1st Round Matchup: Jazz vs. Nuggets

[DC23]

I'll go Nuggets in 6.

[KobesAchilles]

Nuggets in 5. Series won’t be close

[Robz4000]

Nuggets in 7.

[DC23]

Conley left the bubble for the birth of his child. He will miss at least the first game and could miss Games 2 and 3, possibly.

[lefty]

Conley left the bubble for the birth of his child. He will miss at least the first game and could miss Games 2 and 3, possibly.

brb gonna check racist Jazz fan twitter

[Arcadian]

Well this is pretty cool. Playoffs will be on all day every day for the next few weeks.

[D-Wade]

Conley still needs to quarantine when he gets back, not that he ever returned to Grizz form. Sweep or Nuggets in 5 at most.

[Arcadian]

Can they not turn the virtual fan noise up for the playoffs? You gotta do something to emulate the electric playoff vibe.

[Arcadian]

We got ourselves a good one

[Arcadian]

Mitchell :wow

[Arcadian]

if they lose because of that 8 second violation :lol

[Arcadian]

This deserves OT

[Play Boban]

Its so hard to watch this wit all the cringe worthy SJW virtue signaling :lmao

At least alpha Jokic isn’t a sheep.

[Arcadian]

Wooooooow. That sucks for Utah. That 8 second violation is the reason they lost. Murray's explosion literally started right after that.

[Killakobe81]

if they lose because of that 8 second violation :lol

This they did not directly ...
But if you up 4 less than 2 mins with the ball...
You have an 8 second violation and murray hits a 3 to cut to 1 thats a horribly costly turnover especially since it went to OT

[Killakobe81]

Its so hard to watch this wit all the cringe worthy SJW virtue signaling :lmao

At least alpha Jokic isn’t a sheep.

Dont watch if You are easily triggered by SJW messaging

[JamStone]

Dont watch if You are easily triggered by SJW messaging

But... but... but there are words on jerseys. Do you know how dangerous words on clothes can be?

It’s unforgivable. I mean, think about it. Words. On clothing. Despicable.

[lefty]

Can they not turn the virtual fan noise up for the playoffs? You gotta do something to emulate the electric playoff vibe.

Agreed

[Play Boban]

But... but... but there are words on jerseys. Do you know how dangerous words on clothes can be?

It’s unforgivable. I mean, think about it. Words. On clothing. Despicable.
I saw SJW on the wood too. In BIG letters

[DC23]

I'm revising to Nuggets in 4, 5 at worst. Mike Conley is a loser. Soonest he will be back is Game 4.

[140]

I saw SJW on the wood too. In BIG letters

the horror

[lefty]

lol snowflakes

[Spurtacular]

Yogurt and Donovan are playing. I guess they didn't die of the covid. It's a really good thing we shut down the country for that shit.

[Spurtacular]

It's since came out that people don't get COVID from surfaces. Rudy Gobert is a cog bitch.

[D-Wade]

Denver looks like they've quit out there.

[Killakobe81]

Hahaha so nany buying the fugazi Nuggs.
Jokic is a PG at center!
porter Jr is a poor man's KD
Murray (who i sorta like but not at max dollars) is a franchise player!
Nuggs are darkhorse title contenders!

Nope nope nope and nope. Solid playoff team that benefits from hca due to altitude. Nothing more...and in the bubble they not even that.

Sh iiiit, Spurs took them to 7 last year ...

[Killakobe81]

But... but... but there are words on jerseys. Do you know how dangerous words on clothes can be?

It’s unforgivable. I mean, think about it. Words. On clothing. Despicable.

I kbow ...right. And those trying to pin the ratings drop to itc s comical.covid season in august cotd cutters are all more of a factor...plus the product is kinda weak its all pace and space for half the NBA

[Splits]

Conley

[Arcadian]

Should be 3-0 if not for that 8-second violation

[DAF86]

This looks like a 7 games series, like every series the Nuggets are in.

[DAF86]

Nuggets couldn't challenge that missed Gobert foul on Murray?

[Killakobe81]

Nuggets couldn't challenge that missed Gobert foul on Murray?

Not a dead ball immediately after ...dead ball didnt occur til foul on Spida Mitchell.

Shouldnt need it tho that was a obvious missed call and refs need to be and fo better. It was a great onr on one showdon trafing bucket for bucket.

[DAF86]

Not a dead ball immediately after ...dead ball didnt occur til foul on Spida Mitchell.

Shouldnt need it tho that was a obvious missed call and refs need to be and fo better. It was a great onr on one showdon trafing bucket for bucket.

Didn't know that was a criteria. That's bullshit, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

This current Nuggets team is no different from the Melo/George Karl era.

[Arcadian]

Why doesn't Murray do shit like that more often? The Nuggets should be better than they are.

[Rummpd]

Great game Jazz seemed to choke now fighting back

[Rummpd]

Jazz gagging nothing to see here

[phxspurfan]

Not surprising at all Murray had a game like this. If DWhite can drop 30 against the Nuggz, Murray can drop 40 against the Jizz. He's a future star

[DC23]

I guess no one cares about this series but watching Mitchell and Murray go back and forth has been the highlight of the playoffs. This series has been fun, right up there with OKC/Rockets and a couple of the Mavs/Clippers games.

[Arcadian]

I guess no one cares about this series but watching Mitchell and Murray go back and forth has been the highlight of the playoffs. This series has been fun, right up there with OKC/Rockets and a couple of the Mavs/Clippers games.
I care! This series deserves to go 7.

[Chris Fall]

Yesterday was the first time the Nuggets played any defense all series. Would be curious if they had been better defensively out on the perimeter in games 2-4 with Harris and Barton available, at least enough to change the outlook of the series.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nuggets, when ur team doesnt have a arrogant star/franchise player, allows scrubs to take on bigger roles...whether they are fake stars or whatever, but that allows them scrub players to develop their games to ceiling or exceeding that ceiling...

remember last season with the murray vs white, if spurs had no wanker of a coach and wanker chuckers, i think younger players will have bigger roles and force to step up their games

[Will Hunting]

Haven’t paid much attention to the playoffs but Jesus Christ, watching this game and the defense is an abortion.

[Capt Bringdown]

Condensation on Chuck's coffee cup - that ain't coffee that cup. Mofo's pissed as a fart.

[lefty]

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[R. DeMurre]

A good thing to keep in mind with regards to Lonnie Walker, Keldon Johnson, and whoever the Spurs draft this year: Three years ago, the big debate in Denver was Emmanuel Mudiay vs Jamal Murray: who would be the better point guard?

[DAF86]

This looks like a 7 games series, like every series the Nuggets are in.

Too easy, tbh.

[lefty]

Haven’t paid much attention to the playoffs but Jesus Christ, watching this game and the defense is an abortion.

[140]

Haven’t paid much attention to the playoffs but Jesus Christ, watching this game and the defense is an abortion.
Welcome to t:loldays nba tbh

[Spurtacular]

Not gonna lie, these game suck. Can't even say Game 7 will be must watch viewing for me. Haven't caught a minute of this series yet.

[Will Hunting]

Welcome to t:loldays nba tbh
:lol the Jizz just kept letting Murray take step back threes over and over again. At some point you need to double him or change your defense to make someone else beat you.

[JamStone]

Agree to a certain extent.

But the problem with doubling in a halfcourt set all the way out beyond the three point line is that it almost always leads to a wide open corner three which even NBA role players have become wildly proficient at making, and sometimes it leads to a rotation where a 7 footer has a midget on him under the rim and gets essentially an uncontested dunk. Most good NBA teams after a couple times facing that double out on the perimeter will adjust and get not just a good shot but great shot from it.

To me, it’s more about trapping Murray fullcourt and denying hm the ball. Don’t let Murray be the one bringing up the ball. Deny him the ball as much as you can. If he still gets it and makes all those shots, tip your cap.

[lefty]

Welcome to t:loldays nba tbh
lol go watch Suns Sonics form 1993 and tell me if you see any defense (except from Payton's)

Thse defense were shit, hte Nuggets would have dropped 250 ppg on those teams tbh

[Neo.]

Not gonna lie, these game suck. Can't even say Game 7 will be must watch viewing for me. Haven't caught a minute of this series yet.

how would you know these games suck if you havent caught a minute of this series?

[Neo.]

Agree to a certain extent.

But the problem with doubling in a halfcourt set all the way out beyond the three point line is that it almost always leads to a wide open corner three which even NBA role players have become wildly proficient at making, and sometimes it leads to a rotation where a 7 footer has a midget on him under the rim and gets essentially an uncontested dunk. Most good NBA teams after a couple times facing that double out on the perimeter will adjust and get not just a good shot but great shot from it.

To me, it’s more about trapping Murray fullcourt and denying hm the ball. Don’t let Murray be the one bringing up the ball. Deny him the ball as much as you can. If he still gets it and makes all those shots, tip your cap.

this

either deny them, or youre just gonna have to live with them hitting ridiculous shots

same as with mike and his turnaround, sometimes theres just no answer, especially when the team is built right

[Spurtacular]

how would you know these games suck if you havent caught a minute of this series?

I've watch other playoff action, blob.

[Neo.]

I've watch other playoff action, blob.

has absolutely nothing to do with jazz/nuggets

you literally cannot know if you have not watched

[Spurtacular]

has absolutely nothing to do with jazz/nuggets

you literally cannot know if you have not watched

I caught highlights. It was as trash as the other games.

You need to get a hold of yourself.

[140]

lol go watch Suns Sonics form 1993 and tell me if you see any defense (except from Payton's)

Thse defense were shit, hte Nuggets would have dropped 250 ppg on those teams tbh

N:lol

[lefty]

N:lol
ok 250 pts was an exaggeration (duh) but I'm just saying those series weren't better defensively than the current Jazz vs Nuggets

[Spurtacular]

lol go watch Suns Sonics form 1993 and tell me if you see any defense (except from Payton's)

Thse defense were shit, hte Nuggets would have dropped 250 ppg on those teams tbh

Nate McMillan was great defensively.

Those 93 Sonics should've beat the Bulls, tbh.

[Neo.]

I caught highlights. It was as trash as the other games.

You need to get a hold of yourself.

oh so then you watched some of it

gotcha :tu

[Spurtacular]

oh so then you watched some of it

gotcha :tu

Live game time. No. And I didn't miss anything much, tbh.

I wouldn't mind catching Game 7. Game 7 of even a sucky series holds potential.

[Neo.]

Live game time. No. And I didn't miss anything much, tbh.

if you missed it, how would you know you didn't miss anything much?

[lefty]

Nate McMillan was great defensively.

Those 93 Sonics should've beat the Bulls, tbh.
In 93 they had Payton and Nate, who were both great defensively but in 93 the Sonics weren't great yet in terms of team defense
It's really when they added Kendall Gill thait defense became a problem, tey had a 3 headed monster in both full court and half court press and quick and effective double teams, forcing a lot of turnovers

Rockets or Sonics would have beaten the tbh that year

LOL Suns getting 64 FTs in game 7 :lol

ANd :lol at those who think Majerle was a good defender, any BS to prop MJ up I guess

Their backcourt got lit up by the corpse of Sedale Threatt in the 1st round, they almost lost the scrubby Lakers :lol
Then TOSB's Ricky Pierce and Eddie Johnson skull fucked Majerle :lol

[Killakobe81]

What Murray and mitchell have done is crazy but beither team plays any defense. Only shot either team has is hoping for a uptemp shoot out and PG 13 keeos firing blanks. Might have to try and get physical with Kawhu cuz Leonard is ginna drop dat shoulder and hit that turn around j which is automatic.

[TDfan2007]

There is no defense for what Murray is doing right now other than putting a Kawhi type defender on him and bothering him with length. Utah doesn't have that, and doubling that far out is dumb for the reasons already mentioned. If a guy is going to hit step back 3s and contested 3s all night, gotta tip your cap.

[JamStone]

There is no defense for what Murray is doing right now other than putting a Kawhi type defender on him and bothering him with length. Utah doesn't have that, and doubling that far out is dumb for the reasons already mentioned. If a guy is going to hit step back 3s and contested 3s all night, gotta tip your cap.

If you double out beyond the three point line, then be ready to give up uncontested dunks and wide open corner three pointers. If you can accept that, then okay.

The other thing with a guy like Murray or Dame when they’re in this type of zone, you can’t wait until they hit a couple to start the strategy. Can’t wait until you’re down 10 points to start doubling. When you do, those easy corner threes and wide open dunks just end up being shovels digging you a bigger hole to climb out of. If doubling is the strategy, do it from opening tip so Murray never gets it going. And accept that other guys may beat you on easy shot attempts. It’s basically a James Harden defensive strategy.

[TDfan2007]

If you double out beyond the three point line, then be ready to give up uncontested dunks and wide open corner three pointers. If you can accept that, then okay.

The other thing with a guy like Murray or Dame when they’re in this type of zone, you can’t wait until they hit a couple to start the strategy. Can’t wait until you’re down 10 points to start doubling. When you do, those easy corner threes and wide open dunks just end up being shovels digging you a bigger hole to climb out of. If doubling is the strategy, do it from opening tip so Murray never gets it going. And accept that other guys may beat you on easy shot attempts. It’s basically a James Harden defensive strategy.

Denver has the ancillary talent to make teams pay for doubling out that far. Having said that, I might start off with doubling to stop him from getting into a rhythm early, just like you mentioned, and see if the role players are up for it.

Conventional wisdom says that Murray won't keep this up for another game, and to not overreact, but idk. The guy is just on another level right now. No guard has played this well in a playoff series since maybe MJ...the shot making has been incredible.

[Rummpd]

Jazz epic fail so far in game 7

[MultiTroll]

Was that a Horry Hipcheck lite vs Murray by White boy?

[Spurtacular]

Another choke job by Utah?

[Arcadian]

:wow Gobert sending Jokic's shit back

[Killakobe81]

Man, Clippers laughing at this shit....

[Arcadian]

Interesting how game 7 is more a battle of centers, in contrast to the rest of the series.

[Killakobe81]

Interesting how game 7 is more a battle of centers, in contrast to the rest of the series.

Wont make excuses for mitchell or Murray but they do look tired ...but they young ...fight through it.Also murray looks labored after the Ingles foul but again ...fight thru it you a max player...

[Arcadian]

This is like a 90s/2000s game with the score and pace :lol

[Killakobe81]

Plus they loved all the accolades with all the highlights and 40 pt games ...now game 7 when it matters Gobert and Jokic carrying these guys for the most part ...

[Robz4000]

God, that sucks

[Darth_Pelican]

Wow. In & out. Crazy

[lefty]

:lol Denver’s BB IQ with the lead

ok I’ll make an exception today


:lol today’s NBA

[Arcadian]

Crazy to think that Utah should have swept. They lost game 1 due to an 8 second violation and then won the next 3.

[Texas_Ranger]

have fun losing to the clippers denver.

[lefty]

Gobert was fouled on that alley oop tho should puld have been an and 1

:cry “but you can’t touch a player today”

yeah ok lol

[gambit1990]

:lol Denver’s BB IQ with the lead

ok I’ll make an exception today


:lol today’s NBA
that was the first thing jokic mentioned in the post game interview. the very first thing he said was idk why they went for a layup at the end.

[daslicer]

Gobert was fouled on that alley oop tho should puld have been an and 1

:cry “but you can’t touch a player today”

yeah ok lol

You can't touch perimeter players while you are still allowed to physically assault bigs.

[daslicer]

Jokic was clutch in this game. He scored when they needed buckets and had some amazing passes in the 4th.

[gambit1990]

conley set to make $34.5 million next year.

[Killakobe81]

that was the first thing jokic mentioned in the post game interview. the very first thing he said was idk why they went for a layup at the end.

I called one of my homies that also coaches AAU ...
Both of us making our guards run suicides behind a dumb mistake like that

(I know millennials call it lines cuz suicides is insensitive ,,,but fuck that ...that deserves suicides)

[Killakobe81]

Jokic was clutch in this game. He scored when they needed buckets and had some amazing passes in the 4th.

100%
Murray have been hurt but it was Jokic that stepped up when it mattered most.
Clippers gonna work them ...

[Killakobe81]

conley set to make $34.5 million next year.

I questioned that deal at signing even with his heroic series vs KAwhi still fresh.
Dumb then worse now

[Killakobe81]

Even coach Malone clalled out that layup and Murray specifically ...
even the post game ...jokingly ...but still

[Neo.]

You can't touch perimeter players while you are still allowed to physically assault bigs.

untrue

just watch the crap luka puts up with. dude should average 12 fta a game

[TDfan2007]

untrue

just watch the crap luka puts up with. dude should average 12 fta a game

He initiates almost all of the contact himself, and he still flops and whines... he's only truly taken a beating in the clippers series

[Killakobe81]

Mitchell and Joe Ingles one of only a few Jazz players I have liked ...
Mitchell especially ...he takes some dumb shots ...but he cares ...deeply on and off the court.

Gives back to his community.
Speaks well on social issues.
Great kid ...lots of heart he willed the Jazz back he and Gobert

[DAF86]

Denver in 7 was the easiest call of this season, tbh.

[Neo.]

He initiates almost all of the contact himself, and he still flops and whines... he's only truly taken a beating in the clippers series

flopping, whining and initiating contact are 1) things nearly every star player has done for the past 40 years and 2) in no way related to the blatant fouls that opponents get away with on him.

[JamStone]

Luka gets hit in the head and face a lot. I can’t think of another player that consistently gets wacked in the head area as much as him. He embellishes of course like all players. But he legitimately gets hit up there all the time.

[phxspurfan]

Missed this game. Glad the rich and creamy Nougats won. They were / are the better team, and it’s not close. They were missing about 3 key players and got back one, while their two stars woke the fuck up and they won the series like they should.

COViD Jazz should be happy they made it this far, they played better last year and were dysfunctional af this year. They need another scorer to complement Mitchell to be a contender. Also, Gobert continues to be extremely overrated. He was never even a DPOY (the same way Ben Wallace and Camby were never), and is simply another over hyped role player who shrinks in the big lights.

[IronMexican]

Hahaha so nany buying the fugazi Nuggs.
Jokic is a PG at center!
porter Jr is a poor man's KD
Murray (who i sorta like but not at max dollars) is a franchise player!
Nuggs are darkhorse title contenders!

Nope nope nope and nope. Solid playoff team that benefits from hca due to altitude. Nothing more...and in the bubble they not even that.

Sh iiiit, Spurs took them to 7 last year ...

Murray is legit

Was pulling for Utah tho

[IronMexican]

Things don't go Utah's way and they start fighting. They need discipline

[phxspurfan]

Luka gets hit in the head and face a lot. I can’t think of another player that consistently gets wacked in the head area as much as him. He embellishes of course like all players. But he legitimately gets hit up there all the time.

He has a very punchable face and personality, tbh

[IronMexican]

He has a very punchable face and personality, tbh

can't believe how butthurt spurfan still is about 2006.

[gambit1990]

Luka gets hit in the head and face a lot. I can’t think of another player that consistently gets wacked in the head area as much as him. He embellishes of course like all players. But he legitimately gets hit up there all the time.
manu got wacked a lot too.

[Killakobe81]

Murray is legit

Was pulling for Utah tho

Yeah he showed something before game 7...
Hevsucked this game but owned it after

[Spurtacular]

Luka gets hit in the head and face a lot. I can’t think of another player that consistently gets wacked in the head area as much as him. He embellishes of course like all players. But he legitimately gets hit up there all the time.


manu got wacked a lot too.

Racist blacks hate being shown up by white boys, tbh. Nobody got hit "accidentally" more than GOAT Larry Bird.

[JamStone]

While I don’t necessarily like bringing the race angle into it, I don’t think you’re completely off. Although I would amend that thought to specify in say the last 20 years that Black Americans try to test the toughness of white international players with physicality and even dirty play. Guys like Dirk and Manu came at a time where the widely perceived stereotype of Euro players was that they’re soft. They had to prove their toughness and earn their respect.

But did white American players like Kevin Love or Steve Nash face the same level of physicality and borderline dirty play? For that matter black international players like Nene, Tony? Does Giannis get as many dirty wacks at the head as Luka?

Might have something to do with international players as well as a black-white thing. Who knows for sure.

[lefty]

lol generally speasking Euro players, especialy the one from Eastern Europe are tough mofos

Eastern Europeans have seen some real shit, lol they are not impressed by some Murican thug who thinks he is tough because he held a gun a some point suring his younger days

USA and ther perception of the World smh :lol

[horseshue]

Eastern Europe in 2020 is much safer place to live, than in the usa. Except Belarus.

[TDfan2007]

flopping, whining and initiating contact are 1) things nearly every star player has done for the past 40 years and 2) in no way related to the blatant fouls that opponents get away with on him.

I agree with your first point, other than flopping. Flopping superstars are in the minority. My point is that when you're a physical offensive player, who initiates a lot of contact, you become hard to officiate, which can lead to missed calls, especially when you have a reputation for embellishment

[TDfan2007]

While I don’t necessarily like bringing the race angle into it, I don’t think you’re completely off. Although I would amend that thought to specify in say the last 20 years that Black Americans try to test the toughness of white international players with physicality and even dirty play. Guys like Dirk and Manu came at a time where the widely perceived stereotype of Euro players was that they’re soft. They had to prove their toughness and earn their respect.

But did white American players like Kevin Love or Steve Nash face the same level of physicality and borderline dirty play? For that matter black international players like Nene, Tony? Does Giannis get as many dirty wacks at the head as Luka?

Might have something to do with international players as well as a black-white thing. Who knows for sure.

I think it's more of an international thing. Like you said, Hayward never dealt with that kind of stuff. Manu and Dirk definitely did.

I never understood that stereotype, btw. Eastern European players often come from tough backgrounds...

[MultiTroll]

I shut it off after Utah went up 19 in the 3rd.
Utah not only came back but took the lead?

How the f did that happen?
:lol Todays NBA?

[Neo.]

I agree with your first point, other than flopping. Flopping superstars are in the minority.

literally untrue. they virtually all flop, just in different ways. some are very dramatic, others pick and choose their spots. id say non-flopping superstars are by far the minority.


My point is that when you're a physical offensive player, who initiates a lot of contact, you become hard to officiate, which can lead to missed calls, especially when you have a reputation for embellishment

i agree overall, but im not talking about body contact calls. im talking about getting blatantly raked across the arms or hit in the head and face without calls. maybe the only other player ive ever seen consistently get hit like that with so few calls is lebron

[TDfan2007]

literally untrue. they virtually all flop, just in different ways. some are very dramatic, others pick and choose their spots. id say non-flopping superstars are by far the minority.



i agree overall, but im not talking about body contact calls. im talking about getting blatantly raked across the arms or hit in the head and face without calls. maybe the only other player ive ever seen consistently get hit like that with so few calls is lebron

Which 90s or 2000s superstars flopped? Maybe Dirk? Maybe I'm not remembering...

As for the non-calls on Luka and LeBron, if that's what your eyes tell you, then who am I to argue? I will say that LeBron is another guy who initiates a LOT of contact. He basically stiff arms his way to the basket half the time...refs miss calls on him, but they also turn a blind eye to his offensive fouls.

[Kawhitstorm]

Luka gets hit in the head and face a lot. I can’t think of another player that consistently gets wacked in the head area as much as him. He embellishes of course like all players. But he legitimately gets hit up there all the time.

He tends to ride his defenders in a way where they are off balance due to his size & herky-jerky style thus they are taking wild swings. If you look at Harden, he exposes the ball & dares defenders to swipe, Luka puts his body between the ball & the defender while barreling through their chest.

[phxspurfan]

Which 90s or 2000s superstars flopped? Maybe Dirk? Maybe I'm not remembering...

As for the non-calls on Luka and LeBron, if that's what your eyes tell you, then who am I to argue? I will say that LeBron is another guy who initiates a LOT of contact. He basically stiff arms his way to the basket half the time...refs miss calls on him, but they also turn a blind eye to his offensive fouls.

Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, John Stockton, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, CP3, Jordan...

[TDfan2007]

Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, John Stockton, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, CP3, Jordan...

I never watched Reggie or Stockton enough to know, and I'll give you Nash and CP3. Disagree about the rest though

[phxspurfan]

I never watched Reggie or Stockton enough to know, and I'll give you Nash and CP3. Disagree about the rest though

Vlade Divac was also a well known flopper.


Also Sprewell would kick his legs out way far on jump shots to get fouls. Kobe would hook dudes with his legs on jumpers to get fouls

Rodman and Malone basically patented the pull the chair maneuver which can be thought of as a type of cheesy flop type thing.

Then there’s the hand sweep that KD and Duncan would both do all throughout the 2000s to draw fouls

And a ton of post players would be known to hook guys arms up when battling for position to draw fouls. Think Zo Mourning, Horace Grant, Oakley and Anthony Mason, etc

C Webb used to do this move to draw fouls on his midrange jumpers were he would hold the ball super low, then swing it left or right through a guys arm and take a jumper and go to the line.

Lots of PGs in the 90s were also taught to jump into guys on layup attempts to draw fouls in a cheesy way.

[lefty]

Vlade Divac was also a well known flopper.


Also Sprewell would kick his legs out way far on jump shots to get fouls. Kobe would hook dudes with his legs on jumpers to get fouls

Rodman and Malone basically patented the pull the chair maneuver which can be thought of as a type of cheesy flop type thing.

Then there’s the hand sweep that KD and Duncan would both do all throughout the 2000s to draw fouls

And a ton of post players would be known to hook guys arms up when battling for position to draw fouls. Think Zo Mourning, Horace Grant, Oakley and Anthony Mason, etc

C Webb used to do this move to draw fouls on his midrange jumpers were he would hold the ball super low, then swing it left or right through a guys arm and take a jumper and go to the line.

Lots of PGs in the 90s were also taught to jump into guys on layup attempts to draw fouls in a cheesy way.
This.

Mahorn and Jordan also flopped

[Play Boban]

Jazz :lmao