trump wants a herd immunity response to covid.

[Trill Clinton]

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take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.

[ChumpDumper]

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take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.He's intentionally getting it first, right?

That would be leadership.

[Ef-man]

He's intentionally getting it first, right?

That would be leadership.

Better than doing away with social security and medicare. Kill off old. Way to go republicans, new slogan all not old lives matter.

[Trill Clinton]

He's intentionally getting it first, right?

That would be leadership.


i wish. he wants schools open but barron's lanky ass is doing virtual learning.


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[DMC]

"muh economy!"

"muh grand parents!"

"muh protest!"

[Dirks_Finale]

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take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.

Cant close the economy down for an entire year and hide under our beds either. Or people die for a myriad of other reasons.

[ChumpDumper]

Cant close the economy down for an entire year and hide under our beds either.No one is saying to do that.

Why do you have to lie?

[baseline bum]

"muh economy!"

"muh grand parents!"

"muh protest!"

muh honest broker

[Trill Clinton]

Cant close the economy down for an entire year and hide under our beds either. Or people die for a myriad of other reasons.

Nobody wants to close the economy and hide. We know what we're dealing with and have to move smarter. I'd advise the elderly to stay home and limit contact to a few people, though

[Will Hunting]

Germany didn’t close the economy down. They relied on testing (the good tests they developed and that the WHO is using, not the shitty tests we insist on using to enrich BigPharma) and contact tracing. Unemployment there went up less than 1% in March. Murcia only closed the economy because muh privatized healthcare was grossly unprepared for the pandemic and couldn’t provide the infrastructure Germany or South Korea’s healthcare system provided.

[Dirks_Finale]

Nobody wants to close the economy and hide. We know what we're dealing with and have to move smarter. I'd advise the elderly to stay home and limit contact to a few people, though\

Trump has said something along those lines. Protect the elderly. Get back to school but if you are over 65 and/or have pre-existing conditions maybe you should not return to teach this year, etc.

[Trill Clinton]

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Trump has said something along those lines. Protect the elderly. Get back to school but if you are over 65 and/or have pre-existing conditions maybe you should not return to teach this year, etc.

He's full of shit. He had the elderly all in the whitehouse lawn. Herman Caine old ass lost his life trying to trigger me. They say one thing and do another. can't trust people like that.

[Will Hunting]

\

Trump has said something along those lines. Protect the elderly. Get back to school but if you are over 65 and/or have pre-existing conditions maybe you should not return to teach this year, etc.
If he’s “saying it” then why isn’t he doing it? Last I checked he’s president. You act like Biden is president and Trump is the one with no control.

[Ef-man]

\

Trump has said something along those lines. Protect the elderly. Get back to school but if you are over 65 and/or have pre-existing conditions maybe you should not return to teach this year, etc.

Trump says alot of things but they have to be interpreted by others, just like you are doing. After almost 4 years, you would think trump would just plainly say what he means so others dont have to explain what he said.

Where is comprehensive covid plan?

Where is the health care plan that he was touting to replace the Affordable Care Act. Or was plan just to get rid of it and not care about anyone but rich? Extremely mixed message for a leader of a first world country. But am sure you will provide a response for this too.

[Dirks_Finale]

I'm not a fan of his response to COVID. Several things he could have and should have done better. And if he loses the election, that will be why.

Any hope of the Republicans putting out their own health care plan died on the senate floor when McCain wanted to get cute and flip off Trump. ACA is still the law of the land so to speak, as a result.


Trump says alot of things but they have to be interpreted by others, just like you are doing. After almost 4 years, you would think trump would just plainly say what he means so others dont have to explain what he said.

Where is comprehensive covid plan?

Where is the health care plan that he was touting to replace the Affordable Care Act. Or was plan just to get rid of it and not care about anyone but rich? Extremely mixed message for a leader of a first world country. But am sure you will provide a response for this too.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not a fan of his response to COVID. Several things he could have and should have done better. And if he loses the election, that will be why.

Any hope of the Republicans putting out their own health care plan died on the senate floor when McCain wanted to get cute and flip off Trump. ACA is still the law of the land so to speak, as a result.What were they going to replace it with had McCain voted with them?

[Dirks_Finale]

It was a Rand Paul speared plan that we never got all the details on, unfortunately.


What were they going to replace it with had McCain voted with them?

[Will Hunting]

I'm not a fan of his response to COVID. Several things he could have and should have done better. And if he loses the election, that will be why.

Any hope of the Republicans putting out their own health care plan died on the senate floor when McCain wanted to get cute and flip off Trump. ACA is still the law of the land so to speak, as a result.
Why couldn’t they make their “health plan” part of the same bill repealing Obamacare? There’s no logical reason they needed to repeal Obamacare before even revealing what their replacement plan was. They never had any intention of replacing Obamacare, they wanted to dupe America into thinking they were going to replace Obamacare with “something better” that would provide the preexisting condition protections Obamacare provided. Fortunately it was only retarded Trump supporters who fell for it and Congressmen in swing districts got their asses hand to them in 2018.

The only reason McCain and milquetoast Susan Collins voted against repealing Obamacare was because there was no replacement.

[ChumpDumper]

It was a Rand Paul speared plan that we never got all the details on, unfortunately.:lmao

Trust my super secret plan!

[Will Hunting]

It was a Rand Paul speared plan that we never got all the details on, unfortunately.
:lmao the passive sentence “we never got all the details”

I think you mean the Republicans who drafted the plan intentionally didn’t share details with the American people because they knew it was a shitty plan that would have gutted preexisting condition protections. It’s not like sharing details was out of Rand Paul’s control, he could have shared them and decided not to.

Why are you agnostic to Republicans not sharing details of their legislative agenda?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao the passive sentence “we never got all the details”Details were not gotten....

[weebo]

From the party of pro life to the party of pro after life.

[weebo]

What Trump chumps fail to grasp is that the root cause to every thing that is happening in this country (failed economy, unemployment, racial riots, closed schools, etc....) is because of Trump's failed response to the virus.

[SnakeBoy]

Nobody wants to close the economy and hide. We know what we're dealing with and have to move smarter. I'd advise the elderly to stay home and limit contact to a few people, though

They have been advised exactly that

[ChumpDumper]

They have been advised exactly that
What if they have to work to, you know, live?

[Ef-man]

More articulate than the derp but same bias.

[SnakeBoy]

Lab confirms 1st coronavirus reinfection in the US
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/lab-confirms-1st-coronavirus-reinfection-in-the-us/ar-BB18tWXp?ocid=uxbndlbing

Fauci: COVID-19 Vaccine May Only End Up Being 50% to 60% Effective
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-covid-19-vaccine-may-only-end-up-being-50-to-60-effective/ar-BB17HHfH

[ChumpDumper]

Lab confirms 1st coronavirus reinfection in the US
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/lab-confirms-1st-coronavirus-reinfection-in-the-us/ar-BB18tWXp?ocid=uxbndlbing

Fauci: COVID-19 Vaccine May Only End Up Being 50% to 60% Effective
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-covid-19-vaccine-may-only-end-up-being-50-to-60-effective/ar-BB17HHfHWhat is your herd immunity strategy?

[Will Hunting]

What if they have to work to, you know, live?
They need to find their bootstraps and figure it out!

[Trill Clinton]

They have been advised exactly that

Why did trump allow so many elderly to attend a mass gathering with no masks? Y'all love to cry about complying but y'all don't comply.

[ChumpDumper]

They need to find their bootstraps and figure it out!#findsomethingnewpeasant

[SnakeBoy]

What if they have to work to, you know, live?

HCQ 200mg twice per week plus zinc & vitamin D

[TimDunkem]

#findsomethingnewpeasant
#shouldvemadebetterlifechoicesloser

#wheresyourrainydayfundfaggot

#livingbeyondyourmeansIguesspleb

[SnakeBoy]

Why did trump allow so many elderly to attend a mass gathering with no masks? Y'all love to cry about complying but y'all don't comply.

It's a free country still

[ChumpDumper]

HCQ 200mg twice per week plus zinc & vitamin DWhere did you get your medical degree?

Be honest.

[baseline bum]

It's a free country still

No it isn't :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Where did you get your medical degree?

Be honest.

University of Osmosis

[Ef-man]

It's a free country still

This here is Murica. That is not how it works. To quote the famous Barry Gordy and Janie Bradford:

The best things in life are free
But you can keep 'em for the birds and bees;

Now give me money, (that's what I want) that's what I want,
(That's what I want) That's what I want (That's what I want) yeah,
That's what I want.

[SnakeBoy]

No it isn't :lol

Should have said somewhat free :lol

[Ef-man]

University of Osmosis

continued:

Your lovin' give me such a thrill,
But your lovin' don't pay my bills;

[Ef-man]

Should have said somewhat free :lol

refrain:

Money don't get everything it's true,
What it don't get I can't use;

[Ef-man]

refrain

Well, now give me money, (That's what I want)
A lotta money, (That's what I want)
Oh yeah, I wanna be free, (That's what I want)
Oh, lotta money, (That's what I want)
That's what I want (That's what I want) yeah,
That's what I want.

Well, now give me money, (That's what I want)
A lotta money, (That's what I want)
Wo, yeah, You need money (That's what I want)
Gimme money, (That's what I want)
That's what I want (That's what I want)
That's what I want.

[Dirks_Finale]

It was typical partisan politics in action. When the ACA repeal got shot down, the Republicans made the political decision to let the Dems own a crippled version of it.

Let's be real, there's no great solution on healthcare. It's going to be expensive with ill effects(like death panels) no matter how it's sliced.


:lmao the passive sentence “we never got all the details”

I think you mean the Republicans who drafted the plan intentionally didn’t share details with the American people because they knew it was a shitty plan that would have gutted preexisting condition protections. It’s not like sharing details was out of Rand Paul’s control, he could have shared them and decided not to.

Why are you agnostic to Republicans not sharing details of their legislative agenda?

[SnakeBoy]

What is your herd immunity strategy?

I don't have a strategy. Herd immunity is the other side of this though, only two ways to get there. Unless herd immunity isn't possible at all which is the worst case scenario.

What is your strategy?

[ChumpDumper]

University of OsmosisWhy can't you be honest?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have a strategy. Herd immunity is the other side of this though, only two ways to get there. Unless herd immunity isn't possible at all which is the worst case scenario.

What is your strategy?Not wishcasting.

[SnakeBoy]

Why can't you be honest?

How many ST accounts do you have?

[Will Hunting]

It was typical partisan politics in action. When the ACA repeal got shot down, the Republicans made the political decision to let the Dems own a crippled version of it.

Let's be real, there's no great solution on healthcare. It's going to be expensive with ill effects(like death panels) no matter how it's sliced.
You didn’t answer my question as to why Rand Paul never revealed details of his plan.

Weve already had the argument about which healthcare solution is best. I provide myriad statistics and evidence as to why Murican healthcare is a joke, you responded by saying yeah high costs suck but you need to protect muh capitalism and muh innovation.

:lmao “death panels”. You’re high on 2009 era Republican talking points.

[ChumpDumper]

How many ST accounts do you have?2 with any appreciable number of posts (over double-digits). I can only think of one more created in the days when such things were done regularly but there might be more one-offs.

Why can't you be honest?

[Ef-man]

You didn’t answer my question as to why Rand Paul never revealed details of his plan.

Weve already had the argument about which healthcare solution is best. I provide myriad statistics and evidence as to why Murican healthcare is a joke, you responded by saying yeah high costs suck but you need to protect muh capitalism and muh innovation.

:lmao “death panels”. You’re high on 2009 era Republican talking points.

“death panels” :lmao

What is next? Biden’s emails? :lol

Relapsing to fear mongering.

So much for honest broker.

[Will Hunting]

“death panels” :lmao

What is next? Biden’s emails? :lol

Relapsing to fear mongering.

So much for honest broker.
"death panels!"

"Obama did nothing but apologize for America!"

Only a matter of time before he starts talking about Natalie Holloway :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

2 with any appreciable number of posts (over double-digits). I can only think of one more created in the days when such things were done regularly but there might be more one-offs.


What was your purpose for creating more accounts than you can remember?

[ChumpDumper]

What was your purpose for creating more accounts than you can remember?It was quite the fad back in the day before registration approval, even if for a single joke. Pavlov, for example, was created in response to a poster who had created a Pavlov's Dog account and I told him to sit.

Now, how about you answer my question:

Why can't you be honest?

[boutons_deux]

Dijon mustard!

crotch salute!

[Will Hunting]

Dijon mustard!
terrorist fistbump!

Bill Ayers!

Reverend Wright!

[Ef-man]

terrorist fistbump!

Bill Ayers!

Reverend Wright!

Tan suite

Putting feet on presidential desk

[TimDunkem]

He forgot to salute. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Tan suite

Putting feet on presidential desk:lmao imagine how enormous Trump would look in a light colored suit.

[Ef-man]

:lmao imagine how enormous Trump would look in a light colored suit.

:lmao

Weather Service would arrive thinking he was a lost aerostat balloon.

[Dirks_Finale]

You didn’t answer my question as to why Rand Paul never revealed details of his plan.

Weve already had the argument about which healthcare solution is best. I provide myriad statistics and evidence as to why Murican healthcare is a joke, you responded by saying yeah high costs suck but you need to protect muh capitalism and muh innovation.

:lmao “death panels”. You’re high on 2009 era Republican talking points.

No I answered. Why are they going to reveal details of their plan when their strategy is to make Democrats and ACA look bad? Not going to give you ammunition. Not McConnell's first rodeo.

And yeah Obama had nice charts and graphs just like you. Meant jack sh#t when people's premiums went from $300 a month to $1k per month :lol

[Will Hunting]

No I answered. Why are they going to reveal details of their plan when their strategy is to make Democrats and ACA look bad? Not going to give you ammunition. Not McConnell's first rodeo.

And yeah Obama had nice charts and graphs just like you. Meant jack sh#t when people's premiums went from $300 a month to $1k per month :lol
:lmao so you admit the Republicans had no intention of improving American healthcare and just wanted to play political games with people's lives.

We don't disagree there :tu

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao so you admit the Republicans had no intention of improving American healthcare and just wanted to play political games with people's lives.

We don't disagree there :tu:lmao vaporware medical plan

[Will Hunting]

:lmao vaporware medical plan
:lol he insisted Republicans had a healthcare plan, but admitted that Republicans' only real intent was to make Obamacare look bad so they were never going to reveal their plan

:lol he's incapable of seeing how contradictory and incoherent his arguments are

[ChumpDumper]

:lol he insisted Republicans had a healthcare plan, but admitted that Republicans' only real intent was to make Obamacare look bad so they were never going to reveal their plan

:lol he's incapable of seeing how contradictory and incoherent his arguments areSuch are the travails of the ST h:lolnest br:lolkers.

[Dirks_Finale]

:lmao so you admit the Republicans had no intention of improving American healthcare and just wanted to play political games with people's lives.

We don't disagree there :tu

Dems were going to be heavily critical of whatever it was, and you know this. So does McConnell. It's why you never saw it.

[ChumpDumper]

Dems were going to be heavily critical of whatever it was, and you know this. So does McConnell. It's why you never saw it.:lmao

[Will Hunting]

Dems were going to be heavily critical of whatever it was, and you know this. So does McConnell. It's why you never saw it.
:lmao so it's now the Dems' fault that Republicans never revealed their healthcare plan? Do you not see how insanely stupid this logic is, that Republicans had every right to hide their amorphous healthcare bill from the American people because the big mean Dems were going to be critical of it?

[DMC]

Tan suite

Putting feet on presidential desk

Probably avoiding the semen stains on the carpet from the Clinton era.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao so it's now the Dems' fault that Republicans never revealed their healthcare plan? Do you not see how insanely stupid this logic is, that Republicans had every right to hide their amorphous healthcare bill from the American people because the big mean Dems were going to be critical of it?They'd say bad things about it on MSNBC!

[baseline bum]

terrorist fistbump!

Bill Ayers!

Reverend Wright!

Gave the queen an ipod

[DMC]

Fuck the queen

[Will Hunting]

They'd say bad things about it on MSNBC!
:cry can't expect McConnell to subject himself to that big mean dyke Rachel Maddow. He should have a full license to pass secretive legislation that the American people get to see. You can't expect him to subject himself to liberal cruelty :cry

[Dirks_Finale]

:lmao so it's now the Dems' fault that Republicans never revealed their healthcare plan? Do you not see how insanely stupid this logic is, that Republicans had every right to hide their amorphous healthcare bill from the American people because the big mean Dems were going to be critical of it?

Don't be deceived into thinking the democrats don't do the same sh#t. They play politics with your livelihood everyday, you just don't see it.

Realistically, was said plan any better than ACA? Probably not, but it also couldn't have been any worse :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Don't be deceived into thinking the democrats don't do the same sh#t. They play politics with your livelihood everyday, you just don't see it.

Realistically, was said plan any better than ACA? Probably not, but it also couldn't have been any worse :lolMan this is the third lane you've swerved into.

Dude needs a superhighway.

[baseline bum]

Dijon mustard!

:cry President Poupon :cry

[DMC]

Man this is the third lane you've swerved into.

Dude needs a superhighway.

From forum cop to traffic cop

[Will Hunting]

Don't be deceived into thinking the democrats don't do the same sh#t. They play politics with your livelihood everyday, you just don't see it.

Realistically, was said plan any better than ACA? Probably not, but it also couldn't have been any worse :lol
Oh OK so now you've given up on defending how the Republicans handled it and have gone with "but Democrats do it too!" crutch. Predictable.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to hide legislation from the American people. Be specific.

I'd say what we had before Obamacare (i.e., what we would have had if Republicans had gotten their bill passed) where people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get health insurance unless it was through an employer is a lot worse than Obamacare.

[ChumpDumper]

From forum cop to traffic copThis would be more of a road planning job.

[DMC]

Oh OK so now you've given up on defending how the Republicans handled it and have gone with "but Democrats do it too!" crutch. Predictable.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to hide legislation from the American people. Be specific.

I'd say what we had before Obamacare (i.e., what we would have had if Republicans had gotten their bill passed) where people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get health insurance unless it was through an employer is a lot worse than Obamacare.

:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Oh OK so now you've given up on defending how the Republicans handled it and have gone with "but Democrats do it too!" crutch. Predictable.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to hide legislation from the American people. Be specific.

I'd say what we had before Obamacare (i.e., what we would have had if Republicans had gotten their bill passed) where people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get health insurance unless it was through an employer is a lot worse than Obamacare.

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

[Will Hunting]

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5
Obamacare's biggest failing is that it didn't provide a public option that could have begun the process of demolishing the insanely stupid system that is employer-based healthcare.

For all the "muh small business!" rhetoric from Republicans, one of the biggest reasons small businesses thrive in other countries a lot more than they do here is because of a healthcare system that relies on employers to be the primary facilitators of health insurance coverage (even before Obamacare, small businesses provided health insurance, so blaming Obamacare for that is disingenuous). It's not a burden for a company with 100,000 employees to provide healthcare - they have a giant risk pool and they can self-insure (which most of them do). Companies with <500 employees don't have the same luxury and can't self insure.

[Nathan89]

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take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.

A herd immunity response would involve protecting the elderly.

[ChumpDumper]

A herd immunity response would involve protecting the elderly.We're not doing that thanks to Trump's failed ideology.

[boutons_deux]

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

Much worse was Roberts allowing states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, causing 15K deaths in those states, and an actual lower longevity vs states that expanded Medicaid.

Companies providing group plans is a historical perversion (goes back WWII labor shortage in SF Bay shipbuilding) that USA can't correct, eg, by switching from for-profit scam to Medicare for All

[El Santo]

Ill take herd immunity over bill gates vaccine anyday..

[ElNono]

:lmao so it's now the Dems' fault that Republicans never revealed their healthcare plan? Do you not see how insanely stupid this logic is, that Republicans had every right to hide their amorphous healthcare bill from the American people because the big mean Dems were going to be critical of it?

There's only one reason to hide any kind of plan from people: it fucking sucks ass. Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason. Heck, it was a moment where they could've made political gains.

The strategy for repealing Barrycare first was so there would be all these million of people that suddenly had no insurance, and they could ram whatever piece of shit plan they were thinking about, so they could at least say, "hey, this is better than nothing".

[ElNono]

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

Obamacare biggest failing is that it doesn't control costs, period. You can twist and turn the whole healthcare equation around, but if you don't put price caps on things like medicines, treatments, etc (like every other country in the world) you will simply continue down the same failed path.

[rmt]

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take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.

Your post is quite a jump from that video - seeing that the older one is, the more likely (loosely speaking) it is that he/she is Republican. Are you saying Trump wants to kill off the people who make up most of his base?

[Will Hunting]

There's only one reason to hide any kind of plan from people: it fucking sucks ass. Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason. Heck, it was a moment where they could've made political gains.

The strategy for repealing Barrycare first was so there would be all these million of people that suddenly had no insurance, and they could ram whatever piece of shit plan they were thinking about, so they could at least say, "hey, this is better than nothing".
I still think they had no plan and they wanted to simply repeal Obamacare to make it so things went back to the way they were.

Agreed though that if they actually had a better plan it would have been revealed.

[ChumpDumper]

Your post is quite a jump from that video - seeing that the older one is, the more likely (loosely speaking) it is that he/she is Republican. Are you saying Trump wants to kill off the people who make up most of his base?

Absolutely.

[rmt]

Much worse was Roberts allowing states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, causing 15K deaths in those states, and an actual lower longevity vs states that expanded Medicaid.

Companies providing group plans is a historical perversion (goes back WWII labor shortage in SF Bay shipbuilding) that USA can't correct, eg, by switching from for-profit scam to Medicare for All

I think there is a misunderstanding of Medicare on this board. I don't know one person who has Medicare that is not using it under a "for profit" company (like Avmed or Blue Cross Blue Shield) - these are usually Medicare Advantage plans - ranging from HMO-types (limited area, limited physician network) to PPO-types (like what my mother in law has) with virtually unlimited geographic coverage and physician network (she pays iirc over $3000 per year in addition to the $144.60 per month that most people have to pay for Medicare Part B). I don't know a single person who uses the Original (government) Medicare because you'd be on the hook for 20% of almost everything.

https://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/medicare-costs-at-a-glance

It seems to me the much touted Medicare for All on this board is actually MEDICAID if you are not expecting to pay all the costs associated with linked page above. Let's call a spade a spade and not mix up the meaning of "government run" Medicaid (or similarly VA) with "for profit" Medicare Advantage - that many seniors are pleased with.