Pop has a message for White People

[Dirks_Finale]

Democratic politicians initiated it. I don't need to google anything as I am privy to this. :lol


My post was a request for you to research why this might be prevalent based off historical data....... is that request clear enough?

[Atl Spur]

Democratic politicians initiated it. I don't need to google anything as I am privy to this. :lol

I never mentioned any political affiliation, funny how thats always the go to on this board........ No need to chop it up with you anymore! You had so much promise but in the end....

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1273735397315506177?s=20

He's still looking for sources for this but this is racism is basically the plan. The endgame for the "privilege" nonsense tbh

[Russ]

young black men ages 15-34 are responsible for 57% of all violent crime in the nation DESPITE only comprising 2% of the population.



Dude, given your weltanschauung, how can you find it in yourself to be a pro basketball fan (of all things)?

[Nathan89]

Dude, given your weltanschauung, how can you find it in yourself to be a pro basketball fan (of all things)?

What does discussing crime statistics have to with watching basketball? Are NBA players violent criminals?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1273662562060562434?s=20

Imagine if we judged black people like black people judge police.

[Nathan89]

The mainstream media doesn't show any of these attacks on white people but if you call the police on a black person is national news. And in the case of Starbucks they have to shutdown for half a day and feed their employees propaganda. Mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

:lmao :lmao

[Play Boban]

It’s funny how most Manu fans are white supremacists. No wonder why they didn’t like the two greater parts of the Big Three. Or really it was the Big Two. Manu was a glorified role player, only his white privilege elevated him.

[ElNono]

It’s funny how most Manu fans are white supremacists. No wonder why they didn’t like the two greater parts of the Big Three. Or really it was the Big Two. Manu was a glorified role player, only his white privilege elevated him.

you really need to up your troll game, tbh... that's a C- on effort, D overall... you can do better than that.

[Atl Spur]

The mainstream media doesn't show any of these attacks on white people but if you call the police on a black person is national news. And in the case of Starbucks they have to shutdown for half a day and feed their employees propaganda. Mainstream media is the enemy of the people.
Hey bud, did you check out those two inventors yet?

[Atl Spur]

Can anyone tell me what happened in Tuskegee ? Nathan find me a nice little video if you could please��

[Atl Spur]

Happy Juneteenth! 155yrs free people in a country/economy you helped build. Yeah that warrants a closer look at the pie slice. If some you message board hero’s get a chance, let’s jump on a zoom call to put faces with names.

[Nathan89]

Look at the failed policies you've been voting for thinking they are beneficial.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1273828860056834049?s=20

The left is tearing the country down brick-by-brick and you want to look at "pie size". News flash the civil war shrinks the pie for everyone. This country is on path to being unrecognizable.

[Nathan89]

You'll soon be begging to go back to yesteryear and realize how foolish you were the entire time. It will be too late. Dark times are ahead and some project it to last for a long period of time.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1273877015918047232?s=20

IT's OnLy a coNfeDeRAte stAtUe.

[Nathan89]

I suspect they hate America

[Play Boban]

you really need to up your troll game, tbh... that's a C- on effort, D overall... you can do better than that.
I’m sorry for calling out the top Manu fan on the board tbh. :elephant

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1273338941593305089?s=20

Democrats are shameful. That's kindest way to say it.

[TimDunkem]

^Disingenuous fuck.

[Atl Spur]

Nathan, happy Juneteenth!

[TimDunkem]

Nathan, happy Juneteenth!
He didn't know what that was until those damn lefties started bringing up his Cult leader's Tulsa rally.

[Atl Spur]

Matt is a clown......... you could of got a better example to prove whatever your point was:)

[Atl Spur]

He didn't know what that was until those damn lefties started bringing up his Cult leader's Tulsa rally.

Nathan’s here for my amusement��

[TimDunkem]

Nathan’s here for my amusement��
Try not to catch any of the cancer he spews.

[Nathan89]

Nathan’s here for my amusement��

I didn't know being embarrassed is your kink. Whatever gets you going.

[Phenomanul]

No, that's called whataboutism, and it doesn't address systemic racism at all.

You're conflating issues here. Violent crime rates are significantly higher for Black Americans than they are for any other race in our country – disproportionately so. That is a fact. The issue that I’m debunking here is the claim that Black Americans are being targeted and hunted down by law enforcement officials based on race alone. The statistics I pointed to in that other post you glossed over, however, do not affirm that narrative. Black Americans aren’t being targeted, they have simply created a disproportionate amount of confrontations between themselves and law enforcement officials. The cart doesn’t pull the horse here.

Law Enforcement officials are called in to confront crime - especially violent crime. This job function INTRINSICALLY puts them in a position to deal with criminals. Those confrontations (38 million of them last year alone) are part of the job and mostly occur uneventfully (without tragic loss of life). The narrative that black men are somehow being targeted and hunted down, however, disappears whenever one accounts for the fact that law enforcement officers confront almost 40% more Black Americans than whites in response to those calls (even though there are 25.6 million white men vs. 6.6 million black men in the 15-34 age bracket in the U.S. population pool). Law enforcement agencies respond to all calls regardless of the demographics (many times race is an unknown factor when they are called in). The fact that law enforcement officials predominantly find Black Americans on the back end of those 911 calls is not caused by the police responding to their job function – THAT assertion is asinine.


When your response to people of color earning less than their white counterparts for the same job

No, I wasn’t even talking about that issue. It’s a classic red herring and you just NOW threw that into the discussion. A couple of trans-discipline studies show that the racial pay gap is not as wide as it was even 10 years ago during Obama’s administration. I’ve seen many figures including a $0.98 per dollar ratio for this particular gap. The bigger problem on this particular issue is an interpretative one: that much like proponents of systemic racism you are asserting that all income inequality is due to inequity. But that premise cannot be definitively proven.


having longer sentences for the same crime

Another red-herring, but one that I covered when I said that we needed justice reforms. Justice should be color-blind, and judges that are disregarding this principle should be removed from their positions. I believe that most of us can agree to that.


being racially profiled

This is more of a speculative argument. Cannot be readily quantified nor is it easily discernable from mere anecdotal hearsay.


having less opportunities, etc…

Equal outcomes are not guaranteed for anyone. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that if the same job is being done that THEN equal pay is merited regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, or age. The problem is that “earning power” is based on a myriad factors. Performance alone should be the defining metric – but we all know that other factors play a part in this very complex issue. Some factors are quantifiable metrics such as seniority (years of service), and others are more subjective such as “personality or people skills” or even something as fluid as “experience”.

Other factors are neutral, but they also play a big role in affecting pay scales (will an E.R. doctor working in lower Manhattan earn the same amount as an E.R. doctor who works in a rural town somewhere out in the Midwest?) What about disparity in compensation packets? Some employers offer better benefits than others (retirement pension plans, 401k, vacation incentives, Christmas bonuses, etc…).

Other factors still, are ambition-driven (some people don’t know how to properly sell themselves as they negotiate for better remuneration - if they even pursue such a course of action). A particular study I found suggested that as a whole, Black Americans and Hispanics were reluctant to pursue this course of action (salary renegotiation) out of fear for adverse repercussions – but most other races don’t care and see the frequency of such interaction as a normal part of the job dynamic. The end result from a reluctance to "argue on behalf of one's own career" is mostly detrimental.

More importantly, not all people have the same job opportunities presented to them because of the imbalance in the completion rates of higher education. Black Americans are completing 4-year degrees at a rate that is 10% lower than White Americans (36% to 26%) – even though going to college is still very much a choice. The reasons for that disparity are another discussion within a discussion - but again, it is would be lazy to suggest that it's all due to racism.

The point is you would be hard pressed to find a study, or any series of studies that take all of these variables into account such that a true comparison of wages across a wide spectrum of job disciplines can be evaluated. Some studies claim to account for these issues, but don’t even account for half of the issues that I’ve identified above – which makes their conclusions even more dubious considering that there are far more factors than the ones I’ve identified here.


"but what about asians and pakistanis?!" it's a lazy deflection that doesn't address the issue at all.

My point is that there are no innately prejudicial laws which prevent people from earning more. Crying “it’s cause of racism” undermines legitimate reasons why pay might be lower in some situations. Why do black rappers earn more money than white ones? Ah, see? The answers aren’t always so linearly explanatory.


You then try to crowbar judeochristian bullshit to make you feel better, that, again, has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

You’re grasping at straws now. I certainly believe that GOD’s presence in our lives is a foundational component that can provide stability in our homes. And I inherently believe that stable families usually create an encouraging environment that is conducive towards raising children into successful adults. But I didn’t say or bring up any of that rhetoric in any of my replies on this thread. Unless of course you have finally acknowledged that marriage is a GOD-ordained institution – a premise which you have always rejected. Because the only topic in that article that I posted that remotely overlaps with any discussion of GOD is the phrase suggesting that marriage IS in fact an institution. But that parallel is not discretely explained on Judeo-Christian terms. Many others in society see the family unit that way.



This isn't a problem of indoctrination. Different groups of people have different cultures, are proud of them, and they don't want anything to do with yours.

Reminds me of when I got accused of racism at college by some of my black friends because I mentioned that I deeply dislike rap music, only for me to turn the accusation back on them when I asked them if that was the same reason why they disliked my Mexican/Spanish music. I can’t properly describe how big their eyes got when they realized that their initial accusation was way off base. When I told them that they were conflating cultural tastes with racism. I’m proud of my Hispanic heritage – in fact, I predominantly speak Spanish in my home. I still consider myself an American Patriot because I recognize that the foundational principles that this nation was built upon (the “promissory note” that was cashed in during the Civil War, Women’s Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement) is transcendental. At its core that is what this pseudo-Marxist movement known as BLM is attempting to destroy.

I guess this conversation hits too close to home for you because every single time I have traveled to Argentina (all three trips) or Spain (four trips) I’ve encountered unabashed racism from the locals. You want racism? Look no further than your home country.


Have you even given some thought that what works for you might not work for somebody else? You might as well bring up the last buzzword when blaming the victim... but Chicago! You'll have conservative bingo on black folks.

The claim that this land is too oppressive that non-white people are unable to rise to the top or that they cannot succeed cannot be true if everyone in my family succeeded EVEN though we came to the States with nothing but the clothes on our backs. Did we face some racist people along the way? Certainly, but that doesn’t mean that “the system” is intrinsically racist. You just have to persevere beyond those hurdles. Many Black Americans have cleared those hurdles as well. Their numbers simply don’t bolster the media narrative here - so oftentimes they are just simply ignored.

[ElNono]

You're conflating issues here. Violent crime rates are significantly higher for Black Americans than they are for any other race in our country – disproportionately so. That is a fact. The issue that I’m debunking here is the claim that Black Americans are being targeted and hunted down by law enforcement officials based on race alone.

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I'm not conflating or confusing anything. Black people have problems, just like white, asian, latinos, etc do, but racism is not one of them.

That's largely a white people problem, which you clearly do not absolutely want to talk about. That's clear as a day.

There's no red herrings or fallacies... plenty of studies around, like here (https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/), here (https://www.epi.org/blog/stark-black-white-divide-in-wages-is-widening-further/), etc.

Pretending the problems don't exist won't make them go away. I'm also an exceptional case, but I'm fully aware of my surroundings and I understand that I'm an exception to the rule. My situation is merely an anecdote, and should be taken as such. I couldn't tell you anything about Argentina, I haven't lived there in 20+ years.

I frankly don't understand why you're even posting here. Pointing out that black people have problems isn't going to say or solve anything of what's largely a white people's problem.

[Atl Spur]

I didn't know being embarrassed is your kink. Whatever gets you going.

You??? Nathan, I feel sorry for you homie. Brother you are not mentally equipped.....

[Atl Spur]

You can’t stop progress as history has taught us but then again you don’t know history:) Ben Carson......you clown!

[Nathan89]

"you can't stop progress"

Could write a more meaningless statement?

[Nathan89]

https://youtu.be/NAPi7xAmKDg

[Atl Spur]

"you can't stop progress"

Could write a more meaningless statement?

I can always count on you doing the work for me!lol Meaningless? Comedic gold! Your alma mater smart guy?
One would hope a group of people who stole,killed,and enslaved their way to the top for centuries should reflect back on its actions with shame & eagerness to right wrongs. You don’t get to be the victim and enjoy the spoils of your horrible actions......CLOWN! Head on over to Tulsa without your mask sport! No videos to gloss over that little incident in 1921 Tulsa? Need one for those Tuskegee trials also if you could:)

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/hrtablaze/status/1274247915062493186?s=20

The leftist mob takes down another statue for the betterment of America.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/hrtablaze/status/1274247915062493186?s=20

The leftist mob takes down another statue for the betterment of America.

If you're actually wondering... (probably not, but nevertheless)

Grant was the last US president to have personally owned another human being. Though his father was an abolitionist, Grant married a woman from a slave-owning family and personally directed the labor of enslaved workers at their plantation in Missouri. In 1859, two years before the civil war, he emancipated William Jones, a slave aged around 35 whom he had personally owned.

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/hrtablaze/status/1274247915062493186?s=20

The leftist mob takes down another statue for the betterment of America.

Damn Big Nathan,I made a simple request for two videos, can you upload those. Can you also let us know who was desperate enough to give you any diploma?

[Phenomanul]

I'm not conflating or confusing anything. Black people have problems, just like white, asian, latinos, etc do, but racism is not one of them.

That's largely a white people problem, which you clearly do not absolutely want to talk about. That's clear as a day.

There's no red herrings or fallacies... plenty of studies around, like here (https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/), here (https://www.epi.org/blog/stark-black-white-divide-in-wages-is-widening-further/), etc.

Pretending the problems don't exist won't make them go away. I'm also an exceptional case, but I'm fully aware of my surroundings and I understand that I'm an exception to the rule. My situation is merely an anecdote, and should be taken as such. I couldn't tell you anything about Argentina, I haven't lived there in 20+ years.

I frankly don't understand why you're even posting here. Pointing out that black people have problems isn't going to say or solve anything of what's largely a white people's problem.

I’m posting because I believe that the belief that racism is as pervasive today as it was during the slavery or Jim Crow eras is not supported by the evidence. Leftists are selling this fear as a rallying cry to destroy the foundations of this nation and people are falling for it. It’s truly sickening to see people defend the violent nature of these protests. It is DOGMATIC in nature to claim that everything is “systemic racism”. Welcome to your third religion: the new "Woke Religion". “Anthropogenic Climate Change” was your second adopted religion and Atheism was your first.

And you are certainly conflating issues here. Equal outcomes should not be the expected result of equal opportunity and not all inequalities are derived from inequity. BLM proponents simply cry "racism" and expect the accusation to end all conversation, but a true objective look at the relevant statistics does not support their core premises.

Accuse someone of being a racist and that person's livelihood will be destroyed whether or not the accusation has any merit. That's why I keep iterating that the views are dogmatic. These “protests” are tantamount to mob rule. Initiating a second wave of McCarthyism under the guise of purging racism from among us is not the best way to go about effecting change. Ironically, the amount of Marxist ideology that is embedded within that strategy is an almost deliberate part of the message that has eluded most members of this new Woke Religion. Perhaps after asking all white people in society to take a penitent knee for “the sins of their forefathers” we can ask them to wear a scarlet “W” on their chests.

And for the THIRD time, it was Barrack Hussein Obama that pointed out the fatherlessness statistics of Black America and the implications thereof. I simply pointed to his speech. What Obama failed to mention, however, was that fatherlessness in Black American homes is largely the result of failed Democratic Party policies starting with LBJ's New Society through today. Most of the cities associated with racial upheaval, have scores of impoverished Black American residents that don't realize that their Democratic Party leaders have failed them and will continue using them as political pawns until they wake up to their deceit.

The City of Chicago, Illinois has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1933.
Rahm Emanuel's failed policies as Mayor of Chicago (from 2011 thru 2019) have been especially devastating.

The City of Minneapolis, Minnesota has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1974.
Jacob Frey's failed policies as Mayor of Minneapolis (from his time in the City Council 2013 to his current post as Mayor) led to violent police officers (repeat offenders) remaining on the force. The results have been devastating.

The City of Baltimore, Maryland has been under mostly Democratic Party control since 1947 (minus one Republican stint from 1963-1967)
Sheila Ann Dixon's, Catherine Pugh's and Bernard C. Young's failed policies as recent Mayors of Baltimore has been devastating to Black neighborhoods. Several of these mayors have had problems with the law.

The City of Detroit, Michigan has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1962.
This span includes the infamous riots of 1967. Detroit is dying as a city in part to failed Democratic policies that have obliterated its growth.

And on and on it goes for almost every major urban center with significant Black American residents:

The City of St. Louis, Missouri has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1949.

The City of Los Angeles, California has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1964.

The City of Atlanta, Georgia has been under mostly uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1855 (well before the Civil War) (minus a one year stint by a Republican Mayor in 1871, and another 2-year stint in 1877).

The City of Memphis, Tennessee has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1968.

The City of Jacksonville, Florida has been mostly under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1881 (with a 1-year reprieve under Republican leadership in 1887).

The City of Richmond, Virginia has been mostly under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1840 (with a 2-year reprieve under Republican leadership in 1868 (shortly after the Civil War) and another 2-year stint in 1988).

The City of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1952.

The point is all of these cities have failed to enact policies that actually help Black American communities. Anything with REAL CHANGE. The problem is that they keep getting voted into power on nothing but failed promises.

[ElNono]

I’m posting because I believe that the belief that racism is as pervasive today as it was during the slavery or Jim Crow eras is not supported by the evidence. Leftists are selling this fear as a rallying cry to destroy the foundations of this nation and people are falling for it. It’s truly sickening to see people defend the violent nature of these protests. It is DOGMATIC in nature to claim that everything is “systemic racism”. Welcome to your third religion: the new "Woke Religion". “Anthropogenic Climate Change” was your second adopted religion and Atheism was your first.

You could've just stated from the get go that you think systemic racism is a hoax, and we would just not have taken you seriously, much like we do with Nathan.

But no, you had to come over here and start pointing fingers at black people for their problems, as if that somehow justifies the fact that they get largely and consistently discriminated. Sometimes even killed for being black.

Now, you come here to rant about Democrats. See what I mean? Exactly what I pointed out a few posts ago, you want to talk about everything but racism, because that entails some intellectual honesty and introspection, of which you have none.

This isn't dogma. It's not some fairy tale like the bible where you get to pick and choose what that imaginary guy in the sky really meant. This is real life, with real implications from socioeconomic disadvantages to sometimes lost lives.

BTW, you successfully completed the conservative bingo... both Chicago and ranting about democrats in the same post! Well done!

When you're bored, put Pop's message in the OP on a loop until you understand what he's talking about. See if it can get through that thick head.

[Nathan89]

Imagine thinking you are helping black people by blaming all their problems on "systemic racism".

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1269524550372347905?s=20


https://youtu.be/tm86QPhCwFc

Here's a clip and full video of protesters in Australia. Just a bunch of people fueled by facts. :rolleyes

[Nathan89]

If "this isn't dogma" was true they wouldn't be chanting "hands up don't shoot". Stats don't support their outrage. They've been manipulated by the Dems and media for their political agenda. Sad times.

[MultiTroll]

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1269524550372347905?s=20


https://youtu.be/tm86QPhCwFc

Here's a clip and full video of protesters in Australia. Just a bunch of people fueled by facts. :rolleyes
:lol
https://f0.pngfuel.com/png/102/773/ralph-wiggum-homo-sapiens-arm-art-the-simpsons-movie-png-clip-art-thumbnail.png
I'm a protester.

Pretty sad.

[ElNono]

Imagine thinking you are helping black people by blaming all their problems on "systemic racism".

Imagine thinking systemic racism is a black people's problem. It's your problem Nathan. You don't have to accept it or agree with it.


If "this isn't dogma" was true they wouldn't be chanting "hands up don't shoot". Stats don't support their outrage. They've been manipulated by the Dems and media for their political agenda. Sad times.

Glad you're sad... only gonna get more uncomfortable for you.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1274765435817295872?s=20

https://twitter.com/defund_the/status/1274055863217590275?s=20

The media manipulating the masses for their political agenda. I'm shocked. They simply would not do that.

[MultiTroll]

The media manipulating the masses for their political agenda. I'm shocked. They simply would not do that.
Draw me a picture here. What was manipulated?

Also the guy with the blue thing. Is he jacking off with it as he stands in front of the car, what is he doing with it? What is the blue thing?

[Atl Spur]

Still waiting...........

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1274765435817295872?s=20

https://twitter.com/defund_the/status/1274055863217590275?s=20

The media manipulating the masses for their political agenda. I'm shocked. They simply would not do that.

Try to manipulate that little piece of history I requested; just want to hear your thoughts on those events.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Yanky_Pollak/status/1274550602304028674?s=20


They couldn't even imagine how extreme the left would become and this just the beginning. With them silencing all dissent there is no limits to how extreme they can become.

[pad300]

Draw me a picture here. What was manipulated?

Also the guy with the blue thing. Is he jacking off with it as he stands in front of the car, what is he doing with it? What is the blue thing?

They were claiming it was a right wing hit and run attack,

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/npr-busted-framing-self-defense-getaway-gunmen-right-wing-vehicle-attack

When she stamped on the gas after the mob started to pull her out of the car...

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/zionist_report/status/1274337412181823489?s=20

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1274896246172315649?s=20

Waiting for Pop's message for black people.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1274521557889617921?s=20

"Silence is violence."

Waiting on Pop to speak up.

Still waiting on Pop to call out the billion dollar companies instituting racist policies.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275029296290168834?s=20

It's national news when a white person calls the police on a black person.

It's national news when a white high school kid in a Trump hat smirks at an asshole beating a drum in his face.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275104259869216770?s=20

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275104261114920961?s=20

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275104262629076996?s=20

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275104263899942914?s=20

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275104265669918722?s=20

Can't wait for mainstream propaganda to make it national news when a white person does anything to a black person.

[MultiTroll]

Can't wait for mainstream propaganda to make it national news when a white person does anything to a black person.
Pop will be pontificating on these, won't he?

[Phenomanul]

You could've just stated from the get go that you think systemic racism is a hoax , and we would just not have taken you seriously, much like we do with Nathan.

Oh there it is… the buzz word that aims to shut down all conversation.

I very clearly stated that racism exists (on multiple occasions). Attempting to paint everyone as a transgressor, however, is highly divisive and unjust. That’s why I called it a second wave of McCarthyism. Crying “systemic racism” today is tantamount to crying “communism” back in the 50s.

Define it. How much of the population is racist? 1%, 5%, 10%? 3 million people? 15 million people? 30 million people? More?

The claim of “systemic racism”, therefore, is an evasive dodge that doesn’t actually point to any specific problem that we as a society can work to resolve. No. It broadly claims that EVERYTHING is racist – and in that context nothing can actually change.

I am a realist. You are grossly mistaken if you feel that the prejudice of racism can be wholly eradicated from society (at the individual level). Ignorance and fear are unfortunately a part of the human element and will be among us until the day of judgement. Let's prosecute all hate crimes on a case by case basis. HOLD people accountable for their crimes. I just don't agree with claiming that a huge swath of society is "guilty" of the crime of racism simply for being born white. That broad claim is what is wrong with this movement.


But no, you had to come over here and start pointing fingers at black people for their problems, as if that somehow justifies the fact that they get largely and consistently discriminated. Sometimes even killed for being black.

Such a reductionist argument. I don’t condone any injustice and I certainly don’t justify discrimination.

Besides, you’re deflecting again.

Again, the issue that I’m debunking here is the claim that Black Americans are being targeted and hunted down by law enforcement officials based on race alone.

THAT CLAIM IS NOT TRUE.

For someone that claims to be very smart, you sure do have a problem understanding statistical pools and concept of statistical representation. There are 330 million Americans. You could highlight a George Floyd-type, unjust death at the hands of law enforcement every week for a year (the media would love this) AND IT STILL wouldn’t indicate a racially motivated problem, given that there are 375 million interactions with law enforcement officers every year and 38 million interactions with violent criminals. The pool is vastly larger than the police brutality tumor that resides within it.

What’s odd is that you apparently don’t care to call out any of the violence that is taking place on our streets of late. Many of it directed at white people simply for being white. You are content to keep suggesting that all of that violence is warranted. Such a good Marxist ideological soldier you are. That ideology certainly uses violence as a tool. Which brings me to my next point.

Do Black lives matter?

Of course they do.

But the Marxist garbage on the rest of BLM’s official platform is insidiously, if not overtly destructive.

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

We saw this dynamic play out in the Soviet Union as well. The power establishment seeks to break down the role of the family so that they can sweep in and usurp a position that doesn’t rightfully belong to them - all of this to ultimately gain control of people. Sadly all of the folks that did not agree with this dogma were sent to Soviet Gulags for “re-education”. Millions of dissenters were sent to those re-education camps, their property was unjustly absorbed by the State. Their children were also taken from them and handed over to the Soviet State for a “collectivist upbringing”. Over three million people died in the harsh squalor created by these camps since many of them were located in the inhospitable cold of Siberia.
From Wiki:


After the USSR dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. These archives contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953), around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag, some 390,000 deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s – with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.

This is precisely where we are headed as a nation under the current mob rule mentality.


Now, you come here to rant about Democrats. See what I mean? Exactly what I pointed out a few posts ago, you want to talk about everything but racism, because that entails some intellectual honesty and introspection, of which you have none.

IN the context of your hypocrisy spare me the virtue signaling. You have always avoided true introspection when it comes to evaluating the extent of the damage perpetrated by the Democratic Party upon Black communities. Party strategies are the only ones wanting to perpetuate the idea of racism – because any ‘race war’ keeps them in political power.


This isn't dogma. It's not some fairy tale like the bible where you get to pick and choose what that imaginary guy in the sky really meant. This is real life, with real implications from socioeconomic disadvantages to sometimes lost lives.

Of course it’s dogma. You believe in ‘systemic racism’ without tangible, quantifiable proof. Your claims hinge on nothing but anecdotal evidence (circumstantial as that is).

Why do you think that the movement relies on absorbing the very real plight of Black Americans during the period of slavery, the Jim Crow era and the Civil Rights era? Because innately oppressive laws simply don’t exist today. Because racism is not as pervasive today as it was in those eras. They need the very real, and disgraceful oppression from that period to light the torch of hatred in today’s Black community. The claim is certainly dogmatic.

Again I’ll repeat:

After we ask all white people to take a penitent knee for “the sins of their forefathers” perhaps we can ask them to wear a scarlet “W” on their chests.

[Atl Spur]

You guys aren’t serious........right? You didn’t know ALL black people are angles and can do no wrong? That’s what the conversation wasn’t about...... You say it enough, it becomes your truth! Sad fellas......you can do better than this.

[Atl Spur]

Oh there it is… the buzz word that aims to shut down all conversation.

I very clearly stated that racism exists (on multiple occasions). Attempting to paint everyone as a transgressor, however, is highly divisive and unjust. That’s why I called it a second wave of McCarthyism. Crying “systemic racism” today is tantamount to crying “communism” back in the 50s.

Define it. How much of the population is racist? 1%, 5%, 10%? 3 million people? 15 million people? 30 million people? More?

The claim of “systemic racism”, therefore, is an evasive dodge that doesn’t actually point to any specific problem that we as a society can work to resolve. No. It broadly claims that EVERYTHING is racist – and in that context nothing can actually change.

I am a realist. You are grossly mistaken if you feel that the prejudice of racism can be wholly eradicated from society (at the individual level). Ignorance and fear are unfortunately a part of the human element and will be among us until the day of judgement. Let's prosecute all hate crimes on a case by case basis. HOLD people accountable for their crimes. I just don't agree with claiming that a huge swath of society is "guilty" of the crime of racism simply for being born white. That broad claim is what is wrong with this movement.



Such a reductionist argument. I don’t condone any injustice and I certainly don’t justify discrimination.

Besides, you’re deflecting again.

Again, the issue that I’m debunking here is the claim that Black Americans are being targeted and hunted down by law enforcement officials based on race alone.

THAT CLAIM IS NOT TRUE.

For someone that claims to be very smart, you sure do have a problem understanding statistical pools and concept of statistical representation. There are 330 million Americans. You could highlight a George Floyd-type, unjust death at the hands of law enforcement every week for a year (the media would love this) AND IT STILL wouldn’t indicate a racially motivated problem, given that there are 375 million interactions with law enforcement officers every year and 38 million interactions with violent criminals. The pool is vastly larger than the police brutality tumor that resides within it.

What’s odd is that you apparently don’t care to call out any of the violence that is taking place on our streets of late. Many of it directed at white people simply for being white. You are content to keep suggesting that all of that violence is warranted. Such a good Marxist ideological soldier you are. That ideology certainly uses violence as a tool. Which brings me to my next point.

Do Black lives matter?

Of course they do.

But the Marxist garbage on the rest of BLM’s official platform is insidiously, if not overtly destructive.

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

We saw this dynamic play out in the Soviet Union as well. The power establishment seeks to break down the role of the family so that they can sweep in and usurp a position that doesn’t rightfully belong to them - all of this to ultimately gain control of people. Sadly all of the folks that did not agree with this dogma were sent to Soviet Gulags for “re-education”. Millions of dissenters were sent to those re-education camps, their property was unjustly absorbed by the State. Their children were also taken from them and handed over to the Soviet State for a “collectivist upbringing”. Over three million people died in the harsh squalor created by these camps since many of them were located in the inhospitable cold of Siberia.
From Wiki:



This is precisely where we are headed as a nation under the current mob rule mentality.



IN the context of your hypocrisy spare me the virtue signaling. You have always avoided true introspection when it comes to evaluating the extent of the damage perpetrated by the Democratic Party upon Black communities. Party strategies are the only ones wanting to perpetuate the idea of racism – because any ‘race war’ keeps them in political power.



Of course it’s dogma. You believe in ‘systemic racism’ without tangible, quantifiable proof. Your claims hinge on nothing but anecdotal evidence (circumstantial as that is).

Why do you think that the movement relies on absorbing the very real plight of Black Americans during the period of slavery, the Jim Crow era and the Civil Rights era? Because innately oppressive laws simply don’t exist today. Because racism is not as pervasive today as it was in those eras. They need the very real oppression from that period to light the torch of hatred in today’s Black community. The claim is certainly dogmatic.

Again I’ll repeat:

After we ask all white people to take a penitent knee for “the sins of their forefathers” perhaps we can ask them to wear scarlet “W” on their chests.
Dude are you really not going to address the volatile history and mistreatment of black people in this country? Own your stuff.... history is NOT on your side of the discussion. And yeah, someone always pay for the sins of the farther..... so, will that be cash or card?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1275204372738142208?s=20

White guilt is pathetic. Someone inform Pop.

[Phenomanul]

Dude are you really not going to address the volatile history and mistreatment of black people in this country? Own your stuff.... history is NOT on your side of the discussion. And yeah, someone always pay for the sins of the farther..... so, will that be cash or card?

Own what stuff?

“History is NOT on my side of the discussion”

I’m Mexican, and can trace my ancestry to before the time when Texas became a state. My forefathers weren’t involved in the slave trade in any capacity. I don’t owe anything to the Black American community. Not even an apology. They deserve the compassion and dignity that any other human deserves.

That’s why the concept of reparations is very complex. Find everyone directly accountable for the oppression of Black Americans and there might be a handful of corporations that operated in those times. As corporations they might be held liable for their “direct” actions. When attempting to collect from the broader population at large, however, who would be held accountable? Less than than 4% of the people that lived in the former Confederacy were wealthy enough to even “own” slaves. Maybe if you found direct descendants a claim might stick. The problem is that proponents of reparations have gone as far as suggesting that everyone be taxed as proper restitution for the plight of the Black Community. The logistics for any such plan would be unfair to many people though. And then you would have to determine who the direct beneficiaries of such a plan would be - which is not an easy task either.

[ElNono]

Oh there it is… the buzz word that aims to shut down all conversation.

...

Do Black lives matter?
Of course they do.

There's no shutting down any conversation words... your previous post made it seem that you thought systemic racism simply didn't exist. If that were to be the case, then I don't even know why would you be posting here.

Look, the bolded above is what matters. We can't say "All lives matter" if we implicitly don't actually acknowledge that black lives do. Otherwise, it's a logical fallacy.

I don't subscribe to the whole BLM political platform either, and I don't think Pop is asking you to either. However, recognizing that there's systemic racism in certain areas that discriminate based on color (and other forms of discrimination, like sex, etc) is a first important step in eradicating it.

If we can't even agree to the fact that there's statistically provable and pervasive systemic racial discrimination (as big or as little as it might be), then this is simply a conversation we can't have.

If we do agree that racism exist, it's wrong, and we should be better at calling it out, and getting rid of it, then by all means we should. Silence is being complicit. Excuses are even worse.

[ElNono]

Own what stuff?

“History is NOT on my side of the discussion”

I’m Mexican, and can trace my ancestry to before the time when Texas became a state. My forefathers weren’t involved in the slave trade in any capacity. I don’t owe anything to the Black American community. Not even an apology. They deserve the compassion and dignity that any other human deserves.

That’s why the concept of reparations is very complex. Find everyone directly accountable for the oppression of Black Americans and there might be a handful of corporations that operated in those times. As corporations they might be held liable for their “direct” actions. When attempting to collect from the broader population at large, however, who would be held accountable? Less than than 4% of the people that lived in the former Confederacy were wealthy enough to even “own” slaves. Maybe if you found direct descendants a claim might stick. The problem is that proponents of reparations have gone as far as suggest that everyone be taxed as proper restitution for the plight of the Black Community. The logistics for any such plan would be unfair to many people though. And then you would have to determine who the direct beneficiaries of such a plan would be.

I think Texas should go back to Mexico, tbh... IMVHO...

[Atl Spur]

Own what stuff?

“History is NOT on my side of the discussion”

I’m Mexican, and can trace my ancestry to before the time when Texas became a state. My forefathers weren’t involved in the slave trade in any capacity. I don’t owe anything to the Black American community. Not even an apology. They deserve the compassion and dignity that any other human deserves.

That’s why the concept of reparations is very complex. Find everyone directly accountable for the oppression of Black Americans and there might be a handful of corporations that operated in those times. As corporations they might be held liable for their “direct” actions. When attempting to collect from the broader population at large, however, who would be held accountable? Less than than 4% of the people that lived in the former Confederacy were wealthy enough to even “own” slaves. Maybe if you found direct descendants a claim might stick. The problem is that proponents of reparations have gone as far as suggest that everyone be taxed as proper restitution for the plight of the Black Community. The logistics for any such plan would be unfair to many people though. And then you would have to determine who the direct beneficiaries of such a plan would be.

I won’t make this too difficult, if those shoes don’t fit I wouldn’t sweat it. We don’t need apologies from you or anyone else, I just would like everyone to know our history before spouting off. I’m not Mexican but I am from San Antonio; I love that city and All of its inhabitants. Out of respect, I wouldn’t dare run my mouth about the plight of Mexican people without knowing their journey.....that’s just me. My homies that are Mexican have always been standup dudes; respect begets respect.

[Atl Spur]

It’s not hard to figure out compensation to Black people; you just gotta want to do it. They’ve had a century plus to figure it out but yet excuses come easier. 4 Centuries yo? Bruh........stop playing! Who really should not fool with who based off history?

[Atl Spur]

They hung black people and shoved their genitals in their mouths.....true story! So when I see young White,Latino,Asian,Black kids standing up for justice of the same group of people terrorized since their arrival to this land, it speaks to ones courage & humility. They didn’t have to do it but they did..... keep your apology we prefer your actions.

[Nathan89]

It spoke to their courage in the 60s. Nothing on display now involves courage. The people are an uninformed mob.

[Nathan89]

If you have billion dollar companies instituting racist policies. If you have the media hiding stories/propping up stories to benefit your narrative. If you have to constantly look at history. Maybe you aren't such a victim.

[Nathan89]

Maybe if big government policies that hurt blacks that people champion to this day weren't instituted then things would be a lot better for everyone. Nah, let's avoid responsibility.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1275263713839202304?s=20

"It's just a statue."

Pattern recognition.

[Atl Spur]

Lol....Bravo!

[Atl Spur]

I have just a simple request; can you provide that data for me requested above? The 60’s......yeah that’s where we should pick up this story! Lol

[Phenomanul]

I think Texas should go back to Mexico, tbh... IMVHO...

Nah...

As a Mexican born, U.S. Citizen I often grappled with the "injustice" of how a fake skirmish across the Nueces River led to the U.S. Army march upon Mexico City and the theft (for a petty sum of money) of the land that now comprises the States of California, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado and parts of Oklahoma and Texas (this after Texas 'won' their own independence from Mexico via "a glorified militarization of squatters"). More so when discovering that the U.S. Government already knew that gold existed in California (before the famous find at Sutter's Mill). However, when I matured enough to understand that history is very complex and not always "black and white" it dawned on me that under U.S. sovereignty those states were actually allowed to prosper. Think about that for a second.

If they had stayed under Mexican sovereignty - in a hypothetical alternate timeline - there is no way that the resources would have been managed with the same level of stewardship. Said resources would have been squandered by the same crony types that have squandered the great resources in Mexico. The lands would be overrun by drug cartel mafias today. The land itself owned by the "political nobility" and their descendants.

You see (and I've said this before on plenty of occasions), I absolutely love Mexico: its history, its folklore, its rich cuisine, its music, its sights, its beaches and mountains, its weather, its art and architecture, its people and its culture. You even know that I happen to cheer their fútbol teams over any other nation's, including the U.S. You know what I absolutely despise though? I hate Mexico's brand of government. Its socialist inclinations are what have wreaked havoc upon the Mexican people over the past several decades to the point where they have been forced to emigrate into the U.S. seeking better opportunities. Meanwhile the crony thieves (otherwise known as Mexican politicians) have reaped the benefits of this dynamic. From their vantage point when more people leave the country then they are able to steal more money from the land and have to manage less people. So they inherently have no vested interest in preventing the mass exodus (especially when many of the migrant families that work in the U.S. send billions of dollars back to Mexico - which of course gets funneled back to the government via ridiculous taxation rates, and back to the pockets of the politician-thieves via egregious loop holes).

[Atl Spur]

Please watch Jane Elliott......YouTube her. Nathan

[Nathan89]

I've seen Jane Elliot videos

[ElNono]

Nah...

As a Mexican born, U.S. Citizen I often grappled with the "injustice" of how a fake skirmish across the Nueces River led to the U.S. Army march upon Mexico City and the theft (for a petty sum of money) of the land that now comprises the States of California, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado and parts of Oklahoma and Texas (this after Texas 'won' their own independence from Mexico via "a glorified militarization of squatters"). More so when discovering that the U.S. Government already knew that gold existed in California (before the famous find at Sutter's Mill). However, when I matured enough to understand that history is very complex and not always "black and white" it dawned on me that under U.S. sovereignty those states were actually allowed to prosper. Think about that for a second.

If they had stayed under Mexican sovereignty - in a hypothetical alternate timeline - there is no way that the resources would have been managed with the same level of stewardship. Said resources would have been squandered by the same crony types that have squandered the great resources in Mexico. The lands would be overrun by drug cartel mafias today. The land itself owned by the "political nobility" and their descendants.

You see (and I've said this before on plenty of occasions), I absolutely love Mexico: its history, its folklore, its rich cuisine, its music, its sights, its beaches and mountains, its weather, its art and architecture, its people and its culture. You even know that I happen to cheer their fútbol teams over any other nation's, including the U.S. You know what I absolutely despise though? I hate Mexico's brand of government. Its socialist inclinations are what have wreaked havoc upon the Mexican people over the past several decades to the point where they have been forced to emigrate into the U.S. seeking better opportunities. Meanwhile the crony thieves (otherwise known as Mexican politicians) have reaped the benefits of this dynamic. From their vantage point when more people leave the country then they are able to steal more money from the land and have to manage less people. So they inherently have no vested interest in preventing the mass exodus (especially when many of the migrant families that work in the U.S. send billions of dollars back to Mexico - which of course gets funneled back to the government via ridiculous taxation rates, and back to the pockets of the politician-thieves via egregious loop holes).

Corruption is a common theme in the Americas, tbh... we will disagree that's necessarily connected to an economic/political system in general (we've had plenty of capitalist experiments too that were extremely corrupt and left people more poor than when they started, but I digress).

Large scale corruption and that narcissistic thirst of unchecked power is all too familiar, tbh, thus the reason to be truly concerned with this administration in the US. Fortunately the military doesn't appear it'll go with it, which is one major difference with the more corrupt countries.

[ElNono]

It spoke to their courage in the 60s. Nothing on display now involves courage. The people are an uninformed mob.

There was nothing courageous about the 60s, tbh. The Vietnam war was an utter failure that costs too many American lives and produced perhaps the worst generation of bitter, entitled old people this country has ever seen.

We're way, way better in almost every measurable standard now, which is why we're not heading back that way.

[Atl Spur]

I've seen Jane Elliot videos

We don’t believe you, you need more people! Do you agree with her?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275542777338761218?s=20

Another race baiting noose hoax/absolute morons seeing racism everywhere. It was like a week ago where morons were claiming there was a noose in the park in Cali. It turned out to be a colorful rope that some black guy put in the park for people to play with. It looked nothing like a noose. Look like a swing people setup by rivers.

[Nathan89]

The demand for racism far exceeds the supply.

[Nathan89]

You can bet all your money that the story about it not being a noose isn't going to reach the people at the same scale as the original story. They'll continue to believe it was some racist I this racist country sending a message. This is the false information they continuously intake and never hear the truth. This is why they are in the streets based on a warped worldview.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275545028035850241?s=20:lol

[Joseph Kony]

lol triggered loser talking to himself :lmao

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1275520266223808512?s=20

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1275495512976887808?s=20

I'm glad they ran the numbers and determined non-white people are more at risk from wearing a mask in this racist country than wearing a mask during the pandemic. This is a warped worldview at work and people are going to die because of it.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1275527981470035969?s=20 yikes

[GAustex]

https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1275527981470035969?s=20 yikes
There are no words for this other than insanity

[Atl Spur]

Still no videos? I’ll check back later

[ElNono]

I'm glad they ran the numbers and determined non-white people are more at risk from wearing a mask in this racist country than wearing a mask during the pandemic. This is a warped worldview at work and people are going to die because of it.

It's unfortunate it has come to this, tbh, but it's certainly the byproduct of racial profiling people of color are subject to when covering their faces with a bandana, etc. This is why people like you ruin it for everybody.

[Nathan89]

It's unfortunate it has come to this, tbh, but it's certainly the byproduct of racial profiling people of color are subject to when covering their faces with a bandana, etc. This is why people like you ruin it for everybody.

You are as disingenuous as they come tbh

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1275631112551903238?s=20

Still claiming it was a noose. This is absolutely sickening. These people want to be victims and they don't care about the damage to our society that occurs in the process.

[Nathan89]

Every news network and sports station should call out that bullshit. Really goes to show it's all about the race baiting narrative.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/TheView/status/1275459668626878466?s=20

Only the simple minded that are afraid of çhange can see the endless stream of race baiting hoaxes.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1275585428230471680?s=20
Down goes Jefferson.
Down goes Lincoln.
Down goes America.

[ElNono]

You are as disingenuous as they come tbh

Nothing disingenuous about it, it's spelled right there on the order that you didn't read.

[Atl Spur]

Nathan, do you agree or disagree with Jane Elliott?

[dbestpro]

I got an email from linkedin on attending an online seminar on how to support BLM and cultural diversity through hiring practices.

It struck me how messed up things really are when you need training on how to hire a black man.

[dbestpro]

There are no words for this other than insanity

The white liberal................Malcolm X warned us.

[Nathan89]

I got an email from linkedin on attending an online seminar on how to support BLM and cultural diversity through hiring practices.

It struck me how messed up things really are when you need training on how to hire a black man.

You are making the assumption that just because this training exists that it is "needed" and therefore an indication of how "messed up things" are.

[Nathan89]

Nothing disingenuous about it, it's spelled right there on the order that you didn't read.

Thanks for telling me what I read.

[pad300]

I got an email from linkedin on attending an online seminar on how to support BLM and cultural diversity through hiring practices.

It struck me how messed up things really are when you need training on how to hire a black man.

Someone is making money selling seminars...

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/status/1275321545498468353?s=20

[dbestpro]

You are making the assumption that just because this training exists that it is "needed" and therefore an indication of how "messed up things" are.

Point is training on how to hire a black man should not be needed if society saw the working value of a black man. Is also strikes me that is always are the liberal driven companies that have no black leadership. None.

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/status/1275321545498468353?s=20

What’s up Nathan? You didn’t answer my question big guy.

[ElNono]

Thanks for telling me what I read.

So what was disingenuous abut what I posted? Or were you lying?

[ZeusWillJudge]

I see white people.

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/11/813/9813011.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixedmartialarts.com%2Fforum s%2FOtherGround%2FIt-was-a-noose-whether-tied-in-2019-or-whatever%3A2832241-2%2F&psig=AOvVaw1NgnpGz8HfqA6LyY3ptdSi&ust=1593150167662000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCOD-74GhnOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABADhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fkansas %2Fboard%2F103734%2FContents%2Fdefund-nascar-148414718%2F%3Fpage%3D8&psig=AOvVaw1qfYzXppuGcoI_7mGnJyvd&ust=1593150257978000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjYqrKhnOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAQ

[FrostKing]

They hung black people and shoved their genitals in their mouths.....true story! So when I see young White,Latino,Asian,Black kids standing up for justice of the same group of people terrorized since their arrival to this land, it speaks to ones courage & humility. They didn’t have to do it but they did..... keep your apology we prefer your actions.
Mussolini faced the same faith. This generation and beyond do not seem the most attention to detail unless there is a Like attached

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1276083334838288386?s=20

The police don't even carry guns over there.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1274791321090297858?s=20

[ZeusWillJudge]

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

A lot of the SJW's in the world (and here) have no idea what that even means. They have no greater pleasure in life than silencing anyone who disagrees with them. Get them de-platformed. Fired from their jobs. Cancel culture.

The saddest thing of all is that they were never taught any history. That thought process of eliminating dissent is the very root of fascism. Some really think they are fighting fascists, when the truth is they ARE fascists.

Some of them are right here.

[Atl Spur]

I see white people.

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/11/813/9813011.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixedmartialarts.com%2Fforum s%2FOtherGround%2FIt-was-a-noose-whether-tied-in-2019-or-whatever%3A2832241-2%2F&psig=AOvVaw1NgnpGz8HfqA6LyY3ptdSi&ust=1593150167662000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCOD-74GhnOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABADhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fkansas %2Fboard%2F103734%2FContents%2Fdefund-nascar-148414718%2F%3Fpage%3D8&psig=AOvVaw1qfYzXppuGcoI_7mGnJyvd&ust=1593150257978000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjYqrKhnOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAQ

Where have you been? I’ve missed your informative takes. Burning cross .....hmmmm. Oh, I see what you did there:) Good job big guy!! Next time don’t stay away so long.

[Atl Spur]

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

A lot of the SJW's in the world (and here) have no idea what that even means. They have no greater pleasure in life than silencing anyone who disagrees with them. Get them de-platformed. Fired from their jobs. Cancel culture.

The saddest thing of all is that they were never taught any history. That thought process of eliminating dissent is the very root of fascism. Some really think they are fighting fascists, when the truth is they ARE fascists.

Some of them are right here.
I actually served this country and have a pretty good understanding I think. What branch did you serve?

[exstatic]

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

A lot of the SJW's in the world (and here) have no idea what that even means. They have no greater pleasure in life than silencing anyone who disagrees with them. Get them de-platformed. Fired from their jobs. Cancel culture.

The saddest thing of all is that they were never taught any history. That thought process of eliminating dissent is the very root of fascism. Some really think they are fighting fascists, when the truth is they ARE fascists.

Some of them are right here.

It’s funny, because photos were published today, and NASCAR confirms that it was, in fact, a noose. By gaslighting, and posting your cute little picture of a lug wrench, you’re the one attempting to silence.

[Atl Spur]

That noose actually looked like a noose and less like a garage door pull down. It appeared to be the standard pull down to you I take it.

[exstatic]

That noose actually looked like a noose and less like a garage door pull down. It appeared to be the standard pull down to you I take it.

NASCAR says it was a noose. The FBI said it was a noose, in writing.

[Atl Spur]

Zeus, I worry about you.

[Atl Spur]

NASCAR says it was a noose. The FBI said it was a noose, in writing.

Don’t come on here spitting facts!! That’s a pull down.......or a 1800’s swing for slaves let Zeus or Nathan tell it! Those guys....

[ZeusWillJudge]

It’s funny, because photos were published today, and NASCAR confirms that it was, in fact, a noose. By gaslighting, and posting your cute little picture of a lug wrench, you’re the one attempting to silence.


It had been there since at least last October, you fucking moron. And if you read, you would know that they had a hook that they put the loop over so that the door couldn't be raised overnight. It had nothing to do with hanging anyone, or threats of hanging anyone, or images of hanging anyone. And it sure the fuck had nothing to do with Bubba Smollett, since it was there long before there was any idea he would use that garage.

This was called a noose, too, by people who were just as adamant. And it got national attention as a "possible hate crime". And even your dumb ass knows that's what this is supposed to be about. Nice try at deflecting, but no.

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/06/plastic-wrap-640x480.jpg

[ZeusWillJudge]

Don’t come on here spitting facts!! That’s a pull down.......or a 1800’s swing for slaves let Zeus or Nathan tell it! Those guys....


Hey, if you're that fragile, I'm not going to contribute to your fears. Just put me on ignore.

[ZeusWillJudge]

"But...but... they really ARE KKK hoods. Just for really small heads."
"I'm fragile, and I'm triggered, and I'm really about to cry."



https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/Ko8F0xa4.jpeg

[ZeusWillJudge]

I saw something that triggered me. Waaah.

Okay, I didn't really see it. But I heard about it. Waahh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/12383816-3x2-940x627.jpg

[ZeusWillJudge]

Where have you been? I’ve missed your informative takes. Burning cross .....hmmmm. Oh, I see what you did there:) Good job big guy!! Next time don’t stay away so long.


I call out bullshit whenever I see it. There are problem in this country that need to be fixed. Bubba Smollett's garage door pull isn't one of them.

He's a goddam opportunist stealing the spotlight from things that are really important.
And you two? You're just pussies.

[exstatic]

https://i.insider.com/5ef4d179aee6a85fcf6dedc3?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

[spurraider21]

I see white people.

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/11/813/9813011.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixedmartialarts.com%2Fforum s%2FOtherGround%2FIt-was-a-noose-whether-tied-in-2019-or-whatever%3A2832241-2%2F&psig=AOvVaw1NgnpGz8HfqA6LyY3ptdSi&ust=1593150167662000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCOD-74GhnOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABADhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fkansas %2Fboard%2F103734%2FContents%2Fdefund-nascar-148414718%2F%3Fpage%3D8&psig=AOvVaw1qfYzXppuGcoI_7mGnJyvd&ust=1593150257978000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjYqrKhnOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAQ
i dont understand this meme. wallace (or his crew, rather) did not mistake some random object for a noose. they saw a noose. what they didnt know is the circumstances of how it got there, which did not turn out to be problematic

[spurraider21]

https://i.insider.com/5ef4d179aee6a85fcf6dedc3?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp
https://i.gyazo.com/290c52c52856759a9f84473f0ddf7079.png

[wingster]

https://i.gyazo.com/290c52c52856759a9f84473f0ddf7079.png

None of the other knots were fashioned like Bubba's was. And for one that's apparently been there since October...looks quite new.

[spurraider21]

None of the other knots were fashioned like Bubba's was. And for one that's apparently been there since October...looks quite new.
im willing to buy that it was there since october and therefore not directed at wallace. i dont blame him for reacting the way he did given what the last month had been like

[FrostKing]

im willing to buy that it was there since october and therefore not directed at wallace. i dont blame him for reacting the way he did given what the last month had been like
Bubba was approached with a conspiracy and had his time on the growing soap box.

[Atl Spur]

Zeus, play nice. Now answer my question if you could friend. I know there are none more patriotic than you and our president; which branch did you serve? Pussy....me? I’ve seen a few in this lifetime but I wouldn’t consider myself one.

[Atl Spur]

The only noose used as a pull down in all the garages across nascar but that seem suspicious huh? Like I said, to some of you that’s just a slave hammock!

[Atl Spur]

https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/Ko8F0xa4.jpeg

Wow.......that’s creative! I never said that but somehow you created a fake post! Good deal!

[Nathan89]

https://youtu.be/hG9iG0cSjbc

If you are shocked about what is going on then you should realize this has been a long time coming. This 14 min video is 24 years old and the founder of PayPal, Peter Thiel, is speaking on the issue as accurately as if the video was made today. And in the video he speaks to this happening for a long time previous to this 24yo video.

[DMC]

The only noose used as a pull down in all the garages across nascar but that seem suspicious huh? Like I said, to some of you that’s just a slave hammock!

Just summarize your noise in one post Afrovante.

[Atl Spur]

Just summarize your noise in one post Afrovante.

Thanks for your insight and your service! Which branch did you serve again? After college or before? How many employees do you have? Super interested in your life outside of being a message board hero.

[pad300]

Hey, a ATL Spur, Exstatic, read this, it's not too long:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/statues-woke-breaking-point-law-of-merited-impossibility/

What is your Woke breaking point? What would make you say "This is nuts!'?

[pad300]

As public disclosure, my own "Woke breaking point", got passed a long time ago. It's when it turns into a riot. I'm willing to see marches, protests, etc. of all kinds. Start burning buildings, looting and assaulting people... You've passed my tolerance.

[Atl Spur]

As public disclosure, my own "Woke breaking point", got passed a long time ago. It's when it turns into a riot. I'm willing to see marches, protests, etc. of all kinds. Start burning buildings, looting and assaulting people... You've passed my tolerance.

Sir woke moment? I’ve been Black my whole life living in the south.... so I guess 30yrs ago. Quit trying to lump everything together, I don’t condone harming others or taking things you haven’t worked for. But let’s be clear, white collar looting goes on daily and is far more damaging/impactful than any of what you are experiencing now. I say again, quit starting the story from the here and now.......educate yourself to the whole story. Have you invested any time to learn Black American history?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/McNeilJaden/status/1276255988732039168?s=20

A lot of leftist and black fragility in the comments tbh:smchode:

[Nathan89]

https://youtu.be/hG9iG0cSjbc

If you are shocked about what is going on then you should realize this has been a long time coming. This 14 min video is 24 years old and the founder of PayPal, Peter Thiel, is speaking on the issue as accurately as if the video was made today. And in the video he speaks to this happening for a long time previous to this 24yo video.

Must watch video. One must recognize how long this ideology has been trying to destroy our country to realize what you are up against.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1276260187368681472?s=20

The unfortunate reality of what is taking place.

[Atl Spur]

400+ years have a way of affecting people generationally! If you don’t agree, find me 1 white person on the opposite side of the argument willing to be treated like their black American counterparts this day in age let alone through out that slavery Jim Crowe time period! Shit, we did the cooking isn’t only fair we get to buy the groceries? America should be ashamed...... I served this country and didn’t just take, take, and take some more! Lazy blacks......that’s an oxymoron; they just taking that break our ancestors weren’t allowed! I challenge these LAZY clowns on this board to explain to us what their contributions have been to this great country.....probably nothing ( they just happened to be born here ).

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/McNeilJaden/status/1276255988732039168?s=20

A lot of leftist and black fragility in the comments tbh:smchode:
Still waiting to hear your contributions; sitting on the sideline doesn’t count! Fragile? Bitch, yeah you, you aren’t built for this! This system protects you.....don’t ever forget that!! Anytime you want to test that theory leave the suburbs you clown��
Posting videos of others, what have you done? Why isn’t anyone using your dumb ass as a reference?

[Nathan89]

"Lazy blacks......that’s an oxymoron; they just taking that break our ancestors weren’t allowed!"

Thanks for the insight.:lmao

[Atl Spur]

"Lazy blacks......that’s an oxymoron; they just taking that break our ancestors weren’t allowed!"

Thanks for the insight.:lmao
It’s all there, google it! White can’t save you from facts or history! I’m waiting on your contributions....... deflect , deflect, deflect! The board is waiting.......

[Atl Spur]

Comprehension is not your strength; I’ll help you but you got to say pretty please!

[Nathan89]

There was nothing misunderstood about your awful take tbh.

[Atl Spur]

There was nothing misunderstood about your awful take tbh.

Can someone help him find his balls? It’s not a take......it’s history. lol

[Atl Spur]

Scary ass dude! What have YOU contributed to this country?

[Atl Spur]

I just want you to be a big boy and get off the potty! Stand up and piss.

[ElNono]

NAdolph trying to change hearts and minds one terrible tweet after another, lmao. Yet to put forward a coherent thought of his own, even more so related to the OP.

[Atl Spur]

They always got so much to say.......until they don’t!

[pad300]

Sir woke moment? I’ve been Black my whole life living in the south.... so I guess 30yrs ago. Quit trying to lump everything together, I don’t condone harming others or taking things you haven’t worked for. But let’s be clear, white collar looting goes on daily and is far more damaging/impactful than any of what you are experiencing now. I say again, quit starting the story from the here and now.......educate yourself to the whole story. Have you invested any time to learn Black American history?

I take it you didn't read the link? Your "Woke Breaking Point" - what would the BLM/ANTIFA/the radical Left have to do, before you would say they are going to far?

[Atl Spur]

I take it you didn't read the link? Your "Woke Breaking Point" - what would the BLM/ANTIFA/the radical Left have to do, before you would say they are going to far?

Comedic gold on this board...... totally ignored what you refuse to face.

[Nathan89]

"Lazy blacks......that’s an oxymoron; they just taking that break our ancestors weren’t allowed!"

Thanks for the insight.:lmao

This is a take. A moronic one at that. You'd have to be one disingenuous person to classify this as "history".

[Atl Spur]

Not to bright that Nathan........

[wildbill2u]

A lot of strife and grief would be ended if we could let go of the theory that people are somehow guilty of whatever crimes their forefathers committed in different centuries. I have a message for Pop. He might look at the constant and continuing strife betgween the Serbs and the Croats in his own heritage. Especially since he has one Serb parent and one Croat parent. Does he somehow assess blame for endless crimes against humanities to his parents and grandparents. Anti-Semitism is derived from the ancient argument that the Jews were "Christ Killers". African tribes continue warfare against each other because of ancient tribal grievances. Islam goes after religious infidels.

We can all do better. But we have to try to bridge gaps, not explode through them with hate in our hearts and guns in our hands.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/mikehenrybro/status/1276631712949317639?s=20

The left has lost it. Absolute clowns.

[Atl Spur]

[QUOTE=wildbill2u;10180706]A lot of strife and grief would be ended if we could let go of the theory that people are somehow guilty of whatever crimes their forefathers committed in different centuries. I have a message for Pop. He might look at the constant and continuing strife betgween the Serbs and the Croats in his own heritage. Especially since he has one Serb parent and one Croat parent. Does he somehow assess blame for endless crimes against humanities to his parents and grandparents. Anti-Semitism is derived from the ancient argument that the Jews were "Christ Killers". African tribes continue warfare against each other because of ancient tribal grievances. Islam goes after religious infidels.

We can all do better. But we have to try to bridge gaps, not explode through them with hate in our hearts and guns in our hands.[/QU


Can you tell me about the Tuskegee studies? Would you trade places with black people in regards to treatment from the past to present day?

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/mikehenrybro/status/1276631712949317639?s=20

The left has lost it. Absolute clowns.

Still avoiding all the questions

[Atl Spur]

Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face..... don’t allow your hate & greed to undo all that has been accomplished in North America. The clock is ticking....children pay for the sins of the farther.

[Atl Spur]

It’s just history......

[Nathan89]

"children pay for the sins of the farther"

Anyone that supports this is an absolute moron.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/mikehenrybro/status/1276631712949317639?s=20

The left has lost it. Absolute clowns.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1276643353354997760?s=20

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Not in leftist America.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1276650790678036480?s=20

Clear as day hate crime but black "privilege" saved the day.

[Nathan89]

Hate crime is bullshit though.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1276682476337823745?s=20

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/wlctv_ca/status/1276692515660410882?s=20

These people are truly despicable and they think they can create a better country.:lol

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1276650790678036480?s=20

Clear as day hate crime but black "privilege" saved the day.


Hate crime is bullshit though.

You sound upset, let all that anger out.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/wlctv_ca/status/1276692515660410882?s=20

These people are truly despicable and they think they can create a better country.:lol

How can you tell from that video they're the antifa boogeyman? Do they wear an Antifa lapel pin, or something?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1276652326552367104?s=20

The BLM cult has no time for this man.

[dbestpro]

The Black Lives Matter narrative has been totally stolen by white liberals. It really is insulting.

[wildbill2u]

[QUOTE=wildbill2u;10180706]A lot of strife and grief would be ended if we could let go of the theory that people are somehow guilty of whatever crimes their forefathers committed in different centuries. I have a message for Pop. He might look at the constant and continuing strife betgween the Serbs and the Croats in his own heritage. Especially since he has one Serb parent and one Croat parent. Does he somehow assess blame for endless crimes against humanities to his parents and grandparents. Anti-Semitism is derived from the ancient argument that the Jews were "Christ Killers". African tribes continue warfare against each other because of ancient tribal grievances. Islam goes after religious infidels.

We can all do better. But we have to try to bridge gaps, not explode through them with hate in our hearts and guns in our hands.[/QU


Can you tell me about the Tuskegee studies? Would you trade places with black people in regards to treatment from the past to present day?

I actually know quite a bit about black history. I understand the underpinning of black counter-racism. Today, there are far more assaults on whites by blacks apparently trying to get back at the "Polar Bears" by assaulting white men and women with blitz attacks. In most media those people responsible for the attacks are just reported as "youths" I don't know that papering over the truth of black on white violence brings us closer together, but that just seems to be part of the bill we are all still paying for past wrongs. If you feel that it helps as reparations, then support them.

[OldMan88]

Suspect #12 looks familiar.

https://i0.wp.com/jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/30102076-8464541-President_Trump_on_Friday_tweeted_an_FBI_wanted_po ster_showing_1-a-92_1593238947275.jpg?w=962&ssl=1

[ElNono]

Suspect #12 looks familiar.

https://i0.wp.com/jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/30102076-8464541-President_Trump_on_Friday_tweeted_an_FBI_wanted_po ster_showing_1-a-92_1593238947275.jpg?w=962&ssl=1

smh white people

[Atl Spur]

[QUOTE=Atl Spur;10180885]

I actually know quite a bit about black history. I understand the underpinning of black counter-racism. Today, there are far more assaults on whites by blacks apparently trying to get back at the "Polar Bears" by assaulting white men and women with blitz attacks. In most media those people responsible for the attacks are just reported as "youths" I don't know that papering over the truth of black on white violence brings us closer together, but that just seems to be part of the bill we are all still paying for past wrongs. If you feel that it helps as reparations, then support them.


I asked you a simple question ....... damn dude, not you too!

[Atl Spur]

Wild Bill 2 U......... it was a simple question; hopefully everyone can & will choose to take time and read the information ( history ) readily available to us. If you know as much as you claim to, the majority of the “takes” on this board should repulse you from a humanity standpoint if for no other reason. Tell me about your feelings on Tuskegee if you will......

[tmtcsc]

Interesting. Who are the Simpson's going to get to play the "yellow" characters - not Asian but "yellow" ? Some people in this country - Pop included - need to get over themselves. White people are walking around guilt-ridden for the color of their skin. Fuck that. If you're a good person, you're a good person. Nobody has to pay for the sins of their fathers. If that was the case, you'd need to start blaming the Africans who sold their brothers to European slave traders.

[Atl Spur]

Interesting. Who are the Simpson's going to get to play the "yellow" characters - not Asian but "yellow" ? Some people in this country - Pop included - need to get over themselves. White people are walking around guilt-ridden for the color of their skin. Fuck that. If you're a good person, you're a good person. Nobody has to pay for the sins of their fathers. If that was the case, you'd need to start blaming the Africans who sold their brothers to European slave traders.

Ok......

[ZeusWillJudge]

Pop should be the new spokesman for Papa John's. He's super-woke... and he has pizza right there on his face.


:pop: "Pop-A-John's. Take a knee bitch!"

:pop: "At Pop-A-Johns, nothing on our pizzas is orange." :lol

[Atl Spur]

Come on guys, get it together!

[DMC]

Suspect #12 looks familiar.

https://i0.wp.com/jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/30102076-8464541-President_Trump_on_Friday_tweeted_an_FBI_wanted_po ster_showing_1-a-92_1593238947275.jpg?w=962&ssl=1

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/15/93/316787569-gregg_popovich031110.jpg

[Seventyniner]

After we ask all white people to take a penitent knee for “the sins of their forefathers” perhaps we can ask them to wear a scarlet “W” on their chests.

Just to extend this part:

Out of 330 million Americans, there would have to be a significant number that both look white and have no ancestors that were slave owners/traders, supported slavery, etc. Many of those have ancestry that doesn't even reach America until well after slavery ended. What would one of the "woke" liberals expect them to do? Apologize for things their ancestors didn't do?

Sure, there are plenty of Americans who have ancestors who did own slaves. But you can't tell who they are just by looking at them, and (gasp!) not all of them are white.

[Atl Spur]

Just to extend this part:

Out of 330 million Americans, there would have to be a significant number that both look white and have no ancestors that were slave owners/traders, supported slavery, etc. Many of those have ancestry that doesn't even reach America until well after slavery ended. What would one of the "woke" liberals expect them to do? Apologize for things their ancestors didn't do?

Sure, there are plenty of Americans who have ancestors who did own slaves. But you can't tell who they are just by looking at them, and (gasp!) not all of them are white.

I’m truly speechless captain obvious....... No worries though, it will all work out:)

[Atl Spur]

Why do all you guys have every statistic known to man but know very little about your fellow Black Americans history? I’ll wait..........

[Bill_Brasky]

Most people in the south didn't own slaves. Only the rich people did. As a matter of fact, a lot of people took the "indentured servant" route to get over here from Europe. Somehow the rich people convinced the poor whites that they were "better" than the poor blacks. This led poor white people who had literally nothing to be convinced that slavery was good and black people should be slaves.

Do you see a trend here? Rich people love making poor whites feel like they can be part of the club. News flash, morons: you'll never get in. Those rich fucks will never, ever, ever include you. They DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. They just use your racism to distract you. In reality, they see no difference between your poor white ass and the poor black man. They just use your racism to exploit things to get what they want. And if you try to stand in the way, they'll do awful things to you just like they do to the black man.

[Atl Spur]

Most people in the south didn't own slaves. Only the rich people did. As a matter of fact, a lot of people took the "indentured servant" route to get over here from Europe. Somehow the rich people convinced the poor whites that they were "better" than the poor blacks. This led poor white people who had literally nothing to be convinced that slavery was good and black people should be slaves.

Do you see a trend here? Rich people love making poor whites feel like they can be part of the club. News flash, morons: you'll never get in. Those rich fucks will never, ever, ever include you. They DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. They just use your racism to distract you. In reality, they see no difference between your poor white ass and the poor black man. They just use your racism to exploit things to get what they want. And if you try to stand in the way, they'll do awful things to you just like they do to the black man.

Whoa! Check mate biatches!!