Isaac Okoro - 2020 NBA Draft Prospect

[timvp]

https://i.imgur.com/Xr0NiVe.jpg

Isaac Okoro

College: Auburn
Position: SF/SG
Age: 19
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 225 pounds
Draft Range: 4 to 12

Why: Competitor extraordinaire. He's a bulldog on defense; he can probably defend positions 1 thru 4. Strongly built and plays tough. Has a history of winning -- from high school into college his teams won ~50 straight games. Shows promise on offense: rugged finisher, good feel for the game, perimeter skills improved as his freshman season went along. Exhibited glimpses of playmaking ability. High-character reputation.

Why Not: He's an all eye-test player. His stats underwhelm. Really low scoring rate for a perimeter NBA prospect. Rebounding rate is extremely low. He's a stout defender but he doesn't cause much havoc; rates of steals and blocks were underwhelming. Shooting is a big question mark: 28.6% on threes and 67.2% at the line. Stroke needs to be ironed out. Not much a ball-handler at this point in his development.

Spurs Fit: The Spurs could go either way on him. If they want Okoro to work on his offense, they could send him to Austin and allow that part of his game to potentially blossom. If they just see him as a defensive specialist, he could be a starter early on.

Spurs Comparison - Ceiling: Rich Man's Bruce Bowen

Spurs Comparison - Floor: Keith Bogans

Statistics (http://www.tankathon.com/players/isaac-okoro)
Scouting Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iATlCqxmRi0)
Interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFLpH257yNg)

[egtonecity]

Floor: The Centerpiece

[DAF86]

Keith Bogans :vomit:

[intlspurshk]

He is the player that every teams need to guard other team star

[Chinook]

If Okoro is good enough to be a defensive specialist, he should be with the big club. Work on his offensive game during the off-season have him shoot threes in the meantime. As far as his potential as a 1-4 defender, I think it'll depend on his wingspan. If he basically has Johnson's size, I don't see him defending fours at the NBA level. If it's like 7-0 or more, maybe. Even if he's strictly a small, there's nothing wrong with throwing another defender in that rotation and seeing who comes out of it.

[Dejounte]

If Okoro is good enough to be a defensive specialist, he should be with the big club. Work on his offensive game during the off-season have him shoot threes in the meantime. As far as his potential as a 1-4 defender, I think it'll depend on his wingspan. If he basically has Johnson's size, I don't see him defending fours at the NBA level. If it's like 7-0 or more, maybe. Even if he's strictly a small, there's nothing wrong with throwing another defender in that rotation and seeing who comes out of it.

His wingspan is listed 6'9" and the eye test kind of matches that. Length is not his friend, but I wouldnt go as far as to say he cant guard 4s because of this. Like I said, he's a positional defender and if his core strength is as good as Chuck Hayes who is like a tree trunk that wont get moved out of position, then he should be okay.
timvp His ball handling is actually pretty good compared to others.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/rXptjpXngZw

Guarding 1-4 here. Strong and quick enough to stay in front of his man, Derrick White style.

[mo7888]

He's like Robert Woodard with a high motor and less length and a lower 3pt%..

[Down Under]

Are these heights now heights without shoes or in shoes?

[objective]

Are these heights now heights without shoes or in shoes?

6-6 is his alleged height in shoes, and 6-5 his alleged barefoot height.

I don't believe either. I think he'll measure 6-5 in shoes, maybe under.

[Stump]

I've been waiting for this thread, as I'm an Auburn grad/fan.

I'm no expert in assessing players, but I think Okoro is going to succeed in the NBA. He came to Auburn as a mid 4-star high school player with no expectation of being a one-and-done, but ended up blowing away everyone's expectations. His offense stats are mediocre, but keep in mind he joined a senior-laden team that was coming off a Final Four appearance. His initial role was to be a defensive specialist, but ended up expanding his role as the season progressed.

Everything I've heard about his drive, maturity and character is positive. He'll be intriguing to the Spurs and any other organization that is concerned about building the right culture.

The biggest red flag in his game is outside shooting. He can finish well around the rim, but that won't get him far enough in the NBA. If he shows modest improvement, he's a starter. If he shows significant improvement, I think he's a minor star. He'll get drafted by the first team that is confident enough that they can fix his shot.

[Dejounte]

I've been waiting for this thread, as I'm an Auburn grad/fan.

I'm no expert in assessing players, but I think Okoro is going to succeed in the NBA. He came to Auburn as a mid 4-star high school player with no expectation of being a one-and-done, but ended up blowing away everyone's expectations. His offense stats are mediocre, but keep in mind he joined a senior-laden team that was coming off a Final Four appearance. His initial role was to be a defensive specialist, but ended up expanding his role as the season progressed.

Everything I've heard about his drive, maturity and character is positive. He'll be intriguing to the Spurs and any other organization that is concerned about building the right culture.

The biggest red flag in his game is outside shooting. He can finish well around the rim, but that won't get him far enough in the NBA. If he shows modest improvement, he's a starter. If he shows significant improvement, I think he's a minor star. He'll get drafted by the first team that is confident enough that they can fix his shot.

It's background information such as "joining a senior-laden team that was coming off a Final Four appearance" that is commonly overlooked by most when assessing players. It's how people miss out on the Toppins in 2019 (if he had stayed in the draft) or the Keldon Johnsons who played with two other star recruits thereby lowering his actual production. Context matters. Don't just look at stats on the surface. Pay attention to these little details! Thanks for sharing, Stump.

[rankingtear]

The success rate of wings with his shooting numbers 3pt and FT is not good. Iguodala/Winslow got by with their point forward skills. Jaylen Brown is a mensa level genius with paul george like development curve. Luguentz Dort is a slightly better shooter than him in college and his bricking wide open shots, some of it is not even close.

I think if a team draft's him in the lottery they are banking on his intangibles and touch inside. The other red flag is he's hesistant to shoot. Dejounte/Smart are bad shooters in college but takes them with confidence.

He actually rebounded well in high school , weird that he had low rebound numbers in college even coaches don't know why.

[spurraider21]

i mean if his floor is a centerpiece, im down

[jjktkk]

The Spurs already have a similar player in Keldon Johnson, so I don't see them potentially drafting Okoro.

[mo7888]

I'd prefer a 3/4 instead of a 2/3 (at least defensively) and he needs to be able to make 3's.

[Chinook]

The Spurs already have a similar player in Keldon Johnson, so I don't see them potentially drafting Okoro.

Certainly when I see Johnson, my immediate thought is, "Under no circumstances would I want two of him on my roster."

[Dejounte]

CFPvj_klJcn

The man on the right is Nickeil Alexander Walker and the NBA site lists him at 6'5".

Keep in mind he's wearing flip flops and that Isaac Okoro isn't standing completely straight.

So maybe he is 6'6"?

Either way, not very tall.

objective

[rankingtear]

Has star potential due to strong finishing, versatile defense and secondary playmaking, but still 2-3 years for that shot to be fixed.

[BackHome]

That’s if they can fix his shoot which I don’t know if he can he is one that has been in the top 10 for awhile that I do r think we should gamble on.

[mo7888]

Is his shot MKG broken or Rondae Hollis broken?

[SpursDynasty85]

CFPvj_klJcn

The man on the right is Nickeil Alexander Walker and the NBA site lists him at 6'5".

Keep in mind he's wearing flip flops and that Isaac Okoro isn't standing completely straight.

So maybe he is 6'6"?

Either way, not very tall.

objective

Isnt thay Shai Gulgeous Alexander on the left?

[Dejounte]

Isnt thay Shai Gulgeous Alexander on the left?

Oh shit you're right. My bad, everyone

[Degoat]

That is SGA in the picture above lol

[objective]

CFPvj_klJcn

The man on the right is Nickeil Alexander Walker and the NBA site lists him at 6'5".

Keep in mind he's wearing flip flops and that Isaac Okoro isn't standing completely straight.

So maybe he is 6'6"?

Either way, not very tall.

objective

I'm still skeptical of his height, but it is what it is. I doubt he'd even measure at the quaran-bine, he probably would have skipped the regular combine.

[Dejounte]

Odd... Isaac and Keldon recently followed each other on IG. Wonder how they met?

[look_at_g_shred]

Odd... Isaac and Keldon recently followed each other on IG. Wonder how they met?
Probably worked out together recently?

[Dejounte]

Probably worked out together recently?

Why would they? Same agency? Doubtful... Keldon has a local SA agent. They didn't go to the same college.

[Dejounte]

I'm not a big Okoro fan... But if he's as good as they say, forgetting all the concerns about his length and size... Him being fundamental type defender would be a big plus on the Spurs. I'm thinking of Bruce Bowen, PJ Tucker type defense where they know how to stay in front. Not the ones who just swipe for steals.

[look_at_g_shred]

Why would they? Same agency? Doubtful... Keldon has a local SA agent. They didn't go to the same college.
I have no idea lol

[duncan2150]

I'm not a big Okoro fan... But if he's as good as they say, forgetting all the concerns about his length and size... Him being fundamental type defender would be a big plus on the Spurs. I'm thinking of Bruce Bowen, PJ Tucker type defense where they know how to stay in front. Not the ones who just swipe for steals.

Imo He is the best defensive player of this draft. Still has a lot of work offensively but I like him.
Like you said he would be at least a Bruce bowen type of player.

[Drom John]

The Ringer: 2020 NBA Mock Draft: What if the Wolves Trade the No. 1 Pick?
Kevin O'Connor



06
Isaac Okoro Isaac Okoro
San Antonio Spurs Logo San Antonio Spurs
San Antonio Spurs

Trade: The Spurs send DeMar DeRozan and no. 11 to the Hawks for no. 6.


Okoro has qualities reminiscent of Kawhi Leonard, whom the Spurs also traded for way back in the 2011 draft. Okoro is sure to be a great defender, and he shows flashes of scoring ability. But his jumper needs a lot of work. Maybe the Spurs can repeat history.
ISAAC OKORO
Wing, Auburn, freshman

Off-Ball Defense Off-Ball Defense
Playmaking Playmaking State Farm Logo
Interior Scoring Interior Scoring
On-Ball Defense On-Ball Defense
PTS 12.8 16.3 per 40
AST 2.0 2.6 per 40
3PT% 28.6 70 3PA
FT% 67.4 132 FTA

Age19.3
Wingspan6'9''
Height6'6''
Weight225

Superb defender with a perfect skill set for the modern positionless game, but needs to improve his jumper to have more value on offense.
Shades Of: Gerald Wallace, Justise Winslow
PLUSES

Great finisher who delivers through contact, draws fouls, and displays a pillowy touch with either hand.
Smart decision-maker who moves the ball, can run some pick-and-roll, and doesn’t force bad shots—instead of taking a contested runner, he’ll almost always kick it out to an open shooter.
Displays a good handle with either hand on crossovers, spins, and hesitations. He could have untapped, long-term upside as a shot creator.
Versatile on-ball defender with the strength to battle bigger players, and the ideal blend of fundamentals, quickness, and intelligence to play on the perimeter.
A high-IQ, competitive defender who excels within the team concept by rotating well and disrupting opponents’ actions.

MINUSES

Stiff shooter with clunky mechanics—defenses already sag off him. He brings the ball to his shot pocket too soon, ruining the timing of his release.
Nonfactor off the dribble.
Subpar free throw shooter, which doesn’t provide much optimism for the development of his jumper.
Lacks burst and quickness on drives to the rim, so his flashes of shot-creating ability may never translate to the NBA.

[J_Paco]

The Ringer: 2020 NBA Mock Draft: What if the Wolves Trade the No. 1 Pick?
Kevin O'Connor

He would be a complete waste on San Antonio with Johnson around. Who has a similar physical profile, has shown a lot more on offense (I think Okoro is at best a spot - up shooter and/or a slasher like Andre Roberson) & can likely become our defensive ace.

If we trade up, which I don't want us to unless it is for Wiseman, it better not be for a defensive specialist with a low offensive ceiling.

[ZeusWillJudge]

If the Spurs wanted a defensive ace, they had one on the board last draft. Only he was also a good 3P shooter, had a 7 foot wingspan, and a 41 inch vertical leap. They passed, and the next team to draft took him. We can argue till we're blue about who was the better choice, but it's clear that defensive ace was not the Spurs top priority.

If the Spurs give up value to trade up for Okoro, it better be because they plan on getting a higher than 11 draft pick next year. I don't dislike Okoro, but there has to be a longer planning horizon than this month.

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t give up Demar plus 11 for Okoro I think that’s kinda nuts, but if the spurs find a way to get Okoro that would make for a devastating def 1-3 defensive lineup

[DPG21920]

I wouldn’t give up Demar plus 11 for Okoro I think that’s kinda nuts, but if the spurs find a way to get Okoro that would make for a devastating def 1-3 defensive lineup

Demar is likely opting out. So it would be better than losing him for nothing

[Degoat]

Demar is likely opting out. So it would be better than losing him for nothing

can you trade a player who can opt out this offseason?

[Chinook]

If you get up to 6, there are too many good players to end up with Okoro. That said, I don't get why people keep saying that him being similar to would be disqualifying. Just have two Keldons.

[rankingtear]

can you trade a player who can opt out this offseason?

Can't trade him before he opts in.

[DPG21920]

can you trade a player who can opt out this offseason?

Yes and no. Can’t trade him right now, but once he officially declines his option? It’s what a sign and trade is. Now SA has no control over it, it’s all up to Derozan being willing to agree, but yes.

[Chinook]

Clippers aren't S&Ting for DeRozan. It doesn't make sense for any of the sides to do that. The Clips need to avoid getting hard-capped. DMDR isn't going to want to give up guaranteed money and SA isn't going to want to lose control of DeRozan. Seeing as they want to get rid of Williams and Beverly anyway, the money saved doesn't really help them either, and it's possible the team would prefer the flex option of blowing it up next summer.

As I've said before, I could see a three-team trade were DeRozan goes to LAC, Lou and Beverly go to Philly and Horford, Kabengele and picks go to SA. Provided there's a LMA trade in the pipeline as well, that deal helps all three teams

[TD 21]

Clippers aren't S&Ting for DeRozan. It doesn't make sense for any of the sides to do that. The Clips need to avoid getting hard-capped. DMDR isn't going to want to give up guaranteed money and SA isn't going to want to lose control of DeRozan. Seeing as they want to get rid of Williams and Beverly anyway, the money saved doesn't really help them either, and it's possible the team would prefer the flex option of blowing it up next summer.

As I've said before, I could see a three-team trade were DeRozan goes to LAC, Lou and Beverly go to Philly and Horford, Kabengele and picks go to SA. Provided there's a LMA trade in the pipeline as well, that deal helps all three teams

Not bad at all. 11, 21, possibly Kabengele, plus whatever second pick (Spurs should push for the 76ers top 10-lottery protected '22 1st) would provide a lot of ammunition to move up to 6-7 for Okongwu (would rather Hayes or Haliburton, but unfortunately Murray is probably entrenched).

There'd really be no downside. If for whatever reason Aldridge wasn't traded, sure Horford, Poeltl and him is a little too centerish, but for at most one shortened season it'd be fine. Ideally though, make one of the Aldridge trades that have been discussed ad nauseam (Trail Blazers, Heat, maybe Nets) and there's even more ammunition.

[Chinook]

Not bad at all. 11, 21, possibly Kabengele, plus whatever second pick (Spurs should push for the 76ers top 10-lottery protected '22 1st) would provide a lot of ammunition to move up to 6-7 for Okongwu (would rather Hayes or Haliburton, but unfortunately Murray is probably entrenched).

There'd really be no downside. If for whatever reason Aldridge wasn't traded, sure Horford, Poeltl and him is a little too centerish, but for at most one shortened season it'd be fine. Ideally though, make one of the Aldridge trades that have been discussed ad nauseam (Trail Blazers, Heat, maybe Nets) and there's even more ammunition.

I'm not a fan of trading two firsts and a young player with three years left on his deal to move up four or five spots. For the right guy, blah blah. You know. But in general, I'd rather keep future picks for additional trade or just to have another bite of the apple. You could convince me to use that ammo and take back Wiggins to hop up to two if the Spurs think there's a star there. But in general, I'm happy to get two guys in the middle of the first.

It's also possible that in lieu of a future first, the Sixers give up Thybulle and a second or two and take back Kabengele. That would give them a backup and prevent SA from having a big logjam while also giving them a guy who solidify the perimeter defense or trade as big value to a contender looking for cheap defense. I honestly think Horford, Thybulle and 11 for Wiggins and 2 is titled toward GS. Ending up with 2, 21 and a couple of seconds isn't the worse outcome

[R. DeMurre]

I wouldn’t give up Demar plus 11 for Okoro I think that’s kinda nuts, but if the spurs find a way to get Okoro that would make for a devastating def 1-3 defensive lineup

I haven't watched much Okoro, so I don't have a strong opinion on him, but the idea of moving up in the draft by unloading DeRozan without having to take on salary good or bad does have its appeal. If the draft pick is good, and the Spurs save money & gain salary cap flexibility, it could be a good move. Pairing Trae Young and DeRozan would be a defensive disaster of course, but Atlanta's one team that might actually consider it.

[cd021]

Demar is likely opting out. So it would be better than losing him for nothing
What makes you say that? The uncertainty surrounding the cap going forward makes that seem crazy.

[TD 21]

I'm not a fan of trading two firsts and a young player with three years left on his deal to move up four or five spots. For the right guy, blah blah. You know. But in general, I'd rather keep future picks for additional trade or just to have another bite of the apple. You could convince me to use that ammo and take back Wiggins to hop up to two if the Spurs think there's a star there. But in general, I'm happy to get two guys in the middle of the first.

It's also possible that in lieu of a future first, the Sixers give up Thybulle and a second or two and take back Kabengele. That would give them a backup and prevent SA from having a big logjam while also giving them a guy who solidify the perimeter defense or trade as big value to a contender looking for cheap defense. I honestly think Horford, Thybulle and 11 for Wiggins and 2 is titled toward GS. Ending up with 2, 21 and a couple of seconds isn't the worse outcome

I might not either, but the point is options now and going forward. Obviously, they could just retain it all now (though that's unlikely because they're only going to have so many rookie scale contracts on the roster at once).

Can't imagine the 76ers giving up an elite wing defender with what appeared to be an ahead of schdule 3 (on an inexpensive contract for 3 more seasons) for a backup center when they have an elite one. Granted, Embiid lacks durability, but this would take them out of the tax and the only real need would be his primary backup, so they could sign a credible one.

Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and 2 would be easier to stomach if they have 21, possibly Kabengele and another future 1st in tow. Don't know that the Spurs would be as apt to take Wiggins' albatross if they're already saddled with Horford's though. On the other hand, I could see them being concerned about the lack of an established featured scorer.

[DPG21920]

What makes you say that? The uncertainty surrounding the cap going forward makes that seem crazy.

He’s a premier FA in this class regardless and his value is pretty much known. He wouldn’t be losing much money at all in year 1 (I mean it’s relative but I mean for rich people) and would be securing long term money.

But there’s less uncertainty than you think; his team is already scouting out sign and trades in advance and free agent interest/$ amount.

Nothing final but they have a grasp on the level of interest in both sign and trades to teams he may be good with and his free agency value.

[cd021]

He’s a premier FA in this class regardless and his value is pretty much known. He wouldn’t be losing much money at all in year 1 (I mean it’s relative but I mean for rich people) and would be securing long term money.

But there’s less uncertainty than you think; his team is already scouting out sign and trades in advance and free agent interest/$ amount.

Nothing final but they have a grasp on the level of interest in both sign and trades to teams he may be good with and his free agency value.

The issue is that only a small few teams have the necessary cap to sign DeRozan and they're bad teams. He might opt out if he has an offer on the table (technically off the table), if not then he seems likely to opt in. Hard to say either way.

Opting in might make it easier for him to end up on a team that can't sign and trade for him or wants to offset the cost of having to sign him outright.

[Chinook]

Yeah, DMDR probably doesn't want to opt out. DPG's is overlooking that DeMar can also negotiate and extension as part of a trade. That gives him the flexibility to go to actual good teams, and it probably gives him more money than he'd get on a new contract. It's not a definite thing he'd opt out at all.

[DPG21920]

The issue is that only a small few teams have the necessary cap to sign DeRozan and they're bad teams. He might opt out if he has an offer on the table (technically off the table), if not then he seems likely to opt in. Hard to say either way.

Opting in might make it easier for him to end up on a team that can't sign and trade for him or wants to offset the cost of having to sign him outright.

Sign and trade. Teams without cap space acquire him via trade and they will know before he opts out.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, DMDR probably doesn't want to opt out. DPG's is overlooking that DeMar can also negotiate and extension as part of a trade. That gives him the flexibility to go to actual good teams, and it probably gives him more money than he'd get on a new contract. It's not a definite thing he'd opt out at all.

I’m telling you he’s 90% opting out. Part of the S&T would be an extension. I thought that was assumed.

[Chinook]

I’m telling you he’s 90% opting out. Part of the S&T would be an extension. I thought that was assumed.

You can't extend when you're a free agent. You have to just sign a new deal, which all the rules that come with that. There are contenders that seem to want him and are willing to extend him, so it make sense for all three sides to not do an S&T and instead just do an opt-in extend-and-trade.

[DPG21920]

You can't extend when you're a free agent. You have to just sign a new deal, which all the rules that come with that. There are contenders that seem to want him and are willing to extend him, so it make sense for all three sides to not do an S&T and instead just do an opt-in extend-and-trade.

Ok. Being specific, yes. I’m sort of lumping it all in together for the sake of the overarching point; ddr is gone

[Chinook]

Ok. Being specific, yes. I’m sort of lumping it all in together for the sake of the overarching point; ddr is gone

Oh, I definitely don't think he's GONE. SA not extending him doesn't mean he's walking. But there's still a legit chance he's on a new team next year. I don't know if anyone disagrees with you. But the opting in/out thing is actually really important to how the off-season will go. Even if you weren't talking about that difference, I a lot of folks are.

[DPG21920]

Oh, I definitely don't think he's GONE. SA not extending him doesn't mean he's walking. But there's still a legit chance he's on a new team next year. I don't know if anyone disagrees with you. But the opting in/out thing is actually really important to how the off-season will go. Even if you weren't talking about that difference, I a lot of folks are.

The only real difference is how much $ he can get. I’m saying it’s not speculation; from someone I trust on this board I’ve heard it’s very likely.

The only reason opting in/out needs to be factored in is due to the threat of DDR leaving for nothing which is what WILL happen if they don’t find a S&T or Extend&Trade

So I’m saying he’s gone but I do think a trade is likely here. He wants to play for a good team.

[K...]

Hasn't it been pretty much confirmed the spurs have Sign and trade offers lined up already, but are waiting on Derozan to milk out the clock, waiting for better offers, waiting for the draft.

Neither side has a hurry to the trade, but there have to be deals in principle already

[DPG21920]

Hasn't it been pretty much confirmed the spurs have Sign and trade offers lined up already, but are waiting on Derozan to milk out the clock, waiting for better offers, waiting for the draft.

Neither side has a hurry to the trade, but there have to be deals in principle already

Not that I’ve seen. They’re working on it but nothing agreed to at all. Still plenty of work to be done. Lma shopped too

[cd021]

Sign and trade. Teams without cap space acquire him via trade and they will know before he opts out.

Sure but depending on the team, that also means they'd be hard capped. Him opting in and working out a trade with the Spurs, means that a team could trade for him, off-set salary and avoid being hard capped.

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he opts out. Maybe a team like the Knicks has already backchanneled a deal with his agent, maybe they haven't.

[DPG21920]

Sure but depending on the team, that also means they'd be hard capped. Him opting in and working out a trade with the Spurs, means that a team could trade for him, off-set salary and avoid being hard capped.

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he opts out. Maybe a team like the Knicks has already backchanneled a deal with his agent, maybe they haven't.

We will see. No matter what, the point remains from what a reputable poster told me he’s gone.

[cd021]

We will see. No matter what, the point remains from what a reputable poster told me he’s gone.

I mean there had been a steady drip of reports this year about him possibly leaving, so it's certainly possible. For the record I kinda hope he does. Though I'd rather the Spurs get future assets than losing him outright.

[DPG21920]

I mean there had been a steady drip of reports this year about him possibly leaving, so it's certainly possible. For the record I kinda hope he does. Though I'd rather the Spurs get future assets than losing him outright.

There’s a difference in seeing some reports and hearing definitively that he’s gone one way or the other. As in extremely slim chance he opts in and remains a Spur.

Of course things can change but as of now I believe what said poster has told me.

Furthermore I do think within those confines that a trade is likely

[Chinook]

The only real difference is how much $ he can get.

The only reason opting in/out needs to be factored in is due to the threat of DDR leaving for nothing which is what WILL happen if they don’t find a S&T or Extend&Trade

No. It's not even close to being the only difference. The entire way his contract works and the contingencies that come from it change.


I’m saying it’s not speculation; from someone I trust on this board I’ve heard it’s very likely.

Nothing I can do with that. I will say it's weird that he's apparently so keen to leave but SA has been forcing him to stay. Like if he was GONE to the point that random Spurs poster (as in not people who are part of DMDR's circle but folks who'd presumably get info from FO guys) would know about it, it seems like SA would've traded him. Like why not? As far as we've heard, SA's shown no desire to even shop DeRozan. That's weird, because they've shown they're willing to accommodate players. If the concern was seriously losing him for nothing, last year was just as urgent as this year, unless he wasn't going to opt out.

[DPG21920]

Okay *shrug*

[Dejounte]

Okay *shrug*

So if DeRozan goes nowhere, are you going to call out your source?

Does your source know which draft prospects we are looking at?

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs FO has a history of being retarded, so it wouldn't surprise me if he walks for nothing

[DPG21920]

So if DeRozan goes nowhere, are you going to call out your source?

Does your source know which draft prospects we are looking at?

If DDR is gone are you going to sing our praises and send us money? Lol


Sometimes things don’t happen it doesn’t mean the information was bad. No I won’t be “outing” anyone but of course if he stays then when I say something everyone remembers that it was wrong.

But I don’t have any sources. Some posters here do and they share with me sometimes and it frames how I think/post. That’s all.

[Chinook]

If DDR is gone are you going to sing our praises and send us money? Lol


Sometimes things don’t happen it doesn’t mean the information was bad. No I won’t be “outing” anyone but of course if he stays then when I say something everyone remembers that it was wrong.

But I don’t have any sources. Some posters here do and they share with me sometimes and it frames how I think/post. That’s all.

There was this guy on the Ravens forum that said back in like April that the Ravens were looking to cut Earl Thomas. The fans there waited a decent length of time but eventually turned on the guy and drove him away from the forum. This wasn't he wasn't even like a newbie or lurker. He was a regular poster who didn't want to have to deal with getting grief for his thread. Turns out the Ravens did end up releasing Earl a few months later, and afterwards a lot of stuff came out about him pissing the team off for more than a year. The folks there bumped the thread and apologized on there, but I don't know if that poster ever came back.

So yeah. Things happen or they don't. So long as the person isn't lying their ass off like TSpence did about the Gasol thing, it's fine. Mo broke the thing about Tim being a coach, and that was after people were on him about saying LMA was on the block (because nothing happened).

[Dejounte]

If DDR is gone are you going to sing our praises and send us money? Lol


Sometimes things don’t happen it doesn’t mean the information was bad. No I won’t be “outing” anyone but of course if he stays then when I say something everyone remembers that it was wrong.

But I don’t have any sources. Some posters here do and they share with me sometimes and it frames how I think/post. That’s all.

I wasn't patronizing you. I was just wondering what your course of action would be if the source ended up wrong.

Ask them to share with you who the Spurs are going to draft, dummy!

[DPG21920]

There was this guy on the Ravens forum that said back in like April that the Ravens were looking to cut Earl Thomas. The fans there waited a decent length of time but eventually turned on the guy and drove him away from the forum. This wasn't he wasn't even like a newbie or lurker. He was a regular poster who didn't want to have to deal with getting grief for his thread. Turns out the Ravens did end up releasing Earl a few months later, and afterwards a lot of stuff came out about him pissing the team off for more than a year. The folks there bumped the thread and apologized on there, but I don't know if that poster ever came back.

So yeah. Things happen or they don't. So long as the person isn't lying their ass off like TSpence did about the Gasol thing, it's fine. Mo broke the thing about Tim being a coach, and that was after people were on him about saying LMA was on the block (because nothing happened).

Yup and lma was 100% shopped and is again

[DPG21920]

I wasn't patronizing you. I was just wondering what your course of action would be if the source ended up wrong.

Ask them to share with you who the Spurs are going to draft, dummy!

Only thing I’ve heard is there is a real interest in Wiseman apparently but nothing much on the draft front

[DPG21920]

There was this guy on the Ravens forum that said back in like April that the Ravens were looking to cut Earl Thomas. The fans there waited a decent length of time but eventually turned on the guy and drove him away from the forum. This wasn't he wasn't even like a newbie or lurker. He was a regular poster who didn't want to have to deal with getting grief for his thread. Turns out the Ravens did end up releasing Earl a few months later, and afterwards a lot of stuff came out about him pissing the team off for more than a year. The folks there bumped the thread and apologized on there, but I don't know if that poster ever came back.

So yeah. Things happen or they don't. So long as the person isn't lying their ass off like TSpence did about the Gasol thing, it's fine. Mo broke the thing about Tim being a coach, and that was after people were on him about saying LMA was on the block (because nothing happened).

Well one thing is certain; that we are seeing more and more smoke leak out on mainstream regarding SA. So it’s definitely not bs what the poster told me. It’s out there.

Doesn’t guarantee anything but it was not just made up.

Case in point:


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1055508609474482176/CXMbdyYX_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) Keith Smith (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) @KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)




Teams that seem to be the most active in trade talks right now: Atlanta Boston Charlotte Chicago Golden State Minnesota New Orleans San Antonio Multiple teams have told me versions of "Spurs are up to something. It's rare for them, but they are talking to lots of people."
10:27am · 11 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326562223133765633) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/bouncepassos/status/1326586641025208325?s=19

[Collins21]

I agree but what I will say is that if the poster as left the trade talk at just the veterans they're being disingenuous. The Spurs young players are coveted by other teams around the league don't be surprised if they don't stop at moving DDR but also one of the young guys for an additional pick.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLnBAbChARc