View Full Version : Trump has failed us: USA economy collapses by 33% in Q2. Millions more unemployes
hater
07-30-2020, 07:56 AM
:wow
https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1288817492794716160?s=19
hater
07-30-2020, 07:58 AM
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288816911480954880?s=19
hater
07-30-2020, 07:58 AM
Didnt trumps economic advisor just say we are in the middle of a V shaped economic bullish run? :lmao
hater
07-30-2020, 08:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1288816855092736000?s=19
:lmao trump
:lmao This is the nail in the coffin for orangeturd.
No wonder he's up early in the morning talking about delaying the election. :lmao
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 08:11 AM
:lmao This is the nail in the coffin for orangeturd.
No wonder he's up early in the morning talking about delaying the election. :lmao
Trump successfully delaying the election/trying to invalidate the results would more or less be the cherry on top of the banana republic sundae. He’s clearly gunning for it at this point, can’t wait to see how his supporters justify it.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 08:21 AM
Trump successfully delaying the election/trying to invalidate the results would more or less be the cherry on top of the banana republic sundae. He’s clearly gunning for it at this point, can’t wait to see how his supporters justify it.
They justify him killing 180k Americans, they'd have no problem justifying him canceling the election.
Brazil
07-30-2020, 08:30 AM
Trump successfully delaying the election/trying to invalidate the results would more or less be the cherry on top of the banana republic sundae. He’s clearly gunning for it at this point, can’t wait to see how his supporters justify it.
is that a real thing ? an attempt to delay the election ?
is that a real thing ? an attempt to delay the election ?
He saw it in House of Cards and thought he'd give it a good try.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 08:36 AM
is that a real thing ? an attempt to delay the election ?
His tweet this morning said we should delay the election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/biden-says-he-thinks-trump-will-try-delay-november-election-n1191506
For a walking corpse, Biden seems fairly aware of shit going on around him. First he makes an OP ED about not being ready for a pandemic last year and then this.
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 08:46 AM
Americans STILL trust the Repugs more on economy! :lol
weebo
07-30-2020, 09:12 AM
The economy shrank at a 32.9% annualized rate in the last quarter and there were 1.4 million new unemployment claims as a result of the Trump Virus.
Play Boban
07-30-2020, 09:14 AM
:wow
https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1288817492794716160?s=19
Beat expectations by over 2%. A win I would say!!! :elephant
tholdren
07-30-2020, 09:28 AM
I can't believe this only happened in America and not the entire world.
Lockdowns don't work and this is the proof
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 09:33 AM
Americans STILL trust the Repugs more on economy! :lol
It’s a messaging thing the Dems need to be better at. Republicans call themselves “the party that knows BUSINESS!” and people fall for it. The Dems need to come up with branding for themselves to counter it.
That being said, when the last two Republican presidents send the country into a recession, you’d expect people to wake up.
tholdren
07-30-2020, 09:36 AM
It’s a messaging thing the Dems need to be better at. Republicans call themselves “the party that knows BUSINESS!” and people fall for it. The Dems need to come up with branding for themselves to counter it.
That being said, when the last two Republican presidents send the country into a recession, you’d expect people to wake up.
lolololopoloolollll
Brazil
07-30-2020, 09:38 AM
His tweet this morning said we should delay the election.
Holy shit :lol
I can't believe this only happened in America and not the entire world.
Lockdowns don't work and this is the proof
What lockdown? Most southern States didn't bother to close at all and are getting ass raped for it.
tholdren
07-30-2020, 09:51 AM
What lockdown? Most southern States didn't bother to close at all and are getting ass raped for it.
This is false. Almost all states, hello South Dakota, locked down.
Trainwreck2100
07-30-2020, 09:53 AM
July jobs numbers gonna be real interesting, last months numbers were before the memorial day spike
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 10:10 AM
July jobs numbers gonna be real interesting, last months numbers were before the memorial day spike
If it’s any indication apartment rent collections (as a %) are down in July. Imo were going to have an even bigger crisis on our hands once landlords are evicting tenants left and right.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 10:16 AM
His tweet this morning said we should delay the election.It would be very unfair to Trump to hold an election while the economy is getting hammered so hard.
After three years of taking credit for economic conditions and counting on them to carry him across the finish line in November, that's gotta sting.
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 10:17 AM
July jobs numbers gonna be real interesting, last months numbers were before the memorial day spike
increased again from last week, 1.4M+ new claims
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 10:17 AM
It would be very unfair to Trump to hold an election while the economy is getting hammered so hard.
After three years of taking credit for economic conditions and counting on them to carry him across the finish line in November, that's gotta sting.
Thank god the Dems retook the house in 2018, otherwise I have no doubt the GOP would pass a law delaying the election to keep itself in power.
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 10:19 AM
30M unemployed, and Repugs, having enriched their BigDonor class with CARES, say to The People: FUCK YOU
Moscow Mitch already said the Repug Senators are against any more stimulus.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 10:24 AM
Thank god the Dems retook the house in 2018, otherwise I have no doubt the GOP would pass a law delaying the election to keep itself in power.Perhaps they'll find another way. Barr wouldn't answer when asked if he thought the President has the power to move the election.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 10:31 AM
Jonathan Turley both sides-ing, it's the motif of excusing whatever jackassed thing DJT says because he's incompetent and doesn't know what he's talking about.
1288848340709408768
hater
07-30-2020, 10:40 AM
Holy shit :lol
Yup :lol
Trump attempting the old Bolivian Junta strategy now :lol
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 10:48 AM
If it’s any indication apartment rent collections (as a %) are down in July. Imo were going to have an even bigger crisis on our hands once landlords are evicting tenants left and right.
Hence Trump building up his Schutzstaffel, knowing this is the kind of shit that gets governments overthrown.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 10:51 AM
Hence Trump building up his Schutzstaffel, knowing this is the kind of shit that gets governments overthrown.
At this point I’m convinced the only way we get real change in this country is with blood on the streets and rich people fearing for their lives, and millions of people getting evicted with no safety net to turn to is a big step in that direction.
hater
07-30-2020, 10:55 AM
At this point I’m convinced the only way we get real change in this country is with blood on the streets and rich people fearing for their lives, and millions of people getting evicted with no safety net to turn to is a big step in that direction.
Except the only blood on the streets will be the comkon folks
You really think any uber rich would run any risk if an all out civil war breaks? :lol
Just look at the covid crisis. Uber rich can easily get a test and treatment. Common folk at this moment cannot get tests much less treatment.
I know cause my bro in law got his surgery postponed yesterday because theres no covid tests available
hater
07-30-2020, 10:56 AM
The only scenario where US rich would be at risk is if both true liberals and trumptards unite to overthrow establishment.
That will never happen.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 11:03 AM
At this point I’m convinced the only way we get real change in this country is with blood on the streets and rich people fearing for their lives, and millions of people getting evicted with no safety net to turn to is a big step in that direction.
Hopefully the military goes against Trump's SS if we get there. Which isn't much of a stretch when you look at 1/3 of renters/homeowners with a mortgage being in danger of eviction. If we're ever going to see a revolution happen, it's going to be in the next 3 months or so.
TimDunkem
07-30-2020, 11:05 AM
Except the only blood on the streets will be the comkon folks
You really think any uber rich would run any risk if an all out civil war breaks? :lol
Just look at the covid crisis. Uber rich can easily get a test and treatment. Common folk at this moment cannot get tests much less treatment.
I know cause my bro in law got his surgery postponed yesterday because theres no covid tests available
Or they just leave. Look at NYC this past Spring. Manhattan was a ghost town while neighborhoods in Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx were inundated with Covid.
hater
07-30-2020, 11:07 AM
Or they just leave. Look at NYC this past Spring. Manhattan was a ghost town while neighborhoods in Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx were inundated with Covid.
Bezos and many of his co billionaires have conveniently bought land and citizenships in New Zealand. Interesting this happened around 2017. Did they know something we didnt?
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:08 AM
At this point I’m convinced the only way we get real change in this country is with blood on the streets and rich people fearing for their lives, and millions of people getting evicted with no safety net to turn to is a big step in that direction.It's a foreseeable problem, I sure hope the US Congress does something to avert another epic self-wounding.
It still kinda surprises me that neither major party wants to Santa Claus it up and shovel money out the door to keep tens of millions of jobless people housed and fed during a depression/pandemic. It's absolutely the smart thing for the USG to replace lost demand by giving people money and it gooses the economy too.
You guys sound like you are celebrating the drop. You do realize that it beat the expectations.
Miami Dade has decided to (outsource) and go all virtual. They should refund the money for each student so that parents can choose to send their kids to whatever private schools are open. One could pay for this virtual school by yourself and have left over to spend on extra tutoring, resources, etc. Instead, what are the teachers going to be doing - sitting on their butts after taking attendance.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:11 AM
The CARES ACT was the best official act of Trump's first term. Team Trump should build on that foundation rather than shrinking it.
TimDunkem
07-30-2020, 11:12 AM
^^ RMT with the most out of touch thing I've read on this forum in awhile, and that's saying something when guys like TSA/Chris/:lolldren/Darrin/Derp post here regularly.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:14 AM
^^ RMT with the most out of touch thing I've read on this forum in awhile, and that's saying something when guys like TSA/Chris/:lolldren/Darrin/Derp post here regularly.Poverty went down, 40 million people thrown out of work didn't get evicted. That's huge.
What's your beef?
spurraider21
07-30-2020, 11:15 AM
Poverty went down, 40 million people thrown out of work didn't get evicted. That's huge.
What's your beef?
you aren't RMT
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 11:16 AM
You guys sound like you are celebrating the drop. You do realize that it beat the expectations. .
A 33% reduction in the economy beats your expectations? God damn, it’s remarkable how Trumptards think Trump is going to set America on a path towards prosperity yet they have rock bottom expectations they measure him against.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 11:16 AM
You guys sound like you are celebrating the drop. You do realize that it beat the expectations.
Miami Dade has decided to (outsource) and go all virtual. They should refund the money for each student so that parents can choose to send their kids to whatever private schools are open. One could pay for this virtual school by yourself and have left over to spend on extra tutoring, resources, etc. Instead, what are the teachers going to be doing - sitting on their butts after taking attendance.
Those greedy teachers should all be willing to Herman Cain themselves
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:17 AM
^^ RMT with the most out of touch thing I've read on this forum in awhile, and that's saying something when guys like TSA/Chris/:lolldren/Darrin/Derp post here regularly.Btw, that's not a blanket endorsement of the CARES ACT, I've posted copiously elsewhere about the money firehose for big business and Wall Street.
The 2008-9 bailout looks like a garden hose compared to this one. This one is Niagara Falls.
TimDunkem
07-30-2020, 11:18 AM
A 33% reduction in the economy beats your expectations? God damn, it’s remarkable how Trumptards think Trump is going to set America on a path towards prosperity yet they have rock bottom expectations they measure him against.
And how did it beat the expectations? Was it from the 2 months of reopening that lead to hundreds of thousands of more infections? Time to celebrate, I guess?
TimDunkem
07-30-2020, 11:19 AM
Btw, that's not a blanket endorsement of the CARES ACT, I've posted copiously elsewhere about the money firehose for big business and Wall Street.
The 2008-9 bailout looks like a garden hose compared to this one. This one is Niagara Falls.I was talking to rmt; you replied seconds before I did.
The CARES act was the best thing this country has done in a long time. It's just a shame the people got crumbs while big businesses reaped most of the benefits.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:19 AM
you aren't RMTMy powers of reading failed me.:lol
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:20 AM
I was talking to rmt. The CARES act was the best thing this country has done in a long time. It's just a shame the people got crumbs while big businesses reaped most of the benefits.I agree. Sorry about the crossed wire.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 11:20 AM
If only Republicans had the same economic decline expectations for Obama that they have for Trump, he would have fucking obliterated them.
TimDunkem
07-30-2020, 11:20 AM
My powers of reading failed me.:lol
It's all good. With the amount of out of touch fucks we have on this forum, it's not surprising you thought someone else was poo-pooing it.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 11:22 AM
I was talking to rmt; you replied seconds before I did.
The CARES act was the best thing this country has done in a long time. It's just a shame the people got crumbs while big businesses reaped most of the benefits.
It's pretty sad that breadcrumbs to the people to get caviar to the corporations legitimately is the best thing Trump has done in his term.
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 11:22 AM
It still kinda surprises me that either major party wants to Santa Claus it up and shovel money out the door to keep tens of millions of jobless people housed and fed during a depression/pandemic.
wrong, see the Dems' HEROES Act, which Moscow Mitch killed
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:28 AM
wrong, see the Dems' HEROES Act, which Moscow Mitch killedsee what, now?
TXstbobcat
07-30-2020, 11:32 AM
His tweet this morning said we should delay the election.
congress and the senate would have vote on moving election. 0% chance of that happening.
hater
07-30-2020, 11:35 AM
congress and the senate would have vote on moving election. 0% chance of that happening.
Thats good. No reason to delay election for a tiny flu
But u sure he cant do some presidential emergency law similar to disater/war acts?
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:35 AM
Yup :lol
Trump attempting the old Bolivian Junta strategy now :lolDemagoguing the electoral process leading up to the election and unleashing federal stormtroopers to crack down on "Democrat run" cities and states. The resemblance might be more than skin deep.
TXstbobcat
07-30-2020, 11:43 AM
Thats good. No reason to delay election for a tiny flu
But u sure he cant do some presidential emergency law similar to disater/war acts?
from what I have read so far Trump doesn't have the power to move it.
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:47 AM
from what I have read so far Trump doesn't have the power to move it.Trump's not much on Constitutional niceties, but you're right. It's clearly spelled out in Article II that the US Congress sets the date.
A 33% reduction in the economy beats your expectations? God damn, it’s remarkable how Trumptards think Trump is going to set America on a path towards prosperity yet they have rock bottom expectations they measure him against.
It's not MY expectations - it's right there in that Amy Siskind tweet (which I don't know how to copy).
US second quarter GDP plunged by a record 32.9% vs 34.7% expected...
Economists surveyed by Dow Jones were looking for a decline of 34.7%.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKi t.activity.PostToTwitter&__twitter_impression=true
Winehole23
07-30-2020, 11:50 AM
US second quarter GDP plunged by a record 32.9% vs 34.7% expected...break out the confetti
midnightpulp
07-30-2020, 11:51 AM
A 33% reduction in the economy beats your expectations? God damn, it’s remarkable how Trumptards think Trump is going to set America on a path towards prosperity yet they have rock bottom expectations they measure him against.
But they beat expectations by like 1.4%! Doesn't she know that's comfortably within the margin of error for a projection (CI's are usually like 95%).
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 11:52 AM
break out the confetti
:lmao
I suppose if it had not met expectations, you'd all be celebrating even more.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 12:01 PM
I suppose if it had not met expectations, you'd all be celebrating even more.
Oh yeah we're all happy Trump has trashed the economy. Great to see 1/3 of the country not able to make rent / mortgage and 155k official COVID deaths while all Trump cares about is defunding SS/Medicare and trying to take peoples' health insurance away.
midnightpulp
07-30-2020, 12:07 PM
At this point I’m convinced the only way we get real change in this country is with blood on the streets and rich people fearing for their lives, and millions of people getting evicted with no safety net to turn to is a big step in that direction.
And the issue is the average American has just enough material comfort where it's "not worth it" to foment any kind of revolution, violent, peaceful, or otherwise. Most Americans know they're getting screwed, but it's just not worth it to sacrifice what you have. "Yeah, I know I'm getting fucked. Life could be better, but life is pretty good and it could be worse." So yeah, your point is germane that it will take Americans losing that comfort in order to act. I don't see this as cowardice or anything, the risk/reward ratio just isn't large enough for your average American with a decent job, nice house, a couple of kids to risk it so we can force change.
Hopefully we'll figure it out. An elderly neighbor just passed away. Korean War vet. Worked all his life. Stacked medical bills of course and had to take out a reverse mortgage to pay the bills every month. So house is going to the bank. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos makes 2500 dollars a second. That's basically my litmus test for a fair society. A society that has enabled someone to make 2500 per second is also a society that can easily take care of its less fortunate and vulnerable. People shouldn't be rendered destitute via medical bills and have to take out fuckin' reverse mortgages in the same society that has produced 500 billionaires.
This is where the conservative platitude of "personal responsibility" enters the chat. "If people were just more responsible, they wouldn't have to take out reverse mortgages." Funny thing is the rich are some of the most irresponsible people on the planet with their money, but there's always a host of bailouts, subsidies, and tax cuts to cover for their bad investments and shortsighted risk taking.
spurraider21
07-30-2020, 12:11 PM
And the issue is the average American has just enough material comfort where it's "not worth it" to foment any kind of revolution, violent, peaceful, or otherwise. Most Americans know they're getting screwed, but it's just not worth it to sacrifice what you have. "Yeah, I know I'm getting fucked. Life could be better, but life is pretty good and it could be worse." So yeah, your point is germane that it will take Americans losing that comfort in order to act. I don't see this as cowardice or anything, the risk/reward ratio just isn't large enough for your average American with a decent job, nice house, a couple of kids to risk it so we can force change.
this is why i think social democracy is the best bet to salvage our overarching system, because disparity is only growing right now and could culminate in something a lot worse, that nobody wants to see. as you said, we aren't "there" yet but we are certainly creeping toward it. social democrat policies can bridge the gap somewhat without actually self-destructing our capitalist/market model
DarrinS
07-30-2020, 12:18 PM
The economy shrank at a 32.9% annualized rate in the last quarter and there were 1.4 million new unemployment claims as a result of the Trump Virus.
Does no one here know what annualized rate means? If this quarter's rate continued for a solid year, it would be nearly 33%.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 12:19 PM
And the issue is the average American has just enough material comfort where it's "not worth it" to foment any kind of revolution, violent, peaceful, or otherwise. Most Americans know they're getting screwed, but it's just not worth it to sacrifice what you have. "Yeah, I know I'm getting fucked. Life could be better, but life is pretty good and it could be worse." So yeah, your point is germane that it will take Americans losing that comfort in order to act. I don't see this as cowardice or anything, the risk/reward ratio just isn't large enough for your average American with a decent job, nice house, a couple of kids to risk it so we can force change.
That not worth it calculation could change pretty rapidly if there is say 25% homelessness.
It's not MY expectations - it's right there in that Amy Siskind tweet (which I don't know how to copy).
US second quarter GDP plunged by a record 32.9% vs 34.7% expected...
Economists surveyed by Dow Jones were looking for a decline of 34.7%.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKi t.activity.PostToTwitter&__twitter_impression=true
This is an odd thing to nitpick.
This is like bragging about not losing by 30 points because the last shot that went in was after the buzzer. You still lost by 28.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 12:24 PM
Does no one here know what annualized rate means? If this quarter's rate continued for a solid year, it would be nearly 33%.
Oh please, if we had the same decline in GDP during Obama’s term you’d be calling for his head.
midnightpulp
07-30-2020, 12:27 PM
Oh please, if we had the same decline in GDP during Obama’s term you’d be calling for his head.
Why have none of these dipshits in Washington created some kind of WPA program yet? I thought we needed a rehaul of our infrastructure? Create the program around that. We already have the proof of concept that it works.
Brazil
07-30-2020, 12:35 PM
Yup :lol
Trump attempting the old Bolivian Junta strategy now :lol
:lol what a time to be alive
DarrinS
07-30-2020, 12:35 PM
Oh please, if we had the same decline in GDP during Obama’s term you’d be calling for his head.
This quarter was 9.5% decline. Not 33%.
Still terrible.
This quarter was 9.5% decline. Not 33%.
Still terrible.
You still can’t wait to vote for Trump. Lol
Brazil
07-30-2020, 12:54 PM
This quarter was 9.5% decline. Not 33%.
Still terrible.
we understood it the first time bro :lol
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:03 PM
Close down everything (except BLM riots)
Economy suffers
koriwhat
07-30-2020, 02:07 PM
They justify him killing 180k Americans, they'd have no problem justifying him canceling the election.
got to love the narrative... china is squeeky clean!
right commie?
spurraider21
07-30-2020, 02:10 PM
got to love the narrative... china is squeeky clean!
right commie?
nope. china fucked up.
SnakeBoy
07-30-2020, 02:17 PM
At this point I’m convinced the only way we get real change in this country is with blood on the streets and rich people fearing for their lives, and millions of people getting evicted with no safety net to turn to is a big step in that direction.
I like the way you're thinking. Now get out there and cause some carnage in the deep blue districts.
CosmicCowboy
07-30-2020, 02:18 PM
Does no one here know what annualized rate means? If this quarter's rate continued for a solid year, it would be nearly 33%.
By comparison Germany's second quarter decline was 10.1% annualized at 40%. Covid sucks. It's a shitty choice between fucking up your economy or killing more people.
nope. china fucked up.
We fucked up harder.
Most countries that were hit by this pandemic are opened and for business.
Damn, we sure missed out on a competent president. This also proves that those articles about Trump letting Kasich run the country if he became his VP was just bullshit.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:22 PM
I like the way you're thinking. Now get out there and cause some carnage in the deep blue districts.
As midnightpulp already said my life is good enough to not do that, but if I was homeless I’d definitely be causing carnage.
spurraider21
07-30-2020, 02:25 PM
We fucked up harder.
Most countries that were hit by this pandemic are opened and for business.
Damn, we sure missed out on a competent president. This also proves that those articles about Trump letting Kasich run the country if he became his VP was just bullshit.
obviously we fucked up too :lol
im just marveling at koriwhat's kindergarten level thinking. he thinks its impossible for 2 countries to have both made mistakes. either we fucked up or china did YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:26 PM
We have 5% of the worlds population and over 20% of the world’s COVID deaths, while the countries that were hit by COVID in March/April when we were are back up and running. At this point we’ve fucked up a lot more than China has, we’ve had the worst death count AND the worst / longest lasting economic impact.
clambake
07-30-2020, 02:30 PM
Hey, this is what a government without leadership looks like.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:31 PM
We have 5% of the worlds population and over 20% of the world’s COVID deaths, while the countries that were hit by COVID in March/April when we were are back up and running. At this point we’ve fucked up a lot more than China has, we’ve had the worst death count AND the worst / longest lasting economic impact.
Those nations don't have protesters
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:31 PM
.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 02:33 PM
By comparison Germany's second quarter decline was 10.1% annualized at 40%. Covid sucks. It's a shitty choice between fucking up your economy or killing more people.
And we did both since there was no post lockdown strategy other than say it's going away soon.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:34 PM
Those nations don’t have protestors
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_outside_the_United_S tates
As usual, you’re a fucking mongoloid.
midnightpulp
07-30-2020, 02:34 PM
As midnightpulp already said my life is good enough to not do that, but if I was homeless I’d definitely be causing carnage.
I think the best thing for people who "are comfortable" to do is try to educate and encourage people to vote, especially the youth. If we're going to enact real change through the voting system, the youth will have initiate it and drag older people kicking and screaming into progressivism. The problem with older populations, even those as young as mid-20s, is that when you start achieving a bit of wealth and security, change to the economic system isn't necessarily in your best interest, so you hold your nose and vote for the tax break politicians or vote for status quo "liberals." You might morally understand you should be paying more in taxes to help those less fortunate, but you start viewing that tax break as more money you can put toward junior's college fund or the vacation the wife has been wanting to take for 10 years.
Long term, progressive economic policies will indeed help the middle and upper-middle classes, but most don't want to deal with the short pain of it, I think.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:36 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_outside_the_United_S tates
As usual, you’re a fucking mongoloid.
"About 100 people gathered at the centre of town for a solidarity meeting."
As usual, you're a negroids feet washer
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:38 PM
And we did both since there was no post lockdown strategy other than say it's going away soon.
We also to this day don’t have the contact tracing and testing infrastructure that Germany and South Korea had assembled in a matter of weeks. The fact we’re still waiting 7-10 days for test results should be the indictment on privatized healthcare that removes any doubt but it obviously won’t be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_outside_the_United_S tates
As usual, you’re a fucking mongoloid.
Hell, from memory alone I can recall, Germany and the UK taking to the streets when this was going on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Germany
Germany:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/BlackLivesMatter_protest_Alexanderplatz_Berlin_202 0-06-06_26.jpg/800px-BlackLivesMatter_protest_Alexanderplatz_Berlin_202 0-06-06_26.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom
UK:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Hyde_Park_London_protest_3.6 .20_-_end_of_march_in_Trafalgar_Square.jpg/800px-Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Hyde_Park_London_protest_3.6 .20_-_end_of_march_in_Trafalgar_Square.jpg
:lol
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:39 PM
"About 100 people gathered at the centre of town for a solidarity meeting."
As usual, you're a negroids feet washer
That page lists literally hundreds of protests across Europe, did you eat more paint chips than usual this morning?
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:42 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Hyde_Park_London_protest_3.6 .20_-_end_of_march_in_Trafalgar_Square.jpg/800px-Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Hyde_Park_London_protest_3.6 .20_-_end_of_march_in_Trafalgar_Square.jpg
:lol
UK and its half breeds
midnightpulp
07-30-2020, 02:43 PM
UK and its half breeds
Don't you want to make one with Candace Owens :lol?
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:43 PM
Hell, from memory alone I can recall, Germany and the UK taking to the streets when this was going on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Germany
Germany:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/BlackLivesMatter_protest_Alexanderplatz_Berlin_202 0-06-06_26.jpg/800px-BlackLivesMatter_protest_Alexanderplatz_Berlin_202 0-06-06_26.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom
UK:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Hyde_Park_London_protest_3.6 .20_-_end_of_march_in_Trafalgar_Square.jpg/800px-Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Hyde_Park_London_protest_3.6 .20_-_end_of_march_in_Trafalgar_Square.jpg
:lol
Good call, I should have posted pictures. Need to accommodate FrostKing’s limited Polak mental capacity.
clambake
07-30-2020, 02:45 PM
UK and its half breeds
Your fear is really showing.
Very telling.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:46 PM
Europe had a day of partying I mean protesting and then returned to work. Americans are still at it months later.
There is your difference.
UK and its half breeds
https://i.insider.com/5ed6c270f0f41922926c0735?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp
Run from this thread, just run bro. :lol
That moment when even Syria is getting in on it.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:48 PM
Your fear is really showing.
Very telling.
Do you fear rednecks?
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:49 PM
https://i.insider.com/5ed6c270f0f41922926c0735?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp
Run from this thread, just run bro. :lol
That moment when even Syria is getting in on it.
2 dudes sitting on a rock
"The Arabs are behind us!"
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 02:50 PM
...
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 02:50 PM
"If we're going to enact real change through the voting system,
the youth will have initiate it and drag older people kicking and screaming into progressivism."
campaigns and politicians are for sale. Who spends the most money, wins.
No hope from the Repug side
The Dem establishment is neo-liberal and center-right, with the power to block large numbers of progressives.
Token progressives like The Squad are sniffed at by the Dem establishment
Idealism is "fun", but realism says there's no fucking hope for progress in America
proof?
Dems take the WH and Congress, and almost nothing will happen to restore the damage from Trash, and from the Repugs since 2001.
The oligarchy simply has too much power from its ever-and-rapidly increasing wealth to be challenged, let alone defeated.
America is fucked and unfuckable
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:51 PM
Europe had a day of partying I mean protesting and then returned to work. Americans are still at it months later.
There is your difference.
You just said it didn’t have any protesters, now you’re saying it was just a little protesting. Which one is it? You’re just moving the goal posts every time someone points out how retarded you are.
On that topic, you’re still wrong as fuck:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom
Go to the “timeline of protests” section. There was over a hundred protests that took place from May 28 to June 21 in the UK alone. Saying the protests only happened for a day is more made up bullshit.
clambake
07-30-2020, 02:52 PM
Do you fear rednecks?
Nope
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:54 PM
You just said it didn’t have any protesters, now you’re saying it was just a little protesting. Which one is it? You’re just moving the goal posts every time someone points out how retarded you are.
On that topic, you’re still wrong as fuck:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom
Go to the “timeline of protests” section. There was over a hundred protests that took place from May 28 to June 21 in the UK alone. Saying the protests only happened for a day is more made up bullshit.
Isn't the UK also wrecked by Covid?
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 02:54 PM
Nope
Interesting double standard.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 02:57 PM
Isn't the UK also wrecked by Covid?
Plenty of countries in mainland Europe had a lot more than one day of protesting if you want to move the goalposts again to exclude the UK.
More importantly though, no, the UK had a surge in March/April when every other country did, but they quickly bent the curve and they now have less than 1,000 new cases a day across the entire country. America is the only industrialized country where there are more new COVID cases now than there were in March/April.
Brazil
07-30-2020, 02:58 PM
By comparison Germany's second quarter decline was 10.1% annualized at 40%. Covid sucks. It's a shitty choice between fucking up your economy or killing more people.
'Murica chose to fuck up the economy and kill more people :lol
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 03:00 PM
'Murica chose to fuck up the economy and kill more people :lol
:lmao you’d think the two are mutually exclusive, but somehow Trump managed to achieve both.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 03:00 PM
DP
TimDunkem
07-30-2020, 03:04 PM
RIP FrostKang
Brazil
07-30-2020, 03:05 PM
:lmao you’d think the two are mutually exclusive, but somehow Trump managed to achieve both.
I used to say that Dilma was deserving a nobe prize to be able to combine high inflation, high interest rates and economic recession all at the same time but Trump and Bolsonaro are doing even better combining recession and letting the covid spread :lol
Brazil
07-30-2020, 03:07 PM
Plenty of countries in mainland Europe had a lot more than one day of protesting if you want to move the goalposts again to exclude the UK.
More importantly though, no, the UK had a surge in March/April when every other country did, but they quickly bent the curve and they now have less than 1,000 new cases a day across the entire country. America is the only industrialized country where there are more new COVID cases now than there were in March/April.
on that note it seems that even Brazil is getting there in terms of flatening the curves of infection :lol
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 03:23 PM
on that note it seems that even Brazil is getting there in terms of flatening the curves of infection :lol
Brasil, the new World Champion, is worse than USA for cases
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~BRA&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
ElNono
07-30-2020, 03:24 PM
Congress is also just shameful... and sorry, but there's no way you can't blame Mitch on this one. Dems passed a relief bill in May... there was so much time to negotiate, but they sat on their asses instead.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 03:31 PM
Congress is also just shameful... and sorry, but there's no way you can't blame Mitch on this one. Dems passed a relief bill in May... there was so much time to negotiate, but they sat on their asses instead.
Cocaine Mitch does this all the time, he deliberately waits until the last minute to release details of whatever corporate welfare handouts he and the Republicans have cooked up so there’s no time to negotiate. The Dems should draw a line in the sand and say it’s on you if we don’t pass it in time but we’re not going to entertain the gamesmanship anymore, unfortunately Schumer is too much of a pussy for that.
boutons_deux
07-30-2020, 03:39 PM
Congress is also just shameful... and sorry, but there's no way you can't blame Mitch on this one. Dems passed a relief bill in May... there was so much time to negotiate, but they sat on their asses instead.
Repugs don't care about The People, as long the BigDonor class is protected/enriched and keeps the donations rolling in.
clambake
07-30-2020, 03:50 PM
Interesting double standard.
Because I’m not afraid?
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 03:53 PM
:lmao you’d think the two are mutually exclusive, but somehow Trump managed to achieve both.
The whole reason I really don't want to see Texas shut down the economy again and I can't understand why California is doing it. I mean what the fuck is the point as long as Trump is president when there will never be sufficient testing capacity, there will never be a national contact tracing program, there won't even be a response other than lying about how things are under control from Trump his shitbag GOP.
baseline bum
07-30-2020, 03:56 PM
Brasil, the new World Champion, is worse than USA for cases
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~BRA&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
Do you really believe our 7-day rolling average for new caseload per day flattened and dropped the exact day the hospitals started sending data to Trump's HHS instead of the CDC? And in red states on top of that while blue states maintained their trajectory? No one can seriously believe the data coming out of Trump's HHS any more. We're still the coronavirusfail champions.
CosmicCowboy
07-30-2020, 04:13 PM
Congress is also just shameful... and sorry, but there's no way you can't blame Mitch on this one. Dems passed a relief bill in May... there was so much time to negotiate, but they sat on their asses instead.
Even worse, they went home and hid out for months but still got paid $$$$$.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 04:16 PM
Because I’m not afraid?
Correct. Why does my dislike default to fear but yours does not.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 04:17 PM
Because I’m not afraid?
Correct. Why does my dislike default to fear but yours does not.
Trainwreck2100
07-30-2020, 04:18 PM
Cocaine Mitch does this all the time, he deliberately waits until the last minute to release details of whatever corporate welfare handouts he and the Republicans have cooked up so there’s no time to negotiate. The Dems should draw a line in the sand and say it’s on you if we don’t pass it in time but we’re not going to entertain the gamesmanship anymore, unfortunately Schumer is too much of a pussy for that.
If Mitch tries to play hardball just tell him "It's an election year we should let voters decide" I do hope the Dems finally grow a pair of balls and fuck the Repubs the way they've been fucking the dems these last few decades. No more overton window bullshit.
Will Hunting
07-30-2020, 04:23 PM
If Mitch tries to play hardball just tell him "It's an election year we should let voters decide" I do hope the Dems finally grow a pair of balls and fuck the Repubs the way they've been fucking the dems these last few decades. No more overton window bullshit.
I still say go nuclear, kill the filibuster and ram as much shit through in 2021/2022. Even if/when Republicans get control back, I still think they wouldn’t be able to repeal stuff like a minimum wage hike or a UBI (look what happened with Obamacare, when push came to shove there were always a few Republicans who didn’t want to take healthcare away from 20 million people).
clambake
07-30-2020, 04:48 PM
Correct. Why does my dislike default to fear but yours does not.
Because your fear is based on color.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 04:50 PM
Because your fear is based on color.
Negative. Cultural. I dislike wiggers
clambake
07-30-2020, 05:04 PM
But your culture is built on bending over.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 05:12 PM
But your culture is built on bending over.
Our culture survived over a century of not existing on the map. Blacks in American bitching about having to drink from different water fountains.
Our culture survived over a century of not being on the map. Blacks in American bitching about having to drink from different water fountains.
You were bent over and liked it.
FrostKing
07-30-2020, 05:18 PM
You were bent over and liked it.
Say their names. Get on your knees. Wash their feet.
tholdren
07-30-2020, 05:18 PM
science has sided with lockdowns being a mistake. This is a fact. Carry on
ElNono
07-30-2020, 06:16 PM
^ gossip
science has sided with lockdowns being a mistake. This is a fact. Carry on
Witch doctor Trump cited doesn’t count as a scientist.
Splits
07-30-2020, 06:30 PM
Didnt trumps economic advisor just say we are in the middle of a V shaped economic bullish run? :lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1j-Zjc2jS8
spurraider21
07-30-2020, 07:33 PM
'Murica chose to fuck up the economy and kill more people :lol
:lmao you’d think the two are mutually exclusive, but somehow Trump managed to achieve both.
man, that's depressing
diego
07-31-2020, 12:11 AM
Do you really believe our 7-day rolling average for new caseload per day flattened and dropped the exact day the hospitals started sending data to Trump's HHS instead of the CDC? And in red states on top of that while blue states maintained their trajectory? No one can seriously believe the data coming out of Trump's HHS any more. We're still the coronavirusfail champions.
eh, brasil data is even more doctored, theyve had like 3 health ministers quit already unwilling to go with the show..
ElNono
07-31-2020, 12:22 AM
'Murica chose to fuck up the economy and kill more people :lol
:lmao you’d think the two are mutually exclusive, but somehow Trump managed to achieve both.
Tired of winning :lol
Winehole23
07-31-2020, 08:12 PM
This quarter was 9.5% decline. Not 33%.
Still terrible.In olden times, a reduction in force of ten percent was called decimation.
Demand shocks suck among other reasons because they throw a lot of people out of work at once, and debt-deflation makes the demand shock repeat over and over without state intervention, as during the Great Depression.
No celebration, a depression comports the entirely avoidable result of human deprivation and suffering.
Winehole23
07-31-2020, 08:15 PM
doing nothing is a choice.
in a depression/pandemic, it will be a very costly one.
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