Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures

[ducks]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-department-education-orders-schools-reopen-campuses-coronavirus

[boutons_deux]

Repug MISgovernance, never misses

Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez Claims City, State’s Actual Covid-19 Cases Likely ‘Way Undercounted’ by a Factor of 10

Miami-Dade County, Florida Mayor Carlos Gimenez announced

a new nighttime curfew,

rollbacks on indoor dining at restaurants and bars, and

a shutdown of all gyms on Monday,

while also claiming that the actual number of Covid-19 cases he has seen in his city are “way undercounted by a factor of 10.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/miami-dade-mayor-carlos-gimenez-claims-city-states-actual-covid-19-cases-likely-way-undercounted-by-a-factor-of-10/

[Reck]

Good lord, Desantis really wants to gift Florida to the democrats like really bad.

[ChumpDumper]

Is there any mitigation plan for the elderly and vulnerable who will be otherwise forced to go into these buildings?

[baseline bum]

Is there any mitigation plan for the elderly and vulnerable who will be otherwise forced to go into these buildings?

The plan is likely to get the teachers with the most seniority to quit for fear of being killed by one of the little fuckers in his class.

[ChumpDumper]

The plan is likely to get the teachers with the most seniority to quit for fear of being killed by one of the little fuckers in his class.EVEN THE CHARTER SCHOOLS?

[Blake]

The plan is likely to get the teachers with the most seniority to quit for fear of being killed by one of the little fuckers in his class.

"Teachers, however, are concerned about their safety, according to Florida Education Association President Fedrick Ingram.

“It’s clear in communications with our members that educators are scared. They don’t trust politicians to make sure things are safe --- rightly so, with the record-breaking number of cases being reported,” Ingram told the News Service of Florida in an email Monday. “The governor is trying to brush that off.”

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/07/06/florida-education-commissioner-mandates-all-schools-must-reopen-campuses-in-fall/

[Blake]

EVEN THE CHARTER SCHOOLS?

1280209946085339136

[hater]

Thoughts and prayers

[rmt]

Here in Miami-Dade, parents are being given the option of choosing virtual, in person or other (arrangement made with school) for EACH student. I hear that the majority of parents are choosing in person - they want the kids to go to school (I guess so they can free up their time to go to work)?

[Warlord23]

Florida managed to find the dumbest politican in the country (except for Trump) to run their state

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/04/22/us/politics/22virus-facemasks2/merlin_171690918_b598184c-bf62-468e-8b42-bdeb30cdfab5-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg

[Blake]

Here in Miami-Dade, parents are being given the option of choosing virtual, in person or other (arrangement made with school) for EACH student. I hear that the majority of parents are choosing in person - they want the kids to go to school (I guess so they can free up their time to go to work)?

A lot of parents also probably need the schools to feed their kids too

[Blake]

Florida managed to find the dumbest politican in the country (except for Trump) to run their state

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/04/22/us/politics/22virus-facemasks2/merlin_171690918_b598184c-bf62-468e-8b42-bdeb30cdfab5-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg

Abbott isn't too far behind

[TSA]

"Teachers, however, are concerned about their safety, according to Florida Education Association President Fedrick Ingram.

“It’s clear in communications with our members that educators are scared. They don’t trust politicians to make sure things are safe --- rightly so, with the record-breaking number of cases being reported,” Ingram told the News Service of Florida in an email Monday. “The governor is trying to brush that off.”

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/07/06/florida-education-commissioner-mandates-all-schools-must-reopen-campuses-in-fall/

science denying teachers :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280495658617704449

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496093025927174

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496095408336899

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496442667393024

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496591321923587

There is no good reason that outweighs the needs of millions of kids to keep schools closed.

[baseline bum]

Florida managed to find the dumbest politican in the country (except for Trump) to run their state

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/04/22/us/politics/22virus-facemasks2/merlin_171690918_b598184c-bf62-468e-8b42-bdeb30cdfab5-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg

The guy is Yale and Harvard educated, he's evil, not stupid.

[hater]

science denying teachers :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280495658617704449

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496093025927174

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496095408336899

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496442667393024

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496591321923587

There is no good reason that outweighs the needs of millions of kids to keep schools closed.

They probably are elders or have elders they care about.

Its not rocket science tbqh :lol

Even if its a bit too much its human nature

[ChumpDumper]

So countries that have the virus under relative control have reopened schools.

That means the US can safely reopen schools at the very high point of its pandemic.

That's just science.

[rmt]

A lot of parents also probably need the schools to feed their kids too

Probably - so what's the problem with some on this board (not necessarily you) with opening up the schools when the parents (and probably the kids) want it too.

[Blake]

science denying teachers :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280495658617704449

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496093025927174

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496095408336899

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496442667393024

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496591321923587

There is no good reason that outweighs the needs of millions of kids to keep schools closed.

Lol Phil Kerpen

[baseline bum]

TSA quoting results from New Zealand and the Netherlands that have COVID currently under control and applying them to the US where it's a fucking raging inferno. :rollin

[Blake]

Probably - so what's the problem with some on this board (not necessarily you) with opening up the schools when the parents (and probably the kids) want it too.

You're really asking what the problem of opening up a school is during a pandemic?

[baseline bum]

Probably - so what's the problem with some on this board (not necessarily you) with opening up the schools when the parents (and probably the kids) want it too.

You just had 7300+ new cases today. Ignorant motherfucker also wants to say it's because of testing despite your state having a growing positivity rate that's above 16% today. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Good lord, Desantis really wants to gift Florida to the democrats like really bad.

My thoughts exactly.

He can order it, but he doesn't pick school boards. Voters do. Those voters will have some definite say as to whether or not the schools open up. I would fight it tooth and nail.

[RandomGuy]

Probably - so what's the problem with some on this board (not necessarily you) with opening up the schools when the parents (and probably the kids) want it too.

For example? Where is this mythical school board?

[rmt]

You're really asking what the problem of opening up a school is during a pandemic?

It seems that most of the evidence points to covid not affecting kids much - what do you want - to keep them locked up for years? What about the loss of education, income for parents, etc? Most of the kids are not out now - so most likely it's not them causing the spike - it's the boneheaded young adults who are congregating and not wearing masks.

[rmt]

My thoughts exactly.

He can order it, but he doesn't pick school boards. Voters do. Those voters will have some definite say as to whether or not the schools open up. I would fight it tooth and nail.

What is the problem with my communication - am I not getting it across that said voters/parents WANT the schools to open up?

[ChumpDumper]

At least 1,335 people have tested positive from child care facilities in Texas, the state's Department of Health and Human Services reported Monday, citing figures from Friday.

Of those infected, 894 were staff members and 441 were children. The cases came from 883 child care facilities that are open in the state, DHHS said.

The new cases mark a significant increase from June 15, when there were 210 reported cases from 177 facilities -- including 141 staff members and 69 children.

On May 15, Texas reported a total of 59 cases from 53 child care facilities. At that time, 36 staff members and 23 children were infected.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

Maybe if they just let Danish kids in the schools.

Man, all those day care kids going to bars and rioting really fucked things up.

[Warlord23]

What is the problem with my communication - am I not getting it across that said voters/parents WANT the schools to open up?

Public health policy should not be decided based on a popularity contest or an opinion poll, especially if it includes opinions from people like you who lack critical thinking skills

[rmt]

Public health policy should not be decided based on a popularity contest or an opinion poll, especially if it includes opinions from people like you who lack critical thinking skills

This is THE all-important poll/survey - on the parent portal choosing delivery method for each student. Certainly the county will have final authority over the school board when end of August comes but that's a long time from now.

[TSA]

TSA quoting results from New Zealand and the Netherlands that have COVID currently under control and applying them to the US where it's a fucking raging inferno. :rollin

I quoted results from studies showing kids aren't vectors for spreading the virus, it doesn't matter what the virus is doing at a certain point in time.

[TSA]

Lol Phil Kerpen

lol white flag

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280491512787357696

Policy makers must also consider the mounting evidence regarding COVID-19 in children and adolescents, including the role they may play in transmission of the infection. SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection. Policies to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 within schools must be balanced with the known harms to children, adolescents, families, and the community by keeping children at home.

[TSA]

Public health policy should not be decided based on a popularity contest or an opinion poll, especially if it includes opinions from people like you who lack critical thinking skills

Do the 67,000 Pediatricians from the American Academy of Pediatrics also lack critical thinking skills?

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

[Blake]

lol white flag

Lol I'm laughing at, not participating in the game you're playing

[baseline bum]

I quoted results from studies showing kids aren't vectors for spreading the virus, it doesn't matter what the virus is doing at a certain point in time.

Wow kids aren't vectors in nations with minimal infection rate. Meanwhile they are in Texs.

[Splits]

I quoted results from studies showing kids aren't vectors for spreading the virus, it doesn't matter what the virus is doing at a certain point in time.


Do the 67,000 Pediatricians from the American Academy of Pediatrics also lack critical thinking skills?

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/


It is critically important to develop strategies that can be revised and adapted depending on the level of viral transmission in the school and throughout the community and done with close communication with state and/or local public health authorities and recognizing the differences between school districts, including urban, suburban, and rural districts.

lol

[Warlord23]

Do the 67,000 Pediatricians from the American Academy of Pediatrics also lack critical thinking skills?

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

2 points:
1. The AAP's position has no bearing on the view that parents should ultimately decide when to open schools, which is what I called out
2. Read the AAP's position thoroughly. They say that policy considerations should start with the goal of students being physically present as soon as it makes sense. Nobody disputes that goal. The debate is about the "as soon as it makes sense" bit - and it is up for epidemiologists and infectious disease experts to determine that, not the AAP

[ChumpDumper]

I fully agree that it's OK to open schools like Switzerland did whenever a place has the numbers the Swiss did when they opened them. Florida's 7-day running average of new cases is currently 245 times that of Switzerland's when it opened the schools.

[TSA]

lol


SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection.

lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSA trying to ignore actual evidence from Texas.

[TSA]

Wow kids aren't vectors in nations with minimal infection rate. Meanwhile they are in Texs.

What study can you cite proving kids are vectors in Texas?

[hater]

Yeah sadly you dont open schools when you are breaking daily infection records tbqh :lmao

And its not the kids I worry about but the teachers and staff

Shit the NBA and MLB might not happen due to rampart team infections. Can you imagine the clusterfuck schools would be if they had rampart infections on most schools? :lmao

[hater]

What study can you cite proving kids are vectors in Texas?

Kids run the schools in texas?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSA is showed day care centers are a vector. Demands to be shown the children in particular are the vector.

I agree just sending kids to schools without any adults there would probably lead to fewer infections of adults.

[hater]

:lol TSA is showed day care centers are a vector. Demands to be shown the children in particular are the vector.

I agree just sending kids to schools without any adults there would probably lead to fewer infections of adults.

Hell, send the kids to work our jobs. Can you say "open up the economy"? :lmao

[hater]

One more tip for some silly ppl here.

I'm not even saying any kids or their families would die if we open schools. But it would just be an administrative clusterfuck. If we are breaking infection records you can bet your ass there will be school infections on a weekly basis.

School staff, principals and admins would spend 110% of their time chasing families and notifying families. Because they would have to.

And guess what, if theres 1 infection in a given school, you can bet your ass most if not all parents at that school will freak and the school would be paralized for weeeks. Multiply that over and over

School systems need to be ready for this. And make the call and stick to it. No, they are not ready for this if the state is still breaking records and positivity is in double digits :lol

[Splits]

One more tip for some silly ppl here.

I'm not even saying any kids or their families would die if we open schools. But it would just be an administrative clusterfuck. If we are breaking infection records you can bet your ass there will be school infections on a weekly basis.

School staff, principals and admins would spend 110% of their time chasing families and notifying families. Because they would have to.

And guess what, if theres 1 infection in a given school, you can bet your ass most if not all parents at that school will freak and the school would be paralized for weeeks. Multiply that over and over

School systems need to be ready for this. And make the call and stick to it. No, they are not ready for this if the state is still breaking records and positivity is in double digits :lol

No. Dear Leader's new message is the virus is "just something we have to live with" and "99% harmless". Surely parents will adapt to his message

[Blake]

One more tip for some silly ppl here.

I'm not even saying any kids or their families would die if we open schools. But it would just be an administrative clusterfuck. If we are breaking infection records you can bet your ass there will be school infections on a weekly basis.

School staff, principals and admins would spend 110% of their time chasing families and notifying families. Because they would have to.

And guess what, if theres 1 infection in a given school, you can bet your ass most if not all parents at that school will freak and the school would be paralized for weeeks. Multiply that over and over

School systems need to be ready for this. And make the call and stick to it. No, they are not ready for this if the state is still breaking records and positivity is in double digits :lol

If school staff gets it, are they going to be required to quarantine for 14 days on their own vacation time? Teachers usually get around 10 days a year.

[baseline bum]

Yeah sadly you dont open schools when you are breaking daily infection records tbqh :lmao

And its not the kids I worry about but the teachers and staff

Shit the NBA and MLB might not happen due to rampart team infections. Can you imagine the clusterfuck schools would be if they had rampart infections on most schools? :lmao

You're not seeing the good side of it though... all the older teachers who are rightfully worried about catching COVID in this raging forest fire can quit and go starve while the schools can hire much cheaper new grads who will be desperate to take anything they can land in this trash economy.

[ChumpDumper]

If school staff gets it, are they going to be required to quarantine for 14 days on their own vacation time? Teachers usually get around 10 days a year.THOSE LAZY FUCKS HAD ALL SUMMER TO TAKE HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND MAKE THEMSELVES INVINCIBLE.

[baseline bum]

:lol TSA is showed day care centers are a vector. Demands to be shown the children in particular are the vector.

I agree just sending kids to schools without any adults there would probably lead to fewer infections of adults.

LOL

[TSA]

That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.

[Blake]

That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.

You're just not good at this. You should really stop listening to the alt right podcasts and tweets because they're not good at this either.

[TSA]

https://explaincovid.org/explainers/covid-19-and-children-our-crowd-sourced-data/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L45r63t8hpYfGLpT6gWKjYMscu8Wut6jtlxO-1FAW9c/edit#gid=204576280

[ChumpDumper]

That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.What a stupid goalpost move.

You want to wait until after schools are open for a study of the currently exploding numbers in Texas day care centers to be published.

Being disingenuous is required for being a QAnon/Pizzagate/Trump supporter.

[baseline bum]

That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.

LOL not a single good answer to the infections seen in Texas daycares as this state has become a raging inferno of COVID

[baseline bum]

What a stupid goalpost move.

You want to wait until after schools are open for a study of the currently exploding numbers in Texas day care centers to be published.

Being disingenuous is required for being a QAnon/Pizzagate/Trump supporter.

You forgot Mask Truther

[DarrinS]

Just have the teachers take the students on BLM protest field trips.

[TSA]

You're just not good at this. You should really stop listening to the alt right podcasts and tweets because they're not good at this either.

I asked for a study and you can't find one. You don't even attempt to contribute you just sit there waving your flag.

[ChumpDumper]

You forgot Mask Truther:lmao what is wrong with these people?

[baseline bum]

Just have the teachers take the students on BLM protest field trips.

If they loot outdoors everything should be fine.

[ChumpDumper]

Just have the teachers take the students on BLM protest field trips.Didn't you kick your child's friend out of your house?

[baseline bum]

:lmao what is wrong with these people?

:cry I can't put on a mask for ten minutes at the store :cry
:cry My feelings are more important than everyone's health :cry

[RandomGuy]

That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.

:lmao :rollin :lmao :rollin

That is a new level of dumb. Now I know you have never had kids.

First five years... snot EVERYWHERE.

Sigworthy, but I would have to get rid of other stupid to put his in. So much dumb... so little space.

Seriously, I am still laughing.
"jesus, someone who has never met a child'' :rollin

[TSA]

LOL not a single good answer to the infections seen in Texas daycares as this state has become a raging inferno of COVID

Adults infected both the other adults and the kids. Kids aren't infecting the adults or the other kids. Prove me wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry I can't put on a mask for ten minutes at the store :cry
:cry My feelings are more important than everyone's health :cry:cry fuck these poor people I've got a round of golf to play :cry

[hater]

Adults infected both the other adults and the kids. Kids aren't infecting the adults or the other kids. Prove me wrong.

Wheres you study that proves adult teachers cant infect each other?

[ChumpDumper]

Adults infected both the other adults and the kids. Kids aren't infecting the adults or the other kids. Prove me wrong.Adults work at schools.

Prove me wrong.

[Splits]

That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.

Have you cited a single study? All that confirmation-bias twitter wall of garbage was not a study.

[Splits]

https://explaincovid.org/explainers/covid-19-and-children-our-crowd-sourced-data/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L45r63t8hpYfGLpT6gWKjYMscu8Wut6jtlxO-1FAW9c/edit#gid=204576280

Not a study

[TSA]

:lmao :rollin :lmao :rollin

That is a new level of dumb. Now I know you have never had kids.

First five years... snot EVERYWHERE.

I have a 2.5 year old. You think children are spreading this like influenza? :lol

"Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection."

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

[TSA]

:lmao :rollin :lmao :rollin

That is a new level of dumb. Now I know you have never had kids.

First five years... snot EVERYWHERE.

I have a 2.5 year old. You think children are spreading this like influenza? :lol

"Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection."

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

[Splits]

I have a 2.5 year old. You think children are spreading this like influenza? :lol

"Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection."

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/


:lmao what kind of argument is this?

See, kids can't transmit the virus only get it from adults!

[TSA]

Have you cited a single study? All that confirmation-bias twitter wall of garbage was not a study.

All linked from that "twitter wall of garbage"


"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-porteurs-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19_AV-202005120233.html

https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-des-pediatres-lancent-une-etude-pour-savoir-combien-d-enfants-sont-contamines_AV-202004160220.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfmtv.com%2Fsante%2Fpeuporteur s-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19-1912853.html

[TSA]

I'll be sure to check back in later and see if anyone finds a study :bobo

[hater]

I'll be sure to check back in later and see if anyone finds a study :bobo

Ill be sure to check back on that study that says teachers cant infect teachers :bobo

[pgardn]

Adults infected both the other adults and the kids. Kids aren't infecting the adults or the other kids. Prove me wrong.

We do not know this answer yet.
It also depends on what age groups we look at.
Two years and younger clearly appears to be rare, but to say it does not happen at this point is stupidity.
Realize NO ONE can actually see the virus go from one person to another and then causing symptoms. It all has to be reasoned through contact studies, which are getting very difficult right now because so many people have this thing. In fact we may have to give up on this all together, it would have been very effective if we had contained this early on.

You are wrong.

[boutons_deux]

wearning a masks muffles the voice and hides facial expressions.

Gonna be hard for teachers to communicate with the lower grades.

Do the students where masks?

When several kids are infected in the same classroom, the transmissibility to the adults will be higher than from one kid.

When teachers start going down, TSA will scoot away.

[Splits]

All linked from that "twitter wall of garbage"


"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-porteurs-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19_AV-202005120233.html

https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-des-pediatres-lancent-une-etude-pour-savoir-combien-d-enfants-sont-contamines_AV-202004160220.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfmtv.com%2Fsante%2Fpeuporteur s-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19-1912853.html

Only one of these is a clinical study: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100



RESULTSAs of April 4, a total of 1221 of 9199 persons (13.3%) who were recruited for targeted testing had positive results for infection with SARS-CoV-2. Of those tested in the general population, 87 (0.8%) in the open-invitation screening and 13 (0.6%) in the random-population screening tested positive for the virus. In total, 6% of the population was screened. Most persons in the targeted-testing group who received positive tests early in the study had recently traveled internationally, in contrast to those who tested positive later in the study. Children under 10 years of age were less likely to receive a positive result than were persons 10 years of age or older, with percentages of 6.7% and 13.7%, respectively, for targeted testing; in the population screening, no child under 10 years of age had a positive result, as compared with 0.8% of those 10 years of age or older. Fewer females than males received positive results both in targeted testing (11.0% vs. 16.7%) and in population screening (0.6% vs. 0.9%). The haplotypes of the sequenced SARS-CoV-2 viruses were diverse and changed over time. The percentage of infected participants that was determined through population screening remained stable for the 20-day duration of screening.
CONCLUSIONSIn a population-based study in Iceland, children under 10 years of age and females had a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than adolescents or adults and males. The proportion of infected persons identified through population screening did not change substantially during the screening period, which was consistent with a beneficial effect of containment efforts. (Funded by deCODE Genetics–Amgen.)

The Texas data is much more persuasive than this milktoast.


Adults infected both the other adults and the kids. Kids aren't infecting the adults or the other kids. Prove me wrong.

There's no data to backup your claim yet you ask to be proven wrong when there's Texas data staring you in the face.

Disingenuous piece of shit, as always.

[pgardn]

wearning a masks muffles the voice and hides facial expressions.

Gonna be hard for teachers to communicate withe the lower grades.

When several kids are infected in the same classroom, the transmissibility to the adults will be higher than from one kid.

When teachers start going down, TSA will scoot away.

It will be harder to cross off other teachers, cafeteria workers, etc... It will also have to assume teachers go straight home, dont have a family to have contact with, etc... Its getting really messy in narrowing this down. We just did not do the job early on.

[Blake]

I asked for a study and you can't find one. You don't even attempt to contribute you just sit there waving your flag.

I sit here and lol at conspiracy nut jobs like you while having real discussions with people that get it

[Blake]

"AUSTIN (KXAN) — The University of Texas announced Tuesday that one of its staff members has died in relation to COVID-19.

According to UT, the staff member, whose identity hasn’t been released, had a positive test that was “appropriately reported” to the university last month..."

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/university-of-texas-staff-member-dies-from-covid-19-complications-campus-first-fatality/


Thank goodness it was only a staff member and not a student. BACK TO CLASS

[Spurminator]

I'm not sure what the sadder part of this thread is, TSA selling out his 2 year old in defense of Dear Leader, or DarrinS working in another Black Lives Matter jab out of the blue.

[TSA]

Only one of these is a clinical study: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100



The Texas data is much more persuasive than this milktoast.

one states data more persuasive than all the data from around the world I provided that was actually thoroughly studied :lol


Kari Stefansson is the CEO of the Icelandic company deCODE genetics in Reykjavík, which has studied the spread of COVID-19 in Iceland with Iceland’s Directorate of Health and the National University Hospital.


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

Author Affiliations
From deCODE Genetics–Amgen (D.F.G., A.H., H.J., O.T.M., P.M., G.L.N., J.S., A.S., P.S., A.B.A., B.E., R.F., E.E.G., G.G., K.R.G., A.G., H.H., B.O.J., A.J., F.J., T.K., D.N.M., L.R., G. Sveinbjornsson, K.E.S., E.A.T., B.T., G.M., I.J., U.T., K.S.), the School of Engineering and Natural Sciences (D.F.G., P.M.), the Department of Anthropology (A.H.), the Faculty of Medicine, School of Health Sciences (A.L., I.J., K.G.K., U.T., K.S.), and the BioMedical Center of the University of Iceland (K.G.K.), University of Iceland, the Department of Clinical Microbiology, Landspitali–National University Hospital (O.S.G., T.R.G., M.S., A.L., K.G.K.) and the Directorate of Health (K.S.J., G. Sigmundsdottir, A.D.M., T.G.) — all in Reykjavik, Iceland.
Address reprint requests to Dr. Stefansson at deCODE Genetics–Amgen, Sturlugata 8, Reykjavik 102, Iceland, or at [email protected].

https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/


Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents.

[hater]

Ill be sure to check back on that study that says teachers cant infect teachers :bobo

Still waiting for that study ma nig TSA :bobo

[ElNono]

I didn't read the whole thing, nor it's conclusions, but since people were asking about studies, here's one:

Age-dependent effects in the transmission and control of COVID-19 epidemics
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0962-9

[TSA]

I'm not sure what the sadder part of this thread is, TSA selling out his 2 year old in defense of Dear Leader, or DarrinS working in another Black Lives Matter jab out of the blue.

I discussed schools being reopened long before Trump. There’s far too much harm to children from being shut out of school and missing out on education and social interaction, along with abuse at home, over doses, and suicides to continue keeping them at home when nothing has been shown they are at serious risk of death or spreading the virus.

If I were older and in the at risk category I’d be saying the same thing, get the kids back to school I’ll take the risk of dying from the virus.

[TSA]

Still waiting for that study ma nig TSA :bobo

Keep waiting. I never claimed teachers couldn’t infect other teachers. Pretty easy for a teacher to avoid another teacher being that they have their own classrooms.

[hater]

Keep waiting. I never claimed teachers couldn’t infect other teachers. Pretty easy for a teacher to avoid another teacher being that they have their own classrooms.

So teachers never interact with each other? Post that study then :bobo

[TSA]

I sit here and lol at conspiracy nut jobs like you while having real discussions with people that get it

Couple links and a few quips are all you’ve contributed to this thread, you aren’t having any real discussions with anyone here.

[baseline bum]

I discussed schools being reopened long before Trump. There’s far too much harm to children from being shut out of school and missing out on education and social interaction, along with abuse at home, over doses, and suicides to continue keeping them at home when nothing has been shown they are at serious risk of death or spreading the virus.

If I were older and in the at risk category I’d be saying the same thing, get the kids back to school I’ll take the risk of dying from the virus.

How noble of you to want to volunteer the lives of the older teachers.

[Blake]

Couple links and a few quips are all you’ve contributed to this thread, you aren’t having any real discussions with anyone here.

Not much to really discuss in this thread. Florida governor and education agency want to push things as if everything is fine when it's completely not. They're idiots and you're an idiot. That's about it.

[Blake]

How noble of you to want to volunteer the lives of the older teachers.

He hasn't answered to that even once in this thread. He never will but at least he provided some links to something!

[TSA]

So teachers never interact with each other? Post that study then :bobo

How many more straw men can you come up with? :bobo

Schools are one of the easier places for an adult to socially distance from another adult.

[Blake]

How many more straw men can you come up with? :bobo

Schools are one of the easier places for an adult to socially distance from another adult.

Lol "straw man"

[TSA]

How noble of you to want to volunteer the lives of the older teachers.

How many 80+ year old teachers did you know?

[baseline bum]

How many 80+ year old teachers did you know?

Lots in their 50s and 60s.

[TSA]

Not much to really discuss in this thread. Florida governor and education agency want to push things as if everything is fine when it's completely not. They're idiots and you're an idiot. That's about it.

Florida governor is backed by data around the world.

[TSA]

quip

[ElNono]

Like I said earlier, don't have a horse in this race, tbh, but would instinctively support whatever is the opposite of Betsy DeVos' position in this matter (which I don't know what it is)

[TSA]

Lots in their 50s and 60s.

CFR still extremely low for that age range. Find a new job if you want to go back to work and are scared, to me the millions more kids being effected both now and in the future are more important than whatever number of 50 and 60 year old teachers there are that have a slim chance of dying anyways.

[baseline bum]

CFR still extremely low for that age range. Find a new job if you want to go back to work and are scared, to me the millions more kids being effected both now and in the future are more important than whatever number of 50 and 60 year old teachers there are that have a slim chance of dying anyways.

How noble of you to sacrifice their lives because you thought in your head with no consequence whatsoever about how if you were old and high risk you'd sacrifice yourself. Yeah they can quit in this booming economy to be door greeters at Wal Mart.

[TSA]

How noble of you to sacrifice their lives because you thought in your head with no consequence whatsoever about how if you were old and high risk you'd sacrifice yourself. Yeah they can quit in this booming economy to be door greeters at Wal Mart.

50-60 isn’t high risk. Teacher can retire at 50 here in California. And door greeter at Walmart is much riskier than teaching kids who aren’t passing on the virus at any concerning levels.

[ducks]

:cry I can't put on a mask for ten minutes at the store :cry
:cry My feelings are more important than everyone's health :cry

Hold your mask up to light
Osu said they do not work
But baseline bum knows best

[TSA]

How noble of you to sacrifice their lives because you thought in your head with no consequence whatsoever about how if you were old and high risk you'd sacrifice yourself. Yeah they can quit in this booming economy to be door greeters at Wal Mart.

Why do you value the smaller number of 50-60 year old teachers who are at a low risk from dying from the virus more than the larger number of children who are at serious risk of trouble now and later in life from missing school?

[baseline bum]

50-60 isn’t high risk. Teacher can retire at 50 here in California. And door greeter at Walmart is much riskier than teaching kids who aren’t passing on the virus at any concerning levels.

What a load that it's not risky. If you're teaching 7-12 you're in close contact with 90-150 students a day in a tightly packed room, depending on how the schools run their schedules.

[ChumpDumper]

How many more straw men can you come up with? :bobo

Schools are one of the easier places for an adult to socially distance from another adult.In the office and the cafeteria?

Are you sure?

[ducks]

Lol they are talking about having desk 6 feet apart plus those plastic things diving the space up

Kids can email the homework to teacher
Teacher does not have to touch paper student used

[TSA]

What a load that it's not risky. If you're teaching 7-12 you're in close contact with 90-150 students a day in a tightly packed room, depending on how the schools run their schedules.

And those 90-150 aren’t vectors for transmission.

[ducks]

In the office and the cafeteria?

Are you sure?

Do they fuck in the office ?

[baseline bum]

And those 90-150 aren’t vectors for transmission.

So 17 year-olds in schools aren't but we know pretty clearly 21 year-olds in bars are? Bull fucking shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Do they fuck in the office ?Only your wife.

[ducks]

In the office and the cafeteria?

Are you sure?

They can not bring their own lunch and eat In their classroom ?

[ElNono]

I would actually advance this has little to do with the kids, and more in line with people being unable to go back to work when they have kids at home that they can't leave alone. And thus, making much more complicated to have a quick economic recovery.

But this opens up a different can of worms, which has to do with the US' generally cutthroat work schedule, salaries being stagnated for a long time, and the current economic woes.

The concept of a single bread-winner and a stay at home parent has never really been there in the low socioeconomic classes, but it has also been slipping further and further away from the middle class too.

[hater]

How many more straw men can you come up with? :bobo

Schools are one of the easier places for an adult to socially distance from another adult.

Are you a teacher? No

Do you have school age children? No

Sounds to me like you just threw out a baseless theory

Talk about strawmen lol

[ChumpDumper]

They can not bring their own lunch and eat In their classroom ?No.

[hater]

Hold your mask up to light
Osu said they do not work
But baseline bum knows best

:lmao who da fuck is osu? Your stuffed bear?

[hater]

No.

Students can bring them apples for lunch and spit on them. Theyll be safe as apparently children have coronavirus poison for spit

[ElNono]

I guess the "we need to sacrifice old people in the altar of money" didn't work out, now we're going with the new and improved "we need to sacrifice old people so children can have a better future. somebody think of the children!"... :lol

[baseline bum]

I guess the "we need to sacrifice old people in the altar of money" didn't work out, now we're going with the new and improved "we need to sacrifice old people so children can have a better future. somebody think of the children!"... :lol

We're bringing the Balous Miller Recovery to the schools. Strike Force assemble!

[TSA]

So 17 year-olds in schools aren't but we know pretty clearly 21 year-olds in bars are? Bull fucking shit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496095408336899

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

[ChumpDumper]

Florida governor is backed by data around the world.
Large studies from Iceland, the Netherlands and Spain and an Italian municipal study showed markedly lower SARS-CoV-2 prevalence amongst children and young people, however studies from Stockholm, England and municipalities in Switzerland and Germany showed showed no difference in infection prevalence between adults and children. Conclusions There is preliminary evidence that children and young people have lower susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2, with a 56% lower odds of being an infected contact. There is weak evidence that children and young people play a lesser role in transmission of SARS-CoV-2 at a population level.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.20.20108126v1 [not yet peer reviewed]

I did the ten second Google search you didn't when you took one study as gospel.

Seriously, why are you so disingenuous?

Why do you just take nonscience twitter accounts at their word?

[TSA]

I would actually advance this has little to do with the kids, and more in line with people being unable to go back to work when they have kids at home that they can't leave alone. And thus, making much more complicated to have a quick economic recovery.

But this opens up a different can of worms, which has to do with the US' generally cutthroat work schedule, salaries being stagnated for a long time, and the current economic woes.

The concept of a single bread-winner and a stay at home parent has never really been there in the low socioeconomic classes, but it has also been slipping further and further away from the middle class too.

Pediatricians, child psychologists, and teachers all disagree with you.

[ElNono]

Pediatricians, child psychologists, and teachers all disagree with you.

I'm sure they do, especially when a pandemic isn't around. Not the case here.

[baseline bum]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496095408336899

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

Sorry man I'm not buying any of your cherry picked shit after you have graced us with such wonders as Comet Ping Pong and Seth Rich.

[TSA]

Are you a teacher? No

Do you have school age children? No

Sounds to me like you just threw out a baseless theory

Talk about strawmen lol

My mom taught for 35 years. I was a behavior management specialist for 6 years for kids with severe autism. I have a 2.5 year old in “school” aka boutique teaching daycare now. Anything else?

[ElNono]

Also, if history is any indicator, and going by what followed the 1920 Spanish Flu pandemic, and great depression right after, children were fine. And you didn't even have Zoom teleconference back then...

[hater]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280496095408336899

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

Dutch health site???

I dont see the dutch breaking infection records everyday ma niga :lmao

You seriously want to apply dutch health directions to todays Florida or Texas??? :lmao

[hater]

My mom taught for 35 years. I was a behavior management specialist for 6 years for kids with severe autism. I have a 2.5 year old in “school” aka boutique teaching daycare now. Anything else?

And you post dutch medical directions and ignore the fact USA has not even reached peak yet :lmao

[TSA]

Sorry man I'm not buying any of your cherry picked shit after you have graced us with such wonders as Comet Ping Pong and Seth Rich.

You fell for Russiagate...I don’t dismiss everything you’ve said after that just because of that. Suit yourself if you can’t see the difference in me discussing them.

[hater]

Also, if history is any indicator, and going by what followed the 1920 Spanish Flu pandemic, and great depression right after, children were fine. And you didn't even have Zoom teleconference back then...

:cry the children will never recover mentally from this :cry

Again ppl failto see the biggest problem which is many school systems woulf not be able to keep up financially or administratively with a texas/florida like spike.

Some school systems, yes they could (like in the northeastbof US) but even for them it would be tough

[baseline bum]

You fell for Russiagate...I don’t dismiss everything you’ve said after that just because of that. Suit yourself if you can’t see the difference in me discussing them.

So you still think it was Seth Rich that gave all those emails to Wikileaks and then got killed for it?

[ElNono]

:cry the children will never recover mentally from this :cry

Again ppl failto see the biggest problem which is many school systems woulf not be able to keep up financially or administratively with a texas/florida like spike.

Some school systems, yes they could (like in the northeastbof US) but even for them it would be tough

It's funny because the children that ended up being fucked up adults are the boomers, and the only thing they had to deal with was affluenza.

[ChumpDumper]

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/PRC_151376993.jpg

“What we’re worried about is the adults.”

--Dutch school technical coordinator

[hater]

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/PRC_151376993.jpg

“What we’re worried about is the adults.”

--Dutch school technical coordinator

The dutch are worried about the adults and had 37 infections and 4 deaths today

Texas had 10,000 infections and 86 deaths today. And apparently the dutch are the cowboys :lmao

[TSA]

I'm sure they do, especially when a pandemic isn't around. Not the case here.
Pediatricians

The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

Child psychologists

The delay in getting children and adolescents back to schools is a "national disaster" that is putting their mental health at risk, say leading psychologists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53037702

[ChumpDumper]

Pediatricians

The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/They also want kids over the age of 2 to wear masks in school.

Can you keep a mask on your kid now?

[Will Hunting]

Here in Miami-Dade, parents are being given the option of choosing virtual, in person or other (arrangement made with school) for EACH student. I hear that the majority of parents are choosing in person - they want the kids to go to school (I guess so they can free up their time to go to work)?
How is El Pollo Loco handling the COVID-19 surge in Florida?

[Blake]

50-60 isn’t high risk. Teacher can retire at 50 here in California.

:lmao more bullshit

[Blake]

Do they fuck in the office ?

You think that's how covid is transmitted?

Jesus it's insane how many stupid ignorant people there are in this forum

[Blake]

How is El Pollo Loco handling the COVID-19 surge in Florida?

:lmao

[Blake]

They also want kids over the age of 2 to wear masks in school.

Can you keep a mask on your kid now?

Up next: "obscure studies show masks are bad for kids to wear"

[Blake]

Hold your mask up to light
Osu said they do not work
But baseline bum knows best

Link

[Blake]

They can not bring their own lunch and eat In their classroom ?

Oh awesome, everyone take off your masks at the same time to eat in a small room

[Blake]

I would actually advance this has little to do with the kids, and more in line with people being unable to go back to work when they have kids at home that they can't leave alone. And thus, making much more complicated to have a quick economic recovery.

But this opens up a different can of worms, which has to do with the US' generally cutthroat work schedule, salaries being stagnated for a long time, and the current economic woes.

The concept of a single bread-winner and a stay at home parent has never really been there in the low socioeconomic classes, but it has also been slipping further and further away from the middle class too.

Yah, we've gotten to a point where a large number of parents are reliant on schools for daycare and food for their kids

[Blake]

"AUSTIN, Texas — The Texas Education Agency has announced COVID-19 safety guidelines for students returning to school for the upcoming school year. Those guidelines include masks for everyone inside schools and screenings.

According to the TEA, parents can choose remote learning for their children at any point in the 2020-21 school year. Parents who choose remote learning may be asked to commit to remote instruction for a full grading period (6 or 9 weeks), but will not have to commit more than two weeks in advance, allowing a decision to be made off the latest public health information......"

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-safety-measures-for-school-campuses-in-texas/285-4f4ba3e8-2fcd-4906-90cf-cf4d99cdd7f5


What a mess

[midnightpulp]

These discussions are worth having. We should continuously weigh the costs and benefits of shutting down vs. opening up, and approach those reopenings and shutdowns on a case-by-case basis. Just because it makes sense to open up a school, doesn't mean it makes sense to open up bars, restaurants, and indoor dining.

That said, we FUCKED OURSELVES here early on. We should've went with a hard nationwide lock-down in March of all but essential businesses. Europe did just that, and have flattened like no one's business. Example. The horror story that was Italy is at 13 deaths/7 day average at day 126. We are at 511 and just had the highest daily death count we've had in nearly a month.

And I solely blame fucks in that "Team Reality" contingent (Ginn, Berenson, Levitt, Ethical Skeptic, etc). The misinformation they've been spinning has been near criminal. The virus doesn't have a natural fuckin' bell curve progression. See Iran's double hump.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/

That's not a second wave, either. They got overconfident during the period where they cut their death toll down and are now seeing the results of it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/52959756

The lockdowns have not contributed to more "deaths" than the virus, as those idiots kept claiming it would.

https://i.imgur.com/xN3TmZu.png

That whole bunch of gray is the excess deaths attributed to Covid. The beige is excess deaths not attributed to Covid, Flu, or Pneumonia. If "the cure was worse than the disease," we see much more non-Covid deaths than Covid deaths. And yes, I know the "cure is worse than the disease" logic is looking at the long term ramifications of lockdowns, but IF we locked down hard in March, we would've flattened the spread as Europe has while also mitigating the long term effects of long shutdowns. This is a concept "Team Reality" led by that fuck Berenson didn't and still don't understand.

All reports are the FL, TX, AZ ICUs are filling up rapidly. I'm sure Team Reality will spin a few graphs for us, but word from the frontlines of the healthcare workers say they are strained. And the once lax politicians of those states are basically in panic, with Abbott throwing local leaders under the bus for supposedly doing "nothing." DeSantis extending the state of emergency of Florida. And AZ just being a clusterfuck all around. California is also not trending positively. Our positive rate is only 8 percent on new tests (vs. 33% in AZ, which is terribad), but can't overlook exponential growth.

:lmao

https://i.imgur.com/2e0RUC1.png

[pgardn]

We are going to have to get creative. The young kids really do need proper schooling. And the parents need to be freed up before they kill their own offspring.

[ElNono]

Pediatricians

The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

Child psychologists

The delay in getting children and adolescents back to schools is a "national disaster" that is putting their mental health at risk, say leading psychologists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53037702

That doesn't dispute what you quoted/responded to. We know that in an ideal world, it's preferable that kids attend school (something I wholeheartedly agree with, BTW, as I pointed out to rmt numerous times how her homeschooling deprived the kids of a number of items listed there).

But unfortunately, we're in a world in crisis right now. I think this should be approached at the local level, like we do with the economy. Places where the situation is more or less under control, should re-open. Places where infections are rampant, should probably tone it down until they bring them under control.

[ElNono]

How is El Pollo Loco handling the COVID-19 surge in Florida?

tbh, I'm curious now to try it out. It always looked like a junk/fast food joint to me, but now that people are even risking death to get a piece of that, they must put cocaine or something on that chicken...

[ducks]

Oh awesome, everyone take off your masks at the same time to eat in a small room

I said the teacher
Student eat In lunch room with other kids

Liberals can not think

[midnightpulp]

tbh, I'm curious now to try it out. It always looked like a junk/fast food joint to me, but now that people are even risking death to get a piece of that, they must put cocaine or something on that chicken...

It's quality grilled style tex-mex chicken. Tastes similar if you grilled up some chicken yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

tbh, I'm curious now to try it out. It always looked like a junk/fast food joint to me, but now that people are even risking death to get a piece of that, they must put cocaine or something on that chicken...EPL is good chicken to be sure. The bowls they sell are crack when you add their avocado salsa.

[baseline bum]

tbh, I'm curious now to try it out. It always looked like a junk/fast food joint to me, but now that people are even risking death to get a piece of that, they must put cocaine or something on that chicken...

I know it's a joke and all, but that dumb cunt rmt was actually talking about a chain called Pollo Tropical. They're not very good, they went belly up in San Antonio of all places. If you can't sell fat Mexicans chicken you got something wrong with you tbh.

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/pollo-tropical-closes-all-san-antonio-locations

[ElNono]

It's quality grilled style tex-mex chicken. Tastes similar if you grilled up some chicken yourself.


EPL is good chicken to be sure. The bowls they sell are crack when you add their avocado salsa.

Nice, sounds like it's a chicken to die for. :tu

[midnightpulp]

Nice, sounds like it's a chicken to die for. :tu

So Cal company (though founded in Mexico before relocation). Them, In-and-Out, and Del Taco are rights of passage. So take a week to gorge on all three and become even more of an honorary Southern Californian.

[baseline bum]

So Cal company (though founded in Mexico before relocation). Them, In-and-Out, and Del Taco are rights of passage. So take a week to gorge on all three and become even more of an honorary Southern Californian.

Del Taco and El Pollo Loco :lmao

If you're going to go to an LA chain make it King Taco, that fucking red sauce there...

[Blake]

I know it's a joke and all, but that dumb cunt rmt was actually talking about a chain called Pollo Tropical. They're not very good, they went belly up in San Antonio of all places. If you can't sell fat Mexicans chicken you got something wrong with you tbh.

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/pollo-tropical-closes-all-san-antonio-locations

There's another thread somewhere where she's raving about her $5 EPL kids meal special that she also sometimes uses her senior discount on

[Blake]

I said the teacher
Student eat In lunch room with other kids

Liberals can not think

You write like a caveman

[TSA]

That doesn't dispute what you quoted/responded to. We know that in an ideal world, it's preferable that kids attend school (something I wholeheartedly agree with, BTW, as I pointed out to rmt numerous times how her homeschooling deprived the kids of a number of items listed there).

But unfortunately, we're in a world in crisis right now. I think this should be approached at the local level, like we do with the economy. Places where the situation is more or less under control, should re-open. Places where infections are rampant, should probably tone it down until they bring them under control.

It directly disputes it.


I would actually advance this has little to do with the kids, and more in line with people being unable to go back to work when they have kids at home that they can't leave alone. And thus, making much more complicated to have a quick economic recovery.


Both links address kids needing to get back to school while there is a pandemic without any mention of getting the economy going quickly.

[midnightpulp]

Del Taco and El Pollo Loco :lmao

If you're going to go to an LA chain make it King Taco, that fucking red sauce there...

I was thinking of big national chains that were founded in So Cal. Never had King Taco, but yeah, small localized chains like Tommys and such are of course superior quality on average to the bigger chains.

[ElNono]

So Cal company (though founded in Mexico before relocation). Them, In-and-Out, and Del Taco are rights of passage. So take a week to gorge on all three and become even more of an honorary Southern Californian.

I've done In-and-Out... it's amazing how they're ALWAYS packed. Prefer Hopdoddy, tbh.

[ElNono]

It directly disputes it.

Both links address kids needing to get back to school while there is a pandemic without any mention of getting the economy going quickly.

I didn't follow the links, I responded to the quotes you highlighted.

The first one says zero about the pandemic, other than kids stopped going to school in spring 2020. Otherwise, I very much agree with that quote.

The second one warns of the potential consequences of delaying a return to school, which I also agree with. But we're not delaying for shits and giggles, we're delaying because we're in a pandemic.

As I already said, I think this needs to be handled locally, much like reopening of the economy is being handled. Makes no sense to keep the kids away from school in Montana because Texas is a dumpster fire right now.

Now, the part I mentioned about the economy, has more to do with what politicos want, not what's best for the children (and I can tell now that it probably wasn't clear, but I was addressing the thread title/topic).

The fact that a good number of parents can't go back to work or have to figure out things like daycare is a real problem, with tangible effects on the economy.

[baseline bum]

I've done In-and-Out... it's amazing how they're ALWAYS packed. Prefer Hopdoddy, tbh.

Bend over. I'll show you doing in and out.

[leemajors]

I've done In-and-Out... it's amazing how they're ALWAYS packed. Prefer Hopdoddy, tbh.

Hopdoddy is at least 2x the cost tbh

[TimDunkem]

^Best burger place for the price?...Go.

[ElNono]

Hopdoddy is at least 2x the cost tbh

If I'm looking to skimp on money, I can just go to McD or Wendy's and don't need to wait the 30 min In-and-Out line, tbh... (tho I admit In-and-Out is better)

So Hopdoddy is more expensive, sure, but saves me time and still get a quality meal.

[rmt]

Lots in their 50s and 60s.

They get full retirement after 30 years. If they start out of college, that's usually 52 - I don't think early to even mid 50s is considered high risk.

[rmt]

How is El Pollo Loco handling the COVID-19 surge in Florida?

Pollo Tropical is handling it just fine - thanks for all the concern in this thread over what's going on in Florida.

[rmt]

Actually, it's the rice and beans that are the best - according to my Cuban co-workers and the grilled chicken is a "healthy" workday option.

[hater]

:lmao called this

:lol TSA come in and spin theez sheetz :lol

https://twitter.com/ida_skibenes/status/1280861874628812803?s=19

[hater]

:lmao where is TSA with his Scandinnavian school opening for dummies :lmao

https://twitter.com/JProskowGlobal/status/1280854161366626304?s=19

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/irishson1916/status/1280854631610974208?s=19

[Blake]

:lmao called this

:lol TSA come in and spin theez sheetz :lol

https://twitter.com/ida_skibenes/status/1280861874628812803?s=19


:lmao where is TSA with his Scandinnavian school opening for dummies :lmao

https://twitter.com/JProskowGlobal/status/1280854161366626304?s=19

Why do your tweet numbers not match for Norway

[leemajors]

If I'm looking to skimp on money, I can just go to McD or Wendy's and don't need to wait the 30 min In-and-Out line, tbh... (tho I admit In-and-Out is better)

So Hopdoddy is more expensive, sure, but saves me time and still get a quality meal.

Gotcha, there are just better burgers at that cost imo, although their $5 deal for takeout during pandemic is great. I also didn't realize they were outside of Austin now :lol There used to be at least a 30 min wait for Hopdoddy here a few years ago

[hater]

Grilling your own burgers sadly is the best bet tbqh

Las few times I went to pick up to 5 guys or shake shack it was a fucking disaster. They got my order wrong, waiting outside along mostly food delivery drivers, and the food was not fresh at the end

Fuck that. I do my own burgers now

[Splits]

:lmao called this

:lol TSA come in and spin theez sheetz :lol

https://twitter.com/ida_skibenes/status/1280861874628812803?s=19

jfc

how long before he tweets “kids can’t infect others” as apparently that’s the alt-right talking point

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107709268_1247128432301039_4002791651436446641_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=kkT6UgteSuEAX9XHjPB&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=77fa92259a00e5bc26cd22975085f6fa&oe=5F2C48E9

[Blake]

Grilling your own burgers sadly is the best bet tbqh

Las few times I went to pick up to 5 guys or shake shack it was a fucking disaster. They got my order wrong, waiting outside along mostly food delivery drivers, and the food was not fresh at the end

Fuck that. I do my own burgers now

I don't get Shake Shack. Their burgers seem like overpriced Wendy's burgers to me.

5 Guys and Hopdoddy are also overpriced mehs, imo.

In SA for me it's Chester's all the way.

[baseline bum]

Grilling your own burgers sadly is the best bet tbqh

Las few times I went to pick up to 5 guys or shake shack it was a fucking disaster. They got my order wrong, waiting outside along mostly food delivery drivers, and the food was not fresh at the end

Fuck that. I do my own burgers now

Man I love cooking a burger, but I hate the cleanup on my cast iron after since I get that bitch ripping hot, make a couple of really thin patties and put a hard crust on them and then melt cheese on top... which leaves my pan looking like shit and then I gotta clean the fucker and re-season it. Sometimes easier to grab a shitty Whataburger where there is no prep and no cleanup.

[baseline bum]

I don't get Shake Shack. Their burgers seem like overpriced Wendy's burgers to me.

5 Guys and Hopdoddy are also overpriced mehs, imo.

In SA for me it's Chester's all the way.

I like Chesters' burgers but man they're expensive enough that when I go there I just wish I had gone to Chris Madrid's instead for a better burger that's just a little more expensive.

[TimDunkem]

Burger Boy is pretty good. Their shakes are legit, tbh, and they cook their crinkle cut fries just long enough to get crispy and golden brown.

[ElNono]

Grilling your own burgers sadly is the best bet tbqh

Las few times I went to pick up to 5 guys or shake shack it was a fucking disaster. They got my order wrong, waiting outside along mostly food delivery drivers, and the food was not fresh at the end

Fuck that. I do my own burgers now

Honestly, we don't do burgers much at all, so when we normally do is when we're on the road. But I largely agree with what you said about the best being grilling your own.

[Blake]

I like Chesters' burgers but man they're expensive enough that when I go there I just wish I had gone to Chris Madrid's instead for a better burger that's just a little more expensive.

I wish Chris was more convenient for me. I haven't been in a long time. I think it was before the fire

[Spurminator]

COVID killed my favorite burger joint in Dallas. Pretty much Burger House or bust for us.

[rmt]

I wish Chris was more convenient for me. I haven't been in a long time. I think it was before the fire

Convenient burgers are the grass-fed, already grilled (just heat up) box from Costco.

[Blake]

Convenient burgers are the grass-fed, already grilled (just heat up) box from Costco.

Convenient for me meaning location but thanks for the microwave burger tip

[Blake]

Convenient burgers are the grass-fed, already grilled (just heat up) box from Costco.

Convenient for me meaning location but thanks for the microwave burger tip

[rmt]

Convenient for me meaning location but thanks for the microwave burger tip

No microwave - steam or bake.

[tholdren]

Burger Boy is pretty good. Their shakes are legit, tbh, and they cook their crinkle cut fries just long enough to get crispy and golden brown.

You lied about having covid. Now you are basking in peoples lives being ruined. How classy of you

[Blake]

No microwave - steam or bake.

Rofl who tf bakes a burger

Sounds inconvenient

[tholdren]

Rofl who tf bakes a burger

Sounds inconvenient

People not at risk for covid probably.

[Blake]

You lied about having covid. Now you are basking in peoples lives being ruined. How classy of you

/Lie

[Blake]

People not at risk for covid probably.

rmt is a senior citizen

[tholdren]

/Lie

Truth

[rmt]

Rofl who tf bakes a burger

Sounds inconvenient

They are pre-cooked, frozen patties, and I don't really use a microwave.

[Chucho]

Rofl who tf bakes a burger

Sounds inconvenient

A meatloaf is basically a baked hamburger.

Also, steaming burgers in the oven is very, very popular in the North East, and IIRC, that is how White Castle makes their burgers.

[Spurminator]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JeblO3xpDqTOAr6/giphy.gif

[tholdren]

THE CDC NEVER RECOMMENDED SCHOOL CLOSURE. But let's use gossip to pretend it did.

[ChumpDumper]

THE CDC NEVER RECOMMENDED SCHOOL CLOSURE. But let's use gossip to pretend it did.Do they have guidelines for reopening schools?

Yes or no.

[tholdren]

Do they have guidelines for reopening schools?

Yes or no.

goalpost move.

[Will Hunting]

Man I love cooking a burger, but I hate the cleanup on my cast iron after since I get that bitch ripping hot, make a couple of really thin patties and put a hard crust on them and then melt cheese on top... which leaves my pan looking like shit and then I gotta clean the fucker and re-season it. Sometimes easier to grab a shitty Whataburger where there is no prep and no cleanup.
Yeah cooking a burger or steak on cast iron is amazing but the cleanup is fucking dreadful. I almost prefer a cast iron steak over putting it on the grill because of how good I’ve gotten at cooking it in cast iron.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump mad because he said schools shouldn't open. Cdc never recommended full shutdown. Fear mandated this move.

Chumpdump going for eradication of all disease before safe to live life.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump all for eugenics.

[ChumpDumper]

goalpost move.You started out with a straw man.

Do they have guidelines for reopening schools?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump all for eugenics.th:lolldren all for lying about everything

[tholdren]

You started out with a straw man.

Do they have guidelines for reopening schools?

Yes or no.

Nope. I just gave a fact. Cdc never recommended all.schools close.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It seems that most of the evidence points to covid not affecting kids much - what do you want - to keep them locked up for years? What about the loss of education, income for parents, etc? Most of the kids are not out now - so most likely it's not them causing the spike - it's the boneheaded young adults who are congregating and not wearing masks.

Meh. Fuck masks. Either give it 100% or not at all.

Besides, distance learning is better anyway. Works with more peoples' schedules, no more commuting, buses, no more kids getting bullied at school for not dressing like the other kids, and you're spotting kids an extra 30+ minutes of sleep by having online education. Plus, less operating expenses (A/C, cafeteria labor, etc).

Online education is a win-win for everyone involved.

How come some old fucks just don't get the point?!

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. I just gave a fact. Cdc never recommended all.schools close.No one said they did.

Why do you lie?

[tholdren]

th:lolldren all for lying about everything
So, why then do you feel like no one npt at risk of death, over 90 percent of the population not live their lives until diseases are eradicated? Or do you only care about covid? Because there are many other things many times more risk than covid, but I don't see you posting.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah cooking a burger or steak on cast iron is amazing but the cleanup is fucking dreadful. I almost prefer a cast iron steak over putting it on the grill because of how good I’ve gotten at cooking it in cast iron.

Just pan-sear it in a regular, non-stick pan with a little canola oil or butter. It's just as good as anything except maybe the grill, but you're not eating benzopyrene with pan-seared. Win-win

[ChumpDumper]

So, why then do you feel like no one npt at risk of death, over 90 percent of the population not live their lives until diseases are eradicated? Or do you only care about covid? Because there are many other things many times more risk than covid, but I don't see you posting.I see you lying about everything.

Why do you lie about everything?

[tholdren]

No one said they did.

Why do you lie?

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280972735187951618?s=09

[tholdren]

ChumpDumper mad because he uses headline grabs to insinuate ignorance and spread gossip then he be like, what i never said that...

Shameful


And he admitted he let someone shame him

What a TimDunkem sympathy move.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280972735187951618?s=09


ChumpDumper mad because he uses headline grabs to insinuate ignorance and spread gossip then he be like, what i never said that...

Shameful


And he admitted he let someone shame him

What a TimDunkem sympathy move.No one here said the CDC recommended school closures.

You're wrong.

Again.

Why do you lie?

[tholdren]

No one here said the CDC recommended school closures.

You're wrong.

Again.

Why do you lie?

Lol eugenicsdumper.


Bwahahahhaaha

[Blake]

A meatloaf is basically a baked hamburger.

CONVENIENT MEATLOAF

[ChumpDumper]

Lol eugenicsdumper.


Bwahahahhaahalol meltdown

Why do you lie about everything?

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280972735187951618?s=09

:lol Phil Kerpen

[tholdren]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280972735187951618?s=09

Chumpdump and co disregard this like science
..

.well covid was in the us since December, but no one really got it until March so we had to shut everything down. But its super highly contagious. But only during lockdown and during reopening....

Lol Dec Jan Feb march conveniently forgot about. Lol

Chumpdump

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump and co disregard this like science
..

.well covid was in the us since December, but no one really got it until March so we had to shut everything down. But its super highly contagious. But only during lockdown and during reopening....

Lol Dec Jan Feb march conveniently forgot about. Lol

Chumpdumpth:loldren meltdown continues

You called it the flu in March before you knew you were wrong and hid in your bunker.

Why do you lie about everything?

[Blake]

Chumpdump and co disregard this like science
..

.well covid was in the us since December, but no one really got it until March so we had to shut everything down. But its super highly contagious. But only during lockdown and during reopening....

Lol Dec Jan Feb march conveniently forgot about. Lol

Chumpdump

Incoherent mess

[Chucho]

Yeah cooking a burger or steak on cast iron is amazing but the cleanup is fucking dreadful. I almost prefer a cast iron steak over putting it on the grill because of how good I’ve gotten at cooking it in cast iron.


Do yuse guys use the chain-mail scrubber to clean your cast iron? I've been using it to clean my cast-iron and wok for the last few years...makes it super easy.

[Will Hunting]

Do yuse guys use the chain-mail scrubber to clean your cast iron? I've been using it to clean my cast-iron and wok for the last few years...makes it super easy.
I just started doing that and it definitely helps.

Quite frankly if I just cleaned right after I ate it wouldn’t be a big deal but I’m usually lazy wait until the morning after :lol

[BSfromTX]

Yeah cooking a burger or steak on cast iron is amazing but the cleanup is fucking dreadful. I almost prefer a cast iron steak over putting it on the grill because of how good I’ve gotten at cooking it in cast iron.


Kent Rollins (think thats his name) has some good videos on how to take care of a cast iron skillet and cook steaks on it. Makes clean up way easier

[BSfromTX]

Yeah cooking a burger or steak on cast iron is amazing but the cleanup is fucking dreadful. I almost prefer a cast iron steak over putting it on the grill because of how good I’ve gotten at cooking it in cast iron.


Kent Rollins (think thats his name) has some good videos on how to take care of a cast iron skillet and cook steaks on it. Makes clean up way easier

[baseline bum]

I just started doing that and it definitely helps.

Quite frankly if I just cleaned right after I ate it wouldn’t be a big deal but I’m usually lazy wait until the morning after :lol

It's still a pain in the ass if I do it right after eating since the bits of cheese left over from the burger harden fast. :lol

[tholdren]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1280972735187951618?s=09

Lol ChumpDumper

[ChumpDumper]

Lol ChumpDumperth:lolldren just keeps lying and melting down

[tholdren]

th:lolldren just keeps lying and melting down

llol ChumpDumper so pwned he's saying I lied even thogh there is a video of the cdc saying do not shut down schools.

Cog dis in full effect

[ChumpDumper]

llol ChumpDumper so pwned he's saying I lied even thogh there is a video of the cdc saying do not shut down schools.

Cog dis in full effectNo one here said the CDC recommended closing down schools.

You lied.

Why do you lie about everything?

[tholdren]

No one here said the CDC recommended closing down schools.

You lied.

Why do you lie about everything?

lolololo you 180 bwahahahaahhaha

[vy65]

I think part of the reason why the virus is fucking us over so badly is that a conversation about the implications of closing schools down devolves into a conversation about hamburgers ...

[boutons_deux]

WH won't say by what power Trash could extort schools into opening by cutting their Federal funding

[ChumpDumper]

lolololo you 180 bwahahahaahhahaNo one here said the CDC recommended closing down schools.

You lied.

Why do you lie about everything?

[boutons_deux]

No one here said the CDC recommended closing down schools.

You lied.

Why do you lie about everything?

Why do you fill up the forum with pissing matches with the troll?

[Blake]

I think part of the reason why the virus is fucking us over so badly is that a conversation about the implications of closing schools down devolves into a conversation about hamburgers ...

Murica

[Will Hunting]

I think part of the reason why the virus is fucking us over so badly is that a conversation about the implications of closing schools down devolves into a conversation about hamburgers ...
Half the posts on the last few pages are on my ignore list, so it’s hard for me to follow :lol

[tholdren]

Why do you fill up the forum with pissing matches with the troll?

because he's in love with gossip

[ducks]

You write like a caveman

You fuck like you fucked once in your life

[midnightpulp]

You fuck like you fucked once in your life

God, I fucking love ducks.

A Spurstalk and national treasure.

[ElNono]

welp

Trump wants to reopen schools. Hint: It's not just about education.
Trump has ramped up a push to return children to the classroom as he tries to restore the economy for his reelection campaign.

President Donald Trump’s push to reopen America’s schools is about more than children’s education. It’s about the economy. And it’s about his reelection.

Because for Trump and his team, the issues are interlinked.

With children out of the house, they argue, parents can more easily return to work and juice the economy — something even the president’s allies consider a necessity for Trump to win reelection. And with Trump’s sagging poll numbers against presumptive 2020 rival Joe Biden, aides also hope the campaign for in-person schooling will play well with the female and suburban voters the president needs to remain in office.

But the push is also driving a furious response from teachers unions, parents and others in the education world who say they need more funding to reopen safely and that Trump’s political priorities will put children and educators in harm’s way.

...

“President Trump understands education is the single greatest equalizer in our society and that we need to get children back into the classroom so they do not fall behind and parents can return to work,” Trump campaign spokeswoman Samantha Zager said.

Some allies also hope the campaign to reopen schools can help Trump win over some independent voters.

“Trump is pushing to reopen schools because it’s a major issue for working families,” said Dan Eberhart, a major Republican donor and CEO of the drilling services company Canary LLC. “It goes to his economy focus. Working parents, regardless of political affiliation, cannot afford to be home schooling, they have to go to work or lose their job. It’s a wedge issue that hits swing voters

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/trump-reopen-schools-353245

[Spurminator]

I think part of the reason why the virus is fucking us over so badly is that a conversation about the implications of closing schools down devolves into a conversation about hamburgers ...

Meh there's already several COVID threads, and plenty of threads of TSA just repeating the Trump PR message.

We need a good burger thread every once in a while.

[tholdren]

Meh there's already several COVID threads, and plenty of threads of TSA just repeating the Trump PR message.

We need a good burger thread every once in a while.

cdc never recommended shutting down schools only prople.like TimDunkem

[ChumpDumper]

cdc never recommended shutting down schools only prople.like TimDunkemShow the post where he said that.

[tholdren]

Show the post where he said that.

Lololol chasing me around. Pwned

[ChumpDumper]

Lololol chasing me around. Pwnedf:lolldren folds

Why do you lie about literally everything?

[TimDunkem]

f:lolldren folds

Why do you lie about literally everything?

Bwahaha Bumdren talking about being followed. :lmao

And today was a slow day for th:lolldren
https://i.imgur.com/uygsntG.jpg

[tholdren]

Bwahaha Bumdren talking about being followed. :lmao

And today was a slow day for th:lolldren
https://i.imgur.com/uygsntG.jpg

irony. You followed me to find that. Scary.

Not as scary as you lying about having covid but close.

[TimDunkem]

Following me into the Spurs forum now. :lmao Obsessed :lmao Meltdoooooownnnnn