The Trump Pandemic: The Economy

[boutons_deux]

The Second Great Depression

At least four major factors are terrifying economists and weighing on the recovery:

the household fiscal cliff,

the great business die-off,

the state and local budget shortfall, and

the lingering health crisis.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/second-great-depression/613360/

From now until 20 Jan, Trash and Repugs will do nothing to help the non-oligarchy.

The Repugs will leave, YET AGAIN, like in 2009, a godawful catastrophe for the Dems.

And yet again, like under Obama, the Repugs will do everything they can to maintain, increase the pain and blame it all on the Dems

[Spurtacular]

Imagine if we stopped treating a disease that isn't killing healthy people like a reason for shutting down the economy.

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150K+ dead, with no end in sight,

daily cases in late JUNE worse than they were in "peak" April

red/Repug states LYING about C19 deaths, saying many 1000s of "excess deaths" in the pandemic, are flu deaths, not C19 deaths.

and many 100Ks of "survivors" are really fucked up, some for life

Imagine if America were run by serious, competent pols, rather the whores to the oligarchy's BigDonor

[rmt]

The Second Great Depression

At least four major factors are terrifying economists and weighing on the recovery:

the household fiscal cliff,

the great business die-off,

the state and local budget shortfall, and

the lingering health crisis.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/second-great-depression/613360/

From now until 20 Jan, Trash and Repugs will do nothing to help the non-oligarchy.

The Repugs will leave, YET AGAIN, like in 2009, a godawful catastrophe for the Dems.

And yet again, like under Obama, the Repugs will do everything they can to maintain, increase the pain and blame it all on the Dems



The non-oligarchy is hurt the most by the Dems and those who are against school choice. Education is the best way out of poverty and yet people still stubbornly vote for those against school choice. Go protest for school choice and make the money follow the student - that will improve education and then income.

[SpursforSix]

150K+ dead, with no end in sight,

daily cases in late JUNE worse than they were in "peak" April

red/Repug states LYING about C19 deaths, saying many 1000s of "excess deaths" in the pandemic, are flu deaths, not C19 deaths.

and many 100Ks of "survivors" are really fucked up, some for life

Imagine if America were run by serious, competent pols, rather the whores to the oligarchy's BigDonor


Not to diminish the deaths, but aren't about 1/3 of the deaths from nursing homes? Combine that with whatever high % of non-nursing home deaths had significant underlying conditions.
I'm not saying it's not bad. But I don't believe it's as bad as you think.

[ElNono]

Imagine if we stopped treating a disease that isn't killing healthy people like a reason for shutting down the economy.

It's a pandemic dude... you'll have an economic hit no matter what you do. People both don't want and can't afford to get sick.

[Spurtacular]

It's a pandemic dude... you'll have an economic hit no matter what you do. People both don't want and can't afford to get sick.

They can't afford to lose their homes or lose most or all their saving because shitty government is busy scamming them.

And no, shutting the economy down for a glorified flu is not good enough.

[ElNono]

They can't afford to lose their homes or lose most or all their saving because shitty government is busy scamming them.

And no, shutting the economy down for a glorified flu is not good enough.

You can ignore reality all you want, and call it whatever you want, there's still nearly 130k dead in 6 months, and that's with taking precautions for at least half that time.

Of course they can't afford to lose their homes and what not, that's why this is an emergency, and the government needs to be present, not just for the big businesses.

[Spurtacular]

You can ignore reality all you want, and call it whatever you want, there's still nearly 130k dead in 6 months, and that's with taking precautions for at least half that time.

Of course they can't afford to lose their homes and what not, that's why this is an emergency, and the government needs to be present, not just for the big businesses.

Even that number is not worth all the destruction. But it's a bogus number as we all know.

[ElNono]

Even that number is not worth all the destruction. But it's a bogus number as we all know.

You don't get to make that call, thankfully. You'll be wrong as usual.

[Spurtacular]

You don't get to make that call, thankfully. You'll be wrong as usual.

Is it worth the next great depression?

[El Santo]

Trump or democrats its all the same nothing will change system is corrupt but hey steer us to to divide us fight against our selves with bs racism, and a controlled pandemic so you dont see the real problem to all of this....

[ElNono]

Is it worth the next great depression?

Lives over money every time. You can come back from an economic depression, you can't from death.

[Spurtacular]

Lives over money every time. You can come back from an economic depression, you can't from death.

Do you think lives are somehow not lost in a great depression?

[ducks]

44 grandparents Owned Slave time to erase him from history books

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More deaths in blue states because of stupidly
Put sick people in nursery homes
Damm what are liberals thinking

[ducks]

Deaths with virus decline
Why media not reporting that

[ducks]

Not to diminish the deaths, but aren't about 1/3 of the deaths from nursing homes? Combine that with whatever high % of non-nursing home deaths had significant underlying conditions.
I'm not saying it's not bad. But I don't believe it's as bad as you think.

Damm do not confuse the fool with facts he loves his fans news

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'Blue state governors' treating COVID-19 like an on-off switch, lawyer says

[weebo]

Is it worth the next great depression?
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"If you have to choose between human lives and the economy and you choose the economy you'll have neither."

[Spurtacular]

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"If you have to choose between human lives and the economy and you choose the economy you'll have neither."

Good attribution, bruh.

[Spurtacular]

'Blue state governors' treating COVID-19 like an on-off switch, lawyer says

Yup. They just keep dousing the fire. Good news is not allowed.

[weebo]

Do you think lives are somehow not lost in a great depression?

I keep hearing how the lock down and the economic down turn is somehow killing people--can you point to actual numbers? Because right now the virus has claimed over 125k American lives.

[clambake]

Ducks, are you trapped in china town?

Hang in the window like you’re dead.

[ducks]

Nope computer business great this summer thanks to this
More people in Yuma

[ducks]

Ducks, are you trapped in china town?

Hang in the window like you’re dead.

Can you show me how because you think I am stupid so you must show me !

[ElNono]

Do you think lives are somehow not lost in a great depression?

Not directly, no. Indirectly, possibly. However, deaths coming from indirect factors happen for a number of reasons, not just economic downturns.

That's why you address direct cases first.

[Spurtacular]

Not directly, no. Indirectly, possibly. However, deaths coming from indirect factors happen for a number of reasons, not just economic downturns.

That's why you address direct cases first.

People lose money; they lose the ability to care for themselves.
People not getting cancer screenings / physicals b/c they're told to stay home.

What you're calling "direct cases" are not life threatening in most cases.
This wouldn't be a huge political football if common sense measures were taken.

[ElNono]

People lose money; they lose the ability to care for themselves.
People not getting cancer screenings / physicals b/c they're told to stay home.

What you're calling "direct cases" are not life threatening in most cases.
This wouldn't be a huge political football if common sense measures were taken.

Let the doctors decide what's life threatening or not, not the politicos or the businessman.

And the cancer screening angle is bullshit, the only reason they went down is because people, who, unlike you, have common sense and understand this is a medical emergency, have delayed their routine mammograms and colonoscopies out of their own volition. Government only recommended to pause them, didn't mandate.

Heck, I took my wife to have her routine mammogram this morning, so I know for a fact that's a terrible excuse.

[weebo]

People lose money; they lose the ability to care for themselves.
People not getting cancer screenings / physicals b/c they're told to stay home.

What you're calling "direct cases" are not life threatening in most cases.
This wouldn't be a huge political football if common sense measures were taken.

Millions of uninsured Americans lining up to get cancer screening. :lol

[ElNono]

You know what the problem is? You still think this is the flu and a conspiracy to bring Trump down... and you're deeply upset. It's neither. There's just no talking sense into you though, you lost the plot a while ago.

[ElNono]

And it's not like the economy isn't important. But you get your priorities straight. It's not like States haven't been trying to reopen, etc. Just have to be careful about it, and when spikes like the ones in Texas, Florida or California show up, you just have to slow things down some again.

If you overwhelm hospitals, you're not caring for people either.

Hopefully the death rate continues to stay low (yet to be seen after these spikes), and hospitalizations also stay low, and we can slowly make progress.

[ducks]

Fucking without codoms telling woman to kill babies because it might hurt their pocket book is more deadly then Covid 19

[ElNono]

Fucking without codoms telling woman to kill babies because it might hurt their pocket book is more deadly then Covid 19

Let's not pretend that you care about that baby once he/she goes into welfare because they were born into poverty, tbh...

[boutons_deux]

"The non-oligarchy is hurt the most by the Dems"

how so? The Dems HEROES act is pro-LABOR, and Repug McConnell has killed it


"those who are against school choice"

(religious) school choice is segregationist and is the oligarchy's strategy to divert taxpayer $Ts from public schools to the oligarchy who wants to privatize everything public into for-oligarchy-profit.

"Education is the best way out of poverty" it helps for sure, but of course underfunding non-white schools is how White Supremacy maintains itself

"yet people still stubbornly vote for those against school choice" bullshit. (religious, for-profit) school choice does not equal "education"

"Go protest for school choice and make the money follow the student - that will improve education and then income"

for-profit charters, religious "education" have not be proven to "improve education", quite the opposite.

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

[rmt]

"The non-oligarchy is hurt the most by the Dems"

how so? The Dems HEROES act is pro-LABOR, and Repug McConnell has killed it


"those who are against school choice"

(religious) school choice is segregationist and is the oligarchy's strategy to divert taxpayer $Ts from public schools to the oligarchy who wants to privatize everything public into for-oligarchy-profit.

"Education is the best way out of poverty" it helps for sure, but of course underfunding non-white schools is how White Supremacy maintains itself

"yet people still stubbornly vote for those against school choice" bullshit. (religious, for-profit) school choice does not equal "education"

"Go protest for school choice and make the money follow the student - that will improve education and then income"

for-profit charters, religious "education" have not be proven to "improve education", quite the opposite.

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

Bou, sounds like you just don't like RELIGION - be careful that word might be rivaling OLIGARCHY in your posts :-)

If you want to really improve minorities' lives and narrow income inequality, (imho) the only way to it is thru better education - giving kids in poor neighborhoods the chance to attend better schools - not some single bill like Heroes Act - seriously how many people is that going to affect and with what - a few hundred/thousand dollars?

The point is students/parents get to choose the school - hopefully they will choose the best one for their child and the bad schools will CLOSE because no one will CHOOSE to go there. The remaining schools will improve hoping to attract more students and so on and so forth.

Please, inner city, non-white schools probably get more government funding than suburban schools in wealthier neighborhoods - Title 1 funding, free breakfast/lunch based on income, etc.

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"Bou, sounds like you just don't like RELIGION"

religion is fine for people susceptible to it, but not fine when they start imposing their religion on other, and murdering people of other reliions.


"If you want to really improve minorities' lives and narrow income inequality, (imho) the only way to it is thru better education - giving kids in poor neighborhoods the chance to attend better schools"

agreed, but it hasn't happened and won't happen because of American White Supremacy, which denies equality of opportunity to non-whites.

- not some single bill like Heroes Act - seriously how many people is that going to affect and with what - a few hundred/thousand dollars?

1000s of teachers are laid off, they would love to hae $600/week. I think in the Banksters Great Depression 400K? teachers were fired.

I don't see anything in the HEROES act for education, it appears to aimed at compensating health care having lost $Bs to treat C19, and to continue supporting the unemployed.

"The point is students/parents get to choose the school - hopefully they will choose the best one for their child and the bad schools will CLOSE because no one will CHOOSE to go there. The remaining schools will improve hoping to attract more students and so on and so forth."

totally theoretical, and total fantasy. Poor kids go to the shitty, underfunded public schools in their POOR district, while non-poor kids go to funded public schools in their non-poor district. White People don't want to be "Robin Hooded" to pay for poor people's schooling or health care.

not all non-white schools are inner city.

I read an article where there was some kind of exchange problem for a day for students, between non-white and white schools. The non-white kids were astonished at the well kept buildings, the tons of equipment at the white schools.

non-white schools do not receive anywhere near the funding of white schools.