CDC Confirms Extremely Low COVID-19 Death Rate

[ducks]

https://www.technocracy.news/cdc-confirms-extremely-low-covid-19-death-rate/?fbclid=IwAR3RN30foxxM6mf9FDtSbUtuk6KdeHYsymI6B_Ag WFrBNQCGyKs7geKu54M

[slick'81]

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[boutons_deux]

With trash's tactic hiding the true numbers, trash's sycophantic CDC has no credibility

CDC gets the numbers after they've been massaged by an external private for-profit sycophantic company

[DMC]

POSTED BY: DANIEL HOROWITZ VIA CONSERVATIVEREVIEW MAY 26, 2020

[tholdren]

POSTED BY: DANIEL HOROWITZ VIA CONSERVATIVEREVIEW MAY 26, 2020

It's lower now

[Blake]

https://www.technocracy.news/cdc-confirms-extremely-low-covid-19-death-rate/?fbclid=IwAR3RN30foxxM6mf9FDtSbUtuk6KdeHYsymI6B_Ag WFrBNQCGyKs7geKu54M

Lol wtf is "technocracy.news"?

[tholdren]

There is no state in America or country in the world where healthy people are dying at a rate comparable with flu

[Blake]

There is no state in America or country in the world where healthy people are dying at a rate comparable with flu

Liar

[tholdren]

Liar

Thats a fact. Just like the fact that less than 6 percent of covid death had no comorbidities. Which means even less dangerous.

[Blake]

Thats a fact. Just like the fact that less than 6 percent of covid death had no comorbidities. Which means even less dangerous.

Gossip

[tholdren]

Thats a fact. Just like the fact that less than 6 percent of covid death had no comorbidities. Which means even less dangerous.

cdc fact

[ChumpDumper]

cdc facttholdren lie

[tholdren]

tholdren lie

Here comes ChumpDumper gossip

[ChumpDumper]

Here comes ChumpDumper gossipf:lolldren

[Blake]

Here comes ChumpDumper gossip

Gossip

[DarrinS]

H1N1 was more dangerous to the 20-40 crowd.

[ChumpDumper]

H1N1 was more dangerous to the 20-40 crowd.There was a vaccine for H1N1.

[hater]

Subjective facts festival

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurtacular, look at Chumpettes trying to do damage control for elites.

[Spurtacular]

Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615), look at Chumpettes trying to do damage control for elites.

It's what these wannabe elitists do.

[DMC]

It's lower now

Understood but not news now.

[Winehole23]

y'all seem to think death is the only meaningful metric.

it isn't.

[Winehole23]

Viz.,undertesting, little to no contact tracing, permanent organ damage and disability, clotting, strokes, lingering neurological and psychological effects, economic demand shock from non-medical intervention, mass unemployment, mass evictions, mass homelessness, economic depression, hunger and mass death.

Social disruption, insitutional disintegration, incipient civil war, etc.

In other words, the best of all possible worlds. There is no alternative.

[DMC]

y'all seem to think death is the only meaningful metric.

it isn't.

According to you.

[Winehole23]

According to you.No, no. You and foldren are laser foucused on death, ignoring all other variables.

[DMC]

No, no. You and foldren are laser foucused on death, ignoring all other variables.

You mean variables like the political leanings of the state governments? Obviously, because NY had exponentially more deaths than many other states who seem to get more attention around here than did NY. Cuomo dithered.

[DMC]

Viz.,undertesting, little to no contact tracing, permanent organ damage and disability, clotting, strokes, lingering neurological and psychological effects, economic demand shock from non-medical intervention, mass unemployment, mass evictions, mass homelessness, economic depression, hunger and mass death.

Social disruption, insitutional disintegration, incipient civil war, etc.

In other words, the best of all possible worlds. There is no alternative.

End of the world

[Winehole23]

End of the worldNope. You stiill don't get it.

Short of total annihilation, there is no rational limit to things getting worse.

[DMC]

Nope. You stiill don't get it.

Short of total annihilation, there is no rational limit to things getting worse.

For you

[Winehole23]

You mean variables like the political leanings of the state governments? Obviously, because NY had exponentially more deaths than many other states who seem to get more attention around here than did NY. Cuomo dithered.He did. Who denied it?

i certainly didn't.

Of the five worst outbreaks in the US right now, how many are not California and who's in charge there?

You do know that time is linear, right?

We're not done with this pandemic nor it with us, not by a long shot.

[Winehole23]

For youIf you say things cannot get any worse for you I cannot gainsay that.

Is that all that matters to you?

if so, what are you doing here?

[MB20]

Not as deadly as other viruses for the healthy people. But it spreads fast, until it finds people with weaknesses.

[JamStone]

Lol “healthy” Americans. Yay! Nothing to worry about... except...

Over 120 million Americans have cardiovascular disease.

Nearly 35 million Americans have diabetes. Triple that number when you include pre-diabetes.

If the argument is that covid-19 doesn’t kill “healthy” people, America’s overwhelmingly fat, diabetic, weak heart stricken population is fucked.

[Winehole23]

Lol “healthy” Americans. Yay! Nothing to worry about... except...

Over 120 million Americans have cardiovascular disease.

Nearly 35 million Americans have diabetes. Triple that number when you include pre-diabetes.

If the argument is that covid-19 doesn’t kill “healthy” people, America’s overwhelmingly fat, diabetic, weak heart stricken population is fucked.If you are old or have an underlying health condition, you deserve to get COVID-19 and die.

Also, your death shouldn't count, because it's your fault you died.

[MB20]

That is the problem. And why you should take really good care.
Not only for you, but for the people around you.

[Will Hunting]

Lol “healthy” Americans. Yay! Nothing to worry about... except...

Over 120 million Americans have cardiovascular disease.

Nearly 35 million Americans have diabetes. Triple that number when you include pre-diabetes.

If the argument is that covid-19 doesn’t kill “healthy” people, America’s overwhelmingly fat, diabetic, weak heart stricken population is fucked.
Over 100 million Americans have high blood pressure, and even more have high cholesterol too. If we only counted deaths of healthy Americans then annual deaths caused by heart disease, cancer and beetus would also be a fraction of what they currently are :lol

This is also why Sweden’s herd immunity policy would have been a disaster here. Sweden has one of the healthiest, physically active populations in the world, and in order to get to herd immunity (assuming it actually has gotten there) it still had more deaths per capita than we currently do. Even ignoring how hard urban population centers would have been hit if we went the herd immunity route, Trumpland would have gotten smacked. The 50,000 person town in West Virginia where everyone is morbidly obese and buys their groceries at Walmart wouldn’t have been able to handle Sweden’s policy.

[boutons_deux]

Trash's CDC is lying. Anyone is a fool to believe anything from Trash's compromised CDC

National cases and deaths also being undercounted by Trash's outside company now receiving, probably erroneously, case and death counts from the confused states, from confused hospitals, etc.

[BSfromTX]

Lol “healthy” Americans. Yay! Nothing to worry about... except...

Over 120 million Americans have cardiovascular disease.

Nearly 35 million Americans have diabetes. Triple that number when you include pre-diabetes.

If the argument is that covid-19 doesn’t kill “healthy” people, America’s overwhelmingly fat, diabetic, weak heart stricken population is fucked.


Exactly, those are the people at risk. Those "pre-diabetics" are typically full blown diabetics and are uncontrolled which poses a much bigger risk.

BUT, those people have already been at risk for many other diseases and complications before Covid and always will be. It isn't anything new. Most Type II uncontrolled diabetics (in general) are non compliant and do not take care of themselves in general AND are overweight with other resulting systemic issues.

All the other complications are likely more associated with the patients overall conditions rather than covid.

HTN is likely not much of a risk factor on its own, but something that out of shape older diabetics have and so it gets lumped in there (IMHO)


Certainly you want to help everyone and keep everyone safe, but they have to want to help themselves also. People in their 60's or older a lot of times don't care to change their habits and are ready to accept the end. That may seem crazy to some, but when people get to that stage in life, staying alive and still having quality of life takes a lot of effort and drive.

Type II diabetes is not a disease you can fix with medicine, you have to change your life style. You have to change habits. These same people will be at risk when they need knee replacements, stents, by pass surgery, etc.. They will be at risk for MRSA, pneumonia, and other infections. They simply don't heal well in the extremities or areas of fine vasculature (lungs).

Saving these people is way more about education and will power than Covid.

It bothers me how people all of the sudden care about these people because it supports their political views.

[JamStone]

I’m not one who politicizes covid-19. I have and will criticize either side of the aisle when applicable and appropriate.

My point on this specific issue is that you cannot dismiss the dangerous nature of covid-19 by suggesting how less harmful it is to healthy people when we live in a country that is overwhelmingly filled with unhealthy people. That’s faulty logic. If it’s dangerous to the vulnerable, and a significant percentage of your population is vulnerable, then it’s a major problem. It’s not NOT a big deal.

[BSfromTX]

I’m not one who politicizes covid-19. I have and will criticize either side of the aisle when applicable and appropriate.

My point on this specific issue is that you cannot dismiss the dangerous nature of covid-19 by suggesting how less harmful it is to healthy people when we live in a country that is overwhelmingly filled with unhealthy people. That’s faulty logic. If it’s dangerous to the vulnerable, and a significant percentage of your population is vulnerable, then it’s a major problem. It’s not NOT a big deal.


Right, but so are many other diseases. This isn't new. That vulnerable population always has been and always will be vulnerable to flu, URV's, pneumonia, MRSA, etc..

I don't mean to sound like I am dismissing it. It just isn't anything new to me. I have seen a lot of diabetics suffer through all kinds of issues and I have seen many that simply won't accept it. These people have been dealing with issues like this for decades, but certainly that population is growing. Baby boomers are getting into their 70's and the generations raised on fast food are right behind them. Take away Covid, and we still have a big problem with diabetes. Diseases that healthy people can manage will always be a threat to diabetics.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/coronavirus-will-never-go-away/614860/

[Will Hunting]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/coronavirus-will-never-go-away/614860/
To be fair, I think that might be the case even without the US being the epicenter. Once China let this thing spread to Italy and France, it was going to be really hard to eradicate without a vaccine or treatment.

[JamStone]

Right, but so are many other diseases. This isn't new. That vulnerable population always has been and always will be vulnerable to flu, URV's, pneumonia, MRSA, etc..

Which would be a fair point, but other diseases have effective and/or proven vaccines, antibiotics, or some other type of known therapeutic or medicinal treatment. That’s what makes covid-19 especially dangerous right now. It’s what would make any new disease, any new URV particularly dangerous. New means a lot of unknowns. We don’t have a vaccine yet. And how effective any medication might be is still debatable. The less we know about a new disease, the more careful we should be, the more serious we should take it.

People who are unhealthy, have other diseases or conditions that make them more vulnerable to any number of other diseases does not mean we simply give up on them and acquiesce to them getting severely sick or dying. Sure, people should try to live healthier. Go ahead and educate the unhealthy. Education is the slow play, the big picture issue. Covid-19 is the now problem. It’s the 160,000+ dead in our country now problem.

[baseline bum]

Exactly, those are the people at risk. Those "pre-diabetics" are typically full blown diabetics and are uncontrolled which poses a much bigger risk.

BUT, those people have already been at risk for many other diseases and complications before Covid and always will be. It isn't anything new. Most Type II uncontrolled diabetics (in general) are non compliant and do not take care of themselves in general AND are overweight with other resulting systemic issues.

All the other complications are likely more associated with the patients overall conditions rather than covid.

HTN is likely not much of a risk factor on its own, but something that out of shape older diabetics have and so it gets lumped in there (IMHO)


Certainly you want to help everyone and keep everyone safe, but they have to want to help themselves also. People in their 60's or older a lot of times don't care to change their habits and are ready to accept the end. That may seem crazy to some, but when people get to that stage in life, staying alive and still having quality of life takes a lot of effort and drive.

Type II diabetes is not a disease you can fix with medicine, you have to change your life style. You have to change habits. These same people will be at risk when they need knee replacements, stents, by pass surgery, etc.. They will be at risk for MRSA, pneumonia, and other infections. They simply don't heal well in the extremities or areas of fine vasculature (lungs).

Saving these people is way more about education and will power than Covid.

It bothers me how people all of the sudden don't give a fuck about these people because it supports their political views.

fify

[Blake]

You mean variables like the political leanings of the state governments? Obviously, because NY had exponentially more deaths than many other states who seem to get more attention around here than did NY. Cuomo dithered.

DMC still stuck in April.

[DMC]

He did. Who denied it?

i certainly didn't.

Of the five worst outbreaks in the US right now, how many are not California and who's in charge there?

You do know that time is linear, right?

We're not done with this pandemic nor it with us, not by a long shot.

Who denied it? :lol It's not about denying it, the fact you pass over it and only address it when accused of ignoring it shows your bias. It's blatantly obvious when a state has 40,000 plus deaths is being ignored until prompted by other people, yet a state with a fraction of those deaths is being amplified based on political leadership. Biased people don't have honest discussions. I don't believe too many people here are interested in discussing it from a scientific standpoint. Just take your blue flag and wave it and stop pretending to be discussing an objective standpoint.Orange man bad.. just say that and save yourself time.

[ChumpDumper]

Who denied it? :lol It's not about denying it, the fact you pass over it and only address it when accused of ignoring it shows your bias. It's blatantly obvious when a state has 40,000 plus deaths is being ignored until prompted by other people, yet a state with a fraction of those deaths is being amplified based on political leadership. Biased people don't have honest discussions. I don't believe too many people here are interested in discussing it from a scientific standpoint. Just take your blue flag and wave it and stop pretending to be discussing an objective standpoint.Orange man bad.. just say that and save yourself time.You think Orange Man good?

Honestly?

[spurraider21]

Biased people don't have honest discussions.
we've noticed

[tholdren]

ifr less than flu

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math or f:lolldren.

[Winehole23]

Who denied it? :lol It's not about denying it, the fact you pass over it and only address it when accused of ignoring it shows your bias. It's blatantly obvious when a state has 40,000 plus deaths is being ignored until prompted by other people, yet a state with a fraction of those deaths is being amplified based on political leadership. Biased people don't have honest discussions. I don't believe too many people here are interested in discussing it from a scientific standpoint.A large number of people on this board live in Texas and have been personally affected by COVID-19. One might say it's a topic of broad regional interest, but I wholeheartedly with you agree the only possible explanation for putting Texas in the spotlight is bias against Republicans.

Rising caseload, deaths and hospitalizations couldn't have had anything to do with the attention paid, could they?
,
(Btw, please feel free to remedy the dearth of scientific discussion on this board, it would be a welcome relief from your usual towel snapping and ankle biting.. :tu)


Biased people don't have honest discussions. I don't believe too many people here are interested in discussing it from a scientific standpoint. Just take your blue flag and wave it and stop pretending to be discussing an objective standpoint.Orange man bad.. just say that and save yourself time.I'm not pretending to be objective, that's your schtick. Good luck with that!

It's not a secret that I think GOP dickheads should be voted out en masse for supporting Trump. You can call that bias if you want, imo it's just good judgment