There is literally almost nothing for Trump to run a competitive campaign on.

[DMX7]

There's a nationwide epidemic, an economic collapse and civil unrest....

Even his culture war is failing because no one believes Joe Biden is anything other than a moderate who is a likable guy.

Trump has nothing to run on... and Nancy Pelosi holds all the cards in terms of anymore bailouts.

Trump looks like he's starting to lose his fighting spirit too.

[David Hogg]

It’s gonna really be a kick in the dick when he wins tbh.

[baseline bum]

Trump still has likely low turnout in November on his side so don't act like he's done for.

[ElNono]

Trump still has likely low turnout in November on his side so don't act like he's done for.

Yeah... plus the disenfrachising machine will be running full swing, as we've seen last week.

However, if Joe does win, I'm looking forward to his introduction where he raises from his basement on a small platform, with smokes and lights... think The Undertaker intro in WWE.

[pgardn]

Trump could run on a platform of vengeance against main stream media (whatever the hell that is) and be just fine

[Reck]

6 new battleground polls released today and Trump is down in all of them.

The key ones for me are Arizona (Down 7) and Florida. (Down 6)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Big ouch.

[apalisoc_9]

Trump will win.

[Reck]

Trump will win.

Base on what?

[TSA]

6 new battleground polls released today and Trump is down in all of them.

The key ones for me are Arizona (Down 7) and Florida. (Down 6)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Big ouch.

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1276140741467742208

[DMC]

Yeah... plus the disenfrachising machine will be running full swing, as we've seen last week.

However, if Joe does win, I'm looking forward to his introduction where he raises from his basement on a small platform, with smokes and lights... think The Undertaker intro in WWE.

By then he might need an Undertaker

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1276140741467742208
so average lead of 5.4% in that sample group. about half of biden's current RCP average lead

[ElNono]

By then he might need an Undertaker

touche

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1276140741467742208

You’re the second poster to bring 2016 polling today.

...but 2016 is not an argument anyone should be making.

[FrostKing]

Some company calls/text me on the phone, I'm not admitting I am voting Trump.

[David Hogg]

Some company calls/text me on the phone, I'm not admitting I am voting Trump.
But you’ll show up in person and flash your ID to do it?

[FrostKing]

But you’ll show up in person and flash your ID to do it?
I do believe we might reach a point where good men are judged by the politicians they "probably voted for". i.e. Bobby Bowden in West Virginia.

Yes, I think user data in the hands of a corporation is more troublesome today. In 2016 I had a MAGA hat in my car window alongside Polska sticker here in SoCal. Up until the last 2 weeks of the election. Then I didn't want damage to my car. But '16 was an upset. Repeating is always tougher and opposition will be more fierce.

[Will Hunting]

so average lead of 5.4% in that sample group. about half of biden's current RCP average lead
Theyre also all national polls, which I don’t understand why people care about. At no point in 2016 did Hillary have polling leads in states like Florida or North Carolina that Biden currently has (outside of polls conducted by shitty pollsters who fivethirtyeight ignores), both states were polled as toss ups the entire time.

Not saying the race is over but Trump is definitely in worse shape now than he was 4 years ago. Biden sucks but he isn’t as universally disliked as Hillary was and the polls were never this bad for Trump in 2016.

[FrostKing]

Northern states will decide the 2020 election. Economically worse but riots challenged safety.

[Will Hunting]

Michigan and Wisconsin were also by and large ignored by pollsters in 2016. Pollsters aren’t going to just repeat the same fuck ups from 4 years ago :lol, they’re already doing way more polling in those states and likely studied how they fucked up last time.

[spurraider21]

Theyre also all national polls, which I don’t understand why people care about. At no point in 2016 did Hillary have polling leads in states like Florida or North Carolina that Biden currently has (outside of polls conducted by shitty pollsters who fivethirtyeight ignores), both states were polled as toss ups the entire time.

Not saying the race is over but Trump is definitely in worse shape now than he was 4 years ago. Biden sucks but he isn’t as universally disliked as Hillary was and the polls were never this bad for Trump in 2016.
this is true, but the national polls and popular vote still tend to successfully indicate overall likelihood to win. and the bigger the national vote lead is, the less likely that it is so oddly distributed among the states that you aren't going to get enough electoral votes

[FrostKing]

in 2016 there was not a culture war. Trump was the outsider, anti-Establishment.

The parties will represent in more classic form in 2020

[Will Hunting]

in 2016 there was not a culture war. Trump was the outsider, anti-Establishment.

The parties will represent in more classic form in 2020
They’ll also return to their classic form because after 4 years it’s obvious Trump is a globalist charlatan who couldn’t give two fucks about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the Midwest.

[FrostKing]

They’ll also return to their classic form because after 4 years it’s obvious Trump is a globalist charlatan who couldn’t give two fucks about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the Midwest.
STEM visa ban. Time for them to download NetBeans.

[Will Hunting]

STEM visa ban. Time for them to download NetBeans.
Yeah feel free to explain to me how banning STEM visas is going to bring middle class manufacturing jobs back to the US.

[Blake]

Trump still has likely low turnout in November on his side so don't act like he's done for.

I'm not counting out the fat orange fuck

[Blake]

Yeah feel free to explain to me how banning STEM visas is going to bring middle class manufacturing jobs back to the US.

They need middle class workers to program the robots doing the manufacturing

[FrostKing]

They need middle class workers to program the robots doing the manufacturing
invoke()

[BSfromTX]

Trump could run on a platform of vengeance against main stream media (whatever the hell that is) and be just fine

This is what will happen.

-His followers are convinced he's trying to buck the system
- His followers are convinced he's a victim of the press
- His re-election will provide the means to perpetuate the race war
- His re-election will provide the means to continue the Covid debates
- He has proven he can spend money just like all other presidents
- He has played the villan role perfectly, so why stop now


But rest assured, either canditate will be a good servant to the masters.

[FrostKing]

I just spoke to my close buddy who is jewish voting Conservative for the first time in 2020

Democrats lost us at political correctness and now doubling down with the anarchist. Until recently I still considered USA the beacon of free speech. This is being challenged.

[Killmonger]

He’ll just run with the same fearmongering “they’re trying to ruin the America we know and love” that’s worked for decades on old white people and he’ll do fine.

[Reck]

I just spoke to my close buddy who is jewish voting Conservative for the first time in 2020

Democrats lost us at political correctness and now doubling down with the anarchist. Until recently I still considered USA the beacon of free speech. This is being challenged.

Yes we all have the "friend" that holds a different political views that sees manna from heaven and promises to vote one way or the other.

[ElNono]

They’ll also return to their classic form because after 4 years it’s obvious Trump is a globalist charlatan who couldn’t give two fucks about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the Midwest.

Yup, that's what I pointed out when I said he's the incumbent now, and that's actually not a plus. He was an unknown material back in '16, and with that you bring in some sort of hope he'll change things. Now people know he won't.

That doesn't mean Biden will, but they do have a measure of Trump that they didn't have in '16, and that's where incumbency hurts.

[spurraider21]

Yup, that's what I pointed out when I said he's the incumbent now, and that's actually not a plus. He was an unknown material back in '16, and with that you bring in some sort of hope he'll change things. Now people know he won't.

That doesn't mean Biden will, but they do have a measure of Trump that they didn't have in '16, and that's where incumbency hurts.
even obummer won by a slimmer margin in 2012 than he did in 08

[Blake]

This is what will happen.

-His followers are convinced he's trying to buck the system
- His followers are convinced he's a victim of the press
- His re-election will provide the means to perpetuate the race war
- His re-election will provide the means to continue the Covid debates
- He has proven he can spend money just like all other presidents
- He has played the villan role perfectly, so why stop now


But rest assured, either canditate will be a good servant to the masters.

Who is Trump's master (s)?

[weebo]

2020 Trump is in a precarious position...2016 Trump was more so an unknown in the political arena--2020 Trump has a baseline. People who didn't vote for him in 2016 aren't going to line up to vote for him this time--his presidency has been a disaster. People who voted for him the first time may or may not vote for him this time around (buyers remorse). People who didn't vote at all in 2016 will get up to vote this time around just to get rid of him.

[Spurminator]

There's a nationwide epidemic, an economic collapse and civil unrest....

Even his culture war is failing because no one believes Joe Biden is anything other than a moderate who is a likable guy.

Trump has nothing to run on... and Nancy Pelosi holds all the cards in terms of anymore bailouts.

Trump looks like he's starting to lose his fighting spirit too.

You don't know Republicans.

He will run on race riots, immigrants, crime, tax cuts and being the only thing that can save this country from becoming a socialist dystopia. And he'll probably win with it because of the electoral college.

[FrostKing]

even obummer won by a slimmer margin in 2012 than he did in 08
There is a portion of the American population that will by default side with change if unable to decide. Rooted in distrust of authority and heritage. Bring in the new crew and restart; cut tail and run. Society increasingly unable to stay focused on the long game.

[ElNono]

There is a portion of the American population that will by default side with change if unable to decide. Rooted in distrust of authority and heritage. Bring in the new crew and restart; cut tail and run. Society increasingly unable to stay focused on the long game.

It doesn't help that the 'long game' hasn't really paid off for the vast majority of Americans, tbh, and the prospect isn't getting any better... If it wouldn't be because of Medicare, I don't think half the boomers would vote the way they do now, IMO.

[FrostKing]

It doesn't help that the 'long game' hasn't really paid off for the vast majority of Americans, tbh, and the prospect isn't getting any better... If it wouldn't be because of Medicare, I don't think half the boomers would vote the way they do now, IMO.
That is fair. I think Capitalism has this effect. My reference to change was meant to illustrate that USA is progressive by and large. Whether this is nature or nurture.

[ElNono]

That is fair. I think Capitalism has this effect. My reference to change was meant to illustrate that USA is progressive by and large. Whether this is nature or nurture.

The gradual tilt towards liberalism is really a global phenomenon, dating back to the mid-80s, 90s... it's just that social conservatism has lived well past it's expiration date, IMO, and traditionalist institutions like the church has seen their influence wane progressively as well.

With the exception of dictatorships (in many forms, like China, or theology-based ones like in the Middle East), the UK, some minor countries in Eastern Europe, and to a lesser extent the US are the last few bastions of hard line conservatism.

[Reck]

He will run on race riots, immigrants, crime, tax cuts and being the only thing that can save this country from becoming a socialist dystopia. And he'll probably win with it because of the electoral college.

So he'll run on the same thing he did in 2016. Only difference here being riots.

One issue is going to swing an election? He's failed at the bolded part pretty badly. He is also shown to be a poor leader who doesn't actually want to take responsibility for anything.

[Spurminator]

So he'll run on the same thing he did in 2016. Only difference here being riots.

One issue is going to swing an election? He's failed at the bolded part pretty badly. He is also shown to be a poor leader who doesn't actually want to take responsibility for anything.

This is the same playbook Republicans have used since the 60's. My point is it's silly to suggest Trump has to run on his record. He doesn't need a record or accomplishments. He has conservatives' predictable fear.

[FrostKing]

So he'll run on the same thing he did in 2016. Only difference here being riots.

One issue is going to swing an election? He's failed at the bolded part pretty badly. He is also shown to be a poor leader who doesn't actually want to take responsibility for anything.
Some people believe in systematic racism and others in systematic anarchism

Like I said I think people will be pressured into blind change. But there is still plenty of time for new events to create new angles.

[FrostKing]

The gradual tilt towards liberalism is really a global phenomenon, dating back to the mid-80s, 90s... it's just that social conservatism has lived well past it's expiration date, IMO, and traditionalist institutions like the church has seen their influence wane progressively as well.

With the exception of dictatorships (in many forms, like China, or theology-based ones like in the Middle East), the UK, some minor countries in Eastern Europe, and to a lesser extent the US are the last few bastions of hard line conservatism.
Liberalism has dominated the West unopposed since Nazis were destroyed. Stalin created an Eastern Sphere and that is why (we) they are different white.

Whether people disagree or it is just too exotic, non-Whites are not catching the fever. South America is almost there. The Eastern hemisphere is is more ingrained.

[ElNono]

Liberalism has dominated the West unopposed since Nazis were destroyed. Stalin created an Eastern Sphere and that is why (we) they are different white.

Whether people disagree or it is just too exotic, non-Whites are not catching the fever. South America is almost there. The Eastern hemisphere is is more ingrained.

It really doesn't go as far back in the US. I mean, the Civil Rights Act didn't come around until the 60s, and one would argue that if Nixon didn't destroy the Republican party, it was largely because of social conservatism being still fairly relevant. Even today, despite it's waning influence and overall hypocrisy, evangelicals still make up a decent block.

There's still things to rescue in conservatism, like economics, but the election of Trump I think is also a tacit admission from social conservatives that their position nowadays is largely unrealistic and untenable.

[FrostKing]

It really doesn't go as far back in the US. I mean, the Civil Rights Act didn't come around until the 60s, and one would argue that if Nixon didn't destroy the Republican party, it was largely because of social conservatism being still fairly relevant. Even today, despite it's waning influence and overall hypocrisy, evangelicals still make up a decent block.

There's still things to rescue in conservatism, like economics, but the election of Trump I think is also a tacit admission from social conservatives that their position nowadays is largely unrealistic and untenable.
That is an angle I didn't consider. You are right, It wasn't until the hippie movement in the USA but darn did the Americans adapt quickly. In the USA since I have been following politics, conservatives seem to abandon every major issue. That is why I find myself in their corner today. They represent the edge of change holding the line of common sense.

Yes economically my life long Republican (non-conservative) friends are not enthusiastic. Trump is too inconsistent/wide ranged for them. Impossible to get a read. I think there is promise on the horizon that Asians & Hispanic populations are booming and they tend to fall on the old fashioned side of the spectrum.

[monosylab1k]

:lol people making the exact same mistake of underestimating Trump, and overestimating the level of human decency in America.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol people making the exact same mistake of underestimating Trump, and overestimating the level of human decency in America.

I don't think it's decency as it is underestimating the level of stupidity

[ElNono]

I don't think it's decency as it is underestimating the level of stupidity

yeah, everybody should watch the Florida video in the other thread, tbh

[monosylab1k]

I don't think it's decency as it is underestimating the level of stupidity

It’s both tbh. There’s a ton of stupid, but there’s a ton of ignoring pure evil just so your taxes work out better.

[Spurtacular]

:lol people making the exact same mistake of underestimating Trump, and overestimating the level of human decency in America.

:lol A fake narrative to pass the buck on all the other fake narratives.

[DMX7]

:lol A fake narrative to pass the buck on all the other fake narratives.

You’re a fake narrative. :lol

[BSfromTX]

Who is Trump's master (s)?

Fed, IMF, World bank, and Israel

[pgardn]

Who is Trump's master (s)?

By far and away...

His obsession with his self image.

Question: Could he possibly ever make a joke about the way he obsesses over his hair and fake color?

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump is so short of accomplishments, he's down to bragging about lobsters—and it's a lie (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/25/1955937/-Donald-Trump-is-so-short-of-accomplishments-he-s-down-to-bragging-about-lobsters-and-it-s-a-lie)


https://images.dailykos.com/images/632374/story_image/GettyImages-1082818580.jpg?1547517828

On Thursday morning, Donald Trump unaccountably began to tweet about the nation’s most pressing issue: lobsters.

a pandemic that’s spiraling out of control, Trump really wants to speak to you on the subject of crustaceans.

Complaining that President Obama :lol “destroyed the lobster” :lol industry in Maine,

Trump then claimed that it was “back, bigger and better” and invited fishermen to “make lots of money.”

The truth is that President Obama left the Maine fishing industry sitting on a record catch and record profits (https://twitter.com/davabel/status/1275958742543151107?s=20).

In fact, the industry surged during Obama’s presidency.

Since Trump took over, the size of the harvest has gone down,

What has gone down precipitously is the prices Maine fishermen receive for lobsters and the rest of their catch.

That’s because Trump’s trade war wrecked their markets, and just like Midwestern farmers, tariffs have made things worse for lobstermen (https://www.pressherald.com/2019/08/23/china-increases-its-u-s-lobster-tariff-again/).

The industry is smaller, less productive, and far less profitable than when Trump took over.

Trump is underwater by a staggering 27% (https://civiqs.com/results/approve_president_trump?annotations=true&uncertainty=true&zoomIn=true&utm_campaign=ticker&home_state=Maine&net=true)when it comes to his approval rating in Maine.

And why polls put Trump behind Joe Biden in the state by double digits (https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/MaineResults.pdf).

Susan Collins’ vote to keep Trump in office is an anchor around her neck

Collins will be looking for work. (Maybe she should try lobstering. I’ve heard you can make lots of money.)

Donald Trump can’t find a single real accomplishment to show for his three-plus years in office.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/25/1955937/-Donald-Trump-is-so-short-of-accomplishments-he-s-down-to-bragging-about-lobsters-and-it-s-a-lie (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/25/1955937/-Donald-Trump-is-so-short-of-accomplishments-he-s-down-to-bragging-about-lobsters-and-it-s-a-lie)

[Spurtacular]

6 new battleground polls released today and Trump is down in all of them.

The key ones for me are Arizona (Down 7) and Florida. (Down 6)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Big ouch.


Worried that her poll numbers will keep going up? :lol

Says a lot that she's taken like 2 weeks off and she still up 8 to 10 points up in the polls. That's just hillarious