Spurs v Pacers | NBA Restart Scrimmage #3 - 7/28/2020 - ⏰ 3pm CT 📺 @FOXSportsSW, @NBATV

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

Metu's shirt, lol

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1288176762057297920

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[TimDunkem]

Metu's shirt, lol

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1288176762057297920

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeCEiafWkAArSMl?format=jpg&name=large

RE-SIGN THIS MAN

:lmao

[ace3g]

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Pacers starters (again) vs the Spurs
Aaron Holiday
Malcolm Brogdon
Victor Oladipo
TJ Warren
Myles Turner

McMillan said he will try to get this group some run during the 4th quarter

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Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN

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Pop on Patty Mills, who has not played in either of the team's two start-up scrimmages: “He’s kind of got the Manu Ginobili sort of makeup. His body is aching from head to toe in myriad ways. … We’re just sitting him for right now.”


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Bruno Passos Bouncepassos
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Asked Pop about DeMar assuming more of a background role offensively thus far. He said he couldn't speak definitively about them continuing with the 8 restart games but mentioned the importance of freeing up bandwidth to fully try out the Derrick-Dejounte backcourt.


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Tom Petrini realTomPetrini
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Pop called Keldon a "Mustang" - "Kinda wild, very energetic, very aggressive"


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Popovich says Keldon Johnson's development as a player that "takes no prisoners", likes to take the contact, that the team is high on him. #nbahttps://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/NBATeam20192020Season_Emojis_NBA/NBATeam20192020Season_Emojis_NBA.png (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nba) #gospursgo (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23gospursgo)

[Dejounte]

Last wild Mustang the Spurs had was Emannuel Geenobeelay

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Popovich says they wanted to see Dejounte and Derrick play together. Want them both to be more aggressive, shooting from 3 #gospursgohttps://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/NBATeam20192020Season_Emojis_SAS/NBATeam20192020Season_Emojis_SAS.png (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23gospursgo) #nba (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nba)

[Play Boban]

I’m not gonna watch

[GB20]

I think keldon Johnson will be Demar’s replacement pretty soon.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1288195522344386560

[Killakobe81]

Metu's shirt, lol

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1288176762057297920

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeCEiafWkAArSMl?format=jpg&name=large

Is that post Horry hip image of Nash?
Though i hated that Stern ruling id buy that shirt...
Got a budfy who overrates Nash ...it would piss him off.

[talkspurs]

Start Metu or Luka. lets atleast see how they play although the Pacers are starting more of a SF at PF.

[Dejounte]

Derrick's defense giving me Kawhi vibes. He should win DPOY in his career.

[boutons_deux]

who is on Metu's shirt?

[ace3g]

who is on Metu's shirt?

https://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/nash160512_777x442.jpg?w=756&h=430

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[poopbox]

Rugy Gay is so washed

[Killakobe81]

Derrick's defense giving me Kawhi vibes. He should win DPOY in his career.

Stop. He loka good but he not even Bowen level or is this sarcasm?

[Darius Bieber]

Can we have atleast one quarter where we hold an opponent under 20 points?

[r0drig0lac]

TJ making it look easy

[Killakobe81]

TJ making it look easy
Would live him as a backup PG just for his hustle and toughness

[Dejounte]

Refs finally letting Keldon play. Leading the Spurs with 9 points

[Degoat]

Keldon looking good!

[poopbox]

Keldon being really aggressive, hopefully it rubs off on derrick

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Derrick White looks healthy

[Dex]

White and Johnson standing out so far.

Gay has good and bad moments...dude is just getting old.

[Dejounte]

Keldon being really aggressive, hopefully it rubs off on derrick

I think it rubs off everybody. Even Eubanks screaming like a madman after he dunked it.

[Dex]

DW going back to the locker room....probably need some stitches.

[Dejounte]

Derrick with a gash on the eye, taken out of the game. Hopefully nothing serious. He was elbowed.

[Darius Bieber]

Fitting that the City of San Antonio's Solid Waste Department is sponsoring this broadcast, because that's exactly what they're showing on the stream.

[Dex]

DeRozan continues to be useless. Can't even hit layups.

[Dex]

Lonnie and Poeltl seem to have established a really good connection. Some Manu-esque passing going on there...reminds me of Ginobili spoon-feeding Blair for easy buckets.

[KobesAchilles]

I don't know what's worse to watch. IG Baller trying to dribble his way into the paint and fail everytime since he has no handles or DeRozan shoot a layup. Like at this point he has to be missing on purpose :lol

[Dex]

No Mills so far in the scrimmages...very interesting.

Maybe Pop really is going with the youth for these seeding games.

[Dejounte]

No Mills so far in the scrimmages...very interesting.

Maybe Pop really is going with the youth for these seeding games.

Too much Gay and DeMar though.

[Larry O]

DW4 with the Manuesque moooves! He takes an elbow to the eye; get's stitched up; get's back out there & takes a charge! Happy Birthday GINOBILIIIII!!!

[Dancelot]

Forbes with 0 mins! Is this real life?

[r0drig0lac]

I don't care about the result, a team without Mills, Forbes and Marco is so ... watchable.

[ace3g]

Anyone have a link for the game?

[EasyMoney]

Forbes with 0 mins! Is this real life?


Saving the energy for a 24 minute 2nd half

[objective]

No Forbes or Mills and still keeping it close despite the lucky banked in threes by Indiana and bad DeRozan defense

White is creating so many defensive incidents, he's just great That one charge he took makes Forbes and his zero career charges look terrible.

DeRozan at SF on defense is bad enough, DeRozan at smallball 4 is even worse

[Dancelot]

Keldon being really aggressive, hopefully it rubs off on derrick
Keldon is the BEST player to come out of the kawhi trade. Who would’ve thought?

[TXstbobcat]

I’m kind of liking these NBA weekday day games.

[poopbox]

I wonder if Pop is really going to play White Walker and Murray together when the games count cause Demar at small ball 4 is a disaster

[emanueldavidginobili]

Man I love Keldon

[SAGirl]

Rudy doing just enough to stay in the Spurs. Can't complain much about him, he's old and the Spurs need guys with his size anyways. Johnson looking really good. I'd like to see him get more confident with this shot though. One of his TO was him passing up a shot.

It's exciting to watch the young Spurs compete.

Eubanks looks like a good bench player.

__I missed the first half though. I missed White's good first half.

[poopbox]

Keldon and Dejounte have been houding the last few defensive possessions

[Dejounte]

Great hustle play by Keldon wow

[SAGirl]

Keldon looks like a difference maker tbh. Deserves to be starting from now on.

[r0drig0lac]

KJ....

[Dejounte]

Keldon is dominating

[emanueldavidginobili]

Keldon is relentless good god.

[poopbox]

Metu and Luka in at the same time. Queue the benny hill music :spin

[Degoat]

Luka is a scrub!!!!! Lol

[Degoat]

Keldon going beast mode

[Dejounte]

Lonnie shining in garbage time... Come on Lonnie. Show this much earlier.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lonnie’s playmaking has improved a lot

[BatManu20]

Keldon has that dog in him. I dig it.

Luka’s young but he’s nowhere near being a contributing piece right now. Raw and looks lost most of the time he’s out there.

[EasyMoney]

Keldon proving to be a steal at 29. Luka proving to be, well, something, at 19

[SAGirl]

Keldon and Loonie looked amazing. Lonnie made a few passes in the garbage time that were surprisingly good. Luka looks like a bust

[LakerHater]

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[Dejounte]

So big stories of today's game:

Keldon dominating the game. He had 21 big time points. The way he scores just screams stardom. They arent empty points like how DeMar typically scores.

Lonnie's newfound passing skill. ELECTRIFYING

[8FOR!3]

Keldon looks a little more ready for the NBA even though he’s younger than Walker. Walker has come along he’s just got a ways to go, he’s greener but he’s starting to find where his shot is. Like seeing him shoot those corner 3’s looks like he’s been practicing. Luka is going to take a couple of years but eventually he could be worth the pick. Everything about his game is smooth but it just hasn’t clicked yet

[TD 21]

Walker's play making has made a quantum leap. Yeah, it'd be nice if he were more aggressive, but he's probably the best catch and shoot option and third best creator among the starters, which naturally places him in more of a spot up role.

Johnson's combination of relentless attacking/strength reminds me some of Westbrook. His confidence/toughness are much needed on this team.

If Samanic wants to have an NBA career, his give a shit quotient better increasingly significantly.

[Chinook]

Think the SL will end up being Murray, Walker, Johnson, DeRozan, Poeltl. You just can't keep Keldon out of the first unit. Once the older guards come back, having White in the second unit with Mills and or Forbes is a must.

Pop needs to call plays for Walker. They need to stop letting it be Lonnie's decision to be aggressive and force him to take more initiative by giving him the ball. He was a little off today in terms of shooting, but he's learning to leverage his athletic ability to get others good looks. That's something pretty much no one else on the team can do right now. With LMA out, there should be enough touches for Walker to get his while still keeping DeRozan happy. They just shouldn't be trying to slot Murray into a big offensive role, and I think that would happen if the SL I hypothesized would run its natural course.

Johnson and White can be the foundation of a strong perimeter defense. I still don't think Murray's as good there as some people and numbers suggest. I think his style of play and skill-set fit better on the bench. Still, this team has a path forward in terms fo bit pieces. They're missing a defensive four and still play too many liabilities to be a really good defense as is, but proper coaching could get good performances out of the team on that end.

I liked Eubanks. I kind of dominated Sampson on multiple occasions. I don't think he's a great rotation big, but he'd be fine depth, especially if the team can't get a center in the draft and/or Poeltl walks.

Weatherspoon is okay. He looks like he knows what he's doing out there but still hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game. If the Spurs end up clearing some of their glut of guards over the next couple of off-seasons, I'd be really curious to see if Quinn can move up in the Pipeline.

Metu is awful and Sam is still too green to judge.

Think that's it for the young players. I will say though that it's been a while since the garbage-time unit has looked good. Back in the Medium Three era, the Spurs had crazy-good depth with multiple long-term rotation-caliber players. I think they have that depth now. Problem is that there's not enough on top to really make use of that depth.

Oh, and Gay played well. That was cool to see. Best-case scenario is he plays well enough to entice a team like GS of LAL to acquire him in the off-season. The club did not make a mistake giving him that contract, but at this point he's holding back the team from really trying to fix their PF position. Morris and Carroll were just stop-gaps, and they need something permanent in the worst way.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pretty much agree with you Chinook. I think they should swap Murray and Keldon. Let DJ come off the bench so he can get more shots. Keldon looks like the better player already

[TD 21]

Johnson and White can be the foundation of a strong perimeter defense. I still don't think Murray's as good there as some people and numbers suggest. I think his style of play and skill-set fit better on the bench. Still, this team has a path forward in terms fo bit pieces. They're missing a defensive four and still play too many liabilities to be a really good defense as is, but proper coaching could get good performances out of the team on that end.

People say defense like it's all encompassing. Murray is overrated on ball. He's a gambler, who can be overpowered. Off ball, his length/athleticism/activity makes him an effective play maker by being disruptive and getting deflections/steals.

He looks lost with the starters. He's now like the third creator, sees White/Walker/Johnson all having their moments of strong play and wants to join in, but doesn't seem to know how to, so he ends up forcing it occasionally. But if they move him to the bench, his lack of play making will be exposed.

[talkspurs]

No Forbes and we win. could there be something to that. Everyone has been seeing it all year but pop.

[DPG21920]

I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

[GAustex]

The Pacers seemed not very good

[Dejounte]

I think we all have to settle on the idea that DJ's ceiling is an Iguodala type role player, not a star. He needs to embrace that role and play within himself.

[Dancelot]

Keldon being really aggressive, hopefully it rubs off on derrick
Keldon is the BEST player to come out of the kawhi trade. Who would’ve thought?

[Dhbsr555]

To those saying luka is a bust give him time he’s only 20

[Dex]

To those saying luka is a bust give him time he’s only 20

No one said he is a bust. He is just young and has a lot of work to do on his game.

[Chomag]

I hope we never see Forbes ever again because of good play of Murray/White/Keldon combo and we still have Patty and Derozen that should all be in front of him.

[KobesAchilles]

To those saying luka is a bust give him time he’s only 20
The dude is averaging 29, 9, and 9. Wtf is calling him a bust:lol oh wait, you mean our Luka. Yeah dudes a bust.

Its time to add Murray to whatever trade package we can get for DDR. He’s the Danny Green of point guards when it comes to dribbling and playmaking, except he can’t shoot worth shit. It’s time to start White, Lonnie, and KJ. Get rid of Belli, Forbes, Murray, and DDR in the offseason and then draft anything but SG

[Genovaswitness]

gotta unload that fat sulky POS muh touches too

[ace3g]

Could not watch due to no FSSW on Dish Network = No game recap from me.

Set repeat to "On" for the rest of the restart most likely except for games on national broadcast...

[Degoat]

I don’t really think Luka is a bust even though I comment that lol but imo it is frustrating that a guy like Brandon Clarke was available and we took Luka. I’m just expecting the worst from Luka and hoping for the best

[GAustex]

Walker White Murray and Johnson looked ok.
I LOL’d as soon a Beli checks in-dude goes right by him for a layup I could have made.
Young wings are Ok.
No Forbes-wow
Turn DDR Forbes and Beli into 2 6’ 7” dudes who can defend and shoot a bit and a 6’9” dude tough guy.

[talkspurs]

I think we all have to settle on the idea that DJ's ceiling is an Iguodala type role player, not a star. He needs to embrace that role and play within himself.

I disagree. I still think he will be a good player. If he is not doing beter more consistently next year then i might join but right now I still see him with the potential to be good.

[R. DeMurre]

Even with a bad shooting night, Derrick White finishes with 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks, and a team leading +17.

[R. DeMurre]

I think we all have to settle on the idea that DJ's ceiling is an Iguodala type role player, not a star. He needs to embrace that role and play within himself.

Iguodala was the 6th man playing starter's minutes on the team with the best regular season record in the history of the NBA. Before that, he averaged 15+ppg, 5+ rpg, & 5+apg for multiple seasons with Philly. I'd be thrilled if DJ had a career like AI's.

[SAGirl]

No Forbes and we win. could there be something to that. Everyone has been seeing it all year but pop.
Underrated on point comment. I had forgotten about this. It can’t be a coincidence.

[Dejounte]

Clear chemistry between Poetl and Lonnie. These two need to be in the same line-up at all times.

Then the chemistry between DJ and Keldon.

White just fits with anyone.

[GAustex]

The great poop could not see that not playing Forbes gave his team a better chance to win.
The great poop also signed broke down worthless DeMarre Carroll who is still getting paid by Holt while “playing” for the Rockets
The great poop

[tim_duncan_fan]

Derrick White is that dude. He greatly affects the game on D and O.


If he reverts and is hesitant to shoot next game because he missed some buckets tonight I am going to lose my shit.

[Sugus]

I want to mention Lonnie and Keldon's budding chemistry, which hasn't been talked about yet and was glaring today. Both seem to be friends off the court, and already play up to each other's strengths - I've seen Keldon whip up a pass to an open Lonnie at the 3pt line, and that bounce pass from Lonnie on the fastbreak just in time for Keldon's dunk was straight up filthy. Both guys are visibly developing their playmaking skills, setting up other players (which is something the team sorely needs if they're ever going to move on from DeRozan), and just pushing the pace in general. Eventually I'd like Pop/Becky/whoever to force both of them to play more half-court sets as ballhandlers, get some reps in PnR situations, get better at reading the defense. But this aggressive, fast-paced, transition style offense that they seem to be gunning for is a breath of fresh air for sure.

Also, the vets need to fucking step aside. I hate that shit more than anything. Marco, DeMar, Rudy (even though he had a good game today) all fucking force shots when there's better plays available. Sometimes it seems to be by design, like the young players are only allowed to drive&kick until the ball ends up on a vet with the clock winding down for a forced shot. It doesn't help that DJ is almost as scared to shoot the ball as Luka is to be on the court in general, and White tends to play passive on offense. Keldon in that regard, is a sight for sore eyes, he doesn't give a fuck what you think and is gonna take it to the rim.

I don't know why people are so low on our young core. They seem to be actively trying to shake off the old vets on the team, like they know it's dead weight. Hopefully the FO realizes this, because the signs can't get much more obvious. We might not win so many games while the youngings develop, but it'll be more fun to watch than this and last year's Spurs teams, for sure.

[Killakobe81]

Not just Spurs plenty of teams act like its 2010 not 2020 video game streamers have better setups than most sports media types.

[SpurSpike]

Bryn is getting the star treatment now and was given a rest game before starting every game to finish the season. You all know this to be true!

[GAustex]

Short term:
Do not play Forbes
Play Beli and Mills as little as possible

Long term:
Rid poop
rid ddr
rid forbes
rid beli
find some 6'7" dudes who can defend and run and hit a shot every now and then
find a 6'9" mobile bruiser dude
eventually phase Gay out or play very little to keep fresh for offense
eventually replace LMA
got to get rid of poop first

[tim_duncan_fan]

I want to mention Lonnie and Keldon's budding chemistry, which hasn't been talked about yet and was glaring today. Both seem to be friends off the court, and already play up to each other's strengths - I've seen Keldon whip up a pass to an open Lonnie at the 3pt line, and that bounce pass from Lonnie on the fastbreak just in time for Keldon's dunk was straight up filthy. Both guys are visibly developing their playmaking skills, setting up other players (which is something the team sorely needs if they're ever going to move on from DeRozan), and just pushing the pace in general. Eventually I'd like Pop/Becky/whoever to force both of them to play more half-court sets as ballhandlers, get some reps in PnR situations, get better at reading the defense. But this aggressive, fast-paced, transition style offense that they seem to be gunning for is a breath of fresh air for sure.

Also, the vets need to fucking step aside. I hate that shit more than anything. Marco, DeMar, Rudy (even though he had a good game today) all fucking force shots when there's better plays available. Sometimes it seems to be by design, like the young players are only allowed to drive&kick until the ball ends up on a vet with the clock winding down for a forced shot. It doesn't help that DJ is almost as scared to shoot the ball as Luka is to be on the court in general, and White tends to play passive on offense. Keldon in that regard, is a sight for sore eyes, he doesn't give a fuck what you think and is gonna take it to the rim.

I don't know why people are so low on our young core. They seem to be actively trying to shake off the old vets on the team, like they know it's dead weight. Hopefully the FO realizes this, because the signs can't get much more obvious. We might not win so many games while the youngings develop, but it'll be more fun to watch than this and last year's Spurs teams, for sure.

Them being more fun to watch may be more important than anything else. Spurs need revenue and aren't in position to have a team that can't win AND isn't fun to watch. I know I wasn't going to renew LeaguePass until this "development" thing started. Now I have a reason to watch this next 8 games and hopefully beyond.

[Sugus]

Them being more fun to watch may be more important than anything else. Spurs need revenue and aren't in position to have a team that can't win AND isn't fun to watch. I know I wasn't going to renew LeaguePass until this "development" thing started. Now I have a reason to watch this next 8 games and hopefully beyond.

Totally agree. I found myself forcefully watching a lot of games this season, just due to sheer fan will, because the team hasn't been very fun to watch. And it's not only that the offense is stagnant and predictable, whilst the defense pourous and embarrassing; it's that you just know the team is full of stupid ass players and vets, no lead is truly safe, and the playbook and style is outdated. At times it was more fun to muse on how the Spurs were going to drop the lead they had gained, and then watch it develop in real time, than it was to actively root for them to win.

The team/FO needs to open their fucking eyes, this is the absolute perfect time to cut off the gangrene and start fresh. Drop the stone-age vets, make some moves, bring back Fiesta jerseys, start to market the team as a young run-and-gun, energetic group, and start selling people on future potential, development, something tangible. These past few seasons where the only reward at the finish line was another year for the PO streak, with a first round sweep or loss as the obvious and inevitable outcome, was an awful selling point marketing-wise. Especially for a franchise like the Spurs, whose fans are so accustomed to postseason success and a high bar of expectations.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Totally agree. I found myself forcefully watching a lot of games this season, just due to sheer fan will, because the team hasn't been very fun to watch. And it's not only that the offense is stagnant and predictable, whilst the defense pourous and embarrassing; it's that you just know the team is full of stupid ass players and vets, no lead is truly safe, and the playbook and style is outdated. At times it was more fun to muse on how the Spurs were going to drop the lead they had gained, and then watch it develop in real time, than it was to actively root for them to win.

The team/FO needs to open their fucking eyes, this is the absolute perfect time to cut off the gangrene and start fresh. Drop the stone-age vets, make some moves, bring back Fiesta jerseys, start to market the team as a young run-and-gun, energetic group, and start selling people on future potential, development, something tangible. These past few seasons where the only reward at the finish line was another year for the PO streak, with a first round sweep or loss as the obvious and inevitable outcome, was an awful selling point marketing-wise. Especially for a franchise like the Spurs, whose fans are so accustomed to postseason success and a high bar of expectations.

If nothing else, they can absolutely control the jerseys. Everything else is some level of luck, but at least give us the Fiesta colors.

[poopbox]

Dejounte is still the best defender on this team, it's just that he plays with Forbes, the worst defender in the league, Derozan, one of the worst defenders in the league, and LMA, who never switches onto a guard or really comes out of the paint to challenge anything. Keldon has looked good on defense in these scrimmages but put him out there against real nba starters and let him play with 2 awful defenders and a big who won't rotate and he will look bad to...

White is a more polished player but for the spurs to be a real championship contender they need Murray to run the team and make a leap offensively...White just athletically can't do things that Dejounte can...

[tim_duncan_fan]

Derrick is best defender.

Keldon can guard Short Luka and do a decent job at it.

[daslicer]

Not just Spurs plenty of teams act like its 2010 not 2020 video game streamers have better setups than most sports media types.

Agreed. I have seen youtubers with better setups than a lot of these sports media types. I was schocked when Stephen A brought up in response to Jax's controversial statements that Jax actually had 10-20 Jewish people working on his set to operate his show No Smoke. That really surprised not the fact that they were jewish but he needed 10-20 people to run that show. I have seen youtubers sports guys run better video coverage inside of their living room than what Jax had on his show No Smoke.

[Dejounte]

Dejounte is still the best defender on this team, it's just that he plays with Forbes, the worst defender in the league, Derozan, one of the worst defenders in the league, and LMA, who never switches onto a guard or really comes out of the paint to challenge anything. Keldon has looked good on defense in these scrimmages but put him out there against real nba starters and let him play with 2 awful defenders and a big who won't rotate and he will look bad to...

White is a more polished player but for the spurs to be a real championship contender they need Murray to run the team and make a leap offensively...White just athletically can't do things that Dejounte can...

Disagree. Murray wrecks havoc on passing lanes with his length (same manner as Kawhi) while Derrick is quicker and has actual fundamentals that he is able to stay in front of his man, making him the better on ball defender. Dejounte being more "athletic" is overstated.

[FkLA]

Forms just needs to GTFO. Games are so much more fun to watch without midget g-leaguers who cant stay in front of anyone.

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNj3Kc-jkE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IF2pJ3XPoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ2InL-dePE

[Dejounte]

Few are mentioning it, but i thought our centers did a decent job today. Suprisingly, Eubanks wasnt hurting the team when he was on the floor.

[KobesAchilles]

Dejounte can't play in a half court system. He doesn't have the handles to consistently get into the paint. The only time he's able to do so is when he has a lot of open floor to do so. Also 4 of his "assists" were passes to his teammates that caught the ball at the 3 point line, took 3-4 dribbles, and then made their shot :lol

Pop needs to either run and gun this team or trade DJ. He should trade him anyways if the dude is going to continue to play/start as a PG. He has no 3ball either so we can't even play him as a SG :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Dejounte can't play in a half court system. He doesn't have the handles to consistently get into the paint. The only time he's able to do so is when he has a lot of open floor to do so. Also 4 of his "assists" were passes to his teammates that caught the ball at the 3 point line, took 3-4 dribbles, and then made their shot :lol

Pop needs to either run and gun this team or trade DJ. He should trade him anyways if the dude is going to continue to play/start as a PG. He has no 3ball either so we can't even play him as a SG :lol

We absolutely jumped the gun giving him that contract. But our front office has been woeful for years now.

[Dejounte]

We absolutely jumped the gun giving him that contract. But our front office has been woeful for years now.

Its not a terrible contract for someone who will average 11 ppg, 6rpg, 4 apg at his worst.

A comparable contract is Eric Bledsoe who earns roughly the same and hes averaging 16 ppg, 5rpg, 5 apg.

[Dejounte]

Another comparable contract... Eric Gordon. Averaging 15 ppg, 2rpg, 2apg

[KobesAchilles]

Its not a terrible contract for someone who will average 11 ppg, 6rpg, 4 apg at his worst.

A comparable contract is Eric Bledsoe who earns roughly the same and hes averaging 16 ppg, 5rpg, 5 apg.
Except Eric Gordon can actually hit a 3 at a high clip. DJ lack of jumper (along with DDR) is the reason why Pop starts Forbes. Eric Gordon would improve the Spurs so much.

[daslicer]

Its not a terrible contract for someone who will average 11 ppg, 6rpg, 4 apg at his worst.

A comparable contract is Eric Bledsoe who earns roughly the same and hes averaging 16 ppg, 5rpg, 5 apg.

In this era the market for a guy who scores around 11 points a game tends to be around 10-15 mil. So Dejounte pretty much got paid what the market dictated. In today's market he's not overpaid.

[Dejounte]

Except Eric Gordon can actually hit a 3 at a high clip. DJ lack of jumper (along with DDR) is the reason why Pop starts Forbes. Eric Gordon would improve the Spurs so much.

Yes, great for Eric Gordon and great for what kind of fit he would be for this team. I'm merely saying his contract isn't terrible and that it's basically the same pay as players with stats comparable to his (and that's at Dejounte's WORST). He's not overpaid.

[Trainwreck2100]

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WOW spurs don't pay their on air talent, dude is doing it from his living room with a crap webcam and the millionaire can't even build out a home studio in his mansion to do the Post/Pre game show. WOW, FSSW or Spurs Sports and Entertainment cut off couple of nickles to get these guys decent lighting sound and Cams. If you're average twitch streamer can do it so should SSE. Who eve is the AV/Social Media guy is STEALING from the spurs. Guy in Living room on WIFI and a guy in his car on 4g......

FSSW is now owned by Sinclair Media, besides being pieces of shit, they're also cheap pieces of shit

[KobesAchilles]

Yes, great for Eric Gordon and great for what kind of fit he would be for this team. I'm merely saying his contract isn't terrible and that it's basically the same pay as players with stats comparable to his (and that's at Dejounte's WORST). He's not overpaid.
Except he is overpaid. The Spurs took a gamble last offseason and they lost (again). They expected DJ to take the next step. He isn't capable of taking that step. Nobody this year would offer DJ a 4 year $64 miilion contract. Nothing about his play this year shows that he is worth that. There's excuses to be made by his player fans and followers on IG, but the Spurs could've signed him much cheaper had they waited a year. Something like 4 year $44-48 million

[Dejounte]

Except he is overpaid. The Spurs took a gamble last offseason and they lost (again). They expected DJ to take the next step. He isn't capable of taking that step. Nobody this year would offer DJ a 4 year $64 miilion contract. Nothing about his play this year shows that he is worth that. There's excuses to be made by his player fans and followers on IG, but the Spurs could've signed him much cheaper had they waited a year. Something like 4 year $44-48 million

Sigh...
Saying he isnt capable of taking the next step is an opinion, not a fact.

Saying that nobody this year would offer the same contract is an opinion, not a fact.

Saying that his contract is comparable to numerous other players with the same stats is a fact, not an opinion. When there are other players with the same contract, it does not mean DJ and all the other players are overpaid.... It means the opposite. It means what daslicer said earlier, he's being paid market value.

Look man, I know youve been disappointed with the Spurs for their failures for the past few years.... Theres no reason to hunt down any post that does NOT say anything negative about one single thing they have done and try to twist into something bad they did. This is clouding your judgment and your logic. Im simply stating a fact.

Can you imagine what kind of hell hole this forum would be if everyone had the same mindset as you? If everyone agreed about the same thing? And when one states a fact, he gets blasted for it? Like come on, man...

[TimDunkem]

KJ, White, and LW4 are all already better than DJ tbh

[KobesAchilles]

Sigh...
Saying he isnt capable of taking the next step is an opinion, not a fact.

Saying that nobody this year would offer the same contract is an opinion, not a fact.

Saying that his contract is comparable to numerous other players with the same stats is a fact, not an opinion. When there are other players with the same contract, it does not mean DJ and all the other players are overpaid.... It means the opposite. It means what daslicer said earlier, he's being paid market value.

Look man, I know youve been disappointed with the Spurs for their failures for the past few years.... Theres no reason to hunt down any post that does NOT say anything negative about one single thing they have done and try to twist into something bad they did. This is clouding your judgment and your logic. Im simply stating a fact.

Can you imagine what kind of hell hole this forum would be if everyone had the same mindset as you? If everyone agreed about the same thing? And when one states a fact, he gets blasted for it? Like come on, man...
I mean your comp was about someone averaging 5 points more a game and shooting at a much better clip and somehow averaging more assists than DJ while playing with ball hogs like Westbrook and Harden. **edit** I just saw Gordons shitty stats for the year. Dude had a horrific injury plagued year. But his previous one was better and I think that's what you were referencing.

The cap is going down this year.That's a "fact" as you would say. Teams don't have as much money to spend this offseason. Another fact. Dejounte has shown zero area of improvement except for elbow jumpers. That's also a fact. His dribbling hasn't gotten to an NBA starting PG level. Another fact. He can't space the floor. Another fact. His defense slipped this year because he was gambling way too much. Another fact. He has shown no ability to run a half court offense. Another fact. Name the team the Spurs would be competing against to sign Murray. The market was at an all time high last season, another fact. It will be much lower this offseason and had the Spurs waited, they would've gotten him on a cheaper contract. Not that hard a concept to understand brah

[TimDunkem]

I mean your comp was about someone averaging 5 points more a game and shooting at a much better clip and somehow averaging more assists than DJ while playing with ball hogs like Westbrook and Harden. **edit** I just saw Gordons shitty stats for the year. Dude had a horrific injury plagued year. But his previous one was better and I think that's what you were referencing.

The cap is going down this year.That's a "fact" as you would say. Teams don't have as much money to spend this offseason. Another fact. Dejounte has shown zero area of improvement except for elbow jumpers. That's also a fact. His dribbling hasn't gotten to an NBA starting PG level. Another fact. He can't space the floor. Another fact. His defense slipped this year because he was gambling way too much. Another fact. He has shown no ability to run a half court offense. Another fact. Name the team the Spurs would be competing against to sign Murray. The market was at an all time high last season, another fact. It will be much lower this offseason and had the Spurs waited, they would've gotten him on a cheaper contract. Not that hard a concept to understand brah

Am I wrong in saying KJ, White, LW4 are all better (or at least impact winning more) than DJ right now? Even if you take away the ACL year he still is on the same timeline as White and he still stinks.

[Chinook]

Am I wrong in saying KJ, White, LW4 are all better (or at least impact winning more) than DJ right now? Even if you take away the ACL year he still is on the same timeline as White and he still stinks.

I don't think that's fair. You're only comparing them at their best to Murray's average. There were a number of games where Murray played like a star where the others were passive. Well, Johnson wasn't passive, but he was racking a streak of missed threes in Austin. Murray still has good potential, and I could certainly see him succeeding on another franchise as a guard version of Draymond.

What I think is fair is to say that White, Walker and Johnson fit well together and adding to that trio is the team's best chance at making their roster work in the near future. They also fit well enough with Aldridge, so the Spurs could easily make the playoffs again next year if they cut the fat from the roster and get lucky enough to draft a PF that Pop will actually play.

Murray's game doesn't match his ego or desired role, but his game is still there. He's not a huge negative like Metu. But it's possible that it can't work in SA because DJM was anointed the face of the franchise really early and can go from that to bench player without it causing major upheaval. But like under LeBron or with Curry, I think he'd be comfortable enough stepping down into the role his skill-set is actually suited for.

[KobesAchilles]

Am I wrong in saying KJ, White, LW4 are all better (or at least impact winning more) than DJ right now? Even if you take away the ACL year he still is on the same timeline as White and he still stinks.
No you're not wrong. Look I'm all for giving guys time and not to hate on the youth movement. I want the young guys to succeed because I'm a fan of the team. I'm the one person who wasn't mad at Kawhi for leaving and I wasn't mad about the Spurs trading for Demar. It was a shitty scenario that caught us completely off guard. BUT our responses after Kawhi left have been a shitshow. We are acting more like the Timberwolves instead of the Spurs. We lost ALOT of talent and people here don't seem to recognize that. We lost all of our assistant coaches (including the guy who worked exclusively with Kawhi to help him improve). We lost our GM of choice in Marks and replaced him with a guy who has no real experience and really not that much time to mold him. We lost Pop once his wife died. He's there but he isn't at the same time. And Peter Holt gave the team to his wife who gave it to their spoiled snot nosed kids with no experience of running a damn basketball franchise.

We are at a critical point in our franchise. We need to access our talent. See what we have and don't have. And this whole year was a waste of time in regarding the youth. Dejounte isn't being used properly. He's being asked to be the leader of the defense and constantly cover for Forbes. He's being asked to play slow ball for Gay, DDR, and LMA. We aren't running him enough and he isn't playing any minutes with the young guys who we assume are our future. These are good excuse for him. But from what I see, he isn't needed on the team. He can't shoot, dribble, or create. He could get better, but us paying him $16 million a year on the hope that he does get better seems pretty stupid.

I mean guaranteeing LMA's contract. Re-signing Rudy Gay. Getting rid of Bertans instead of Forbes. Playing Forbes at all nevermind starting him. The Carroll situation. Not knowing who the lead assistant coach is on your own damn team. These are things usually done by shitty front offices who have zero experience in winning rather than PATFO. It's time to trim the fat and cut the dead weight. Trade Demar and Murray. Draft anything other than a SG. Don't play Gay. Don't re-sign Marco or Bryn. Force Pop out. Sign actual assistant coaches who know what the hell they are doing. Redesign the entire offense to fit the youth rather than the old. We aren't going to win many games doing this but living in 11th pick territory for the next couple of years would be the worst thing the Spurs could do imo

[SpurSpike]

I mean your comp was about someone averaging 5 points more a game and shooting at a much better clip and somehow averaging more assists than DJ while playing with ball hogs like Westbrook and Harden. **edit** I just saw Gordons shitty stats for the year. Dude had a horrific injury plagued year. But his previous one was better and I think that's what you were referencing.

The cap is going down this year.That's a "fact" as you would say. Teams don't have as much money to spend this offseason. Another fact. Dejounte has shown zero area of improvement except for elbow jumpers. That's also a fact. His dribbling hasn't gotten to an NBA starting PG level. Another fact. He can't space the floor. Another fact. His defense slipped this year because he was gambling way too much. Another fact. He has shown no ability to run a half court offense. Another fact. Name the team the Spurs would be competing against to sign Murray. The market was at an all time high last season, another fact. It will be much lower this offseason and had the Spurs waited, they would've gotten him on a cheaper contract. Not that hard a concept to understand brah

Why are people saying DJM cant shoot 3's? He is above league average and his shot has improved a lot. He may have a slow shot when it comes to the 3 ball but i think he can develop that, you gotta start somewhere and he has shown he has the drive to get better.

Also he got his contract before COVID-19 hit, no one knew the cap was going to shrink at that time. It was smart to lock him down even if he is slightly overpaid. You can always use him in a trade, he has value being young and has started to gain recognition in the league as a defensive point guard.

[KobesAchilles]

Why are people saying DJM cant shoot 3's? He is above league average and his shot has improved a lot. He may have a slow shot when it comes to the 3 ball but i think he can develop that, you gotta start somewhere and he has shown he has the drive to get better.

Also he got his contract before COVID-19 hit, no one knew the cap was going to shrink at that time. It was smart to lock him down even if he is slightly overpaid. You can always use him in a trade, he has value being young and has started to gain recognition in the league as a defensive point guard.
He was coming off a serious injury. The Spurs bet that he would have a strong comeback year and in turn earn a huge payday from them later down the road, so they decided to "get-ahead" and offer him a contract. The thing is that he didn't have a huge bounce back year so they lost the gamble and could've signed him cheaper this year.

Also he averages .6 made threes a game. I think we played 63 games and .6 of 63 is something like 35 made threes for the whole season. It doesn't really matter what the heck his percentage is when he only made 35 all year. Brooke Lopez has made more 3s for example.

[TimDunkem]

I don't think that's fair. You're only comparing them at their best to Murray's average. There were a number of games where Murray played like a star where the others were passive. Well, Johnson wasn't passive, but he was racking a streak of missed threes in Austin. Murray still has good potential, and I could certainly see him succeeding on another franchise as a guard version of Draymond.

What I think is fair is to say that White, Walker and Johnson fit well together and adding to that trio is the team's best chance at making their roster work in the near future. They also fit well enough with Aldridge, so the Spurs could easily make the playoffs again next year if they cut the fat from the roster and get lucky enough to draft a PF that Pop will actually play.

Murray's game doesn't match his ego or desired role, but his game is still there. He's not a huge negative like Metu. But it's possible that it can't work in SA because DJM was anointed the face of the franchise really early and can go from that to bench player without it causing major upheaval. But like under LeBron or with Curry, I think he'd be comfortable enough stepping down into the role his skill-set is actually suited for.

Again, I think we end up at the same place here. In an ideal world, Murray would fit seamlessly. The reality isn't looking that way though. He's the odd man out. At least at the moment.

[SAGirl]

I think eventually (in a future that is not immediate, maybe not until the offseason after this one) they will have to decide who among White/Murray to keep. I think White is right now the better player, but there's really a tiny sample size of all 4 youngins together and frankly I prefer to trim the fat before talking about deciding between one of White and Murray. For once I am excited to see what White/Murray/Walker/Johnson can do for the team. I'd like to see them in different lineups and combinations next season and get a bigger sample to judge, maybe even with a more complimentary supporting cast? One can hope. Hopefully as Chinook says, the Spurs draft a forward/big that Pop will actually play or they trade for one.

Also agree with KobesAchilles that much of this season was wasted playing too much Bryn and veterans that have no future with the team and that the team tried to trade. (Does Bryn have a future with the team? Say it isn't so.)

For now, I am enjoying watching the young Spurs and I look forward to how they can develop as a team next season.

I'll agree with the general consensus though, that in a small sample size, Murray has looked like the least offensively talented of them all. He's athletic, has size and good defensive/rebounding stats, but offensively I think the other 3 have more potential with the ball, whether that be scoring for themselves or creating for others than Murray has shown. I can't say where this is heading, maybe Murray ends up getting traded for someone the team needs. That is fine. He needs to play well and succeed to be the asset that nets you whoever that is. Because right now, maybe White is looking like that asset instead.

As for why I think eventually they will need to make up their minds, its basically based on the assumption that Walker and Johnson also develop to warrant offensive possessions and bigger roles, etc. Their future looks really bright right now, maybe being a prisoner of the moment but that's okay for fans, and frankly it's been a while since I was that, maybe not since Murray was drafted (and I do see the irony there. I was really high on him).

Bottom line, keep Murray and continue to develop the youth, but have an eye out for potential trades to fill out holes in the team.

[Larry O]

When Murray was drafted & came to the team, I remember that there was all of this hype about him (and especially him hpyping his own self, SMH), and he had shown some flashes of possibilities. Of coarse, he had to stay in TP9's shadow for a while & then the ACL tear happened. He's definitely a good defender, although, I think White may be better by means that he is more aggressive; seems to have developed a defensive knack I his own right & he sacrifices his body. White also seems to be the better PG as well. Murray has handles issues, especially when he gets into the crowded paint with the ball. His shooting, including the 3-ball, is streaky. Could his inconsistencies be a mental thing with his post ACL injury, and that has also cause him to loose time with his development? Or perhaps DJ should be a SG instead of a PG? But as the NBA seems to be going "positionless," pairing White with Murray at the same time, I believe will work well for the team, as they build chemistry. DJ, of coarse, still needs to continue to work on his shooting, dribbling & playmaking. He's even said that he was also going to take the reigns as the team's key leader, on the floor & off. Hmmm... I'm not sure who is the clear player leader of this team right now. Is it DJ, LMA, Mills, DeRozan, White? But hopefully DJ will continue to gain confidence & grow as a basketball player & as a man, throughout his career & in life.

[TD 21]

I think eventually (in a future that is not immediate, maybe not until the offseason after this one) they will have to decide who among White/Murray to keep.

I always thought this would be the case, suspect a verdict is rendered this off season and that it'll be White due to his age, malleability (likely superior trade value) and the fact that they anointed Murray early and have already extended him.

I never bought the "back court of the future" talk. Of course, given the situation of this team, they should be playing significantly more together, but they're not actually a good fit offensively.

They'd either have to luck into one of two rare archetypes to build an average - above average without a dynamic/explosive guard: a do it all big wing or point center. Good luck with that.

[gambit1990]

i would be in no rush to trade murray.

packaging him with demar could lead to some interesting offers though...

[BackHome]

I agree the Spurs take risk with draft picks picking more for possible upside then current production they need to take the same risks with trades. I think DEROZZ trade with Murray could net us a very good player PF or SF or good player with a draft pick.

[poopbox]

I don't understand the hand ringing over Dejounte cause I do not know of a point guard in the nba playing with a worst collection of nba skill around him than dejounte is...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to pass the ball to a cutting Bryn Forbes for an easy basket because Forbes doesn't cut to the basket...he just hovers around the 3 point line...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a fast break and then pass it out to wide open Derozan for 3 because Derozan doesn't shoot 3's...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a pick and pop with Poeltl because Poeltl doesn't shoot anything that is not a 5 foot pop a shot or a dunk...and any pass Dejounte does throw has to be picture perfect cause if you put any traffic around Poeltl he gets stone hands...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to hit Lamarcus cutting to the basket because he doesn't do that...he is not really going to get any assist with Lamarcus because whenever he does get it in the post he pounds it forever...the only way Dejounte can get any assist out of LMA is when LMA is in straight pussy mode and won't play in the post at all and does nothing but pick and pop...

Then...who is setting up Dejounte to score when he doesn't have the ball ? Not LMA he is arguably the worst passing big I have ever seen... not Poeltl I don't think i have seen him have the ball in his hands longer than 4 seconds since he got here...not Forbes who is also an awful passer...Demar can when he is not looking to call his own number and pad his own stats, which is most of the time...

So Dejounte is playing with a guard who never goes to the rim, another guard who never shoots 3, one of the most if not THE most plodding big man in the nba, and a center who has no offensive game outside of dunking the ball...how is he supposed to help these guys score and exactly what are they doing to help him score ?

John Stockton couldn't run a pick and roll with the bigs on our team cause they either don't role to the basket ( LMA ) or have stone hand (Poeltl)

[ragas]

I don't understand the hand ringing over Dejounte cause I do not know of a point guard in the nba playing with a worst collection of nba skill around him than dejounte is...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to pass the ball to a cutting Bryn Forbes for an easy basket because Forbes doesn't cut to the basket...he just hovers around the 3 point line...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a fast break and then pass it out to wide open Derozan for 3 because Derozan doesn't shoot 3's...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a pick and pop with Poeltl because Poeltl doesn't shoot anything that is not a 5 foot pop a shot or a dunk...and any pass Dejounte does throw has to be picture perfect cause if you put any traffic around Poeltl he gets stone hands...

Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to hit Lamarcus cutting to the basket because he doesn't do that...he is not really going to get any assist with Lamarcus because whenever he does get it in the post he pounds it forever...the only way Dejounte can get any assist out of LMA is when LMA is in straight pussy mode and won't play in the post at all and does nothing but pick and pop...

Then...who is setting up Dejounte to score when he doesn't have the ball ? Not LMA he is arguably the worst passing big I have ever seen... not Poeltl I don't think i have seen him have the ball in his hands longer than 4 seconds since he got here...not Forbes who is also an awful passer...Demar can when he is not looking to call his own number and pad his own stats, which is most of the time...

So Dejounte is playing with a guard who never goes to the rim, another guard who never shoots 3, one of the most if not THE most plodding big man in the nba, and a center who has no offensive game outside of dunking the ball...how is he supposed to help these guys score and exactly what are they doing to help him score ?

John Stockton couldn't run a pick and roll with the bigs on our team cause they either don't role to the basket ( LMA ) or have stone hand (Poeltl)

omg. pick & roll with Poeltl works well for White & Lonnie. Toronto guards like Lowry & Van Fleet had no problem as well. Dejounte has no court vision. Instead of passing the damn ball he runs in the defenders at least 3 times a game, because he also is missing the ballhandling skills you need as a point guard. Spurs better trade him as long as anybody thinks he is on a good contract. Be serious: He‘s a backup at best at the moment. If he improves his shot he has some worth, but he will never be a point guard.

[EasyMoney]

Don't know why people are criticizing dejounte for being a poor point guard. He isn't one. He was drafted as a scoring guard and pop is attempting to mold him into something he isn't. Dejounte ceiling is Jamal Crawford with defense

[Chinook]

Don't know why people are criticizing dejounte for being a poor point guard. He isn't one. He was drafted as a scoring guard and pop is attempting to mold him into something he isn't. Dejounte ceiling is Jamal Crawford with defense

Yeah, no. None of that.

[Leetonidas]

DeJounte Murray is nothing like Jamal Crawford :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

It’s been like 4 years and Murray still hasn’t shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting

[Shakril]

It’s been like 4 years and Murray still hasn’t shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting

Murray had a horrible injury last year. This year is his first year back. It takes 2 Years to recover. Lets see next year.

[Shakril]

It’s been like 4 years and Murray still hasn’t shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting

Murray had a horrible injury last year. This year is his first year back. It takes 2 Years to recover. Lets see next year.

[TimDunkem]

Murray had a horrible injury last year. This year is his first year back. It takes 2 Years to recover. Lets see next year.
No it doesn't take that long anymore. Nurkic's leg snapped in half and he's already back killing scrubs.

[weeks]

No it doesn't take that long anymore. Nurkic's leg snapped in half and he's already back killing scrubs.
pretty sure acl's are worse than a fracture. but idk

[TimDunkem]

pretty sure acl's are worse than a fracture. but idk

It's logical, but nonetheless guys are coming back sooner than ever from injuries that have historically sidelined or ended guys careers'.

How much time does DJ need to prove he's a competent PG?

[offset formation]

It’s been like 4 years and Murray still hasn’t shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting

Come on man. That's horribly out of context. He played sparingly his first year, less than half the season as I remember. Played himself into a 2nd team all defensive team the second year and averaged about 9pts. Missed **all** of last year and was brought back *very* slowly this year for the first 1/3 of a shortened season. In many ways, you could consider this like his 2nd year, but no more than his 3rd, clearly. He was coming off a devastating injury and not allowed to showcase anything until about the last 25 games. He did have a really nice stretch offensively and his midrange game started to show some positive progress. His scoring was starting to be more consistent.

Point is, writing him off at this point is not only unfair but ignorant.

Also, don't we Spursfans need to be showing some loyalty and full support to players who are bought in to the Spurs like he is? He'll be fine. He just needs a bit of time to gel with these guys.

If there is any knock on him it's that his defense has seemingly dropped off some as he's worked on his offensive game. Also if possible he seems to care too much so that he gets upset at not making enough progress so he seems rough on himself at times.

[Dejounte]

Come on man. That's horribly out of context. He played sparingly his first year, less than half the season as I remember. Played himself into a 2nd team all defensive team the second year and averaged about 9pts. Missed **all** of last year and was brought back *very* slowly this year for the first 1/3 of a shortened season. In many ways, you could consider this like his 2nd year, but no more than his 3rd, clearly. He was coming off a devastating injury and not allowed to showcase anything until about the last 25 games. He did have a really nice stretch offensively and his midrange game started to show some positive progress. His scoring was starting to be more consistent.

Point is, writing him off at this point is not only unfair but ignorant.

Also, don't we Spursfans need to be showing some loyalty and full support to players who are bought in to the Spurs like he is? He'll be fine. He just needs a bit of time to gel with these guys.

If there is any knock on him it's that his defense has seemingly dropped off some as he's worked on his offensive game. Also if possible he seems to care too much so that he gets upset at not making enough progress so he seems rough on himself at times.

Its more "fun" for people to trash their own team and get a reaction from others. Its an orgasm for some of these people.

[GAustex]

Murray has not shown any aptitude in being able to be a decision making point guard.
White hugely outperforms him in this aspect.
I think Murray not smart enough.
He needs to be a 2 guard and I would not hesitate to get back something good for him in a trade

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Still don’t understand why Poop is trying to make him a PG he should have been a SG from day one.

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Still don’t understand why Poop is trying to make him a PG he should have been a SG from day one.

Does he strike you as a 2, SG?

He's far, far more effective with the ball in his hands. And his midrange game has shown marked improvement. Hell, in time he might be OK as a SG because he started hitting some 3s later in the season before it was suspended. But pitting him in that spot now handicaps his development.