Trump billionaire crony is trashing the USPS

[Reck]

Good to see that Pelosi might call Congress back early to investigate this and start issuing subpoenas.

If I were Trump I’d have Dejoy reverse all the changes he’s made. If this is still a headline story 1 month from now black voters in areas like Philly and Milwaukee are all going to be voting early.

It's official.

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[Will Hunting]

It's official.

1295125143208042497
That’ll never make it to the floor in the senate but still worth it. They should start issuing subpoenas too if they’re back in session.

[Reck]

Here's the letter

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/81620-0

[Spurs Homer]

So, defunding the Police = BAD!

Defunding the USPS = GOOD!

Amirite cultists?

[Blake]

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/More_than_she_can_carry_LCCN2012645201.jpg/220px-More_than_she_can_carry_LCCN2012645201.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:More_than_she_can_carry_LCCN2012645201.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Route_scandal

Is there a Trump Project out there? If not there should be.

[Blake]

So, defunding the Police = BAD!

Defunding the USPS = GOOD!

Amirite cultists?

Yes, socialist police force good. Socialist mail system bad.

[Winehole23]

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[Will Hunting]

If you don’t want a socialist USPS fine, but don’t start bitching when the USPS has to increase postage charges to and from rural areas exponentially. It’s not the urban areas that are losing money.

[Winehole23]

sidebar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Mail_scandal

[boutons_deux]

1294993437549383681

so after 2000, the Repugs fucked up the USPS.

Heckuva job, dubya.

btw, early 2001 and early 2017, just after taking office,

the Repugs had the SAME OBJECTIVE:

cut taxes on the oligarchy.

in 2001, Repugs had to use conciliation to ram the cuts through the Senate.

[Will Hunting]

What the actual fuck? Are candidates even allowed to be mailing people absentee ballot applications?

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[DMC]

If the USPS has to up it's prices in rural areas it's going to be mostly because so many people have stopped depending on them, so they cannot spread the cost out to everyone. I cannot remember the last time I used a stamp to mail something using the USPS. I get it plenty people still do, and for that reason it should remain a viable option to send or receive parcels and letters. If it wasn't for shit mail the USPS probably goes under a decade ago or more.

[Blake]

If you don’t want a socialist USPS fine, but don’t start bitching when the USPS has to increase postage charges to and from rural areas exponentially. It’s not the urban areas that are losing money.

Which is where you find a lot of Trump voters. Fucking morons gonna shoot themselves in the foot to spite the bad Dems.

[Blake]

If the USPS has to up it's prices in rural areas it's going to be mostly because so many people have stopped depending on them, so they cannot spread the cost out to everyone. I cannot remember the last time I used a stamp to mail something using the USPS. I get it plenty people still do, and for that reason it should remain a viable option to send or receive parcels and letters. If it wasn't for shit mail the USPS probably goes under a decade ago or more.

Great anecdote that is worth nothing. :tu

[Reck]

If the USPS has to up it's prices in rural areas it's going to be mostly because so many people have stopped depending on them, so they cannot spread the cost out to everyone. I cannot remember the last time I used a stamp to mail something using the USPS. I get it plenty people still do, and for that reason it should remain a viable option to send or receive parcels and letters. If it wasn't for shit mail the USPS probably goes under a decade ago or more.

Great timing.

[Spurtacular]

1294993437549383681

Looks like they knew how to make a buck before subsidization culture kicked in.

[ElNono]

The USPS and it's previous reincarnations used to make a lot of money, especially through postal banking. It got so good, that bankers demanded the creation of the FDIC so they too could offer government protection on deposits.

Once that happened, Congress completely gutted the USPS. Ended postal banking, and demanded they fund their pensions way more than even private companies do.

They've been sabotaged for a while, tbh, mostly because it shits on the dogma that government can't run a business efficiently and compete with the private sector.

[Winehole23]

there's always a tweet

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[DMC]

The USPS and it's previous reincarnations used to make a lot of money, especially through postal banking. It got so good, that bankers demanded the creation of the FDIC so they too could offer government protection on deposits.

Once that happened, Congress completely gutted the USPS. Ended postal banking, and demanded they fund their pensions way more than even private companies do.

They've been sabotaged for a while, tbh, mostly because it shits on the dogma that government can't run a business efficiently and compete with the private sector.

So the government shit on the concept that it cannot run a business by shitting on the fact that they can? Somehow that makes the government competent? Who exactly are you talking about? It's like saying a guy committed suicide to prevent people from knowing he was suicidal.

[ElNono]

So the government shit on the concept that it cannot run a business by shitting on the fact that they can? Somehow that makes the government competent? Who exactly are you talking about? It's like saying a guy committed suicide to prevent people from knowing he was suicidal.

Congress and the Postal Service are separate entities, and I think you're well aware of that. While both are under the same umbrella of government, it doesn't mean they're the same thing.

I specifically mentioned Congress, and I can't pin it on a specific party because they've both had full control of the chambers in different periods.

Any other clarifications you need on my post?

[pgardn]

So the government shit on the concept that it cannot run a business by shitting on the fact that they can? Somehow that makes the government competent? Who exactly are you talking about? It's like saying a guy committed suicide to prevent people from knowing he was suicidal.

Yeah the postal service is only a business for the government.

For profit. And they can refuse to deliver to your house, instead, they use your neighbor.
I want the government to pick a private company (chosen by the president) to deliver, receive, and count ballots.

Thank you,
Red Team

PS We wish to keep governing and we are more than willing to tell you directly we don’t want Democrats voting and if the postal strategy works we, the red team, are fine with that.




The orange man told the US his strategy straight out and red cucks (since you adopted that word) agree with the strategy.

USA.... kiss the flag.

[TSA]

TSA is gone. lol


Lol. Disappearing.jpg

:lol spending your weekends on Spurstalk

[DarrinS]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/a-reality-based-look-at-trump-and-the-post-office

[ChumpDumper]

Byr:loln Y:lolrk

[TSA]

142.5 billion pieces of mail

The idea that the Postal Service will not be able to handle the volume of mail in the election, or not be able to handle it within normal Postal Service time guidelines, does not make much sense. According to its most recent annual report, last year, in fiscal year 2019, the Postal Service handled 142.5 billion pieces of mail. "On a typical day, our 633,000 employees physically process and deliver 471 million mailpieces to nearly 160 million delivery points," the report says. This year, that number is higher, given the Postal Service's delivery of census forms and stimulus checks. Those alone added about 450 million additional pieces of mail.

In 2016, about 136 million Americans voted in the presidential election. The number will probably be a bit higher this year. If officials sent ballots to every single American registered to vote, about 158 million people, and then 140 million people returned ballots, the roughly 298 million pieces of mail handled over the course of several weeks would be well within the Postal Service's ability to handle. Of course, officials will not send a ballot to every American registered to vote, and not every voter will vote by mail. Whatever the final number is, the ballots that are cast by mail will not cripple a system that delivers 471 million pieces of mail every day.

There are, of course, compelling examples of election dysfunction, most notably the mess New York made of some of its congressional primaries this summer. But rather than representing a Postal Service problem, that was because some states are unprepared for a dramatic increase of voting by mail. The states have to prepare the ballots, address them, and process and count them when the Postal Service delivers them. That is the focus of the entirely legitimate fears of a possible vote-counting disaster this year. But it's not the Postal Service.

=========================

Nightmare scenarios

Many news accounts have included stories of Americans suffering from interruptions in Postal Service deliveries. For example, a story in the New York Times headlined "Postal Crisis Ripples Across Nation As Election Looms" included the story of Victoria Brownworth, a freelance journalist in Philadelphia. "For Ms. Brownworth, who was paralyzed four years ago, the mail is her lifeline," the New York Times said, "delivering prescriptions and checks and mail-in ballots to her Philadelphia home. But that lifeline has snapped. She said she had received mail just twice in the past three weeks, and she dreaded November's election, worried that her ballot would suffer the same fate as the oxygen tube that she ordered three weeks ago — and that had still not arrived."

Other news reports have included many other examples. They are largely, if not entirely, anecdotal. While each is serious for the person involved, at the moment, it is impossible to tell how much of a national problem they represent. People who keep track of the Postal Service suspect that many of the stories are rooted in workforce availability problems related to the coronavirus pandemic, plus the changes in operations (for example, closing a facility to clean it during an outbreak) that have become part of life during the pandemic. The Postal Service would not be the only large organization that has found it impossible to operate as usual during the crisis.

There is also the fact that the Postal Service does, on occasion, fail to deliver the mail. In its annual reports, it includes data on "performance outcomes." For example, for first-class mail, which is the type of mail that would be most employed for election purposes, the goal in fiscal year 2019 was to deliver 96% of letters in one to three business days. Its actual performance was 92%. So 8% of first-class letters were not delivered on time. Now, consider that the Postal Service handled 54.9 billion pieces of first-class mail in fiscal year 2019. That is more than 4 billion pieces of first-class mail that were not delivered on time. And that, in a fraught political situation, could be the basis for a lot of anecdotes in news articles.

Many of those anecdotes, by the way, appear to have made it to the media with the help of the Postal Service unions. There are two major unions representing Postal Service workers. On Friday, the largest postal union, the National Association of Letter Carriers, endorsed Democratic candidate Joe Biden for president. In June, another union, the American Postal Workers Union, endorsed Biden as well. In 2016, both unions endorsed Hillary Clinton. In 2008 and 2012, both unions endorsed Barack Obama. In 2004, they endorsed John Kerry. And so on.

One more note about delivery times. A few days ago, the Washington Post published a story headlined "Postal Service warns 46 states their voters could be disenfranchised by delayed mail-in ballots." The paper obtained letters from Postal Service leadership to various states informing them that some of their election deadlines are "incongruous with the Postal Service's delivery standards." The resulting "mismatch," the Postal Service said, "creates a risk that ballots requested near the deadline under state law will not be returned by mail in time to be counted under your laws as we understand them." In other words, several states are not giving the Postal Service long enough to deliver a ballot to a voter and then deliver the filled-in ballot to the state election board. For example, if a state's law allows a voter to request a ballot seven days before the general election but also requires that votes must be received by election day to be counted — that would be a recipe for a lot of votes not being counted. It was an entirely reasonable concern on the part of the Postal Service, and it is a problem more for the states than the Postal Service. Yet media discussion of the story suggested it was just another chapter in what one source in the Washington Post account called "the weaponization of the U.S. Postal Service for the president's electoral purposes."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/a-reality-based-look-at-trump-and-the-post-office

https://twitter.com/KBrassenstein/status/1294816475547676673

[ChumpDumper]

Does removing sorting machines from a post office improve or reduce the chances of delivering its mail on time during the election?

[Will Hunting]

Does removing sorting machines from a post office improve or reduce the chances of delivering its mail on time during the election?
Just to clarify before this gets an intellectually dishonest response, no one is saying that turning them off wouldn't be normal. It would make sense to turn a redundant machine off if there was a reduction in mail volume.

Physically removing them and permanently reducing a processing center's capacity has no logical explanation.

[Blake]

:lol spending your weekends on Spurstalk

How's gummi these days

[Blake]

Just to clarify before this gets an intellectually dishonest response, no one is saying that turning them off wouldn't be normal. It would make sense to turn a redundant machine off if there was a reduction in mail volume.

Physically removing them and permanently reducing a processing center's capacity has no logical explanation.

IT'S NORMAL IT'S DONE ALL THE TIME

[Will Hunting]

IT'S NORMAL IT'S DONE ALL THE TIME
MUH JUNK MAIL

[DMC]

Just to clarify before this gets an intellectually dishonest response, no one is saying that turning them off wouldn't be normal. It would make sense to turn a redundant machine off if there was a reduction in mail volume.

Physically removing them and permanently reducing a processing center's capacity has no logical explanation.

it does if capacity has a running cost.

[Will Hunting]

it does if capacity has a running cost.
What are the running costs for a machine that’s turned off?

Is this a reason you’ve heard, or are you just speculating?

[Spurs Homer]

Media= corrupt/fake/
FBI = corrupt/deep state
CIA = corrupt
USA INTEL = All corrupt
Courts / Judicial system = corrupt
DOJ = corrupt - until Trump arrived and installed BARR to clean it up /make legit again
Press = corrupt
States/ counties/ municipalities/cities = corrupt (*unless run by Republican officials)
People of color= corrupt/criminal/terrorists
Nazis= very fine people
Elections= corrupt
USPS = corrupt
Foreign policy= disastrous/until trump arrived
Rule of Law = deep state corrupt and ONE innocent person wrongfully investigated (yes- trump)


and every other institution/norm/tradition - PRE-Trump = corrupt
(no one knows how we even survived without the honest squeaky clean savior)





The CULT : “ that ^ makes absolute perfect sense! Heil Donald!”

[Will Hunting]

Dejoy has agreed to testify next Monday, the first day of the RNC.

:lmao Trump unintentionally distracting from his own convention

[pgardn]

What are the running costs for a machine that’s turned off?

Is this a reason you’ve heard, or are you just speculating?

The timing for assessing running costs is purely coincidental.
Dont look here, nothing to see. Nothingburger.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[DMC]

What are the running costs for a machine that’s turned off?

Is this a reason you’ve heard, or are you just speculating?

Machines don't do well in stasis. They have to be PM'd, run on occasion to ensure they can run if called upon, the electrical facilities to them have to be maintained, the space has to be maintained. I know about idled machines, they require service just like running machines require service. Think about boats in storage.. they don't do well unless prepped and maintained on the regular. Shit rots.

[DMC]

The timing for assessing running costs is purely coincidental.
Dont look here, nothing to see. Nothingburger.

aka you have no idea

[ElNono]

BREAKING: Postmaster general announces he is 'suspending' policies that were blamed for causing mail delays ahead of election

Breaking: Amid intense scrutiny, Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said that he is expanding a task force on election mail and he expects the Postal Service to deliver “election mail on time and within our well-established service standards.”

He said retail hours would not be changed, neither mail-sorting machines nor blue mailboxes would be removed, no mail-processing facilities would be closed, and that overtime would be available as needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-will-hold-postal-service-hearing-with-dejoy-on-friday-as-mail-delay-fears-grow/2020/08/18/5f978e76-e14f-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html

[Reck]

BREAKING: Postmaster general announces he is 'suspending' policies that were blamed for causing mail delays ahead of election

Breaking: Amid intense scrutiny, Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said that he is expanding a task force on election mail and he expects the Postal Service to deliver “election mail on time and within our well-established service standards.”

He said retail hours would not be changed, neither mail-sorting machines nor blue mailboxes would be removed, no mail-processing facilities would be closed, and that overtime would be available as needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-will-hold-postal-service-hearing-with-dejoy-on-friday-as-mail-delay-fears-grow/2020/08/18/5f978e76-e14f-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html

GOT'HIM!

[Will Hunting]

So what about the processing equipment that’s already been removed? Hopefully people keep the pressure on until Dejoy reverses all the damage he’s already done.

[Reck]

So what about the processing equipment that’s already been removed? Hopefully people keep the pressure on until Dejoy reverses all the damage he’s already done.

New ones must be installed. Cant wait to see this guy get shreaded on his hearing.

[clambake]

Welfare states shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

[Will Hunting]

Polls in Iowa Georgia and Maine got released today with questions about the USPS and they’re horrible for Trump. All 3 states were at least +20 in favor of the post office being funded to make sure the election can be handled.

Who would have ever guessed Americans don’t like billionaire oligarchs fucking with their mail.

Time for the Dems to keep their foot on Dejoy’s throat and force him to resign.

[DarrinS]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nancy-pelosi-goes-politically-postal-11597707956?mod=opinion_lead_pos2

[Spurs Homer]

Pelosi - house bill -

is supposed to re-instate things to the way they were in January 2020 -

if I read the article correctly?

[Reck]

Darrin has woken up from his drunkard stupor with more pointless links.

[RandomGuy]

BREAKING: Postmaster general announces he is 'suspending' policies that were blamed for causing mail delays ahead of election

Breaking: Amid intense scrutiny, Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said that he is expanding a task force on election mail and he expects the Postal Service to deliver “election mail on time and within our well-established service standards.”

He said retail hours would not be changed, neither mail-sorting machines nor blue mailboxes would be removed, no mail-processing facilities would be closed, and that overtime would be available as needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-will-hold-postal-service-hearing-with-dejoy-on-friday-as-mail-delay-fears-grow/2020/08/18/5f978e76-e14f-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html

Interfering with mail delivery is a felony, and there have been grumblings about his actions rising to that level, given how egregious they are. Wonder if that had anything to do with it... Dude has got to know Trump won't shield him from potential prosecution forever...

[RandomGuy]

dur dee dur

Get off the stage, idiot.

[SnakeBoy]

muh Mailman

but only if Hidin Biden loses amirite?

[Will Hunting]

Interfering with mail delivery is a felony, and there have been grumblings about his actions rising to that level, given how egregious they are. Wonder if that had anything to do with it... Dude has got to know Trump won't shield him from potential prosecution forever...
I hope Trump does shield him but I think you’re right that he won’t. Imo Trump wants to burry this story and move past it so it’s ancient history by November, and he’ll happily throw Dejoy under the bus to accomplish it.

[koriwhat]

you progressive conspiracy theorists are hilariously retarded!

[clambake]

Joey doesn’t know what a conspiracy theory is.

[Trill Clinton]

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[ducks]

In fiscal year 2019, the USPS had a net loss of $8.8 billion and was $11 billion in debt. It relies on sales of goods and services and does not receive taxpayer dollars.
Sounds like No mail on Sunday and Wednesday mail be in order and no overtime is in order
That amazon deal on Sunday packages

[clambake]

Gerbilducks praying for a rigged election

[Spurs Homer]

In fiscal year 2019, the USPS had a net loss of $8.8 billion and was $11 billion in debt. It relies on sales of goods and services and does not receive taxpayer dollars.
Sounds like No mail on Sunday and Wednesday mail be in order and no overtime is in order
That amazon deal on Sunday packages


and you believe the guy who bankrupted casinos is the guy to fix the usps?


hahahahahaha!

[ducks]

and you believe the guy who bankrupted casinos is the guy to fix the usps?


hahahahahaha!

I think a person should buy it
The owner can not run it now

[boutons_deux]

‘Damage has already been done’:


in Kent County, ...

those mail processing machines have already been removed here,

she says there hasn’t been any overtime pay and

late trucks have not been able to go out,

which means First Class Mail has been delayed,

“Despite the postmaster general walking back some of those changes for the voters I’ve been talking to,

the damage has already been done.

“Those most concerned are Black voters here.

That’s also the population that has been most impacted by the virus,” Burns continued.

“Despite what I’m hearing from the community is

folks are not planning to vote by mail, but instead go in person.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/damage-has-already-been-done-top-postal-union-official-says-shes-never-seen-anything-like-dejoys-mail-slowdown/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/damage-has-already-been-done-top-postal-union-official-says-shes-never-seen-anything-like-dejoys-mail-slowdown/)

[DarrinS]

https://www.sott.net/image/s19/399676/full/clinton_tinfoil_hat.png

[Spurminator]

https://www.sott.net/image/s19/399676/full/clinton_tinfoil_hat.png

The President you are going to vote for (for the 2nd time), who believes 3 million illegal votes were cast in 2016 and continues to believe there will be a massive effort to steal the election via the mail, installed a crony to make sweeping changes before the election.

But it's the Democrats who are crazy!

[Winehole23]

muh Mailman

but only if Hidin Biden loses amirite?Nah, it's still fucked up and needs to be fixed.

Damage has already been done, tbh.

[DarrinS]

The President you are going to vote for (for the 2nd time), who believes 3 million illegal votes were cast in 2016 and continues to believe there will be a massive effort to steal the election via the mail, installed a crony to make sweeping changes before the election.

But it's the Democrats who are crazy!


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/louis-dejoy-new-postmaster-general/index.html

[Spurminator]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/louis-dejoy-new-postmaster-general/index.html

Are you trying to suggest the USPS Board is an independent body?

Maybe go look at who appoints the Board of Governors and come back with some semblance of an argument in your own words.

[Winehole23]

In fiscal year 2019, the USPS had a net loss of $8.8 billion and was $11 billion in debt. It relies on sales of goods and services and does not receive taxpayer dollars.
Sounds like No mail on Sunday and Wednesday mail be in order and no overtime is in order
That amazon deal on Sunday packagesIt'll blow your mind when you hear how much money the Pentagon loses track of.

[DMC]

The President you are going to vote for (for the 2nd time), who believes 3 million illegal votes were cast in 2016 and continues to believe there will be a massive effort to steal the election via the mail, installed a crony to make sweeping changes before the election.

But it's the Democrats who are crazy!

Do you think he's trying to steal the election?

[Winehole23]

Do you think he's trying to steal the election?What you think is going on here?

[Spurminator]

Do you think he's trying to steal the election?

I think he and other Republicans are trying to selectively influence the ease of voting in a way that favors him and other Republicans.

[DarrinS]

1295797407305863168

[pgardn]

I think he and other Republicans are trying to selectively influence the ease of voting in a way that favors him and other Republicans.

yes because Trump basically said this.

[Spurminator]

1295797407305863168

Mollie makes some great points here, thanks for posting.

1. The left's USPS conspiracy theory is insane.
2. The left's USPS conspiracy theory is deranged.
3. The left's USPS conspiracy theory is stupid.
4. 1-3 exist because Mollie says so.

Meanwhile...


The President you are going to vote for (for the 2nd time), who believes 3 million illegal votes were cast in 2016 and continues to believe there will be a massive effort to steal the election via the mail, installed a crony to make sweeping changes before the election.

[pgardn]

Are you trying to suggest the USPS Board is an independent body?

Maybe go look at who appoints the Board of Governors and come back with some semblance of an argument in your own words.

https://apple.news/At7UzytLBQTa3Exgb7xfndA

Mitch McConnell to the rescue.

pretty devious move by the red team again but props for the patience and creativity.
If blue team gets a chance to work in this manner, watch out.

[Will Hunting]

1295797407305863168
Aaaand why should any of us care what Mollie has to say :lol

[Spurminator]

KarrinS rushing to post a tweet that validates his insecure opinions despite the fact that it literally contains no information of substance.

Imagine having such a low self esteem.

[Will Hunting]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.moveon.org/images/IowaResults1.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.moveon.org/images/GeorgiaResults1.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.moveon.org/images/MaineResults1.pdf

Maine - 53% think Trump is intentionally sabotaging the post office to help his reelection chances (vs. 38% that think he isn't)
Georgia - 48% think Trump is intentionally sabotaging the post office to help his reelection chances (vs. 43% that think he isn't)
Iowa - 49% think Trump is intentionally sabotaging the post office to help his reelection chances (vs. 41% that think he isn't)

Meanwhile, a +30% majority of voters in all 3 states think Dejoy is conflicted and shouldn't be postmaster general.

Call Dems crazy for believing this "conspiracy theory" all you want, but voters in 2 states that Trump wins in nearly every plausible path to victory (as well as another state with a key senate race and a district that Trump is expecting 1 electoral college from) think this is Trump trying to influence an election.

[Winehole23]

1295797407305863168It fine to call everyone tinhat, but what's the straight version? Why do you think Trump was pushing so hard for USPS reform/reorganization?

Can you see any possible problems with doing so in an election year in which there is also a deadly pandemic?

[Will Hunting]

KarrinS rushing to post a tweet that validates his insecure opinions despite the fact that it literally contains no information of substance.

Imagine having such a low self esteem.
:lol what exactly did that retweet accomplish

"Hey, guess what, fucking MOLLIE has spoken, and she says the post office 'conspiracy theory' is a farce. Checkmate, liberals!"

[RandomGuy]

and you believe the guy who bankrupted casinos is the guy to fix the usps?


hahahahahaha!

USPS is fine. It isn't a business, it is public good, and we need to stop pretending it is a business.

Conservatives have essentially stabbed it in the back, forcing some hefty pension funding restrictions on it that no other entity private or corporate really has, with the sole purpose of driving it out of comission, privatizing it, and swooping in like fucking vultures.

Corrupt pieces of shit in the Trump party are drooling over the prospect of looting what amounts to a public utility.

[Winehole23]

It fine to call everyone tinhat, but what's the straight version? Why do you think Trump was pushing so hard for USPS reform/reorganization?

Can you see any possible problems with doing so in an election year in which there is also a deadly pandemic? DarrinS: if you have any notion as to how removing, dismantling or destroying 670 sorting machines improves USPS efficiency/profitability, I'm all ears.

No one ITT has ventured any explanation as to how the reported changes make the USPS better.

[DMC]

I think he and other Republicans are trying to selectively influence the ease of voting in a way that favors him and other Republicans.

So they are tampering with the election process?

[Winehole23]

So they are tampering with the election process?What do you think is going on here?

[DMC]

USPS is fine. It isn't a business, it is public good, and we need to stop pretending it is a business.

Conservatives have essentially stabbed it in the back, forcing some hefty pension funding restrictions on it that no other entity private or corporate really has, with the sole purpose of driving it out of comission, privatizing it, and swooping in like fucking vultures.

Corrupt pieces of shit in the Trump party are drooling over the prospect of looting what amounts to a public utility.

I probably needs to be privatized. This isn't the fucking pony express era. Where's the federally run telephone system or internet system?

[Spurminator]

So they are tampering with the election process?

I'm not really interested in a semantic argument, I've spelled out pretty plainly what I believe is happening.

Would you take issue if I said he was trying to steal the election? What would be your response? Hypothetically.

[DMC]

What do you think is going on here?

I asked a question.

[Winehole23]

I asked a question.Not to me.

Question pending: keep tap dancing.

[DMC]

I'm not really interested in a semantic argument, I've spelled out pretty plainly what I believe is happening.

Would you take issue if I said he was trying to steal the election? What would be your response? Hypothetically.

I wouldn't take issue. I would though understand that "trying to steal the election" isn't a unique conspiracy theory from the right.

[DMC]

Not to me.

Question pending: keep tap dancing.

Exactly. Keep stepping

[Winehole23]

^^^ demands answers, ducks questions

[DMC]

^^^ demands answers, ducks questions

Not from you

[Will Hunting]

I probably needs to be privatized. This isn't the fucking pony express era. Where's the federally run telephone system or internet system?
The pony express was a private enterprise that was not a federally sponsored service at all, while the USPS has been a government-run service that goes back to our founding fathers. Benjamin Franklin was the first post master general. Your reference to the "pony express era" makes absolutely no sense in the context if everything else you said.

Regardless, the USPS would also struggle as a private enterprise if it was forced by a congressional mandate to charge flat rates that were agnostic to location.

[Winehole23]

...

[Spurminator]

I wouldn't take issue. I would though understand that "trying to steal the election" isn't a unique conspiracy theory from the right.

I didn't say it was.

But enthusiastically supporting the current Presidential incumbent who has repeatedly expressed such a conspiracy theory is unique to the right. Until that changes, any indignance from the right over liberals who believe such a thing is pretty hollow. But that's not new either.

[Spurminator]

The pony express was a private enterprise that was not a federally sponsored service at all, while the USPS has been a government-run service that goes back to our founding fathers. Benjamin Franklin was the first post master general. Your reference to the "pony express era" makes absolutely no sense in the context if everything else you said.

Regardless, the USPS would also struggle as a private enterprise if it was forced by a congressional mandate to charge flat rates that were agnostic to location.

Conservatives love government intrusion on business when it helps their big businesses of choice.

Call me old fashioned but I still enjoy sending and receiving birthday cards, mother's day cards, and other cards through my very own box in front of the house. I don't get that excited about the idea of driving to the UPS store so I can spend $4 to send a mother's day card.

[Will Hunting]

There's over 500 rural communities in this country without direct access to a pharmacy, and virtually all of those communities get prescriptions via the USPS. If you handed that service over to private enterprise, it would gouge the shit out of those rural communities knowing they have no alternative way to get their prescriptions.

Amazon also relies on USPS to deliver to rural areas. Take that away and buying shit on Amazon becomes a lot more expensive for rural Americans, not a fucking chance Amazon continues giving all of its prime members free shipping if it doesn't have a public service that helps it deliver to rural areas.

Part of me thinks fuck 'em, if these inbred rural mutants are too stupid to help themselves and support a billionaire charleton who's policies will only make it harder for rural Americans to survive, why should I care about helping them?

[baseline bum]

KarrinS rushing to post a tweet that validates his insecure opinions despite the fact that it literally contains no information of substance.

Imagine having such a low self esteem.

Fucking Trump said he was doing it and Karrin still wants to call it a conspiracy theory.

[baseline bum]

There's over 500 rural communities in this country without direct access to a pharmacy, and virtually all of those communities get prescriptions via the USPS. If you handed that service over to private enterprise, it would gouge the shit out of those rural communities knowing they have no alternative way to get their prescriptions.

Amazon also relies on USPS to deliver to rural areas. Take that away and buying shit on Amazon becomes a lot more expensive for rural Americans, not a fucking chance Amazon continues giving all of its prime members free shipping if it doesn't have a public service that helps it deliver to rural areas.

Part of me thinks fuck 'em, if these inbred rural mutants are too stupid to help themselves and support a billionaire charleton who's policies will only make it harder for rural Americans to survive, why should I care about helping them?

Agreed with the last paragraph, though I'd say I fully and not partly think fuck them. WTF do the Democrats get out of trying to help rural populations here? It would be funny to pull out of rural areas so people in cities no longer have to subsidize these people who will still hate them anyways.

[Will Hunting]

Agreed with the last paragraph, though I'd say I fully and not partly think fuck them. WTF do the Democrats get out of trying to help rural populations here? It would be funny to pull out of rural areas so people in cities no longer have to subsidize these people who will still hate them anyways.
I say partially in this particular context because the post office employs close to 1,000,000 people and a big chunk of them are without work if you hand the USPS over to le happy merchant. I also think that even if it happens, the rural bumfucks will blame Democrats for it, so there isn't much of a gain.

[baseline bum]

I say partially in this particular context because the post office employs close to 1,000,000 people and a big chunk of them are without work if you hand the USPS over to le happy merchant. I also think that even if it happens, the rural bumfucks will blame Democrats for it, so there isn't much of a gain.

I didn't say sell the USPS off. Just only operate USPS for population centers. The rural postal workers can bootstrap too since rural communities don't appreciate being subsidized by cities. Rural America can be served by the new Le Happy Merchant Parcel Service that swoops in once the USPS abandons these unprofitable areas. It's win/win.

[Will Hunting]

Outside of a rogue voter here and there, can Republicans show me any recent instance where the Democratic Party, a Democratic politiian/candidate, his/her staff, or a company hired by him/her engaged in voter fraud?

As for Republicans -
In 2018, there was North Carolina District 9, where they had to conduct another election because the Republican candidate was involved with illegal ballot harvesting
In 2012, the RNC got in trouble for using Strategic Allied Consulting, a Conservative voter registration firm where 3 employees eventually pled guilty to destroying voter registration forms
In 2019, Kansas GOP Rep Steve Watkins used a UPS Store as his address in order to vote in a municipal election

This only includes cases that resulted in charges and/or have been admitted. There's plenty of other instances, like in 2018 when Brian Kemp oversaw his own election and had 52,000 voter registration forms (primarily African Americans) trashed because of ticky tacky information discrepancies.

The constant crying about voter fraud by conservatives is a blatant case of projecting. Conservatives assume Democrats are looking to cheat left and right because cheating whenever they can is what conservatives do to win elections.

[boutons_deux]

"rural communities don't appreciate being subsidized by cities."

what? :lol link

ranchers sure love grazing public lands for free or almost free

[Winehole23]

What's the good government rationale for this recent rule change?

(not rhetorical)


In a nationwide rule change that went unnoticed this summer, the U.S. Postal Service has forbidden employees from signing absentee ballots as witnesses while on duty. The change could make it more difficult for Alaskans, particularly rural residents, to vote by mail.

In Alaska and several other states, absentee ballots must be signed by a witness who can verify that a ballot was legitimately filled out by a particular voter. Without a signature, the ballot will not be counted.

Alaska’s ballot instructions say to “have your signature witnessed by an authorized official or, if no official is reasonably available, by someone 18 years of age or older.”

It lists postal officials as an example of an authorized official, but many Alaska voters said postal clerks told them they were forbidden from signing ballots.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/08/18/in-rule-change-postal-service-forbids-employees-from-signing-absentee-ballots-as-witnesses/

[Will Hunting]

What's the good government rationale for this recent rule change?

(not rhetorical)

https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/08/18/in-rule-change-postal-service-forbids-employees-from-signing-absentee-ballots-as-witnesses/

Not sure how Trump supporters will reply to this, but I'm certain the response won't include a good faith explanation for why they would make that rule change.

[Winehole23]

Not sure how Trump supporters will reply to this, but I'm certain the response won't include a good faith explanation for why they would make that rule change.Taken by itself, this isn't much. Hard to imagine it will have a big impact, but we do know that a difference of 77,000 votes in three states essentially determined the EC majority in 2016.

[Will Hunting]

Taken by itself, this isn't much. Hard to imagine it will have a big impact, but we do know that a difference of 77,000 votes in three states essentially decided the direction in 2016.
Taken by itself it might not change that many votes, but it flies in the face of Dejoy's claim that the changes he made at the USPS have nothing to do with the election. This rule change has at most a de minimis impact on cost reduction but clearly makes it difficult for certain voters.

[Winehole23]

backstory for those who need it:


In 2005, [Sen. Susan Collins] sponsored and introduced (https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/662?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22postal+accountability%2 2%7D&s=1&r=4) legislation, the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA), that required the USPS to pre-pay the next 50 years worth of health and retirement benefits for all of its employees—a rule that no other federal agency must follow. As chair of the Senate oversight panel at the time, she shepherded the bill’s passage, along with her House GOP counterpart Tom Davis, during a lame-duck session of Congress. It passed by a voice vote without any objections—a maneuver that gave members little time to consider what they were doing.


https://kwtri4b8r0ep8ho61118ipob-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/paea.-signing-300x189.jpg



To meet the mandate for prefunding USPS’s health and retirement benefits, the measure required the Postal Service to place roughly $5.5 billion into a pension fund every year between 2007 and 2016, followed by sizable additional payments, making it impossible for the institution to run a profit. To make it even harder for the USPS to make money, the law prohibited the agency from any new activities outside of delivering mail. In an essay for the Washington Monthly last year, New Jersey Congressman Bill Pascrell, who voted for the bill, called (https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/april-may-june-2019/congress-is-sabotaging-your-post-office/) it “one of the worst pieces of legislation Congress has passed in a generation.”

That’s because it saddled the institution with debt that no other government agency—or private company—is responsible for. At the same time, it effectively blocked the USPS from taking advantage of new opportunities to provide services and garner revenue when it needed to make up for losses stemming from declines in first-class mail due to the rise of the Internet and email.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/18/susan-collins-engineered-the-usps-disaster-shes-now-protesting/

[boutons_deux]

backstory for those who need it:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/18/susan-collins-engineered-the-usps-disaster-shes-now-protesting/

Will the Dems, if they win the Senate and WH, repeal Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA)?

My guess is no. They simply don't have the balls.

Repugs create the status quo, and fucking Dems meekly go along.

[Winehole23]

Will the Dems, if they win the Senate and WH, repeal Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA)?

My guess is no. They simply don't have the balls.

Repugs create the status quo, and fucking Dems meekly go along.


Now would be a great time time to beef up the USPS, if Biden/Harris were interested in policy that is beneficial and popular.

There's not much sign of that in the media messaging or the convention so far.

[RandomGuy]

I probably needs to be privatized. This isn't the fucking pony express era. Where's the federally run telephone system or internet system?

It does not need to be privatized. It was never meant to be profitable. It is a public good, not that you understand that specific economics term any better than "excess deaths" :lol

About the only thing privatization would do is line the pockets of the corrupt elite donors of the Republican party, and make service more expensive and shittier.

Please explain how adding short-term focus on "shareholder value" and 20-30% profit margin requirements ON TOP OF all the other expenses will magically make everything better.

[Winehole23]

If true, pretty much confirms DeJoy is a hitman.

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[Winehole23]

DeJoy is still doing it. This is in Grand Rapids today.

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[Reck]

If true, pretty much confirms DeJoy is a hitman.

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Needs to be put in jail. Clear case of fraud.

[Winehole23]

Sounds about right

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[Winehole23]

Does increased turnout or mail in voting favor Dems?

No idea, I've seen nothing suggesting so, but Trump sure seems to think so.

[Will Hunting]

Does increased turnout or mail in voting favor Dems?

No idea, I've seen nothing suggesting so, but Trump sure seems to think so.
I'm not convinced we're going to see increased voter turnout even if mail-in voting is made easier. The Democratic Convention's TV ratings have been abysmal so far despite the fact more people are sitting at home watching TV.

Truth be told, voter suppression works because Americans are fucking lazy and will quickly give up on something if they have to deal with any semblance of bureaucracy.

[Reck]

Does increased turnout or mail in voting favor Dems?

No idea, I've seen nothing suggesting so, but Trump sure seems to think so.

Not sure about favoring but dems plan on voting by mail by the tune of 60+ percent. Biden is doing about 30 points better than Trump on who's going to vote by mail and who will vote early according to an NBC poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/siloed-nbc-wsj-poll-shows-how-gop-dems-hold-widely-n1236958

Unsurpisingly, Trump voters will bypass it in favor on showing up election day. Interesting breakdown here.

[boutons_deux]

Does increased turnout or mail in voting favor Dems?

No idea, I've seen nothing suggesting so, but Trump sure seems to think so.

I think in general the consensus would be that high turnout favor the Dems because they are more numerous in the population compared to the Fringe Republicans

Trash shed mail-in ballots would be the end of Republican winning office so I'm pretty sure some Republican put that in his empty head

I

[RandomGuy]

Does increased turnout or mail in voting favor Dems?

No idea, I've seen nothing suggesting so, but Trump sure seems to think so.

Everything I have seen suggests it is a wash, or slightly favors Republicans.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.sott.net/image/s19/399676/full/clinton_tinfoil_hat.png

Translation:
"Hur dee dur, I'm Darrin and the best I can do is make fun of muh Hillary. I'm too stupid to recognize the danger and corruption Trump represents."

[RandomGuy]

Come on TSA

You sack of shit coward, get in here and explain why this is ok.

TSA still awol.

Says all you need to know when the sack of shit with the biggest lip lock on Trumps ass won't defend it.

[Will Hunting]

TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640) still awol.

Says all you need to know when the sack of shit with the biggest lip lock on Trumps ass won't defend it.
There's no point, you're never going to get a Trumper to engage in a good faith discussion about this.

[Winehole23]

There's no point, you're never going to get a Trumper to engage in a good faith discussion about this.There have been zero attempts to do so.

[DarrinS]

:lmao

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[Spurminator]

Love to laugh at the Dems and their crazy conspiracy theories while enthusiastically voting for this person to be my President.

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[Winehole23]

:lmaoWhat's your take on DeJoy destroying sorting machines and slowing down the post office this year?

Is there any good faith explanation you're aware of?

If so, please do share, it would be the very first one offered ITT.

[Reck]

Love to laugh at the Dems and their crazy conspiracy theories while enthusiastically voting for this person to be my President.

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It's all nervous laughter.

Or Karrin just has a unique sense of humor. The cringe kind.

[Winehole23]

Gonna keep posting examples until someone can offer a decent bureaucratic rationale for ostensible sabotage. No one has yet.

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[boutons_deux]

I think in general the consensus would be that high turnout favor the Dems because they are more numerous in the population compared to the Fringe Republicans

Trash said mail-in ballots would be the end of Republican winning office so I'm pretty sure some Republican put that in his empty head


Quote from Paul Weyrich, founder of Heritage stink tank and other oligarchy orgs

"I don’t want everybody to vote.

Elections are not won by a majority of the people.

They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now.

As a matter of fact,

our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

[koriwhat]

this outrage is so manufactured and you idiots have eaten it up just like russiagate, ukrainegate, et al. lmao zombies

[Spurs Homer]

this outrage is so manufactured and you idiots have eaten it up just like russiagate, ukrainegate, et al. lmao zombies


I bet if your alley homeless butt-buddy that gives you drugs for you blowing him in the alley -

dies of aids or gerbil anal infections -

you will care about the USPS if you need to have your drugs delivered on time?

[Will Hunting]

This is unreal:

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Explain this Trumptards, why would Dejoy announce no additional mailboxes were going to be removed only to keep removing mailboxes? What's the ultimately purpose behind lying to the American people?

[koriwhat]

I bet if your alley homeless butt-buddy that gives you drugs for you blowing him in the alley -

dies of aids or gerbil anal infections -

you will care about the USPS if you need to have your drugs delivered on time?

do you read the stupid shit you post? you come off as such a pussy. you and your stupid fucking druggy bullshit is nothing more than a smoke screen to hide behind how much of a pussy you truly are you fucking maddow russiagate faggot. :tu

[koriwhat]

This is unreal:

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Explain this Trumptards, why would Dejoy announce no additional mailboxes were going to be removed only to keep removing mailboxes? What's the ultimately purpose behind lying to the American people?

explain this... why did obama get rid of mailboxes and why's that shitty ex nba'er chapman outraged over a photo of mailboxes from when obama was in office?

[Will Hunting]

explain this... why did obama get rid of mailboxes and why's that shitty ex nba'er chapman outraged over a photo of mailboxes from when obama was in office?
Go fuck yourself Joey, I asked my question first.

[ChumpDumper]

explain this... why did obama get rid of mailboxes and why's that shitty ex nba'er chapman outraged over a photo of mailboxes from when obama was in office?That wasn't in the middle of a pandemic where people wanted to vote by mail so they won't die or kill their grandparents.

Anything else?

[koriwhat]

Go fuck yourself Joey, I asked my question first.

ah boohoo ya pussy!

[Will Hunting]

Trumptards are now 0 for 1 on providing a good faith serious answer to my question.

[Winehole23]

This is how the GOP is fixing the USPS.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-20/usps-cutbacks-post-office-chaos

[Winehole23]

David Williams, former USPS Board of Governors vice Chair and former USPS IG, drops bombs on Mnuchin and DeJoy

https://prospect.org/api/amp/politics/top-postal-service-official-details-mnuchin-extortion-effort/

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Mnuchin specifically wanted mailboxes removed. This is stunning.

[Winehole23]

:lmao Mnuchin specifically wanted mailboxes removed. This is stunning.
Mnuchin/DeJoy seem to have been operating as a proxies for UPS, Fed-Ex and Amazon.

DeJoy is still 30-75 million dollars deep in USPS competitors; there's no way he would have passed the background check.

[Reck]

There's no way he shows up to testify tomorrow.

[Winehole23]

There's no way he shows up to testify tomorrow.Has the schedule changed? I thought DeJoy was going to the House on Monday.

[Will Hunting]

Has the schedule changed? I thought DeJoy was going to the House on Monday.
He is. There’s a protest outside his apartment scheduled Sunday night :lol

[Reck]

Has the schedule changed? I thought DeJoy was going to the House on Monday.

Yeah he is uspposed to go to a senate hearing tomorrow and house on Monday.

Trump had a little nice meltdown about it.

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[Winehole23]

There's some skullduggery here for sure, but it were well to keep mind that -- supposing no drastic harm befalls the USPS between now and November--the USPS should be able to handle mail in voting, supposing it doesn't all come at once, at the last moment.

The point of the exercise would seem to be (a) degrading the USPS so as to benefit its competitors and and bring about its eventual privatization and, (b) discouraging votes by mail.

[Winehole23]

Yeah he is uspposed to go to a senate hearing tomorrow and house on Monday.

Trump had a little nice meltdown about it.

1296104752284082176ah, thanks

[Winehole23]

sidebar: Uber moving quickly to take over prescription deliveries. Pilots in two cities either have started or will soon.

[Reck]

What did he say?

You dont see the tweet embedded in that post?

Basically whining about why republicans are letting democrats making him testify during his his convention.

[Winehole23]

You dont see the tweet embedded in that post?I didn't at first, for some reason did it not appear until I refreshed the page.

Thanks.

[Winehole23]

writing is on the wall

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[Will Hunting]

I'm fine with geographic pricing. Fuck these retards in North Dakota, it's getting old subsidizing them with tax dollars when all they do is run the country into the ground blindly voting Republican.

[baseline bum]

He is. There’s a protest outside his apartment scheduled Sunday night :lol

Won't mean shit unless you guys bring nooses.

[Will Hunting]

Won't mean shit unless you guys bring nooses.
If I knew where the window to his condo was located so you could see it from the outside, I'd bring a molotov cocktail (I don't know though, so I'm not bringing one, in case any NSA agent is reading this).

[boutons_deux]

Mnuchin/DeJoy seem to have been operating as a proxies for UPS, Fed-Ex and Amazon.

DeJoy is still 30-75 million dollars deep in USPS competitors; there's no way he would have passed the background check.

Dejoy only had to bass the USPS board.

McConnell blocked ALL of Obama's nominations to the USPS board, so it didn't have a quorum.

Then Trash got to pollute the USPS board with his own toady shitbags.

Repugs/oligarchy strategy of killing/privatizing the USPS goes back to Kock Bros in the 1970s.

[Spurs Homer]

Dejerkoff on the hot seat right now-

looks shaky- especially when asked about Mnuchin

[Will Hunting]

Dejerkoff on the hot seat right now-

looks shaky- especially when asked about Mnuchin
It sucks that it’s virtual. Hopefully next week it’s in person testimony.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

local interest

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[Reck]

As I suspected, this hearing is a sham. We need to actually go out and protest if we want something done.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

been awhile since I dropped in @ EW


I don’t think Trump cares any more if the Republican party is torched in November. I think chaos https://ew.com/books/author-interviews/the-postman-trump-david-brin/

[Winehole23]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzQwNDk4MDM1OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjE3ODA3._V1_U Y268_CR13,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

[Winehole23]

I get that the opportunity to set the narrative can't really be passed up, but the Senate is doing DeJoy no favors by creating a record today for the House Homeland Security committee to study over the weekend.

[Will Hunting]

I didn’t read the full article, but I agree Trump’s view is that he loses, he’s fine with taking the GOP down with him and causing it to get destroyed in the senate. If Trump wasn’t such a petty megalomaniac who cries every time a Republican doesn’t agree with him on everything, I think the senate races in AZ NC and IA would all be lean Republican vs. toss up or likely Democrat, and the senate races in GA or KS wouldn’t even be close.

[Winehole23]

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[Will Hunting]

Perfect, they're seeking injunctive relief, exactly what needs to happen.

[Reck]

Am I the only one getting aol dial up speed or are we just dealing with the legendary Slovenian ST servers again?

[Winehole23]

Am I the only one getting aol dial up speed or are we just dealing with the legendary Slovenian ST servers again?yep. me too.

[Winehole23]

Romney was genial and jocular. Really buttered up DeJoy, but emphasizd the USPS's responsibilities.

[boutons_deux]

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin has big plans for the Postal Service.

None of them are good

As leader of the White House task force (https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm566) to overhaul the agency, Mnuchin's role appears to be total.

Mnuchin had a hand in the recent removal (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/14/people-are-freaking-out-about-mailbox-removals-postal-service-says-its-routine/) of iconic blue mailboxes across the country.

Williams called removal of the blue boxes (https://twitter.com/JHWeissmann/status/1296565827291025409) "the most interesting of all," saying his understanding was that "Secretary Mnuchin wanted that done."

Williams said:

"I asked the Postal Service about it, and they said it wouldn't save anything.

And there would be no reason to remove those.

I'm not sure how it went from that, several weeks ago, to where

they're being uprooted from all over."

the agency saved absolutely no money by dismantling the mail sorting machines, but it did sacrifice its capacity to deal with high-volume surges.

"Removing those is thinning out the Postal Service's ability to redirect mail in an incident like that."

there was no financial benefit to removing mailboxes or dismantling sorting machines—

the only upside is the downside of making USPS less efficient.

that appears to be the motivation (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/20/1970956/-House-Democrats-need-to-haul-Mnuchin-in-to-testify-about-his-role-in-Postal-Service-sabotage) behind just about every change Mnuchin has pushed for and Postmaster General Louis DeJoy has implemented.

Mnuchin's goal (https://www.citizensforethics.org/mnuchin-pushed-dejoy-appointment-usps-pricing-changes/) was to make USPS less competitive in relation to UPS and FedEx.

In Mnuchin’s letter to the board of governors, he had requested an analysis of USPS’s “pricing structure in the e-commerce ground package delivery market.”

He mentioned that FedEx experienced a decline in operating results because of the competitive pricing environment.

It seems that Mnuchin was angling for higher USPS prices, not just to keep the agency solvent but also

to give a boost to UPS and FedEx, companies with close ties to the Trump administration.

USPS is supposed to be an independent, apolitical organization, as stated in its charter.

So any involvement by Mnuchin or the White House in decisions at the agency is a violation of its charter.

Mnuchin has taken an active role in decisions at the agency right from the start, beginning with Donald Trump's four Republican appointees to the agency's board of governors having to meet with Mnuchin before confirmation in order to "kiss the ring."

Mnuchin stayed in active contact with the GOP board members, relaying either his approval or disappointment with their performance,

, Mnuchin personally blocked lawmakers’ efforts (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/11/post-office-bailout-trump/) to simply grant the money to agency, and then for months he stalled release of the money.

When Mnuchin finally did release the funding late last month,

he only did so according to terms that required the Postal Service to disclose its proprietary service agreements with Amazon and other companies to the Treasury Department.

In other words,

Mnuchin held the funding hostage until he could get the proprietary information he wanted from the Postal Service.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/21/1971185/-Treasury-chief-Steve-Mnuchin-s-paw-prints-are-all-over-the-deliberate-sabotaging-of-USPS

[RandomGuy]

There's some skullduggery here for sure, but it were well to keep mind that -- supposing no drastic harm befalls the USPS between now and November--the USPS should be able to handle mail in voting, supposing it doesn't all come at once, at the last moment.

The point of the exercise would seem to be (a) degrading the USPS so as to benefit its competitors and and bring about its eventual privatization and, (b) discouraging votes by mail.

in that order.

The only organizing principle is grift.

[RandomGuy]

Exactly. Keep stepping


I probably needs to be privatized. This isn't the fucking pony express era. Where's the federally run telephone system or internet system?


It does not need to be privatized. It was never meant to be profitable. It is a public good, not that you understand that specific economics term any better than "excess deaths" :lol

About the only thing privatization would do is line the pockets of the corrupt elite donors of the Republican party, and make service more expensive and shittier.

Please explain how adding short-term focus on "shareholder value" and 20-30% profit margin requirements ON TOP OF all the other expenses will magically make everything better.

[crickets]

yeah, that's what I thought.

TSA still too chickenshit to defend this grift.

[Will Hunting]

The lawsuits are piling up. One filed by the states, one filed by the NAACP, and one class action by several NY residents.

I’d still like to see one name Dejoy in his individual capacity (not in his capacity has post master general) claiming his actions were outside the scope of his duties as postmaster general and were to advance his own personal interests as an Amazon stockholder. Might as well throw Mnuchin in there while you’re at it. If Dejoy sees his personal finances are at risk that could force him to resign.

[boutons_deux]

No one is getting hit harder by Trump's USPS sabotage than rural voters—the GOP's most loyal base (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/21/1971240/-No-one-is-getting-hit-harder-by-Trump-s-USPS-sabotage-than-rural-voters-the-GOP-s-most-loyal-base)

The politics for Trump and his Republican enablers heading into November simply cannot be good.

Democratic Sen. Jon Tester of Montana, a largely rural state, has received 4,800 calls about Postal Service problems since the pandemic began,

Tester told the outlet,

“It’s worse than it’s ever been. ... It’s hurting rural America. It makes no sense whatsoever.”

smaller mom-and-pop farms and people with backyard hen houses have relied on USPS to deliver their chicks for decades and usually without incident.

many small farms are now dispatching workers to drive hundreds of miles to pick up their chicks straight from the source, but it's a much more expensive and less sustainable option.

“This is an attack on a tried-and-true service that rural America depends on,”

“It pulls one more piece of stability, predictability and reliability from rural America. People don’t like that.”

The abrupt policy changes at the agency have

wreaked havoc on everything from plant shipments

to replacement parts for farm machines

to prescription drug refills.

“My business isn’t political, but it depends on the economy and political leadership,”

“I don’t have a leader who’s doing anything to help my businesses thrive.”

recent survey of rural voters...

57% of these likely rural voters said they would be less likely to support a candidate who reduced the budget for the Postal Service or privatized it, including 43% of Republicans.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1971240

Mnunchin / Dejoy / Trash DON'T FUCKING CARE

All those small farmers who get wiped out? Means more business for the BigContributors of BigAg

[boutons_deux]

‘Flat-out lied’:

Elizabeth Warren and a lot of other people sure think Louis DeJoy committed perjury

Elizabeth Warren
@SenWarren

(https://twitter.com/SenWarren?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembe d%7Ctwterm%5E1296860359211524104%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2020%2F08 %2Fflat-out-lied-elizabeth-warren-and-a-lot-of-other-people-sure-think-louis-dejoy-committed-perjury%2F)Louis DeJoy flat-out lied to the Senate today about the changes he’s implemented at the @USPS (https://twitter.com/USPS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ct wterm%5E1296860359211524104%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2020%2F08 %2Fflat-out-lied-elizabeth-warren-and-a-lot-of-other-people-sure-think-louis-dejoy-committed-perjury%2F),

refused to cooperate with requests for documents, and

rejected the idea of fixing his damage.

Enough is enough: the Board of Governors must remove DeJoy & reverse his acts of sabotage.

12:22 PM · Aug 21, 2020 (https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1296860359211524104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1296860359211524104%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2020%2F08 %2Fflat-out-lied-elizabeth-warren-and-a-lot-of-other-people-sure-think-louis-dejoy-committed-perjury%2F)

============

One of apparently several issues: DeJoy’s testimony about overtime.
(https://twitter.com/intent/like?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ct wterm%5E1296860359211524104%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2020%2F08 %2Fflat-out-lied-elizabeth-warren-and-a-lot-of-other-people-sure-think-louis-dejoy-committed-perjury%2F&tweet_id=1296860359211524104)
“Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said today during his testimony that he has not cut postal workers’ overtime,” MSNBC (https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/contradicting-dejoy-s-claims-usps-internal-documents-show-how-overtime-has-been-limited-90437189925) reports.

“But an internal USPS document show how

policy changes prohibit ‘extra’ or ‘late’ trips and

mandating that carriers ‘return on time.'”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/flat-out-lied-elizabeth-warren-and-a-lot-of-other-people-sure-think-louis-dejoy-committed-perjury/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/flat-out-lied-elizabeth-warren-and-a-lot-of-other-people-sure-think-louis-dejoy-committed-perjury/)

The entire Trash Exec and his mafiya nothing a HUGE FUCK YOU AMERICA

[boutons_deux]

Warnings of DeJoy Scheme

to 'Kill Postal Banking' as

USPS Reportedly Considering Plan to Let Wall St Set Up ATMs in Post Offices

"What JPMorgan Chase wants to do looks like another attempt for big banks and corporations to privatize our public infrastructure so their shareholders gain while working families suffer."

JPMorgan Chase, the largest financial institution in the United States, is reportedly in talks with the U.S. Postal Service about a proposal

to set up ATMs in post offices in several states across the country—

a plan critics warned is an effort to eliminate the possibility of a public postal banking system.

DeJoy ... is "considering a proposal from JPMorgan Chase (JPM) to offer banking services in post offices in a move that could give the Wall Street giant an exclusive right to solicit postal customers."

big banks have long been fervently opposed to the idea of a USPS-provided banking system.

"Banks oppose the idea of postal banking because it would represent another source of competition for them."

the plan being explored by JPMorgan Chase and the USPS

"would be no more than a rental of ATM space in exchange for the elimination of a potential rival before it gets going."

"This wouldn't expand services for the unbanked,

wouldn't change the terms that put big bank financial services out of reach for poorer people,"

"It's designed just to stop postal banking from being offered with an exclusivity agreement.

It's more an antitrust violation than a deal."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/20/warnings-dejoy-scheme-kill-postal-banking-usps-reportedly-considering-plan-let-wall (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/20/warnings-dejoy-scheme-kill-postal-banking-usps-reportedly-considering-plan-let-wall)

Of course, Dejoy will do this deal.

The oligarchy fucking America into unfuckability is unstoppable

[RandomGuy]

Won't mean shit unless you guys bring nooses.

guillotine.gif

[DarrinS]

embarassing.gif

[boutons_deux]

“IT LOOKS LIKE THEY’RE TARGETING BLUE URBAN AREAS”:

NEW POSTAL SERVICE PLAN IS SETTING OFF ELECTION ALARMS

the Expedited to Street/Afternoon Sortation (ESAS) program, the initiative, launched by the post office on July 25,

focuses on more than 1,200 zip codes zones around the country.

“It looks like they’re targeting blue urban areas,”

“If this is true, we have never seen this level of partisan weaponizing of the post office.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/new-postal-service-plan-is-setting-off-election-alarms (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/new-postal-service-plan-is-setting-off-election-alarms?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_082220&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_082220&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117770669_1011548459274748_5642272680992410645_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1OAIcHNV4Y0AX-QaCqj&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=0e2e44d518e64b1ee971a94ed7bafa06&oe=5F6591B9

[Winehole23]

“IT LOOKS LIKE THEY’RE TARGETING BLUE URBAN AREAS”:

NEW POSTAL SERVICE PLAN IS SETTING OFF ELECTION ALARMS

the Expedited to Street/Afternoon Sortation (ESAS) program, the initiative, launched by the post office on July 25,

focuses on more than 1,200 zip codes zones around the country.

“It looks like they’re targeting blue urban areas,”

“If this is true, we have never seen this level of partisan weaponizing of the post office.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/new-postal-service-plan-is-setting-off-election-alarms (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/new-postal-service-plan-is-setting-off-election-alarms?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_082220&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_082220&utm_term=VYF_Hive)


tHaTS wHeRE tHe MoSt pEEpul are

[Will Hunting]

“IT LOOKS LIKE THEY’RE TARGETING BLUE URBAN AREAS”:

NEW POSTAL SERVICE PLAN IS SETTING OFF ELECTION ALARMS

the Expedited to Street/Afternoon Sortation (ESAS) program, the initiative, launched by the post office on July 25,

focuses on more than 1,200 zip codes zones around the country.

“It looks like they’re targeting blue urban areas,”

“If this is true, we have never seen this level of partisan weaponizing of the post office.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/new-postal-service-plan-is-setting-off-election-alarms (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/new-postal-service-plan-is-setting-off-election-alarms?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_082220&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_082220&utm_term=VYF_Hive)



They're fucking over rural voters too, intentionally or unintentionally

This looks like a directive that's been carried out by Dejoy with gross incompetence.

[boutons_deux]

tHaTS wHeRE tHe MoSt pEEpul are

that's where the Dems are, in blue cities, esp in cities in battleground/swing states.

[Winehole23]

Not much detail

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/22/washington-postal-workers-defy-usps-orders-and-reinstall-mail-sorting-machines/amp/

[Winehole23]

https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/new-postal-service-documents-show-nationwide-delays-far-worse-than-postal

[boutons_deux]

New documents show postal delays are ‘far worse’ than previously known

The documents released by Maloney show

a 7 to 9% decline in mail delivery going back to July. including in First-Class, Marketing, Periodicals, and Priority Mail.

DeJoy, a donor to President Trump and the first postmaster general to not be a career postal worker, took over USPS in June.

The Postmaster General and his top aides have never admitted to the sweeping delays and reductions in service caused by his actions and detailed in these new documents.

the top Republican on the Oversight Committee, Rep. James Comer, testified repeatedly before the House Rules Committee that there are “no delays (https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/house-republicans-claim-there-are-no-delays-at-postal-service)” with the mail and “no data” proving the delays are real.

Two days earlier, Comer and House Republican leaders Kevin McCarthy and Steve Scalise sent a letter (https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/maloney-responds-to-baseless-gop-claims-of-democratic-conspiracy-theory) to Chairwoman Maloney and Speaker Nancy Pelosi arguing that

nationwide reports of delays are nothing but

“conspiracy theories” being “manufactured” by Democrats

to “undermine President Trump” and

support “an unnecessary bailout plan.” :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/new-documents-show-postal-delays-are-far-worse-than-previously-known/

[boutons_deux]

Postal workers are speaking out to save our democracy (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/22/1971027/-Postal-workers-are-speaking-out-to-save-our-democracy-this-week-in-the-war-on-workers)

“You don’t just go and tell management, ‘Hey, I saw that. That’s not allowed,’ ” Scott Adams, an American Postal Workers Union local president in Maine told the Portland Press-Herald’s Bill Nemitz.

“At some point you have to hold their feet to the fire and say,

‘I’m telling you, and I have been telling you, you follow the rules.

And when you don’t, we’re blowing it up.’”

in the Milwaukee area where workers organized and refused to follow the new rules (https://labornotes.org/2020/08/milwaukee-area-letter-carriers-are-refusing-go-along-mail-delays).

“Can the union do something specifically about what machines they have or don’t have in the post office? No.

Can the union be part of a movement to share with the public what’s really going on and

be part of a movement for change?

We’ve seen that in the last month.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/22/1971027/-Postal-workers-are-speaking-out-to-save-our-democracy-this-week-in-the-war-on-workers (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/22/1971027/-Postal-workers-are-speaking-out-to-save-our-democracy-this-week-in-the-war-on-workers)

Will Trash/Barr send their goons to punish postal staff who refuse to sabotage what they have built?

[Winehole23]

embarassing.gifvery

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Mail%20Delays.png

[Will Hunting]

Questioning underway. Washed up Democrats asking stupid questions and failing to make the most of their time per par.

Wish I could fast forward to the part where AOC and Porter and ask questions.

[Winehole23]

Questioning underway. Washed up Democrats asking stupid questions and failing to make the most of their time per par.

Wish I could fast forward to the part where AOC and Porter and ask questions.Lynch is killing it, but I disagree with him about sending notice of late election mail, that's proper disclosure.

[Will Hunting]

Lynch is killing it, but I disagree with him about sending notice of late election mail, that's proper disclosure.
Yeah lynch was great, but he should have left himself time to actually ask questions :lol

[Winehole23]

Gym Jordan foregrounding voter roll maintenance and ballot security.

Hilarous hypothetical. Gym Jordan is suggesting the post office delivers stacks of ballots to single occupants, drop boxes and abandoned properties; he just extracted an admission from DeJoy that he can't prevent it from happening.

[Will Hunting]

Gym Jordan foregrounding voter roll maintenance and ballot security.

Hilarous hypothetical. Gym Jordan is suggesting the post office delivers stacks of ballots to single occupants, drop boxes and abandoned properties; he just extracted an admission from DeJoy that he can't prevent it from happening.
That was Gary Palmer, not Gym Jordan. Anxious to hear from Jordan though :lol

[Winehole23]

That was Gary Palmer, not Gym Jordan. Anxious to hear from Jordan though :lol
didn't have the screen up, Palmer was screwy enough to fool me.

thanks for the heads up!

[Winehole23]

Yeah lynch was great, but he should have left himself time to actually ask questions :lol


“A postal employee can be prosecuted for delaying the mail, but you can delay ALL the mail and get away with it?

[Winehole23]

DeJoy is horrible at this

[Will Hunting]

It’s Gym time!

[Will Hunting]

Gym Jordan is a one trick pony at these hearings.

[Spurs Homer]

Krishnamoorthi dude completely exposed GYM Jordans bullshit conspiracy claims

by exposing how the RNC Donors bypassed any process and background checks to install trumps million dollar donor...

[boutons_deux]

Krishnamoorthi dude completely exposed GYM Jordans bullshit conspiracy claims

by exposing how the RNC Donors bypassed any process and background checks to install trumps million dollar donor...

will Pelosi impeach Dejoy? firing him 21 Jan isn't sufficient penalty

[Spurs Homer]

will Pelosi impeach Dejoy? firing him 21 Jan isn't sufficient penalty


i doubt she will ...unless that ongoing investigation finds some smoking guns that the usps GOP donor board doesnt destroy in time

[Will Hunting]

Ro Khanna got Dejoy to commit the put the sorting machines back if Congress gives the post office a billion dollars of funding :lol

[RandomGuy]

embarassing.gif

https://i.imgur.com/oT41FYI.gif

Your hero, shit-head.

Little did we know that every day would be just as embarrassing as him mocking a disabled reporter.

I'm sure you think that is awesome.

[RandomGuy]

i doubt she will ...unless that ongoing investigation finds some smoking guns that the usps GOP donor board doesnt destroy in time

They will find something.

I can see it now,

Same crack team that arrested Bannon on that billionaires yacht for defrauding all those gullible cult members will arrest Dejoy...

[spurraider21]

https://i.imgur.com/oT41FYI.gif

Your hero, shit-head.

Little did we know that every day would be just as embarrassing as him mocking a disabled reporter.

I'm sure you think that is awesome.
i dont think he was mocking his disability... there have been a lot of clips of trump using the same mannerisms to mock a lot of people, including cruz.

edit: clip included


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaB3ynIZH4

[Spurs Homer]

The YOUNG Congress women were the only decent interrogaters...

AOC, Pressley, Katie Porter, Rahida Tlaib

all fucking excellent...

AOC got Dejerkoff to answer if any of his daily calendar had been changed or deleted/erased/changed..(he said no changes had been made sincehe took over june 15th- until today)

then asked him to provide it = or it would be subpoenaed...

Pressley asked him to resign for his incompetence after his failure to answer basic shit

Porter asked him if he knew the price of first class mail and other minor USPS prices/shipping weights, etc - he didn't know most of it and he is the boss...



Tlaib - got him to admit he owns Amazon stock $$$ and read him the law on conflicts of interest and had him confirm that 40% OF Amazon business is with the USPS!
Then she advised him that INSIDER TRADING is a felony and when he refused to DIVEST - she said -
"you need to talk to your lawyers and either divest or resign"

[boutons_deux]

Mail Delays May Affect Meds Supply For Nearly 1 In 4 Americans Over 50


https://scienceblog.com/518101/mail-delays-may-affect-meds-supply-for-nearly-1-in-4-americans-over-50/

[Winehole23]

The YOUNG Congress women were the only decent interrogaters?

AOC, Pressley, Katie Porter, Rahida Tlaib

all fucking excellent...

AOC got Dejerkoff to answer if any of his daily calendar had been changed or deleted/erased/changed..
then asked him to provide it = or it would be subpoenaed...

Pressley asked him to resign for his incompetence after his failure to answer basic shit

Porter asked him if he knew the price of first class mail and other minor USPS prices/shipping weights, etc - he didn't know most of it and he is the boss...



Tlaib - got him to admit he owns Amazon stock $$$ and read him the law on conflicts of interest and had him confirm that 40% OF Amazon business is with the USPS!
Then she advised him that INSIDER TRADING is a felony and when he refused to DIVEST - she said -
"you need to talk to your lawyers and either divest or resign"Porter got DeJoy to say that he didn't issue any orders for the USPS changes occurring on his watch, and that he doesn't know who did.

If DeJoy is telling the truth, one wonders who did.

[Will Hunting]

Porter got DeJoy to say that he didn't issue any orders for the USPS changes occurring on his watch, and that he doesn't know who did.

One wonders who did.
She also got him to say he currently owns no financial interest in Amazon which seems incorrect.

The squad members are so much better at questioning than all the other Dems.

[Spurs Homer]

Porter got DeJoy to say that he didn't issue any orders for the USPS changes occurring on his watch, and that he doesn't know who did.

If DeJoy is telling the truth, one wonders who did.


yup


it appears he is not being honest and is trying to find a narrow line where he can avoid a complete answer

[boutons_deux]

if a USPS guy can leak docs showing the changes were Dejoy's orders, impeach him for perjury.

[Will Hunting]

if a USPS guy can leak docs showing the changes were Dejoy's orders, impeach him for perjury.
Just keep burying him with lawsuits and investigations, at some point he’ll say to himself I’m too old for this shit and will resign.

[Winehole23]

Ro Khanna got Dejoy to commit the put the sorting machines back if Congress gives the post office a billion dollars of funding :lolDeJoy obviously doesn't know how large the House Bill is, or he doesn't care. This is puffery.

[Winehole23]

yup


it appears he is not being honest and is trying to find a narrow line where he can avoid a complete answerGood luck enforcing contempt of Congress or lying to Congress.

Financial conflicts and delays already caused to the US mail ought to be sufficient grounds to impeach the Postmaster General, but that won't go anywhere either. DeJoy will brazen it out, already having accomplished his mission: to screw up the US mail and bring it into disrepute.

[Winehole23]

Good luck enforcing contempt of Congress or lying to Congress.

Financial conflicts and delays already caused to the US mail ought to be sufficient grounds to impeach the Postmaster General, but that won't go anywhere either. DeJoy will brazen it out, already having accomplished his mission: to screw up the US mail and bring it into disrepute.Ironically, impeaching DeJoy to save the USPS from his tender, technocratic ministrations, might also tend to accomplish Trump/DeJoy's ultimate goal of making the USPS look like a failure.

[Winehole23]

H/T to political dark arts, this is dastardly.

[Winehole23]

Wild surmise: might a regional US Att'y send postal inspectors to detain the Postmaster General for delaying the mail?


(a)Whoever, being a Postal Service officer or employee, unlawfully secretes, destroys, detains, delays, or opens any letter, postal card, package, bag, or mail entrusted to him or which shall come into his possession, and which was intended to be conveyed by mail, or carried or delivered by any carrier or other employee of the Postal Service, or forwarded through or delivered from any post office or station thereof established by authority of the Postmaster General or the Postal Service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1703#:~:text=Whoever%2C%20being%20a%20Postal%20Ser vice,any%20carrier%20or%20other%20employee

[Winehole23]

We've got CBP surveilling protesters and DHS beating them, why shouldn't Postal cops police politicians?

[Will Hunting]

Wild surmise: might a regional US Att'y send postal inspectors to detain the Postmaster General for delaying the mail?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1703#:~:text=Whoever%2C%20being%20a%20Postal%20Ser vice,any%20carrier%20or%20other%20employee
I think they could but slim chance that ever happens with a Trump DOJ.

[Winehole23]

I think they could but slim chance that ever happens with a Trump DOJ.It happened to Steve Bannon.

[Will Hunting]

It happened to Steve Bannon.
Right, but the amount of evidence against Bannon couldn’t be a ignored. The DOJ not going after him would have been a dereliction of duty. I’m sure there’s a lot of gray areas as to whether Dejoy can be arrested such that the DOJ could easily justify not going after him.

[Winehole23]

Right, but the amount of evidence against Bannon couldn’t be a ignored. The DOJ not going after him would have been a dereliction of duty. I’m sure there’s a lot of gray areas as to whether Dejoy can be arrested such that the DOJ could easily justify not going after him.agree 100% but, it sure stinks.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118375556_174777537518588_1054202743650926753_n.pn g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=TSyusBzGnDUAX_GqF9o&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=0f0f41f3e389fbbf3a40044cb1c96842&oe=5F6C3402

[boutons_deux]

If Bannon and Colfage are convicted before 20 Jan, will Trash pardon them?

[Will Hunting]

If Bannon and Colfage are convicted before 20 Jan, will Trash pardon them?
There's not a chance in the world the case gets through court by then.

Even if Bannon gets pardoned, he's going to be buried under a mountain of civil suits.

[RandomGuy]

i dont think he was mocking his disability... there have been a lot of clips of trump using the same mannerisms to mock a lot of people, including cruz.

edit: clip included


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaB3ynIZH4

It seemed pretty plain to me, given he was talking about reporters, and recently had a run in with the gentleman.

I might grant a not entirely 100% conscious mockery, but I have little doubt he views such "weak" "losers" with the same kind of distain that his abusive father showed him.

[RandomGuy]

it does if capacity has a running cost.

Is the running cost less than the cost of degraded service?

Stupid conservative thinking 101. "dur dee dur things cost money" without any consideration of a balancing benefit or other avoided cost.

That is why conservative "policy" fails so much. It reflects incomplete and inaccurate models of the universe.

I also haven't been paying attention.

Have you explained your magical thinking about how adding a 20-30% profit margin on top of the normal operating costs will magically solve the "problem" you have yet to even identify?


or are you, like TSA just going to run away from any meaningful discussion of conservative ineptitude and/or corruption on the part of the grifters that your Dear Leader has put in place?

[boutons_deux]

It seemed pretty plain to me, given he was talking about reporters, and recently had a run in with the gentleman.

I might grant a not entirely 100% conscious mockery, but I have little doubt he views such "weak" "losers" with the same kind of distain that his abusive father showed him.

why is a Presidential candidate faking spastic movements to mock ANYBODY?

That kind of hate appeals to Trash's childish, hate-driven cult mob.

[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

"reportedly", Barr contacted Murdoch to shut up Andy N

Fox’s Andrew Napolitano Defends Mail-In Vote:

40 Million People Voted By Mail in 2016 and ‘There Were No Complaints

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-andrew-napolitano-defends-mail-in-vote-40-million-people-voted-by-mail-in-2016-and-there-were-no-complaints/

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As Trash/Barr/Repugs/Fedex/UPS/predatory Capitalists intended,

and it will get worse

USPS priority mail delays got worse in early August

https://www.axios.com/usps-mail-delays-postmaster-general-9a5d4076-c87a-4468-9fa5-2c7f3e17fbd6.html

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Big USPS deficits after the Repugs passed the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/118437245_3239062336140054_7743631984542603723_n.p ng?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=U4hQj1tmBsIAX9MCbk4&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=9161d0de19570a1d440ea848469ed8c6&oe=5F6AF33E

Will Dems repeal the Act?

[Winehole23]

Big USPS deficits after the Repugs passed the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/118437245_3239062336140054_7743631984542603723_n.p ng?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=U4hQj1tmBsIAX9MCbk4&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=9161d0de19570a1d440ea848469ed8c6&oe=5F6AF33E

Will Dems repeal the Act?Dunno, but my guess would be no. They're in it up to their necks too.

Same donor facing corporatism as the GOP. I would love to be wrong about this.

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Dunno, but my guess would be no. They're in it up to their necks too.

Same donor facing corporatism as the GOP. I would love to be wrong about this.

Maybe with all USPS news around recent Trash/Dejoy sabotage and the USPS' 90%+ public approval, the Dems will find some balls somewhere and undo old Repug sabotage.

[Winehole23]

Maybe with all USPS news around recent Trash/Dejoy sabotage and the USPS' 90%+ public approval, the Dems will find some balls somewhere and undo old Repug sabotage.Don't hold your breath. Pelosi, Schumer and Perez still run the show.

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Don't hold your breath. Pelosi, Schumer and Perez still run the show.

Yes, the neocon, neoliberal, corporatist, anti-progressive, BigDollar Dems are as corrupt as Repugs, so my expectations are low

Repugs destroy and create problems, sicken and kill people, the Dems refuse to repair, to solve, to protect people

iow, with nobody to turn to, America is fucked and unfuckable. In permanent, relentless decline

The economy is a disaster for small businesses and Labor, while Capitalists pocket $800B more in 2020.

[Winehole23]

The economy is a disaster for small businesses and Labor, while Capitalists pocket $800B more in 2020.Rigging the game to benefit free lunch capitalists is a long bipartisan tradition. Much of the rancor between the two parties is kayfabe.

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Trump challenges absentee voting in PA.

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Judge sides with states,

orders Trump and Postal Service

to cough up documents on sabotage ASAP

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/28/1973042/-Federal-judge-gives-Trump-Postal-Service-10-days-to-provide-documents-on-service-changes (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/28/1973042/-Federal-judge-gives-Trump-Postal-Service-10-days-to-provide-documents-on-service-changes?detail=emaildkre)

[DMC]

Is the running cost less than the cost of degraded service?

Stupid conservative thinking 101. "dur dee dur things cost money" without any consideration of a balancing benefit or other avoided cost.

That is why conservative "policy" fails so much. It reflects incomplete and inaccurate models of the universe.

I also haven't been paying attention.

Have you explained your magical thinking about how adding a 20-30% profit margin on top of the normal operating costs will magically solve the "problem" you have yet to even identify?


or are you, like TSA just going to run away from any meaningful discussion of conservative ineptitude and/or corruption on the part of the grifters that your Dear Leader has put in place?
WTF are you going on about here? It reads like you're experiencing a nervous breakdown.

If you idle equipment, the upkeep costs don't magically disappear. All the rest of that mumbo jumbo was basically drool.

[Winehole23]

this seems unusual.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-28/mar-vista-mail

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this seems unusual.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-28/mar-vista-mail

USPS can't handle a dog and an angry tenant, so 1800 public-housing people don't get mail, echoing Dejoy sabotaging USPS.

[ElNono]

this seems unusual.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-28/mar-vista-mail

That's like 4 blocks away from where I live... weird

[ElNono]

Trump challenges absentee voting in PA.

1299518102829494277

Yeah, Pennsylvania is getting out of reach... time to pull all the stops... can't win fair and square...

[RandomGuy]

WTF are you going on about here? It reads like you're experiencing a nervous breakdown.

If you idle equipment, the upkeep costs don't magically disappear. All the rest of that mumbo jumbo was basically drool.

So, no, you haven't explained why adding in a 20% profit margin will magically make things better.
Got it.

You keep on your "durr dee dur it costs money dur". For you to get my point would require you to learn something, and I do not think you can learn it.

[Winehole23]

mail in balloting good now

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mail in balloting good now

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the plan is for Trump to lose these states,

then blame his loss on Ms of "fraudulent" mail-in ballots,

refuse to concede,

contest his loss,

demand recounts,

and drag it on until EC ballots are cast,

with Biden's EC votes in the contested states not counting,

dropping Biden below 270,

throwing the election into the House.

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USPS Board Chairman Revealed as Director of Mitch McConnell, Trump-Linked Super PACs


https://truthout.org/articles/usps-board-chairman-revealed-as-director-of-mcconnell-trump-linked-super-pacs/ (https://truthout.org/articles/usps-board-chairman-revealed-as-director-of-mcconnell-trump-linked-super-pacs/)

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Mitch McConnell names USPS chairman, a veteran vote suppression expert, as director of his $130 million super PAC

Chairman Duncan bypassed a long list of candidates recommended to become Postmaster General, and instead helped to install Louis DeJoy, the first postmaster general who had no experience at the USPS, into the role.

Duncan, a highly-connected GOP operative, once chaired the Republican National Committee

“during the party’s unprecedented escalation of voter disenfranchisement efforts in swing states,”

HuffPost reports, noting he steered the GOP

“while it undertook some of its most brazen voter suppression schemes.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/mitch-mcconnell-names-usps-chairman-a-veteran-vote-suppression-expert-as-director-of-his-130-million-super-pac/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

The corruption is UnPresidented

So much for the USPS to be free of political meddling