Seriously, what do you do to help?

[Chucho]

This is a non-partisan, non-political question.

What do yuse guys do to help your movements and causes?

This place is nothing but a shame-on-you shit hole filled with partisan bias.


What do you REALLY do to help the cause and movement? Can you substantiate your claims?

All bias aside, and I don't give two shits what others have to say, but the only people down here I feel are consistent with their beliefs can be counted on 3 fingers.

Tell me, moral supremacists and pro-decency practitioners, what do you do to support the cause?

[CosmicCowboy]

I've volunteered thousands of hours at the SA Rodeo which is a super low overhead organization that has raised over 200 million for scholarships since I have been involved. Former chairman of a 400 person committee and currently a director emeritus. I also donate several thousand a year to a 501c3 that works with inner city kids. It's been a few years but I also tutored in an adult literacy program.

[Chris]

Who are the 3 people?

[RandomGuy]

This is a non-partisan, non-political question.

What do yuse guys do to help your movements and causes?

This place is nothing but a shame-on-you shit hole filled with partisan bias.


What do you REALLY do to help the cause and movement? Can you substantiate your claims?

All bias aside, and I don't give two shits what others have to say, but the only people down here I feel are consistent with their beliefs can be counted on 3 fingers.

Tell me, moral supremacists and pro-decency practitioners, what do you do to support the cause?

The problem with asking that question is that whatever is posted here will simply be used by the less than honest shits like DMC or Spurtacular in endless ad hominem bullshit posts. I volunteer both time and money for various causes, and have made my kids come along to help to teach them altruism and service as well. It has led to some good discussions. Respectfully, I would not provide details other than that.

[Reck]

I just donated to wikipeadia for knowledge causes? That good?

[SnakeBoy]

I post on an internet sports forum

[baseline bum]

I looted a Best Buy

[Blake]

This is a non-partisan, non-political question.

What do yuse guys do to help your movements and causes?

This place is nothing but a shame-on-you shit hole filled with partisan bias.


What do you REALLY do to help the cause and movement? Can you substantiate your claims?

All bias aside, and I don't give two shits what others have to say, but the only people down here I feel are consistent with their beliefs can be counted on 3 fingers.

Tell me, moral supremacists and pro-decency practitioners, what do you do to support the cause?

What's the minimum amount of help someone needs to do?

[Blake]

Who are the 3 people?

Lol don't get your hopes up, bootlick

[Chucho]

The problem with asking that question is that whatever is posted here will simply be used by the less than honest shits like DMC or Spurtacular in endless ad hominem bullshit posts. I volunteer both time and money for various causes, and have made my kids come along to help to teach them altruism and service as well. It has led to some good discussions. Respectfully, I would not provide details other than that.

No lie, despite our disagreements, you're certainly 1 of the 3 I can count as a legit decent human. There are two left. Let's see if they show themselves.

[Chucho]

I looted a Best Buy

You also wanted to own an InstaPot to make carne guisada. You're some kind of wetbackish, so it's excusable.

To offset your hoodlumdry, where do you stand on the Nick Cannon issue?

[Will Hunting]

I contributed the max to Bernie’s campaign and volunteered for him in Virginia.

Ill vote for Biden but don’t give enough of a shit about him to help beyond that.

[TSA]

No lie, despite our disagreements, you're certainly 1 of the 3 I can count as a legit decent human. There are two left. Let's see if they show themselves.

He openly wishes for Trump voters to die

:lol today’s legit decent humans

[SnakeBoy]

The problem with asking that question is that whatever is posted here will simply be used by the less than honest shits like DMC or Spurtacular in endless ad hominem bullshit posts. I volunteer both time and money for various causes, and have made my kids come along to help to teach them altruism and service as well. It has led to some good discussions. Respectfully, I would not provide details other than that.

I respect your embrace of the patriarchy.

Do you make your kids wish death upon other people yet or are they too young for that lesson?

[spurraider21]

No lie, despite our disagreements, you're certainly 1 of the 3 I can count as a legit decent human. There are two left. Let's see if they show themselves.
sup

[Chucho]

sup

Fuck you. How'd you know?

[Chucho]

He openly wishes for Trump voters to die

:lol today’s legit decent humans


As far as our Grand Ole Party goes, you and DMC are the only one's I'd consider. Pieces of shit like derp, Chris, ducks, etc. are cocksuckers.

[Spurminator]

I do enough to feel like I make a meaningful contribution. Going into details about everything here seems like an invitation for trollish scrutiny.

[spurraider21]

As far as our Grand Ole Party goes, you and DMC are the only one's I'd consider. Pieces of shit like derp, Chris, ducks, etc. are cocksuckers.
cosmic cowboy and snakeboy >> pizzagater/obamagater

[Chris]

I do enough to feel like I make a meaningful contribution. Going into details about everything here seems like an invitation for trollish scrutiny.

ok Adam Lambert troll account

[hater]

Most movements and causes have been hijacked by pretenders, undercover hijackers, scammers and billionaire groups.

I remember when Haiti earthquake happened and i donated a bunch of money to one of the charities and it ended up being a scam (red cross or msf)

All I do now is educate myself with real information(not msm bs) and spread the word tbqh.

If you have opened a persons eyes, thats plenty

[hater]

Like boutons says and thenonly thing that he gets right :lol

Were fucked and unfuckable

[SnakeBoy]

I often preach to sinners in hopes that they will reject their sinful ways and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. I usually offer them a sandwich afterwards.

[vy65]

Man, this thread makes me think of the old days where we'd have yearly ranking threads

[baseline bum]

I often preach to sinners in hopes that they will reject their sinful ways and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. I usually offer them a sandwich afterwards.

Man I'll listen to some bullshit for a decent pastrami

[Th'Pusher]

What's the minimum amount of help someone needs to do?

10% of gross income per Christian god. Don’t worry . It will came back to you ten fold. Kenneth Copeland told me so

[Chris]

Man, this thread makes me think of the old days where we'd have yearly ranking threads

Back when Media was sucking Obama's cock

good times

[ChumpDumper]

Back when Media was sucking Obama's cock

good timesQhris still triggered by Black President.

[vy65]

Back when Media was sucking Obama's cock

good times

#44 really did the ole in and out on your brain, didn't he

[Blake]

No lie, despite our disagreements, you're certainly 1 of the 3 I can count as a legit decent human. There are two left. Let's see if they show themselves.


What's the minimum amount of help someone needs to do?

[Chris]

I wanna know who the good goys are

[ElNono]

The company I work for has a program that matches donations to vetted entities, and that's the best vehicle for me to maximize help, tbh... they recently had specific matching campaigns to help with COVID and organizations related to people of color, etc.

[Blake]

The company I work for has a program that matches donations to vetted entities, and that's the best vehicle for me to maximize help, tbh... they recently had specific matching campaigns to help with COVID and organizations related to people of color, etc.

Which color? I'm asking for op

[ElNono]

Which color? I'm asking for op

black/brown people

[FrostKing]

This is a non-partisan, non-political question.

What do yuse guys do to help your movements and causes?

This place is nothing but a shame-on-you shit hole filled with partisan bias.


What do you REALLY do to help the cause and movement? Can you substantiate your claims?

All bias aside, and I don't give two shits what others have to say, but the only people down here I feel are consistent with their beliefs can be counted on 3 fingers.

Tell me, moral supremacists and pro-decency practitioners, what do you do to support the cause?
I was very vocal Liberal in the early 2000s and very vocal Conservative in 2015-16

Funny part is the only close friend I had issues with was the same friend both times :lol

I now avoid even with most family members. If topic comes up with casual friends or co workers I make sure to share enough to inform without revealing my cards whether I am Pro or Against. People are more willing to listen if you give them the tools without drawing the conclusion for them.

I made 1 political post (recently about Benjamin Franklin statue going down in NY) on Facebook in the past 2 years and it was so ambiguous two old school friends with opposite viewpoints like it. I will try and stay away from politics completely. I direct message relatives about foreign topics but no more public lecturing. This is why I come here to get it out of my system.

To answer OP, I try to lead a good everyday life and that is my help. I take pride in casual people not knowing where I necessarily stand politically. If that makes me a fake racist then so be it.

[DAF86]

I vote candidates that would tax me and other people more so that they can redistribute wealth.

[Blake]

black/brown people

But not white?

I dunno man, you might not be on op's finger list

[Spurtacular]

The problem with asking that question is that whatever is posted here will simply be used by the less than honest shits like DMC or Spurtacular in endless ad hominem bullshit posts. I volunteer both time and money for various causes, and have made my kids come along to help to teach them altruism and service as well. It has led to some good discussions. Respectfully, I would not provide details other than that.

:lol "your kids"
:lol KidnapperGuy
:lol "causes"
:lol Mr. Altruism

[Spurtacular]

But not white?

I dunno man, you might not be on op's finger list

You're just a proud cuckold, aren't you? :lol

[Spurtacular]

I vote candidates that would tax me and other people more so that they can redistribute wealth.

:lol Chump hoping for a boost in his disability payments.
:lol Too many people scamming for that, though.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol three derpsperate narratives in a row

[ducks]

I help fix poor people’s computers for hardly nothing and students

[Spurtacular]

:lol three derpsperate narratives in a row

Butthurt.

[ChumpDumper]

Butthurt.You sure are. Those posts prove it.:lol

U mad.

[midnightpulp]

I help fix poor people’s computers for hardly nothing and students

:tu Saint Ducks.

Fix any today, bro?

[Blake]

I help fix poor people’s computers for hardly nothing and students

I don't think it would be too much to ask those students to help teach you grammar in exchange for computer repair.

[IronMexican]

I help fix poor people’s computers for hardly nothing and students:cheer

[ElNono]

But not white?

I dunno man, you might not be on op's finger list

You can certainly donate to other charities that include all races.

[RandomGuy]

I just donated to wikipeadia for knowledge causes? That good?

Heh, ok, I did too. I will give away that much. I do believe in trying not to be a free rider.

[RandomGuy]

:lol "your kids"
:lol KidnapperGuy
:lol "causes"
:lol Mr. Altruism

:lol proves my case for me. :rollin

[Dick Jones]

I contribute with a guaranteed military sale with ED 209 - renovation program, spare parts for twenty-five years... Who cares if it worked or not?

[RandomGuy]

10% of gross income per Christian god. Don’t worry . It will came back to you ten fold. Kenneth Copeland told me so

God wants Joel Osteen to have a $300,000 car. That is how I know he loves me.













(he being osteen... and "me" being "my money", which is most definitely is not getting)

[RandomGuy]

The problem with asking that question is that whatever is posted here will simply be used by the less than honest shits like DMC or Spurtacular in endless ad hominem bullshit posts.



:lol Chump hoping for a boost in his disability payments.
:lol Too many people scamming for that, though.

You just can't help yourself. smh

[midnightpulp]

Personal level, help less fortunate friends and family. Donate to charity. On a political level I can't do shit in California, because of our retarded electoral college system, Dem politicians are pretty much guaranteed to win nationally and in my district. So it's not like I can volunteer for a campaign or door-to-door campaign for a Dem nominee in an attempt to get them more votes.

It's up to you swing states folks to try and tip the scales in that regard.

[Spurtacular]

:lol proves my case for me. :rollin

You proactively crying about me is supposed to dare me to not mock you? :lol

:nope

[Spurtacular]

You just can't help yourself. smh

See above post.

:lol At your passive aggressive pleas for mercy though.

[Spurtacular]

Personal level, help less fortunate friends and family. Donate to charity. On a political level I can't do shit in California, because of our retarded electoral college system, Dem politicians are pretty much guaranteed to win nationally and in my district. So it's not like I can volunteer for a campaign or door-to-door campaign for a Dem nominee in an attempt to get them more votes.

It's up to you swing states folks to try and tip the scales in that regard.

You could stop Democrats from fucking sh** up on a state level. Or are you happy about them raping you?

[midnightpulp]

You could stop Democrats from fucking sh** up on a state level. Or are you happy about them raping you?

Oh no, I have to pay a few more bucks in taxes to help the poors!

And I love our 8.8 percent corporate tax rate, one of the highest in the nation. Seems you've chosen the side of corporations. Bravo.

[koriwhat]

As far as our Grand Ole Party goes, you and DMC are the only one's I'd consider. Pieces of shit like derp, Chris, ducks, etc. are cocksuckers.

Lol says the san fran fresa

[Spurtacular]

Oh no, I have to pay a few more bucks in taxes to help the poors!

And I love our 8.8 percent corporate tax rate, one of the highest in the nation. Seems you've chosen the side of corporations. Bravo.

You're putting words into my mouth. The bullet train scam should tell you how well California is at managing your money.

You can rust govt. all you want. They're just the parent corporation.

[Chucho]

Lol says the san fran fresa


You come to semen shield for derp and project homosexuality onto me. LOL little kori, wearing jorts and tube socks, can't quit me.

I live in San Francisco the way you are a successful and in-demand tattoo artist.

[Chucho]

You're putting words into my mouth. The bullet train scam should tell you how well California is at managing your money.

You can rust govt. all you want. They're just the parent corporation.

The Bullet Train Scam

The refusal to take action regarding the homeless explosion that is almost exclusively their responsibility

State congress giving themselves annual 2-5% raises with no constituency input

Complete failure to return school budgets to pre-recession levels, or even close.

The countless tax scams they say are to cover the things our insanely high tax rate is already supposed to cover.

The constant gloating about the revenues generated from these absurd taxes, and essentially little to absolute zero as to where those revenues are being allocated and how they help the tax payer.

The PG+E scam.


Too much. Just too much corruption here. Seriously.

[Chucho]

To be fair, Trump could easily learn from the Cali Dems. If he could shut up, he'd get away with more shit, too.

[TSA]

The Bullet Train Scam

The refusal to take action regarding the homeless explosion that is almost exclusively their responsibility

State congress giving themselves annual 2-5% raises with no constituency input

Complete failure to return school budgets to pre-recession levels, or even close.

The countless tax scams they say are to cover the things our insanely high tax rate is already supposed to cover.

The constant gloating about the revenues generated from these absurd taxes, and essentially little to absolute zero as to where those revenues are being allocated and how they help the tax payer.

The PG+E scam.


Too much. Just too much corruption here. Seriously.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/03/20/state-was-full-of-bull-as-bear-market-was-looming-then-the-coronavirus-hit/

[koriwhat]

You come to semen shield for derp and project homosexuality onto me. LOL little kori, wearing jorts and tube socks, can't quit me.

I live in San Francisco the way you are a successful and in-demand tattoo artist.

Nope... I simply came to call a spade a spade ya spade. :tu

[Chucho]

Nope... I simply came to call a spade a spade ya spade. :tu

Nope. You have a proven history of semen shielding derp. That's calling a spade a spade.

You're over here projecting your homosexual fantasies about me and following me around. Again, that's calling a spade a spade.

So, keep on writing your homosexual odes to me while I live rent free in that resin plugged shithole of a mind.

[SpursforSix]

No lie, despite our disagreements, you're certainly 1 of the 3 I can count as a legit decent human. There are two left. Let's see if they show themselves.

Present.

[SpursforSix]

I did exactly 80 hours of volunteer work a few years ago. Some was picking up cans and some was working at a food bank.

[CosmicCowboy]

I did exactly 80 hours of volunteer work a few years ago. Some was picking up cans and some was working at a food bank.

LOL

did adult probation sign off on it?

[SpursforSix]

LOL

did adult probation sign off on it?

Exactly 80 hours I tell ya.

[DMC]

I just donated to wikipeadia for knowledge causes? That good?

Since you can't even spell Wikipedia I would say you got robbed

[Blake]

Exactly 80 hours I tell ya.

:lol

I had a friend get a dwi last year and got voluntold to do time at Goodwill

[DMC]

The company I work for has a program that matches donations to vetted entities, and that's the best vehicle for me to maximize help, tbh... they recently had specific matching campaigns to help with COVID and organizations related to people of color, etc.

Very clever way of not doing anything but being very coy about it.
Are you sure you're not running for office?

[Chucho]

But not white?

I dunno man, you might not be on op's finger list


You tried. Good lord you tried.

[DMC]

No lie, despite our disagreements, you're certainly 1 of the 3 I can count as a legit decent human. There are two left. Let's see if they show themselves.

Yeah but you can't count yourself.

[koriwhat]

Nope. You have a proven history of semen shielding derp. That's calling a spade a spade.

You're over here projecting your homosexual fantasies about me and following me around. Again, that's calling a spade a spade.

So, keep on writing your homosexual odes to me while I live rent free in that resin plugged shithole of a mind.

Lmao your ego is more brittle than I could have imagined. Poor little fresa.

[Blake]

You tried. Good lord you tried.

Just messing around in this failed thread topic. :tu

[DMC]

Just messing around in this failed thread topic. :tu

I much prefer the one about dropping a hot psychological load on the Forum. Can we dig that one up somewhere?

[Chucho]

Present.

For what? This isn't a convention of beat-ass, worn out punchlines or an Avante roast.


I see you did some community service. What'd you get busted for? Shitty taste in inferior audio equipment?

[Chucho]

Just messing around in this failed thread topic. :tu


It certainly had you posting desperately for attention. :tu

[Blake]

I much prefer the one about dropping a hot psychological load on the Forum. Can we dig that one up somewhere?

DMC still wanting more info to add to his ST Rolodex

[Chucho]

Lmao your ego is more brittle than I could have imagined. Poor little fresa.


What ego?

I literally told you what objectively happened. Need a refresh?

Objective fact:

You are following me around this board? Why? I dunno.

You semen shielded derp twice today, per par.

You are projecting your homosexual fantasies about me onto this board. Honestly, I'm not flattered to be your object of desire.

You think I live in Frisco when I told you I don't. I'm guessing it makes your homoerotic fantasies of me that much more

I already explained this to you twice today. This is thrice.

Are you going to deny these events happened? Are you going to spin another homosexual narrative about me?

[Blake]

It certainly had you posting desperately for attention. :tu

Lol. If I want attention on a message board I'll start my own thread.

Your avoidance of my honest questions about the topic though are telling tho. You're just here to mess around and get some attention too. :tu

[RandomGuy]

You proactively crying about me is supposed to dare me to not mock you? :lol

:nope

Knock yourself out, if it brings some small measure of happiness to what I imagine is a joyless life. I will be your huckleberry.

[Chucho]

Yeah but you can't count yourself.

Well, if I was using your digits, I could fit more people on. 1 of my fingers is like 5 of your sausage links, even though you are me and I am you.

[Will Hunting]

This is a non-partisan, non-political question.

What do yuse guys do to help your movements and causes?

This place is nothing but a shame-on-you shit hole filled with partisan bias.


What do you REALLY do to help the cause and movement? Can you substantiate your claims?

All bias aside, and I don't give two shits what others have to say, but the only people down here I feel are consistent with their beliefs can be counted on 3 fingers.

Tell me, moral supremacists and pro-decency practitioners, what do you do to support the cause?
Aaaaand sure enough, this thread turned into pages of people asking :cry am I one of those 3 tell me pls :cry

Well done Chucho :lol

[Chucho]

[QUOTE=Blake;10196200]Lol. If I want attention on a message board I'll start my own thread.

Yeah, you're definitely the expert on attention-whoring, melt down threads.


Might want to walk that one back a few thousand miles, cucky.

[Chucho]

Aaaaand sure enough, this thread turned into pages of people asking :cry am I one of those 3 tell me pls :cry

Well done Chucho :lol


You know it.


The pseudo cool kids upset they don't get a finger.

[DMC]

Well, if I was using your digits, I could fit more people on. 1 of my fingers is like 5 of your sausage links, even though you are me and I am you.

We've Got the Whole World in our hands maybe several worlds

[Will Hunting]

You know it.


The pseudo cool kids upset they don't get a finger.
Tbh I wasn’t able to sleep last night after not being included in your 3. I sat in a corner all night with a flashlight and a handgun devastated by not receiving some internet validation.

Im pretty sure Chris and Fabbs did as well.

[Chucho]

Tbh I wasn’t able to sleep last night after not being included in your 3. I sat in a corner all night with a flashlight and a handgun devastated by not receiving some internet validation.

Im pretty sure Chris and Fabbs did as well.


I'm sorry, bruh. :cry

[Blake]

Yeah, you're definitely the expert on attention-whoring, melt down threads.


Might want to walk that one back a few thousand miles, cucky.

This is exactly the problem with your op and your whining about posters here in general. It's called tu quoque, a type of ad hominem.

If you're "serious" like your thread title we'll discuss, if not we can just continue to mess around. Entertainment either way, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

The Bullet Train Scam

The refusal to take action regarding the homeless explosion that is almost exclusively their responsibility

State congress giving themselves annual 2-5% raises with no constituency input

Complete failure to return school budgets to pre-recession levels, or even close.

The countless tax scams they say are to cover the things our insanely high tax rate is already supposed to cover.

The constant gloating about the revenues generated from these absurd taxes, and essentially little to absolute zero as to where those revenues are being allocated and how they help the tax payer.

The PG+E scam.


Too much. Just too much corruption here. Seriously.

Yup. Tip of the iceberg frankly. Cali is confident they'll get a bailout when the time comes too.

[SpursforSix]

For what? This isn't a convention of beat-ass, worn out punchlines or an Avante roast.


I see you did some community service. What'd you get busted for? Shitty taste in inferior audio equipment?

Public indecency. They caught me fucking your mom in the Sac-N-Save trash bin.

[Spurtacular]

:lol

I had a friend get a dwi last year and got voluntold to do time at Goodwill

You mad at yourself for not chauffeuring your wife's bull around?

[Chucho]

This is exactly the problem with your op and your whining about posters here in general. It's called tu quoque, a type of ad hominem.

If you're "serious" like your thread title we'll discuss, if not we can just continue to mess around. Entertainment either way, tbh.


Nope, I treat the good posters with the same seriousness they approach me with.

You're fodder and bitter about being fodder. Whatever helps you justify your ankle biting.

[Chucho]

Public indecency. They caught me fucking your mom in the Sac-N-Save trash bin.


My mother died giving birth to my baby brother in 1990. It was her 5th child in ten years and she was a very, very petite woman. 5'9, 110 lbs.

We lived in North Central San Antonio my whole time in TX, I don't think there was a ghetto Sac and Save anywhere on the north side before 1990.

[SpursforSix]

My mother died giving birth to my baby brother in 1990. It was her 5th child in ten years and she was a very, very petite woman. 5'9, 110 lbs.

We lived in North Central San Antonio my whole time in TX, I don't think there was a ghetto Sac and Save anywhere on the north side before 1990.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/75/df/e175df58889c623dd271f69078768348.gif

[Chucho]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/75/df/e175df58889c623dd271f69078768348.gif


Insensitivity duly noted. Wouldn't expect anything less from an animal who thinks Beats are quality product.

[Blake]

Nope, I treat the good posters with the same seriousness they approach me with.

You're fodder and bitter about being fodder. Whatever helps you justify your ankle biting.

Lol "the good posters treat me good"

You still don't get it. I don't think you ever will. Carry on.

[pgardn]

This is a non-partisan, non-political question.

What do yuse guys do to help your movements and causes?

This place is nothing but a shame-on-you shit hole filled with partisan bias.


What do you REALLY do to help the cause and movement? Can you substantiate your claims?

All bias aside, and I don't give two shits what others have to say, but the only people down here I feel are consistent with their beliefs can be counted on 3 fingers.

Tell me, moral supremacists and pro-decency practitioners, what do you do to support the cause?

would it be possible to get an example of a moral supremacist and a pro decency practitioner for both parties (on the national level, even media types) ?
and then a short definition of why they are one or the other?

so like four names and an explanation for each?

[Spurtacular]

Lol "the good posters treat me good"

You still don't get it. I don't think you ever will. Carry on.

What doesn't he get? Use your words.

[Blake]

You're putting words into my mouth.

Impossible due to amount of cock currently residing there

[boutons_deux]

I helped out with immigrants at the SA immigrant center last year when the influx was overwhelming.

I volunteered for CASA

I subscribe to KLRN, Rivard Report, KSTX

[Spurtacular]

Impossible due to amount of cock currently residing there

You said Crusty "still doesn't get it." What doesn't he get?

[Chucho]

I helped out with immigrants at the SA immigrant center last year when the influx was overwhelming.

I volunteered for CASA

I subscribe to KLRN, Rivard Report, KSTX

You're a good man.

[Blake]

You said Crusty "still doesn't get it." What doesn't he get?

You can't get simple graphs. Sorry, I'm not wasting time helping you. I'd rather waste it making fun of you.

[Spurtacular]

You can't get simple graphs. Sorry, I'm not wasting time helping you. I'd rather waste it making fun of you.

I gave you a chance to clarify for everyone what you're crying about. You voted gimp.

:lol At you having a meltdown cos you're not on Crusty's top three friends list.

[Chucho]

would it be possible to get an example of a moral supremacist and a pro decency practitioner for both parties (on the national level, even media types) ?
and then a short definition of why they are one or the other?

so like four names and an explanation for each?

No

[Blake]

I gave you a chance to clarify for everyone what you're crying about. You voted gimp.

:lol At you having a meltdown cos you're not on Crusty's top three friends list.

What I already wrote is crystal clear. You're just retarded and angry is all.

[Spurtacular]

What I already wrote is crystal clear. You're just retarded and angry is all.

The scorned woman strategy ain't gonna cut it, blake.

Tell us what you're crying about.

[pgardn]

No

dammit

[Blake]

The scorned woman strategy ain't gonna cut it, blake.

Tell us what you're crying about.

Lol angry derp

[koriwhat]

What ego?

I literally told you what objectively happened. Need a refresh?

Objective fact:

You are following me around this board? Why? I dunno.

You semen shielded derp twice today, per par.

You are projecting your homosexual fantasies about me onto this board. Honestly, I'm not flattered to be your object of desire.

You think I live in Frisco when I told you I don't. I'm guessing it makes your homoerotic fantasies of me that much more

I already explained this to you twice today. This is thrice.

Are you going to deny these events happened? Are you going to spin another homosexual narrative about me?

Semen shielding this and that... I call you a fresa because you're a strawberry bro. You're fruity homie and your false narrative that I'm somehow getting spurt's back is laughable as well as you believing I'm following you around.

Have a good day you fucking fresa!

[ducks]

I helped out with immigrants at the SA immigrant center last year when the influx was overwhelming.

I volunteered for CASA

I subscribe to KLRN, Rivard Report, KSTX
Do you help them become law abiding citizens and get paper work or do you encourage them
To disobey the law and it does not apply to them ?

[Blake]

ducks hates the Founding Fathers

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/ysy0sS7/67665.jpg

[spurraider21]

omg thats the end of western civilization right there. somebody call tim pool. the ciivl war has begun

[FrostKing]

omg thats the end of western civilization right there. somebody call tim pool. the ciivl war has begun
Simply illustrates this isn't about equality. You seem more than willing to wash their feet.

[SpursforSix]

ducks hates the Founding Fathers

Plus he pee pees in front of kids. Double whammy.

[Spurtacular]

https://i.ibb.co/ysy0sS7/67665.jpg


Is this an Onion piece?

TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

[FrostKing]

Is this an Onion piece?

TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)
Read the full explanation. Something a BLM redditer would write.

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9105661462

[midnightpulp]

https://i.ibb.co/ysy0sS7/67665.jpg

:lol

Thing is, "radical wokeness" is so silly, you just have to laugh at it, bro. These people really aren't the threat you make them out to be.

[Spurtacular]

Read the full explanation. Something a BLM redditer would write.

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9105661462

:lol white cucks

[spurraider21]

yeah, the horror

https://i.gyazo.com/b7126c8884d5491a08fdb13c1c8ef269.png

[Spurtacular]

:lol

Thing is, "radical wokeness" is so silly, you just have to laugh at it, bro. These people really aren't the threat you make them out to be.

They're politicizing standards and showing their hand. Media rarely even makes a pretense about being objective any more.

Frankly, they hurt themselves with this stupid sh**. People stop taking them seriously.

[midnightpulp]

Simply illustrates this isn't about equality. You seem more than willing to wash their feet.

This is a fair point, and it is a worry I have about the SJWs getting drunk with power and overplaying their hands. Just because they're nominally in favor of social justice doesn't mean that lot can't be infiltrated by sociopaths using the movement to obtain power.

[midnightpulp]

They're politicizing standards and showing their hand. Media rarely even makes a pretense about being objective any more.

Frankly, they hurt themselves with this stupid sh**. People stop taking them seriously.

How can I take them seriously when I basically laugh at them? Don't think all people who identify as liberals are in favor of radical "wokeness."

[spurraider21]

i dont agree with their decision because i dont think their point that "white people generally do not share the same history and culture, or the experience of being discriminated against because of skin color" isn't necessarily relevant, considering in the paragraph above they cite their long-standing decision to capitalize "distinct racial and ethnic identifiers." why say you capitalize distinct racial identifiers and then in the next paragraph talk about histories of discrimination? doesnt make much sense

wouldnt surprise me if the decision was revised after some time. either way, its a stupid and harmless decision at worst

[DMC]

I wouldn't capitalize white either. It's a color. I never understood this white race thing. The Italians don't like the French and neither like the Spanish. The Vikings would have killed all of them. They are all white

[FrostKing]

How can I take them seriously when I basically laugh at them? Don't think all people who identify as liberals are in favor of radical "wokeness."
Until liberals infiltrate non-Western nations, this is the faith of Whites as a whole. Self-defeat

AP interviewed Africans, Asians, Arabs etc and they said "hell ya capitalize us".

Then they interviewed white liberals and were told "don't do it".

That is ultimately the recap of White people since WW2. Self-defeating in the name of so called equality only to find themselves weaker and soon to be under others thumb.

[midnightpulp]

I wouldn't capitalize white either. It's a color. I never understood this white race thing. The Italians don't like the French and neither like the Spanish. The Vikings would have killed all of them. They are all white

There's no such thing as "race" at the deep genetic level. It's obviously a cultural phenomenon that emerged since human beings are primarily a visual species, so we group identify through superficial phenotypical traits like skin color and facial features, but these traits are just that: superficial. Underneath it all, you might be more genetically similar to an East African than to a person of your supposed "race."


Though these physical differences may appear, on a superficial level, to be very dramatic, they are determined by only a minute portion of the genome: we as a species have been estimated to share 99.9% of our DNA with each other. The few differences that do exist reflect differences in environments and external factors, not core biology.

An example would say you're a lily white boy but have the slim ectomorphic build of an East African, a natural talent for long distance running, brown eyes, and under 6 feet, you might share more genetic traits with a random East African than a person of your own "race." Also think about how other animals perceive us. To a dog, our unique scent signature among us would be a much more dramatic difference than our different skin colors and features, so it might be that two people who look very different but smell similar (to a dog) might be more genetically similar.

[Spurtacular]

How can I take them seriously when I basically laugh at them? Don't think all people who identify as liberals are in favor of radical "wokeness."

True. This shows how the AP is just a name though. Imagine if anyone in it went against this? They'd be ostracized.

[midnightpulp]

Until liberals infiltrate non-Western nations, this is the faith of Whites as a whole. Self-defeat

AP interviewed Africans, Asians, Arabs etc and they said "hell ya capitalize us".

Then they interviewed white liberals and were told "don't do it".

That is ultimately the recap of White people since WW2. Self-defeating in the name of so called equality only to find themselves weaker and soon to be under others thumb.

It's all theater. I've told you before, what really drives power relations is wealth disparity. The lower classes, of any "race" will be perpetually under the thumb of the rich. "Wokeness" isn't going to relieve Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, the Waltons of their wealth any time soon. "Alt-right" isn't going to relieve Michael Jordan and Oprah of their wealth anytime soon.

And that's my core issues with "wokeness." I wish they would mobilize and attack "wealth privilege" rather than white privilege. Sure, they might equate wealth privilege with white privilege, since on average, white people are wealthier, but there's many very powerful and wealthy minorities. Lebron James goes to all the same parties as Jeff Bezos. Kanye pals it up with Elon Musk. They live in the same neighborhoods. Send their kids to the same elite schools. Then Lebron wears an I Can't Breathe T-shirt and tweets Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and the woke crowd reflexively considers him an ally. Theater.

[FrostKing]

It's all theater. I've told you before, what really drives power relations is wealth disparity. The lower classes, of any "race" will be perpetually under the thumb of the rich. "Wokeness" isn't going to relieve Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, the Waltons of their wealth any time soon. "Alt-right" isn't going to relieve Michael Jordan and Oprah of their wealth anytime soon.

And that's my core issues with "wokeness." I wish they would mobilize and attack "wealth privilege" rather than white privilege. Sure, they might equate wealth privilege with white privilege, since on average, white people are wealthier, but there's many very powerful and wealthy minorities. Lebron James goes to all the same parties as Jeff Bezos. Kanye pals it up with Elon Musk. They live in the same neighborhoods. Send their kids to the same elite schools. Then Lebron wears an I Can't Breathe T-shirt and tweets Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and the woke crowd reflexively considers him an ally. Theater.
:tu

[Spurminator]

It's all theater. I've told you before, what really drives power relations is wealth disparity. The lower classes, of any "race" will be perpetually under the thumb of the rich. "Wokeness" isn't going to relieve Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, the Waltons of their wealth any time soon. "Alt-right" isn't going to relieve Michael Jordan and Oprah of their wealth anytime soon.

And that's my core issues with "wokeness." I wish they would mobilize and attack "wealth privilege" rather than white privilege. Sure, they might equate wealth privilege with white privilege, since on average, white people are wealthier, but there's many very powerful and wealthy minorities. Lebron James goes to all the same parties as Jeff Bezos. Kanye pals it up with Elon Musk. They live in the same neighborhoods. Send their kids to the same elite schools. Then Lebron wears an I Can't Breathe T-shirt and tweets Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and the woke crowd reflexively considers him an ally. Theater.

Who's to say Lebron or Bill Gates can't be an ally just because they're rich? Do you think they would oppose major tax reform that affects their income? Do you think their social causes are disingenuous?

Some of the woke culture is ridiculous, sure, but I don't think Lebron taking up the BLM cause is theatre at all. He does a ton for his community, he's not just doing performative activism on Twitter.

[Spurminator]

And the capitalization thing makes sense to me. "White" isn't a nationality, nor is it a culture that formed over time. On the other hand, you can certainly argue that Black people in America, whole they may come from different national backgrounds, have developed a culture of their own as a result of slavery and segregation.

Regardless, it's a pretty dumb thing to get upset about.

[FrostKing]

And the capitalization thing makes sense to me. "White" isn't a nationality, nor is it a culture that formed over time. On the other hand, you can certainly argue that Black people in America, whole they may come from different national backgrounds, have developed a culture of their own as a result of slavery and segregation.

Regardless, it's a pretty dumb thing to get upset about.
Their justification is global. That black-american has more in common with African than white-american with European. Which I would disagree considering every majority white nation on this planet is atleast Western.

[midnightpulp]

Who's to say Lebron or Bill Gates can't be an ally just because they're rich? Do you think they would oppose major tax reform that affects their income? Do you think their social causes are disingenuous?

Some of the woke culture is ridiculous, sure, but I don't think Lebron taking up the BLM cause is theatre at all.

My litmus test for rich people is how much money they're willing to part with for the cause. Yes, why aren't the left billionaire class campaigning for, say, a 1950-60s tax structure (when marginal rates were at their highest)? Reports have shown that billionaires made over 40 billion throughout the pandemic. Why haven't they parted with a good portion of some that toward small business relief? Why haven't they come together and formed some kind of coalition to rescue small businesses, since it's obvious the PPP loans are, ironically, going to billionaires. Lebron should roll into Ohio and just start giving money away to hard hit small business and out of work people. And none of this "million dollar donation" garbage. Lebron is worth 450 million. Will he miss 50 million reviving Ohio business and helping out out of work citizens?

I just want someone on "our" side with actual power to step up and do something. Tweets and t-shirts aren't enough.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't capitalize white either. It's a color. I never understood this white race thing. The Italians don't like the French and neither like the Spanish. The Vikings would have killed all of them. They are all white
irish werent even considered white until at least the mid 19th century, and english scientists literally tried arguing they had different shaped skulls to prove it, etc

[Spurtacular]

Their justification is global. That black-american has more in common with African than white-american with European. Which I would disagree considering every majority white nation on this planet is atleast Western.

Yea, it's a retarded argument on its face. AP shoots its own foot.

[spurraider21]

It's all theater. I've told you before, what really drives power relations is wealth disparity. The lower classes, of any "race" will be perpetually under the thumb of the rich. "Wokeness" isn't going to relieve Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, the Waltons of their wealth any time soon. "Alt-right" isn't going to relieve Michael Jordan and Oprah of their wealth anytime soon.

And that's my core issues with "wokeness." I wish they would mobilize and attack "wealth privilege" rather than white privilege. Sure, they might equate wealth privilege with white privilege, since on average, white people are wealthier, but there's many very powerful and wealthy minorities. Lebron James goes to all the same parties as Jeff Bezos. Kanye pals it up with Elon Musk. They live in the same neighborhoods. Send their kids to the same elite schools. Then Lebron wears an I Can't Breathe T-shirt and tweets Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and the woke crowd reflexively considers him an ally. Theater.
intersectionality is a thing. wealth/class is a huge aspect of civil inequalities but there's more to the pie when there are race/lgbt issues, for instance

it always, always sucks to be poor/low class. its a lot worse to be a poor black trans woman, though

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/ysy0sS7/67665.jpg

:lmao imagine reacting to this. talk about snowflakes

[FrostKing]

:lmao imagine reacting to this. talk about snowflakes


More interjecting politics into our society. Read the full explanation and they even went full conspiracy systematic privilege yadda yadda. Any course in school involving citing will now cover how evil white people are.

[ElNono]

"Ya, it's wrong/stupid but who cares"

Official Liberal slogan

More interjecting politics into our society. Read the full explanation and they even went full conspiracy systematic privilege yadda yadda. Any course in school involving citing will now cover how evil white people are.

Do tell how offended you are coz they're going to write white in lowercase :lol

Let it all out.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL wHITE PEOPLE

[FrostKing]

Do tell how offended you are coz they're going to write white in lowercase :lol

Let it all out.
You were groomed to be submissive to blacks. You don't know any better but I can help fix you.

[ElNono]

You were groomed to be submissive to blacks. You don't know any better but I can help fix you.

I'm not submissive to anything. I give things their proper importance.

You're the one with the problem here, you need to start by fixing yourself, tbh.

Looks like the lowercase thing really took you for a spin. Go ahead, let it all out.

[midnightpulp]

I'm not submissive to anything. I give things their proper importance.

You're the one with the problem here, you need to start by fixing yourself, tbh.

Looks like the lowercase thing really took you for a spin. Go ahead, let it all out.

Honestly, I think his concerns are warranted and "wokeness" is worth having a debate about. Sure, the lowercase white situation is something kind of silly that isn't worth paying attention to, but I think FrostKing's concern is that this points to a larger social issue where the woke crowd, or at least the more fringe element, don't seem to want blind equality but to shift the balance of power to their side as they shame and humiliate "white" people for just being, well, white. I don't think this will serve to improve race relations at all and just wind up creating more white nationalists. Here's an example of how one of the "wokes" is trying to shift power:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506733

Matt Taibbi, a bleeding heart lib, expressed his concerns in this excellent article. I agree with him. Here he outlines how a perfectly reasonable process to promote equal outcomes changed to a process that seeks to shift that balance of power:


What to make of the campaign to end blind auditions for musical positions, which the New York Philharmonic began holding in the early seventies in response to complaints of discrimination?

Before blind auditions, women made up less than 6 percent of orchestras; today they’re half of the New York Philharmonic. But because the change did not achieve similar results with Black and Hispanic musicians, the blind audition must now be “altered to take into fuller account artists’ backgrounds and experiences.” This completes a decades-long circle where the left/liberal project went from working feverishly to expunge racial stereotypes in an effort to level the playing field, to denouncing itself for ever having done so.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-left-is-now-the-right

And it's absolutely patronizing to minorities. Sure, many minorities do start the race a few legs behind, but is this really a productive solution to promote "equality?" Especially when you can't really prove you started at a disadvantage anyway. What if the minority subject had the full devotion of his loving parents who scraped to buy him an instrument and paid for lessons, while the musician from the so-called "privileged" background had an asshole father who beat the shit out of him, who never supported his craft, never gave him money for instruments or lessons and so on. This kind of radical affirmative action will just wind up creating more white grievance and dangerous white nationalists. I don't want to see that happen.

Think of the outcry if the NBA started to consider the backgrounds and experiences of signing players as to promote a more balanced "racial diversity" in the league that was more inclusive of whites and Latinos. This is the kind of inconsistently that can piss people off and make people start to think Blacks are becoming a protected class at the expense of others, at least in sociocultural matters.

I'm completely fine with shifting the power balance into an equilibrium, but we have to call out attempted shifts that favor any group over another.

[Spurminator]

Honestly, I think his concerns are warranted and "wokeness" is worth having a debate about. Sure, the lowercase white situation is something kind of silly that isn't worth paying attention to, but I think FrostKing's concern is that this points to a larger social issue where the woke crowd, or at least the more fringe element, don't seem to want blind equality but to shift the balance of power to their side as they shame and humiliate "white" people for just being, well, white. I don't think this will serve to improve race relations at all and just wind up creating more white nationalists. Here's an example of how one of the "wokes" is trying to shift power:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506733

Matt Taibbi, a bleeding heart lib, expressed his concerns in this excellent article. I agree with him. Here he outlines how a perfectly reasonable process to promote equal outcomes changed to a process that seeks to shift that balance of power:

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-left-is-now-the-right

And it's absolutely patronizing to minorities. Sure, many minorities do start the race a few legs behind, but is this really a productive solution to promote "equality?" Especially when you can't really prove you started at a disadvantage anyway. What if the minority subject had the full devotion of his loving parents who scraped to buy him an instrument and paid for lessons, while the musician from the so-called "privileged" background had an asshole father who beat the shit out of him, who never supported his craft, never gave him money for instruments or lessons and so on. This kind of radical affirmative action will just wind up creating more white grievance and dangerous white nationalists. I don't want to see that happen.

Think of the outcry if the NBA started to consider the backgrounds and experiences of signing players as to promote a more balanced "racial diversity" in the league that was more inclusive of whites and Latinos. This is the kind of inconsistently that can piss people off and make people start to think Blacks are becoming a protected class at the expense of others, at least in sociocultural matters.

I'm completely fine with shifting the power balance into an equilibrium, but we have to call out attempted shifts that favor any group over another.


All due respect, but this is alarmist nonsense from Taibbi, where a few select decisions made based on social pressure and consenting parties are compared to the right's history of codified censorship. His first historical example is a city school board inserting religious theory into science textbooks. This is a legislative decision that would unconstitutionally promote a religious view of creation on children in public schools.

It hardly compares to the supposed evil of an orchestra choosing on its own to respond to social pressures by revising its hiring practices to what basically amounts to affirmative action. (And really, why shouldn't the NY Philharmonic try to portray a more racially diverse group on their stage? Do you believe the musicianship will be negatively impacted as a result? Like with Affirmative Action, generally the choice is between people of similar skill levels. We're not talking about a white virtuoso being passed over for a black amateur here.)

He compares the right's history of legislating the bedroom to the left's Twitter outrage over a "Cancel Culture" letter. How are those two things remotely the same? This is a sign of someone who spends too much time on social media. (And speaking of that, it's not the leadership on the Left that has threatened to legislate how social media companies can enforce their community standards.)

The idea that the Left and Right have "swapped" when it comes to outrage is really hilarious given that the chosen leader of the Right has already gone back to the classic base-baiting rants about athletes "disrespecting the flag."

I'm really disappointed in Taibbi. He used to be an essential writer, then he became an obsessive Russiagate contrarian who probably got so exhausted by the backlash that now he's been reduced to a curmudgeon who complains about the NBA painting Black Lives Matter on the court and compares the significance of Twitter outrage and ill-advised petitions at universities to the significance of the literal President of the United States.

As long as there is still a significant racial imbalance, there are going to people who over-swing. I have no love for cancel culture or purity tests, and I've said many times that I think the left's protest approach of provocation is counter productive. But suggesting we're anywhere close to a "shift" in the balance of power, when we're still very far from balance at all, strikes me as slippery slope paranoia.

[midnightpulp]

All due respect, but this is alarmist nonsense from Taibbi, where a few select decisions made based on social pressure and consenting parties are compared to the right's history of codified censorship. His first historical example is a city school board inserting religious theory into science textbooks. This is a legislative decision that would unconstitutionally promote a religious view of creation on children in public schools.

This is a bit of whataboutism here. "Yeah, some people are getting canceled and decisions are being made on social pressure, but look at the right's insidious past of 'cancel culture.' They did much worse!"


It hardly compares to the supposed evil of an orchestra choosing on its own to respond to social pressures by revising its hiring practices to what basically amounts to affirmative action. (And really, why shouldn't the NY Philharmonic try to portray a more racially diverse group on their stage? Do you believe the musicianship will be negatively impacted as a result? Like with Affirmative Action, generally the choice is between people of similar skill levels. We're not talking about a white virtuoso being passed over for a black amateur here.)

No, I don't agree at all that an orchestra should be pressured into presenting a more racially diverse group on stage if those choices aren't based on pure merit. Again, would you argue the NBA should do the same? NBA rosters don't come close to resembling America's racial diversity. Even if the musicianship are "close" in skill levels, someone will still be considered more skilled, and in an objective evaluation based purely on merit (which a blind audition promotes), the more skilled person should win out. It's not fair to award bonus points or to dock points for things you don't have control over. To me, it's condescending. "You weren't good enough, but we want you anyway because your last name is Hernandez and you're a first generation immigrant." The better solution here is to close the wealth disparity gap so that minorities will start on relatively equal playing field from the beginning.

I'm in the "arts," and would not want my work chosen because I have a collection of genetic material I had no control over (I'm not pure white). "Oh, you're 25 percent native American. Wow, your ancestors (who I don't know) were really oppressed. Here's a cookie."


He compares the right's history of legislating the bedroom to the left's Twitter outrage over a "Cancel Culture" letter. How are those two things remotely the same? This is a sign of someone who spends too much time on social media. (And speaking of that, it's not the leadership on the Left that has threatened to legislate how social media companies can enforce their community standards.)

I don't disagree that is a false equivalency. I just think he fears that cancel culture is kind of a form of "vigilante legislation" where people fear challenging academic leftist orthodoxy (which places race at the center of all social dynamics) due to "cancel culture" looming over their heads. If I were a public figure, I have little doubt I would be "cancelled" for not agreeing with the NY Philharmonic's decision to abandon blind auditions.


The idea that the Left and Right have "swapped" when it comes to outrage is really hilarious given that the chosen leader of the Right has already gone back to the classic base-baiting rants about athletes "disrespecting the flag."


Don't disagree with that. The right are still the bigger "snowflakes," but I think Taibbi is perhaps firing a warning shot to try and reign in cancel culture before we really do become as sensitive as the right.



As long as there is still a significant racial imbalance, there are going to people who over-swing. I have no love for cancel culture or purity tests, and I've said many times that I think the left's protest approach of provocation is counter productive. But suggesting we're anywhere close to a "shift" in the balance of power, when we're still very far from balance at all, strikes me as slippery slope paranoia.

I don't believe there is an "actual shift" in power, just that there's these instances where activists or cancel culture is attempting to shift power while shaming white people with click baity articles like, "White people, we need to talk about..." It's paternalizing and self-righteous. But yeah, that's all I'm really saying and I think what Taibbi is saying, that their approach is counter-productive. Do I feel personally wronged by cancel culture? No. Have I been passed over for something due to affirmative action? No. Do I fear it? No. My fear is it will create more white nationalists and white grievance which is exactly the kind of shit that leads to populists like Trump rising to power. I HATE giving the right any kind of moral highground, and these instances where a black girl is telling white people to leave the room is the kind of shit they use as chum for the base or radicalization.

[ElNono]

Honestly, I think his concerns are warranted and "wokeness" is worth having a debate about. Sure, the lowercase white situation is something kind of silly that isn't worth paying attention to, but I think FrostKing's concern is that this points to a larger social issue where the woke crowd, or at least the more fringe element, don't seem to want blind equality but to shift the balance of power to their side as they shame and humiliate "white" people for just being, well, white. I don't think this will serve to improve race relations at all and just wind up creating more white nationalists. Here's an example of how one of the "wokes" is trying to shift power:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506733

Don't have time to read Taibbi now, but I'll eventually catch up, appreciate it. I want to address your first paragraph.

If you feel humiliated because somebody wrote white in lowercase and Black in uppercase, and causes anything other than rolleyes, then perhaps you need to turn in your manhood card, you're a gigantic insecure person and you need to get your head checked.

I get the slippery slope argument, but you and I both know when you're being humiliated, and when somebody is simply virtue signaling. Neither you or I are getting humiliated without pushback.

This is really what it boils down to. And when it comes to FrostKing, his perception of the world is that from 1920. If you're a mulatto, you shouldn't be voting or procreating. So it's a completely different view of the world from the average, normal person.

He's certainly entitled to his opinion, as wrong and backward it is in this century. But I'm not going to pretend this is some major slight where white privilege hangs in the balance...

[midnightpulp]

Don't have time to read Taibbi now, but I'll eventually catch up, appreciate it. I want to address your first paragraph.

If you feel humiliated because somebody wrote white in lowercase and Black in uppercase, and causes anything other than rolleyes, then perhaps you need to turn in your manhood card, you're a gigantic insecure person and you need to get your head checked.

I get the slippery slope argument, but you and I both know when you're being humiliated, and when somebody is simply virtue signaling. Neither you or I are getting humiliated without pushback.

This is really what it boils down to. And when it comes to FrostKing, his perception of the world is that from 1920. If you're a mulatto, you shouldn't be voting or procreating. So it's a completely different view of the world from the average, normal person.

He's certainly entitled to his opinion, as wrong and backward it is in this century. But I'm not going to pretend this is some major slight where white privilege hangs in the balance...

I think FrostKing's white nationalism is a pose. When I have real conversations with him, I think he legitimate wants the post-racial society America set out to be. Maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

My worry isn't that "wokes" have usurped power, just that these many instances where wokes are telling white people to the leave the room, staging events where white people wash black people's feet, where white people apologize for slavery, is the kind of shit that creates white grievance which creates more racism and which leads to populist shitheels like Trump getting elected. As I said to Spurm above, I hate giving the Right fodder.

[ElNono]

I think FrostKing's white nationalism is a pose. When I have real conversations with him, I think he legitimate wants the post-racial society America set out to be. Maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

My worry isn't that "wokes" have usurped power, just that these many instances where wokes are telling white people to the leave the room, staging events where white people wash black people's feet, where white people apologize for slavery, is the kind of shit that creates white grievance which creates more racism and which leads to populist shitheels like Trump getting elected. As I said to Spurm above, I hate giving the Right fodder.

Part of being a critical thinker is not necessarily agreeing with everything you're fed. You take your time to digest, think about it and come to a conclusion.

I'm not 100% on board with cancel culture, but that doesn't mean, say, that systemic racism is a myth... and that's how some people would like to frame this: with us or against us, and that's superficial dogma to me, it's lazy and it's unappealing.

Same goes with BLM politics. I still don't know what they really are, because they have such a fragmented message, that I can't honestly say I support or not support it. I only heard excerpts depending who's talking that day, so it's difficult to even dissect it.

There's no doubt that Trump's rhetoric has gotten a minority of very loud voices out of the closet. And there's also no doubt they'll be back in the closet sooner rather than later. Mostly because, just like Dear Leader, it's empty bravado.

I'll check the Taibbi piece tomorrow.

[FrostKing]

I think FrostKing's white nationalism is a pose. When I have real conversations with him, I think he legitimate wants the post-racial society America set out to be. Maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

My worry isn't that "wokes" have usurped power, just that these many instances where wokes are telling white people to the leave the room, staging events where white people wash black people's feet, where white people apologize for slavery, is the kind of shit that creates white grievance which creates more racism and which leads to populist shitheels like Trump getting elected. As I said to Spurm above, I hate giving the Right fodder.
My Polish friend from Cleveland called me a "fake racist" after he met my circle of friends. We check a number of demographic boxes but above all we always kept our humor after all these years. No matter how emotional the debate gets, the ability to poke fun and have a laugh is crucial. Because ultimately we are all healthy, educated and live steadily

Politics and social issues became somewhat of a hobby to me over the past 6 years. I think it coincided with becoming bored with team sports. As emotional or heated as a political/social event might get me "I'm gonna post this on Facebook!", the past 2 years I've been able to weather it after a few minutes. Maybe some of that is experience with online trolling and knowing acting unhinged is a weakness. Regardless it has served me well because 5 years ago I was alienating some family and especially acquaintances. Today politics/social issues are not the root of my happiness or anger. I credit this place for also allowing me to let off steam.

I am following your guys discussion here but it is a little over my head. I was unaware of that incident at UVA. I just checked their Reddit page and someone posted a message on poor race relations at the school 5 months ago. So must have been right after. If I attempt to trace back what really irks me or started me on this "red pilled" path, it was the use of guilt and accusations of racism (when Eastern Europe wouldn't accept refugees). I found those tactics out of bounds. And yet it was effective in many cases. That is my overwhelming frustration with how "fellow whites" are driving this movement I disagree with. As I stated before, it is totally understandable to me for a demographic to seek better/more for themselves. I have no issue admitting white people have it better/advantage in the West. I am aware of the persona I play but I do gravitate towards exotic and different, as I always felt like an outsider growing up trying to fit in by being the class clown when we constantly moved. Being around people that are unable to present racism in a humorous way makes me uncomfortable and talk of physical violence is downright trashy.

IMO if you were born in the 1980s (or later) and you set out to see the deck shuffled to become equal within your lifetime, then yah a heavy handed approach is necessary. I am weary of the slippery slope you guys are mentioning. I think it would help to have non-black/white voice heard. It is a bit shocking how the American scope is almost entirely thru these two races. Nearly every statistic pins these two against each other. Fortunately population growth forecast argues it will be Hispanics and Asians most influencing the near future. I wasn't born here and 50/50 on setting my roots here (applying for work overseas in the next 3 month's, great timing yikes), so my opinion on what America should do doesn't matter much. I think there are fundamental problems that warp skin color but hey America has always been a road blazer and experiment and will continue to be.

[ElNono]

IMO if you were born in the 1980s (or later) and you set out to see the deck shuffled to become equal within your lifetime, then yah a heavy handed approach is necessary. I am weary of the slippery slope you guys are mentioning. I think it would help to have non-black/white voice heard. It is a bit shocking how the American scope is almost entirely thru these two races. Nearly every statistic pins these two against each other. Fortunately population growth forecast argues it will be Hispanics and Asians most influencing the near future. I wasn't born here and 50/50 on setting my roots here (applying for work overseas in the next 3 month's, great timing yikes), so my opinion on what America should do doesn't matter much. I think there are fundamental problems that warp skin color but hey America has always been a road blazer and/or experiment and will continue to be.

I'm latino (despite looking like your white guy), so I don't deny I might have somewhat of a different perspective than you average American. However, it's not hard to pinpoint the white/black dichotomy. There's very pointed history between them, and while people can keep claiming slavery was a long time ago, it only has been 50-60 years since institutional racism (in the form of vote suppression, for example) was outlawed. As a matter of fact, the sections that dealt with race-based voter discrimination in the Voting Rights Act was alive and well all the way to 2013 (and there's calls to bring it back).

So no matter how you slice it, it's recent. It takes more than 2-3 generations to get past this thing, and political rhetoric of going back don't help.

[Spurminator]

This is a bit of whataboutism here. "Yeah, some people are getting canceled and decisions are being made on social pressure, but look at the right's insidious past of 'cancel culture.' They did much worse!"

The basis of the article is that the Left has become the new Right. Taibbi brings up specific legislative measures in the right, I'm simply commenting on what he's already introduced.


No, I don't agree at all that an orchestra should be pressured into presenting a more racially diverse group on stage if those choices aren't based on pure merit. Again, would you argue the NBA should do the same? NBA rosters don't come close to resembling America's racial diversity. Even if the musicianship are "close" in skill levels, someone will still be considered more skilled, and in an objective evaluation based purely on merit (which a blind audition promotes), the more skilled person should win out. It's not fair to award bonus points or to dock points for things you don't have control over. To me, it's condescending. "You weren't good enough, but we want you anyway because your last name is Hernandez and you're a first generation immigrant." The better solution here is to close the wealth disparity gap so that minorities will start on relatively equal playing field from the beginning.

I'm in the "arts," and would not want my work chosen because I have a collection of genetic material I had no control over (I'm not pure white). "Oh, you're 25 percent native American. Wow, your ancestors (who I don't know) were really oppressed. Here's a cookie."

But this is where it's alarmist. Ultimately Taibbi's complaint is about a single NY Times column: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-auditions-orchestras-race.html Is that really a campaign? Have there been protests outside of the Lincoln Center? Even if you disagree with the column, it wouldn't be the first time the NY Times Opinion page gave space to an unpopular idea. It doesn't support the assertion that the entire left is somehow pushing for these kinds of measures. This is the same kind of confirmation bias that is FOX News' bread and butter... Find provocative column in "liberal" newspaper, claim that this reflects the views of everyone to the left of Joe Liebermann.

I don't think the NY Philharmonic should be compelled by law to improve its racial/gender diversity, but if they choose to do so on their own, that's their business. A white person on the fringe of being qualified to perform with the NY Philharmonic will have no problem finding other work and will likely perform at the NY Philharmonic some other time. I can see the argument that a public institution should try to reflect the public that supports them, even if it's merit based. That's different from the NBA, which is a competitive business by nature. If the NY Philharmonic ignores the "campaign" to end blind auditions, I doubt there will be much discussion about it long term.

No I don't believe the NBA needs to work towards racial balance. Affirmative action, whether voluntary or mandatory, isn't about making sure every business or industry reflects the racial makeup of the country, it's about making sure minorities are not underrepresented. The NBA has done their part. I don't see anyone campaigning for the NHL to improve racial diversity, but someday they might choose to implement some kind of diversity initiatives, and that probably wouldn't be a terrible business decision.


I don't disagree that is a false equivalency. I just think he fears that cancel culture is kind of a form of "vigilante legislation" where people fear challenging academic leftist orthodoxy (which places race at the center of all social dynamics) due to "cancel culture" looming over their heads. If I were a public figure, I have little doubt I would be "cancelled" for not agreeing with the NY Philharmonic's decision to abandon blind auditions.

I don't think you would. As far as I can tell, none of the signors of the cancel culture letter have been cancelled. Matt Yglesias still has his job at a liberal outlet. JK Rowling hasn't been dropped by her publisher that I'm aware of. The outrage, by and large, has been focused in the sensitive fringes of Twitter and it hasn't lead to tangible consequences for anyone that I'm aware of.


Don't disagree with that. The right are still the bigger "snowflakes," but I think Taibbi is perhaps firing a warning shot to try and reign in cancel culture before we really do become as sensitive as the right.

That would be fair, but his column reads like it's already happened. Maybe that's better for clicks.


I don't believe there is an "actual shift" in power, just that there's these instances where activists or cancel culture is attempting to shift power while shaming white people with click baity articles like, "White people, we need to talk about..." It's paternalizing and self-righteous. But yeah, that's all I'm really saying and I think what Taibbi is saying, that their approach is counter-productive. Do I feel personally wronged by cancel culture? No. Have I been passed over for something due to affirmative action? No. Do I fear it? No. My fear is it will create more white nationalists and white grievance which is exactly the kind of shit that leads to populists like Trump rising to power. I HATE giving the right any kind of moral highground, and these instances where a black girl is telling white people to leave the room is the kind of shit they use as chum for the base or radicalization.

I agree with all of this. The patronizing self-righteousness is off-putting and it doesn't change minds. To some extent it's about empowering like-minded people but in an age where everything is recorded, it tends to backfire.