right wings new hero, kyle rittenhouse caught on camera beating up a girl

[DMC]

It's the other way around, he's agreeing with me. I mentioned this a long time ago. I don't necessarily remember if it was with Biden or RBG, but applies evenly to both.

:lol even more creative. So that would eliminate at least 2 supreme court justices, Hillary, Bernie and many in congress.


You'd have to change the constitution and tell people they better have it done by 70. In fact you'd have to draw the line at 62 since 2 terms are possible. So you could still be unable to draw social security but you cannot run for office because you're too old.

[daboom1]

They are well programmed for eugenics, killing babies in the womb and tossing the elderly out with the trash.

[ElNono]

:lol even more creative. So that would eliminate at least 2 supreme court justices, Hillary, Bernie and many in congress.

You'd have to change the constitution and tell people they better have it done by 70. In fact you'd have to draw the line at 62 since 2 terms are possible. So you could still be unable to draw social security but you cannot run for office because you're too old.

Absolutely would require a Constitutional amendment, and I'm not under any illusion that will happen anytime soon, especially in this political climate.

IIRC, the line I drew up was somewhere in the 60's, and you would need to be under it when you're elected (ie: entering your position, you can finish your term over it). The SCOTUS is more complicated because of indefinite terms.

Just retire already. Go play with your grandkids.

[ElNono]

They are well programmed for eugenics, killing babies in the womb and tossing the elderly out with the trash.

I want the elderly to go play with the babies, instead of being a menace to society. You're too dumb for this conversation anyways, go fetch me some Jack P:lols:lolbiec tweets.

[daboom1]

gotheem

[ElNono]

^^ Beep boop

[DMC]

Absolutely would require a Constitutional amendment, and I'm not under any illusion that will happen anytime soon, especially in this political climate.

IIRC, the line I drew up was somewhere in the 60's, and you would need to be under it when you're elected (ie: entering your position, you can finish your term over it). The SCOTUS is more complicated because of indefinite terms.

Just retire already. Go play with your grandkids.

This is akin to "shut up and dribble" with "dribble" meaning something completely different.

I do think competency tests should be required and not administered by a family doctor who wants to remain doctor to the POTUS. However it's up to the voters. Let a younger man run, see how he does. Bootyplug didn't do well, nor did Yang or Tulsi or anyone young. Damn near anyone with a real chance is well established in either media culture or politics. These state reps and senators and such are only known locally. Rarely does an Obama like personality emerge.

[DMC]

I actually think AOC, if she gets her shit together and gets involved in a few more high profile events, could be a dark horse.

[ElNono]

This is akin to "shut up and dribble" with "dribble" meaning something completely different

Well, no. Go ahead and enjoy your life with your family. Nobody is taking that away from them. Just stop working, and especially driving.

Heck, I'll be happy to accommodate an aptitude test as well into this. I admit not everyone ages the same. I'm willing to be reasonable.

[ElNono]

Testing every two years? Would that be ok?

[DMC]

Well, no. Go ahead and enjoy your life with your family. Nobody is taking that away from them. Just stop working, and especially driving.

Heck, I'll be happy to accommodate an aptitude test as well into this. I admit not everyone ages the same. I'm willing to be reasonable.

I'd be ok with extending the military code to also include the CiC. 68 being the retirement age. The problem is that POTUS is simply a chosen position and the constitution provides remedies for incompetence in the Oval Office as long as congress agrees. Therein lies the invisible wall though, everything is decided along party lines. There's no real need for examination.

[DMC]

Testing every two years? Would that be ok?

Up to age 65 then every year. But this is a completely different approach than saying elderly should not be looked up to. The white folks would be the only ones to agree with that, since minorities, especially immigrants, damn near worship their elders.

[ElNono]

I'd be ok with extending the military code to also include the CiC. 68 being the retirement age. The problem is that POTUS is simply a chosen position and the constitution provides remedies for incompetence in the Oval Office as long as congress agrees. Therein lies the invisible wall though, everything is decided along party lines. There's no real need for examination.

Yeah, it's just likely never going to happen. Especially on civilian positions. I just think we're not being honest with ourselves in some of this stuff.


Up to age 65 then every year. But this is a completely different approach than saying elderly should not be looked up to. The white folks would be the only ones to agree with that, since minorities, especially immigrants, damn near worship their elders.

Well, not asking to stop loving them. Just saying that this lady that's driving scared on the left lane doing 25mph on a 50mph road perhaps shouldn't be driving. Driving too slow can also be dangerous and cause accidents.

Politicos like Brandon are enamored with themselves. Just move on, you had a long career, make room for the next generation, good or bad.

[Isitjustme?]

https://i.imgur.com/RCgRPqj.jpeg
Have to admit I lol'd at that. Definitely hate defund the police protestors and the autistic inauguration screecher maybe even more than rittenhouse

[daboom1]

DEjmRHxhCzE

[RandomGuy]

The evidence is overwhelming on the side of self defense. The evidence has always pointed towards self defense. Only cultists couldn't see that reality from the very first night.

The evidence that slavery is evil is pretty overwhelming, chickenshit. only cultists can't admit that.



The problem though is the spate of mass shootings makes every "idiot running around with a gun" into a mass shooter in the eyes of people who don't know what is going on.

Fucking asshat bears a huge amount of moral culpability, if not legal.

[RandomGuy]

Have to admit I lol'd at that. Definitely hate defund the police protestors and the autistic inauguration screecher maybe even more than rittenhouse

This is a good example of why having everybody carrying guns is a bad idea. Friendly fire is a problem when you have trained soldiers.

Imagine some other "good guy with a gun" thinking this kid was some mass shooter, and it doens't take much to have a shootout with tragic consequences.

[DMC]

This is a good example of why having everybody carrying guns is a bad idea. Friendly fire is a problem when you have trained soldiers.

Imagine some other "good guy with a gun" thinking this kid was some mass shooter, and it doens't take much to have a shootout with tragic consequences.

This is like saying "having everybody drive a corvette is a problem, just look at what Ruggs did!"

The 2A doesn't require everyone to carry a gun and the argument you start with is a strawman. Who said everyone should carry a gun?

[ElNono]

This is like saying "having everybody drive a corvette is a problem, just look at what Ruggs did!"

Well, on the driving aspect specifically, we do have constant (every other year?) aptitudes tests.

You also have to pass an initial test to obtain a license, it is indeed a license (a privilege granted to you, not a right), a big ass federal database on drivers, tickets, etc.

You can temporarily or permanently lose your license even if you're not a felon (didn't pay tickets, repeat offender, etc).

The government has ample powers to mandate and regulate manufacturer's safety standards (airbags, seatbelts, etc), and also drivers (mandatory insurance in most states, proof of emission tests in some others)

All of these things didn't really cause a black market of unregistered drivers and vehicles to proliferate either, which is interesting as well.

Clearly, it's not perfect, and won't catch every Ruggs out there. But it does have a big impact in keeping dangerous drivers off the road and in vehicular deaths, which have been steadily on the decline since the 70's.

Yet, I don't foresee that level of regulation being ok with 2A advocates? Certainly not even close with the NRA.

[DMC]

Well, on the driving aspect specifically, we do have constant (every other year?) aptitudes tests.

You also have to pass an initial test to obtain a license, it is indeed a license (a privilege granted to you, not a right), a big ass federal database on drivers, tickets, etc.

You can temporarily or permanently lose your license even if you're not a felon (didn't pay tickets, repeat offender, etc).

The government has ample powers to mandate and regulate manufacturer's safety standards (airbags, seatbelts, etc), and also drivers (mandatory insurance in most states, proof of emission tests in some others)

All of these things didn't really cause a black market of unregistered drivers and vehicles to proliferate either, which is interesting as well.

Clearly, it's not perfect, and won't catch every Ruggs out there. But it does have a big impact in keeping dangerous drivers off the road and in vehicular deaths, which have been steadily on the decline since the 70's.

Yet, I don't foresee that level of regulation being ok with 2A advocates? Certainly not even close with the NRA.

You missed the point. No one suggested everyone drive a corvette but even if they did, Ruggs' results don't indicate the corvette was the issue.

Also, not sure where you live that requires a bi-annual aptitude test for driving. Most states only require you pay and take an eye test. They don't even get a new photo in Texas.

[ElNono]

You missed the point. No one suggested everyone drive a corvette but even if they did, Ruggs' results don't indicate the corvette was the issue.

I don't think I missed the point at all. I was pointing out it was a poor analogy because the regulatory environment between the two are vastly different.


Also, not sure where you live that requires a bi-annual aptitude test for driving. Most states only require you pay and take an eye test. They don't even get a new photo in Texas.

An eye test is indeed an aptitude test. There's also a much more stringent aptitude test in order to get your initial license, which includes testing your training and education.

[DMC]

I don't think I missed the point at all. I was pointing out it was a poor analogy because the regulatory environment between the two are vastly different.



An eye test is indeed an aptitude test. There's also a much more stringent aptitude test in order to get your initial license, which includes testing your training and education.

I wasn't saying these two are the same. I was saying the strawman would be the same as would the false conclusion based on it.

But if you want to continue along those lines, driving isn't a constitutional right.

[ElNono]

I wasn't saying these two are the same. I was saying the strawman would be the same as would the false conclusion based on it.

I don't know that it's a strawman though. Having a massive amount of untrained people carrying/operating guns is likely a major liability, and the fact that it's very difficult to regulate makes this an even larger problem.


But if you want to continue along those lines, driving isn't a constitutional right.

Agreed, though the 2A is also not outside the scope of government regulation. It is a much higher standard due to it being a right that cannot be arbitrarily denied.

[daboom1]

CHDWqRpJJiw

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459570594480021519?s=20

Kyle is a good kid and everyone knows it.

[boutons_deux]

the dickless freak came to kill, why else bring an illegally obtained combat weapon?

and have mommy drive him 100s of miles?

where is video of him being attacked?

if he were black ... you racist RWNJs would kill him yourself.

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1000s of blacks slaughtered, many unarmed, non-threatening, by the murderous cops, and you RWNJs support murdering blacks.

and the jogger in Atlanta? Freddy Gray? Philando Castile? Sandra Bland?

you RWNJs get some balls and admit here that you hate blacks, want them back in Africa, or even dead.

Man up, stop hiding behind politically correct euphemistic BigLies like CRT

The judge is a shit stain on the entire judicial system that let's him spew his crackpot shit for decades.

[boutons_deux]

fucking duh

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[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

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[DMC]

Bouthole now fagging up the thread, thread officially dead.

[DMC]

I don't know that it's a strawman though. Having a massive amount of untrained people carrying/operating guns is likely a major liability, and the fact that it's very difficult to regulate makes this an even larger problem.

Ok show me where someone suggested everyone be armed without attempting to move the goalposts by saying RG didn't literally mean everyone.


Agreed, though the 2A is also not outside the scope of government regulation. It is a much higher standard due to it being a right that cannot be arbitrarily denied.
It's a protected right. Driving isn't. There's really no need to keep going sideways into other lanes on this. (see what I did there?)

[ElNono]

Ok show me where someone suggested everyone be armed without attempting to move the goalposts by saying RG didn't literally mean everyone.

Why is it a goalpost move? We know minors and felons can't legally purchase a gun right now, "everyone" per-se is an impossibility when it comes to guns, and should color his comment.

I can certainly agree with you if you want to say it's a poor choice of words, but it's pretty clear what he was aiming at with that statement. IMO, the goalpost move is trying to dodge the discussion by turning it into a lexical argument.


It's a protected right. Driving isn't. There's really no need to keep going sideways into other lanes on this. (see what I did there?)

But protected rights are not unlimited, that's why, for example, gun-free zones are perfectly legal. That said, I'm gonna be a straight shooter and agree the bar to regulation is much higher on Constitutional rights, and rightly so.

[DMC]

Why is it a goalpost move? We know minors and felons can't legally purchase a gun right now, "everyone" per-se is an impossibility when it comes to guns, and should color his comment.

Because it's a strawman to say what was said when that's not being suggested by anyone. If you change "everyone" to "some people", that's a completely different statement. You're defending the 1st, not the edited version.


I can certainly agree with you if you want to say it's a poor choice of words, but it's pretty clear what he was aiming at with that statement. IMO, the goalpost move is trying to dodge the discussion by turning it into a lexical argument.

Herein lies the common roadblock to discussion on this forum. I wasn't even referring to people ineligible to purchase or possess a firearm. I am referring to the fact that no one suggested everyone eligible to have a firearm would have a firearm. How many "poor choice of words" passes does he get? It was a strawman. If you change the wording to what you seem to be supporting, it doesn't even deserve stating. Some people with firearms... because there are some people with firearms now.


But protected rights are not unlimited, that's why, for example, gun-free zones are perfectly legal. That said, I'm gonna be a straight shooter and agree the bar to regulation is much higher on Constitutional rights, and rightly so.
Now you're on a tangent about something I never even touched on.

[DMC]

btw I realize you're trolling

[spurraider21]

DMC takes people literally to the point of absurdity and then calls any other reasonable interpretation a goalpost move

[ChumpDumper]

UTROLLME is a novel attempt at saving face.

[BackHome]

You all know he is not going to be convicted right?

[ChumpDumper]

You all know he is not going to be convicted right?

Blubbering doughy white man in Wisconsin?

Of course he won't be convicted.

The only thing he missed was testifying in gas station wraparound sunglasses.

[FrostKing]

the dickless freak came to kill, why else bring an illegally obtained combat weapon?

and have mommy drive him 100s of miles?

where is video of him being attacked?

if he were black ... you racist RWNJs would kill him yourself.

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https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s1080x2048/257543616_251064713791777_8128210488646200365_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Xu--ZPr5t78AX_7GQEh&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=cc6e2d532a81cb1ae8afd327d46def7d&oe=6196272D

1000s of blacks slaughtered, many unarmed, non-threatening, by the murderous cops, and you RWNJs support murdering blacks.

and the jogger in Atlanta? Freddy Gray? Philando Castile? Sandra Bland?

you RWNJs get some balls and admit here that you hate blacks, want them back in Africa, or even dead.

Man up, stop hiding behind politically correct euphemistic BigLies like CRT

The judge is a shit stain on the entire judicial system that let's him spew his crackpot shit for decades.
:lol

Now do asians

[DMC]

DMC takes people literally to the point of absurdity and then calls any other reasonable interpretation a goalpost move
Funny how you can read RG's mind. He's not once said he doesn't mean it that way.

[DMC]

:lol half the forum making a career out of semen shielding for RG.

[spurraider21]

Funny how you can read RG's mind. He's not once said he doesn't mean it that way.
You u think his comment about everybody having guns included infants too?

[koriwhat]

Too bad he didn't get all 3 tbh. It's a damn shame!

[DMC]

Because it's a strawman to say what was said when that's not being suggested by anyone. If you change "everyone" to "some people", that's a completely different statement. You're defending the 1st, not the edited version.

Herein lies the common roadblock to discussion on this forum. I wasn't even referring to people ineligible to purchase or possess a firearm. I am referring to the fact that no one suggested everyone eligible to have a firearm would have a firearm. How many "poor choice of words" passes does he get? It was a strawman. If you change the wording to what you seem to be supporting, it doesn't even deserve stating. Some people with firearms... because there are some people with firearms now.

Now you're on a tangent about something I never even touched on.


You u think his comment about everybody having guns included infants too?

If you weren't so hard up for a "gotheem", you'd be able to keep up better.

[Isitjustme?]

They are well programmed for eugenics, killing babies in the womb and tossing the elderly out with the trash.

Which libs you talking about here...your Maddow lovin' parents or different ones?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1460276604756803590?s=20

The judge ruled that Kyle was legally armed. Some people were really wrong about nearly every thing they said about this case.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460304639409242115?s=20

"You lose the right to self defense when you are the one that brought the gun.":lol

[Spurs Homer]

Why was the fucking guy with a ar15 running AWAY from his first victim?

If im the prosecutor i would point out-
“the same people that howl that a cop used excessive force with an unarmed person and shot him- are now howling that this poor white child was terrified of losing a fistfight with an unarmed man so he HAD to shoot him FOUR TIMES!”


lol


laughably - jury will acquit

[Spurs Homer]

Drop that weapon and defend yourself with your fist


or at the very least- stop fucking running and order this dude to stop advancing or he dies

why was the pussy running away?

why do racists defend pussies like rittenhouse, trump, GOP pussies?

[SnakeBoy]

National Guard deployed in case there is a guilty verdict and repugs riot.

[hater]

National Guard deployed in case there is a guilty verdict and repugs riot.

Dear God I heard theyll be bringing zipties

[Nathan89]

Drop that weapon and defend yourself with your fist


or at the very least- stop fucking running and order this dude to stop advancing or he dies

why was the pussy running away?



Why would a 17yo drop his weapon to fist fight an adult with a history of molesting children?

He turned and pointed his gun at the person attacking and the person kept running towards him.

He was trying to avoid using his gun. Thanks for recognizing the extreme measures he took to avoid using his gun.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I think it's a good thing he gets off not guilty of all charges

Brings us one step closer to a black kid going blood ocean on richie maga kids :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

At what time does BLM start liberating all those oppressed Plasma TV's today?

[vy65]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460304639409242115?s=20

"You lose the right to self defense when you are the one that brought the gun.":lol

That's blackletter law you moron

[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/GTcZpc8.png

[Spurs Homer]

Why would a 17yo drop his weapon to fist fight an adult with a history of molesting children?

He turned and pointed his gun at the person attacking and the person kept running towards him.

He was trying to avoid using his gun. Thanks for recognizing the extreme measures he took to avoid using his gun.


because use of DEADLY FORCE demands it

he had many many options - BEFORE deadly force

use the weapon to smash the guys face who was approaching/chasing him
Fight the guy
Ordering the dude to stop or die


among other -LESS THAN DEADLY - options


even cops would get prosecuted if they just shot an unarmed man 4 times

without trying to apprehend the dude, using a taser, nightstick, pepper spray, etc


there are other less than lethal options BEFORE deadly force but this pussy just murdered the guy- end of story

[SnakeBoy]

because use of DEADLY FORCE demands it

he had many many options - BEFORE deadly force

use the weapon to smash the guys face who was approaching/chasing him
Fight the guy
Ordering the dude to stop or die


among other -LESS THAN DEADLY - options


What are some of the other options?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334711625207815?s=20

Pointing a gun at the jury with your finger on the trigger.:lol

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334971122589709?s=20

Good guy Kyle was just protecting his community.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

Asked by whom?

[ElNono]

Because it's a strawman to say what was said when that's not being suggested by anyone. If you change "everyone" to "some people", that's a completely different statement. You're defending the 1st, not the edited version.

The general advocacy of 2A supporters is that more armed people is better and guns are always the solution, not the problem (good guy with a gun, people kill people, etc), so I would say that the suggestion is pretty real.

I personally have no problem with the 2A, and I actually support it for self/family-protection, but I also think some degree of regulation is warranted as well (and that's where I part ways with the general advocacy).


Herein lies the common roadblock to discussion on this forum. I wasn't even referring to people ineligible to purchase or possess a firearm. I am referring to the fact that no one suggested everyone eligible to have a firearm would have a firearm. How many "poor choice of words" passes does he get? It was a strawman. If you change the wording to what you seem to be supporting, it doesn't even deserve stating. Some people with firearms... because there are some people with firearms now.

Hey, I'm discussing it. I'm not here to defend RG, he can do that himself. I'm just stating what I understood that comment to mean, which seemed pretty clear to me when I read it, and it goes to the general advocacy I mention above.


Now you're on a tangent about something I never even touched on.

Is it a tangent though? You brought up the analogy with driving, not me.

[Leetonidas]

:lol defending woman beaters as good guys

[ElNono]

That's blackletter law you moron

Take it easy on Nathan, tbh, he's very emotional about this stuff...

[Spurs Homer]

What are some of the other options?


He could have -

manned the fuck up and defended himself without even using his crutch


or else

stay the fuck out of an event where violent idiots were out and up to no good

but he thought he was a badass until he started running away like a little bitch

all is fair though - dumbshit got shot and is dead-
pussy got caught and should go to prison for decades

[Nathan89]

In the end he defended himself and quite effectively tbh

[DMC]

The general advocacy of 2A supporters is that more armed people is better and guns are always the solution, not the problem (good guy with a gun, people kill people, etc), so I would say that the suggestion is pretty real.

Another strawman, since that's the left's version of what 2A supporters believe. (amazing that the 2nd Amendment to Bill of Rights can be characterized as having "supporters" and non supporters. What other Amendment has that distinction?)

As a 2A supporter (along with 1A and the rest of the BoR), I don't want everyone to have a gun. I think everyone who's legally and constitutionally clear to own a firearm should have that choice. I also don't think guns are always the solution. I think they are rarely the solution.


I personally have no problem with the 2A, and I actually support it for self/family-protection, but I also think some degree of regulation is warranted as well (and that's where I part ways with the general advocacy).

So you're one of those 2A supporters you just mentioned above that thinks more armed people is better? Of course not, but then why did you separate yourself from your "general advocacy" statement above? General advocacy is what I stated. Only gun retailers think everyone should own a gun. The rest of us would prefer it was only us.


Hey, I'm discussing it. I'm not here to defend RG, he can do that himself. I'm just stating what I understood that comment to mean, which seemed pretty clear to me when I read it, and it goes to the general advocacy I mention above.

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out. (RG)
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense (RG didn't return lol)
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim (I think that's you this time, El. )
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it (right on cue tbh)
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim. (or we could be here, I cannot recall)
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Sorry to drop that here, but you started by saying RG's broad brush wasn't a strawman, and that "everyone" wasn't infants and convicts. I wasn't even considering that level of pedantry. Now you're saying you want to ignore RG's comment and talk instead about the analogy of a strawman.


Is it a tangent though? You brought up the analogy with driving, not me.
It was an analogy of using a strawman (see above).

[DMC]

I should have added at the end of that "Boutons drops 5 or 10 consecutive copypasta liberal rag occupy democrats articles, thread is dead.

[Spurs Homer]

FINALLY!

Prosecutor FINALLY making the correct argument;


DEADLY FORCE can ONLY be used when a reasonable person thinks he is in danger of IMMINENT DEATH OR BODILY HARM

not some unarmed midget chasing him

[DMC]

FINALLY!

Prosecutor FINALLY making the correct argument;


DEADLY FORCE can ONLY be used when a reasonable person thinks he is in danger of IMMINENT DEATH OR BODILY HARM

not some unarmed midget chasing him

Bodily harm is the kicker, you don't even need the "death" comment.

But you're one of those assholes who hope for results based outcomes, not justice. You need to add to the scoreboard.

[Spurs Homer]

Bodily harm is the kicker, you don't even need the "death" comment.

so your boy kyle did not have a legal reason to start unloading his mag

thanks!

[DMC]

so your boy kyle did not have a legal reason to start unloading his mag

thanks!

I think you're wrong, and it's obvious you're not concerned with the law here.

[BackHome]

Yeah pretty clear when that dude pointed his glock at his face he had the right to blow off his bicep

[DMC]

Yeah pretty clear when that dude pointed his glock at his face he had the right to blow off his bicep

He's referring to Rosenbaum a couple minutes earlier. They will have to rely on forensic evidence and expert testimony on the ballistics to determine the position of Rosenbaum when Rittenhouse discharged his firearm. I believe he was horizontal, or near horizontal indicating he was lunging toward Kyle. You cannot determine the extent of the bodily harm someone wants to inflict on you, but knowing you are armed and if you go down, perhaps they are now armed, that factors in just as it does with officers. Plus there was a mob.

[ElNono]

Another strawman, since that's the left's version of what 2A supporters believe. (amazing that the 2nd Amendment to Bill of Rights can be characterized as having "supporters" and non supporters. What other Amendment has that distinction?)

As a 2A supporter (along with 1A and the rest of the BoR), I don't want everyone to have a gun. I think everyone who's legally and constitutionally clear to own a firearm should have that choice. I also don't think guns are always the solution. I think they are rarely the solution.

Is it a strawman? Here, let me refer you to the NRA itself: https://www.nraila.org/why-gun-control-doesn-t-work/

Noticeably: Crime Goes Down When Good Guys Have Guns

More:
National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre announced (https://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167824766/nra-only-thing-that-stops-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun) during a press conference that “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

More:
The NRA store even sells T-shirts with LaPierre’s slogan, and encourages buyers to “show everyone that you’re the ‘good guy’” by buying the T-shirt (https://www.forbesashop.live/products/nra-mens-shirt-good-guy-with-a-gun-mens-shirt-front-and-back-print-734836544669).

You might be the outlier here, but the NRA has been front and center on the advocacy side of the 2A, including legal challenges as well, and that's certainly not the left's version of the 2A. It's interesting as well, because the NRA wasn't always like this, but I suspect that's what brings money into their coffers nowadays.


So you're one of those 2A supporters you just mentioned above that thinks more armed people is better? Of course not, but then why did you separate yourself from your "general advocacy" statement above? General advocacy is what I stated. Only gun retailers think everyone should own a gun. The rest of us would prefer it was only us.

I only speak for myself. The rest comes from looking at the field. Whenever the argument of regulating the 2A further in almost any way, shape or form comes up, the push back from entities like the NRA and similar is very clear and very public, even for basic things such as universal background checks.

When I talk about general advocacy, that's exactly the groups I'm referring to. I understand it doesn't apply uniformly to every 2A supporter or advocate, but it would be undeniable that a group like the NRA isn't front an center the voice of a lot of 2A advocates.


Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out. (RG)
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense (RG didn't return lol)
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim (I think that's you this time, El. )
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it (right on cue tbh)
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim. (or we could be here, I cannot recall)
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Sorry to drop that here, but you started by saying RG's broad brush wasn't a strawman, and that "everyone" wasn't infants and convicts. I wasn't even considering that level of pedantry. Now you're saying you want to ignore RG's comment and talk instead about the analogy of a strawman.

I understand your frustration, and nothing to be sorry about. I'm addressing things as they come, and I obviously engage because I think it's interesting and worth the discussion. Again, I'm not here to defend anybody, just to engage on things I think are interesting to discuss.


It was an analogy of using a strawman (see above).

I know you used it that way, I just didn't think the original was entirely a strawman (but that's what we're discussing, so this is moot).

[Blake]

Another strawman, since that's the left's version of what 2A supporters believe. (amazing that the 2nd Amendment to Bill of Rights can be characterized as having "supporters" and non supporters. What other Amendment has that distinction?)

As a 2A supporter (along with 1A and the rest of the BoR), I don't want everyone to have a gun. I think everyone who's legally and constitutionally clear to own a firearm should have that choice. I also don't think guns are always the solution. I think they are rarely the solution.

So you're one of those 2A supporters you just mentioned above that thinks more armed people is better? Of course not, but then why did you separate yourself from your "general advocacy" statement above? General advocacy is what I stated. Only gun retailers think everyone should own a gun. The rest of us would prefer it was only us.

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out. (RG)
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense (RG didn't return lol)
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim (I think that's you this time, El. )
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it (right on cue tbh)
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim. (or we could be here, I cannot recall)
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Sorry to drop that here, but you started by saying RG's broad brush wasn't a strawman, and that "everyone" wasn't infants and convicts. I wasn't even considering that level of pedantry. Now you're saying you want to ignore RG's comment and talk instead about the analogy of a strawman.

It was an analogy of using a strawman (see above).

DMC's message board observations

:lol

[DMC]

Is it a strawman? Here, let me refer you to the NRA itself: https://www.nraila.org/why-gun-control-doesn-t-work/

Noticeably: Crime Goes Down When Good Guys Have Guns

More:
National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre announced (https://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167824766/nra-only-thing-that-stops-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun) during a press conference that “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

More:
The NRA store even sells T-shirts with LaPierre’s slogan, and encourages buyers to “show everyone that you’re the ‘good guy’” by buying the T-shirt (https://www.forbesashop.live/products/nra-mens-shirt-good-guy-with-a-gun-mens-shirt-front-and-back-print-734836544669).

You might be the outlier here, but the NRA has been front and center on the advocacy side of the 2A, including legal challenges as well, and that's certainly not the left's version of the 2A. It's interesting as well, because the NRA wasn't always like this, but I suspect that's what brings money into their coffers nowadays.

But the NRA isn't the general advocacy population just as the ACLU isn't that for the 1A nor Planned Parenthood for Roe V Wade. These are just organizations that rely on these principles to stay afloat, and they advertise themselves as advocacy groups and at times they are. I'd guess the overwhelmingly large percentage of gun owners in the US are not members of the NRA nor part of any "group". They do, however, support the 2A since they don't want to give up their own guns. That doesn't mean they want you to own one though.

If all you know of gun owners is what the news tells you, it's no wonder you think the NRA is the bulk of 2A proponents in the US.

Also, crime goes down when good guys have guns could be true, but it doesn't say "all good guys have guns". It's not advocating for more gun ownership (although it would serve them well to have higher membership). Also, being legal doesn't make you a good guy. Most active shooters were legal at one time.
It doesn't make sense for a self defense advocate to want everyone else armed. It only makes sense to support their freedom to be armed if they so choose. Do you think an MMA fighter wants everyone to be a skilled as they are? Of course not. They probably support training and even encourage it.


I only speak for myself. The rest comes from looking at the field. Whenever the argument of regulating the 2A further in almost any way, shape or form comes up, the push back from entities like the NRA and similar is very clear and very public, even for basic things such as universal background checks.That's because the 2A is under constant attack. So is the 1A but it's more subtle and basically that's often frowned upon by everyone unless the speech goes against that person's beliefs. You can be against the 2A because you don't own a gun and don't want one.

As a life long gun owner, veteran and 2A supporter, I couldn't give 2 shits about the NRA and tbh I don't even know anyone who's a member. I see it like Ducks Unlimited, a club of people who want a card to say they belong to a club. You seem to have a very simplistic view of things, maybe that's how the news portrays it. They show a gun owner, call him a gun owner and he has to have a reflective orange hat, a pornstache, poor grammar and be uneducated. Then they switch to the NRA as if the NRA is basically the 2A. It's not.


When I talk about general advocacy, that's exactly the groups I'm referring to. I understand it doesn't apply uniformly to every 2A supporter or advocate, but it would be undeniable that a group like the NRA isn't front an center the voice of a lot of 2A advocates.

In the news.

72 million people report owning guns

NRA membership is around 5.5m

Nearly two-thirds of Americans say they believe the Constitution guarantees each person the right to own a gun, according to a poll released Sunday. (dated)

In all, 65 percent said they thought the Constitution ensures that right, and 31 percent said it did not. The question had a sampling error of plus-or-minus 3 points.

The 2A has a much larger support group than does the NRA and we didn't elect them as our representatives so why do you consider them to be?


I understand your frustration, and nothing to be sorry about. I'm addressing things as they come, and I obviously engage because I think it's interesting and worth the discussion. Again, I'm not here to defend anybody, just to engage on things I think are interesting to discuss.

The constant liberal arm locking here is normal. It doesn't bother me. I just patterned it, that's all.


I know you used it that way, I just didn't think the original was entirely a strawman (but that's what we're discussing, so this is moot).

The original was a strawman because, again, no one suggested everyone should own a gun. Kyle Rittenhouse having a gun doesn't equate to everyone having a gun, just as 700 buildings in and around the Floyd protests being burned to the ground didn't equate to cities burning down. It seemed clear to people then. Thus the liberal arm locking I referred to earlier. It used to be liberals had a difference of opinion. Now they just go along with the group.

[Nathan89]

FINALLY!

Prosecutor FINALLY making the correct argument;


DEADLY FORCE can ONLY be used when a reasonable person thinks he is in danger of IMMINENT DEATH OR BODILY HARM

not some unarmed midget chasing him

The child molester was short but likely had a significant strength advantage over his victim. Also he was making a move for the gun on his victim.

[SnakeBoy]

In the end he defended himself and quite effectively tbh

It was impressive to see how easily a little teenager can destroy an armed mob of libs

[SnakeBoy]

The child molester was short but likely had a significant strength advantage over his victim. Also he was making a move for the gun on his victim.

Yeah but Kyle could have stomped on the pedo's big toe and then made his escape.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1460334578288234500?s=20

He forgot about his attack on Kyle.

[Dirks_Finale]

It was impressive to see how easily a little teenager can destroy an armed mob of libs

It almost looked choreographed, like it was produced in Hollywood.

[Winehole23]

1460095822268350464

[DMC]

Seems there were a couple medics out there. Imagine calling yourself a medic, carrying a firearm and getting destroyed by a 17 year old in front of the entire world as you try to mob stomp him. :lol

[Winehole23]

that's some great community protecting, sons

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/GregoryMcKelvey/status/1460363150096621570?s=19

[CosmicCowboy]

So how do you think the jury will decide?

Sounds like the defense had the better facts.

[Nathan89]

If there are intelligent and courageous people on the jury the result is obvious.

If Kyle isn't found not guilty it's a dark day for self defense. It would show the true power of the mob and smearing media.

[ChumpDumper]

If there are intelligent and courageous people on the jury the result is obvious.

If Kyle isn't found not guilty it's a dark day for self defense. It would show the true power of the mob and smearing media.

Relax. He's a doughy white guy and he cried. No way he's convicted.

[Spurs Homer]

So how do you think the jury will decide?

Sounds like the defense had the better facts.


facts show he probably wont get convicted for the highest charges- intentional homicide,

but facts show he should get convicted on the reckless type charges…


but

REALITY

means he will probably get away with most of his crimes

this is amerikkka

[CosmicCowboy]

facts show he probably wont get convicted for the highest charges- intentional homicide,

but facts show he should get convicted on the reckless type charges…


but

REALITY

means he will probably get away with most of his crimes

this is amerikkka

If they decide it was self defense it pretty much negates all the other charges.

[benefactor]

If there are intelligent and courageous people on the jury the result is obvious.

If Kyle isn't found not guilty it's a dark day for self defense. It would show the true power of the mob and smearing media.
Fear not, he will be found innocent and your fragility will remain intact until you find the next thing to cry about

[SnakeBoy]

So how do you think the jury will decide?

Sounds like the defense had the better facts.

I followed the trial on the unbiased Legal Insurrection site. No doubt the prosecution presented a terrible case but you never know what a jury will do.

[Will Hunting]

I followed the trial on the unbiased Legal Insurrection site. No doubt the prosecution presented a terrible case but you never know what a jury will do.

The evidence here is so bad for the prosecution that any conviction by the jury gets overturned on appeal imo

[SnakeBoy]

The evidence here is so bad for the prosecution that any conviction by the jury gets overturned on appeal imo

I agree the evidence is bad but I'm shocked at how bad the prosecutors were. I mean to actually tell the jury "Everybody takes a beating sometimes" is just ridiculous.

[Will Hunting]

I agree the evidence is bad but I'm shocked at how bad the prosecutors were. I mean to actually tell the jury "Everybody takes a beating sometimes" is just ridiculous.
Yeah that's part of what I mean by the evidence is so bad.

The prosecution's witness prep was parody level bad. One of their own witnesses more or less said Rittenhouse was acting in self defense; another admitted to waiving a gun at Rittenhouse :lol

[Isitjustme?]

The evidence here is so bad for the prosecution that any conviction by the jury gets overturned on appeal imo

If I've watched my law & orders correctly as soon as the verdict is announced the defense could ask the judge to set aside the verdict to do like a motion to set aside the verdict and you know this judge guy would do it. After he was done cumming in his pants at the thought of being given that option/asked of course

[SnakeBoy]

1460655850121539592

[DMC]

Did the girl Kyle beat up testify against him?

[BD24]

Prosecution was OJ levels of bad during this case tbh. Talk about shitting your pants in the biggest trial of your career

[rjv]

Prosecution was OJ levels of bad during this case tbh. Talk about shitting your pants in the biggest trial of your career

the defense wasn't too impressive either but considering Wisconsin law as it pertains to this case, along with the burden of proof demanded from the prosecution, it bodes poorly for the state that the prosecutor was doing his best marcia clark impression.

[hater]

1460655850121539592

:lmao :lmao

Fuck


:lol

[Will Hunting]

If I've watched my law & orders correctly as soon as the verdict is announced the defense could ask the judge to set aside the verdict to do like a motion to set aside the verdict and you know this judge guy would do it. After he was done cumming in his pants at the thought of being given that option/asked of course
Kinda surprised it even went to a jury; was half expecting the judge to dismiss all the charges.

[elbamba1]

So how do you think the jury will decide?

Sounds like the defense had the better facts.

While I think the jury will not convict, I am hoping legislatures will take these actions into consideration and re-write laws that suspend self-defense when you take guns into protests. I am not sure how we get there, but to me, although the law is on his side, Riddenhouse should face some kind of penalty.

[Trill Clinton]

is it even a question. He's going to get off
https://i.imgur.com/auK8aWB.jpg

[Cuck Ross]

While I think the jury will not convict, I am hoping legislatures will take these actions into consideration and re-write laws that suspend self-defense when you take guns into protests. I am not sure how we get there, but to me, although the law is on his side, Riddenhouse should face some kind of penalty.

:lol “protest”

[Cuck Ross]

is it even a question. He's going to get off
https://i.imgur.com/auK8aWB.jpg

If it was a 17 year old black kid who was chased down and attacked by three black guys and he ended up killing two of the attackers and wounded the third attacker who came at him with a gun pointed at his head I’m sure you’d want the 17 year old to get off on a self defense claim.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460735255342690311?s=20

[Trill Clinton]

If it was a 17 year old black kid who was chased down and attacked by three black guys and he ended up killing two of the attackers and wounded the third attacker who came at him with a gun pointed at his head I’m sure you’d want the 17 year old to get off on a self defense claim.

I don't see color

[Cuck Ross]

I don't see color
So if you were on the jury of the 17 year old black kid you’d vote to convict of murder?

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460735255342690311?s=20

He's always got the best sauces

[Trill Clinton]

So if you were on the jury of the 17 year old black kid you’d vote to convict of murder?

Yes

[Trill Clinton]

Cuck Ross, I'd also like to see the mother be charged with child endangerment

[daboom1]

If it was a 17 year old black kid who was chased down and attacked by three black guys and he ended up killing two of the attackers and wounded the third attacker who came at him with a gun pointed at his head I’m sure you’d want the 17 year old to get off on a self defense claim.

That's a troll account.

[spurraider21]

Prosecution was OJ levels of bad during this case tbh. Talk about shitting your pants in the biggest trial of your career
:lmao implying that playing call of duty means he had an intent to kill a lot of people

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460735255342690311?s=20
they probably are too scared to convict because of backlash from white supremacist terrorists tbh

[Cuck Ross]

Yes
In this hypothetical situation where you were on the jury you would have actually seen all of the evidence and it’s clear from your answer you haven’t followed the actual case at all.

[Trill Clinton]

That's a troll account.

Where you at church participating in demonic activity with the other patriots?

[DMC]

While I think the jury will not convict, I am hoping legislatures will take these actions into consideration and re-write laws that suspend self-defense when you take guns into protests. I am not sure how we get there, but to me, although the law is on his side, Riddenhouse should face some kind of penalty.

It wasn't a protest. It was a riot. These people didn't give 2 shits about George Floyd.

[hater]

Cuck Ross, I'd also like to see the mother be charged with child endangerment

Youd never make a jury here. Maybe in Venezuela :lol

[hater]

they probably are too scared to convict because of backlash from white supremacist terrorists tbh

And the zipties :cry

[Trill Clinton]

Youd never make a jury here. Maybe in Venezuela :lol

Real niggas not allowed in jury's I guess

[hater]

Real niggas not allowed in jury's I guess

Agreed w.that. :tu

[Reck]

He's going to celebrate by shooting up some more

[DMC]

I don't see color


Real niggas not allowed in jury's I guess

[daboom1]

troll account

[Chucho]

If it was a 17 year old black kid who was chased down and attacked by three black guys and he ended up killing two of the attackers and wounded the third attacker who came at him with a gun pointed at his head I’m sure you’d want the 17 year old to get off on a self defense claim.

Well, if the attackers are black, it would get no burn on the MSM. It'd get swept under the rug like all the mass murders happening in the ghettos of Chicago on a near nightly basis.

[DMC]

Well, if the attackers are black, it would get no burn on the MSM. It'd get swept under the rug like all the mass murders happening in the ghettos of Chicago on a near nightly basis.

I noticed CNN had a small side article about the missing black girl but no follow up since. Of course Fox won't even mention it. Meanwhile Petito became a household name, poor little white girl dindunuffin.

[Cuck Ross]

I don’t see color.


is it even a question. He's going to get off
https://i.imgur.com/auK8aWB.jpg
:lol

[SnakeBoy]

is it even a question. He's going to get off
https://i.imgur.com/auK8aWB.jpg

Judge has a long history of asking murderers to stand behind him while he plays solitaire on his phone

[baseline bum]

:lmao implying that playing call of duty means he had an intent to kill a lot of people

JFC you can tell the prosecutor has never shot a rifle before. Oh yeah it's just like Call of Duty. I love turning on the aim assist when I'm trying to kill something with an AR-15.

[DMC]

JFC you can tell the prosecutor has never shot a rifle before. Oh yeah it's just like Call of Duty. I love turning on the aim assist when I'm trying to kill something with an AR-15.

Should have used the rubberized grip to reduce recoil and improve ADS speed.

[Isitjustme?]

That's a troll account.

This ur Twitter? Wondering you ever got back on after the bot like behavior warning they gave
youhttps://i.imgur.com/iQ7ysSj.jpg

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460819811169144833?t

uh oh

[ElNono]

But the NRA isn't the general advocacy population just as the ACLU isn't that for the 1A nor Planned Parenthood for Roe V Wade. These are just organizations that rely on these principles to stay afloat, and they advertise themselves as advocacy groups and at times they are. I'd guess the overwhelmingly large percentage of gun owners in the US are not members of the NRA nor part of any "group". They do, however, support the 2A since they don't want to give up their own guns. That doesn't mean they want you to own one though.

If all you know of gun owners is what the news tells you, it's no wonder you think the NRA is the bulk of 2A proponents in the US.

Also, crime goes down when good guys have guns could be true, but it doesn't say "all good guys have guns". It's not advocating for more gun ownership (although it would serve them well to have higher membership). Also, being legal doesn't make you a good guy. Most active shooters were legal at one time.
It doesn't make sense for a self defense advocate to want everyone else armed. It only makes sense to support their freedom to be armed if they so choose. Do you think an MMA fighter wants everyone to be a skilled as they are? Of course not. They probably support training and even encourage it.
That's because the 2A is under constant attack. So is the 1A but it's more subtle and basically that's often frowned upon by everyone unless the speech goes against that person's beliefs. You can be against the 2A because you don't own a gun and don't want one.

Sorry, but they are the face of the 2A advocates, and also put their money where their mouth is (via litigation, for example). And the ACLU is certainly an advocacy group for civil rights, which is somewhat comparable, though nowhere near in size and funding. On the other hand Planned Parenthood is nothing like that, as they provide a plethora of other services and abortions are actually a small part of the services they provide.

Pretending the NRA isn't the staunchest defender and most visible face of the 2A advocates is simply being in denial, IMO. They've changed and become much more extremist in their stance over the years as well. This is a group that once upon a time worked with FDR to pass the first set of gun regulation in this country.

About the whole good guy with a gun, we do have stats showing Clinton's assault rifle ban was actually effective in curbing gun crimes involving assault weapons, and those actually declined. They were somewhat offset by gun crimes with other weapons using high capacity ammo, which is why that's also an area that's been looked at for regulation.


As a life long gun owner, veteran and 2A supporter, I couldn't give 2 shits about the NRA and tbh I don't even know anyone who's a member. I see it like Ducks Unlimited, a club of people who want a card to say they belong to a club. You seem to have a very simplistic view of things, maybe that's how the news portrays it. They show a gun owner, call him a gun owner and he has to have a reflective orange hat, a pornstache, poor grammar and be uneducated. Then they switch to the NRA as if the NRA is basically the 2A. It's not.

Well, IMO, you're an outlier. I know plenty of card carrying members, who are obviously gun owners as well, like to go to the range often, just happen to be staunch republicans as well, etc. Not bad people either, some of them are friends.

Nothing simplistic about it, and I don't watch the MSM, so I don't know what portrayal I'm missing here... I'm talking about people that are trained, gun safe at home, and kick the habit here and there. I get it, you're not one of those guys, that's fine.


In the news.

72 million people report owning guns

NRA membership is around 5.5m

Nearly two-thirds of Americans say they believe the Constitution guarantees each person the right to own a gun, according to a poll released Sunday. (dated)

In all, 65 percent said they thought the Constitution ensures that right, and 31 percent said it did not. The question had a sampling error of plus-or-minus 3 points.

The 2A has a much larger support group than does the NRA and we didn't elect them as our representatives so why do you consider them to be?


Because they have the most influence when it comes to political/legal aspects of the 2A. They were, until very recently, the biggest lobby group in the entire United States. See: https://www.businessinsider.com/nra-power-lobbying-statistics-gun-control-2017-10

So when we talk about modest regulation of any kind of the 2A, that's essentially who you're going to run into and against.


The original was a strawman because, again, no one suggested everyone should own a gun. Kyle Rittenhouse having a gun doesn't equate to everyone having a gun, just as 700 buildings in and around the Floyd protests being burned to the ground didn't equate to cities burning down. It seemed clear to people then. Thus the liberal arm locking I referred to earlier. It used to be liberals had a difference of opinion. Now they just go along with the group.

Again, as I posted previously, there's advocacy to paint unfettered gun ownership as positive and desirable.

You can tell me I'm wrong, and that's a minority (and you could be correct), but it undeniably does exist, and that advocacy is, at the very least, misguided. That's what doesn't make the original statement a strawman.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460735255342690311?s=20


That's a troll account.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460819811169144833?t

uh oh


That's a troll account.

[Winehole23]

Leaving completely to one side leaking putative jury deliberations to the press, isn't it a crime to have contact with a deliberating jury if you're not like, the bailiff or the judge or something?

BTW, are there any US Marshals attached to the court in Kenosha, or did they (supposedly) come from somewhere else?

[elbamba1]

It wasn't a protest. It was a riot. These people didn't give 2 shits about George Floyd.

Whether it was a protest or a riot doesn't really change the facts. The business owner should be the person protecting his business and property through lawful means. A 17-year-old kid from out of state should not be allowed to bring an AR-15 into a riot zone under the guise of protecting property he does not own. Let me be clear, I am completely in favor of prosecuting rioters who destroy property and break the law. However, I believe we allow our police force to be responsible for holding rioters accountable, not children playing at being a medic or cop. While his actions were likely lawful, I am in favor of changing the laws.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Whether it was a protest or a riot doesn't really change the facts. The business owner should be the person protecting his business and property through lawful means. A 17-year-old kid from out of state should not be allowed to bring an AR-15 into a riot zone under the guise of protecting property he does not own. Let me be clear, I am completely in favor of prosecuting rioters who destroy property and break the law. However, I believe we allow our police force to be responsible for holding rioters accountable, not children playing at being a medic or cop. While his actions were likely lawful, I am in favor of changing the laws.
But yet the left wants to defund the police. No police + no vigilant justice = anarchy

[Will Hunting]

But yet the left wants to defund the police. No police + no vigilant justice = anarchy
:lol Cori Bush is literally the only Democrat in congress who wants to defund the police. It’s not a remotely mainstream idea on “the left”

[redzero]

Good lord, the prosecution is shady af.

[DMC]

Whether it was a protest or a riot doesn't really change the facts. The business owner should be the person protecting his business and property through lawful means. A 17-year-old kid from out of state should not be allowed to bring an AR-15 into a riot zone under the guise of protecting property he does not own. Let me be clear, I am completely in favor of prosecuting rioters who destroy property and break the law. However, I believe we allow our police force to be responsible for holding rioters accountable, not children playing at being a medic or cop. While his actions were likely lawful, I am in favor of changing the laws.

He was using lawful means when he asked civilians to protect his business using lawful means. The cops were not going to help.

[Chucho]

:lol Cori Bush is literally the only Democrat in congress who wants to defund the police. It’s not a remotely mainstream idea on “the left”

Nobody's that stupid to die on that hill after what happened and is happening in Seattle. Defund the police $25 million and there are magical budget deficits and the city is a fucking literal wasteland that is literally dying, but another one of those things swept under the rug.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Cori Bush is literally the only Democrat in congress who wants to defund the police. It’s not a remotely mainstream idea on “the left”
Omar
AOC
Pressley
Talib
Cori Bush
etc

[DMC]

Sorry, but they are the face of the 2A advocates, and also put their money where their mouth is (via litigation, for example). And the ACLU is certainly an advocacy group for civil rights, which is somewhat comparable, though nowhere near in size and funding. On the other hand Planned Parenthood is nothing like that, as they provide a plethora of other services and abortions are actually a small part of the services they provide.

Pretending the NRA isn't the staunchest defender and most visible face of the 2A advocates is simply being in denial, IMO. They've changed and become much more extremist in their stance over the years as well. This is a group that once upon a time worked with FDR to pass the first set of gun regulation in this country.

About the whole good guy with a gun, we do have stats showing Clinton's assault rifle ban was actually effective in curbing gun crimes involving assault weapons, and those actually declined. They were somewhat offset by gun crimes with other weapons using high capacity ammo, which is why that's also an area that's been looked at for regulation.



Well, IMO, you're an outlier. I know plenty of card carrying members, who are obviously gun owners as well, like to go to the range often, just happen to be staunch republicans as well, etc. Not bad people either, some of them are friends.

Nothing simplistic about it, and I don't watch the MSM, so I don't know what portrayal I'm missing here... I'm talking about people that are trained, gun safe at home, and kick the habit here and there. I get it, you're not one of those guys, that's fine.



Because they have the most influence when it comes to political/legal aspects of the 2A. They were, until very recently, the biggest lobby group in the entire United States. See: https://www.businessinsider.com/nra-power-lobbying-statistics-gun-control-2017-10

So when we talk about modest regulation of any kind of the 2A, that's essentially who you're going to run into and against.



Again, as I posted previously, there's advocacy to paint unfettered gun ownership as positive and desirable.

You can tell me I'm wrong, and that's a minority (and you could be correct), but it undeniably does exist, and that advocacy is, at the very least, misguided. That's what doesn't make the original statement a strawman.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/nra-left-gun-owners-me-behind-long-ago-any-trouble-ncna1000946

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/center/articles/2012/new-york-times-04-24-2012.html

https://www.chicagonow.com/politics-now/2017/10/i-own-a-gun-and-the-nra-doesnt-represent-me/


Especially this one

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/05/among-gun-owners-nra-members-have-a-unique-set-of-views-and-experiences/


Do you think hunters aren't pro 2A? They are. They just aren't militant about it and they often apply a modicum of common sense. You can be an advocate without being a zealot.

[spurraider21]

I know plenty of card carrying members, who are obviously gun owners as well, like to go to the range often, just happen to be staunch republicans as well, etc. Not bad people either.
...and some, i assume, are good people

[Will Hunting]

Omar
AOC
Pressley
Talib
Cori Bush
etc
When has AOC ever advocated for getting rid of police?

also you just named only 5 house reps. Specifically what you mean by “etc” or fold.

[Will Hunting]

Nobody's that stupid to die on that hill after what happened and is happening in Seattle. Defund the police $25 million and there are magical budget deficits and the city is a fucking literal wasteland that is literally dying, but another one of those things swept under the rug.
Cori Bush is stupid enough to defend it and does :lol

[Will Hunting]

Nobody's that stupid to die on that hill after what happened and is happening in Seattle. Defund the police $25 million and there are magical budget deficits and the city is a fucking literal wasteland that is literally dying, but another one of those things swept under the rug.
Cori Bush is stupid enough to defend it and does :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

When has AOC ever advocated for getting rid of police?

also you just named only 5 house reps. Specifically what you mean by “etc” or fold.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses/

(https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses/)
Cori Bush is stupid enough to defend it and does :lol
She'll never lose that deep dark blue district.

[Will Hunting]

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses/

(https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses/)
She'll never lose that deep dark blue district.
Equivocating over what the mantra defund the police means is an extremely stupid thing to do politically but it’s not remotely the same as wanting to literally get rid of the police the way Cori Bush does.

Glad you admit that “etc” wasn’t referring to anyone in particular.

Bush only won the primary in her district because the incumbent was a corrupt jackass who stopped taking his constituents seriously. I could see someone less dumb primarying her.

[Leetonidas]

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses/

(https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses/)
She'll never lose that deep dark blue district.

I just read that entire NY post article and nowhere did she say we should get rid of police:lol

[Trill Clinton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEaKALWXMAI0V4x?format=jpg&name=small

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461080843787591694?t
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1461097418779414531?t

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bush only won the primary in her district because the incumbent was a corrupt jackass who stopped taking his constituents seriously. I could see someone less dumb primarying her.
And Liz Cheney should be primaried too in deep red Wyoming, which has collectively about the same population as Cori Bush's shitty ghetto district, but either way if they are not primaried they will still win in a mega landslide. St Louis is such a shithole. I was driving back on the interstate there from Chicago to Texas taking that way one time (late 2019) and stopped at a BP station near downtown STL at around 1:30 a.m. because gasbuddy said it had the cheapest gas for another 100+ miles... almost a big mistake. As soon as I got out the car about to put my credit card in the gas pump there ..BOOM! Along came 4 white Mercedes/BMWs that all screeched to a halt there in the gas station parking lot, arriving there virtually at the exact same time. I only took a quick glance at noticing the hooded dark figures inside those cars before running back into my Corolla, turning the ignition as fast as possible and doing about 55 MPH out of there. (Speed limit was like 25-30 mph and the roads were full of potholes.)

those are the kind of fuckers that are the heart of your murder rich cities that anchor your democratic party, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

And Liz Cheney should be primaried too in deep red WyomingWhy?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Why?

https://files.worldwildlife.org/wwfcmsprod/images/White_Rhino/hero_small/3yuabfu3jq_white_rhino_42993643.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

https://files.worldwildlife.org/wwfcmsprod/images/White_Rhino/hero_small/3yuabfu3jq_white_rhino_42993643.jpgWhat specifically makes her a RINO?

[Cuck Ross]

1461133852106280965

[spurraider21]

What specifically makes her a RINO?
rino is any republican who doesnt pledge their undying loyalty to the trump dynasty

[hater]

1461133852106280965

IMO this doesnt mean much

I have many drones and seldom share or look at the raw files. Usually export them to more digestible formats.

This could be the same case. Usually a 1080p format is more than enough.

[Cuck Ross]

IMO this doesnt mean much

I have many drones and seldom share or look at the raw files. Usually export them to more digestible formats.

This could be the same case. Usually a 1080p format is more than enough.
State withholding and giving defense different footage pretty significant.

[ElNono]

State withholding and giving defense different footage pretty significant.

The jury saw the right video, that's ultimately all that matters.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/P4n8gW8/RDT-20211117-2244039185442654380273037.png

[Will Hunting]

And Liz Cheney should be primaried too in deep red Wyoming, which has collectively about the same population as Cori Bush's shitty ghetto district, but either way if they are not primaried they will still win in a mega landslide. St Louis is such a shithole. I was driving back on the interstate there from Chicago to Texas taking that way one time (late 2019) and stopped at a BP station near downtown STL at around 1:30 a.m. because gasbuddy said it had the cheapest gas for another 100+ miles... almost a big mistake. As soon as I got out the car about to put my credit card in the gas pump there ..BOOM! Along came 4 white Mercedes/BMWs that all screeched to a halt there in the gas station parking lot, arriving there virtually at the exact same time. I only took a quick glance at noticing the hooded dark figures inside those cars before running back into my Corolla, turning the ignition as fast as possible and doing about 55 MPH out of there. (Speed limit was like 25-30 mph and the roads were full of potholes.)

those are the kind of fuckers that are the heart of your murder rich cities that anchor your democratic party, tbh.
Wyoming population: 576,851
MO-01 population: 727,772

Do you ever get tired of making stuff up?

[Will Hunting]

https://files.worldwildlife.org/wwfcmsprod/images/White_Rhino/hero_small/3yuabfu3jq_white_rhino_42993643.jpg
She's a staunchly conservative Republican who hates Trump. On policy she's as right wing as it gets. Anyone calling her a RINO is hopelessly loyal to Trump.

[Will Hunting]

I was driving back on the interstate there from Chicago to Texas taking that way one time (late 2019) and stopped at a BP station near downtown STL at around 1:30 a.m. because gasbuddy said it had the cheapest gas for another 100+ miles... almost a big mistake. As soon as I got out the car about to put my credit card in the gas pump there ..BOOM! Along came 4 white Mercedes/BMWs that all screeched to a halt there in the gas station parking lot, arriving there virtually at the exact same time. I only took a quick glance at noticing the hooded dark figures inside those cars before running back into my Corolla, turning the ignition as fast as possible and doing about 55 MPH out of there. (Speed limit was like 25-30 mph and the roads were full of potholes.)
Me when I lie.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wyoming population: 576,851
MO-01 population: 727,772

Do you ever get tired of making stuff up?
That actually furthers my point, not disproves it. It was an educated guess, and it's funny that Wyoming has less people in that whole big box state than just St Louis


She's a staunchly conservative Republican who hates Trump. On policy she's as right wing as it gets. Anyone calling her a RINO is hopelessly loyal to Trump.

She's a Dick Cheney "conservative republican"... Cheney, he who shot a guy on a hunting "accident" and was responsible for the second great wave in gas price hikes (we're currently going through the third great wave this year) from 2005-2008 that was 100% Cheney and Halliburton meddling but the Bush administration blamed it on hurricanes Katrina and Rita. That kind of war hawking, pro inflation "republican" is not who we want. It's not about being loyal to Trump or anyone else. Trump did a better job in 4 years than Bush did in eight. Bush got us into 2 endless wars that we both ultimately lost to jihadis, and caused massive inflation especially at the pump in his second term.


Me when I lie.
100% truth. The area between the Busch stadium where the St Louis Cardinals play, and the gateway arch is as sketchy as it gets in the USA, rivaling South Chiraq. You make one wrong turn and you're in project central. Even getting to the arch you're driving past rickety brick apartments terrorized by graffiti all over the place. I took my selfie with the arch and booked it back onto the interstate.

[Trainwreck2100]

State withholding and giving defense different footage pretty significant.

It's really funny that this is the new right wing bitch fit when the state has been providing defense attorneys with the bare minimum for decades.

[ChumpDumper]

She's a Dick Cheney "conservative republican"... Cheney, he who shot a guy on a hunting "accident" and was responsible for the second great wave in gas price hikes (we're currently going through the third great wave this year) from 2005-2008 that was 100% Cheney and Halliburton meddling but the Bush administration blamed it on hurricanes Katrina and Rita. That kind of war hawking, pro inflation "republican" is not who we want. It's not about being loyal to Trump or anyone else. Trump did a better job in 4 years than Bush did in eight. Bush got us into 2 endless wars that we both ultimately lost to jihadis, and caused massive inflation especially at the pump in his second term.I asked about Liz Cheney.

What specifically about her makes her a RINO?

[Cuck Ross]

It's really funny that this is the new right wing bitch fit when the state has been providing defense attorneys with the bare minimum for decades.
https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-5000-issues-related-trials-and-other-court-proceedings
spurraider21 has it been common practice for decades for prosecutors to break the law and hide exculpatory evidence from the defense?

[Cuck Ross]

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1461385982012530693

enemy of the people

https://twitter.com/oaktreeupheaval/status/1461386469927534600

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSA drank Trump's Kool-Aid.

[spurraider21]

https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-5000-issues-related-trials-and-other-court-proceedings
spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) has it been common practice for decades for prosecutors to break the law and hide exculpatory evidence from the defense?
i imagine most defense attorneys would say so :lol

the concept of prosecutorial misconduct didnt begin in 2016

but fuck if i know how common it has been for decades. ive been practicing for about 4 years, and only 1 criminal matter

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1461385982012530693

enemy of the people

https://twitter.com/oaktreeupheaval/status/1461386469927534600

mockingbird media got banned :lol (love to see it)

[Millennial_Messiah]

I asked about Liz Cheney.

What specifically about her makes her a RINO?

she votes with the Dems on important bills and issues.

[ChumpDumper]

she votes with the Dems on important bills and issues.Which ones?

[CosmicCowboy]

I like Liz. Having the balls to stand up to Trump doesn't make her a RINO.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1461394733448581121?t

Tell me this bitch isn't a Chinese spy :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

I like Liz. Having the balls to stand up to Trump doesn't make her a RINO.

No, it just makes her stupid and aligns her with the elitist turds on both sides.

Take the Youngkin approach with Trump if you are on the right and want to remain in office.

[Thanos]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1461394733448581121?t

Tell me this bitch isn't a Chinese spy :lol
:lmao

Trumptards: *harasses & bullies a girl on social media until she deletes her account*

Also Trumptards: “Why would China do this?”

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Who-Killed-Hannibal.jpg

[spurraider21]

:lmao jury indication

[Will Hunting]

No, it just makes her stupid and aligns her with the elitist turds on both sides.

Take the Youngkin approach with Trump if you are on the right and want to remain in office.
:lol Standing up to the New York billionaire LARPing as a populist makes her an elitist turd?

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1461394733448581121?t

Tell me this bitch isn't a Chinese spy :lolSince that's a Korean name, I'd say it with a fair amount of confidence.

Also, why do you think a Chinese spy would use basic cable job cover to allegedly follow some jurors in a local trial, Qhris?

[CosmicCowboy]

If they can't agree after three days it's pretty clear another day won't matter.

[SnakeBoy]

While we wait

Everbody takes a beating sometimes, right?

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[ChumpDumper]

A hung jury would actually be a good thing for the prosecution at this point. Best to start all over if they have any chance of convicting -- which they don't.

[koriwhat]

While we wait

Everbody takes a beating sometimes, right?

1461311640993939458

Good ol' NFL'ers kneeling for our flag and beating on their women. Smdh

[spurraider21]

barring MSNBC from the courtroom is probably a first amendment issue, though if its true that the person was actually working at their direction and was tailing a jury bus, they should be fired

[koriwhat]

barring MSNBC from the courtroom is probably a first amendment issue, though if its true that the person was actually working at their direction and was tailing a jury bus, they should be fired

Lol "Fired"... They, the "journalist" and MSNBC itself, should be tried for witness intimidation! Stop being a pansy lawyer already and grow some fucking balls bro.

[spurraider21]

Lol "Fired"... They, the "journalist" and MSNBC itself, should be tried for witness intimidation! Stop being a pansy lawyer already and grow some fucking balls bro.
:lol if you thought the case against rittenhouse is weak...

[FrostKing]

While we wait

Everbody takes a beating sometimes, right?

1461311640993939458
Interesting to see which news outlets are reporting and which are avoiding

Guy is on the run. Publicity could help solve the case.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol "Fired"... They, the "journalist" and MSNBC itself, should be tried for witness intimidation! Stop being a pansy lawyer already and grow some fucking balls bro.Jurors are not witnesses.

[spurraider21]

Jurors are not witnesses.
only a weak male would make such a mistake

[koriwhat]

CumDumpster why don't you console BlaKKKe instead of wasting your time bugging the fuck out of me? You can be everything she wasn't for BlaKKKe. :tu

I literally don't read either of yalls bullshit because you both are nothing but a couple of bitch ass "males" and I don't respect dudes like yall whatsoever.

[ChumpDumper]

CumDumpster why don't you console BlaKKKe instead of wasting your time bugging the fuck out of me? You can be everything she wasn't for BlaKKKe. :tu

I literally don't read either of yalls bullshit because you both are nothing but a couple of bitch ass "males" and I don't respect dudes like yall whatsoever.What a weak man, calf-tatty response.

[koriwhat]

only a weak male would make such a mistake

Explain away then Mr Lawyer...

If this is geared towards myself I never conflated witnesses with jurors so wtf are you even talking about?

[koriwhat]

You continue to bug me so I'll just continue to talk shit about you and your obese whale of a wife CumDumpster. Must suck having to sleep next to that smelly pile of shit nightly huh?

[spurraider21]

Explain away then Mr Lawyer...

If this is geared towards myself I never conflated witnesses with jurors so wtf are you even talking about?
here's my explanation

following jurors on a bus is not witness intimidation

[ChumpDumper]

You continue to bug me so I'll just continue to talk shit about you and your obese whale of a wife CumDumpster. Must suck having to sleep next to that smelly pile of shit nightly huh?How do you think you know anything about me?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1461534489822248965?s=20

[Nathan89]

Once cult left decides to target you for being white and not being in their cult you are not going to get a fair trial.

[ChumpDumper]

Nathan really worked up over this guy.

[daboom1]

LAW OF SELF DEFENSE - Rittenhouse VERDICT WATCH: Suspect A Rogue Juror, #54, Foreperson, Is Holding Back Acquittal

“If the jurors cannot reach unanimous decisions on one or more of the counts against Mr Rittenhouse, Judge Schroeder can declare a mistrial.”

[ChumpDumper]

LAW OF SELF DEFENSE - Rittenhouse VERDICT WATCH: Suspect A Rogue Juror, #54, Foreperson, Is Holding Back Acquittal

“If the jurors cannot reach unanimous decisions on one or more of the counts against Mr Rittenhouse, Judge Schroeder can declare a mistrial.”

You just committed jury indication!

[benefactor]

Is this shit over with yet?

[hater]

Is this shit over with yet?

It really never started just a clown show for the plebes

[redzero]

Even if one believes that this wasn't a case of self-defense (I don't know how that's possible, but whatever), how can they say, with a straight face, that the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt? Their own witnesses contradicted their narrative against Rittenhouse. Their case hinges on a blurry video.

Who is holding out and why? It makes no sense.

[Texas_Ranger]

not guilty.

[ChumpDumper]

No surprises.

[SnakeBoy]

Justice

[redzero]

F.u.c.k. the Kenosha DA's office and the media who spread lies about Rittenhouse.

[GAustex]

Justice

[CosmicCowboy]

Let the riots begin!

[Texas_Ranger]

now give him the gun and let him shoot some more pedos that will come do peaceful protests in Kenosha.

[daboom1]

not guilty.


Justice

:tu

[Dirks_Finale]

What time does BLM start liberating all those oppressed plasma TV's? Need to set the DVR.

[ChumpDumper]

:tuAre you going to turn yourself in for jury indication?

[spurraider21]

i thought the attempt murder had the best chance of sticking before the trial, but the victim's own testimony made a good case for self defense. the prosecutors were incompetent imo, if this was the evidence they had, it never should have gone to trial

[redzero]

i thought the attempt murder had the best chance of sticking before the trial, but the victim's own testimony made a good case for self defense. the prosecutors were incompetent imo, if this was the evidence they had, it never should have gone to trial

What victim? Kyle?

[Texas_Ranger]

i thought the attempt murder had the best chance of sticking before the trial, but the victim's own testimony made a good case for self defense. the prosecutors were incompetent imo, if this was the evidence they had, it never should have gone to trial

the video made it clear as day it was self defense. The fact that they needed 4 days to come to an easy decision just shows you how much the media influenced this case. The defensive team was also pretty bad during the case, so i am actually surprised he got found not guilty.

now, I will wait and see what LeBron and his educated mind will have to say about this.

[spurraider21]

What victim? Kyle?
the guy who got shot in the arm

[pgardn]

End of story. The not guilty decision is proper.

I hope the narrative is not :

17 yo self appointed good guys should drive to places around the country with guns to help police with riots.

Seems the red team thinks this absolves him of the idiotic decision to get himself caught in a very stupid deadly situation.
Unless, you like to have a better chance at shooting people and going to trial.

[ChumpDumper]

There was never any chance he would be convicted of anything. White man's fear is an impossible hurdle to overcome now as always.

[ChumpDumper]

now, I will wait and see what LeBron and his educated mind will have to say about this.Why do you care what he thinks?

[spurraider21]

the video made it clear as day it was self defense. The fact that they needed 4 days to come to an easy decision just shows you how much the media influenced this case. The defensive team was also pretty bad during the case, so i am actually surprised he got found not guilty.

now, I will wait and see what LeBron and his educated mind will have to say about this.
i thought the video on the attempt murder was unclear.

it was clear the guy who was shot had a handgun and ran up to rittenhouse, and if kyle shot him right then, i would have given him even more benefit of the doubt. but instead he aimed his rifle at the guy, who put his hands up. it then looked like the guy tried running and from the angle of the footage i thought it looked like he was running toward the sidewalk, and not at kyle. and then kyle shot him. so just from that footage, it looked like kyle paused, recognized the guy surrendered to him, and then shot him anyway.... which looked bad

but the victim's testimony basically said that he was in fact approaching kyle after his "surrender". if the prosecutors ever spoke with him pre-trial, they'd have known what his testimony would be

[SnakeBoy]

i thought the attempt murder had the best chance of sticking before the trial, but the victim's own testimony made a good case for self defense. the prosecutors were incompetent imo, if this was the evidence they had, it never should have gone to trial

Why did the Judge dismiss the charges with prejudice after the verdict? Is that routine after a not guilty verdict or was he ruling on the defense motion to dismiss with prejudice?

[SnakeBoy]

1461761316415324169

[redzero]

the guy who got shot in the arm

Not a victim.

[SnakeBoy]

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[ChumpDumper]

1461761316415324169Who is Conor Mitchell and why do you follow him?

[SnakeBoy]

1461760994682839042

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[ChumpDumper]

1461760695213690895Who is Paul West and why do you follow him?

[SnakeBoy]

1461763183262068738

[ChumpDumper]

Big day for SnakeBoi.

[pgardn]

1461760994682839042

1461762121583181830

You have got to be kidding?

There are people who think this verdict was improper?
I would have never thought people on twitter would do this.
How did you find this Snake? Its like one would never expect this, but you somehow found these influential takes?

Thanks for the breaking news find. TSA level effort im guessing...

[Trill Clinton]

no surprise.

now we can see the conservatives pretend to care about looting again lol

[Leetonidas]

Is anyone actually surprised by the ruling? 100% expected this tbh

[BackHome]

No shit it’s clear cut it should not have even gone to jury

[Winehole23]

No shit it’s clear cut it should not have even gone to juryJudge thought otherwise

[BackHome]

There was never any chance he would be convicted of anything. White man's fear is an impossible hurdle to overcome now as always.

Oh Dumper stop being so dramatic the Sky Is Not Falling.

[FrostKing]

There was never any chance he would be convicted of anything. White man's fear is an impossible hurdle to overcome now as always.
Time to mature like I have and move past the divisive skin color narrative, buddy.

[SnakeBoy]

How did you find this Snake? I

You know this one

[SnakeBoy]

1461761269757886465
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[spurraider21]

Why did the Judge dismiss the charges with prejudice after the verdict? Is that routine after a not guilty verdict or was he ruling on the defense motion to dismiss with prejudice?
pretty sure thats routine. would be double jeopardy otherwise

[spurraider21]

Not a victim.
he's definitely a victim of a shooting. not a victim of crime though

[daboom1]

Time to mature like I have and move past the divisive skin color narrative, buddy.

:tu

[Cuck Ross]

Is anyone actually surprised by the ruling? 100% expected this tbh

Plenty of people who only watched MSM coverage before the trial are shocked.

The Media's Verdict on Kyle Rittenhouse
Here is what I thought was true about Kyle Rittenhouse during the last days of August 2020 based on mainstream media accounts: The 17-year-old was a racist vigilante. I thought he drove across state lines, to Kenosha, Wisc., with an illegally acquired semi-automatic rifle to a town to which he had no connection. I thought he went there because he knew there were Black Lives Matter protests and he wanted to start a fight. And I thought that by the end of the evening of August 25, 2020, he had done just that, killing two peaceful protestors and injuring a third.


It turns out that account was mostly wrong.


Unless you’re a regular reader of independent reporting — Jacob Siegel of Tablet Magazine (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/trump-republican-convention-2020#Loomer) and Jesse Singal (https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/here-are-my-contemporaneous-articles) stand out for being ahead of the pack (and pilloried, like clockwork, for not going along with the herd) — you would have been served a pack of lies about what happened during those terrible days in Kenosha. And you would have been shocked over the past two weeks as the trial unfolded in Wisconsin as every core claim was undermined by the evidence of what actually happened that night.
This wasn’t a disinformation campaign waged by Reddit trolls or anonymous Twitter accounts. It was one pushed by the mainstream media and sitting members of Congress for the sake of an expedient political narrative—a narrative that asked people to believe, among other unrealities, that blocks of burning buildings somehow constituted peaceful protests.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-medias-verdict-on-kyle-rittenhouse