk in that Mars looking state?

[SnakeBoy]

oh so you’re notice convinced that Texas, one of the fatest and unhealthiest states in the country, has one of the lowest COVID-19 mortality rates :lol


Same shit in Florida too.

So what's the conspiracy theory here? Red states are lying and have had as many deaths as the shitty blue states?

[ChumpDumper]

So what's the conspiracy theory here? Red states are lying and have had as many deaths as the shitty blue states?

You tell us-- why all the pneumonia deaths?

[ducks]

Dont you live in Arizona?

Where the fuck are you killing elk in that Mars looking state?

Eagle az
Flagstaff has elk also

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268943483013943298?s=20

[SnakeBoy]

You tell us-- why all the pneumonia deaths?

I don't know what the conspiracy theory is, that's why I asked. What is the conspiracy theory?

[boutons_deux]

Are you suggesting the shutdowns could could have been avoided?

yes!

... if Trash had at least TRIED to react when he had the chance in Dec '19

but having gutted pandemic preparedness and expertise for 2 years, Trash's try would have failed compared to countries with competent govts

[baseline bum]

Are you suggesting the shutdowns could could have been avoided?

Duh

[baseline bum]

So what's the conspiracy theory here? Red states are lying and have had as many deaths as the shitty blue states?

What's your conspiracy theory behind pneumonia deaths spiking in February-May 2020 in Texas? ~1000 every other year, ~4200 in 2020.

[SnakeBoy]

What's your conspiracy theory behind pneumonia deaths spiking in February-May 2020 in Texas? ~1000 every other year, ~4200 in 2020.

Can you lay out the conspiracy theory first?

It's expected that Chump would be vague and just answer a question with a question but that's not usually your style.

[DMC]

What do you think was going to happen once states started to ease restrictions....jobs came back. It's not rocket science and has nothing to do with Trump or anything he's actually doing. You close down shop...no jobs...open back up...jobs....the proof will be # of jobs prior and # of jobs after which will be the barometer. This narrative that it's all to do with Trump is laughable. In Canada with eased restrictions...guess what, jobs came back. Malls began to open and people are working. Such a dumb thing to state, just like I never blamed Trump or any other leaders on job losses due to the pandemic. Just like I don't give him a credit on jobs coming back.

Models bad now

[spurraider21]

Can you lay out the conspiracy theory first?

It's expected that Chump would be vague and just answer a question with a question but that's not usually your style.
i would imagine that the conspiracy theory is that deaths which would have been attributed to covid elsewhere, like in new york, are being called pneumonia in texas. particularly possible because pneumonia is known to be a potential consequence of covid

[DMC]

He did he shit down china
Nancy and chuck were calling him racist and trying to impeach him

Atleast biden said he was wrong and trump was right on that

That's what I like about Biden. Very rare in a politician to admit to being wrong ever.

What I don't like about him is he has revisionist history memory on issues that he seems to support now.

[DMC]

What's your conspiracy theory behind pneumonia deaths spiking in February-May 2020 in Texas? ~1000 every other year, ~4200 in 2020.

Where are you getting this data?

[DMC]

i would imagine that the conspiracy theory is that deaths which would have been attributed to covid elsewhere, like in new york, are being called pneumonia in texas. particularly possible because pneumonia is known to be a potential consequence of covid

Well it was the same in New York. I already have Illustrated this in another thread.

[SnakeBoy]

i would imagine that the conspiracy theory is that deaths which would have been attributed to covid elsewhere, like in new york, are being called pneumonia in texas. particularly possible because pneumonia is known to be a potential consequence of covid

If that's what they are saying then they would have to believe that doctors and hospitals are in on the conspiracy and just letting people die without treatment.

[DMC]

Yes. Instead of having an adult response to the pandemic it was Democratic hoax while his colleagues cashed out on their stocks.

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the Corona virus itself a hoax. - Snopes

Just curious why you keep parroting the extreme left fake news talking points

[spurraider21]

Well it was the same in New York. I already have Illustrated this in another thread.


If that's what they are saying then they would have to believe that doctors and hospitals are in on the conspiracy and just letting people die without treatment.
i first learned of this a few minutes ago, so i dont know much, if at all, about it

but to address snakeboy, i dont know that you'd necessarily have to conclude that doctors "let people die without treatment." lots of people are dying of covid, even with treatment. over 100,000 nationwide. if somebody told me that a couple of thousand people died of covid, but the death certificate says pneumonia, i wouldnt conclude "they didnt treat him" but rather they possibly had a different standard when listing the cause of death. im not saying with any certainty that this is in fact what happened, but i dont think you need to leap to "they let people die on purpose"

[DMC]

i first learned of this a few minutes ago, so i dont know much, if at all, about it

but to address snakeboy, i dont know that you'd necessarily have to conclude that doctors "let people die without treatment." lots of people are dying of covid, even with treatment. over 100,000 nationwide. if somebody told me that a couple of thousand people died of covid, but the death certificate says pneumonia, i wouldnt conclude "they didnt treat him" but rather they possibly had a different standard when listing the cause of death. im not saying with any certainty that this is in fact what happened, but i dont think you need to leap to "they let people die on purpose"

It's extremely odd that no one got this with the South Korea thing. Instead there had to be bodies hidden.

[baseline bum]

Can you lay out the conspiracy theory first?

It's expected that Chump would be vague and just answer a question with a question but that's not usually your style.

My conspiracy theory is COVID deaths are largely being counted as pneumonia deaths in Texas.

[baseline bum]

It's extremely odd that no one got this with the South Korea thing. Instead there had to be bodies hidden.

I'll concede if you can prove they just shifted their COVID deaths over to pneumonia deaths like Texas and Florida largely seem to have.

[hater]

Average hourly wages are down 6.7 percent from this time last year, indicating employers either can’t afford to pay workers their previous wages or have hired replacements at lower rates. And as the country remains in the grips of a protest movement spawned by the killing of an unarmed black man by a white police officer, the racial disparity in this “recovery” – black unemployment actually increased, edging up from 16.7 percent to 16.8 percent – is unlikely to quell unrest in the streets

[weebo]

So what's the conspiracy theory here? Red states are lying and have had as many deaths as the shitty blue states?

AS someone who works in a red state, they're lying about the number of deaths related to CV19.

[spurraider21]

i still think its a stretch to believe that all the doctors in these states are knowingly lying on death certificates because of orders from higher ups... more evidence would be needed to actually adopt that conspiracy theory imo. it is a bit alarming though

[BSfromTX]

You tell us-- why all the pneumonia deaths?


Maybe pneumonia deaths were on par with the norm? Apparently there has been a drop in pneumonia, COPD, flu, etc. related deaths in general the last 5 mos.

[Play Boban]

You tell us-- why all the pneumonia deaths?
Stop repeating this lie tbh.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/claim-florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/

[RandomGuy]

Good to hear. Hopefully it will be sustained, but it will take a long period of growth to make back the losses.

More bounceback when/if more states can re-open. I have some optimism on that, but have a feeling we will see flareups and lockdowns going forward.

[Play Boban]

"We all saw what happened last week. We can't let that happen. Hopefully George is looking down and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. (It's) a great day for him. It's a great day for everybody," Trump said during a White House Rose Garden event before signing a piece of legislation devoted to small business loan flexibility.

[spurraider21]

Stop repeating this lie tbh.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/claim-florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/
good article, and presumably applicable to the texas numbers as well

[ElNono]

:lmao the low standards Trumptards have for Trump

:cry at least it’s not in the 20s, the fact we haven’t entered another Great Depression is something to celebrate :cry

yeah, and while it's great to see some bounce back, we all know there's some bad news with housing looming relatively soon.

Also great to see that the unemployment bonus worked as intended and in fact didn't turn people into :cry welfare queens :cry

[RandomGuy]

Maybe pneumonia deaths were on par with the norm? Apparently there has been a drop in pneumonia, COPD, flu, etc. related deaths in general the last 5 mos.

We are still going to arrive, in December, at a final count of who died in the US this year. The figures for the population as a whole tend to be VERY predictable.

Given the burden by aging, and opiod epidemic US mortality has been creeping up. What I have seen is an overall predicted rate, pre-COVID of .0088 of the population.

Always room for some variance, but anything substantially over 2.8M people will have a pretty clear cause that will be easy to isolate from the general noise.

[RandomGuy]

1268919617440878592

tone def mentally ill bunker boy

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/damn.pngretWeeeeeat!!!

Fixed it for you.

[ElNono]

i still think its a stretch to believe that all the doctors in these states are knowingly lying on death certificates because of orders from higher ups... more evidence would be needed to actually adopt that conspiracy theory imo. it is a bit alarming though

well, they don't necessarily have to lie. They would just have to not have tested people for covid. Isn't texas one of the states with the highest uninsured population in america? are tests free?

EDIT: I'm not privvy to the details of the allegations. Just answering sr21 on the plausability.

[BSfromTX]

Duh


No need to sarcastic. I wasn't baiting you like most in here. I just thought your overall feeling was that quarantine/shut down should have been started sooner and not that it was necessarily avoidable.

[spurraider21]

well, they don't necessarily have to lie. They would just have to not have tested people for covid. Isn't texas one of the states with the highest uninsured population in america? are tests free?

EDIT: I'm not privvy to the details of the allegations. Just answering sr21 on the plausability.
well if thats the case that still pushes back against the narrative that they are purposely underreporting covid as a political play, as is being suggested

[BSfromTX]

yeah, and while it's great to see some bounce back, we all know there's some bad news with housing looming relatively soon.

Also great to see that the unemployment bonus worked as intended and in fact didn't turn people into :cry welfare queens :cry


Commercial real estate is heading for trouble as well

[Play Boban]

We are still going to arrive, in December, at a final count of who died in the US this year. The figures for the population as a whole tend to be VERY predictable.

Given the burden by aging, and opiod epidemic US mortality has been creeping up. What I have seen is an overall predicted rate, pre-COVID of .0088 of the population.

Always room for some variance, but anything substantially over 2.8M people will have a pretty clear cause that will be easy to isolate from the general noise.
Truth nuke

[baseline bum]

Commercial real estate is heading for trouble as well

Sorry about the snarky previous response. Hopefully this will at least bring rents small business owners pay back in line.

[ElNono]

well if thats the case that still pushes back against the narrative that they are purposely underreporting covid as a political play, as is being suggested

Well, true, however, the uninsurance/underinsurance is certainly part of a political agenda.

[koriwhat]

If hospitals aren't over run in 2 weeks by all the protesters/looters/rioters in those shit lib cities then it's all hyperbolic bullshit!

Here here to all the looters/rioters dying from covid!!!

[BSfromTX]

Sorry about the snarky previous response. Hopefully this will at least bring rents small business owners pay back in line.


No sweat man. I honestly just want to have reasonable discussions. I know we all disagree at different levels, but I hate no one in here and respect everyones opinion.

[spurraider21]

Well, true, however, the uninsurance/underinsurance is certainly part of a political agenda.
sure but not as part of some effort to downplay covid

[spurraider21]

If hospitals aren't over run in 2 weeks by all the protesters/looters/rioters in those shit lib cities then it's all hyperbolic bullshit!

Here here to all the looters/rioters dying from covid!!!
how is it hyperbolic where we've had over 100,000 deaths

[baseline bum]

how is it hyperbolic where we've had over 100,000 deaths

Already have almost as many official deaths as ChumpDumper posts. Might cross over today so I can make Thread's sandwich extra steamy.

[koriwhat]

how is it hyperbolic where we've had over 100,000 deaths

Sit back and shut up lemming

[ElNono]

sure but not as part of some effort to downplay covid

sure.

[CosmicCowboy]

Where are you getting this data?

X2 Base. Can you post your source for pneumonia deaths in Texas by year?

[daslicer]

This is like your car getting totaled in an accident then seeing your headlights are still intact. "Great news the car is badly damage but the headlights are still functioning. The car will be usable again soon."

[ElNono]

This is like your car getting totaled in an accident then seeing your headlights are still intact. "Great news the car is badly damage but the headlights are still functioning. The car will be usable again soon."

"George Floyd really liked those headlights"

[daslicer]

"George Floyd really liked those headlights"

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Pootin's Bitch Moscow Mitch will use this TINY, questionable decrease in unemployment to justify NO MORE AID for 35M unemployed

[SnakeBoy]

My conspiracy theory is COVID deaths are largely being counted as pneumonia deaths in Texas.

So the doctors are lying and letting people die?

[spurraider21]

So the doctors are lying and letting people die?


i dont know that you'd necessarily have to conclude that doctors "let people die without treatment." lots of people are dying of covid, even with treatment. over 100,000 nationwide. if somebody told me that a couple of thousand people died of covid, but the death certificate says pneumonia, i wouldnt conclude "they didnt treat him" but rather they possibly had a different standard when listing the cause of death. im not saying with any certainty that this is in fact what happened, but i dont think you need to leap to "they let people die on purpose"

[SnakeBoy]

.

I wasn't asking you :lol

So San Antonio has ~100 ventilators available for the whole city (shockingly low imo). At no point were we ever close to to using even half of those. At no point have ICU's been overwhelmed, in fact hospitalists are calling pcp's and begging them to let them see their hospital pts because they have no work.

Under bb's conspiracy theory it's all a lie and doctors are letting people go home and die of pneumonia.

Unless he wants to give more details on his conspiracy theory.

[spurraider21]

I wasn't asking you :lol

So San Antonio has ~100 ventilators available for the whole city (shockingly low imo). At no point were we ever close to to using even half of those. At no point have ICU's been overwhelmed, in fact hospitalists are calling pcp's and begging them to let them see their hospital pts because they have no work.

Under bb's conspiracy theory it's all a lie and doctors are letting people go home and die of pneumonia.

Unless he wants to give more details on his conspiracy theory.
why does it matter is i answered or if he answered, as long as your question is answered?

bb's conspiracy theory doesnt require doctors to let people go home and die of pneuomina. it requires doctors to write "pneumonia" as the cause of death after somebody dies from covid

[baseline bum]

So the doctors are lying and letting people die?

Where the hell are you getting doctors letting die from me saying COVID deaths look like they're being counted as pneumonia deaths in Texas?

[DMC]

I'll concede if you can prove they just shifted their COVID deaths over to pneumonia deaths like Texas and Florida largely seem to have.

You need to prove Texas has "shifted" the deaths before you get the follow up. Prior to testing, people died of symptoms. This is true in many if not all states up to and including New York. So if Texas shifted the deaths to fool the stats, so did all other states.

[DMC]

why does it matter is i answered or if he answered, as long as your question is answered?

bb's conspiracy theory doesnt require doctors to let people go home and die of pneuomina. it requires doctors to write "pneumonia" as the cause of death after somebody dies from covid

Because he's having a discussion, not just googling for answers. Part of the discussion includes finding out what the other person believes to be true, and if that person isn't willing to disclose that, perhaps someone else can take over the discussion. Not all coroners are doctors. Besides if the doctor knows it's COVID but doesn't treat it as such, then he is indeed letting the patient die. If the attending physician didn't know, then the coroner didn't know.

[ElNono]

You need to prove Texas has "shifted" the deaths before you get the follow up. Prior to testing, people died of symptoms. This is true in many if not all states up to and including New York. So if Texas shifted the deaths to fool the stats, so did all other states.

Don't necessarily disagree, but I would add that some states have actually gone back, wherever possible, and tested the deceased for the virus. I know at the very least one instance here in California.

I don't know if this is prevalent in other states.

[DMC]

Don't necessarily disagree, but I would add that some states have actually gone back, wherever possible, and tested the deceased for the virus. I know at the very least one instance here in California.

I don't know if this is prevalent in other states.

You think NY is going to dig up 6 thousand people to fill the stat sheets? How about cremations? Reassembly?

[spurraider21]

Because he's having a discussion, not just googling for answers. Part of the discussion includes finding out what the other person believes to be true, and if that person isn't willing to disclose that, perhaps someone else can take over the discussion. Not all coroners are doctors. Besides if the doctor knows it's COVID but doesn't treat it as such, then he is indeed letting the patient die. If the attending physician didn't know, then the coroner didn't know.
he's free to PM if he doesnt want others to chime in

nowhere in bb's theory did he insisnt that doctors didnt treat covid patients as covid patients, but was specifically referring to the listed cause of death

[DarrinS]

I wasn't asking you :lol

So San Antonio has ~100 ventilators available for the whole city (shockingly low imo). At no point were we ever close to to using even half of those. At no point have ICU's been overwhelmed, in fact hospitalists are calling pcp's and begging them to let them see their hospital pts because they have no work.

Under bb's conspiracy theory it's all a lie and doctors are letting people go home and die of pneumonia.

Unless he wants to give more details on his conspiracy theory.


Yeah, I'm not buying this theory of mystery pneumonia deaths to hide covid-19 deaths. That's not what I'm hearing from people that would definitely know. There's actually financial incentive to label the pneumonia death as covid-19.

[DMC]

he's free to PM if he doesnt want others to chime in

nowhere in bb's theory did he insisnt that doctors didnt treat covid patients as covid patients, but was specifically referring to the listed cause of death

OK, if the doctors didn't treat them as covid patients (because they didn't test/know), why would the coroner? If they were missed, how is that a conspiracy? Please enlighten me.

[ElNono]

You think NY is going to dig up 6 thousand people to fill the stat sheets? How about cremations? Reassembly?

That's what I meant by 'whenever possible'.

What I'm pointing out is that I don't know how prevalent is the testing of the deceased for the virus, and whether that only takes place if there's any indication that the death might've been due to it.

Also, the efforts to identify patient zero in each state could also be varied.

[spurraider21]

OK, if the doctors didn't treat them as covid patients (because they didn't test/know), why would the coroner? If they were missed, how is that a conspiracy? Please enlighten me.
the conspiracy is that they were covid patients who were treated as covid patients and when they died they listed the cause of death as something other than covid

[boutons_deux]

"You need to prove Texas ..."

bullshit

There's no way a citizen can prove C19 deaths were SYSTEMATICALLY attributed to pneumonia.

The "excess deaths" phenomenon has been seen in several states and in other countries during the pandemic,

Even before the pandemic had an "official" FIRST CASE,

causing the medical people to think the earliest pneumonia deaths were actually C19 deaths.

And of course, with no C19 testing available in Dec/Jan/Feb, the docs couldn't have proven C19 anyway.

rightwingnutjobs are saying "excessive deaths", like 2x to 4x excessive, during the pandemic were not C19, but they have no other explanation.

Just another rhetorical tactic of "sowing doubt", denying objective reality, to defend Trash's fatal fuckup.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I'm not buying this theory of mystery pneumonia deaths to hide covid-19 deaths. That's not what I'm hearing from people that would definitely know. There's actually financial incentive to label the pneumonia death as covid-19.

Can you think of any other good reason why pneumonia deaths would be so ridiculously high this year in Texas and Florida from Feb-May in comparison to other recent years?

[baseline bum]

You need to prove Texas has "shifted" the deaths before you get the follow up. Prior to testing, people died of symptoms. This is true in many if not all states up to and including New York. So if Texas shifted the deaths to fool the stats, so did all other states.

Oh fuck off man, you made allegations about South Korea lying without any proof. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

If they mark it as both COVID and pneumonia, fine. I'll look around for both numbers.

[spurraider21]

Can you think of any other good reason why pneumonia deaths would be so ridiculously high this year in Texas and Florida from Feb-May in comparison to other recent years?
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/claim-florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/

[DarrinS]

If they mark it as both COVID and pneumonia, fine. I'll look around for both numbers.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/claim-florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/


Welp

[ChumpDumper]

Welp

I read that, thanks.

[baseline bum]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/claim-florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/

Here is the CDC's link:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

For Florida they say

Pneumonia deaths: 5,872
Deaths with pneumonia and COVID 19: 1,146

Were there ~3800 heart attacks or strokes from people who died with pneumonia? I'd like to see someone in the media square away that difference between the two numbers, especially since Florida has already been credibly accused of fudging numbers.

[DarrinS]

Here is the CDC's link:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

For Florida they say

Pneumonia deaths: 5,872
Deaths with pneumonia and COVID 19: 1,146

Were there ~3800 heart attacks or strokes from people who died with pneumonia? I'd like to see someone in the media square away that difference between the two numbers, especially since Florida has already been credibly accused of fudging numbers.


Doubling down? Really?

[DMC]

That's what I meant by 'whenever possible'.

What I'm pointing out is that I don't know how prevalent is the testing of the deceased for the virus, and whether that only takes place if there's any indication that the death might've been due to it.

Also, the efforts to identify patient zero in each state could also be varied.

I highly doubt (know for a fact actually) that testing kits were in short supply and not being used on dead people.

[DMC]

Even the flu deaths has a range of 24 - 63K deaths because they simply don't know, because people weren't tested before they died for whatever reason.

[spurraider21]

Here is the CDC's link:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

For Florida they say

Pneumonia deaths: 5,872
Deaths with pneumonia and COVID 19: 1,146

Were there ~3800 heart attacks or strokes from people who died with pneumonia? I'd like to see someone in the media square away that difference between the two numbers, especially since Florida has already been credibly accused of fudging numbers.
thanks. i hadn't seen the figures you were citing, but its interesting, doesn't really line up with the article i linked

[baseline bum]

Doubling down? Really?

Doubling down on what? On asking if 3800 or so of these deaths with pneumonia will be considered deaths from something else like heart attack or stroke if the person was killed by those while admitted with pneumonia? And Florida has been credibly accused of fudging numbers, I don't see what's so controversial about saying that.

[DarrinS]

Doubling down on what? On asking if 3800 or so of these deaths with pneumonia will be considered deaths from something else like heart attack or stroke if the person was killed by those while admitted with pneumonia? And Florida has been credibly accused of fudging numbers, I don't see what's so controversial about saying that.


So, the hospitals coding the cause of death don't want the extra covid money and/or don't want to make the governor look bad? Lol.

And what is your source for "Florida has been credibly accused of fudging numbers"?

[baseline bum]

So, the hospitals coding the cause of death don't want the extra covid money and/or don't want to make the governor look bad? Lol.


Just wondering how you get such a discrepancy, hence asking about heart attack and stroke deaths. Pneumonia is a pretty serious thing to have so I'd imagine it would have to be something that comes on fast like heart attack or stroke to overrule pneumonia as a cause of death for someone admitted with pneumonia.



And what is your source for "Florida has been credibly accused of fudging numbers"?

From the article sr21 posted that you didn't read:

Florida’s public data reporting about COVID-19 deaths has drawn scrutiny. In May, a state Department of Health employee said she was pressured to manipulate data and was fired. A spokeswoman for Gov. Ron DeSantis said the employee had been insubordinate and the state denied any manipulation of the data. However, county medical examiners have reported higher death counts than the state.

[DMC]

Dr in Colorado made similar claims and was called a lunatic by the left. I guess it only matters how the state voted last election.

[Will Hunting]

Funny how you guys just pretend the Covid didn't have anything to do with it and compare apples to oranges.
Almost as funny as you pretending the COVID outbreak was completely outside of Trump’s control.

[ChumpDumper]

Dr in Colorado made similar claims and was called a lunatic by the left. I guess it only matters how the state voted last election.What do you think of the claims themselves?

[DarrinS]

Just wondering how you get such a discrepancy, hence asking about heart attack and stroke deaths. Pneumonia is a pretty serious thing to have so I'd imagine it would have to be something that comes on fast like heart attack or stroke to overrule pneumonia as a cause of death for someone admitted with pneumonia.



From the article sr21 posted that you didn't read:

Florida’s public data reporting about COVID-19 deaths has drawn scrutiny. In May, a state Department of Health employee said she was pressured to manipulate data and was fired. A spokeswoman for Gov. Ron DeSantis said the employee had been insubordinate and the state denied any manipulation of the data. However, county medical examiners have reported higher death counts than the state.

I'll look into the data issues you've highlighted.

You should dig deeper into the Rebekah Jones story.

[SnakeBoy]

bb's conspiracy theory doesnt require doctors to let people go home and die of pneuomina. it requires doctors to write "pneumonia" as the cause of death after somebody dies from covid

lol that's bullshit. The conspiracy theory is that red states are getting hit just as hard as some blue states but are lying about it. In order for that to be true either our hospitals are overwhelmed and there is a gian t cover up OR the hospitals and doctors are in on the conspiracy and not treating covid patients.


why does it matter is i answered or if he answered, as long as your question is answered?


Because presumably you don't know what the conspiracy theory is. I've asked them (BB and Matt Damon) to lay it out clearly but so far they refuse to do so.

[ElNono]

I highly doubt (know for a fact actually) that testing kits were in short supply and not being used on dead people.


Even the flu deaths has a range of 24 - 63K deaths because they simply don't know, because people weren't tested before they died for whatever reason.

I know there was a short supply initially, but I thought that ramped up? At least in some states. I know here in CA you can go get a test even if you don't have symptoms.

[spurraider21]

lol that's bullshit. The conspiracy theory is that red states are getting hit just as hard as some blue states but are lying about it. In order for that to be true either our hospitals are overwhelmed and there is a gian t cover up OR the hospitals and doctors are in on the conspiracy and not treating covid patients.



Because presumably you don't know what the conspiracy theory is. I've asked them (BB and Matt Damon) to lay it out clearly but so far they refuse to do so.
:lol

Where the hell are you getting doctors letting die from me saying COVID deaths look like they're being counted as pneumonia deaths in Texas?
why is it so difficult to understand? the conspiracy theory is that people are being treated for and dying of covid but the cause of death is being written down as things other than covid

i dont have sufficient evidence to adopt this theory, but its not too difficult to understand what the theory is :lol

[BSfromTX]

I know there was a short supply initially, but I thought that ramped up? At least in some states. I know here in CA you can go get a test even if you don't have symptoms.

three weeks ago I asked a friend (pediatrician) if they were testing any patients.. he said, “nope, tests are 500.00 and have a 15-30% margin of error.” He said,” antibody test would be more informative, so a false negative would be a liability.”

I asked, “but how specific are antibodies?”

he said, “ we don’t know, but probably specific enough to be more accurate than tests.”

[SnakeBoy]

three weeks ago I asked a friend (pediatrician) if they were testing any patients.. he said, “nope, tests are 500.00 and have a 15-30% margin of error.” He said,” antibody test would be more informative, so a false negative would be a liability.”

I asked, “but how specific are antibodies?”

he said, “ we don’t know, but probably specific enough to be more accurate than tests.”

:lol this is funny because San Antonio Health Department has been calling physicians to make sure they know how inaccurate the antibody tests are and to make sure they aren't using them for diagnosis.

[DMC]

I know there was a short supply initially, but I thought that ramped up? At least in some states. I know here in CA you can go get a test even if you don't have symptoms.

Sure but not before some died without being tested in smaller hospitals or at home. It's still not easy to get tested unless you're willing to pay a private lab. You need a doctors referral.

[BSfromTX]

Yes
:lol this is funny because San Antonio Health Department has been calling physicians to make sure they know how inaccurate the antibody tests are and to make sure they aren't using them for diagnosis.

antibodies can recognize any part of a virus/bacteria (antigen). Some antigens can be shared with other viruses, so yes accuracy is questionable... but that begs the question, how can we certain about any statistics if we can not accurately diagnose?

[DMC]

Yes

antibodies can recognize any part of a virus/bacteria (antigen). Some antigens can be shared with other viruses, so yes accuracy is questionable... but that begs the question, how can we certain about any statistics if we can not accurately diagnose?

The CDC isn't the only game in town for antibody tests. There are some with much better results.

[ElNono]

Sure but not before some died without being tested in smaller hospitals or at home. It's still not easy to get tested unless you're willing to pay a private lab. You need a doctors referral.

hmm, city has been offering here to test anybody, no referral needed. But this is a relative 'hot spot', so it might make more sense.

[ElNono]

three weeks ago I asked a friend (pediatrician) if they were testing any patients.. he said, “nope, tests are 500.00 and have a 15-30% margin of error.” He said,” antibody test would be more informative, so a false negative would be a liability.”

I asked, “but how specific are antibodies?”

he said, “ we don’t know, but probably specific enough to be more accurate than tests.”

You definitely want an antibody test (that works). I mean, if you had the virus before, you wanna know, so you stop getting re-tested.

[rascal]

Are you stupid. Of course the unemployment rate was going to fall as jobs opened up and people went back to work.

[rascal]

USA did not need to shutdown everything
A couple industries maybe not everything

The USA did not shut down everything. Many jobs were considered essential and never shut down even if they were not really essential.

Most Manufacturing jobs kept going. Some service sector jobs shut down as they should have.

[pgardn]

Yes

antibodies can recognize any part of a virus/bacteria (antigen). Some antigens can be shared with other viruses, so yes accuracy is questionable... but that begs the question, how can we certain about any statistics if we can not accurately diagnose?

These things have all been rushed. It is not surprising accuracy is questionable. And it’s not surprising that testing of accuracy are all over the place as well. We do the best with what we have right now.

Diagnose what exactly? This has been very misunderstood before is why I ask.

[Thread]

Are you stupid. Of course the unemployment rate was going to fall as jobs opened up and people went back to work.

Yep, and those $600.00 a week jobs were targeted by the non $600.00 a week recipients.

Somebody is always watching.

[Reck]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/05/may-2020-jobs-report-misclassification-error/?outputType=amp

:lol

[pgardn]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/05/may-2020-jobs-report-misclassification-error/?outputType=amp

:lol

Interesting article.

We again see how even in financial forecasts and associated indexes the numbers have reason to be doubted.
Imo we really like to feel like we have a hold of important numbers when we really do not. We do our best, but if one looks at how data is actually gathered and dissected we can be significantly off. Which is why having some sense of "margin" of error in a number is so important.

Economics relies so heavily on human behavior it becomes terribly difficult imo. Which is why we can all chose our favorite economists depending on our political leanings and then laugh at the "other" economists when they are wrong.

[Winehole23]

Due to a miscategorization, the bottom line BLS unemployment figure widely reported yesterday is wrong.

Unemployment in the household survey rose to 16% last month.

https://www.thestreet.com/.amp-mishtalk/mishtalk/economics/surprise-the-bls-admits-another-phony-jobs-report

[BSfromTX]

Interesting article.

We again see how even in financial forecasts and associated indexes the numbers have reason to be doubted.
Imo we really like to feel like we have a hold of important numbers when we really do not. We do our best, but if one looks at how data is actually gathered and dissected we can be significantly off. Which is why having some sense of "margin" of error in a number is so important.

Economics relies so heavily on human behavior it becomes terribly difficult imo. Which is why we can all chose our favorite economists depending on our political leanings and then laugh at the "other" economists when they are wrong.

so true

[Reck]

Interesting article.

We again see how even in financial forecasts and associated indexes the numbers have reason to be doubted.
Imo we really like to feel like we have a hold of important numbers when we really do not. We do our best, but if one looks at how data is actually gathered and dissected we can be significantly off. Which is why having some sense of "margin" of error in a number is so important.

Economics relies so heavily on human behavior it becomes terribly difficult imo. Which is why we can all chose our favorite economists depending on our political leanings and then laugh at the "other" economists when they are wrong.

Good post.

But the overall point is that Trump’s team likely knew or even let them release a faulty number at first just To brag about the relatively good numbers considering the situation we’re in right now.

By the time the correction occurs, they would have already benefited from the fake publishing.

[pgardn]

Good post.

But the overall point is that Trump’s team likely knew or even let them release a faulty number at first just To brag about the relatively good numbers considering the situation we’re in right now.

By the time the correction occurs, they would have already benefited from the fake publishing.

I would not doubt this in the least.
With my TDS I cant believe the man on anything really.
I really dont know how to treat anything he says as he is such a prolific liar. This is a very difficult situation.

[boutons_deux]

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[Thread]

I would not doubt this in the least.
With my TDS I cant believe the man on anything really.
I really dont know how to treat anything he says as he is such a prolific liar. This is a very difficult situation.

Give me a fuckin' break, peeg. Since we crossed 100k & that fuckin' waste of space Floyd died you've been having the time of your life. You & Recky both. I've never seen ya's happier.

Yeah, MSM is going to make a saint out of that career felon Floyd. Big shot.

[Thread]

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Caught ya's on a Friday no less. You have to sit on it till at least the Sunday talk shows. They're steamin' big time over on CNN. Wouldn't even televise his presser yesterday. MSNBC cut out early as well. Had to resort to FOX to finish 'er out.

+ the Saudis and the Poot are helping out on that DOW again, by God.

Christ-a-mighty, we was at 29k when 19 hit. We're at 27k 3 months later.

You GD right that old man is gonna dance on your fuckin' heads.

CHARGE!!!

[boutons_deux]

Unemployment Rate Would Have Been 3 Percent Higher in May If Furloughed Were Includedhttps://www.newsweek.com/unemployment-rate-would-have-been-3-percent-higher-may-if-furloughed-were-included-1509203 (https://www.newsweek.com/unemployment-rate-would-have-been-3-percent-higher-may-if-furloughed-were-included-1509203)

[DMC]

Would've, could've, should've.