Supreme Court rules over 1/3 of Oklahoma is a Native American reservation

[Trill Clinton]

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Where my Native brethren at? Lets celebrate SpursforSix Chucho:toast

[SpursforSix]

There's a great book called, "Killers of the Flower Moon : The Osage Murders and Birth of the FBI". Talks about how the Osage were run off their original land and forced to settle on some rocky barren area in Oklahoma.
Turned out that area was over a massive amount of oil. At one point in time, the Osage Indians were the richest people on earth on a per-capita basis.

Anyway, it's an interesting read. Just for the murder mystery part of it.
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[boutons_deux]

Hilarious to see the 4 rightwingnutjobs abandoning, like Scalia, textualism/originalism, when it doesn't suit their politics.

One problem with ruling was pointed out, that 100s of cases litigated in state court were litigated correctly, and are now perhaps to be thrown out.

Quite amazing that SCOTUS would rule that the USA must respect Indian treaties, when the USA has for 100+ years raped every Indian treaty, repeatedly.

[SpursforSix]

Interesting that this came out of a sex crime case.


The case concerned Jimcy McGirt, a member of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation who was convicted of sex crimes against a child by state authorities in the Nation’s historical boundaries. He said that only federal authorities were entitled to prosecute him.
Mr. McGirt argued that Congress had never clearly destroyed the sovereignty of the Creek Nation over the area, covering about half the state. The solicitor general of Oklahoma took the opposite view, saying the area had never been reservation land.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/supreme-court-oklahoma-mcgirt-creek-nation.html

[Chucho]

Awesome to hear. Now maybe my tribe (Commanche from OK) can get our gaming rights restored since we got raped on that deal.

[SpursforSix]

Awesome to hear. Now maybe my tribe (Commanche from OK) can get our gaming rights restored since we got raped on that deal.

From what I read, this seems to only apply to legal jurisdiction and doesn't contemplate returning any real land rights.
I think anyway.

[Chucho]

Hilarious to see the 4 rightwingnutjobs abandoning, like Scalia, textualism/originalism, when it doesn't suit their politics.

One problem with ruling was pointed out, that 100s of cases litigated in state court were litigated correctly, and are now perhaps to be thrown out.

Quite amazing that SCOTUS would rule that the USA must respect Indian treaties, when the USA has for 100+ years raped every Indian treaty, repeatedly.


You're just the worst. You offer nothing and pretty sure your near-death mother is getting close to choosing between supporting her failure of a son and her generic cigarettes and Dish Network bill.

[SpursforSix]

You're just the worst. You offer nothing and pretty sure your near-death mother is getting close to choosing between supporting her failure of a son and her generic cigarettes and Dish Network bill.

I pay for her Dish bill. Not an issue.

[Chucho]

From what I read, this seems to only apply to legal jurisdiction and doesn't contemplate returning any real land rights.
I think anyway.

Honestly, don't care about our land rights, OK land is just that...Oklahoma land. The government paid people to settle it for a reason.

I just want my tribe to be able to cash in. Commanches traded gaming rights for "recognition" and got fawked.

Let us take your money like all the other tribes. We're literally the largest tribe in the country and even the smallest tribes have Casinos.


What tribe do you belong to, SFS?

I wont lie. I don't know my tribal history as well as I should. I just know my great grandfather was a Commanche born in 1902 on the Oklahoma reservation and relocated to Texas in 1929. He married my great grandmother who held a land treaty from La Villa de Bexar dated 1830 something.

This treaty was so strong, we had property on the Guadalupe River in New Braunfels. I wish I had the exact address, but if you know where that shanty was on the elbow turn on the river, that shanty stood for over 160 years because of that treaty. My great grandmother housed many a relative from down south there and kept that shanty occupied til her death in 2011.

There's even an article from the 60's about my family running that farm and a stuck pig that ran from the ranch, slid down the (then mudded) slope into the river in front of hundreds of toobers and river goers.

[Chucho]

replace "treaty" with "deed" plz.

[Chucho]

I pay for her Dish bill. Not an issue.

She smokes 3 packs a day, man. Pretty sure she is most thankful for you keeping her day filled with Judges Judy, Mathis and Brown.

[SpursforSix]

What tribe do you belong to, SFS?



Sadly, I don't know. I grew up knowing that my grandfather was 1/4 something. I might have even known the tribe when I was little. But by the time I really became interested in it, he had passed. Along with my mom and her two sisters. (not all at the same time).
I tried using Ancestry to track him back but I hit a dead end. And from what I understand, the genealogy tests can't tell you what tribe.

Any ideas on how to figure this out would be appreciated.

[SpursforSix]

She smokes 3 packs a day, man. Pretty sure she is most thankful for you keeping her day filled with Judges Judy, Mathis and Brown.

Shit...I just pay for it to give me something to watch while she takes a shower.

[clambake]

Sadly, I don't know. I grew up knowing that my grandfather was 1/4 something. I might have even known the tribe when I was little. But by the time I really became interested in it, he had passed. Along with my mom and her two sisters. (not all at the same time).
I tried using Ancestry to track him back but I hit a dead end. And from what I understand, the genealogy tests can't tell you what tribe.

Any ideas on how to figure this out would be appreciated.

I think you’re from the Rico suave tribe.

[SpursforSix]

I think you’re from the Rico suave tribe.

Oh for sure. I'm 50% RS. I'm just trying to figure out the rest. Some of it is probably whatever race is best at blues and trivia.
And then whatever left is from super fast race. Maybe Jamaican.

[SpursforSix]

I think you’re from the Rico suave tribe.

so I decided to see what Rico was up to and it turns out his daughter was Miss California at some point.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Nadia_Mejia_2015.jpg

[SpursforSix]

lol at that giant picture

[leemajors]

There's a great book called, "Killers of the Flower Moon : The Osage Murders and Birth of the FBI". Talks about how the Osage were run off their original land and forced to settle on some rocky barren area in Oklahoma.
Turned out that area was over a massive amount of oil. At one point in time, the Osage Indians were the richest people on earth on a per-capita basis.

Anyway, it's an interesting read. Just for the murder mystery part of it.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/3f/25/dc3f2589e6a93b6e9a19c73153754451.jpg

I'll check that book for sure, read Empire of the Summer Moon and the Heart of Everything That Is recently

[SpursforSix]

I'll check that book for sure, read Empire of the Summer Moon and the Heart of Everything That Is recently

:tu

I think I'll check out EOSM.

[Nathan89]

Imagine my shock to see people that hate America excited to lose a large chunk of land.

[Nathan89]

This is just another factor to the inevitable division of the States.

[Trainwreck2100]

It should be noted, that this loss is 100% on Trump, Gorshich was the tiebreaker and he is a litteralist in terms of how he interprets tribal law.

[RandomGuy]

Awesome to hear. Now maybe my tribe (Commanche from OK) can get our gaming rights restored since we got raped on that deal.

Hope so. :bobo

[Nathan89]

It should be noted that a majority is needed and they got a majority with 5 of the 9. Therefore it's not on one person.

[Nathan89]

Oklahoma citizens should conquer the land again from their new overlords tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Hilarious to see the 4 rightwingnutjobs abandoning, like Scalia, textualism/originalism, when it doesn't suit their politics.

One problem with ruling was pointed out, that 100s of cases litigated in state court were litigated correctly, and are now perhaps to be thrown out.

Quite amazing that SCOTUS would rule that the USA must respect Indian treaties, when the USA has for 100+ years raped every Indian treaty, repeatedly.
Thomas/Alito are jokes, partisan hacks disguised as Supreme Court justices. Kavanaugh isn’t too far behind but I don’t think he’s as bad as they are.

Im optimistic Gorsuch has at least some semblance of integrity.

[Nathan89]

The total destruction of the United States will happen in your lifetime if you are young.

[Trainwreck2100]

Oklahoma citizens should conquer the land again from their new overlords tbh.

white people stealing native's rightful land won't go down as easy as before, what with their resistance to smallpox and cell phones.

[Trainwreck2100]

Thomas/Alito are jokes, partisan hacks disguised as Supreme Court justices. Kavanaugh isn’t too far behind but I don’t think he’s as bad as they are.

Im optimistic Gorsuch has at least some semblance of integrity.

He'll fuck over the women which I'm fine with, but he'll still fuck over the poor like a good republican, which I'm not good with.

[spurraider21]

Imagine my shock to see people that hate America excited to lose a large chunk of land.


This is just another factor to the inevitable division of the States.


It should be noted that a majority is needed and they got a majority with 5 of the 9. Therefore it's not on one person.


Oklahoma citizens should conquer the land again from their new overlords tbh.


The total destruction of the United States will happen in your lifetime if you are young.

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[spurraider21]

same guy criticizing libs for being triggered by trump winning the election cries for civil war every time something happens he doesnt like

[Will Hunting]

He'll fuck over the women which I'm fine with, but he'll still fuck over the poor like a good republican, which I'm not good with.
Yeah fuck it you’re probably right.

As much as Democrats like to drool over John Roberts as some American hero simply because he isn’t as corrupt as Alito or Thomas, he is just as bad as them on rich people shit. Gorsuch probably will be too.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah fuck it you’re probably right.

As much as Democrats like to drool over John Roberts as some American hero simply because he isn’t as corrupt as Alito or Thomas, he is just as bad as them on rich people shit. Gorsuch probably will be too.
I heard an interview with a supreme court reporter that Roberts is the most powerful justice since the 30s because he's the chief justice and swing vote all at once. Like I said before though, I only see Roberts in this swing role till Trump's gone, because he doesn't want to set the precedents that give Dems the broad powers Trump wants.

[baseline bum]

The total destruction of the United States will happen in your lifetime if you are young.

Your boy has it off to a great start.

[Nathan89]

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What's your point? He didn't create the idea and it's looking increasingly likely. Seems like a newsworthy topic to discuss. Perhaps msm could discuss it when they get tired of witch-hunting high school kids.

[Nathan89]

Your boy has it off to a great start.

The left has been hacking away for decades tbh. They have mainstream hatred of this country.

[midnightpulp]

:lol Nathan seems to be having a bad day.

[ElNono]

It should be noted that a majority is needed and they got a majority with 5 of the 9. Therefore it's not on one person.

Oklahoma citizens should conquer the land again from their new overlords tbh.

The total destruction of the United States will happen in your lifetime if you are young.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0WIzSSWwAYIbI9.jpg

[clambake]

Psycho nathan from psycho nation

[baseline bum]

The left has been hacking away for decades tbh. They have mainstream hatred of this country.

LOL you're the ones who like to worship the slavers who actually did tear this country apart, took up arms against the United States, and killed a few hundred thousand Americans, and now you're itching to do it again.

[Nathan89]

Imagine my shock to see people that hate America excited to lose a large chunk of land.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rabid Nathan89 :lol

My man, so long as the Zionists and Jewish supremacists have control over our government, shit like this is gonna keep happening. They're nor your friend. Wake up.

[ChumpDumper]

I suggest Nathan take his neck out of the noose and read the actual implications of the ruling.

On second thought....

[pgardn]

The total destruction of the United States will happen in your lifetime if you are young.

Oh its the second coming, end days fer sure.

Lunatic...

[pgardn]

Rabid Nathan89 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20260) :lol

My man, so long as the Zionists and Jewish supremacists have control over our government, shit like this is gonna keep happening. They're nor your friend. Wake up.

Oh the other end days guy, the Chews will rule the world and then what happens to my Muhammad?

[Spurminator]

:lol Nathan seems to be having a bad day.

He's having a bad existence.

[Trainwreck2100]

I suggest Nathan take his neck out of the noose and read the actual implications of the ruling.

On second thought....

that one rapist and that other murderer bout to hit fed prison.

[spurraider21]

Imagine my shock to see people that hate America excited to lose a large chunk of land.
Acknowledging historical wrongdoing = hating america

have you considered fascism? Think you’d be a fan

[CosmicCowboy]

If the indians think this is a victory they will live to regret it. If you are a criminal you damn sure want to get tried in a state court and not federal. The sentencing guidelines congress passed are fucked up and there isn't any parole with the feds.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Thomas/Alito are jokes, partisan hacks disguised as Supreme Court justices

That's 2 for team red

4 for team blue. never once seen Old Man Ice Cream, Dyke, fat Messicana or zombie old jewish lady sway. Not once.

[ChumpDumper]

That's 2 for team red

4 for team blue. never once seen Old Man Ice Cream, Dyke, fat Messicana or zombie old jewish lady sway. Not once.You missed all the religion rulings.

[Will Hunting]

If the indians think this is a victory they will live to regret it. If you are a criminal you damn sure want to get tried in a state court and not federal. The sentencing guidelines congress passed are fucked up and there isn't any parole with the feds.
That’s what I was wondering, is this just a ruling about criminal jurisdiction? If so, to your point I’m not sure why they want federal jurisdiction.

[Will Hunting]

You missed all the religion rulings.
Or the recent 9-0 ruling on Chris Christie’s bridgegate.

If it was a Dem politician responsible for bridge gate rather than Chris Christie, Thomas Alito and Kavanaugh would have all been voting in the other direction.

[ChumpDumper]

That’s what I was wondering, is this just a ruling about criminal jurisdiction? If so, to your point I’m not sure why they want federal jurisdiction.I think federal prosecutions have no possibility of the death penalty for one or both of the plaintiffs in this case.

[Spurtacular]

Or the recent 9-0 ruling on Chris Christie’s bridgegate.

If it was a Dem politician responsible for bridge gate rather than Chris Christie, Thomas Alito and Kavanaugh would have all been voting in the other direction.

What's all the other judge's excuses?

[Trainwreck2100]

That's 2 for team red

4 for team blue. never once seen Old Man Ice Cream, Dyke, fat Messicana or zombie old jewish lady sway. Not once.

https://apnews.com/65d64e383b5b90cb8620c35ab2bcaecc
here's one

[Winehole23]

Another 5-4 decision

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