Trump billionaire crony is trashing the USPS

[Winehole23]

No American institution is more popular, 91% approval. Its establishment was a constitutional mandate (Article I, Section 8) and its maintenance is required by the US Code Title 39.


(a)The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=)shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101)to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101)to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=)shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/101


The USPS is still important national infrastructure, especially for remote/rural places. Fucking it up on purpose for a perceived electoral advantage or to boost private carriers is malign.

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[Winehole23]

this is Doctorow's lede


After decades of a grinding bipartisan war of attrition waged by Congress against the US Postal Service, the US mail is now under direct assault from Trump and his crony, the new Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy.

[Will Hunting]

Joe Biden is a creepy old man so this, the most blatant attempt to steal an election in American history, is no big deal!

[boutons_deux]

Internal documents confirm Trump’s Post Office changes are fouling up delivery

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/internal-documents-confirm-trumps-post-office-changes-are-fouling-up-delivery/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5181&recip_id=298460&list_id=1

Think this is bad?

Watch Trash lose and then go full "Nero Decree" until 20 Jan.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117655802_169145558081786_1458067213154587155_n.pn g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=e8nsXNCJ724AX8t-V4o&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=b33d5f66944ad4bf6dd746929c1795f9&oe=5F58C359

[Trill Clinton]

more bodies added to the unemployment line to save lord trumps ass

[Winehole23]

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Delivering%20for%20America%20Act.pdf

[Trill Clinton]

Crazy he hasn't even hit peak desperation yet.

[Will Hunting]

Crazy he hasn't even hit peak desperation yet.
It’s more crazy to me that half the country either can’t see how Trump is overtly trying to steal the election or worse doesn’t care.

[Spurs Homer]

It’s more crazy to me that half the country either can’t see how Trump is overtly trying to steal the election or worse doesn’t care.


maybe because he stole the last election, covered it up, unleashed millions of russian sympathizers to muddy the waters and label it a hoax...

and americans just followed along


why stop now?

[Will Hunting]

maybe because he stole the last election, covered it up, unleashed millions of russian sympathizers to muddy the waters and label it a hoax...

and americans just followed along


why stop now?
There isn’t enough convincing evidence that he stole the last election. Sorry, but it’s time to drop the Russiagate shit.

[RandomGuy]

There isn’t enough convincing evidence that he stole the last election. Sorry, but it’s time to drop the Russiagate shit.

... except the Russians are still trying to ratfuck the election.

[boutons_deux]

Russiagate was as real as Watergate.

Trash and his mafiya successfully blocked Mueller, giving Mueller 9 instances of impeachable obstruction.

[Will Hunting]

... except the Russians are still trying to ratfuck the election.
I really hope people like you aren’t running Biden’s campaign. If we spend the next 3 months crying about muh Russia, Trump will get re-elected.

[Will Hunting]

DJT is legit trying to stop ballots from being counted by sabotaging the post office, but Democrats are focused on the oversensationalized Russia bullshit that the average American doesn’t give a shit about.

[RandomGuy]

I really hope people like you aren’t running Biden’s campaign. If we spend the next 3 months crying about muh Russia, Trump will get re-elected.

nah. Not going to harp on it. So much other stuff happens that his dabbling with them is inconsequential for the most part, bounties on our troops aside.

[RandomGuy]

....Democrats are focused on the oversensationalized Russia bullshit that the average American doesn’t give a shit about.

If that were true, you should be able to find some Democratic leader harping on it. Haven't seen any of that.

What specific evidence do you have that "Democrats are focused on the oversensationalized Russia bullshit" ?

[Will Hunting]

If that were true, you should be able to find some Democratic leader harping on it. Haven't seen any of that.

What specific evidence do you have that "Democrats are focused on the oversensationalized Russia bullshit" ?
This was a thread about the Postal Service and you thought it was a good platform to cry about Russia. Pretty sure that’s evidence.

[ChumpDumper]

Have the ST Trump supporters gotten their talking points on this yet?

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[Winehole23]

20% of Americans receive their medicine exclusively through the mail

http://www.ncpa.co/adherence/AdherenceReportCard_Full.pdf

[Spurs Homer]

DJT is legit trying to stop ballots from being counted by sabotaging the post office, but Democrats are focused on the oversensationalized Russia bullshit that the average American doesn’t give a shit about.


theres your problem exactly...

right in front of your eyes

USA intel- even though headed by a cultist

STILL

issued a report that russia and the GOP are working together to help trump in the election


and americans like you are pushing this russian talking point


this is why trump will win again

because americans still BELIEVE that its TOO far-fetched that our president (your president) is a fucking treasonous piece of shit

[Will Hunting]

theres your problem exactly...

right in front of your eyes

USA intel- even though headed by a cultist

STILL

issued a report that russia and the GOP are working together to help trump in the election


and americans like you are pushing this russian talking point


this is why trump will win again

because americans still BELIEVE that its TOO far-fetched that our president (your president) is a fucking treasonous piece of shit
This thread is about the post office, not Russia. Go start a new thread about muh Russia if you want to cry about it.

[Spurs Homer]

This thread is about the post office, not Russia. Go start a new thread about muh Russia if you want to cry about it.

no one is crying about it- just pointing out your inaccuracies in YOUR post


as far as the USPS fiasco


do you think Putin isnt involved?

Putin is instructing his asset on how to steal the election-
just wait

83 days left and Putin’s playbook has a lot more orders for trump

[RandomGuy]

This was a thread about the Postal Service and you thought it was a good platform to cry about Russia. Pretty sure that’s evidence.

not reallly. I was responding to your bitching by pointing out the fact that they are still making efforts at destabilizing our country. Respectfully: The fact that you can't easily support your statement "Democrats are focused on..." other than that, should cause you to re-think that statement.

[Will Hunting]

no one is crying about it- just pointing out your inaccuracies in YOUR post


as far as the USPS fiasco


do you think Putin isnt involved?

Putin is instructing his asset on how to steal the election-
just wait

83 days left and Putin’s playbook has a lot more orders for trump
There is absolutely no evidence of Putin’s involvement with Trump’s efforts to sabotage the post office. People are always looking for a convoluted, multilevel conspiracy they can claim credit for unraveling (muh Russia, QAnon, Pizzagate, etc.).

What’s happening here is pretty simple - Trump knows he needs to suppress votes to win, and if mail in voting makes it easier to vote, that becomes a lot harder. As such, he found a billionaire friend of his to make postmaster general and sabotage the post office so mail can’t reliably get anywhere on time. That alone should be enough to show how much of a threat to our Democracy Trump is. There’s no need to add conjecture about Putin to an otherwise simple and easy thing for the average American to understand.

[Will Hunting]

not reallly. I was responding to your bitching by pointing out the fact that they are still making efforts at destabilizing our country. Respectfully: The fact that you can't easily support your statement "Democrats are focused on..." other than that, should cause you to re-think that statement.
I said Democrats are more focused on muh Russia than Trump sabotaging the USPS.

You and Spurs Homer are Democrats.

You and Spurs Homer both entered a thread about the USPS and decided it was a good place to stand on your muh Russia soapbox.

The foregoing two facts are all that’s required for my statement to be true.

Do you actually plan on talking about the USPS ITTA, or was your only goal to make sure I’m taking muh Russia super seriously?

[RandomGuy]

Trump says the quiet part out loud:


“Now, they need that money in order to have Post Office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said. “But if they don’t get those items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”

He has essentially admitted why he is doing what he is doing. Not out of any concern for fraud.


Trump’s assault on mail-in voting is blatantly political and nakedly hypocritical. At the same time he attacks mail-in voting, his campaign is encouraging Republican voters in battleground states to apply for absentee ballots and vote by mail. Trump, Vice President Mike Pence, Attorney General William Barr, and other senior administration officials have all voted by mail in recent elections. The only plausible explanation for Trump’s newfound resistance to voting by mail — to the point that he would kneecap the Postal Service to prevent the delivery and transport of ballots — is that he believes it will hurt his chances of reelection in November.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-postal-service-mail-in-voting-absentee-election-defund-1043797/

He is now holding COVID relief hostage to further this end. His negotiators have withdrawn from talks with the House.

[RandomGuy]

I said Democrats are more focused on muh Russia than Trump sabotaging the USPS.

You and Spurs Homer are Democrats.

You and Spurs Homer both entered a thread about the USPS and decided it was a good place to stand on your muh Russia soapbox.

The foregoing two facts are all that’s required for my statement to be true.

No, it isn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization#Hasty_generalization

[Will Hunting]

No, it isn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization#Hasty_generalization
I didn’t say all Democrats. I said Democrats.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Will Hunting]

Trump says the quiet part out loud:



He has essentially admitted why he is doing what he is doing. Not out of any concern for fraud.



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-postal-service-mail-in-voting-absentee-election-defund-1043797/

He is now holding COVID relief hostage to further this end. His negotiators have withdrawn from talks with the House.
This is my point - he’s not even denying what he’s doing with the USPS. He’s outright admitting that his goal is to kill mail in voting by gutting the USPS. It’s not a conspiracy theory or a disputed allegation, Trump is transparently abusing his power over the USPS in order to stop the Democratic process.

[RandomGuy]

I didn’t say all Democrats. I said Democrats.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

(shrugs) You didn't qualify it.

Perhaps a different wording using the same format will help.

Steaks in Germany are overcooked.

Notice I didn't qualify that.

What is does the sentence imply?

[Winehole23]

Postmaster General DeJoy has financial conflicts

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[Spurs Homer]

There is absolutely no evidence of Putin’s involvement with Trump’s efforts to sabotage the post office. People are always looking for a convoluted, multilevel conspiracy they can claim credit for unraveling (muh Russia, QAnon, Pizzagate, etc.).

What’s happening here is pretty simple - Trump knows he needs to suppress votes to win, and if mail in voting makes it easier to vote, that becomes a lot harder. As such, he found a billionaire friend of his to make postmaster general and sabotage the post office so mail can’t reliably get anywhere on time. That alone should be enough to show how much of a threat to our Democracy Trump is. There’s no need to add conjecture about Putin to an otherwise simple and easy thing for the average American to understand.


again


USA intel just released a report that Dems have been screaming to have this report declassified- but have not been successful

but the public available information released - includes;

Russia is deploying ACTIVE MEASURES to attack our election to help Trump again.

Dems are unsuccessful in declassifying but are raising the alarm. Why?

They have seen the classified report but are forbidden to speak out about the classified intel


If YOU want to believe - after 4 years of watching Trump obediently fulfill EVERY Russian wish list of putins wildest dreams-


and yet you somehow think Trump is going to steal this election without Putins help

I cant help you- no one can.

Just keep blindly spewing those sympathizer talking points.

[Will Hunting]

again


USA intel just released a report that Dems have been screaming to have this report declassified- but have not been successful

but the public available information released - includes;

Russia is deploying ACTIVE MEASURES to attack our election to help Trump again.

Dems are unsuccessful in declassifying but are raising the alarm. Why?

They have seen the classified report but are forbidden to speak out about the classified intel


If YOU want to believe - after 4 years of watching Trump obediently fulfill EVERY Russian wish list of putins wildest dreams-


and yet you somehow think Trump is going to steal this election without Putins help

I cant help you- no one can.

Just keep blindly spewing those sympathizer talking points.
Present me with any evidence you have that Russia is involved with the USP or fold.

A classified report that may or may not contain evidence isn’t evidence.

[RandomGuy]

This is my point - he’s not even denying what he’s doing with the USPS. He’s outright admitting that his goal is to kill mail in voting by gutting the USPS. It’s not a conspiracy theory or a disputed allegation, Trump is transparently abusing his power over the USPS in order to stop the Democratic process.

Talking about this is soemthing people like TSA will studiously avoid.

[Spurs Homer]

Present me with any evidence you have that Russia is involved with the USP or fold.

A classified report that may or may not contain evidence isn’t evidence.


that is how it works

Trump wont allow his intel guy to declassify

If “russia is taking Active measures”

does not concern you


nothing will


I have no evidence and wont until we are under Authoritarian rule and people like you are crying and wishing we had paid attention to what was right in front of our eyes.

[baseline bum]

Oh fuck this is blatant election fixing done in plain sight and we're still talking about Russia in 2016 instead of this?

[Winehole23]

Trump on Fox Business today.

Voter fraud is a red herring, Trump wants to suppress turnout.


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[Will Hunting]

If “russia is taking Active measures”

does not concern you


nothing will.
Splendid. Since I’m a lost cause who can’t be saved, hopefully that means you’ll stop replying to my posts with gibberish about muh Russia that’s formatted like a poorly written Haiku.

[ElNono]

I'm 98% sure I'll hear muh Russia when Shillary speaks on the convention, but if I hear that coming out of the campaign, they deserve all the misery that's coming to them.

[Winehole23]

Obstruction of US mail is a crime

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1703 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1703#:~:text=Whoever%2C%20being%20a%20Postal%20Ser vice,any%20carrier%20or%20other%20employee)

[RandomGuy]

Obstruction of US mail is a crime

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1703 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1703#:~:text=Whoever%2C%20being%20a%20Postal%20Ser vice,any%20carrier%20or%20other%20employee)

add that to the list.

[Will Hunting]

I'm 98% sure I'll hear muh Russia when Shillary speaks on the convention, but if I hear that coming out of the campaign, they deserve all the misery that's coming to them.
They won't so god help us, but they should be muzzling Hillary and reviewing her speech beforehand. One mention of muh Russia or :cry the BernieBros don't like me :cry and the livestream to her speech should get killed.

[Spurs Homer]

Splendid. Since I’m a lost cause who can’t be saved, hopefully that means you’ll stop replying to my posts with gibberish about muh Russia that’s formatted like a poorly written Haiku.''


how clever and snarky!

[Winehole23]

Defunding the USPS and reorganizing it so as to slow down US mail flauts US postal policy.


(a)The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=)shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101)to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101)to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=)shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.

(b)The Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=) shall provide a maximum degree of effective and regular postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101) to rural areas, communities, and small towns where post offices are not self-sustaining. No small post office shall be closed solely for operating at a deficit, it being the specific intent of the Congress that effective postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101)be insured to residents of both urban and rural communities.

(c)As an employer, the Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=) shall achieve and maintain compensation for its officers and employees comparable to the rates and types of compensation paid in the private sector of the economy of the United States. It shall place particular emphasis upon opportunities for career advancements of all officers and employees and the achievement of worthwhile and satisfying careers in the service of the United States.

(d)Postal rates shall be established to apportion the costs of all postal operations to all users of the mail on a fair and equitable basis.

(e)In determining all policies for postal services (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=title:39:part:I:chapter:1:section:101), the Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=) shall give the highest consideration to the requirement for the most expeditious collection, transportation, and delivery of important letter mail.

(f)In selecting modes of transportation, the Postal Service (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=39-USC-555628448-1770702680&term_occur=999&term_src=) shall give highest consideration to the prompt and economical delivery of all mail. Modern methods of transporting mail by containerization and programs designed to achieve overnight transportation to the destination of important letter mail to all parts of the Nation shall be a primary goal of postal operations.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/101

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Deactivating, dismantling and removing sorting machines


Motherboard identified 19 mail sorting machines from five processing facilities across the U.S. that either have already been removed or are scheduled to be in the near future. But the Postal Service operates hundreds of distribution facilities (https://about.usps.com/news/facility-studies/assets/pdf/facility-list-02222012.pdf) around the country, so it is not clear precisely how many machines are getting removed and for what purpose.
Even to local union officials, USPS has not announced any policy, explained why they are doing this, what will happen to the machines and the workers who use them. Nor has management provided a rationale for dismantling and removing the machines from the facility rather than merely not operating them when they’re not needed.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7wk9z/the-post-office-is-deactivating-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election

[Winehole23]

“Look at it this way: Your local grocery store was forced to cut 1/3 of its cash-out lines, but management expected the same productivity, quality, and speed for the customer,” said an employee at a Buffalo distribution facility, which they said is set to lose six out of 21 mail sorting machines. “It’s just never going to happen.”

[Winehole23]

After publication, USPS spokesperson David Partenheimer told Motherboard, “The Postal Service routinely moves equipment around its network as necessary to match changing mail and package volumes. Package volume is up, but mail volume continues to decline. Adapting our processing infrastructure to the current volumes will ensure more efficient, cost effective operations and better service for our customers.”

[boutons_deux]

USPS had to fold for the insufficient $10B,

has given ALL its proprietary business data to Mnuchin

will probably spread it his vulture Capitalists buddies

who want to buy up bankrupted USPS

[Spurminator]

Have the ST Trump supporters gotten their talking points on this yet?

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In the absence of relevant talking points, I expect the response will default to the standard "lol you have TDS."

[CosmicCowboy]

Hell, all they have to do is quit delivering fucking junk mail for a month. They would have no problem delivering all thiose ballots.

[Spurminator]

Hell, all they have to do is quit delivering fucking junk mail for a month. They would have no problem delivering all thiose ballots.

"Stop doing the business that delivers the revenue to keep you in business and you'll have more time for the other stuff."

[ChumpDumper]

Hell, all they have to do is quit delivering fucking junk mail for a month. They would have no problem delivering all thiose ballots.Oh look, another backflip.

[SnakeBoy]

There isn’t enough convincing evidence that he stole the last election. Sorry, but it’s time to drop the Russiagate shit.

This time there really is a wolf amirite?

[ChumpDumper]

This time there really is a wolf amirite?Backflips.

[Will Hunting]

This time there really is a wolf amirite?
Trump openly admitted he’s fucking with the post office to make mail in voting impossible. This isn’t a conspiracy theory the way muh Russia does, he’s outrighted admitted what he’s doing.

[CosmicCowboy]

Does anyone really look at all that freaking junk mail? I stand by the trash can and go through the mail like I'm dealing cards...trash-trash-trash-keep-trash-trash-keep-trash-trash-trash-trash. That's about the same ratio too.

[Will Hunting]

Hell, all they have to do is quit delivering fucking junk mail for a month. They would have no problem delivering all thiose ballots.
One of the reasons the USPS is struggling right now is the drop off in junk mail that’s happened the last 6 months.

What they should do is roll back the moronic requirement that USPS needs to prefund employee pensions 75 years in advance. The USPS never had any issues until that was passed in 2006 to intentional create issues that bring it closer to privatization.

[CosmicCowboy]

Working at the post office is the cushiest, most overpaid job ever.

[CosmicCowboy]

One of the reasons the USPS is struggling right now is the drop off in junk mail that’s happened the last 6 months.

What they should do is roll back the moronic requirement that USPS needs to prefund employee pensions 75 years in advance. The USPS never had any issues until that was passed in 2006 to intentional create issues that bring it closer to privatization.

They need to go to matching 401K's like everyone else.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol CC talking about everything but Trump's actions.

[spurraider21]

In the absence of relevant talking points, I expect the response will default to the standard "lol you have TDS."
TDS is a convenient term to avoid argument

[Will Hunting]

:lol CC talking about everything but Trump's actions.
:lol instead wants to parrot the same Republican rhetoric about how those god damn government employees are too overpaid!

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol CC talking about everything but Trump's actions.

I will let you guys quibble relentlessly over Trump. I have already said he is an idiot. No need to keep repeating it a thousand times.

That doesn't mean the USPS doesn't need some much needed reform.

[ChumpDumper]

I will let you guys quibble relentlessly over Trump. I have already said he is an idiot. No need to keep repeating it a thousand times.

That doesn't mean the USPS doesn't need some much needed reform.How is this postal scheme idiocy?

[Will Hunting]

I will let you guys quibble relentlessly over Trump. I have already said he is an idiot. No need to keep repeating it a thousand times.

That doesn't mean the USPS doesn't need some much needed reform.
Randomly pulling mail sorting machines from USPS locations across the country less than 90 days from an election that’s going to heavily rely on mail in voting seems like a strange way and time to implement reform.

[RandomGuy]

Hell, all they have to do is quit delivering fucking junk mail for a month. They would have no problem delivering all thiose ballots.

... and all those mail prescriptions... and small business purchases.

etc. etc. etc.

The fucker running the USPS is buying stock options in Amazon...

and actively tryng to ruin the service.

Dismantling automatic mail sorters.

Going to make excuses for that too?

[pgardn]

This time there really is a wolf amirite?

Trump did not collude.

Did the Russian wolf interfere in 2016?

[RandomGuy]

I will let you guys quibble relentlessly over Trump. I have already said he is an idiot. No need to keep repeating it a thousand times.

That doesn't mean the USPS doesn't need some much needed reform.

Reform what?

They changed the pension funding rules for the USPS to try and kill it, and surprisingly enough that burden has kept it from the capex it needs to reform.

The fascist party didn't want reform. It wanted to completely privatize it, carve up the corpse and line their pockets. Again.

Benefit the wealthy, everybody else can go fuck themselves.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2020/04/14/post-office-pensions--some-key-myths-and-facts/#aacfb2347f5d

FWIW.

[RandomGuy]

And another.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2020/04/16/can-the-post-office-cut-its-retiree-healthcare-costs/#46a03a6e29d0

USPS has some problems, but nothing that can't be fixed with some compromise.

It serves, and has served, a very important function in our country, tying together a continental civilization. It is mandated to be everywhere by Congress, including places that are unprofitable to that end.

It is somewhat of a social good in that regard, which earns it a huge amount of animosity from the usual suspects who want to accelerate the concentration of wealth in this country into as few hands as possible.

[RandomGuy]

Hell, all they have to do is quit delivering fucking junk mail for a month. They would have no problem delivering all thiose ballots.

So Trump and his crony say that 150M mail in ballots is a huge problem, but 2Bn christmas cards a month later is no problem.

... and you believe this stupid shit?

[RandomGuy]

This time there really is a wolf amirite?

Mail sorting equipment being “removed” from post offices, leaving mail to “pile up”: union leader
A union chief says the changes, which have been more drastic than people realize, are costing more money — not less

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/12/mail-sorting-equipment-being-removed-from-post-offices-leaving-mail-to-pile-up-union-leader

[CosmicCowboy]

So Trump and his crony say that 150M mail in ballots is a huge problem, but 2Bn christmas cards a month later is no problem.

... and you believe this stupid shit?

Of course not. You fuck up time after time assuming I agree with Trump. It seems to be an obsession with you, almost as bad as eunuch blake ankle biting every time I post.

[Winehole23]

USPS warns Philadelphia mail ballots may not arrive on time. Seems Trump's plan to screw up the election is already working.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvaniate (https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-mail-voting-deadlines-post-office-lawsuit-20200813.html) ealy or abse-mail-voting-deadlines-post-office-lawsuit-20200813.html

[DMC]

OMG not the postal service! Who's going to deliver my neighbor's mail to my house now?

[pgardn]

OMG not the postal service! Who's going to deliver my neighbor's mail to my house now?

OUch.

Who needs em...

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trump supporter backflips

Y'all are pathetic. No morals.

[spurraider21]

OMG not the postal service! Who's going to deliver my neighbor's mail to my house now?
or your ballot

[baseline bum]

I will let you guys quibble relentlessly over Trump. I have already said he is an idiot. No need to keep repeating it a thousand times.

That doesn't mean the USPS doesn't need some much needed reform.

He's not an idiot. He's a criminal who should be removed from office right now.

[baseline bum]

or your ballot

DMC is basically saying democracy is for fags

[ChumpDumper]

Buncha bootlicks hoping it all works out for their Duce.

[Reck]

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Now they're definitely not getting any funding for sure. :lol

[Will Hunting]

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Now they're definitely not getting any funding for sure. :lol
He blew his wad on this way too early: if he wanted to fuck with the USPS he should have waited until 2 weeks before Election Day and made a bunch of sweeping changes that people wouldn’t have been able to react on time. It would have been more egregious but half the country would either not care or not know no matter how obvious it was.

Now the people who are going to be handling and transporting half of the country’s ballot by and large think their job is at stake if Trump loses.

[Winehole23]

or your ballotor his medicine

[Will Hunting]

Postal service rolls back the policy its always had of mailing ballots first class, regardless of postage amount, and now warns of ballot delivery times:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-warn-states-mail-in-ballot-delivery/index.html

Republican response: hurr durr Libs with TDS bitching about Trump sabotaging the post office to fuck with votes

[ChumpDumper]

Postal service rolls back the policy its always had of mailing ballots first class, regardless of postage amount, and now warns of ballot delivery times:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-warn-states-mail-in-ballot-delivery/index.html

Republican response: hurr durr Libs with TDS bitching about Trump sabotaging the post office to fuck with votesTrump supporters here are extremely comfortable with the idea of an authoritarian daddy's ruling them as long as it triggers the lbs.

[Will Hunting]

Trump supporters here are extremely comfortable with the idea of an authoritarian daddy's ruling them as long as it triggers the lbs.
Even the supposedly moderate ones in this thread want to avoid a good faith discussion about this at all costs, instead going with "I've always wanted to gut the post office so this is much needed 'reform,' that has nothing to do with this election though I swear"

[ChumpDumper]

Even the supposedly moderate ones in this thread want to avoid a good faith discussion about this at all costs, instead going with "I've always wanted to gut the post office so this is much needed 'reform,' that has nothing to do with this election though I swear"Just proves they are interested in their party's power more than morals or principles or democracy or really the very idea of the USA.

They're really all pieces of shit and cowards for not owning it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Just proves they are interested in their party's power more than morals or principles or democracy or really the very idea of the USA.

They're really all pieces of shit and cowards for not owning it.

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.You're fine with all of it.

I get it.

Why wouldn't you be fine with all of it?

You'd only be upset if a Democrat did it.

[RandomGuy]

They need to go to matching 401K's like everyone else.

They are legally required to provide services to every zipcode in the country.

is everyone else subject to that provision?

Semen shielding for he destruction of democracy. Fuck, and you wonder why I get pissed at assholes like you.

[Spurminator]

OMG not the postal service! Who's going to deliver my neighbor's mail to my house now?

I received pickles on my burger when I asked for them to be removed, so capitalism sucks.

[clambake]

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.
If this shitshow was happening under a Democrat...you’d be having a baby whale, crisco cowboy.

[pgardn]

I received pickles on my burger when I asked for them to be removed, so capitalism sucks.

"But, but.... you have a chance to go to another burger joint.
(They will also add pickles eventually)
Im stuck having to haul my fat ass to my neighbors house."

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trump supporters
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[RandomGuy]

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.

You are responsible for voting for Trumps enablers and supporting the party infrastructure that he has been leveraging to do every single illegal and corrupt act for the last few yearss.

You.

ARE.

RESPONSIBLE.

Don't try to pretend you aren't.

[Will Hunting]

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts ITT, but while you're not actively endorsing it, bringing up how much general "reform" you think the USPS already needed comes off as intentional obfuscation to muddy the topic of whether Trump is intentionally sabotaging the post office to affect election results. The fact Trump has outright admitted he wants to hold relief dollars for the USPS hostage because those relief dollars are needed to make it so mail-in voting is possible is an elephant in the room Conservatives either create a stupid rationale for or refuse to address head on.

I know you've condemned other stuff Trump has done in the past and no one (at least not me) is saying you have some kind of duty to condemn every single thing Trump does, but if there is anything Trump should face bipartisan criticism over, this is it - overtly sabotaging the post office to make it so less votes get counted. There are totalitarian dictatorships that are more subtle about how they manipulate election results, Trump isn't even hiding it.

Not trying to argue, just my two cents about why not seeing more moderate conservatives talking about this situation in particular is frustrating. You obviously don't have to care or agree with me.

[RandomGuy]

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.

In fact I will go a step further.


“Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

Coward.

[Reck]

Fuck you Chump!

I will "own" anything I do or am responsible for.

I don't have a damn thing to do with what Trump does or says so I'm not "owning" anything.

Eat shit and fucking die.


You're fine with all of it.

I get it.

Why wouldn't you be fine with all of it?

You'd only be upset if a Democrat did it.


They are legally required to provide services to every zipcode in the country.

is everyone else subject to that provision?

Semen shielding for he destruction of democracy. Fuck, and you wonder why I get pissed at assholes like you.


If this shitshow was happening under a Democrat...you’d be having a baby whale, crisco cowboy.


You are responsible for voting for Trumps enablers and supporting the party infrastructure that he has been leveraging to do every single illegal and corrupt act for the last few yearss.

You.

ARE.

RESPONSIBLE.

Don't try to pretend you aren't.

:lmao damn mercy mercy

[pgardn]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts ITT, but while you're not actively endorsing it, bringing up how much general "reform" you think the USPS already needed comes off as intentional obfuscation to muddy the topic of whether Trump is intentionally sabotaging the post office to affect election results. The fact Trump has outright admitted he wants to hold relief dollars for the USPS hostage because those relief dollars are needed to make it so mail-in voting is possible is an elephant in the room Conservatives either create a stupid rationale for or refuse to address head on.

I know you've condemned other stuff Trump has done in the past and no one (at least not me) is saying you have some kind of duty to condemn every single thing Trump does, but if there is anything Trump should face bipartisan criticism over, this is it - overtly sabotaging the post office to make it so less votes get counted. There are totalitarian dictatorships that are more subtle about how they manipulate election results, Trump isn't even hiding it.

Not trying to argue, just my two cents about why not seeing more moderate conservatives talking about this situation in particular is frustrating. You obviously don't have to care or agree with me.

Because ultimately they want him back in.
The cost our election system does not matter.

"2 to 3 million illegal votes" regurgitate it over and over with zero evidence.
The postal play is in your face. And they like it.

[ChumpDumper]

The only policy or action I saw CC speak out against was tariffs. The rest of the time it's he calls him a jackass or an idiot. Not much else.

I'm not saying anyone is required to call Trump out but don't have a meltdown when people notice it.

[baseline bum]

You're fine with all of it.

I get it.

Why wouldn't you be fine with all of it?

You'd only be upset if a Democrat did it.

It would be lynch Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, etc by name if Obama went and closed a bunch of rural voting sites to try to steal Florida in 2016 but Trump goes and actually does severely hamper voting by mail capabilities in Philly to try to steal Pennsylvania and it's fucking crickets.

[Will Hunting]

The only policy or action I saw CC speak out against was tariffs. The rest of the time it's he calls him a jackass or an idiot. Not much else.

I'm not saying anyone is required to call Trump out but don't have a meltdown when people notice it.
Whatever else CC has or hasn't called Trump out on, right now Trump has admitted he wants to threaten our Democracy by fucking with the post office and making it more difficult for people to vote and for those votes to get counted. If there's one thing a president can do that should draw scorn from both sides of the aisle, threatening American Democracy and trying to manipulate election results is probably it.

People have every right to think that Trump is just implementing already-needed reform for the post office, and the timing just so happens to be coinciding with an election where Americans are going to rely on mail-in voting more than ever before, but if that's your opinion don't get mad when people call you out for being a partisan hack who finds ways to justify everything Trump does, no matter how egregious or obvious.

[baseline bum]

Winehole23 is the only even halfway conservative here gives two shits about fair elections. The rest of the right here thinks it's either funny or justified that Trump is trying to steal the election.

[ChumpDumper]

It would be lynch Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, etc by name if Obama went and closed a bunch of rural voting sites to try to steal Florida in 2016 but Trump goes and actually does severely hamper voting by mail capabilities in Philly to try to steal Pennsylvania and it's fucking crickets.Shit, I'd grab a pitchfork against a Democrat doing anything that blatant. This is insane. I'll allow it if Trump supporters are in denial out of some sort of shock at finding out he's really that bad-- but they're pumping their tiny fists in support.

[baseline bum]

Shit, I'd grab a pitchfork against a Democrat doing anything that blatant. This is insane. I'll allow it if Trump supporters are in denial out of some sort of shock at finding out he's really that bad-- but they're pumping their tiny fists in support.

Why would you allow that denial?

[ChumpDumper]

Why would you allow that denial?Here I can't since people here aren't ignorant about what he's doing.

[Reck]

1294369456764923904

This is just unraveling now.

Thanks to Trump's incompetency, this could be sorted out soon, making Trump fold....again.

[Will Hunting]

1294369456764923904

This is just unraveling now.

Thanks to Trump's incompetency, this could be sorted out soon, making Trump fold....again.

Even that milquetoast cunt Susan Collins is speaking out about this now, and she's notorious for waiting until the last possible minute for speaking out until she can no longer ignore it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/511966-susan-collins-asks-postmaster-general-to-address-delays-of-critically-needed

This is blowing up.

[clambake]

Replace the IG. Easy peasy. Happening now all the time.

[ChumpDumper]

1294369456764923904

This is just unraveling now.

Thanks to Trump's incompetency, this could be sorted out soon, making Trump fold....again.


Even that milquetoast cunt Susan Collins is speaking out about this now, and she's notorious for waiting until the last possible minute for speaking out until she can no longer ignore it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/511966-susan-collins-asks-postmaster-general-to-address-delays-of-critically-needed

This is blowing up.You're damn right it is.

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Completely radioactive to ST Trump supporters tho.

You know, those manly, brave patriots....

[Will Hunting]

Completely radioactive to ST Trump supporters tho.

You know, those manly, brave patriots....
You expect it from the Derp/Chris/ducks type Trump supporters at this point though.

If there was a time for any of the h:lolnest br:lolkers on ST to do some honest brokering and call Trump out, this is it, but not a peep from them.

[Blake]

Shit, I'd grab a pitchfork against a Democrat doing anything that blatant. This is insane. I'll allow it if Trump supporters are in denial out of some sort of shock at finding out he's really that bad-- but they're pumping their tiny fists in support.

I almost think Trump could murder someone in cold blood in Times Square and they'd all yell maaaagaaaa

[Blake]

You expect it from the Derp/Chris/ducks type Trump supporters at this point though.

If there was a time for any of the h:lolnest br:lolkers on ST to do some honest brokering and call Trump out, this is it, but not a peep from them.

It's insane.

[Will Hunting]

DarrinS, did the post office in your area get a warning, or do you not care about this since it doesn't affect mail for da zip code?

[Will Hunting]

I almost think Trump could murder someone in cold blood in Times Square and they'd all yell maaaagaaaa
Plenty of the 200,000 people he's murdered lived near Time Square if that counts for something.

[ChumpDumper]

Not even subtle.
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[Will Hunting]

They're now removing mailboxes in Oregon:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/united-states-postal-service-confirmed-it-has-removed-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene/

This is fucking insane. Anyone who isn't bothered by this is a piece of shit.

[Blake]

Plenty of the 200,000 people he's murdered lived near Time Square if that counts for something.

CUOMO IN APRIL SENT THEM TO NURSING HOMES

[Will Hunting]

Not even subtle.
1294344659385249792 CosmicCowboy, is removing 671 mail sorting machines just reform the post office needs? If so, how does removing machines that create efficiency and make it so the USPS can sort mail faster aid in "reforming" the USPS to make it solvent? Seems to me like it does the exact opposite.

[ChumpDumper]

They're now removing mailboxes in Oregon:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/united-states-postal-service-confirmed-it-has-removed-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene/

This is fucking insane. Anyone who isn't bothered by this is a piece of shit.
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[SnakeBoy]

The only policy or action I saw CC speak out against was tariffs. The rest of the time it's he calls him a jackass or an idiot. Not much else.


Trump took away some of his deductions so I have no doubt he hates Trump. CC loves his welfare.

[clambake]

They're now removing mailboxes in Oregon:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/united-states-postal-service-confirmed-it-has-removed-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene/

This is fucking insane. Anyone who isn't bothered by this is a piece of shit.
Cowboy isn’t bothered.

[Will Hunting]

Cowboy isn’t bothered.
None of them are.

They're all pieces of shit who only want Democracy when it helps their party.

[Reck]

They're now removing mailboxes in Oregon:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/united-states-postal-service-confirmed-it-has-removed-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene/

This is fucking insane. Anyone who isn't bothered by this is a piece of shit.


1294254418569953280

I wouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions.


But those mailboxes aren’t being picked up because of Trump’s recent statements, USPS spokesperson Ernie Swanson tells Eugene Weekly. The Postal Service is picking up mailboxes because people are apparently mailing less during the pandemic. In Eugene, the Postal Service has targeted areas where there are multiple mailboxes and ensured there are one or two mailboxes left behind.


Swanson adds that the decision is made to remove mailboxes when mail carriers noticed there are fewer than 40 or 50 items in a mailbox for several days in a row.

http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2020/08/13/why-the-usps-is-removing-eugene-mailboxes/

This makes sense.

I'm not really too worried about mailboxes being removed due to lack of use or whatever. I'm more concerned about the lack of funding that affects more than just mail in ballots regardless of if you drop your mail in one of these mail boxes or go to the post office yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

1294369456764923904

This is just unraveling now.

Thanks to Trump's incompetency, this could be sorted out soon, making Trump fold....again.They were planning this way before DeJoy was appointed. They started planning as soon as they found out how bad the pandemic was going to be.

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[Will Hunting]

Normally I don't care this much, but I'm joining a protest tomorrow in my area about what's going on with the USPS.

I encourage everyone else who cares about this to check and do the same if one is happening in your zip code.

[Will Hunting]

I wouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions.





http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2020/08/13/why-the-usps-is-removing-eugene-mailboxes/

This makes sense.

I'm not really too worried about mailboxes being removed due to lack of use or whatever. I'm more concerned about the lack of funding that affects more than just mail in ballots regardless of if you drop your mail in one of these mail boxes or go to the post office yourself.
Let me know when mailboxes are removed from rural areas full of sister fucking Trump supporters.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions.





http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2020/08/13/why-the-usps-is-removing-eugene-mailboxes/

This makes sense.

I'm not really too worried about mailboxes being removed due to lack of use or whatever. I'm more concerned about the lack of funding that affects more than just mail in ballots regardless of if you drop your mail in one of these mail boxes or go to the post office yourself.
so they are removing mailboxes because they've had less mail traffic in recent months... while they also full well know there are going to be a shitload of ballots being mailed in november. are they going to bring them all back by then?

[Spurminator]

The fact that this administration can continually do things like this and maintain 80%+ approval rating among Republicans is Exhibit A on why that cancerous party needs to fucking die. If you still approve of everything you're seeing here (and I recognize that some people are just politically unaware), you're an unamerican piece of shit.

[Will Hunting]

If Obama was president and mail boxes were being removed from Harrison Arkansas near where the KKK is headquartered, Fox News would be calling for Obama's head with all kinds of conspiracy theories. Trump has done absolutely nothing to deserve being given the benefit of the doubt on thinks like mail box removal.

[Spurminator]

If y'all think the riots are bad now...

[Will Hunting]

If y'all think the riots are bad now...
This is something worth rioting over. Cocaine Mitch is an amoral piece of shit who's only going to break from Trump on it if he sees total outrage from the American public.

[RandomGuy]

I wouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions.





http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2020/08/13/why-the-usps-is-removing-eugene-mailboxes/

This makes sense.

I'm not really too worried about mailboxes being removed due to lack of use or whatever. I'm more concerned about the lack of funding that affects more than just mail in ballots regardless of if you drop your mail in one of these mail boxes or go to the post office yourself.

I am more worried about the 671 high speed sorting machines that they started taking down in June...

[RandomGuy]

Come on TSA

You sack of shit coward, get in here and explain why this is ok.

[ChumpDumper]

so they are removing mailboxes because they've had less mail traffic in recent months... while they also full well know there are going to be a shitload of ballots being mailed in november. are they going to bring them all back by then?Yeah, I'm not buying this.

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Looks like they're trying to keep Bullock from flipping the Senate seat.

[Will Hunting]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/lawmakers-postal-delay-mail-order-medicine-vets-72374343

Conservatives have made it clear they could give two fucks about Trump sabotaging the USPS to win an election, but what about the part where veterans don't get their meds on time because of delays in delivery? Is veterans dying or being hospitalized because they don't get their medicine what will finally get Conservatives to grow a conscience?

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042), any veterans in your zip code who might be affect by this?
CosmicCowboy, is making it so veterans go without their medicine part of the reform the USPS needs?

[Reck]

I am more worried about the 671 high speed sorting machines that they started taking down in June...

For example, yeah.

In the long run, removing mailboxes or keeping them where they are doesn't matter if the damage is being done at the processing center. You can find always find a mailbox somewhere in the city but if the place where they end up has no machines to sort them, well..

I definitely smell massive protests incoming over this.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, I'm not buying this.

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Be interesting to plot the voting patterns in the areas where those things are being removed...

[Reck]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/lawmakers-postal-delay-mail-order-medicine-vets-72374343

Conservatives have made it clear they could give two fucks about Trump sabotaging the USPS to win an election, but what about the part where veterans don't get their meds on time because of delays in delivery? Is veterans dying or being hospitalized because they don't get their medicine what will finally get Conservatives to grow a conscience?

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042), any veterans in your zip code who might be affect by this?

Darrin is 3 Vodka in deep, son. Try him again tomorrow.

[RandomGuy]

For example, yeah.

In the long run, removing mailboxes or keeping them where they are doesn't matter if the damage is being done at the processing center. You can find always find a mailbox somewhere in the city but if the place where they end up has no machines to sort them, well..

I definitely smell massive protests incoming over this.

Ima gonna be calling Cruz/Cornyn's offices daily about this, starting this evening.

[RandomGuy]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/lawmakers-postal-delay-mail-order-medicine-vets-72374343

Conservatives have made it clear they could give two fucks about Trump sabotaging the USPS to win an election, but what about the part where veterans don't get their meds on time because of delays in delivery? Is veterans dying or being hospitalized because they don't get their medicine what will finally get Conservatives to grow a conscience?

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042), any veterans in your zip code who might be affect by this?
CosmicCowboy, is making it so veterans go without their medicine part of the reform the USPS needs?

Prolly not.

[Will Hunting]

For example, yeah.

In the long run, removing mailboxes or keeping them where they are doesn't matter if the damage is being done at the processing center. You can find always find a mailbox somewhere in the city but if the place where they end up has no machines to sort them, well..

I definitely smell massive protests incoming over this.
It's not that simple.

It's election day, you're already running late and your boss is an asshole who loves to fire people for being late. The mailbox you've always used isn't there anymore, and you have no idea where the closest one is. You gonna drive around forever to make sure your ballot is mailed on time, or are you going to get to work to make sure you keep your job?

The premise that everyone has the ability to drive around looking for a mailbox is flawed.

[GB20]

Man!! This fucking president and his supporters don’t have rock bottom.

[ChumpDumper]

Be interesting to plot the voting patterns in the areas where those things are being removed...Yeah they know where people voted for Tester in 2018.

https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/montana/senate/

Probably need a zip code map to really make a determination.

[DMC]

If Obama was president and mail boxes were being removed from Harrison Arkansas near where the KKK is headquartered, Fox News would be calling for Obama's head with all kinds of conspiracy theories. Trump has done absolutely nothing to deserve being given the benefit of the doubt on thinks like mail box removal.

And people here would be celebrating it as a cost saving measure.

[DMC]

Darrin is 3 Vodka in deep, son. Try him again tomorrow.

:lol lightweight

[Will Hunting]

And people here would be celebrating it as a cost saving measure.
I guess we won't ever know since it's Trump who's sabotaging the USPS to steal an election, not Obama.

[Winehole23]

If y'all think the riots are bad now...Where does one go to protest Post Office corruption? The outward facing defensive cordon in some sense is right symbolically, but you wouldn't want to discourage anyone from using the post office, because that's what's being protested.

Where do you see these riots happening?

[baseline bum]

Normally I don't care this much, but I'm joining a protest tomorrow in my area about what's going on with the USPS.

I encourage everyone else who cares about this to check and do the same if one is happening in your zip code.

Hopefully you don't get disappeared by Trump's SchutzStaffel

[Will Hunting]

Where does one go to protest Post Office corruption? The outward facing defensive cordon in some sense is right symbolically, but you wouldn't want to discourage anyone from using the post office, because that's what's being protested.

Where do you see these riots happening?
The protest tomorrow is happening in front of DeJoy's condo :lol

[Spurminator]

Where does one go to protest Post Office corruption? The outward facing defensive cordon in some sense is right symbolically, but you wouldn't want to discourage anyone from using the post office, because that's what's being protested.

Where do you see these riots happening?

Same places you see them happening now

[Spurminator]

And people here would be celebrating it as a cost saving measure.

Lazy both-sidesing with no substance. Plenty of libs would rip Obama for doing the same thing. You're projecting your own cheerleading/cowardice.

[Will Hunting]

Lazy both-sidesing with no substance. Plenty of libs would rip Obama for doing the same thing. You're projecting your own cheerleading/cowardice.
:lol the short substanceless responses from the conservatives ITT and their refusal to engage on the subject tells you all you need to know. Even when they have no way to defend something Trump is doing, they just tune it out and pretend it's not happening.

[RandomGuy]

And people here would be celebrating it as a cost saving measure.

The same entity that can handle 2bn Christmas cards in the month after the election... suddenly has problems handling a few million ballots, after Trump says he wants to stop mail in voting to get re-elected? Because more people actually voting threatens Republicans. (his words)

Report: Post Office warns 46 states about mail voting delays
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-post-office-warns-46-states-about-mail-voting-delays/ar-BB17YBpI

Hey I'm not asking you anything hard, like defining something. I know you are too lazy for that.

Seems like expressing some concern about actively destroying democracy to cling to power is too much as well. Coward.

[Winehole23]

DMC doesn't give a shit about democracy or its destruction, even though once upon a time he took an oath to.

[Winehole23]

If y'all think the riots are bad now...e.g.,

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[Spurs Homer]

Good to finally see some outrage

heres the bad news

putin/trump have 80 - plus days to unleash MORE of putins authoritarian playbook


like I said in the putin thread:

putin has never had all his dreams of usa destruction come true so bigly - until trump-
And he will stop at nothing to re-install his asset in ofc


Trump has two choices...
steal the election or go to prison

he will stop at nothing


im glad to see some outrage as i have been outraged since trump stole the last election and only wish someone would have taken out this cancer permanently in the last 4 years


never have i wished that on anyone in my life

but our country is being stolen under our noses and americans have been snoozing along as if this was just “politics”


again- the bad news:

There is more fuckery to be unleashed.

[Reck]

First domino has fallen.

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The blatant way in which this was being done was too much it appears. Gotta keep the pressure and the spotlight on.

[Winehole23]

20% of Americans receive their medicine exclusively through the mail

http://www.ncpa.co/adherence/AdherenceReportCard_Full.pdfBump.

[Winehole23]

Winehole23 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14613) is the only even halfway c.onservative here gives two shits about fair elections. The rest of the right here thinks it's either funny or justified that Trump is trying to steal the election.Man, I am not doctrinaire. When I started posting here 12 years ago, I was more of a libertarian dickhead.

Now I think the ratchet went too far right.

[Winehole23]

Where does one go to protest Post Office corruption? The outward facing defensive cordon in some sense is right symbolically, but you wouldn't want to discourage anyone from using the post office, because that's what's being protested.

Where do you see these riots happening?Btw, Southern states liked to destroy abolitionist mail and sometimes US Post offices that distributed it. Keeping this in mind, a lot of the newspaper related postal crimes come into focus.

[Winehole23]

Man, I am not doctrinaire. When I started posting here 12 years ago, I was more of a libertarian dickhead.

Now I think the ratchet went too far right.For that, I blame Obama as much as Bush, and those two only slightly more than Clinton and GHWB.

[Winehole23]

The fact that this administration can continually do things like this and maintain 80%+ approval rating among Republicans is Exhibit A on why that cancerous party needs to fucking die. If you still approve of everything you're seeing here (and I recognize that some people are just politically unaware), you're an unamerican piece of shit.

https://isaw.nyu.edu/members/te20-40nyu.edu/more-image-tests/burnitalldownchild.jpg/image_preview (https://isaw.nyu.edu/members/te20-40nyu.edu/more-image-tests/burnitalldownchild.jpg/image_view_fullscreen)

[Winehole23]

fwiw, this is classic maladminstration and impeachable per se...

[Winehole23]

...in a functional republic.

[Winehole23]

Same places you see them happening nowHow do you protest the Post Office without fucking up the Post Office, which you don't want to do?

Just storm the White House? What's the effective tactic?

[Spurs Homer]

First domino has fallen.

1294454382189256704

The blatant way in which this was being done was too much it appears. Gotta keep the pressure and the spotlight on.

children in cages was similar in that the trump criminals announced that they had stopped the practice...


then when the heat was off

they resumed the concentration camps

[Spurminator]

How do you protest the Post Office without fucking up the Post Office, which you don't want to do?

Just storm the White House? What's the effective tactic?

I'm not going to pretend the tactics are always logical or effective. But just as riots over white supremacy often happen in black neighborhoods, there's no reason to believe riots over a stolen election would target post offices. Most likely it would be the same city areas you see getting fires and smashed windows the past couple months.

[Will Hunting]

More or less every Republican ITT:

VN_E1iB63Ko

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294669686525894657

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294671196404027394

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294675163573870594

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294676480224636928

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294669686525894657

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294671196404027394

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294675163573870594

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1294676480224636928How does destroying sorting machines help the Postal Service?

[clambake]

Pizza coupons must be stopped!

[koriwhat]

lmao the TDS and butthurt is real with you pussies!

[ChumpDumper]

lmao the TDS and butthurt is real with you pussies!I am going to trigger you now.

[Reck]

I am going to trigger you now.

Kill yourself.

Signed
-Koriwhat AKA Calfie.

[Will Hunting]

Triggered Joey tbh, struggling with MCTD (mad calf tat disease)

[Will Hunting]

For $1 a month, you can help Joey in his fight against MCTD

[clambake]

Triggered Joey tbh, struggling with MCTD (mad calf tat disease)

Lol

[clambake]

A dollar a month lol

[Reck]

A dollar a month lol

If there is anything crackheads do well is that they know how to really stretch a dollar.

[Winehole23]

I'm not going to pretend the tactics are always logical or effective. But just as riots over white supremacy often happen in black neighborhoods, there's no reason to believe riots over a stolen election would target post offices. Most likely it would be the same city areas you see getting fires and smashed windows the past couple months.The bolded brings it into focus for me, I thought you and Will Hunting were saying riots were imminent. Little doubt things will be gnarly after the election.

[Winehole23]

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Arizona

[Will Hunting]

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Arizona
Hold off on congratulating Arizona, Doucey is behind only Kemp and DeathSantis in terms of being a Trump sycophant. I doubt this goes anywhere.

Only a matter of time before an attorney general in a blue state opens up an investigation though. If people in Congress weren't lazy as fuck I'd say end the recess early and start issuing subpoenas but that's not going to happen.

[Winehole23]

Hold off on congratulating Arizona, Doucey is behind only Kemp and DeathSantis in terms of being a Trump sycophant. I doubt this goes anywhere.

Only a matter of time before an attorney general in a blue state opens up an investigation though. If people in Congress weren't lazy as fuck I'd say end the recess early and start issuing subpoenas but that's not going to happen.I like the trend, even if it was started by a Trump toadie who eventually declines to prosecute.

[InRareForm]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8630863/Protesters-gather-outside-USPS-Postmaster-Generals-home-amid-voter-suppression-allegations.html

Love seeing this

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, not a chance Arizona's AG investigates this:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/02/12/attorney-general-mark-brnovich-fights-uphold-voter-suppression-law/4734847002/

[boutons_deux]

For Trash/Mnuchin to give the $10B, USPS must give Mnuchin of all of its proprietary business data.

Which other CARES-bailed-out company had to give data to Mnuchin in order to get the funds?

Mnuchin will give the USPS data to predatory Capitalists that will use the information

to attack, defund, bankrupt and take over USPS,

kill the postal workers union,

dump the USPS pension obligations on taxpayers,

close many 1000s of the USPS' 31K offices,

fire 100Ks of USPS employees.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, not a chance Arizona's AG investigates this:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/02/12/attorney-general-mark-brnovich-fights-uphold-voter-suppression-law/4734847002/I guess they wanted to be first to absolve Trump of fucking up the mail on purpose.

[Will Hunting]

How does destroying sorting machines help the Postal Service?
Are any Trump supporters (or h:lolnest br:lolkers) going to explain how removing sorting machines that make the post office more efficient (thereby increasing the need for more manual labor) improves its financial condition? This is the part no one has even tried to explain.

[Will Hunting]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8630863/Protesters-gather-outside-USPS-Postmaster-Generals-home-amid-voter-suppression-allegations.html

Love seeing this
I was there for a few hours this morning. It needs to start happening in other cities. People in Philly and Milwaukee should be going ballistic right now, those are the two obvious swing state population centers Trump is targeting.

[Reck]

Are any Trump supporters (or h:lolnest br:lolkers) going to explain how removing sorting machines that make the post office more efficient (thereby increasing the need for more manual labor) improves its financial condition? This is the part no one has even tried to explain.

Dont worry. TSA will come in shortly flooding you with 10 tweets in a row letting someone else explain how this is actually a 3D chess move by Trump that is actually beneficial to us.

[Will Hunting]

Dont worry. TSA will come in shortly flooding you with 10 tweets in a row letting someone else explain how this is actually a 3D chess move by Trump that is actually beneficial to us.
I'm sure none of those tweets will specifically address destroying sorting machines.

If the USPS is such an insolvent disaster, I'm also not sure why Trump waited 3.5 years to do anything about it. The timing of all these changes is the other thing Republicans don't want to talk about. He had 2 years with full congressional support to pass legislation to "fix" the USPS, but elected to wait 3 months before an election to make unilateral changes via a crony he made postmaster general.

[Will Hunting]

I always thought this scene from Office Space was disgruntled ex-employees breaking a copy machine after being laid off, turns out they were actually trying to improve the company's profitability and operating efficiency!

https://media.giphy.com/media/jBBRs81dGWHIY/giphy.gif

[Winehole23]

Are any Trump supporters (or h:lolnest br:lolkers) going to explain how removing sorting machines that make the post office more efficient (thereby increasing the need for more manual labor) improves its financial condition? This is the part no one has even tried to explain.Turning sorting machines off is one thing, say if they're not needed due to pandemic slacktime. But dismantling and removing them would have a direct effect on sorting capacity, no?

[Will Hunting]

Turning sorting machines off is one thing, say if they're not needed due to pandemic slacktime. But dismantling and removing them would have a direct effect on sorting capacity, no?

Some of them were taken off site and literally destroyed, not just dismantled and removed, as in it's not like they can be taken to another processing center and used now. I could see removing a sorting machine and moving it to another facility if they were changing logistics routes and rerouting mail to certain locations.

There's no plausible explanation for how literally destroying tens of millions of dollars of plant, property and equipment improves financial condition. Not in government or business.

[ChumpDumper]

Some of them were taken off site and literally destroyed, not just dismantled and removed, as in it's not like they can be taken to another processing center and used now. I could see removing a sorting machine and moving it to another facility if they were changing logistics routes and rerouting mail to certain locations.

There's no plausible explanation for how literally destroying tens of millions of dollars of plant, property and equipment improves financial condition. Not in government or business.THE PENSIONS! SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE![/TWEET]

[ChumpDumper]

The financial angle is pretty overblown IMO. The service [not a business] is set up to subsidize the costs for the consumers -- especially the rugged individualists living in the sticks. If you want it to make a profit you need to say you want that model changed and let the USPS set its rates more like an actual business, including higher rates for rural folk compared to city folk.

No Trump supporter is even allowed to think about such things apparently.

[Will Hunting]

THE PENSIONS! SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE![/TWEET]
Only a matter of time before we get "A GAZILLION UNBORN BABIES ARE ABORTED EVERY 15 SECONDS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND YOU'RE CRYING ABOUT THE POST OFFICE?!?!?" after they're done cycling through their repertoire of complaints regarding bloated government employee pensions / poorly run government agencies that need to be more like a BUSINESS. You know Conservatives are really out of things to say when they try shoehorning abortion into a discussion.

[koriwhat]

lmao

[Will Hunting]

The financial angle is pretty overblown IMO. The service [not a business] is set up to subsidize the costs for the consumers -- especially the rugged individualists living in the sticks. If you want it to make a profit you need to say you want that model changed and let the USPS set its rates more like an actual business, including higher rates for rural folk compared to city folk.

No Trump supporter is even allowed to think about such things apparently.
The fact they're targeting urban areas as a way to "cut costs" shows how much of a charade this is. The urban areas aren't where they lose money, Bumfuck North Dakota is, where they deliver mail at a much less efficient rate. Making people in flyover states wait longer for for mail would save a lot more money than delaying mail in inner city Philadelphia.

[ChumpDumper]

Only a matter of time before we get "A GAZILLION UNBORN BABIES ARE ABORTED EVERY 15 SECONDS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND YOU'RE CRYING ABOUT THE POST OFFICE?!?!?" after they're done cycling through their repertoire of complaints regarding bloated government employee pensions / poorly run government agencies that need to be more like a BUSINESS. You know Conservatives are really out of things to say when they try shoehorning abortion into a discussion.SOMETHING SOMETHING JUNK MAIL!

[Blake]

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Trump admits he’s blocking postal cash to stop mail-in votes
By DEB RIECHMANN and ANTHONY IZAGUIRRE
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump frankly acknowledged Thursday that he’s starving the U.S. Postal Service of money in order to make it harder to process an expected surge of mail-in ballots, which he worries could cost him the election.

In an interview on Fox Business Network, Trump explicitly noted two funding provisions that Democrats are seeking in a relief package that has stalled on Capitol Hill. Without the additional money, he said, the Postal Service won’t have the resources to handle a flood of ballots from voters who are seeking to avoid polling places during the coronavirus pandemic.

“If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money,” Trump told host Maria Bartiromo. “That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting; they just can’t have it.”

https://apnews.com/14a2ceda724623604cc8d8e5ab9890ed


Blatant Trump. Apathetic conservatives.

[DMC]

The same entity that can handle 2bn Christmas cards in the month after the election... suddenly has problems handling a few million ballots, after Trump says he wants to stop mail in voting to get re-elected? Because more people actually voting threatens Republicans. (his words)

Report: Post Office warns 46 states about mail voting delays
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-post-office-warns-46-states-about-mail-voting-delays/ar-BB17YBpI

Hey I'm not asking you anything hard, like defining something. I know you are too lazy for that.

Seems like expressing some concern about actively destroying democracy to cling to power is too much as well. Coward.

Lie followed by ad hom. Typical RG, the math wizard.


DMC doesn't give a shit about democracy or its destruction, even though once upon a time he took an oath to.
Reagan was in office when I took the oath.

Military service good now.


Lazy both-sidesing with no substance. Plenty of libs would rip Obama for doing the same thing. You're projecting your own cheerleading/cowardice.Not plenty here. I did say "here". :lol calling someone a coward behind a pseudonym and a monitor. Real brave.


Pizza coupons must be stopped!That's enough reason right there.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the short substanceless responses from the conservatives ITT and their refusal to engage on the subject tells you all you need to know. Even when they have no way to defend something Trump is doing, they just tune it out and pretend it's not happening.:lmao

[spurraider21]

calling you a coward isn't ad hom

claiming that your argument is wrong because you are a coward would be ad hom

[Reck]

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Time to get this movement going full steam.

[Winehole23]

fwiw, a former RNC Chair, Mike Duncan, currently chairs the USPS Board of Governors:


In 2018 federal disclosure filings (https://www.congress.gov/115/chrg/CHRG-115shrg32453/CHRG-115shrg32453.pdf) during his confirmation, Duncan listed himself as the current chairman of the Senate Leadership Fund -- a $100 million (https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00571703) Senate-focused Republican super PAC whose 2020 electoral goals could hinge on vote-by-mail systems during the coronavirus pandemic. Duncan was listed (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7036795-SLF-VA-Annual-Report-2019.html) as a director of the Senate Leadership Fund in an annual report the super PAC filed in Virginia in August 2019. CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/politics/senate-2020-mcconnell-republicans/index.html) reported in January 2020 that the Republican effort to retain the Senate includes “McConnell's super PAC, the Senate Leadership Fund, which is helmed by Mike Duncan, the former RNC chairman and a Kentuckian.”

“Outside of government service, he served as Chairman of the Republican National Committee from 2007 to 2009,” Duncan’s official USPS biography (https://about.usps.com/who/leadership/board-governors/robert-duncan.htm) notes. “As RNC Chairman, he raised an unprecedented $428 million and grew the donor base to 1.8 million -- more donors than at any time in RNC history.”

The biography also says “Duncan was also President and CEO of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity,” which represents the coal industry that Trump has sought to bolster (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/trump-plan-would-rescue-coal-industry-expense-climate-change/1491339001/).

https://sirota.substack.com/p/trumps-postal-service-chairman-has

[Winehole23]

In his statement to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, Duncan wrote (https://www.congress.gov/115/chrg/CHRG-115shrg32453/CHRG-115shrg32453.pdf) that he had been “advised that it is the Postal Service's position that an appearance of impropriety may be created by my holding any financial interests in its competitors,” including Amazon. As a result, Duncan pledged to divest his Amazon holdings, which he said he had acquired through a “profit sharing plan.”

[Winehole23]

it's an interesting point, and an interesting thread with pretty good conversation. Orin Kerr used to blog at Volokh Conspiracy.

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[InRareForm]

F that

[Winehole23]

F thatit's a side point really. I mentioned it because I thought there was a constitutional mandate. There may not be. But Congress is given the power to create a Post Office, and having done that --as pointed out in the comments --I don't really see how it's the President's to fuck up because he's scared he might lose.

[Winehole23]

20% of Americans receive their medicine exclusively through the mail

http://www.ncpa.co/adherence/AdherenceReportCard_Full.pdfbimp

[Winehole23]

(showing from the proponents of Postal reform has been notably weak ITT)

[DMC]

or your ballot

I don't do mail in ballots.

[DMC]

DMC is basically saying democracy is for fags

USPS = democracy now

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the short substanceless responses from the conservatives ITT and their refusal to engage on the subject tells you all you need to know. Even when they have no way to defend something Trump is doing, they just tune it out and pretend it's not happening.

[baseline bum]

USPS = democracy now

死ね

[Winehole23]

I don't do mail in ballots.
lol cheering on the Vandals

[Winehole23]

OMG not the postal service! Who's going to deliver my neighbor's mail to my house now?OMG, if Trump can screw up the mail in Philadelphia, maybe he can steal Pwnnsylvania.

[ElNono]

it's a side point really. I mentioned it because I thought there was a constitutional mandate. There may not be. But Congress is given the power to create a Post Office, and having done that --as pointed out in the comments --I don't really see how it's the President's to fuck up because he's scared he might lose.

Congress exercised that power, tbh...

[clambake]

No offense, you guys talk about a constitution that doesn’t exist anymore.

[Winehole23]

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[Blake]

No offense, you guys talk about a constitution that doesn’t exist anymore.

Except for muh second amendment tho

[Reck]

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Democrats playing nice again. They "called" on him to come.

He'll just ignore it.

Send 100 subpoenas and if he still refuses, actually follow through with monetary sanctions. I bet he'll feel it then.

[Will Hunting]

Good to see that Pelosi might call Congress back early to investigate this and start issuing subpoenas.

If I were Trump I’d have Dejoy reverse all the changes he’s made. If this is still a headline story 1 month from now black voters in areas like Philly and Milwaukee are all going to be voting early.

[TSA]

Good to see that Pelosi might call Congress back early to investigate this and start issuing subpoenas.

If I were Trump I’d have Dejoy reverse all the changes he’s made. If this is still a headline story 1 month from now black voters in areas like Philly and Milwaukee are all going to be voting early.DeJoy fired the whole leadership team of USPS in a Friday Night Massacre.
False.
This is in reference to the Saturday Night Massacre, when Nixon fired several high level staffers or forced them to resign in an attempt to cover up the Watergate Scandal. DeJoy did make some changes to the leadership of USPS when he became Postmaster General. But leadership changes when there’s a new Postmaster General is not unusual. In fact, the previous Postmaster General, Megan Brennan, made her own leadership changes when she took the position in 2015 and made leadership changes again in January 2019.
“The announcement on Friday set forth a change to organizational structure only,” USPS spokesman David Partenheimer told Motherboard. “The announcement did not include any terminations or layoffs and very specifically stated that the changes did not initiate a reduction in force and there were no immediate impacts to USPS employees.”
Source.
In fact when you compare the organizational charts from before and after the announcement, you can see that most of the changes are actually promotions of existing staff in a slightly different organizational structure. So it would be misleading to liken the situation to a Saturday Night Massacre.
USPS was destroying mail-sorting machines used to sort mail-in ballots.
True, but likely for cost-efficiency reasons.
So, yes, USPS is deactivating mail-sorting machines that sort some types of mail, including mail ballots. Some of these are being relocated, but there does appear to be an outright reduction going on with the remainder being dismantled. But despite the phrasing by Vice that the documentation shows “plans to hobble mail sorting,” the intention does not appear to be to slow the sorting of mail.
Vice does have the good sense to note that the plan to reorganize and rightsize the sorting machines is dated May 15, a month before DeJoy took office and less than a week after the Board of Governors announced his selection. Not only that, but the document shows that earlier deadlines were missed and gives extended deadlines, which implies that this plan had already been around for quite some time.
And other facts back the reasoning of the plan. The type of mail these machines sort are decreasing in volume, including down more than 15% just this year compared to last year.
In other words, DBCSs have less mail to sort than they ever have before and it’s far from clear how much of that mail is ever coming back. So it stands to reason the USPS might not need as many of them.
The necessity and prior existence of this plan is further enforced by the Inspector General’s September 2019 report on processing network optimization. The report describes how USPS has been trying, and failing, to consolidate processing and rightsize infrastructure in order to reduce costs. In fact, the issue has been researched since as early as 2012 by the Government Accountability Office, and the volume of mail has only declined further since then.
This action also aligns with the five-year strategic plan that was published before DeJoy was even selected: “Continuously optimize location of network processing operations and equipment as mail volumes decline and parcel volumes increase.”
Postal workers argue that USPS should keep the machines, but not use them, in the off chance that they’re needed or parts can be used to fix ones that are being used. I see the reasoning in that, so I would like to hear more from DeJoy on this as well.

USPS told election officials that voters’ ballots won’t arrive in time to be counted.
True, but not in the way you think.
This one is mostly a miscommunication issue. USPS has warned 46 states about how it can handle election mail. But the letters are an attempt to preserve the election, rather than undermine it.
When local election officials distribute pre-paid postage envelopes with absentee ballots, they have two options: use First Class Mail or use Marketing Mail. First Class Mail is more expensive but faster (2–5), whereas Marketing Mail is cheaper but slower (3–10 days).
Apparently, USPS has informally treated both types of election mail the same, expediting both whenever possible. So local election officials have been opting for Marketing Mail in order to save on costs. (Side bar: elections are funded at the local level and chronically underfunded.)
But USPS cannot do that anymore, because it’s costly. And therefore, election mail will be treated as its paid category. This means some election officials may be advising voters to return ballots on timelines that wouldn’t actually meet the state law’s deadlines. For example, many election officials are saying to return mail ballots a week ahead of time; but seven days might not be enough time for some Marketing Mail, which could take up to ten.
So, again, the letter from USPS was an attempt to warn election officials and preserve the election, rather undermine it. If DeJoy had wanted to undermine the election, he simply could have chosen not to warn the election officials at all.
https://medium.com/@nharpermn/stop-panicking-about-the-post-office-8bcd689b9601

[TSA]

In a statement to Business Insider, a USPS representative, Dave Partenheimer, said the notion that mail-sorting machines were being deactivated to sabotage mail-in voting was "erroneous."

"The Postal Service routinely moves equipment around its network as necessary to match changing mail and package volumes," Partenheimer said. "Package volume is up, but mail volume continues to decline. Adapting our processing infrastructure to the current volumes will ensure more efficient, cost effective operations and better service for our customers."

[clambake]

Complete horse shit

[Will Hunting]

Postal workers argue that USPS should keep the machines, but not use them, in the off chance that they’re needed or parts can be used to fix ones that are being used. I see the reasoning in that, so I would like to hear more from DeJoy on this as well.
So the article you posted agrees with me that there's no logical reason to remove sorting machines from processing centers when you're not replacing them with anything else.

[ChumpDumper]

So where did the equipment go?

[Will Hunting]

Adapting our processing infrastructure to the current volumes will ensure more efficient, cost effective operations and better service for our customers."
Except none of this is happening. There are people going weeks without getting mail, in some cases veterans who get their prescription by mail and rely on it coming on time. Nothing about the changes Dejoy has made have led to better service for customers.

DeJoy's "warning" to the 46 states was completely reactionary. It came after this story had already gotten a lot of attention and people were reporting significant delays in receiving mail. If Dejoy was really trying to get in front of this, he would have announced the delays back in June so pharmacies that send prescriptions by mail would have had time to send meds early and also so election officials would have had more time. The idea that him waiting until August is him trying to "protect the election" is hilarious.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol leave it to TSA to find some rando Baghdad Bob medium article by a lobbyist. Probably got the link from AR15.com.

[TSA]

So the article you posted agrees with me that there's no logical reason to remove sorting machines from processing centers when you're not replacing them with anything else.

No, it doesn’t agree there is no logical reason and gives a logical reason.

And other facts back the reasoning of the plan. The type of mail these machines sort are decreasing in volume, including down more than 15% just this year compared to last year.
In other words, DBCSs have less mail to sort than they ever have before and it’s far from clear how much of that mail is ever coming back. So it stands to reason the USPS might not need as many of them.

You got yourself all worked up over a nothingburger. You blamed DeJoy when the plan was in place before he was even appointed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1295016127110815745

[spurraider21]

USPS Saturday Night Massacre?

FALSE. nobody was actually massacred

[TSA]

USPS Saturday Night Massacre?

FALSE. nobody was actually massacred

They were promoted :lol

[ChumpDumper]

No, it doesn’t agree there is no logical reason and gives a logical reason.

And other facts back the reasoning of the plan. The type of mail these machines sort are decreasing in volume, including down more than 15% just this year compared to last year.
In other words, DBCSs have less mail to sort than they ever have before and it’s far from clear how much of that mail is ever coming back. So it stands to reason the USPS might not need as many of them.

You got yourself all worked up over a nothingburger. You blamed DeJoy when the plan was in place before he was even appointed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1295016127110815745:lmao Trying to pin this on Obama now.

What has changed between 2012 and 2020?

Anything?

[Will Hunting]

No, it doesn’t agree there is no logical reason and gives a logical reason.

And other facts back the reasoning of the plan. The type of mail these machines sort are decreasing in volume, including down more than 15% just this year compared to last year.
In other words, DBCSs have less mail to sort than they ever have before and it’s far from clear how much of that mail is ever coming back. So it stands to reason the USPS might not need as many of them.

You got yourself all worked up over a nothingburger. You blamed DeJoy when the plan was in place before he was even appointed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayJrStaves/status/1295016127110815745
So a decrease in volume is a reason to turn them off and not use them. As the article states, it doesn't make any sense that they would take the machines offsite and in some cases break them down. That's the part you're ignoring and intentionally not addressing.

[Will Hunting]

lol the author

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nharpermn/


Political lawyer, educator, and reformer. I love law, policy, and process; I hate politics

We've got another h:lolnest br:lolker on our hands :lol

[ChumpDumper]

From rando medium article:

People have claimed that Trump wants to slow down mail delivery through DeJoy in order to rig the election. Trump, being who he is, proved them right by admitting it in public. He stated that he didn’t want to give USPS money because it would enable them to deliver mail ballots more efficiently.

I believe Trump.

TSA thinks Trump is flat out lying.

[boutons_deux]

Except for muh second amendment tho

even that has been PERVERTED from an inducement to (Southern) slave owners to sign the Constitution:

"permitting arms (single shot muskets and pistols) for posses to hunt escaped slaves"

to

"high-capacity military assault weapons everywhere, all the time for everyone with no permit or regulations, for profit"

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Trying to pin this on Obama now.

What has changed between 2012 and 2020?

Anything?
Somehow when Obama implemented USPS cost cutting measures, he did so without causing complete revolt by USPS workers and also with minimal impact on when mail is delivered.

Election or no election, if Obama appointed a postmaster general who immediately made a bunch of sweeping changes resulting veterans being unable to reliably get prescriptions by mail, that repressed faggot Lindsay Graham would have been crying bloody murder and launching an investigation.

[Reck]

TSA is gone. lol

[Blake]

TSA is gone. lol

Lol. Disappearing.jpg

[Winehole23]

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/More_than_she_can_carry_LCCN2012645201.jpg/220px-More_than_she_can_carry_LCCN2012645201.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:More_than_she_can_carry_LCCN2012645201.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Route_scandal

[Winehole23]

this is Doctorow's lede


After decades of a grinding bipartisan war of attrition waged by Congress against the US Postal Service, the US mail is now under direct assault from Trump and his crony, the new Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy.page one framing, for those still interesting in discussing the background who haven't dived in yet

[boutons_deux]

So where did the equipment go?

when, if ever, is it coming back.

Are the replacement machines ordered? when will they arrive?

Dave Partenheimer sounds like a bureaucratic weasel lifer, a Good German, who will do, say whatever the boss wants.

USPS long time employees have said they have never seen anything like the current Dejoy shenanigans, which are obviously "bad faith"

[DMC]

page one framing, for those still interesting in discussing the background who haven't dived in yet

Physical assault no doubt, maybe even sexual assault.