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Nbadan
11-07-2005, 04:01 AM
A White House Without Rove?
He's not gone yet, but his Texas-size ambitions are giving way to smaller goals
By MIKE ALLEN
Posted Sunday, Nov. 06, 2005


He's weary. his wife and only child, who is approaching college, miss him. He has monstrous legal bills. His unique bond with the President is under stress. His most important work is done.

Karl Rove's colleagues don't know exactly when it will happen, but they are already laying out the reasons they will give for the departure of the man President George W. Bush dubbed the architect. A Roveless Bush seemed unthinkable just a few months ago. But that has changed as the President's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff remains embroiled in the CIA leak scandal.

Despite Rove's flashes of ebullience in recent days and the insistence of friends that he is out of legal jeopardy, several of the most important lawyers who deal with special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald said they saw more clues last week that Fitzgerald is continuing to look into the possibility of charging Rove with lying to investigators or the grand jury or both. If that happens, Rove almost certainly would resign immediately, as did I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, when Libby was indicted two weeks ago. Otherwise, Rove is likely to wait for a chance to minimize the perception that he is being hounded out or leaving under a cloud. And he's got one constituency rooting for him, the conservatives who rely on him to be their voice. If he leaves, he will not be alone. Several well-wired Administration officials predict that within a year, the President will have a new chief of staff and press secretary, probably a new Treasury Secretary and maybe a new Defense Secretary.

The expected departures are among a host of new signs suggesting that Bush's sixth year in office—the last one before midterm elections and a turn in attention toward the 2008 race to succeed him—will be very different from his first five. The sunny optimist who loved to think big is now facing polls in which for the first time a majority of Americans say they do not trust him. "It's like it's twilight in America," says one frustrated conservative....

Time (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1126697,00.html?cnn=yes)

Rove, Scotty, Snow and Rummy gone? It's a start, but by sometime next year? Hopefully within the next three months and take 19% approval-rate Cheney, and NeoCon lap-dog Rice too. Republicans are hemmoraging all over, and the 06 campaign is soon in the wings. Look for the WH to try to put a new twist on it's flawed product.

Karl Rove out? Count on it.

:hat

JoeChalupa
11-07-2005, 08:36 AM
I too think it is just a matter of time before Rove is out but Bush is loyal as a mofo so it won't be easy for him to cut the cord.

RandomGuy
11-07-2005, 08:55 AM
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/295/1240/1024/hankey3.jpg


You can dress up poo anyway you like, but in the end it is still poo.

Hopefully the next election people will finally recognize this, and start voting against the Bush apologists...

Marcus Bryant
11-07-2005, 09:54 AM
By Nov '06 the GOP will have enough of the base back in the fold. It was ugly, but Bush will have had 2 solid picks land on the SC. Plus I'm sure there'll be some gay marriage/porn/abortion controversy in the media cycles leading up to election day that'll get the social conservatives out. Mid-term elections are get-out-the-base elections and the GOP has demonstrated far more strength at doing that than the Demos could ever dream of. The GOP also has a larger base.

spvrs
11-07-2005, 11:34 AM
Man can you imagine if one of the house switches? This will be a nightmare senario for the white house.

All bending the rules flies when you have a 60% approval rating and congress to stonewall for you. Karma is a biotch

RandomGuy
11-07-2005, 01:16 PM
The GOP also has a larger base.


There aren't that many rich white people in the US.... :hat

Nbadan
11-07-2005, 01:31 PM
The GOP also has a larger base.

Yeah, I think that's more myth than fact.

RandomGuy
11-07-2005, 01:44 PM
Yeah, I think that's more myth than fact.

Kind of like the "Moral Majority", who are neither...? :rolleyes

JoeChalupa
11-07-2005, 07:58 PM
What excuse will Rove give if he leaves..?

Will it be becuase he's tired and needs to spend more time with the family?

Will it be because his job is done and Bush's presidency is in reality over?

What say you?

Yonivore
11-07-2005, 08:05 PM
What excuse will Rove give if he leaves..?

Will it be becuase he's tired and needs to spend more time with the family?

Will it be because his job is done and Bush's presidency is in reality over?

What say you?
How 'bout, "The new President asked me to resign after his inauguration." On January 21, 2009. I've really never seen so much political masturbation over a Presidential aide -- senior or otherwise.

If Rove leaves, it'll be because the President feels it's in the best interest of the country for him to do so or because Rove is just fed up with all the bullshit or somewhere in between. In any case, the administration's policies won't change and you'll be just as frustrated as before.

JohnnyMarzetti
11-07-2005, 09:15 PM
"I've waited my whole life for a Republican president, Republican House and Republican Senate.
Somehow I expected something more. There's a general uncomfortable feeling in the public, too.
So many things are so (totally fucked) unsustainable at the federal level.
--Republican state Rep. Jim Knoblach, (MN)

Vashner
11-07-2005, 09:22 PM
When Rove steps on dogshit. That dogshit has more accomplishment than NBAdan's entire life.

JohnnyMarzetti
11-07-2005, 09:29 PM
"I think Bush is making a terrible mistake in opposing McCain's amendment
on detainees and torture. Why in the world they're doing that, I don't know."
--Sen. Chuck Hagel, (R-Diebold)

I remember when they wouldn't dare speak out against their beloved Dumbya.

exstatic
11-07-2005, 10:45 PM
The GOP base is better mobilized, but not larger, and I expect the disilliusioned center to realize that the GOP can't save them from the boogeyman, and will embarrass them in the world's eyes. It's that middle 15-20 percent that will tip this election away from the GOP.

gtownspur
11-07-2005, 11:25 PM
^^The GOP base also can be counted to mobilize themselves to take some commies off our govt come '06. Remember, midterm elections are horrible for participation.

JoeChalupa
11-08-2005, 08:37 AM
http://www.bartcop.com/rove_doghouse.jpg

Ocotillo
11-08-2005, 10:32 AM
The Dems best hope in '06 are state and local races and the U.S. Senate. The House seats are so gerrymandered these days it's tough for either party to take one from the other.