Churches Were Eager to Reopen. Now They Are Confronting Coronavirus Cases.

[Blake]

"PENDLETON, Ore. — Weeks after President Trump demanded that America’s shuttered houses of worship be allowed to reopen, new outbreaks of the coronavirus are surging through churches across the country where services have resumed.

The virus has infiltrated Sunday sermons, meetings of ministers and Christian youth camps in Colorado and Missouri. It has struck churches that reopened cautiously with face masks and social distancing in the pews, as well as some that defied lockdowns and refused to heed new limits on numbers of worshipers.

Pastors and their families have tested positive, as have church ushers, front-door greeters and hundreds of churchgoers. In Texas, about 50 people contracted the virus after a pastor told congregants they could once again hug one another. In Florida, a teenage girl died last month after attending a youth party at her church...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/coronavirus-churches-outbreaks.html

[ChumpDumper]

"PENDLETON, Ore. — Weeks after President Trump demanded that America’s shuttered houses of worship be allowed to reopen, new outbreaks of the coronavirus are surging through churches across the country where services have resumed.

The virus has infiltrated Sunday sermons, meetings of ministers and Christian youth camps in Colorado and Missouri. It has struck churches that reopened cautiously with face masks and social distancing in the pews, as well as some that defied lockdowns and refused to heed new limits on numbers of worshipers.

Pastors and their families have tested positive, as have church ushers, front-door greeters and hundreds of churchgoers. In Texas, about 50 people contracted the virus after a pastor told congregants they could once again hug one another. In Florida, a teenage girl died last month after attending a youth party at her church...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/coronavirus-churches-outbreaks.htmlAntifa infiltration.

All according to the plan.

[Will Hunting]

God is a real dick. If he isn’t protecting assholes like me from getting COVID that’s one thing, but he won’t even protect his flock.

What a fucking asshole tbh.

[baseline bum]

In Texas, about 50 people contracted the virus after a pastor told congregants they could once again hug one another.

That church is in fucking Universal City. Calvary Church. Sucks because I'm in that same shopping center that pos church is in a lot to get pizza or Vietnamese food.

[ChumpDumper]

One potential problem is that if a congregation doesn't get infected, it might get more lax in its mitigation measures (if it has any). Once a spreader does get in there, the impact could be worse than if it had happened the first week.

[TSA]

"PENDLETON, Ore. — Weeks after President Trump demanded that America’s shuttered houses of worship be allowed to reopen, new outbreaks of the coronavirus are surging through churches across the country where services have resumed.

The virus has infiltrated Sunday sermons, meetings of ministers and Christian youth camps in Colorado and Missouri. It has struck churches that reopened cautiously with face masks and social distancing in the pews, as well as some that defied lockdowns and refused to heed new limits on numbers of worshipers.

Pastors and their families have tested positive, as have church ushers, front-door greeters and hundreds of churchgoers. In Texas, about 50 people contracted the virus after a pastor told congregants they could once again hug one another. In Florida, a teenage girl died last month after attending a youth party at her church...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/coronavirus-churches-outbreaks.html


More than 650 cases have been linked to religious facilities during the pandemic

Oh my god 650 cases out of 3.2 million cases :rollin

[Will Hunting]

Quite frankly if everyone retarded enough to sit shoulder to shoulder with other people in a crowded ass church right now got COVID-19 and died, it would be an amazing case of Darwinism.

[TSA]

Perfect thread for this hot take :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1281667806472351745

[baseline bum]

Quite frankly if everyone retarded enough to sit shoulder to shoulder with other people in a crowded ass church right now got COVID-19 and died, it would be an amazing case of Darwinism.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. :lol

[Blake]

Oh my god 650 cases out of 3.2 million cases :rollin

650 cases linked to 40 churches that were open on Sunday for a couple of hours.

BUT LET'S GET THOSE THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS OPEN AND GOING

[TSA]

650 cases linked to 40 churches that were open on Sunday for a couple of hours.

BUT LET'S GET THOSE THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS OPEN AND GOING


More than 650 coronavirus cases have been linked to nearly 40 churches and religious events across the United States since the beginning of the pandemic

650 cases :lmao

[boutons_deux]

650 cases :lmao

so what's your advice?

what's your guidance in the face of the surging pandemic?

If you were responsible for telling people how to handle their lives to survive the pandemic, what would it be?

[hater]

:lol there is a heat map of Covid fires and next to a map of bible belt bible thumping counties. Its fucking exact copies :lol

Ill make a thread of it soon

[Blake]

650 cases :lmao

Churches are only open a couple of days a week. I don't know if you knew that.

[Spurtacular]

Churches are only open a couple of days a week. I don't know if you knew that.

You know that because you're a parishioner.

[Spurtacular]

650 cases linked to 40 churches that were open on Sunday for a couple of hours.

BUT LET'S GET THOSE THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS OPEN AND GOING

:lol "Linked"

How many have been linked to Wal Mart? Target? Costco?

[Blake]

You know that because you're a parishioner.

Anyone with a lick of common knowledge knows it.

[Blake]

:lol "Linked"

How many have been linked to Wal Mart? Target? Costco?

This simple stuff is apparently way over your head. Go back and play in your sandbox thread

[Spurtacular]

Anyone with a lick of common knowledge knows it.

You know it because you're a parishioner.

[Spurtacular]

This simple stuff is apparently way over your head. Go back and play in your sandbox thread

It's simple that you don't know?

How many cases have been linked to Wal Mart and Costco?

Or are you just interested in targeting the churches?

[TSA]

Perfect thread for this hot take :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1281667806472351745

https://twitter.com/RonColeman/status/1282505435682156545

[RandomGuy]

Oh my god 650 cases out of 3.2 million cases :rollin

Alt-right math. :lol I see why the other thread.

[points out failure of reasoning by asking pointed question that will be ignored]

[RandomGuy]

:lol "Linked"

How many have been linked to Wal Mart? Target? Costco?

We don't know. The reason we don't know: No contact tracing. More bungling by the Trump adminstation.

Even when you try to be cute... it merely highlights more Trump bungling. :lol

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/RonColeman/status/1282505435682156545

We're not at war in Vietnam. What a stupid comparison.

[hater]

In Texas, about 50 people contracted the virus after a pastor told congregants they could once again hug one another. In Florida, a teenage girl died last month after attending a youth party at her church...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/coronavirus-churches-outbreaks.html

:lmao Darwineatingpopcorn.gif :lol

[hater]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. :lol

:lol

[Spurtacular]

We don't know. The reason we don't know: No contact tracing. More bungling by the Trump adminstation.

Even when you try to be cute... it merely highlights more Trump bungling. :lol

Why would they be contact tracing for churches and not stores? That seems like targeting to me.

[TSA]

We're not at war in Vietnam. What a stupid comparison.

Would you consider the 2nd highest death rate per capita in the country an accomplishment by a competent government? Yes or no.

[Blake]

Would you consider the 2nd highest death rate per capita in the country an accomplishment by a competent government? Yes or no.

False question that has nothing to do with Vietnam either.

I think New York did what anyone knew to do at the time. What would you have done different? Lay it out.

[TSA]

False question that has nothing to do with Vietnam either.

I think New York did what anyone knew to do at the time. What would you have done different? Lay it out.

I would not have forced long term care facilities/nursing homes to accept covid positive patients.

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1282497128389062656

Would you consider the 2nd highest death rate per capita in the country an accomplishment by a competent government? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

Why would they be contact tracing for churches and not stores? That seems like targeting to me.

(facepalm) They would contract tracing for both. That is what contract tracing is.

[boutons_deux]

goddamn, ST rightwingnutjobs are fucking stupid

[Blake]

I would not have forced long term care facilities/nursing homes to accept covid positive patients.

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1282497128389062656

Would you consider the 2nd highest death rate per capita in the country an accomplishment by a competent government? Yes or no.

Back when New York was peaking, yeah there was a lot of incompetence at the mayor, governor and presidential levels. If "forcing nursing homes to accept covid patients" is the only thing you'd change, then you'd have been just as incompetent.

The difference today is that a lot of states haven't learned from what worked and didn't work for New York back in April. This is July and Texas finally is mandating masks and the President is finally wearing one. There's really little to no excuse for Texas, Arizona and Florida being this ridiculously incompetent.

[TSA]

Back when New York was peaking, yeah there was a lot of incompetence at the mayor, governor and presidential levels. If "forcing nursing homes to accept covid patients" is the only thing you'd change, then you'd have been just as incompetent.

The difference today is that a lot of states haven't learned from what worked and didn't work for New York back in April. This is July and Texas finally is mandating masks and the President is finally wearing one. There's really little to no excuse for Texas, Arizona and Florida being this ridiculously incompetent.What's California's excuse?

[DMC]

Everyone who's contracted COVID and/or died of it did so after doing something.

[hater]

Everyone who's contracted COVID and/or died of it did so after doing something.

Incorrect

Plenty old/sick ppl contract3d lying in bed

[DMC]

Incorrect

Plenty old/sick ppl contract3d lying in bed

So in their entire lives they did nothing else? Ever?

So being in hospital worse than being in church?

[boutons_deux]

What's California's excuse?

no excuse, just stupid fucks, like in all red states, not following guidance.

[Spurtacular]

(facepalm) They would contract tracing for both. That is what contract tracing is.

You just said they weren't, ass wipe.

But okay; tell us the cases from grocery stores, Wal Mart, etc.

[Spurtacular]

Back when New York was peaking, yeah there was a lot of incompetence at the mayor, governor and presidential levels. If "forcing nursing homes to accept covid patients" is the only thing you'd change, then you'd have been just as incompetent.

The difference today is that a lot of states haven't learned from what worked and didn't work for New York back in April. This is July and Texas finally is mandating masks and the President is finally wearing one. There's really little to no excuse for Texas, Arizona and Florida being this ridiculously incompetent.

If you die, blake, it'll be because you ate too much McDonalds. The COVID boogeyman isn't why.

[DMC]

What's California's excuse?

Blue state, they get the stern talking to.

[Blake]

What's California's excuse?

They have none. Neither do most of the three dozen states that waited way too long to impose mask rules.

I haven't looked but I think Florida still doesn't.

"Florida health officials reported Sunday a staggering record of new cases in a single day: 15,300. If Florida were a country, it would be the fourth highest in the world in reporting new cases. The state would rank 10th in the list of nations with the most cases, according to data from Johns Hopkins University data...."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

[DMC]

They have none. Neither do most of the three dozen states that waited way too long to impose mask rules.

I haven't looked but I think Florida still doesn't.

"Florida health officials reported Sunday a staggering record of new cases in a single day: 15,300. If Florida were a country, it would be the fourth highest in the world in reporting new cases. The state would rank 10th in the list of nations with the most cases, according to data from Johns Hopkins University data...."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html
Why keep mentioning world rankings when so many countries either under report or don't report at all? You act like it means something factual.

[DMC]

Also NY has 3x the deaths that Florida, Texas and Arizona have COMBINED, yet NY is doing things right. :lmao

[hater]

So in their entire lives they did nothing else? Ever??

Some, sure

[hater]

So in their entire lives they did nothing else? Ever??

Some, sure

[Blake]

Why keep mentioning world rankings when so many countries either under report or don't report at all? You act like it means something factual.

Just perspective. If you want to dismiss it you can.

[DMC]

no excuse, just stupid fucks, like in all red states, not following guidance.

Wait, I thought Trump was a fault? What guidance and are you saying the states have a choice to not follow guidance? how can that be since the President controls all states?

[Blake]

Also NY has 3x the deaths that Florida, Texas and Arizona have COMBINED, yet NY is doing things right. :lmao

How do you explain New York hitting zero? Luck?

[Blake]

Wait, I thought Trump was a fault? What guidance and are you saying the states have a choice to not follow guidance? how can that be since the President controls all states?

DMC Trump partisan mode activated

[DMC]

Some, sure

So then there's a risk even laying in a fucking bed, doing nothing your entire life and somehow The great Christian hunter Blake singles out a specific group he just doesn't like.

[DMC]

How do you explain New York hitting zero? Luck?

When Texas hits 30K we'll see what happens.

btw, 41 deaths today for NY. 2nd highest in the nation.

[Blake]

When Texas hits 30K we'll see what happens.

btw, 41 deaths today for NY.

Not an answer.

[DMC]

Not an answer.

It is an answer. If they did something to reach zero deaths (other than everyone dying already), why didn't it stick?

Also, I think you're talking about NYC. Comparing states to cities :lol

[Blake]

So then there's a risk even laying in a fucking bed, doing nothing your entire life and somehow The great Christian hunter Blake singles out a specific group he just doesn't like.

Then there's DMC who pretends to be an honest broker

[Blake]

It is an answer. If they did something to reach zero deaths (other than everyone dying already), why didn't it stick?

It's a cop out

[DMC]

Then there's DMC who pretends to be an honest broker

I didn't start this thread. You found yet another TGY level anti-Christian cause.

[DMC]

It's a cop out

You asked why a city hit zero deaths reported. It's because they reported zero deaths. China reported zero deaths. Amazing, they must be onto something.

[TSA]

They have none. Neither do most of the three dozen states that waited way too long to impose mask rules.

I haven't looked but I think Florida still doesn't.

"Florida health officials reported Sunday a staggering record of new cases in a single day: 15,300. If Florida were a country, it would be the fourth highest in the world in reporting new cases. The state would rank 10th in the list of nations with the most cases, according to data from Johns Hopkins University data...."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

You seem to like perspective.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1282342503329431552

[TSA]

They have none. Neither do most of the three dozen states that waited way too long to impose mask rules.

I haven't looked but I think Florida still doesn't.

"Florida health officials reported Sunday a staggering record of new cases in a single day: 15,300. If Florida were a country, it would be the fourth highest in the world in reporting new cases. The state would rank 10th in the list of nations with the most cases, according to data from Johns Hopkins University data...."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

Now do deaths per capita and we’ll pretend Florida and New York are countries.

[DMC]

Now do deaths per capita and we’ll pretend Florida and New York are countries.

NY did some things and some people died, but still... Florida!

[ChumpDumper]

You seem to like perspective.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1282342503329431552:lmao let's pretend that conditions and knowledge were exactly the same back in April.

The backflips you guys are doing....TX, FL, CA and AZ all fucked up. Our respective fuck ups have nothing to do with NY.

[TSA]

They have none. Neither do most of the three dozen states that waited way too long to impose mask rules.

I haven't looked but I think Florida still doesn't.

"Florida health officials reported Sunday a staggering record of new cases in a single day: 15,300. If Florida were a country, it would be the fourth highest in the world in reporting new cases. The state would rank 10th in the list of nations with the most cases, according to data from Johns Hopkins University data...."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

Some more perspective for you

https://mobile.twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1282765079285506048

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Cuomo triggers the living gummi out of you guys.

[TSA]

They have none. Neither do most of the three dozen states that waited way too long to impose mask rules.

I haven't looked but I think Florida still doesn't.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html:lol another article you didn’t read...this time it’s the one you quoted and linked.

“But precautions have been met with heavy backlash from many officials and residents and some governors have stayed away from statewide mask orders, including Florida.”

[hater]

So then there's a risk even laying in a fucking bed, doing nothing your entire life and somehow The great Christian hunter Blake singles out a specific group he just doesn't like.

Sure.

Your original statement is still incorrect tho

[hater]

Now do deaths

* ding

[Blake]

:lmao let's pretend that conditions and knowledge were exactly the same back in April.

The backflips you guys are doing....TX, FL, CA and AZ all fucked up. Our respective fuck ups have nothing to do with NY.

whataboutnewyork in April

[Blake]

:lol another article you didn’t read...this time it’s the one you quoted and linked.

“But precautions have been met with heavy backlash from many officials and residents and some governors have stayed away from statewide mask orders, including Florida.”

K, thanks for confirming Florida is still being ridiculously stupid today in July.

[Blake]

:lol Cuomo triggers the living gummi out of you guys.

:lol det gummi

[TSA]

:lol det gummi

:lol det perspective you don’t care about anymore

[benefactor]

:lol religious gatherings. Can't you guys worship on some kind of video platform with each other? I'm sure Sky Daddy doesn't care how you get it done. Just be sure to mail in that tithe check

[DMC]

Sure.

Your original statement is still incorrect tho

No, laying in bed is what they were doing, idiot.

[DMC]

* ding

:lmao deaths are a red herring now

[Blake]

:lol det perspective you don’t care about anymore

You're stuck in April. This is July.

[TSA]

You're stuck in April. This is July.

You think New York’s deaths rate per capita looks any better in July? :lmao

If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?

[Blake]

You're stuck in April. This is July.

[TSA]

Poor fella just can’t do it. If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?

[TSA]

:lol det perspective

[Blake]

The TSA rodeo

[ChumpDumper]

Trumpers just trying to run out the clock on any conversation until....I guess if Biden takes office they can start blaming him....

[midnightpulp]

You think New York’s deaths rate per capita looks any better in July? :lmao

If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?

What's your end game with the New York references?

"I'm tired of Cuomo being labeled a hero by the evil liberal media while they drag Lord DeSantis through the mud. Think of the nursing homes!"

I'll be with you on the nursing home fuck up if an investigation reveals Cuomo and Co. had other options to send patients. The Comfort ship had an arm's length list of patients they couldn't accept and the Javitis Center, which was supposed to be the primary stopgap to take overflow, reached capacity with 1000+ patients. Look at NY's ICU headroom throughout their surge.

https://i.imgur.com/wcTQNXk.png

If there's nowhere to divert overflow but nursing homes, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do here in that situation? Send a recovering patient who still probably needs a certain level care back home?

Look at FL's ICU strain during the initial outbreak.

https://i.imgur.com/cpbc8Ta.png

Florida was never forced to make tough decisions on where to send patients because they operated below capacity, simply because Florida was never, ever under a risk of a surge close to New York due to the weather at the time, the relative population density, and perhaps Florida's population being less susceptible to severe cases per the Vitamin D deficiency theory. NY's flu death rate is twice as high as Florida's flu death rate.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm

Furthermore, New York counts probable deaths while FL only counts confirmed deaths via test. You can see it here. Florida has had nearly 8K pneumonia deaths with/without Covid, excluding the flu. They have one of the highest ratios of non-flu pneumonia deaths to confirmed Covid deaths in the country.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

You'll see in states that count probable deaths, they usually show more Covid deaths than non-flu pneumonia deaths.

The reason DeathSentence (yea, deserves that name. Not closing Disneyworld while cases are surging and ICU capacity is strained) gets criticism is because he did everything wrong at the start and fumbled his way into a good result because of the weather and population density factors. During the Spring, the weather was more temperate, so more people outside. Now that it's summer, people are spending more time in air conditioned spaces, which is a perfect breeding ground for the virus. And DeathSentence is still refusing to take action, likely thinking he'll get lucky again. He won't. FL has had a 15%+ positive rate over the last 3 weeks and that was with doing a lot of testing. The median age has risen. ICUs are being strained. It's sneaking into nursing homes now.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/10/new-smyrna-beach-nursing-home-latest-volusia-facility-with-coronavirus-outbreak/

And yes, he has a baked in "win" vs. NY. Florida's environment just isn't as conducive to the massive and rapid spread New York endured. I think every year NY runs about a 5x higher flu infection rate than FL. At the end of this, he can pat himself on the back and say they didn't get as bad as NY, but it won't mean he took better action than Cuomo.

[ChumpDumper]

Everything is fine. Set the old people up in the Haunted Mansion for some added realism.

[TSA]

The TSA rodeo

I can always count on you to bring your white flag to wave around.

[TSA]

What's your end game with the New York references?

"I'm tired of Cuomo being labeled a hero by the evil liberal media while they drag Lord DeSantis through the mud. Think of the nursing homes!"

I'll be with you on the nursing home fuck up if an investigation reveals Cuomo and Co. had other options to send patients. The Comfort ship had an arm's length list of patients they couldn't accept and the Javitis Center, which was supposed to be the primary stopgap to take overflow, reached capacity with 1000+ patients. Look at NY's ICU headroom throughout their surge.

https://i.imgur.com/wcTQNXk.png

If there's nowhere to divert overflow but nursing homes, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do here in that situation? Send a recovering patient who still probably needs a certain level care back home?

Look at FL's ICU strain during the initial outbreak.

https://i.imgur.com/cpbc8Ta.png

Florida was never forced to make tough decisions on where to send patients because they operated below capacity, simply because Florida was never, ever under a risk of a surge close to New York due to the weather at the time, the relative population density, and perhaps Florida's population being less susceptible to severe cases per the Vitamin D deficiency theory. NY's flu death rate is twice as high as Florida's flu death rate.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm

Furthermore, New York counts probable deaths while FL only counts confirmed deaths via test. You can see it here. Florida has had nearly 8K pneumonia deaths with/without Covid, excluding the flu. They have one of the highest ratios of non-flu pneumonia deaths to confirmed Covid deaths in the country.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

You'll see in states that count probable deaths, they usually show more Covid deaths than non-flu pneumonia deaths.

The reason DeathSentence (yea, deserves that name. Not closing Disneyworld while cases are surging and ICU capacity is strained) gets criticism is because he did everything wrong at the start and fumbled his way into a good result because of the weather and population density factors. During the Spring, the weather was more temperate, so more people outside. Now that it's summer, people are spending more time in air conditioned spaces, which is a perfect breeding ground for the virus. And DeathSentence is still refusing to take action, likely thinking he'll get lucky again. He won't. FL has had a 15%+ positive rate over the last 3 weeks and that was with doing a lot of testing. The median age has risen. ICUs are being strained. It's sneaking into nursing homes now.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/10/new-smyrna-beach-nursing-home-latest-volusia-facility-with-coronavirus-outbreak/

And yes, he has a baked in "win" vs. NY. Florida's environment just isn't as conducive to the massive and rapid spread New York endured. I think every year NY runs about a 5x higher flu infection rate than FL. At the end of this, he can pat himself on the back and say they didn't get as bad as NY, but it won't mean he took better action than Cuomo.

I only bring up New York when Blake brings up Florida and compares it to the rest of the world "for perspective". Pushing fear porn record setting positive test case count without mentioning the amount of tests being done in Florida is disingenuous at best.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1282342503329431552

If Cuomo didn't fuck up on the nursing homes Cuomo wouldn't have scrubbed the website of his nursing home mandates.

And I'm shocked that you of all people accepted the 15%+ positive rate the media has been running with. I thought you would have done some digging on your own. Start on page 24 and look at how many labs are only reporting positive cases (100%).

https://floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/state_reports_20200707.pdf

FL does not have a 15%+ positive rate.

https://alachuachronicle.com/covid-test-positivity-is-not-a-meaningful-statistic-because-not-all-negatives-are-reported/

[midnightpulp]

I only bring up New York when Blake brings up Florida and compares it to the rest of the world "for perspective". Pushing fear porn record setting positive test case count without mentioning the amount of tests being done in Florida is disingenuous at best.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1282342503329431552

If Cuomo didn't fuck up on the nursing homes Cuomo wouldn't have scrubbed the website of his nursing home mandates.

And I'm shocked that you of all people accepted the 15%+ positive rate the media has been running with. I thought you would have done some digging on your own. Start on page 24 and look at how many labs are only reporting positive cases (100%).

https://floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/state_reports_20200707.pdf

FL does not have a 15%+ positive rate.

https://alachuachronicle.com/covid-test-positivity-is-not-a-meaningful-statistic-because-not-all-negatives-are-reported/

The amount of the tests the labs who are reporting a 100 percent positive rate is so minuscule, I don't think it will shift percentages by all THAT much. But in any event, those results are not current results (i.e. the results of this past week). They are the results of Florida's entire testing thus far. I would venture to say those labs reporting at 100 percent were ones reporting early in the pandemic where it was critical to identify positive cases and when only the most symptomatic were getting tested.

What I'm referring to about Florida's positive rate is how it's exploded since reopening. Consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26. When they flattened and DeathSentence was doing victory laps, they were returning with positive rates in the 2-6% range.

We can do some "fuzzy math" and correlate the increase in positive rate to ICU admissions. Their positive rate has effective doubled since May and so have their hospitalizations and ICU admissions.

https://covidactnow.org/us/fl?s=668112


If Cuomo didn't fuck up on the nursing homes Cuomo wouldn't have scrubbed the website of his nursing home mandates.


Didn't he do this May 10th? New York was past surge then and probably had other options at that point. I'm agnostic on taking Cuomo to task on this before an investigation.

Also, that tweet is terrible. He doesn't consider the law of diminishing returns nor is considering that when NY was testing during their surge, they were testing more selectively since tests were scarcer then, meaning testing more symptomatic cases. There's no "fear porn" here. Florida isn't in a good spot. We're just desensitized to high death counts in the 100s when NY and NJ were peaking, but there was a time when I went wide eyed the first time NY reported over 100 deaths in a day. Florida is tracking to have a 100-200 deaths per day plateau.

[TSA]

The amount of the tests the labs who are reporting a 100 percent positive rate is so minuscule, I don't think it will shift percentages by all THAT much. But in any event, those results are not current results (i.e. the results of this past week). They are the results of Florida's entire testing thus far. I would venture to say those labs reporting at 100 percent were ones reporting early in the pandemic where it was critical to identify positive cases and when only the most symptomatic were getting tested.

What I'm referring to about Florida's positive rate is how it's exploded since reopening. Consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26. When they flattened and DeathSentence was doing victory laps, they were returning with positive rates in the 2-6% range.

We can do some "fuzzy math" and correlate the increase in positive rate to ICU admissions. Their positive rate has effective doubled since May and so have their hospitalizations and ICU admissions.

https://covidactnow.org/us/fl?s=668112



Didn't he do this May 10th? New York was past surge then and probably had other options at that point. I'm agnostic on taking Cuomo to task on this before an investigation.

Also, that tweet is terrible. He doesn't consider the law of diminishing returns nor is considering that when NY was testing during their surge, they were testing more selectively since tests were scarcer then, meaning testing more symptomatic cases. There's no "fear porn" here. Florida isn't in a good spot. We're just desensitized to high death counts in the 100s when NY and NJ were peaking, but there was a time when I went wide eyed the first time NY reported over 100 deaths in a day. Florida is tracking to have a 100-200 deaths per day plateau.

Florida was never consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/resizer/MZR7A6nQOrdIWMvr3BIHs5lDdnc=/800x248/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/QONLLDMQG5EHZM6V6MJBP3H5OA.JPG

[TSA]

Florida was never consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/resizer/MZR7A6nQOrdIWMvr3BIHs5lDdnc=/800x248/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/QONLLDMQG5EHZM6V6MJBP3H5OA.JPG

Add in the number of negative tests not being reported and the fact that Florida counts a positive test from the same person on a different day as two positive tests (per their website) and the percent positive is even lower.

[midnightpulp]

Florida was never consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/resizer/MZR7A6nQOrdIWMvr3BIHs5lDdnc=/800x248/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/QONLLDMQG5EHZM6V6MJBP3H5OA.JPG

I was using this to check out FL's positive rate.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en/test

That said, whichever one is more accurate doesn't matter. If it's your graph, that is still concerning. I think the guide to reopening is to have a 14 days of a positive rate below 5 percent.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

Furthermore, Florida is likely severely under counting Covid patients. Look at the rise in ED visits for "flu like symptoms." (click health metrics).

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

The flu is basically dormant this time of the year. Yeah, a rise in visits to the emergency room for "flu like" symptoms that neatly tracks with the rise in Covid visits to the ED is just a coincidence :lol.

[TSA]

I was using this to check out FL's positive rate.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en/test

That said, whichever one is more accurate doesn't matter. If it's your graph, that is still concerning. I think the guide to reopening is to have a 14 days of a positive rate below 5 percent.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

Furthermore, Florida is likely severely under counting Covid patients. Look at the rise in ED visits for "flu like symptoms." (click health metrics).

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

The flu is basically dormant this time of the year. Yeah, a rise in visits to the emergency room for "flu like" symptoms that neatly tracks with the rise in Covid visits to the ED is just a coincidence :lol.

The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.

Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 found that testing sites like Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.

How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

FOX 35 News has yet to hear from the other labs or the Florida Department of Health to explain how the error could have been made on an official report.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-hospitals-confirm-mistakes-in-floridas-covid-19-report

[midnightpulp]

The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.

Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 found that testing sites like Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.

How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

FOX 35 News has yet to hear from the other labs or the Florida Department of Health to explain how the error could have been made on an official report.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-hospitals-confirm-mistakes-in-floridas-covid-19-report

How many? How many cases? If "countless labs" report 500 positive results out of 500 tests while the other labs in the state report 10K positives out of 60K tests, it really won't impact the overall positive rate. Not to mention Florida is missing many Covid patients, unless you really believe the flu just magically reappeared right now.

Not sure what point you're trying to prove? Do you actually think Florida is trending good? All of their metrics have doubled since May/Early June. 7 day death average, ICU admissions, hospitalizations, and emergency room visits have risen 4x.

Do you really think it's wise not to roll back some openings knowing the exponential nature of this virus? This is what every other country in the world is doing. They flatten, reopen a bit, if cases spike, they roll back, rinse/repeat. But we went 0-100 with reopening and dumbass governors all over still refuse to roll back. It took Newsom fuckin' long enough.

[midnightpulp]

Annnnd Florida just reported a new high. I'm sure Justin Hart will have a graph for us where he once again misrepresents the backfill phenomenon.

[Blake]

Annnnd Florida just reported a new high. I'm sure Justin Hart will have a graph for us where he once again misrepresents the backfill phenomenon.

Yeah but Cuomo and the nursing homes tho

[RandomGuy]

You think New York’s deaths rate per capita looks any better in July? :lmao

If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?

NYC Has Its First Day In Months With No COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/13/890427225/nyc-has-its-first-day-in-months-with-no-covid-19-deaths

They will be keeping that rate pretty flat, fwtw

[TSA]

How many? How many cases? If "countless labs" report 500 positive results out of 500 tests while the other labs in the state report 10K positives out of 60K tests, it really won't impact the overall positive rate. Not to mention Florida is missing many Covid patients, unless you really believe the flu just magically reappeared right now.

Not sure what point you're trying to prove? Do you actually think Florida is trending good? All of their metrics have doubled since May/Early June. 7 day death average, ICU admissions, hospitalizations, and emergency room visits have risen 4x.

Do you really think it's wise not to roll back some openings knowing the exponential nature of this virus? This is what every other country in the world is doing. They flatten, reopen a bit, if cases spike, they roll back, rinse/repeat. But we went 0-100 with reopening and dumbass governors all over still refuse to roll back. It took Newsom fuckin' long enough.

I never said it's not wise not roll back some openings, I just don't buy into the Florida is the next New York fear porn that is being amplified.

[Blake]

NYC Has Its First Day In Months With No COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/13/890427225/nyc-has-its-first-day-in-months-with-no-covid-19-deaths

They will be keeping that rate pretty flat, fwtw

BUT NY TOTAL STILL WORSE THAN ALL THE REPUBLICAN STATES COMBINED

[midnightpulp]

Yeah but Cuomo and the nursing homes tho

I believe 6K nursing home residents died in NY, or about 20 percent of their deaths. Florida (from June 18th):


That means 52.66% of all of Florida’s coronavirus-related deaths are linked to facilities statewide.

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/more-than-half-of-floridas-coronavirus-deaths-linked-to-long-term-care-facilities/

On percentage basis, DeathSentence has done a worse job, so all that guff about protecting nursing homes was just that. I doubt there was any strict policy in place.

[midnightpulp]

I never said it's not wise not roll back some openings, I just don't buy into the Florida is the next New York fear porn that is being amplified.

They won't be. I agree with that. Even if Cuomo perfectly protected the nursing homes, their death rate would still be unprecedented. And it has nothing to do with policy decisions. New York City in the early-Spring is like the perfect ground zero for a virus like this. But as I've said, "At least we're not New York" shouldn't be a goal. The new hot spots around the country will likely creep closer to Italy's death rate over their plateaus. Remember when the goal was not to be Italy?

[TSA]

I believe 6K nursing home residents died in NY, or about 20 percent of their deaths. Florida (from June 18th):



https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/more-than-half-of-floridas-coronavirus-deaths-linked-to-long-term-care-facilities/

On percentage basis, DeathSentence has done a worse job, so all that guff about protecting nursing homes was just that. I doubt there was any strict policy in place.

Once New York started taking heat for coronavirus deaths in nursing homes they stopped counting a nursing home patient who died in a hospital as a nursing home death. The number is much higher than 20% of their deaths.

[midnightpulp]

Once New York started taking heat for coronavirus deaths in nursing homes they stopped counting a nursing home patient who died in a hospital as a nursing home death. The number is much higher than 20% of their deaths.

Thing is, I don't blame either governor for nursing home deaths. I'd bet dollars to donuts staff fucked up by not strictly isolating Covid positive patients. Now we can blame Cuomo and/or DeathSentence for not better protecting the patients in these facilities given the reputation of how shitty most nursing homes are, with all the reports of staff stealing from patients, abusing patients, and what ever else goes on in these elder care hell holes, but again, I won't accuse either of what is essentially manslaughter without facts. If we get corroborated witness testimony that Cuomo had options and chose the nursing home option in bad faith (i.e. to perhaps save money or make nursing homes/insurance companies more money), then string him up.

[DMC]

Also consider the some lab are doing batch testing. They're mixing samples together up to 10 in a sample and if it's negative then they are all negative but if it's positive then individual samples will get a retest. These may get reported initially as all positives since they all tested positive. They will do this to preserve reagents and instrument time along with personnel of course. Man hours count.

[TSA]

Thing is, I don't blame either governor for nursing home deaths. I'd bet dollars to donuts staff fucked up by not strictly isolating Covid positive patients. Now we can blame Cuomo and/or DeathSentence for not better protecting the patients in these facilities given the reputation of how shitty most nursing homes are, with all the reports of staff stealing from patients, abusing patients, and what ever else goes on in these elder care hell holes, but again, I won't accuse either of what is essentially manslaughter without facts. If we get corroborated witness testimony that Cuomo had options and chose the nursing home option in bad faith (i.e. to perhaps save money or make nursing homes/insurance companies more money), then string him up.

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations
Critics say data proves New York’s liability shield is linked to higher nursing home death rates during the pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-execs-immunity

[DMC]

Thing is, I don't blame either governor for nursing home deaths. I'd bet dollars to donuts staff fucked up by not strictly isolating Covid positive patients. Now we can blame Cuomo and/or DeathSentence for not better protecting the patients in these facilities given the reputation of how shitty most nursing homes are, with all the reports of staff stealing from patients, abusing patients, and what ever else goes on in these elder care hell holes, but again, I won't accuse either of what is essentially manslaughter without facts. If we get corroborated witness testimony that Cuomo had options and chose the nursing home option in bad faith (i.e. to perhaps save money or make nursing homes/insurance companies more money), then string him up.

Come on Mid this reeks of bias. You're willing to give Cuomo the benefit of the doubt when he has 30,000 deaths under his belt. It's funny though him being much closer to the situation and much more in charge of it than Trump you're willing to say Trump is responsible for it completely. This is why some of the discussions on these forums never get anywhere because people are unwilling to let go their biases and just look at raw data.

The conditions in the nursing homes and their past transgressions should have no bearing on whether or not they did something wrong with in regards to covid. You're basically poisoning the well against the nursing homes in order to protect Cuomo from any kind of liability. While it's possible Cuomo was directly responsible for these deaths because of his pandering to specific groups of people, he is without question the one in charge of the situation so the responsibility by default falls on him. Why are so many on the left here so willing to let people on the left skate with this many deaths under their belt if they lose their fucking mind at 1/10 that somewhere else?

[midnightpulp]

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations
Critics say data proves New York’s liability shield is linked to higher nursing home death rates during the pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-execs-immunity

Plot thickens. I think once the halo wears off, New York residents might start turning on him.

And sake of the argument.


Ron DeSantis’ PAC raises $1.3 million, Disney, The Villages among contributors

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/07/10/ron-desantis-pac-raised-13-million-last-quarter-from-disney-the-villages/

[TSA]

Plot thickens. I think once the halo wears off, New York residents might start turning on him.

And sake of the argument.



https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/07/10/ron-desantis-pac-raised-13-million-last-quarter-from-disney-the-villages/

Disney gave only $50,000 according to your article :lol

Meanwhile....The immunity provision in Cuomo’s budget came 18 months after the GNYHA delivered $1.25m to the Cuomo-controlled New York State Democratic committee that was supporting the governor’s re-election bid. The money went to the committee’s so-called housekeeping account. The account, which can accept unlimited donations, is meant to support general party activities but has also been used to promote Cuomo and his agenda in television ads, including in his 2018 re-election campaign.

The GNYHA donations – which were a huge increase from prior years – made the group one of the New York Democratic party’s largest contributors during Cuomo’s campaign. Three of the hospital association’s top officials separately gave more than $150,000 to Cuomo’s campaign between 2015 and 2018.

In all, during the governor’s second term, Cuomo’s campaign and his state party committee raked in more than $2.3m from hospital and nursing home industry donors and their lobbying firms, according to data compiled by the National Institute on Money in Politics.

[midnightpulp]

Come on Mid this reeks of bias. You're willing to give Cuomo the benefit of the doubt when he has 30,000 deaths under his belt. It's funny though him being much closer to the situation and much more in charge of it than Trump you're willing to say Trump is responsible for it completely. This is why some of the discussions on these forums never get anywhere because people are unwilling to let go their biases and just look at raw data.

No, I just want evidence. TSA linked an article that revealed Cuomo received contributions from nursing home executives, which could prove motive, i.e. sending patients there which would obviously increase the revenue of these places.

As for Trump, he shoulders a big share of the blame. I'm not going to break it down into percentages, but his legacy is summed up in one tweet for me on Feb. 26. "Nothing to worry about. Covid under control. Stock market looking up!" While republican senators were selling off stock.

Then he had his official state media Fox downplay the virus for a month.

[midnightpulp]

Disney gave only $50,000 according to your article :lol

Meanwhile....The immunity provision in Cuomo’s budget came 18 months after the GNYHA delivered $1.25m to the Cuomo-controlled New York State Democratic committee that was supporting the governor’s re-election bid. The money went to the committee’s so-called housekeeping account. The account, which can accept unlimited donations, is meant to support general party activities but has also been used to promote Cuomo and his agenda in television ads, including in his 2018 re-election campaign.

The GNYHA donations – which were a huge increase from prior years – made the group one of the New York Democratic party’s largest contributors during Cuomo’s campaign. Three of the hospital association’s top officials separately gave more than $150,000 to Cuomo’s campaign between 2015 and 2018.

In all, during the governor’s second term, Cuomo’s campaign and his state party committee raked in more than $2.3m from hospital and nursing home industry donors and their lobbying firms, according to data compiled by the National Institute on Money in Politics.

I admitted Cuomo looks like a shitheel, but you can't do the same for DeathSentence. "It was only 50K!" Hmmm.


A trade group for Florida’s nearly 700 nursing homes is asking Gov. Ron DeSantis to extend the state’s sovereign immunity provisions to the industry and other healthcare sectors during the course of the coronavirus pandemic. If the request is granted, hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities and other providers would be protected against negligence suits.

DeSantis is already doing the industry a favor by refusing to name nursing homes and ALFs where positive tests have occurred. The Miami Herald, joined by a slew of other news organizations, has filed notice of intent to file a public records lawsuit over that refusal. DeSantis tried to block the suit by having his general counsel induce the Herald’s longtime law firm, which does considerable legal work for the state, to bow out. A new law firm had to be hired.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article241966186.html

Yeah, he really protected the homes. That's why over 50 percent of deaths as of June were linked to these homes.

[Blake]

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations
Critics say data proves New York’s liability shield is linked to higher nursing home death rates during the pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-execs-immunity

WHATABOUTCUOMOINMAY

[Blake]

Come on Mid this reeks of bias. You're willing to give Cuomo the benefit of the doubt when he has 30,000 deaths under his belt.

DMC gives Trump the benefit of the doubt all day every day

[ChumpDumper]

DMC gives Trump the benefit of the doubt all day every dayHe reeks of bias.

[Blake]

He reeks of bias.

Oh I thought that was Honest Broker by Calvin Klein

[midnightpulp]

WHATABOUTCUOMOINMAY

Yeah, if Cuomo acted in bad faith, it'll come out. But right now, NY has killed their curve while Florida isn't trending positively and DeathSentence insists on keeping Disneyworld open and not committing to any closures.

[TSA]

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations
Critics say data proves New York’s liability shield is linked to higher nursing home death rates during the pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-execs-immunity

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1283076562846449667

[baseline bum]

Yeah, if Cuomo acted in bad faith, it'll come out. But right now, NY has killed their curve while Florida isn't trending positively and DeathSentence insists on keeping Disneyworld open and not committing to any closures.

Can really call him DeathSentence if he actually opens the schools next month while this shit is flaring.

[clambake]

Trump deaths are now over 140k. He knew it was coming in November.

He insists that schools open, yet the White House is closed. Follow that logic, cult members.

[RandomGuy]

I only bring up New York when Blake brings up Florida and compares it to the rest of the world "for perspective". Pushing fear porn record setting positive test case count without mentioning the amount of tests being done in Florida is disingenuous at best.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1282342503329431552

If Cuomo didn't fuck up on the nursing homes Cuomo wouldn't have scrubbed the website of his nursing home mandates.

And I'm shocked that you of all people accepted the 15%+ positive rate the media has been running with. I thought you would have done some digging on your own. Start on page 24 and look at how many labs are only reporting positive cases (100%).

https://floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/state_reports_20200707.pdf

FL does not have a 15%+ positive rate.

https://alachuachronicle.com/covid-test-positivity-is-not-a-meaningful-statistic-because-not-all-negatives-are-reported/

:lol You calling anyone out for being disingenuous.

[koriwhat]

Lol the atheist cuckold creating new threads about reopening churches or better yet not reopening due to his authoritarian overlords he'd let raw dog his ex at a blink of an eye.

[RandomGuy]

Now we can blame Cuomo



You're willing to give Cuomo the benefit of the doubt

:lol

Obvious strawman is obvious.

[RandomGuy]

Can really call him DeathSentence if he actually opens the schools next month while this shit is flaring.

How many dead teachers are we willing to have? Asking for a friend?

[TSA]

How many dead teachers are we willing to have? Asking for a friend?

It’s been shown in schools around the world that kids aren’t a risk to infect other kids or teachers. How many dead kids from suicide and drug overdoses due to school lockdowns are you willing to have? How much of an increase in child abuse due to school lockdowns are you willing to have? How much of an increase in mental health issues in kids due to school lockdowns are you willing to have? Asking for a friend.

[ChumpDumper]

It’s been shown in schools around the world that kids aren’t a risk to infect other kids or teachers.Well why were schools in France and Israel shut down after reopening? If it's not the kids, there is something else you are missing.

[Blake]

It’s been shown in schools around the world that kids aren’t a risk to infect other kids or teachers. How many dead kids from suicide and drug overdoses due to school lockdowns are you willing to have? How much of an increase in child abuse due to school lockdowns are you willing to have? How much of an increase in mental health issues in kids due to school lockdowns are you willing to have? Asking for a friend.

How many strawmen are you willing to make in order to avoid answering the question?