Poeltl Power

[ace3g]

Top-14 picks who failed to meet starter criteria: https://cdn.hoopsrumors.com/files/2020/06/Jakob-Poeltl-200x300.jpg

With that in mind, let’s check in on how this year’s RFAs-to-be will be impacted by the starter criteria. Listed below are the former top-14 picks on track for restricted free agency who have not met the starter criteria. These players will be eligible for qualifying offers worth $4,642,800.



Jakob Poeltl (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) (Spurs)
Thon Maker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/makerth01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) (Pistons)
Denzel Valentine (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/valende01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) (Bulls)

As the Nos. 9, 10, and 14 picks in the 2016 draft, Poeltl, Maker, and Valentine won’t be hit particularly hard by falling short of the starter criteria. Their projected qualifying offers would have ranged from approximately $5.09MM to $4.7MM, respectively, so a dip to $4.64MM shouldn’t have a major impact on their respective free agencies. Of the three players, only Poeltl looks like a lock to even receive a QO.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/06/potential-2020-rfas-whose-qualifying-offers-will-be-impacted-by-starter-criteria.html

[talkspurs]

I would be interested in getting Thon. His is athletic and can hit the three. If we could get him might be a good deal.

[slick'81]

Easily one of the worse trades in nba history

still I think theres hope for a pure center like poodle. Mother fucker just needs to play

[phxspurfan]

Only good in certain situations. Bad with the current Spurs, since LMA is there and can't play 2 bigs anymore

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's been discussed a million times but his problem is the lack of a PnR playmaker on the Spurs. Murray's not very good at it, Patty is more of a shooter off of the pick. White is the closest to a PnR playamker but his timid play limits the others as well.

Poeltl is good at what he does and his role functionally isn't any different to Capella's or Adams's, but he doesn't have anyone to take advantage of his rolling and is reduced to putbacks and whatever comes from broken plays. Manu made a much worse player (Blair) look effective but there's no Manu on the team anymore.

[Texas_Ranger]

he sucks, but hey, there's another 14 guys on the roster that are just as bad. so, no hate.

[From Downtown]

It's been discussed a million times but his problem is the lack of a PnR playmaker on the Spurs. Murray's not very good at it, Patty is more of a shooter off of the pick. White is the closest to a PnR playamker but his timid play limits the others as well.

Poeltl is good at what he does and his role functionally isn't any different to Capella's or Adams's, but he doesn't have anyone to take advantage of his rolling and is reduced to putbacks and whatever comes from broken plays. Manu made a much worse player (Blair) look effective but there's no Manu on the team anymore.

Agreed, there's a good number of non-shooting Cs who are effective in the league (Gobert, Capela, Adams, McGee etc.), but you need to feed em on offense and then let em play defense
Manu made a bunch of scrubs/defensive minded big men look like scoring threats at times (Blair, old man Fabricio, Tiago, Baynes), I think we could get something similar with White handling the ball more, his IQ and passing ability are there

[TimDunkem]

Agreed, there's a good number of non-shooting Cs who are effective in the league (Gobert, Capela, Adams, McGee etc.), but you need to feed em on offense and then let em play defense
Manu made a bunch of scrubs/defensive minded big men look like scoring threats at times (Blair, old man Fabricio, Tiago, Baynes), I think we could get something similar with White handling the ball more, his IQ and passing ability are there

Gotta' pick a lane though. Either he's a starter or de facto backup. Spurs are not going to anywhere zagging with two centers playing the bulk of their minutes together.

[wildbill2u]

It's been discussed a million times but his problem is the lack of a PnR playmaker on the Spurs. Murray's not very good at it, Patty is more of a shooter off of the pick. White is the closest to a PnR playamker but his timid play limits the others as well.

Poeltl is good at what he does and his role functionally isn't any different to Capella's or Adams's, but he doesn't have anyone to take advantage of his rolling and is reduced to putbacks and whatever comes from broken plays. Manu made a much worse player (Blair) look effective but there's no Manu on the team anymore.

I noticed that Poetl would make a good move to the basket, get behind the defense and not get hit with a pass. Must be awfully frustrating to be wide open and be overlooked. I'm never sure whether the lack of a pass is due to incompetence by the guards or some kind of selfish desire to hold on to the ball.

[Down Under]

Trade LMA to Portland & start him.

[Shakril]

I noticed that Poetl would make a good move to the basket, get behind the defense and not get hit with a pass. Must be awfully frustrating to be wide open and be overlooked. I'm never sure whether the lack of a pass is due to incompetence by the guards or some kind of selfish desire to hold on to the ball.

I have seen that so often, that i actually think its on purpose. Poeltl is one of the most efficent players on the offensive end (i know i know, with limited range), give him 2 or 3 touches a quarter when he is open, and you have 8-10 points at a bare minimum. With everything else he does, thats a good starting center. And we are talking about limited minutes. I would like to see his production, when he plays 30 mins per game for the period of at least 10 games.

[TimDunkem]

^Someone got their Poeltl slurper notification. :lol

[phxspurfan]

he sucks, but hey, there's another 14 guys on the roster that are just as bad. so, no hate.

Guaranteed he'd be much better on a different team with a different coach. In a different decade.

[Texas_Ranger]

Guaranteed he'd be much better on a different team with a different coach. In a different decade.

He would be great on the spurs in 2005 and 2007.

[From Downtown]

Gotta' pick a lane though. Either he's a starter or de facto backup. Spurs are not going to anywhere zagging with two centers playing the bulk of their minutes together.

I d rebuild this whole ship, trade DDR and LMA and start him tbh

[Russ]

Easily one of the worse trades in nba history

The Spurs tend to make bad trades when they are forced to get rid of a malcontent who has already told the world he's gone.

I don't think the Kawhi trade was any worse than Dennis Rodman for Will Perdue. That one looked pretty bad. (But Perdue helped the team ring in '99.)

Then the Spurs had to unload another charm school grad, Derek Anderson, for an all but washed up Steve Smith. That didn't look too good either. (But Steve Smith helped the team ring in '03.)

Those two trades were just as coerced and one-sided as the Kawhi trade but the Spurs managed to prevail -- I wouldn't bet against them over the long haul.

[BWS-1994]

The Spurs tend to make bad trades when they are forced to get rid of a malcontent who has already told the world he's gone.

I don't think the Kawhi trade was any worse than Dennis Rodman for Will Perdue. That one looked pretty bad. (But Perdue helped the team ring in '99.)

Then the Spurs had to unload another charm school grad, Derek Anderson, for an all but washed up Steve Smith. That didn't look too good either. (But Steve Smith helped the team ring in '03.)

Those two trades were just as coerced and one-sided as the Kawhi trade but the Spurs managed to prevail -- I wouldn't bet against them over the long haul.

As much as I like the positivity, those teams had Tim Duncan though...

[talkspurs]

The Spurs tend to make bad trades when they are forced to get rid of a malcontent who has already told the world he's gone.

I don't think the Kawhi trade was any worse than Dennis Rodman for Will Perdue. That one looked pretty bad. (But Perdue helped the team ring in '99.)

Then the Spurs had to unload another charm school grad, Derek Anderson, for an all but washed up Steve Smith. That didn't look too good either. (But Steve Smith helped the team ring in '03.)

Those two trades were just as coerced and one-sided as the Kawhi trade but the Spurs managed to prevail -- I wouldn't bet against them over the long haul.

I dont think any of these trades are as bad as kawhi. the closer one would probably be rodman by skill but he cause lots of problems in the locker room. I also consider Anderson/smith to be close in skill at time. Anderson was just much younger. Neither anderson nor rodman were a top player in the league. While derozen is better then any player we got back the skill different between Kawhi and Derozen/potel is far greater then any. It is almost imposible to replace a top talent.

[TimDunkem]

Comparing trading Derek fucking Anderson and Dennis Rodman to Kawhi and Green. :lmao

[Seventyniner]

I dont think any of these trades are as bad as kawhi. the closer one would probably be rodman by skill but he cause lots of problems in the locker room. I also consider Anderson/smith to be close in skill at time. Anderson was just much younger. Neither anderson nor rodman were a top player in the league. While derozen is better then any player we got back the skill different between Kawhi and Derozen/potel is far greater then any. It is almost imposible to replace a top talent.

Worse than quitting on your team?

Yes, Number Two is certainly the best player the Spurs have ever traded away. But the best ability is availability, and Number Two made it clear that he was not going to be available. At that point he had zero value as a player, his only value was as a trade chip.

Given the general perception that he was going to walk away from any non-LA team he was traded to (which was proven to be correct), not many teams were going to give up long-term value for a 1-year rental.

[8FOR!3]

Trade LMA to Portland & start him.

If we trade LMA to Portland we probably get Nurkic or Collins back and start them instead tbh.

[TimDunkem]

^Oh, Joy. Two injured centers.

[Shakril]

If we trade LMA to Portland we probably get Nurkic or Collins back and start them instead tbh.

No you dont. Portland would be stupid to give just one of them for LMA, but both is just wishful thinking.

[From Downtown]

The Spurs tend to make bad trades when they are forced to get rid of a malcontent who has already told the world he's gone.

I don't think the Kawhi trade was any worse than Dennis Rodman for Will Perdue. That one looked pretty bad. (But Perdue helped the team ring in '99.)

Then the Spurs had to unload another charm school grad, Derek Anderson, for an all but washed up Steve Smith. That didn't look too good either. (But Steve Smith helped the team ring in '03.)

Those two trades were just as coerced and one-sided as the Kawhi trade but the Spurs managed to prevail -- I wouldn't bet against them over the long haul.

The Anderson trade made sense tho, considering we got SJax and Manu was coming over

[From Downtown]

If we trade LMA to Portland we probably get Nurkic or Collins back and start them instead tbh.

Nurk is a better player than LMA at this point, he s younger and very close to Lillard as well, no way they're giving him up

[talkspurs]

Worse than quitting on your team?

Yes, Number Two is certainly the best player the Spurs have ever traded away. But the best ability is availability, and Number Two made it clear that he was not going to be available. At that point he had zero value as a player, his only value was as a trade chip.

Given the general perception that he was going to walk away from any non-LA team he was traded to (which was proven to be correct), not many teams were going to give up long-term value for a 1-year rental.

Actually yes. Rodman was consistent. Kawhi just left. While I think Kawhi did upset the team they did not constantly have to deal with it except for questions from reporters. I also think these did not happen to often.

You also talk about how kawhi tanked his trade value but lets not forget he already had told the Spurs for awhile that he wanted to be traded. the most intelligent, caring, does the best for his people(talking about Pop not trump) knew so much that he was going to change Kawhi mind. He tried several times and waited to long and this also caused Kawhi value to lower.

[Down Under]

If we trade LMA to Portland we probably get Nurkic or Collins back and start them instead tbh.
Are Portland seriously considering trading Nurk? I'd take that in a heartbeat, even with the injury. Dude sets the table for their offense & you can see how their D has suffered badly since they started someone like Whiteside who can't do basics like show & recover.

[8FOR!3]

No you dont. Portland would be stupid to give just one of them for LMA, but both is just wishful thinking.

I didn't intend to suggest both I intended to suggest one or the other. Collins + Hood + Ariza would be the most likely scenario imo.


Nurk is a better player than LMA at this point, he s younger and very close to Lillard as well, no way they're giving him up

I tend to agree with this sentiment. But if they aren't willing to give up Nurkic then the talk is going to be Zach Collins (and probably Rodney Hood/Trevor Ariza to make the money work.) I wouldn't say that Nurkic is completely off the table though, but I'd agree that Portland probably wouldn't do it.


Are Portland seriously considering trading Nurk? I'd take that in a heartbeat, even with the injury. Dude sets the table for their offense & you can see how their D has suffered badly since they started someone like Whiteside who can't do basics like show & recover.

Honestly I have no idea. I think Portland wants to offer Whiteside and Spurs say no. I think Spurs want Nurkic and Portland says no.

[From Downtown]

I didn't intend to suggest both I intended to suggest one or the other. Collins + Hood + Ariza would be the most likely scenario imo.



I tend to agree with this sentiment. But if they aren't willing to give up Nurkic then the talk is going to be Zach Collins (and probably Rodney Hood/Trevor Ariza to make the money work.) I wouldn't say that Nurkic is completely off the table though, but I'd agree that Portland probably wouldn't do it.



Honestly I have no idea. I think Portland wants to offer Whiteside and Spurs say no. I think Spurs want Nurkic and Portland says no.

Doesn't sound too exciting to me
I like Zach a lot, but I don't think his ceiling is higher than "very good role player", Ariza would've been good 5 years ago, and I'm not a big Hood fan

[8FOR!3]

Doesn't sound too exciting to me
I like Zach a lot, but I don't think his ceiling is higher than "very good role player", Ariza would've been good 5 years ago, and I'm not a big Hood fan

I pretty much agree, maybe we can get a draft pick out of it. Maybe it would be better than letting Aldridge eventually walk away for nothing. Not sure how I feel.

[Down Under]

I didn't intend to suggest both I intended to suggest one or the other. Collins + Hood + Ariza would be the most likely scenario imo.



I tend to agree with this sentiment. But if they aren't willing to give up Nurkic then the talk is going to be Zach Collins (and probably Rodney Hood/Trevor Ariza to make the money work.) I wouldn't say that Nurkic is completely off the table though, but I'd agree that Portland probably wouldn't do it.



Honestly I have no idea. I think Portland wants to offer Whiteside and Spurs say no. I think Spurs want Nurkic and Portland says no.
Can't trade Whiteside can they, he's a free agent at end of season? Collins plus expiring (Hood/Ariza) would be fine IMO. LMA would be just about be done after next season anyway & we get a decent role player.