Saints marching from S.A.

[blaze89]

Saints marching from S.A.

Tom Orsborn
San Antonio Express-News

11/08/2005

The chances that the New Orleans Saints will play their 2006 home schedule in the Alamodome — something many considered a foregone conclusion just two weeks ago — appear to be fading fast.

A Louisiana Superdome official said Monday that an agreement reached last week between Saints owner Tom Benson and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco effectively binds the team to play in Louisiana next season and delays for at least a year the issue of relocation of the team, now temporarily based in San Antonio.

In a move encouraged by the National Football League, Benson and Blanco agreed Friday to postpone to 2007 two termination deadlines in the Saints' lease for the Superdome.

The extensions, Superdome Commission attorney Larry Roedel said, allow all sides to begin planning for the 2006 season without the threat of legal entanglements.

"The spirit of the consensus reached among the NFL, the Saints and the state last Friday was that the 2006 season will be played in Louisiana," Roedel said.

Roedel said the tentative plan for 2006 calls for Saints' home games to be played in Baton Rouge, La., and holds out hope that the Superdome, damaged by Hurricane Katrina, would be ready for use late next season.

Neither Benson nor any Saints officials could be reached for comment Monday.

Still, a representative of Mayor Phil Hardberger said Hardberger and Benson plan to meet after this season to talk about the Saints playing a full home schedule at the Alamodome next season and possible permanent relocation by the team to San Antonio.

"I can't dispute (Roedel's comments)," said Christian Archer, the mayor's special assistant. "But I can tell you nothing from our end has changed."

But Roedel is confident NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue and other league officials will push for the Saints to play in Louisiana next season.

"The NFL sets the schedules and venues for the games, and we have their assurance that the 2006 schedule will be played here," Roedel said.

"Based on how they (league officials) have worked with us this season, we trust their credibility."

The Saints relocated to San Antonio after Katrina amid reports that Benson wanted the team to play all of its home games this season at the Alamodome. Benson, long at odds with Louisiana officials over his lease arrangements, already had passed word to city officials last spring that he was interested in relocating his franchise, possibly to San Antonio.

But Tagliabue quickly intervened in the situation and hammered out an agreement that moved three of the Saints' home games to the Alamodome and four to Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge.

Tagliabue also encouraged Benson in a meeting Oct. 16 in Baton Rouge to extend the termination deadlines in the team's Superdome lease for the state-owned facility.

One of those provisions, known as force majeure, had a late November deadline for the Saints to void the deal and avoid an $81 million exit penalty by declaring that the Superdome is not usable because of Katrina.

That deadline was pushed back to Jan. 15, 2007, a move designed to buy time for the Saints and the state.

Roedel said both sides are in agreement that the prospects for economic recovery in New Orleans can't be determined at present and that Benson should be able to assess that factor when considering his team's future.

Roedel said the state is prepared to take the Saints to arbitration should Benson decide to give force majeure notice. The state, Roedel said, would contend that it trumped force majeure by giving the Saints another venue — Tiger Stadium — while the Superdome is being repaired.

Before last week's postponement of the termination deadlines, momentum appeared to be building for a plan that would have the Saints play their 2006 home schedule in the Alamodome.

It was expected that the Superdome would need a year or more to repair and that Tiger Stadium, because of conflicts with LSU games, would not be an attractive option.

Tagliabue, however, began to chip away at the Alamodome option when he addressed the media at the Saints' Baton Rouge opener Oct. 16.

Tagliabue, who declined to attend the Saints' first two games in the Alamodome, forcefully stated the league's intention to keep the team in Louisiana.

Benson's request for a force majeure extension came one week after Hardberger said that the city would not be the source of funding for a new stadium for the Saints.


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Link to story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/football/nfl/stories/MYSA110805.1A.saints.move.16f311f9.html)

[Oh, Gee!!]

I say good riddance to bad football

[my2sons]

well the saints were a projected playoff team this year...it ain't bad football, just bad luck, bad location, bad officiating, bad circumstances...

[Extra Stout]

well the saints were a projected playoff team this year...it ain't bad football, just bad luck, bad location, bad officiating, bad circumstances...The Texans were a projected playoff team this year too. Projections don't mean much in the NFL.

Shit is shit.

[samikeyp]

Enjoy your 30,000 a game, Tom.

[Vashner]

It could be a tactic to do poorly in sales next year so he can excuse a final move from LA... or it just could be rumor mill shit..

I'll belive it when I see it. Tom has burned his bridge in LA state now he better be carefull not to burn his Spur Fan bridge...

[Oh, Gee!!]

well the saints were a projected playoff team this year...it ain't bad football, just bad luck, bad location, bad officiating, bad circumstances...

bad QB, bad owner

[rr2418]

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, I don't have to see anymore SAints t-shirts or San Antonio Saints signs anymore!!! :lol :lol :lol

[hussker]

No more Stains? AW MAN!!!

[Extra Stout]

the saints will be in sa next year..NFL be damned.
Flash Quixote...

[Loose Cannon]

And San Antonio fades back into obscurity.

All is right in the world again.

[Vashner]

And San Antonio fades back into obscurity.

All is right in the world again.

Get off the bandwagon then... geeze people how many posts / articles / rumors and rants have we heard so far? LOTS and LOTS..

This is a rumor... that's all.

[Marcus Bryant]

And San Antonio fades back into obscurity.

All is right in the world again.


Better a fade than a wash...

[TheWriter]

Did any of you guys read the thing?


"The spirit of the consensus reached among the NFL, the Saints and the state last Friday was that the 2006 season will be played in Louisiana," Roedel said.

The spirit of the consensus??

Translation: "The NFL said they want to play in Louisiana so we take their word."

:lol

[TheWriter]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2216933


NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue met with New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson Monday in Washington to discuss the team's plans for the 2006 season, ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting.

Benson prefers that the Saints play next season in San Antonio. Tagliabue and other league officials want more information before making a final decision with LSU's Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, La., as the preferred site.

[samikeyp]

And San Antonio fades back into obscurity.

All is right in the world again.

we were never in obscurity.

[Trainwreck2100]

Better a fade than a wash...
:lol

seriosly, that's fucked up, but

:lol

[goliath]

Better a fade than a wash...


:lol

[McKenzie]

bad QB, bad owner


Bullshit on both references.

When Mr. Benson tells us what he's doing, that's when I'll say, "Oh hey! The Saints will be in ________ for 2006." Not before.

[McKenzie]

High Five, Flash.

Jesus. I thought Loose Cannon was back at home on SaintsReport.com. Enough of your :blah

[Obstructed_View]

we were never in obscurity.
I agree. San Antonio is a great city for anyone that's spent any time there. Who really cares what anybody else thinks? And how would having the worst NFL team of all time owned by one of the worst owners of all time make San Antonio any better? Puhleeze.

[Loose Cannon]

I agree. San Antonio is a great city for anyone that's spent any time there. Who really cares what anybody else thinks? And how would having the worst NFL team of all time owned by one of the worst owners of all time make San Antonio any better? Puhleeze.

It would be one step towards not being skimmed over when people mention the great cities of Texas.




Re: the "wash" joke. I don't live in New Orleans. As tasteless as your joke was, doesn't effect me. Try again.

[samikeyp]

When people mention the great cities of Texas...San Antonio is always mentioned.

Hopefully you will get to keep your team, but I still say they are going to L.A.

[PeterBurns]

And San Antonio fades back into obscurity.

All is right in the world again.



Wow after getting bitch slapped here for a while, it's nice that you show your face again Loose.....

[Loose Cannon]

If you tell yourself you "bitchslapped" me enough times maybe it will become true. Doubt it though.

Can't hurt to try


"I think I can I, I think I can, I think I can"

[TheWriter]

Hey, are you going to go back to SaintsReport.com and cry about being banned from SpursTalk.com too?

You're just a little bitch.

[TheWriter]

It would be one step towards not being skimmed over when people mention the great cities of Texas.

Well, depends on what people use to describe a "great city."

Although San Antonio probably does take a backseat to the big two of Texas.

I think anyone who isn't either a college student, drunk, or current resident has no damn clue or cares about that shitty overrated college city 70 miles north of here.

:lol :lol

[TexasAggie2005]

Hey, are you going to go back to SaintsReport.com and cry about being banned from SpursTalk.com too?

You're just a little bitch.

Wait, Kori bans people? Since when?

[TheWriter]

Wait, Kori bans people? Since when?

She doesn't.

It's a long story involving SpursReport.com

Anyway, he went to SaintsReport.com and created a topic about how he got banned and completely bashed the site.

In all actuality, he didn't get banned.

[goliath]

Hey LC

Over on Saintsreport you go on and on to posters from SA about how we're not wanted, why are we posting, ect, ect, ect

Why dont you take your own advice and beat it?

[Shiner Bock Girl]

She doesn't.

It's a long story involving SpursReport.com

Anyway, he went to SaintsReport.com and created a topic about how he got banned and completely bashed the site.

In all actuality, he didn't get banned.

I can vouch for that....But then again the ppl at Saintsreport didn't know any better, they were just believing an idiot.

[Vashner]

Man forget the NFL.. let's start our own League.

Desperate Ballplayers...

It's like strippers... barbque grill's on the sidelines and beer tubes to every seat in the dome. heck let's just make every seat in the Alamodome toilet's.

And Eva can bring the other stars and they can do like Terrel Owens and that chick for free adverts.

[j-6]

She doesn't.

It's a long story involving SpursReport.com

Anyway, he went to SaintsReport.com and created a topic about how he got banned and completely bashed the site.

In all actuality, he didn't get banned

So all this Loose Cannon shit is a spillover to this site from Spursreport maybe/maybe not banning him? Whoopdee-fucking-doo. I thought half of the old school regulars on Spurstalk were banned from there.

All this nonsense over two other non-affiliated message boards. Damn folks, at least keep all your hate compartmentalized. It might be confusing to the rest of us.

[j-6]

Man forget the NFL.. let's start our own League.

Desperate Ballplayers...

It's like strippers... barbque grill's on the sidelines and beer tubes to every seat in the dome. heck let's just make every seat in the Alamodome toilet's.

And Eva can bring the other stars and they can do like Terrel Owens and that chick for free adverts.

:lol

Like this?

http://www.blitzleague.com/

[T Park]

And how would having the worst NFL team of all time owned by one of the worst owners of all time make San Antonio any better?

The Arizona Cardinals are moving to SA?!?!?

[samikeyp]

Kori has banned people but it takes a whole lot. Way more than Loose Cannon has done.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Bullshit on both references.

When Mr. Benson tells us what he's doing, that's when I'll say, "Oh hey! The Saints will be in ________ for 2006." Not before.


Benson is playing us for fools. I bet he never planned to bring the saints here, he needs us till 2007 when he can move them to L.A. That's where the big payday is for Benson.

[Loose Cannon]

Well, depends on what people use to describe a "great city."

Although San Antonio probably does take a backseat to the big two of Texas.

I think anyone who isn't either a college student, drunk, or current resident has no damn clue or cares about that shitty overrated college city 70 miles north of here.

:lol :lol

Hahahahahaha. That's a joke. Because I still have some love for San Antonio as a city I'm not going go off on how stupid that comment is. But you know.



In all actuality, he didn't get banned.


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[McKenzie]

Benson is playing us for fools. I bet he never planned to bring the saints here, he needs us till 2007 when he can move them to L.A. That's where the big payday is for Benson.


I've never heard Benson express any interest in L.A. At least none that I recall.

[Sports Writer JJ]

Its not bensons interest in LA its the NFL's interest in LA.

[McKenzie]

I'm aware that Tag wants an L.A. team. But, Benson doesn't.

[Loose Cannon]

You guys are funny. Trying so hard to talk yourselves into believing that S.A. is going to get a team. Meanwhile, in reality, because of the classlessness and sheer stupidity of your mayor and city government, your NFL dreams are circling the drain. Somebody writing a Psych thesis could use this as a study in extreme denial. It's very entertaining.

[Sports Writer JJ]

But the League is not going to let him move to San Antonio now, Benson is burning bridges and pissing people off everywhere. Tags will likely tell Him LA or L.A. in my opinion. The other owners would not vote for the move to San Antonio now because of the PR nightmare Benson has created. Benson and Hardberger did not handle this very well at all. All parties should have stayed quiet until the season was finished. Tags has publicly stated several time the NFL is dedicated to New Orleans, Benson wants out. Right now publically it appears that its Tom Benson Versus Tags on where the team goes. Even if New Orleans is not a viable option (and I think it is and thats where The Saints wind up) I really think Tags feels that the Saints Moving would be Benson publically winning. So I think Benson would settle for the L.A. move because it is what the NFL wants, and He wants out of LA.

BUT as it is right now, I dont think Tags will let him take the team to San Antonio.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I've never heard Benson express any interest in L.A. At least none that I recall.


who else is gonna give TB 1 billion dollars for that crappy team?

[Sports Writer JJ]

I dont think that he will get 1 Bill, I am thinking around 750 mill, we will see though. i have heard a lot of speculation of different interested parties putting a group together. Have you guys heard the rumors that Terry Bradshaw (Native Louisianaian) is getting a group together in an attempt to buy the team and Keep it in Louisiana?

[McKenzie]

Hahahahahaha. That's a joke. Because I still have some love for San Antonio as a city I'm not going go off on how stupid that comment is. But you know.





http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/9391/srbanned7hd.jpg


The city referred to in that quote is Austin.

[samikeyp]

Hahahahahaha. That's a joke. Because I still have some love for San Antonio as a city I'm not going go off on how stupid that comment is. But you know.

If that is true...then why this...


It would be one step towards not being skimmed over when people mention the great cities of Texas.

[McKenzie]

You guys are funny. Trying so hard to talk yourselves into believing that S.A. is going to get a team. Meanwhile, in reality, because of the classlessness and sheer stupidity of your mayor and city government, your NFL dreams are circling the drain. Somebody writing a Psych thesis could use this as a study in extreme denial. It's very entertaining.


We are debating the issue of Benson moving to L.A., not S.A.

Geez......

[Oh, Gee!!]

Nobody wants your peace of shit Taints, Loose Cannon.

[McKenzie]

LC, you quoted a post referring to Austin and didn't get it. I know there was a post about SA but you must have quoted the wrong one. :spin

[Loose Cannon]

If that is true...then why this...

Well, it's sorta the way you love an ugly pound mutt. You'd much rather have a Golden Retriever, but you can't hate the mutt.

[decendant of alamo battle]

http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/051107/kelley.gif http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/051019/branch.gif http://saintsreport.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1794412

[samikeyp]

Well, it's sorta the way you love an ugly pound mutt. You'd much rather have a Golden Retriever, but you can't hate the mutt.

So then you were being facetious and you were lying. Ok, fair enough.

[Loose Cannon]

Facetious about what? I wasn't doing either.

[samikeyp]

You were insulting San Antonio then said you liked San Antonio. If you were "showing any love" you would not have said what you did.

[hicksi]

Benson is playing us for fools. I bet he never planned to bring the saints here, he needs us till 2007 when he can move them to L.A. That's where the big payday is for Benson.
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[samikeyp]

Benson is playing us for fools. I bet he never planned to bring the saints here, he needs us till 2007 when he can move them to L.A. That's where the big payday is for Benson.

Something I have said before. All the dude cares about is money and he won't get it here.

[Loose Cannon]

You were insulting San Antonio then said you liked San Antonio. If you were "showing any love" you would not have said what you did.

I don't care for the mayor. Or the government. Or anyone in support of looting the Saints.

Still a Spurs fan and still a Texan.

[samikeyp]

I don't care for the mayor. Or the government. Or anyone in support of looting the Saints.

and those are fair points. Insulting the city itself though isn't neccessary. Hardberger deserves your venom.

[Marcus Bryant]

If SA gets a team, cool. If not, cool. I mean, it's not like the city was washed away and all we have left is a shitty NFL team to obsess about.

[Sports Writer JJ]

If SA gets a team, cool. If not, cool. I mean, it's not like the city was washed away and all we have left is a shitty NFL team to obsess about.


This statement would really upset someone who lost a lot in the Flood following Katrina.

These are the types of insensative statements San Antonio posters were making at SR.com.

thats why people started getting banned.

People on SR.com's family members died, and some of you joke about it over there, and then wonder why you guys get banned...

Show a little respect a little sensativity.

[Marcus Bryant]

This isn't "SR.com" and I'll post what I want.

But you're right, a major disaster just occurred and you're worried about losing a freaking football team. Priorities, priorities...

[Sports Writer JJ]

This isn't "SR.com" and I'll post what I want.

But you're right, a major disaster just occurred and you're worried about losing a freaking football team. Priorities, priorities...

No its not, and you are welcome to post what you want. It was an example of some of the reasons people started getting banned though, your right to say it does not make it any less insensitive.

We are worried about a football team.

A football team that is a vital part of our state economy, a football team that will bring much needed revenue to a destroyed area, a football team that provides jobs with high paid state tax payers, a football team that will bring in tourists to New Orleans from visiting teams fan base.

You are damn right priorities.

The State of Louisiana and the Gulf region NEEDS the team to stay to help with rebuilding.


You can try to justify the mayors efforts to move the team to San Antonio, and I dont blame you for wanting a team here, but Not this Team, not right now, Priorities indeed, this team should stay in New Orleans.

[Marcus Bryant]

So it's not accurate to state that NO was "washed away"?

In the end, it's a football team and nothing more. If your local economy is based on a football team, well, that's pretty piss poor.

[Sports Writer JJ]

So it's not accurate to state that NO was "washed away"?

In the end, it's a football team and nothing more. If your local economy is based on a football team, well, that's pretty piss poor.

much of the city and its infrastructure was destroyed, many businesses left and currently the local encomy is in shambles as a result. The Football team would most certainly help the economy there, I am sorry if you feel its piss poor.

The city of New Orleans and the gulf south region needs a little help right now, i am honestly shocked at your callousness, but its your right.

By the way I am not from New Orleans nor was I affected by the hurricane personally, if i was, I am sure I would have had less patience with your rudeness than I have.

But again, its your right to have such an opinion. Thanks for helping me prove a point.

[Sports Writer JJ]

In the end, it's a football team and nothing more.


actually no, it is an economic tool that can be used to help rebuild a region devistated by the worst natural disaster to ever hit the United States.

besides Marcus, if the NFL New Orleans Saints are "just a football team"

What gives with your mayor's hard on to move them here?

[Marcus Bryant]

much of the city and its infrastructure was destroyed, many businesses left and currently the local encomy is in shambles as a result. The Football team would most certainly help the economy there, I am sorry if you feel its piss poor.

The city of New Orleans and the gulf south region needs a little help right now, i am honestly shocked at your callousness, but its your right.

By the way I am not from New Orleans nor was I affected by the hurricane personally, if i was, I am sure I would have had less patience with your rudeness than I have.

Oddly enough, I do know some people who endured Katrina and I can tell you one thing, they don't give a damn about what happens with the Saints.

[Marcus Bryant]

actually no, it is an economic tool that can be used to help rebuild a region devistated by the worst natural disaster to ever hit the United States.

besides Marcus, if the NFL New Orleans Saints are "just a football team"

What gives with your mayor's hard on to move them here?


Actually that's a piss poor argument. It's entertainment and nothing more. There are a number of ways to revitalize NO and far down on the list, if at all, is retaining the Saints.

[McKenzie]

This statement would really upset someone who lost a lot in the Flood following Katrina.

These are the types of insensative statements San Antonio posters were making at SR.com.

thats why people started getting banned.

People on SR.com's family members died, and some of you joke about it over there, and then wonder why you guys get banned...

Show a little respect a little sensativity.


Sorry to burst your bubble about SR, but the bannings started more than 2 months ago. SR.com folks were the ones carrying on and pissing people off. If one happened to be from SA, they got jumped badly.

[Sports Writer JJ]

Oddly enough, I do know some people who endured Katrina and I can tell you one thing, they don't give a damn about what happens with the Saints.

Not everyone affected by the storm will care what happens to the team, but that does not change the economic impact the team does and can have on a region.

Actually during contract negoiations with the state and an economic impact study was comissioned.

I would be glad to hunt down the results for you and post a link here if you like to read it, but long story short,

The New Orleans Saints have a very large impact on the gulf south region economically. This posative impact is STONGLY needed during a difficult time of trying to rebuild New Orleans.

For that reason alone, not to mention the emotional reasons, the Team Needs to Stay in New Orleans, to Help rebuild the area after the disaster.

It does not matter who wants them here or who does not, its a simple mathmatical fact that the Team staying in New Orleans will be a fiscal assistance to the rebuilding of the region.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I hope the Saints leave to L.A. and the Hornets stay in OKC b/c the local Lousyanna government sucks

[Sports Writer JJ]

Sorry to burst your bubble about SR, but the bannings started more than 2 months ago. SR.com folks were the ones carrying on and pissing people off. If one happened to be from SA, they got jumped badly.


I was refering to the only situation I am aware of, the banning of the fellow with the saints2006 website. I believe he feels he was recently banned unfairly from SR.com.

But I can honestly tell you the Mods here give you guys a lot more latitude than the Mods at SR.com. The Terms of Service are different, it is a different site. I do not know of the specifics of the bannings, but I am sure that they would be used to an etirely different set of rules here and come to SR.com and not read the TOS there and get banned rather quickly and not understand why.

Of course we would be defensive of anyone advicating moving the saints from New Orleans, and I am sorry if we felt it would be ethically wrong of your city to LOBBY to move the Saints from New Orleans, thats what I saw people getting upset about, It happened to a lot of people that did not live in SA and not everyone thats from SA expressed that point of view.

[Sports Writer JJ]

Actually that's a piss poor argument. It's entertainment and nothing more. There are a number of ways to revitalize NO and far down on the list, if at all, is retaining the Saints.


Why shouldn't we try to utilyze everything on the list? the saints have a big impact. Its a fact. Every little bit helps. Entertainment brings money. Money helps us rebuild.

[Sports Writer JJ]

I hope the Saints leave to L.A. and the Hornets stay in OKC b/c the local Lousyanna government sucks

The Lousyanna government is indeed horrible, but why wish for the Louisiana people to suffer?

[Oh, Gee!!]

The Lousyanna government is indeed horrible, but why wish for the Louisiana people to suffer?


because they dissin' my homies on SR.com

[Sports Writer JJ]

What was said on SR.com that you saw that qualifies as dissin' your homies?

[Loose Cannon]

because they dissin' my homies on SR.com

Oh Neaux. One of your message board "homeboys" is getting dissed. Better lose all semblance of class and wish ill will on a state that just endured the worst natural disaster in United States history. That seems fair. :rolleyes


As for the whole "priorities" argument:

The Saints are a huge part of both the New Orleans and Louisiana economy. It creates jobs and brings hundreds of millions of dollars into the economy yearly.

Make no mistake about it. The Superdome is going to be repaired either way. It has a full yearly schedule of trade shows, conventions, and other sporting events (Sugar Bowl, Final Four, etc). Even if the Saints WERE to leave, the Dome will be repaired on rebuilt. The revenue generated by the Superdome is huge and a vital part of the New Orleans economy. It is a complete fallacy to say that "nobody should be worried about rebuilding the dome or keeping the Saints". The Superdome and the Saints are two huge businesses and revenue generators. Louisiana is doing everything it can to keep big business, and the Saints are no different.




Samikeyd: I agree with what you said and I've gotten carried away with a few of my posts. But then I see people like "Oh Gee!" saying ridiculously overboard and classless garbage, and it's hard not to lump all of San Antonio's citizens together. I have met enough idiots who feel the same way - "get the Saints at all costs, Fuck Louisiana" - to taint my opinion if San Antonio's residents. Temporary? Maybe. But my opinion of the general population has changed, right, wrong, or indifferent.

The fact that the most visible San Antonio resident on the planet is spearheading the "screw morals, let's get 'em" campaign does not help the image.

[hicksi]

Sorry to burst your bubble about SR, but the bannings started more than 2 months ago. SR.com folks were the ones carrying on and pissing people off. If one happened to be from SA, they got jumped badly.
Banning should be banned.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Banning should be banned.


this guy gets it

[Sports Writer JJ]

Well Is the banning of some of your fellow posters the sole reason you guys are trashing SR.com?

[PeterBurns]

This statement would really upset someone who lost a lot in the Flood following Katrina.

These are the types of insensative statements San Antonio posters were making at SR.com.

thats why people started getting banned.

People on SR.com's family members died, and some of you joke about it over there, and then wonder why you guys get banned...

Show a little respect a little sensativity.

Actually, I'm the one that got banned from SaintsReport.
Never once did I post anything negative about the people or their plight.
I'm from Baton Rouge, and my parents still live there.

So Don't lump me into that group. I just didn't go along with the popular flow of SR.com

In fact, from day on on SaintsReport, I made it clear that I am behind hosting the Saints here for 2006. Nothing anything further. But evidently that gets you banned from the site.

It's a shame, because good exchanges like we do here. I don't mind people posting their ideas/thoughts. That's what boards are for. Welcome, and just tread carefully and be respectful. We already made a posterboy out of Loose Cannon. Don't want to see that happen to you.

[Loose Cannon]

Utsa, you are the one of the most delusional people I've "met". You didn't make a posterboy out of anything. You got trashed on your own "I got banned for SR" thread by other people on this board.

I wish I was from where you're from. "If I say it, it makes it true. I owned LC. LMFAOLOLOL1@#!@# oMG IT WORKED!@#!@".

I'll give it a shot.

"Four strippers are going to show up at my office and pleasure me for until 5. I'll then go to my car where there are three more in my car waiting with Maker's on ice and a Cuban".

I'll keep everyone posted as to how it works out.

[samikeyp]

Samikeyd: I agree with what you said and I've gotten carried away with a few of my posts. But then I see people like "Oh Gee!" saying ridiculously overboard and classless garbage, and it's hard not to lump all of San Antonio's citizens together. I have met enough idiots who feel the same way - "get the Saints at all costs, Fuck Louisiana" - to taint my opinion if San Antonio's residents. Temporary? Maybe. But my opinion of the general population has changed, right, wrong, or indifferent.

Actually its very easy. You have to possess the mental ability and intelligence to separate the majority of the people from the assholes. I don't agree with anyone who has said things like that about N.O. or Louisiana but I do have the ability to distinguish between those idiots who do from the good people of San Antonio, just like I have the ability to separate the Saints fans who just want their team back, from the assholes who have dropped the hate on my city. If someone lacks the necessary mental acumen to tell who the assholes are and that they don't speak for everyone, then IMO, they really shouldn't comment until they have learned that.

[Loose Cannon]

And that's why I said that I still have love for San Antonio. Guh.

I didn't say it's impossible. I said it's hard. You can come off of your little intellectual soapbox now, if you please.



On top of the fact that your arrogance is ridiculous, your point is wrong.

The "population of San Antonio" is a single thing. I said my opinion of the population in general has changed. I didn't say that I now look at every San Antonian as an asshole.



"I used to think that just about everyone in S.A. was cool. Now I think that they have quite a few idiots"

"I used to think that just about everyone in S.A. was cool. Now I assume that every San Antonian is an idiot"

You're a smart guy, according to you. Figure out the difference between the two.

[samikeyp]

Too much for ya? :p

I didn't say you said it was impossible...I just disagree that its hard. If anyone is going to spew hate like that (on either side) that's a good indication of who to avoid.

I do question your "love" though...if that were true you wouldn't have said the insults you did.

[Loose Cannon]

Already said I got carried away. Plus the reactions were funny. SA has always had a "Dallas, Houston, Austin... what about us down here?" complex. It's funny to see everyone get all defensive.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

Hahahahahaha. That's a joke. Because I still have some love for San Antonio as a city I'm not going go off on how stupid that comment is. But you know.





http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/9391/srbanned7hd.jpg


I created this with photoimport for the hell of it, LOL, which shows anything can be created......

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[Sports Writer JJ]

Actually, I'm the one that got banned from SaintsReport.
Never once did I post anything negative about the people or their plight.
I'm from Baton Rouge, and my parents still live there.

So Don't lump me into that group. I just didn't go along with the popular flow of SR.com

In fact, from day on on SaintsReport, I made it clear that I am behind hosting the Saints here for 2006. Nothing anything further. But evidently that gets you banned from the site.

It's a shame, because good exchanges like we do here. I don't mind people posting their ideas/thoughts. That's what boards are for. Welcome, and just tread carefully and be respectful. We already made a posterboy out of Loose Cannon. Don't want to see that happen to you.



Actually the reason you got banned was because you got caught redhanded not being forthright in your intentions, but maybe you were just trying to be diplomatic, but instead of owning up, you continued to deny it.

You maintained for several pages that it was not your intentions to have the teams permanently placed in SA.

And actually you and I had several good exchanges on the subject before things took a turn,

The SR.com guys questioned your true intentions, and then they did seem to gang up on you,

However after a little research by Mr. Sparkle from your posts here, it was obvious that you truely wanted the team to stay here permanently. I understand that, but you will BSing everyone, and they all knew it.

Then you belittled our fundraising efforts. Thats why I think you got banned to be honest, a lot of people on SR.com worked hard, and raised money and donated money to us and you implied it was waisted or not well spent and told us if we wanted to help give it to some people who lost everything.

However you apparrently were not aware that some of the people organizing our fundraisers were actually people that lost everything.

Then I read your posts here wanting to boycott SR.com and all things Saints, calling yourself the greatest Smack taker ever.


I appriciated your initial effort of civility, and I engaged you in a reasonable conversation, but with just a little turmoil you flopped to the other extreme.

The jabs at our fundraising were uncalled for, and we knew you were not forthright in you telling us you do not want the team in SA permanently.

Then to run here and demand your fellow Spurs fans Boycott SR.com and fight to keep them here, well, disappoints me.

[Loose Cannon]

Now that is owned. Not the "utsagolfpb" definition of "owned". But truly owned.

[samikeyp]

Already said I got carried away. Plus the reactions were funny. SA has always had a "Dallas, Houston, Austin... what about us down here?" complex. It's funny to see everyone get all defensive.

I disagree with that....personally I have never had that issue and the people I know here don't either. Some may have...I think the city government has at times...but no one I know doesn't. The majority of San Antonians just care about their city and want to see it thrive. Who is getting defensive? I think we are on the same page. Sports writer and I (and I think you too) agree that not everyone involved with this thinks in one mindset.

[Loose Cannon]

I agree with what you're saying... but...

One has to look no further than your mayor to see "defensive". Like it or not, he is the face of your city right now. The guy is a loon and has gone on a rampage that could have very well ruined SA's chances of getting a team. All because he felt crossed by Tags' "small market" comment. If that doesn't scream "small penis syndrome", I don't know what does. :)

But like I said, I know that the majority of the population is not like that. Most likely it's a vocal minority. An obnoxious, trashy, vocal minority.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

Actually the reason you got banned was because you got caught redhanded not being forthright in your intentions, but maybe you were just trying to be diplomatic, but instead of owning up, you continued to deny it.

You maintained for several pages that it was not your intentions to have the teams permanently placed in SA.

And actually you and I had several good exchanges on the subject before things took a turn,

The SR.com guys questioned your true intentions, and then they did seem to gang up on you,

However after a little research by Mr. Sparkle from your posts here, it was obvious that you truely wanted the team to stay here permanently. I understand that, but you will BSing everyone, and they all knew it.

Then you belittled our fundraising efforts. Thats why I think you got banned to be honest, a lot of people on SR.com worked hard, and raised money and donated money to us and you implied it was waisted or not well spent and told us if we wanted to help give it to some people who lost everything.

However you apparrently were not aware that some of the people organizing our fundraisers were actually people that lost everything.

Then I read your posts here wanting to boycott SR.com and all things Saints, calling yourself the greatest Smack taker ever.


I appriciated your initial effort of civility, and I engaged you in a reasonable conversation, but with just a little turmoil you flopped to the other extreme.

The jabs at our fundraising were uncalled for, and we knew you were not forthright in you telling us you do not want the team in SA permanently.

Then to run here and demand your fellow Spurs fans Boycott SR.com and fight to keep them here, well, disappoints me.



First of all, ANYONE they found out that had an SA email address, they would not even approve their account...I knew several ppl who tried and they were denied automatically. Yet despite all the bashing and harsh comments many from their had been posting here, they were not banned. Of course we are going to take up for our city just as you would. What do you expect us to do??? Their were many who really did agree with them about the Saints, but they had soo much hate for SA they banned them immediately and shortly after that, no one from SA could get in.

[Marcus Bryant]

Already said I got carried away. Plus the reactions were funny. SA has always had a "Dallas, Houston, Austin... what about us down here?" complex. It's funny to see everyone get all defensive.


Not really. About the only attitude I've detected is that 'we're a big small town and we'd like to stay that way.'

[Loose Cannon]

The rules are different over there. Deal with it. A bunch of San Antonio idiots came and ruined it for everyone else. The mods would rather not deal with trying to sort 1 good SA poster from the 19 bad ones. Many of them are trying to figure out where to live and work in the future. They don't have time for that.

Hell, I've been banned from there more times than I can count.

[Sports Writer JJ]

First of all, ANYONE they found out that had an SA email address, they would not even approve their account...I knew several ppl who tried and they were denied automatically. Yet despite all the bashing and harsh comments many from their had been posting here, they were not banned. Of course we are going to take up for our city just as you would. What do you expect us to do??? Their were many who really did agree with them about the Saints, but they had soo much hate for SA they banned them immediately and shortly after that, no one from SA could get in.


Actually the system will not accept free access email address, like Gmail, or Yahoo, or Hotmail. It has nothing to do with being from San Antonio. Many of our posters had difficulty getting an approved log in initially, I was one.

Am I not asscosiated with SR.com nor am I a Mod. I was however involved in both the Thread utsagolfpb started and ended up being banned for as well as one of the organizers of the fund raisers he took pop shots at.

From my experience what is really happening has not been truely represented here on Spurstalk, aside from that, If the mods are banning you why the hatred for posters at SR.com


Shiner Bock Girl I understand you defending your city and your city wanting an NFL team. I honestly do, but when your mayor and your press lose all class while trying to do it, we do not expect yall to defend them anylonger.

We dont.

You should see some of the things we discuss about the New Orleans Mayor on the board.

Just because he is your mayor and he is trying to get your city a team, does not justify some of the classless things he said in his efforts to land the Saints permantly.

Defending his classlessness because you want a team too, may to you seem like the ends justifying the means, but to a person in Louisiana it appears to be classless support of the mayors efforts to move the team.


In other words, Your locale had nothing to do with the hatred you recieved, your defences of the Mayor and his actions did.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

Actually the system will not accept free access email address, like Gmail, or Yahoo, or Hotmail. It has nothing to do with being from San Antonio. Many of our posters had difficulty getting an approved log in initially, I was one.

Am I not asscosiated with SR.com nor am I a Mod. I was however involved in both the Thread utsagolfpb started and ended up being banned for as well as one of the organizers of the fund raisers he took pop shots at.

From my experience what is really happening has not been truely represented here on Spurstalk, aside from that, If the mods are banning you why the hatred for posters at SR.com


Shiner Bock Girl I understand you defending your city and your city wanting an NFL team. I honestly do, but when your mayor and your press lose all class while trying to do it, we do not expect yall to defend them anylonger.

We dont.

You should see some of the things we discuss about the New Orleans Mayor on the board.

Just because he is your mayor and he is trying to get your city a team, does not justify some of the classless things he said in his efforts to land the Saints permantly.

Defending his classlessness because you want a team too, may to you seem like the ends justifying the means, but to a person in Louisiana it appears to be classless support of the mayors efforts to move the team.


In other words, Your locale had nothing to do with the hatred you recieved, your defences of the Mayor and his actions did.



OHHH NOOO, these are ppl with roadrunner addy's, not yahoo or hotmail....They waited for their response and said they were declined...

[Shiner Bock Girl]

Also i do agree our mayor is definately running his mouth wayy too much...If none of this had been voiced, no one would be fighting right now.

[samikeyp]

One has to look no further than your mayor to see "defensive".

I was going for crotchety but that's ok. :)

Again..he is one guy, yes he has the biggest podium but it takes intelligence to realize that he is a politician and looking out for his own legacy. Most San Antonians are glad to have NFL football here and would love to see it here but don't agree with the hard stance the Mayor has taken.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

The rules are different over there. Deal with it. A bunch of San Antonio idiots came and ruined it for everyone else. The mods would rather not deal with trying to sort 1 good SA poster from the 19 bad ones. Many of them are trying to figure out where to live and work in the future. They don't have time for that.

Hell, I've been banned from there more times than I can count.

LOL, You've been banned from there and still go back??? LOL. Thats why i love this board because they allow everyone to speak their peace, as long as it doesn't get too out of hand. But ppl will get defensive on here because we love SA, and some from SA will agree with you. Goes both ways.

[samikeyp]

I will get defensive if my city is insulted for no good reason. Fire all the shots you want at particular individuals but some of the smack at SR is out of line and not relevant to the issue.

[PeterBurns]

Actually the reason you got banned was because you got caught redhanded not being forthright in your intentions, but maybe you were just trying to be diplomatic, but instead of owning up, you continued to deny it.

Which is entire BullShit. When I put up the site, I put it up to have it to support the Saints in 2006. So get your facts straight friend.


You maintained for several pages that it was not your intentions to have the teams permanently placed in SA.

Again, when I put the site up, that is 100% the idea. When this first came out, I was 100% for having some team here. I even posted here, that I thought the Saints Opportunity would be a great one, albeit unforunate and weird one, to show the NFL if we could support a team in the future. In fact, I said that at least this gives the city the chance to show if we can or cannot support it.

Here is where I give SaintsReport.com credit. When I posted on the site, people, including yourself and maybe even LC (before it got ugly), provided me some good insight to what you were going through. It was then when I even changed the site (And no believe what you want, I did not do it after the fact. People here at SpursTalk who know me personally, know that not the person I am) and my opinion that the Saints should stay in New Orleans when feasible. I didn't not think it would be ready for 2006, so I continued with the San Antonio 2006 site.

So I do give credit for the site for explaining why it is important for the team to someday return, and I believe it in now. Does that change the fact that I would like to see them here for 2006? No way in hell.



And actually you and I had several good exchanges on the subject before things took a turn,

The SR.com guys questioned your true intentions, and then they did seem to gang up on you,


However after a little research by Mr. Sparkle from your posts here, it was obvious that you truely wanted the team to stay here permanently. I understand that, but you will BSing everyone, and they all knew it.

Again true. Before I ever posted on SaintsReport and put up the site, I wanted a team here. Listen, I got 50+ good emails from people telling me stories about what the Saints mean to them, and why they should stay, and much of that stuck with me. But again, that doesn't change the fact that I still think they should play in San Antonio. So I never BS'd anyone. If I wanted the Saints for good, why wouldn't I have put up SASaints.com, SanAntonioSaints.com....etc.


Then you belittled our fundraising efforts. Thats why I think you got banned to be honest, a lot of people on SR.com worked hard, and raised money and donated money to us and you implied it was waisted or not well spent and told us if we wanted to help give it to some people who lost everything.
However you apparrently were not aware that some of the people organizing our fundraisers were actually people that lost everything.

I wrote 2 posts on the topic, that I felt that if you wanted to make a difference to someone, don't spend money on flying a banner over a college stadium about a football team, give it to a family that can use those funds. Even if people lost everything, I can't believe that someone would be diluted enough to believe that paying for the fuel of an airplane and banner company would be more important than helping a family who's kids don't have food or clothing. Am I wrong? This is a billon dollar decision, and one that won't be made over a airplane flying with a banner.......


Then I read your posts here wanting to boycott SR.com and all things Saints, calling yourself the greatest Smack taker ever.

Did I say boycott. Hell no, In fact I visit the site each day and read up what is going on, just because I can't post doesn't mean the site it not good for info. I'm a Saints Fans my friend, why would I boycott all things Saints?????
As far as the greatest ever......I'll let my record stand for itself.



I appriciated your initial effort of civility, and I engaged you in a reasonable conversation, but with just a little turmoil you flopped to the other extreme.

Never.
When I was accused of something that I did not ever do, that is when I reply with prudence. If I posted that you were a racist, bigot, and said that you told me that All Mexicans are Spics. You would refute the comments, no different than I replied about my false accusations.


The jabs at our fundraising were uncalled for, and we knew you were not forthright in you telling us you do not want the team in SA permanently

Sorry about that. Noble effort. And pretty cool that you can raise that money. Again, I still think it's better put to use elsewhere, but it's your money. As far as the SA Permanently, I've told you enough about that already


Then to run here and demand your fellow Spurs fans Boycott SR.com and fight to keep them here, well, disappoints me.
Show me where I told them to boycott them.....

[Sports Writer JJ]

Also i do agree our mayor is definately running his mouth wayy too much...If none of this had been voiced, no one would be fighting right now.


I agree, but the real villian is Benson, different story there though.

I am not aware of any decisions not to let anyone on from SA simply because they were from SA.

However I will tell you if they did it was because of some of the horrible things people were saying.

I am sure that noone from here was responsable for that but they wanted to minimize it as much as possible.

If you want to boycott it, I guess thats you choice.

If you wanna enroll and you cant get in, email the webmaster, I did, and I got an explanation.

[PeterBurns]

Now that is owned. Not the "utsagolfpb" definition of "owned". But truly owned.

Oops Again. Loose.
Don't worry. Sooner or later you'll get one. Keep trying kiddo
Keep that chin up!

[Loose Cannon]

If you had explained it like that you wouldn't have been flamed and banned.

"At first I wanted the Saints here but after hearing about what people went through I just wanted them here for 2006". Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. And while I question whether you are telling the truth or not (I suspect you are crawfishing), that would have been accepted on SaintsReport and it wouldn't have gotten as ugly as it did.

But you handled yourself like shit. Your posts came off as troll posts. Others from SA have managed to stay because they know how to handle themselves.

And your insults of our fundraising efforts were blatantly offensive. It was patronizing and insulting to the efforts of many. I'm not going to get into the merits of the efforts with you because that's for another thread, but you have no right to come in and tell Louisianians trying to save a piece of their state that they are doing something wrong or inappropriate. You have no clue.

[PeterBurns]

Owned is when they job Vince Young from winning the Heisman. If they give it to Bush, it will be the biggest freaking joke in voting history.

[PeterBurns]

If you had explained it like that you wouldn't have been flamed and banned.
If people would have responded to me in a normal fashion, and not throw darts they would see that's what I put on SaintsReport from Day 1. But too many people thought I was a guy holding a San Antonio Saints Flag and saying F-The people of Katrina. Which is not right.

"At first I wanted the Saints here but after hearing about what people went through I just wanted them here for 2006". Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. And while I question whether you are telling the truth or not (I suspect you are crawfishing), that would have been accepted on SaintsReport and it wouldn't have gotten as ugly as it did.


But you handled yourself like shit. Your posts came off as troll posts. Others from SA have managed to stay because they know how to handle themselves.


No. A Troll is one who posts for the fact of getting a rise out of someone. A Post that makes no sense, and is clearly there to ignite a fire. Since I have no access, show me a post from my history at SaintsReport that said anything bad about the people of NO or LA?



And your insults of our fundraising efforts were blatantly offensive. It was patronizing and insulting to the efforts of many. I'm not going to get into the merits of the efforts with you because that's for another thread, but you have no right to come in and tell Louisianians trying to save a piece of their state that they are doing something wrong or inappropriate.

You may be right, I'm sure people weren't thrilled but am I not entitled to an opinion that I think the money could be better put to use?

I even posted there, that I thought the effort was great, and that it was cool to see people bond together, but what if they did that to help out the families that you feeling for.



You have no clue

Are you from Louisiana?

[Sports Writer JJ]

Show me where I told them to boycott them.....

My bad, that was Mouse that said to boycott, I stand by all other points though.

Again I believe your change of heart about keeping the team in San Antonio permanently, but as LC points out, that was not conveyed to us at SR.com well.


and it seems we are all alot closer to an understanding and I think VY will not win the heisman. southern cal....

Everyone LOVES usfuckingc and I am sick of it!

[Loose Cannon]

You didn't directly insult anyone. But your posts were smug and inflammatory in a smarmy, "jab at you" sort of way.

As for the fundraiser and your opinion of it... common sense would tell you just to keep it to yourself. When the very people involved in the fundraiser have lost homes and jobs, a San Antonian coming in and belittling the efforts if VERY tacky.

As for me, I'm originally from Louisiana. I contributed to the fundraiser. I wrote the text part of the flyers for the Miami game. I handed them out at the game. I gave money to the radio fund. If my family and friends from Louisiana tell me that they want to put the effort in to keep the Saints, that's good enough for me. I value the opinion of those who were directly affected more than that of a nonfactor such as yourself.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

I agree, but the real villian is Benson, different story there though.

I am not aware of any decisions not to let anyone on from SA simply because they were from SA.

However I will tell you if they did it was because of some of the horrible things people were saying.

I am sure that noone from here was responsable for that but they wanted to minimize it as much as possible.

If you want to boycott it, I guess thats you choice.

If you wanna enroll and you cant get in, email the webmaster, I did, and I got an explanation.


I agree again on Benson because he obviously told Hardberger something to give SA hope. If he said anything he should have kept it under the table if he is not planning on making any decisions till after the football season. As far as saintsreport, i really do not care about that site because it is full of hate for SA so i'd rather not go there. I was only telling you our experience and those who really meant to go there NOT to bash to NOLA. But like every message board, there will always be someone who may screw it up for everyone else.

[Sports Writer JJ]

You may be right, I'm sure people weren't thrilled but am I not entitled to an opinion that I think the money could be better put to use?

I even posted there, that I thought the effort was great, and that it was cool to see people bond together, but what if they did that to help out the families that you feeling for.



Are you from Louisiana?


You are also entitled to the backlash of your opinion if it offends people.

Some of the organizes of the fund raisers were actually those who lost it all.

that was a touchy subject the fundraising...

[Sports Writer JJ]

Alright guys I am out, I have a dinner date...

I'll check in later or tomorrow to see if we are all settled..

[PeterBurns]

My bad, that was Mouse that said to boycott, I stand by all other points though.

No problem, You have to understand that Mouse is one step above the game. His posts are meant to expedite feelings. And most people here know that.


Again I believe your change of heart about keeping the team in San Antonio permanently, but as LC points out, that was not conveyed to us at SR.com well.

I didn't get a chance to. Before I knew it, I was being accused of things, and never got a chance to post that before I got banned



and it seems we are all alot closer to an understanding and I think VY will not win the heisman. southern cal....

Everyone LOVES usfuckingc and I am sick of it!

Agreed.

[Loose Cannon]

Alright guys I am out, I have a dinner date...

Tell him we said hello.

I'm out as well. Happy hour calls.

[PeterBurns]

You didn't directly insult anyone. But your posts were smug and inflammatory in a smarmy, "jab at you" sort of way.

Move like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Just kidding. Sorry.



As for the fundraiser and your opinion of it... common sense would tell you just to keep it to yourself. When the very people involved in the fundraiser have lost homes and jobs, a San Antonian coming in and belittling the efforts if VERY tacky.

Yes, you were right. Nobody ever accused me of having good taste. Hell, I married a dog of a woman.



As for me, I'm originally from Louisiana. I contributed to the fundraiser. I wrote the text part of the flyers for the Miami game. I handed them out at the game. I gave money to the radio fund. If my family and friends from Louisiana tell me that they want to put the effort in to keep the Saints, that's good enough for me. I value the opinion of those who were directly affected more than that of a nonfactor such as yourself.

That is cool. Believe it or not, I do admire the determination.

This appears to be the end of a fun hobby of mine.
What else can we disagree on?

[Shiner Bock Girl]

Good Lord, who listens to Mouse....LOL...Well i better get dressed for work, been on wayyy tooo long...Good nite all....

[Oh, Gee!!]

Alright guys I am out, I have a dinner date...

I'll check in later or tomorrow to see if we are all settled..


I thought you were leaving. I can still see you in this thread

[Shiner Bock Girl]

I thought you were leaving. I can still see you in this thread


I know, i'm web addicted...I'll stay logged on till i'm out the door...LOL....Which should be 6pm...I'm very talented, i can get dressed and type at the same time...HA HA

[Oh, Gee!!]

I know, i'm web addicted...I'll stay logged on till i'm out the door...LOL....Which should be 6pm...I'm very talented, i can get dressed and type at the same time...HA HA


are you flirting with me?

[Shiner Bock Girl]

are you flirting with me?


LOLLLL...guess you see i'm back...GOd I HATEEEE nite shift and not having internet access at work, then again if we did, none of my patients would get seen...LOL...