Is Trump a lame duck president at this point?

[ElNono]

His credibility (or lack of) with regards to the pandemic has been extensively discussed, and with very few exceptions, I think we all agree nobody is paying any attention to him when it comes to that.

Now I'm reading he drew a redline on payroll tax cuts for the next pandemic relief bill, and the GOP Senate is apparently taking a dump on that too.

His re-election campaign keeps getting shaken up, which is another sign things don't appear to be working out great on that front.

I think it's fair to start asking if he's a lame duck president at this point? Does losing Mitch means he's been fully tuned out?

I mean, I know he's running against Biden, so you can't write him off in that race, tbh, but is his power waning as far as shaping image and policy?

(BTW, I know this thread could be great bump material come November, I don't care. This is a discussion about his influence at this point in time, we all know there's plenty of time from here to November).

[baseline bum]

The red state governors still don't want to piss him off, see DeathSantis, Ducey, and the little cripple in Austin.

[Spurminator]

This is where he pulls the goalie. He certainly has nothing to lose by stepping up the fear mongering, fascism and voter suppression. And it might actually get him reelected.

[baseline bum]

This is where he pulls the goalie. He certainly has nothing to lose by stepping up the fear mongering, fascism and voter suppression. And it might actually get him reelected.

Still can't believe this guy's campaign is about statues in the middle of the pandemic and the Trump Depression.

[Spurminator]

Still can't believe this guy's campaign is about statues in the middle of the pandemic and the Trump Depression.

His ads are basically, "If you vote for my opponent, here's what's going to happen" followed by a bunch of video of things happening while he's President.

[ElNono]

The red state governors still don't want to piss him off, see DeathSantis, Ducey, and the little cripple in Austin.

That's a fair point, and should be noted his re-election hopes hinge largely in winning Florida again, which is not minor.

[ChumpDumper]

His ads are basically, "If you vote for my opponent, here's what's going to happen" followed by a bunch of video of things happening while he's President.:lol And he's going to provoke a lot more footage with his secret police US tour.

[FrostKing]

Our society is at a standstill. Well, atleast the non-rioters.

[clambake]

Our society is at a standstill. Well, atleast the non-rioters.

What, society at mommy and daddy’s house?

[Blake]

His ads are basically, "If you vote for my opponent, here's what's going to happen" followed by a bunch of video of things happening while he's President.

And there are enough people out there that buy it to carry him in November

[Trainwreck2100]

That's a fair point, and should be noted his re-election hopes hinge largely in winning Florida again, which is not minor.


He's got a good shot unless Carona takes out a bunch of Cubans

[ducks]

And there are enough people out there that buy it to carry him in November

One can hope

[baseline bum]

This is where he pulls the goalie. He certainly has nothing to lose by stepping up the fear mongering, fascism and voter suppression. And it might actually get him reelected.

Portland is probably a dry run for Trump's Schutzstaffel since he knows there is a massive homelessness crisis coming soon that could lead to unrest that makes Minneapolis look like child's play. 35% of renters in NYC haven't paid any rent since March and the pandemic unemployment dies at the end of the month. The kind of mass homelessness we're about to see is the kind of shit that gets governments overthrown.

[boutons_deux]

As we see with Trash/Barr Schutzstaffel in Seattle and soon in other Dem cities,

Trash/Barr/Miller will abuse every power he has, and some he doesn't have, for the next 6 months to create lots of carnage, right up until 20 Jan.

[ducks]

Yeah how dare trump try to not let people not destroy property

[ElNono]

Yeah how dare trump try to not let people not destroy property

so what do you think ducks, is he a lame duck president at this point? Asking since you're in the family...

[boutons_deux]

Trump skirting Congress to install loyalists in the Pentagonhttps://news.yahoo.com/trump-skirting-congress-install-loyalists-083058272.html?ncid=facebook_yahoonewsf_akfmevaatc a

[FrostKing]

Why don't you animals just behave?

[Spurs Homer]

Yup

and moscow mitch is moving on and betting that having biden take over the ruins trump leaves is just an opportunity for moscow mitch to cockblock biden for 4 years and blame the dems for the smoking ruins after
2021

[ducks]

Trump should get re-elected if virus gets under control

[DarrinS]

I'd vote for Biden three times, if that means Chinese lung AIDS goes away and leftists stop destroying everything.

[DarrinS]

Trunk should get re-elected if virus gets under control

Trunk? Almost funnier than drumpf.

[ElNono]

Trunk should get re-elected if virus gets under control

That looks like a huge IF right now...

[ducks]

Trump will win in a landslide if virus is under control

[Spurminator]

I'd vote for Biden three times, if that means Chinese lung AIDS goes away and leftists stop destroying everything.

"I'm compelled at this point to express some rationale objectivity, but I also need to make sure to keep some anti-PC edge in my stance so no one thinks I've gone soft."

[DarrinS]

"I'm compelled at this point to express some rationale objectivity, but I also need to make sure to keep some anti-PC edge in my stance so no one thinks I've gone soft."

Uhhh, huh huh, ok dude.

[benefactor]

That mask tweet...:lol

He looks done.

[Spurminator]

Uhhh, huh huh, ok dude.

"He nailed my thought process and I need to act like I'm unfazed."

[midnightpulp]

I'd vote for Biden three times, if that means Chinese lung AIDS goes away and leftists stop destroying everything.

You should vote for Biden just because hes the better man for the job. I dont why conservatives fear dem politicians? Conservatives win when either party is in office really. A mainstream dem won't significantly raise taxes, institute universal healthcare, take away the guns. Be secure in the fact that the US is a center to center-right country regardless of who is in power. The progressive revolution will probably happen after we're both dead.

[Blake]

Trump should get re-elected if virus gets under control

All he has to do is tell you it's under control and you'll start a victory thread about it

[Blake]

I'd vote for Biden three times, if that means Chinese lung AIDS goes away and leftists stop destroying everything.

But since you can't see the future, you'll go ahead and vote for the guy you pretend you're not really in love with

[baseline bum]

You should vote for Biden just because hes the better man for the job. I dont why conservatives fear dem politicians? Conservatives win when either party is in office really. A mainstream dem won't significantly raise taxes, institute universal healthcare, take away the guns. Be secure in the fact that the US is a center to center-right country regardless of who is in power. The progressive revolution will probably happen after we're both dead.

The people aren't center right. The two party system and the money primary ensures the choice is almost always center right vs right though.

[FrostKing]

The people aren't center right.
Revolutions are chaotic, bloody and destroy economies. For the most part only the youth support that. America still has more people trying to enter than leave.

[midnightpulp]

Revolutions are chaotic, bloody and destroy economies. For the most part only the youth support that. America still has more people trying to enter than leave.

I dont mean revolution in a bloody civil sense, but a revolution in a sense where enough Americans finally fucking realize how superior social democracy of the European variety is to our rat race "I got mine" economic system

[DarrinS]

You should vote for Biden just because hes the better man for the job. I dont why conservatives fear dem politicians? Conservatives win when either party is in office really. A mainstream dem won't significantly raise taxes, institute universal healthcare, take away the guns. Be secure in the fact that the US is a center to center-right country regardless of who is in power. The progressive revolution will probably happen after we're both dead.


I don't fear a Democrat presidency. As long as they don't go crazy on taxes.

[DarrinS]

But since you can't see the future, you'll go ahead and vote for the guy you pretend you're not really in love with

Hi

[DarrinS]

No one is excited about Biden. They just hate drumpf.

[baseline bum]

No one is excited about Biden. They just hate drumpf.

Pretty much. If Trump didn't handle the pandemic like an autistic child he'd probably have cruised to a re-election pretty easily.

[midnightpulp]

I don't fear a Democrat presidency. As long as they don't go crazy on taxes.

They never have in post-Reagan America.

[diego]

ive posted a lot of chile deja vu's in the past few months... but this one isnt quite there, at least not yet. while trump is certainly losing support, and I think even from the start a lot of his "allies" and hires were trying to work around him, his inability to keep his mouth shut and attention whoring at least keep him visible. Lame ducks usually are too embarrassed to show their face, trump continues promising crazy shit as if he were capable of getting it done...

[Reck]

Damage is done.

It will take polls being massively off, people to re-shift their thought process and Trump having done something substantial of goodwill to win.

Do all that in 2 and a half months and he just might get even at this point, no guarantees.

[ElNono]

ive posted a lot of chile deja vu's in the past few months... but this one isnt quite there, at least not yet. while trump is certainly losing support, and I think even from the start a lot of his "allies" and hires were trying to work around him, his inability to keep his mouth shut and attention whoring at least keep him visible. Lame ducks usually are too embarrassed to show their face, trump continues promising crazy shit as if he were capable of getting it done...

He's always been an edgelord attention whore, tbh... what's new is the obvious capitulation... I mean that tweet with the mask is... pure shame.

But more importantly, it's not about him. He can boast all he wants, but if Mitch doesn't have his back, it makes things really complicated from here to the election.

You can tell his plan was to open everything back up come June 1st, then pump a lot of money into the economy and get a rebound that would take him over the line.

That's dead now, the virus is not going away, not soon anyways. He has to drag 140k dead through the finish line. It's tough.

What's worse, he can't go out there campaigning, and try to define old Joe. Campaign rallies turned into covid talk. He just can't unglue himself from it.

One way he could combat the terrible perception about the virus is throwing stupid money around towards people. But if Mitch doesn't want to play ball, it's going to get really tricky.

[Reck]

By the way, he’s going back to his daily coronavirus briefings starting tomorrow, the very thing that sunk his support to the mid 30s. lol

[ElNono]

By the way, he’s going back to his daily coronavirus briefings starting tomorrow, the very thing that sunk his support to the mid 30s. lol

Look, it makes sense. He's basically invisible right now, and he can't campaign either. He needs to go out there and at least show his face.

Now he reshuffled his campaign, maybe somebody writes him some talking points that make more sense.

[diego]

yeah thats all true, my point is that trump doesnt care, hes going to keep acting. either that or he doesnt know, but i think he thinks he can bluff his way through and, regardless if he pulls it off (highly doubtful at this point), its not the usual strategy of a politician in this situation, either because they're smart enough to see they need allies or they're honest enough to realize they just dont have enough support. Trump apparently thinks he's the chosen one, again.

[FrostKing]

Trump is wagering that the working class chooses his failures over Democrats' chaos

[Spurtacular]

:lol Chumpettes didn't learn their lesson on these threads in 2016.

[ElNono]

Trump is wagering that the working class chooses his failures over Democrats chaos

I think that meme made sense back in '16 when nobody really knew him. After these 4 years, it's difficult to say he cares about the working class at all.

[ElNono]

:lol Chumpettes didn't learn their lesson on these threads in 2016.

Addressed in the OP.


I mean, I know he's running against Biden, so you can't write him off in that race, tbh, but is his power waning as far as shaping image and policy?

(BTW, I know this thread could be great bump material come November, I don't care. This is a discussion about his influence at this point in time, we all know there's plenty of time from here to November).

[midnightpulp]

Trump is wagering that the working class chooses his failures over Democrats' chaos

Higher taxes on the rich help the working class. They always have throughout the 20th century and do so in modern European countries.

Biden is proposing a 700 billion dollar "Buy American" plan. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/biden-proposes-a-700-billion-plus-buy-american-campaign.html

All this helps the working class significantly more than giving tax cuts to billionaires so they can buy back their own stock. That said, the rural white working class is so invested in the "cult of Trump," I'm not sure there's anything can pull them away. They love him. It's not even about his policies. They just love him as teenagers loved Elvis in the 1950s.

[Blake]

Hi

Hi Trumper

[Blake]

No one is excited about Biden. They just hate drumpf.

Not you though

[midnightpulp]

I think that meme made sense back in '16 when nobody really knew him. After these 4 years, it's difficult to say he cares about the working class at all.

Det slope after the election.

https://chartable-images.edapps.nile.works/chartable/5b4796e19def54000e1f983c/2300.jpg?v=1533907767.670501

[FrostKing]

Higher taxes on the rich help the working class. They always have throughout the 20th century and do so in modern European countries.

Biden is proposing a 700 billion dollar "Buy American" plan. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/biden-proposes-a-700-billion-plus-buy-american-campaign.html

All this helps the working class significantly more than giving tax cuts to billionaires so they can buy back their own stock. That said, the rural white working class is so invested in the "cult of Trump," I'm not sure there's anything can pull them away. They love him. It's not even about his policies. They just love him as teenagers loved Elvis in the 1950s.
Unless that 700 billion is landing in the pockets of BLM, the protest won't stop. And with it looting and indiscriminate violence. Biden can't guarantee there won't be another black male killed by Police and with it more riots.

2020 illustrated that having more money and hiding in a gated community (with rifle in hand) isn't gonna save you from the mob. Someone has to put these people in their place and I don't think the working class believes that politician is represented by the letter 'D'.

[ElNono]

Unless that 700 billion is landing in the pockets of BLM, the protest won't stop. And with it looting and indiscriminate violence. Biden can't guarantee there won't be another black male killed by Police and with it more riots.

2020 illustrated that having more money and hiding in a gated community (with rifle in hand) isn't gonna save you from the mob. Someone has to put these people in their place and I don't think the working class believes that individual is represented by the letter 'D'.

Do those people with guns in the gated community look like working class to you?

[FrostKing]

Do those people with guns in the gated community look like working class to you?
They are working, unlike the protesters.

[Spurtacular]

Addressed in the OP.

:lol Disclaimer

[ElNono]

:lol Disclaimer

The simple truth. Pretty clear we can have this conversation without having to delve into Biden.

And feel free to bump come November if Trump wins, tbh, it's part and parcel of discussing these topics here.

[ElNono]

They are working, unlike the protesters.

Do they look to you that they were working while brandishing those guns?

[ChumpDumper]

I'd vote for Biden three times, if that means Chinese lung AIDS goes away and leftists stop destroying everything."everything"

Pretty dramatic tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Unless that 700 billion is landing in the pockets of BLM, the protest won't stop. And with it looting and indiscriminate violence. Biden can't guarantee there won't be another black male killed by Police and with it more riots.

2020 illustrated that having more money and hiding in a gated community (with rifle in hand) isn't gonna save you from the mob. Someone has to put these people in their place and I don't think the working class believes that politician is represented by the letter 'D'.

SoCal, we filled our jails and cracked down on looters. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2020-05-30/hundreds-arrested-after-looting-vandalism-sweep-downtown-la

I watched the daily briefings from Garcetti and many Southern California police chiefs. Looting wasn't to be tolerated and the city/region cracked down on it hard. BLM at one point was even protesting outside Garcetti's house.

[clambake]

Do they look to you that they were working while brandishing those guns?

You told him twice. His parents are yelling at him for using all the foil.

He might need a minute.

[FrostKing]

Do they look to you that they were working while brandishing those guns?
Are you hinting that these are hired protestors?

[FrostKing]

SoCal, we filled our jails and cracked down on looters. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2020-05-30/hundreds-arrested-after-looting-vandalism-sweep-downtown-la

I watched the daily briefings from Garcetti and many Southern California police chiefs. Looting wasn't to be tolerated and the city/region cracked down on it hard. BLM at one point was even protesting outside Garcetti's house.
https://i.ibb.co/x7JJk7Q/Screen-Shot-2020-07-21-at-1-27-36-AM.png

[ElNono]

Are you hinting that these are hired protestors?

No, I'm asking you, who made the claim, what makes you think that couple was on the job while brandishing those guns?

[FrostKing]

No, I'm asking you, who made the claim, what makes you think that couple was on the job while brandishing those guns?
He's an attorney. He has a job.

[ElNono]

He's an attorney. He has a job.

How do you know those other people don't have a job? Because they were protesting? Looks like this fella wasn't working either.

[boutons_deux]

Look, it makes sense. He's basically invisible right now

he's going again to get the best ratings ever by re-starting his daily pandemic campaign events, Made For Reality TeeVee, campaigning from the WH just as he did last week.

[Reck]

Look, it makes sense. He's basically invisible right now, and he can't campaign either. He needs to go out there and at least show his face.

Now he reshuffled his campaign, maybe somebody writes him some talking points that make more sense.

So it's confirmed. The briefings are just campaign rallies. This will go down well..

1285558658848481281

God bless this guy's stupidity. Only reason we'll have a Biden presidency.

[ElNono]

So it's confirmed. The briefings are just campaign rallies.

yep