Would you even take the vaccine if it comes out before December?

[DMX7]

Will the anti-vaxers take is? Will you?

[SnakeBoy]

Not an anti vaxxer but I'm not planning on getting it until we have good data which isn't going to be this year.

Might think differently if I hadn't already had the covids

[Winehole23]

Will the anti-vaxers take is? Will you?If Fauci says go for it, I'll have to consider it.

[DMX7]

Not an anti vaxxer but I'm not planning on getting it until we have good data which isn't going to be this year.

Might think differently if I hadn't already had the covids

you got it? How had was it?

[Reck]

Highly likely not.

For a while anyway. If they come out with a Vaccine a week before the election you can pretty much assume it’s a placebo.

[Dirks_Finale]

Not an anti vaxxer but I'm not planning on getting it until we have good data which isn't going to be this year.

Might think differently if I hadn't already had the covids

This.

Got sick last winter with pretty much all the classic COVID symptoms. So either have already had it or had something that mimicked it perfectly.

I need to see some data. Not a believer in warp speed vaccines, tbh.

[Death In June]

Its hard to fuck up a vaccine in terms of safety.

[Winehole23]

Its hard to fuck up a vaccine in terms of safety.in b4 CDC good now. used to be top top.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

[SnakeBoy]

you got it? How had was it?

Kicked my ass a bit. Luckily no respiratory symptoms just the gastro version.

[ElNono]

Only if it comes with a microchip and signed by Bill Gates

[Ef-man]

Only if it comes with a microchip and signed by Bill Gates

:tu

Bill autographed mine.

As I have said before, you will never be lost with that chip!

[Trainwreck2100]

not without phase 3, like what they might do with the oxford vaccine

[Millennial_Messiah]

Not an anti-vaxxer (when it comes to tried and true vaccines like measles, polio, tetanus, meningococcus, etc), but always skeptical of early-bird pandemic vaccines, especially the annual pandemic flu shot which seems to cover the last 3 years worth of pandemic flu's but offers no protection against the current year's.

For example in the winter of 2013-2014 I got the flu shot which covered the 2010-2013 winters worth of pandemic human influenza but then I caught the 2013-14 pandemic flu and was sick and coughing for almost all of February 2014 (second semester but classified as a sophomore in college, last out of two semesters in the dorms).

Never another flu shot in my life after that experience.

[TDMVPDPOY]

what happens if its the russians/chinese that has the vaccine that works compared to the other researchers...u going to take it?

[weebo]

Just inject clorox bleach...you ll be fine

[pgardn]

Roger that, give me your best shot
got my flu quadrivalent
can’t wait to get old enough to get my double shot of shingles vaccine

I will however avoid shining UV light down into my lungs as hinted at my some.
I expect a good sunburn to the inside of the lungs to be dangerous, call me crazy if you must

[MultiTroll]

The Trump Reelect Me Vaccine? No way.

Chinks and Russians info? Unreliable.

If we hear from Fauci and other solid sources and Phase 3 has been completed I'll shoot it.

[Spurtacular]

If Democrat governors and mayors are mandating taking a vaccine, chumpettes will be taking it. :tu

[koriwhat]

fuck a vaccine!

[koriwhat]

Just inject clorox bleach...you ll be fine

or claim to be hard on the internet while actually being a huge pussy... right ya huge pussy?

[Ef-man]

^^^^

Kori, stop looking at the mirror, it sets you off

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

after full clinical trials and rosy reviews.

[DMC]

I'll only take it if it's in a suppository form with Donald Trumps face on it.

[Pelicans78]

I’ll take it if Roger Stone takes it.

[boutons_deux]

Dec is for guinea pigs, that's pre-beta-test.

Trash has trashed the trustworthiness of FDA/CDC,

and of course, predatory BigPharma and its investors do not care about maiming and killing 1000s as they been doing for decades, paying $10Bs of fines but still in business making $10Bs with drugs financed by taxpayers.

[rmt]

LOL at this thread. I wonder what RG - the great believer in vaccines - thinks. Are we bad people if we don't take the vaccine? :-)

[SpursforSix]

Dec is for guinea pigs, that's pre-beta-test.

Trash has trashed the trustworthiness of FDA/CDC,

and of course, predatory BigPharma and its investors do not care about maiming and killing 1000s as they been doing for decades, paying $10Bs of fines but still in business making $10Bs with drugs financed by taxpayers.

LOL...what??? I'm pretty sure you've been questioning their trustworthiness for at least three presidential terms.

[SpursforSix]

LOL at this thread. I wonder what RG - the great believer in vaccines - thinks. Are we bad people if we don't take the vaccine? :-)

You'll know his position after he starts three or four threads about it.

[SnakeBoy]

can’t wait to get old enough to get my double shot of shingles vaccine


That one can be a bitch. You'll probably feel like you have the flu for 24-72 hours afterwards. Get it on a Friday or plan on calling in sick.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Democrat governors and mayors are mandating taking a vaccine, chumpettes will be taking it. :tu

If scientists and experts say it's okay then Chumpettes will take it in a heartbeat.

[Death In June]

in b4 CDC good now. used to be top top.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlBroken glass and microbial contamination. More of a good manufacturing process issue than the vaccine itself.

[DarrinS]

Already have immunity, so I don't care.

[ChumpDumper]

Definitely cares enough to post about having immunity.

[Reck]

Already have immunity, so I don't care.

You’re a sponge at this point in your life.

[ElNono]

Already have immunity, so I don't care.

Karrin with the muh zip code goods, etc

[Ef-man]

If you travel overseas, I foresee that the vaccine will be a requirement. Why? This is US, covid capital of world.

TGY and derp rarely leave their basements so it will be non-issue for them.

[DarrinS]

Definitely cares enough to post about having immunity.


You’re a sponge at this point in your life.


Karrin with the muh zip code goods, etc

Thircle the wagonthz guythz. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Thircle the wagonthz guythz. :lol:lmao Karrin has me on "ignore"
:lmao mid 80s lisp smack

[ElNono]

If you travel overseas, I foresee that the vaccine will be a requirement.

Why would you want to leave Baltimore though?

[Ef-man]

Why would you want to leave Baltimore though?

I hear that they have better cans of soup in Europe and BillGates wants to see if he can track me there too.

[Bogie]

LOL at this thread. I wonder what RG - the great believer in vaccines - thinks. Are we bad people if we don't take the vaccine? :-)


it is mind boggling how stupid you must be

ripley’s even said no way

[pgardn]

That one can be a bitch. You'll probably feel like you have the flu for 24-72 hours afterwards. Get it on a Friday or plan on calling in sick.


is that like 50 or 60 years old?

again I know people who’ve had shingles, I don’t know what the flu is like I’ll take that over shingles. One guy now got it in college and he felt like his skin was going to burn off , he missed an entire semester

[koriwhat]

easy answer... fuck no.

[weebo]

easy answer... fuck no.

but if trump said the cure was in his dick you'd be the first one on your knees :lol

[DarrinS]

is that like 50 or 60 years old?

again I know people who’ve had shingles, I don’t know what the flu is like I’ll take that over shingles. One guy now got it in college and he felt like his skin was going to burn off , he missed an entire semester

That shit's no joke

[SnakeBoy]

is that like 50 or 60 years old?

again I know people who’ve had shingles, I don’t know what the flu is like I’ll take that over shingles. One guy now got it in college and he felt like his skin was going to burn off , he missed an entire semester

They recommend you get it a 50. I got it 2 years ago and had low fever and muscle soreness for a day, just generally feeling like your about to get really sick but it's just the immune response triggered. Definitely better than getting shingles, that shit is awful. 97% effective vaccine if you get both shots, only around 80% effective if you just get one.

[DMC]

but if trump said the cure was in his dick you'd be the first one on your knees :lol

The tussin

[rmt]

Probably not - I suggest getting vitamin D level to 75.

OT: For those of you (or if you have a loved one) with autoimmune issues (MS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc), I suggest (again not medical advice) you research HIGH dose vitamin D3 (with K2) or Coimbra Protocol - (Tiago Henriques) - fascinating stuff. If true, would put a HUGE dent in Big Pharma.

[ElNono]

Probably not - I suggest getting vitamin D level to 75.

OT: For those of you (or if you have a loved one) with autoimmune issues (MS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc), I suggest (again not medical advice) you research HIGH dose vitamin D3 (with K2) or Coimbra Protocol - (Tiago Henriques) - fascinating stuff. If true, would put a HUGE dent in Big Pharma.

smh

[Spurtacular]

If Democrat governors and mayors are mandating taking a vaccine, chumpettes will be taking it. :tu

[ElNono]

doesn't need to be mandated as far as I'm concerned... like I said, as long as it comes with a microchip and Bill Gates autograph, I'm onboard, tbh...

[DarrinS]

Just take 2000 IU of vitamin D per day and low-dose aspirin

[DarrinS]

Just take 2000 IU of vitamin D per day and low-dose aspirin

No one is shouting this from the rooftops, as there's not much profit

[ElNono]

Just take 2000 IU of vitamin D per day and low-dose aspirin

damn, we could've saved 180k Americans...

[ElNono]

No one is shouting this from the rooftops, as there's not much profit

what's the conspiracy theory here?

[baseline bum]

what's the conspiracy theory here?

Probably saw it on Dr Oz

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao fucking ST medical degrees

[rmt]

smh

If one has one of these serious issues, one is DESPERATE and would probably be willing to try. Only anecdotes - not random, double blinded whatever - but who has interest in really testing something as cheap as vitamin D - there is no money in it. Seems like all the studies done are far too low or not long enough or (high dose) couple times a week instead of daily.

Anyway, there is widespread vitamin D deficiency - even here in sunny Florida.

[DarrinS]

If one has one of these serious issues, one is DESPERATE and would probably be willing to try. Only anecdotes - not random, double blinded whatever - but who has interest in really testing something as cheap as vitamin D - there is no money in it. Seems like all the studies done are far too low or not long enough or (high dose) couple times a week instead of daily.

Anyway, there is widespread vitamin D deficiency - even here in sunny Florida.


No one seems to care. Such an inexpensive way to avoid severe covid-19 symptoms. Oh well.

[DarrinS]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764?via%3Dihub

[rmt]

No one seems to care. Such an inexpensive way to avoid severe covid-19 symptoms. Oh well.

I agree with you - I'd even up it to 5000IU during this time. And the low dose aspirin in case of covid clotting.

[ElNono]

If one has one of these serious issues, one is DESPERATE and would probably be willing to try. Only anecdotes - not random, double blinded whatever - but who has interest in really testing something as cheap as vitamin D - there is no money in it. Seems like all the studies done are far too low or not long enough or (high dose) couple times a week instead of daily.

Anyway, there is widespread vitamin D deficiency - even here in sunny Florida.

This is sorta-hilarious because your anti-vaxxer position comes directly from anecdote, tbh...

[DarrinS]

I agree with you - I'd even up it to 5000IU during this time. And the low dose aspirin in case of covid clotting.


If I had dark skin, I'd definitely take higher doses. It's also dirt cheap, as is the aspirin.

[DarrinS]

This is sorta-hilarious because your anti-vaxxer position comes directly from anecdote, tbh...

I'm not anti-vax. I have no need to take one for covid, but I would. I'm more worried about shingles, tbh.

[DarrinS]

Just take 2000 IU of vitamin D per day and low-dose aspirin

Seriously, why would you NOT be on this simple regimen?

[rmt]

This is sorta-hilarious because your anti-vaxxer position comes directly from anecdote, tbh...

Are you referring to me or DarrinS?

[ElNono]

No one seems to care. Such an inexpensive way to avoid severe covid-19 symptoms. Oh well.

Because it's actually not proven as an effective treatment to Covid?


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764?via%3Dihub

That paper doesn't say what you claim above...

[ElNono]

Are you referring to me or DarrinS?

You. IIRC, you claimed one of your kids having a adverse reaction to a vaccine?

[ElNono]

I'm not anti-vax. I have no need to take one for covid, but I would. I'm more worried about shingles, tbh.

I was talking about rmt.

[ElNono]

There's a reason Calcifediol is a prescription-only medicine, and it's not your over the counter D vitamin.

[DarrinS]

I was talking about rmt.

I know :tu

[rmt]

You. IIRC, you claimed one of your kids having a adverse reaction to a vaccine?

Allergies. I don't know why you think I'm anti-vax - I think one should be given a CHOICE whether to be vaccinated or not. If you saw your kid almost die in front of you, you'd never give him another vaccine either. The rest of my family is completely up to date with traditional vaccines (for school) but we do not take flu, others.

[DarrinS]

There's a reason Calcifediol is a prescription-only medicine, and it's not your over the counter D vitamin.

They used it because it ramps up vitamin D fast. The ones you get over the counter take days.

[rmt]

Because it's actually not proven as an effective treatment to Covid?



That paper doesn't say what you claim above...

https://medium.com/@shinjieyong/the-first-clinical-trial-to-support-vitamin-d-therapy-for-covid-19-906a9d907468

Has there been enough time for studies/proof? Isn't it just common sense that aspirin helps to thin the blood and might help with clotting? And isn't:

Vitamin D can modulate the innate and adaptive immune responses. Deficiency in vitamin D is associated with increased autoimmunity as well as an increased susceptibility to infection.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/#:~:text=Vitamin%20D%20can%20modulate%20the,an%20i ncreased%20susceptibility%20to%20infection.

[DarrinS]

Because it's actually not proven as an effective treatment to Covid?

That paper doesn't say what you claim above...


These were hospitalized patients.

2% of those receiving vitamin D went on to ICU (1 of 50), vs 50% of placebo

Zero on vitamin D died. 2 of 13 died in placebo group that went to ICU.

[rmt]

I think my link is to the same study as Darrin's.

[DarrinS]

I got my mom on the 2000 IU of vitamin D back in April.

[ElNono]

They used it because it ramps up vitamin D fast. The ones you get over the counter take days.

No, they use it because the claim is that Vitamin D receptors helps with ARDS, a claim that predates COVID. The paper also claims a reduction in ICU visits, but nothing 'avoidiong severe covid-19 symptoms'.

The notion that the entire field of science passed on this miraculous treatment and are still waiting for an effective one is frankly fairly ridiculous. Heck, the patients on that study were also receiving hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and antibiotics.

Sure, having a Vitamin D deficit is generally bad, even if you don't have COVID. That has nothing to do with over the counter Vitamin D being an effective treatment to COVID.

Calcifediol has side effects that Vitamin D doesn't have either, like reduction of red blood cells, anemia, etc...

[ElNono]

These were hospitalized patients.

2% of those receiving vitamin D went on to ICU (1 of 50), vs 50% of placebo

Zero on vitamin D died. 2 of 13 died in placebo group that went to ICU.

I read the whole paper. Read my previous post.

[rmt]

I got my mom on the 2000 IU of vitamin D back in April.

Speaking of moms, mine used to give me this disgusting plain cod liver oil (fish oil, vitamin A and D for immunity against colds/flu) when I was young. Of course, I don't think it's disgusting when I gave my kids cod liver oil (now it's lemon or orange flavored but still disgusting compared to just fish oil).

[ElNono]

https://medium.com/@shinjieyong/the-first-clinical-trial-to-support-vitamin-d-therapy-for-covid-19-906a9d907468

Has there been enough time for studies/proof? Isn't it just common sense that aspirin helps to thin the blood and might help with clotting? And isn't:

Vitamin D can modulate the innate and adaptive immune responses. Deficiency in vitamin D is associated with increased autoimmunity as well as an increased susceptibility to infection.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/#:~:text=Vitamin%20D%20can%20modulate%20the,an%20i ncreased%20susceptibility%20to%20infection.

2012 paper. Claiming this proves Vitamin D is an effective treatment to COVID is disingenuous at best.

[rmt]

ElNono - if you are such a great believer in taking only what has been proven by randomized, double-blinded studies - go right ahead - don't take anything that might possibly help.

[ElNono]

As to your question about 'enough time for studies/proof'? No we have not. AFAIK, that study Darrin posted is the only Vitamin-D/COVID paper available and has a sample of 76 patients, which by any standard is low.

[DarrinS]

Speaking of moms, mine used to give me this disgusting plain cod liver oil (fish oil, vitamin A and D for immunity against colds/flu) when I was young. Of course, I don't think it's disgusting when I gave my kids cod liver oil (now it's lemon or orange flavored but still disgusting compared to just fish oil).

Probably a very good reason mom's gave that. My mom has lived through multiple pandemics.

[DarrinS]

As to your question about 'enough time for studies/proof'? No we have not. AFAIK, that study Darrin posted is the only Vitamin-D/COVID paper available and has a sample of 76 patients, which by any standard is low.

Admittedly, a low sample size.

[rmt]

2012 paper. Claiming this proves Vitamin D is an effective treatment to COVID is disingenuous at best.

Where do you see 2012 paper? I see:

The First Clinical Trial to Support Vitamin D Therapy For Covid-19
Oral calcifediol, the main metabolite of vitamin D3, reduced ICU admission from 50% to 2% among Covid-19 patients.
Shin Jie Yong
2 days ago·6 min read

A study from Spain finally presents the first clinical evidence for the use of vitamin D to treat Covid-19. The study, “Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortality Among Patients Hospitalized for COVID-19: A Pilot Randomized Clinical study,” was published in The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology on 29 August. It’s called a pilot because the sample size is still small, but its randomization and prospective design still make it a robust research.

[ElNono]

ElNono - if you are such a great believer in taking only what has been proven by randomized, double-blinded studies - go right ahead - don't take anything that might possibly help.

Ignorance can cause deaths too, you have to look no further than the POTUS on that. I'm doing a public service.

Clearly nobody in their sane mind will ask for medical advice (or should) from pseudo doctors Darrin or rmt when it comes to COVID.

[ElNono]

Where do you see 2012 paper? I see:

The First Clinical Trial to Support Vitamin D Therapy For Covid-19
Oral calcifediol, the main metabolite of vitamin D3, reduced ICU admission from 50% to 2% among Covid-19 patients.
Shin Jie Yong
2 days ago·6 min read

A study from Spain finally presents the first clinical evidence for the use of vitamin D to treat Covid-19. The study, “Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortality Among Patients Hospitalized for COVID-19: A Pilot Randomized Clinical study,” was published in The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology on 29 August. It’s called a pilot because the sample size is still small, but its randomization and prospective design still make it a robust research.

Your second link:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/#:~:text=Vitamin%20D%20can%20modulate%20the,an%20i ncreased%20susceptibility%20to%20infection

The first link is the study Darrin posted.

[DarrinS]

Ignorance can cause deaths too, you have to look no further than the POTUS on that. I'm doing a public service.

Clearly nobody in their sane mind will ask for medical advice (or should) from pseudo doctors Darrin or rmt when it comes to COVID.



Don't take vitamin D then. Jeez

[rmt]

Oh, I see. The vitamin D and the Immune System is the 2012 paper. I think that's pretty standard accepted "fact" that Vitamin D is very important to the immune system.

[ElNono]

And as I always point out, I'm not against/have no horse in that race/etc that Calcifediol can be used alongside other effective treatments to defeat COVID.

However, asserting that an over the counter Vitamin D treatment can prevent you from suffering severe COVID-19 symptoms is entirely unfounded at this point.

[ElNono]

Don't take vitamin D then. Jeez

I've taken Vitamin D when I was Vitamin D deficient. Nothing to do with COVID.

You understand the point I make: spreading falsehoods about snake oil treatments make people incorrectly confident. That's a mistake.

[ElNono]

Oh, I see. The vitamin D and the Immune System is the 2012 paper. I think that's pretty standard accepted "fact" that Vitamin D is very important to the immune system.

Yeah, it also has nothing to do with COVID. Couldn't possibly make a claim about COVID since COVID wasn't discovered then.

[DarrinS]

And as I always point out, I'm not against/have no horse in that race/etc that Calcifediol can be used alongside other effective treatments to defeat COVID.

However, asserting that an over the counter Vitamin D treatment can prevent you from suffering severe COVID-19 symptoms is entirely unfounded at this point.


Is vitamin D the new hydoxychloroquine?

[ElNono]

Is vitamin D the new hydoxychloroquine?

I don't think it's been scrutinized as much, so I would say, not at this time.

[DarrinS]

I've taken Vitamin D when I was Vitamin D deficient. Nothing to do with COVID.

You understand the point I make: spreading falsehoods about snake oil treatments make people incorrectly confident. That's a mistake.

Don't take it then. I'm definitely taking it and have advised all family members to take it since April.

It doesn't hurt my feelings, if you think it's "snake oil".

[baseline bum]

Probably a very good reason mom's gave that. My mom has lived through multiple pandemics.

This ain't the flu and she hasn't lived through it yet.

[ElNono]

Don't take it then. I'm definitely taking it and have advised all family members to take it since April.

It doesn't hurt my feelings, if you think it's "snake oil".

You're not going to OD on it, or kill yourself, that's a step forward from pushing hydoxychloroquine, tbh...

But hopefully people in da zip code don't think they can just drop the masks and stop social distancing because muh miraculous D Vitamin...

[ElNono]

I lived through multiple pandemics... like H1N1 and Ebola, etc... means absolutely nothing when those pandemics didn't really had neither the scale or effect of this one in the US.

[rmt]

That 2012 link was just to show how important vitamin D is to autoimmunity and infections.

[rmt]

You're not going to OD on it, or kill yourself, that's a step forward from pushing hydoxychloroquine, tbh...

But hopefully people in da zip code don't think they can just drop the masks and stop social distancing because muh miraculous D Vitamin...

Why the extreme? Who said anything about dropping masks and stop social distancing? With the very limited things we can do with this relatively new/unknown virus, doesn't it make sense to put oneself in the best possible health/condition?

[ElNono]

That 2012 link was just to show how important vitamin D is to autoimmunity and infections.

Nobody claimed otherwise. The claim was that active Vitamin D receptors avoid developing the most pernicious effects of a COVID infection.

Most people infected with COVID that had to be hospitalized very likely had a blood test done, especially those sent to ICU, so it would be fairly trivial to look if the worst cases all happened to be Vitamin D deficient (or the vast majority of them).

A study showing that would give this theory more credence, and the fact that it hasn't materialized after 8 months makes it simply less credible.

[DarrinS]

You're not going to OD on it, or kill yourself, that's a step forward from pushing hydoxychloroquine, tbh...

But hopefully people in da zip code don't think they can just drop the masks and stop social distancing because muh miraculous D Vitamin...

Ignored snark

Watch from about 13:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TECf3xSFbU

[ElNono]

Why the extreme? Who said anything about dropping masks and stop social distancing? With the very limited things we can do with this relatively new/unknown virus, doesn't it make sense to put oneself in the best possible health/condition?

The claim was:


Such an inexpensive way to avoid severe covid-19 symptoms. Oh well.

If that were to be true, then there's no problem with getting infected. As long as you chug on Vitamin D, you won't get severe covid-19 symptoms.

That's just simply not true, at least at this point.

[ElNono]

Ignored snark

Watch from about 13:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TECf3xSFbU

You already posted this. The paper he quotes only claims that Vitamin D "potentially could help", but make no assertions or proofs. He goes one a drivel over how he talked about Vitamin D.

Sorry, YouTube doctors are not the level here. Any serious scientist would publish a paper and present their proof, let the community dissect it. That's what the Spanish team did, and it's the right way to go about it.

[DarrinS]

The claim was:

If that were to be true, then there's no problem with getting infected. As long as you chug on Vitamin D, you won't get severe covid-19 symptoms.

That's just simply not true, at least at this point.

Ok then. Nevermind.

Disclaimer: I have no financial stake in in BIG vitamins or BIG aspirin. :lol

[DarrinS]

You already posted this. The paper he quotes only claims that Vitamin D "potentially could help", but make no assertions or proofs. He goes one a drivel over how he talked about Vitamin D.

Sorry, YouTube doctors are not the level here. Any serious scientist would publish a paper and present their proof, let the community dissect it. That's what the Spanish team did, and it's the right way to go about it.


Do what you want.

[ElNono]

Ok then. Nevermind.

Disclaimer: I have no financial stake in in BIG vitamins or BIG aspirin. :lol

I'm not saying you're trying to make a profit from it, tbh... I'm simply pointing out the claim really isn't there.

Like I said earlier, if you're Vitamin D deficient, it's a good idea to go out in the sun more often or take some Vitamin D, regardless of COVID.

[ElNono]

Do what you want.

That's what I'm doing.

[DarrinS]

I'm not saying you're trying to make a profit from it, tbh... I'm simply pointing out the claim really isn't there.

Like I said earlier, if you're Vitamin D deficient, it's a good idea to go out in the sun more often or take some Vitamin D, regardless of COVID.


Like I said, do what you want.

[ElNono]

Like I said, do what you want.


hopefully people in da zip code don't think they can just drop the masks and stop social distancing because muh miraculous D Vitamin...

[DarrinS]

I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing. And I had very mild case of covid.

[DarrinS]

cases in "da zip code" haven't changed in over a month

[rmt]

The claim was:



If that were to be true, then there's no problem with getting infected. As long as you chug on Vitamin D, you won't get severe covid-19 symptoms.

That's just simply not true, at least at this point.

I see where the confusion is - I meant that I agree with his suggestion to take 2000IU vitamin D and low dose aspirin. Admittedly, I put it in the wrong post but if you re-read, it's pretty obvious.

I also think there is a big difference between being at 30 (lowest end of normal and just short of deficient) than being at the upper/high end closer to 100. What other options do we have available to us at home sitting around wondering if we're going to catch it.

[ElNono]

I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing. And I had very mild case of covid.

Anecdote.


cases in "da zip code" haven't changed in over a month

Good for them.

[ElNono]

I see where the confusion is - I meant that I agree with his suggestion to take 2000IU vitamin D and low dose aspirin. Admittedly, I put it in the wrong post but if you re-read, it's pretty obvious.

I also think there is a big difference between being at 30 (lowest end of normal and just short of deficient) than being at the upper/high end closer to 100. What other options do we have available to us at home sitting around wondering if we're going to catch it.

Wearing a mask and social distancing are always solid options.

[rmt]

I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing. And I had very mild case of covid.

Me too - at least I feel like I'm doing something to boost my immunity and if I catch it, at least I tried.

[DarrinS]

2% ICU is better than 50% ICU, no?

[ElNono]

2% ICU is better than 50% ICU, no?

Sure*



*Not over the counter Vitamin D, and very low sample rate. Single study.

[rmt]

Wearing a mask and social distancing are always solid options.

I don't need to wear a mask or social distance at home.

[DarrinS]

Sure*



*Not over the counter Vitamin D, and very low sample rate. Single study.


Man, you really hate that study.

[ElNono]

I don't need to wear a mask or social distance at home.

That's true. Keeping in good health is always a good option too.

[ElNono]

Man, you really hate that study.

How so? I'm actually pointing out what's on the study, since you seemingly left the details out. I want people informed.

[rmt]

This is so funny - the difference in both sides. One wonders how anything was ever thought of, explored, tried, invented before it became mainstream.

[DarrinS]

How so? I'm actually pointing out what's on the study, since you seemingly left the details out. I want people informed.

Me too. If people don't want to take cheap vitamins to prevent death, that's their business.

[ElNono]

This is so funny - the difference in both sides. One wonders how anything was ever thought of, explored, tried, invented before it became mainstream.

You don't have to wonder. It's actually fairly well documented, if you care to look.

[ElNono]

Me too. If people don't want to take cheap vitamins to prevent death, that's their business.

Except that paper doesn't make any such claims, that's entirely your claim. That's what I'm pointing out.

[rmt]

IOW, vitamin D is somehow the new hydrochlor whatever. It hadn't been proven to help but it didn't hurt - my attitude (at that early time) was - I'd try it since there wasn't anything else and some docs in Italy or wherever were having anecdotal success.

[DarrinS]

Even in the article boutons posted

"Interestingly, Jacobson’s team also suggests vitamin D as a potentially useful Covid-19 drug. The vitamin is involved in the RAS system and could prove helpful by reducing levels of another compound, known as REN. Again, this could stop potentially deadly bradykinin storms from forming"


https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63

[ElNono]

IOW, vitamin D is somehow the new hydrochlor whatever. It hadn't been proven to help but it didn't hurt - my attitude (at that early time) was - I'd try it since there wasn't anything else and some docs in Italy or wherever were having anecdotal success.

We touched on this earlier. The study doesn't mention over the counter Vitamin D, but Calcifediol, which is a prescription medicine.

And as I said earlier, I wouldn't put it at the same level as 'hydrochlor whatever' since 'hydrochlor whatever' has been much more extensively studied against COVID.

[ElNono]

Even in the article boutons posted

"Interestingly, Jacobson’s team also suggests vitamin D as a potentially useful Covid-19 drug. The vitamin is involved in the RAS system and could prove helpful by reducing levels of another compound, known as REN. Again, this could stop potentially deadly bradykinin storms from forming"

https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63

That quote is the same quote your YouTube doctor was going over. Surprised you didn't notice, tbh. And, again, 'potential' and proven are two different things.

[DarrinS]

We touched on this earlier. The study doesn't mention over the counter Vitamin D, but Calcifediol, which is a prescription medicine.

No difference, except Calcifediol raises D levels faster.

[pgardn]

The NIH suggests you read their articles that are peer reviewed and studied, to verify claims by this guy.
Doctors are NOT researchers, in fact they send in some of the sloppiest studies that are continuously sent back to them for redos, especially with cancer.
Sleep study expert, cardiovascular expert pulmonary expert, expert in all fields until he decided to increase the viewership on his arcane medical student self help vids once Covid came around. Pass...



Roger Seheult, a California pulmonologist, produces MedCram, an eight-year old YouTube page that, before January, posted mostly arcane lectures for medical students. Then Seheult turned to the coronavirus, posting dozens of dispatches on the outbreak. Traffic exploded. One of his most popular videos, with over a million views, is a seventeen-minute clip from March 10 in which he says he is “cautiously optimistic” about hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested as a coronavirus treatment, with mixed to lacking scientific support.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/youtube-tested-flood-star-doctors-100054145.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFeovCEOUil0Fl-F6r0dha8ZSUz_OizOsCV0BdDCvi0YiLY4ZHqcGLArBfBx_PUe5 yut1OEtHj5IHKnwNW5rRNEfsXBGvzgOKsuxPaVbDfvGsF07qUk GcIU9SIzVHZkbdNTY7c6BBoK9EC_QWXuErfbAg3S9vCFOo1gdJ mlXL05m

[DarrinS]

That quote is the same quote your YouTube doctor was going over. Surprised you didn't notice, tbh. And, again, 'potential' and proven are two different things.

Find my quote where I said "proven". There's tons of anecdotal evidence. Not just for covid19, but for respiratory distress in general.

[DarrinS]

The NIH suggests you read their articles that are peer reviewed and studied, to verify claims by this guy.
Doctors are NOT researchers, in fact they send in some of the sloppiest studies that are continuously sent back to them for redos, especially with cancer.
Sleep study expert, cardiovascular expert pulmonary expert, expert in all fields until he decided to increase the viewership on his arcane medical student self help vids once Covid came around. Pass...



Roger Seheult, a California pulmonologist, produces MedCram, an eight-year old YouTube page that, before January, posted mostly arcane lectures for medical students. Then Seheult turned to the coronavirus, posting dozens of dispatches on the outbreak. Traffic exploded. One of his most popular videos, with over a million views, is a seventeen-minute clip from March 10 in which he says he is “cautiously optimistic” about hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested as a coronavirus treatment, with mixed to lacking scientific support.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/youtube-tested-flood-star-doctors-100054145.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFeovCEOUil0Fl-F6r0dha8ZSUz_OizOsCV0BdDCvi0YiLY4ZHqcGLArBfBx_PUe5 yut1OEtHj5IHKnwNW5rRNEfsXBGvzgOKsuxPaVbDfvGsF07qUk GcIU9SIzVHZkbdNTY7c6BBoK9EC_QWXuErfbAg3S9vCFOo1gdJ mlXL05m

He treats covid-19 patients. Do you?

[ElNono]

No difference, except Calcifediol raises D levels faster.

Of course it's different, that's why Calcifediol is a prescription medicine, something else you left out.

[DarrinS]

Gee, I wonder if numerous medical YouTube channels focused on Covid-19 after January?

Good job, detective.

[ElNono]

Find my quote where I said "proven". There's tons of anecdotal evidence. Not just for covid19, but for respiratory distress in general.


Me too. If people don't want to take cheap vitamins to prevent death, that's their business.

The bolded is the claim you keep making. That doesn't sound anecdotal at all to me.

The fact it's indeed largely anecdotal is exactly what I'm pointing out. Let's say it's better than anecdotal, because there's at least one peer-reviewed study with a low sample rate that points to it being effective.

[DarrinS]

Of course it's different, that's why Calcifediol is a prescription medicine, something else you left out.

Raises blood levels fast, which is why it's a prescription.

[ElNono]

Gee, I wonder if numerous medical YouTube channels focused on Covid-19 after January?

Good job, detective.

This is probably where things are going wrong. YouTube is probably not the best place to get medical advice.

[DarrinS]

The bolded is the claim you keep making. That doesn't sound anecdotal at all to me.

The fact it's indeed largely anecdotal is exactly what I'm pointing out. Let's say it's better than anecdotal, because there's at least one peer-reviewed study with a low sample rate that points to it being effective.


Ok. Wait for your vaccine then.


I was offering reasonable, cheap advice.


You don't want it? Zero fucks given.


I'm 100% not taking the vaccine.

[pgardn]

He treats covid-19 patients. Do you?

No.

But I can read other doctors who do and the NIH research and links to other research.


Can you?

Or are you going to WATCH YouTube videos from one doc attention whore who fulfills your biases?

[ElNono]

Raises blood levels fast, which is why it's a prescription.

Calcifediol is NOT Vitamind D, it's a Vitamin D3 analog. It's actually a prehormone, what your body produces once the liver processed regular Vitamin D3.

It has side effects that regular Vitamin D3 doesn't have, as already explained, thus why it's a prescription medicine.

You actually CAN overdose on Calcifediol (which include hypercalcemia, renal and cardiac failure on severe overdoses), something you can't do on Vitamin D3.

This is why it's important to be informed about these things.

[DarrinS]

No.

But I can read other doctors who do and the NIH research and links to other research.


Can you?

Or are you going to WATCH YouTube videos from one doc attention whore who fulfills your biases?


The medcram YouTube channel is excellent, IMO.

[ElNono]

Ok. Wait for your vaccine then.

I was offering reasonable, cheap advice.

You don't want it? Zero fucks given.

I'm 100% not taking the vaccine.

This isn't about your feels Darrin. It's clear you're willing to accept pseudo-science, that's certainly your problem.

Other readers here don't have to get partial information. They should get the full picture and make their own decisions.

[pgardn]

Gee, I wonder if numerous medical YouTube channels focused on Covid-19 after January?

Good job, detective.

When he had a huge number of videos for medical students rarely watched?
Are you fckn kidding. So because he treats patients AND has you tubes that abandoned what he had done for years...
Yeah I’ll buy that bridge, he’s the only doc that treats Covid. And he does Zero research.

[DarrinS]

Calcifediol is NOT Vitamind D, it's a Vitamin D3 analog. It's actually a prehormone, what your body produces once the liver processed regular Vitamin D3.

It has side effects that regular Vitamin D3 doesn't have, as already explained, thus why it's a prescription medicine.

You actually CAN overdose on Calcifediol (which include hypercalcemia, renal and cardiac failure on severe overdoses), something you can't do on Vitamin D3.

This is why it's important to be informed about these things.


We get it. That's why it's not over the counter. Thanks.

[pgardn]

The medcram YouTube channel is excellent, IMO.

So you were cramming for Med school exams?

[ElNono]

We get it. That's why it's not over the counter. Thanks.

You just claimed it was the same thing. That was wrong. You're welcome.

[DarrinS]

When he had a huge number of videos for medical students rarely watched?
Are you fckn kidding. So because he treats patients AND has you tubes that abandoned what he had done for years...
Yeah I’ll buy that bridge, he’s the only doc that treats Covid. And he does Zero research.

You seem angry. Watch some of their videos. They aren't political.

[pgardn]

The medcram YouTube channel is excellent, IMO.

Of course.
Because it touted the anti malarial so it’s tops...

[DarrinS]

Raises blood levels fast, which is why it's a prescription.


You just claimed it was the same thing. That was wrong. You're welcome.

No

[DarrinS]

Of course.
Because it touted the anti malarial so it’s tops...

He shit on HCQ, so ....

[pgardn]

You seem angry. Watch some of their videos. They aren't political.

They are by ONE doctor out of thousands that treat Covid who don’t have time to make you tubes on the side. He should be a busy man right now making vids for medical students on sleep studies as well.

[pgardn]

He shit on HCQ, so ....

Not according to the yahoo article I posted...

[DarrinS]

They are by ONE doctor out of thousands that treat Covid who don’t have time to make you tubes on the side. He should be a busy man right now making vids for medical students on sleep studies as well.

Channel was recommended by my sister, a doctor

[DarrinS]

Not according to the yahoo article I posted...

Perhaps, he changed his opinion?

[ElNono]

No

Yes you did...


No difference, except Calcifediol raises D levels faster.

What does 'no difference' means? And it's more than just 'raises D levels faster'.

[pgardn]

He shit on HCQ, so ....

Not according to the yahoo article I posted...

Im glad he changed his mind apparently?

[DarrinS]

Just carry a protest sign. Prevents Covid, tbh.

[pgardn]

He shit on HCQ, so ....

Not according to the yahoo article I posted...

Im glad he changed his mind apparently?

[rmt]

Calcifediol is NOT Vitamind D, it's a Vitamin D3 analog. It's actually a prehormone, what your body produces once the liver processed regular Vitamin D3.

It has side effects that regular Vitamin D3 doesn't have, as already explained, thus why it's a prescription medicine.

You actually CAN overdose on Calcifediol (which include hypercalcemia, renal and cardiac failure on severe overdoses), something you can't do on Vitamin D3.

This is why it's important to be informed about these things.

I strongly disagree with the bolded - if I go to Amazon and buy any of the (mostly) vitamin D3 (some are 50,000IU PER pill) on there and take a lot or daily, I definitely run the risk of hypercalcemia.

It's not what form of vitamin d that you take - it's the body specifically the kidneys that change them into what's useable by the body (different according to the person) - some people do it efficiently and some (those with autoimmune issues) don't. Taking up to 10,000IU daily is generally considered "safe" meaning you don't have to do tests (PTH, calcium in urine, ionized and blood calcium) to check for hypercalcemia (too much calcium in blood) or worry about risk of kidney stones - just monitor vitamin D level a few months after that it's in range.

[koriwhat]

but if trump said the cure was in his dick you'd be the first one on your knees :lol

lol thinking igaf what trump says... this is why you're a straight up bitch weebs.

[ChumpDumper]

Ignorance can cause deaths too, you have to look no further than the POTUS on that. I'm doing a public service.

Clearly nobody in their sane mind will ask for medical advice (or should) from pseudo doctors Darrin or rmt when it comes to COVID.:lol

The ST doctors giving out the most medical advice here are the ones who were careless enough or had bad enough hygiene to have COVID themselves or in their homes way early in the pandemic.

[Will Hunting]

:lol

The ST doctors giving out the most medical advice here are the ones who were careless enough or had bad enough hygiene to have COVID themselves or in their homes way early in the pandemic.
:lol that's a good point, the people in this forum who said they or their household has had COVID-19 are all conservatives.

It's pretty annoying that we'd be completely done with this pandemic if conservatives just played by the rules and didn't turn everything into a political issue. Jokes on them since Trump would be coasting to a re-election if the pandemic were already over.

[rmt]

Calcifediol is NOT Vitamind D, it's a Vitamin D3 analog. It's actually a prehormone, what your body produces once the liver processed regular Vitamin D3.

It has side effects that regular Vitamin D3 doesn't have, as already explained, thus why it's a prescription medicine.

You actually CAN overdose on Calcifediol (which include hypercalcemia, renal and cardiac failure on severe overdoses), something you can't do on Vitamin D3.

This is why it's important to be informed about these things.

LOL - talk about doing exactly what you're accusing Darrin of doing. What you have said could possibly kill someone - what Darrin suggested 2000IU of vitamin D and low dose aspirin wouldn't hurt anyone - healthy or with Covid.

[ElNono]

LOL - talk about doing exactly what you're accusing Darrin of doing. What you have said could possibly kill someone - what Darrin suggested 2000IU of vitamin D and low dose aspirin wouldn't hurt anyone - healthy or with Covid.

How am I doing exactly the same thing? :lol

And I pointed out that not being deficient on Vitamin D is a good thing COVID or not, so we completely agree on that.

The issue I took, which I clearly spelled out a number of times already, is the claim that taking over the counter Vitamin D somehow will prevent you from having COVID's most nefarious symptoms.

[ElNono]

:lol that's a good point, the people in this forum who said they or their household has had COVID-19 are all conservatives.

It's pretty annoying that we'd be completely done with this pandemic if conservatives just played by the rules and didn't turn everything into a political issue. Jokes on them since Trump would be coasting to a re-election if the pandemic were already over.

:lol

[pgardn]

I firmly believe we will have medicines that alleviate symptoms.
Patience.

And a vaccine.

I understand the need to feel like a “miracle” has occurred before November 2020

[rmt]

How am I doing exactly the same thing? :lol

And I pointed out that not being deficient on Vitamin D is a good thing COVID or not, so we completely agree on that.

The issue I took, which I clearly spelled out a number of times already, is the claim that taking over the counter Vitamin D somehow will prevent you from having COVID's most nefarious symptoms.

I was referring to your statements - particularly the one that you can't "overdose"/get hypercalcemia from taking too much Vitamin D3 and following that one about being informed.

[ElNono]

I was referring to your statements - particularly the one that you can't "overdose"/get hypercalcemia from taking too much Vitamin D3 and following that one about being informed.

I admit to wording that poorly, but you simply will not get renal and/or cardiac failure on severe overdoses of over the counter Vitamin D3.

That's being informed, and the difference between a prescription drug like Calcifediol and over the counter vitamins.

Hopefully it's more clear to you now.

[DarrinS]

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04536298

[Death In June]

You can take 50K units of vitamin D2, D3 or any variant thereof daily without having issues. The ceiling of taking vitamin D by itself before you encounter issues is sky high. It might be the most benign drug there is. Using it as a tool to treat COVID symptoms is silly though. Theres an association with deficiency and worsening symptoms but your obese populations tend to be your deficient populations, so there is a huge confounding variable there.

[hater]

Only a complete idiot would take a vaccine nicknamed warp speed :lmao

Btw the closest western vaccine so far is being developed by the same company that gave us the swine flu shit vaccine

:lol

[Will Hunting]

:lol this reminds me of the Netflix documentaries that say high doses of Vitamin C cure cancer

[leemajors]

what's the conspiracy theory here?

He's parroting Rogan again

[Will Hunting]

AstraZeneca pauses vaccine trials amid unexplained illness.

BigPharma fucking up per usual!

[hater]

Somebody dieded

https://twitter.com/thewildernes/status/1303449486388350980?s=19

[hater]

AstraZeneca reported that due to the U.K.’s $79 million investment, the first 30 million doses of the vaccine it’s developing with the University of Oxford would be allocated to that country. Then, on May 21, the United States pledged as much as $1.2 billion to the company in order to obtain at least 300 million doses, with the first to be delivered as early as October. The pledge to AstraZeneca is part of the Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed for securing vaccines for Americans as early as possible.


This is the one Dump os banking his election on lol



And this is from 2013 when this shit company assured their vaccine worked vs swine flu:

Preliminary results from studies found that AstraZeneca's FluMist had little or no effect against swine flu in young kids. That was the most common bug making people sick last winter.

Why it didn't work isn't clear. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it's possible the spray vaccine won't work again for swine flu this season



They later said this didnt work vs swine flu because they didnt keep it cold enough :lmao

:lmao banking your election and entire economic recovery on this :lmao


:lol expecting any sane intelligent person giving this to their kids :lol

[hater]

Here it is :lol



The makers of the nasal spray version of the flu vaccine say now they know why it has failed to protect young U.S. children against swine flu — fragile doses got too warm.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/astrazeneca-explains-why-swine-flu-vaccination-didnt-work/106717/%3famp

So they charge you for it, promise it will work and when it doesnt they will telm you its because of the weather or because the strain is different this year :lol

Called it :tu

[hater]

Called it

:lol warp speed

:lol ronald dump

https://twitter.com/uTobian/status/1303550076032176129?s=19

What a shit company.

Their CEO said the patient is hospitalized with paralysis. They immediately deny their CEOs statement :lol

[Will Hunting]

Called it

:lol warp speed

:lol ronald dump

https://twitter.com/uTobian/status/1303550076032176129?s=19

What a shit company.

Their CEO said the patient is hospitalized with paralysis. They immediately deny their CEOs statement :lol
If that paralysis story is true then it's going to be a struggle to get people to take the vaccine regardless of who the president is.

I know I'd personally want to see several million people take it with no side effects before I did.

[hater]

If that paralysis story is true then it's going to be a struggle to get people to take the vaccine regardless of who the president is.

I know I'd personally want to see several million people take it with no side effects before I did.

NYT seems to think its true.

A person familiar with the situation, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the participant had been enrolled in a Phase 2/3 trial based in the United Kingdom. The individual also said that a volunteer in the U.K. trial had been found to have transverse myelitis, an inflammatory syndrome that affects the spinal cord and is often sparked by viral infections. However, the timing of this diagnosis, and whether it was directly linked to AstraZeneca’s vaccine, is unclear.

The company will never concede that their drug did it and it would be impossible to prove.

Anyone that takes a vaccine that has been out in less than one year for a diease where 95% survive is completely insane.

I would give it at least 1 year minimum

[Will Hunting]

NYT seems to think its true.

A person familiar with the situation, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the participant had been enrolled in a Phase 2/3 trial based in the United Kingdom. The individual also said that a volunteer in the U.K. trial had been found to have transverse myelitis, an inflammatory syndrome that affects the spinal cord and is often sparked by viral infections. However, the timing of this diagnosis, and whether it was directly linked to AstraZeneca’s vaccine, is unclear.

The company will never concede that their drug did it and it would be impossible to prove.

Anyone that takes a vaccine that has been out in less than one year for a diease where 95% survive is completely insane.

I would give it at least 1 year minimum
:lol I don't even think it's going to be our shit-for-brains private pharma companies that develops it. I'll bet Germany develops a vaccine that we'll try to resist for months but ultimately use.

[spurraider21]

:lol I don't even think it's going to be our shit-for-brains private pharma companies that develops it. I'll bet Germany develops a vaccine that we'll try to resist for months but ultimately use.
imagine TGY's meltdown when Israel develops the vaccine first

[DarrinS]

imagine TGY's meltdown when Israel develops the vaccine first

:lol

[hater]

imagine TGY's meltdown when Israel develops the vaccine first

Dont tell TGY that these symptoms look like the H1N1 vaccine symptoms where a bunch of ppl developed narcolepsy. If someone wanted to make a population docile, narcolepsy is probably the best option :lol

[tholdren]

Lollpllllloollkkooll at the people who need a vax to feel safe. Lowwwwwwwww

[ChumpDumper]

Lollpllllloollkkooll at the people who need a vax to feel safe. Lowwwwwwwww

Sorry I called you out already.

Are you folding?

Yes or no.

[hater]

AstraZeneca’s vaccine uses a monkey adenovirus that shares a gene with the Covid-19 coronavirus – a platform that hasn’t been subjected to any long-term studies. Russia’s Sputnik V, in contrast, uses human adenoviruses as a vector – an approach that has been studied extensively for more than half a century

[tholdren]

Lollpllllloollkkooll at the people who need a vax to feel safe. Lowwwwwwwww

loloooollool vax lololooloooklllloook

[Winehole23]

Oxford/Astro-Zeneca trials to resume:

https://www.ft.com/content/588cebbc-cbae-45ba-8b9a-e8ad2760c0ed

[DMC]

People should be volunteering to try the vaccine if they care about the human race. Same people who will snort a line from some guy they never met :lol

[ElNono]

People should be volunteering to try the vaccine if they care about the human race. Same people who will snort a line from some guy they never met :lol

Maybe they can offer both to entice people? :lol

[hater]

:lmao "for profit vaccine companies" :lmao :lol :lol

AstraZeneca has said it's unable to provide more information about the health problem, saying this would violate patient privacy, although it didn't say how.

[hater]

"For profit healthcare systems" :lol

[DMC]

Profit bad now

[hater]

Profit bad now

In healthcare and vaccines. Yes. :tu

[rmt]

You can take 50K units of vitamin D2, D3 or any variant thereof daily without having issues. The ceiling of taking vitamin D by itself before you encounter issues is sky high. It might be the most benign drug there is. Using it as a tool to treat COVID symptoms is silly though. Theres an association with deficiency and worsening symptoms but your obese populations tend to be your deficient populations, so there is a huge confounding variable there.

It's not the vitamin D itself that's a problem - it's that vitamin D causes greater absorption of calcium and too high calcium is dangerous. I agree that it doesn't matter which type of vitamin D.

50K vitamin D ONCE a week is usually what the docs prescribe for vitamin D deficiency. I've been reading about the Coimbra Protocol which is high dose vitamin D (double digit thousands DAILY) for people with autoimmune diseases - claims it puts them in remission - no worsening of symptoms.

[DMC]

In healthcare and vaccines. Yes. :tu

So go become a doctor and volunteer your services.

[hater]

So go become a doctor and volunteer your services.

A dr can make a living just how a cop can.

[hater]

Had a call with some insiders.

All coming up vaccines will work like flu vaccine. 2 shots every 6 months. They will also not work 100% like flu vacvines but more like 50% to 70%

They first batch might be free but rest will cost about as much as a flu shot or more.

Earliest possible vaccine available to public is March 2021. Best case scenario.

Tighten up those assholes nigs. This is gonna be a loooong ride :lol

[pgardn]

Had a call with some insiders.

All coming up vaccines will work like flu vaccine. 2 shots every 6 months. They will also not work 100% like flu vacvines but more like 50% to 70%

They first batch might be free but rest will cost about as much as a flu shot or more.

Earliest possible vaccine available to public is March 2021. Best case scenario.

Tighten up those assholes nigs. This is gonna be a loooong ride :lol

flu vaccines do not “work” 100 %

Great intelligence find there captain compost.

[Will Hunting]

A vaccine that only works 50% of the time would be pointless. If that’s actually true then vaccines won’t matter.

IMO, it sounds like getting back to normal life by the end of 2021 is the best case scenario.

[hater]

A vaccine that only works 50% of the time would be pointless. If that’s actually true then vaccines won’t matter.

IMO, it sounds like getting back to normal life by the end of 2021 is the best case scenario.

Why 2021? I think any dramatic improvement on vaccine would take years. Maybe 3-5 if we are lucky.

Now maybe chinese or russian vaccine might work differently. But who knows.

[Will Hunting]

Why 2021? I think any dramatic improvement on vaccine would take years. Maybe 3-5 if we are lucky.

Now maybe chinese or russian vaccine might work differently. But who knows.
I said best case scenario, I'm taking the under on it actually happening :lol

It would make sense that BigPharma would develop a shit vaccine that's only 50% effective. They have no incentive to develop a 95+% effective vaccine when COVID-19 has been a cash cow for hospitals.

We better cross our fingers that China, Russia or a country in Western Europe develops a vaccine that actually works.

[SnakeBoy]

Just take 2000 IU of vitamin D per day and low-dose aspirin

Fauci is taking 6000 IU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZLMoLvhgk

[Reck]

Yep, I'm definitely not taking a vaccine that they say it's going to be out by the end of the month. :lol

[Will Hunting]

The vaccine is like Trump’s healthcare plan, it’s going to be a few weeks away from completion for the next year.

[Winehole23]

So go become a doctor and volunteer your services.Your oft repeated suggestion that personal choice is the solution to systemic and intractible social problems, is asinine. One big reason we have a political state is so we don't have to do certain things for ourselves.

[Reck]

The vaccine is like Trump’s healthcare plan, it’s going to be a few weeks away from completion for the next year.

Doctor Trump overruled his own CDC director and said we will have a vaccine in a couple of months at latest.

The director had said today we won't be seeing shit until at least early 2021.

[ChumpDumper]

Doctor Trump overruled his own CDC director and said we will have a vaccine in a couple of months at latest.

The director had said today we won't be seeing shit until at least early 2021.
I forgot when Caputo said it would be before he took his rest at Trembling Hills.

[Will Hunting]

Doctor Trump overruled his own CDC director and said we will have a vaccine in a couple of months at latest.

The director had said today we won't be seeing shit until at least early 2021.
That press conference was great, I liked the part when he was talking about the middle east and saying there's blood in the sand.

Don't forget that the CDC director was under oath when he said that, so I doubt it was something the CDC director didn't think about before saying.

Will be curious if the CDC Director falls in line with Trump or gives Trump the middle finger and stands by what he said.

[Will Hunting]

Trembling Hills.
:lmao

[Winehole23]

That press conference was great, I liked the part when he was talking about the middle east and saying there's blood in the sand.

Don't forget that the CDC director was under oath when he said that, so I doubt it was something the CDC director didn't think about before saying.

Will be curious if the CDC Director falls in line with Trump or gives Trump the middle finger and stands by what he said.that bubble already popped

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[Will Hunting]

that bubble already popped

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Eh, that's kind of a Susan Collins present vote. He didn't clarify what the timeline would be.

[Reck]

He said a whole lot of nothing.

I believe in a vaccine and a vaccine will get Americans back to normal.

You dont say..

[Will Hunting]

He said a whole lot of nothing.

I believe in a vaccine and a vaccine will get Americans back to normal.

You dont say..
The CDC also just issued an equally confusing statement to clarify the vaccine timeline. They're trying to thread the needle by not taking a stand against Trump but also not overtly lying the way Trump does.

[Winehole23]

The CDC also just issued an equally confusing statement to clarify the vaccine timeline. They're trying to thread the needle by not taking a stand against Trump but also not overtly lying the way Trump does.Why not? Bullshit works, especially well when rapidly cycled.

[SnakeBoy]

A vaccine that only works 50% of the time would be pointless.

That's a good year for the flu vaccine.

[Winehole23]

That's a good year for the flu vaccine.Yep.

You get yours yet?

[SnakeBoy]

Yep.

You get yours yet?

Yes

[Winehole23]

YesI'm about to. I only started last year.

[Will Hunting]

That's a good year for the flu vaccine.
Didn't know that tbh.

[Winehole23]

Didn't know that tbh.


There’s a joke about immunology, which Jessica Metcalf of Princeton recently told me. An immunologist and a cardiologist are kidnapped. The kidnappers threaten to shoot one of them, but promise to spare whoever has made the greater contribution to humanity. The cardiologist says, “Well, I’ve identified drugs that have saved the lives of millions of people.” Impressed, the kidnappers turn to the immunologist. “What have you done?” they ask. The immunologist says, “The thing is, the immune system is very complicated …” And the cardiologist says, “Just shoot me now.”

[hater]

Never took flu shot (its not a vaccine nigas) and wont start now

I do think elders and sick should. I would if I was either.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm about to. I only started last year.

This years made my shoulder sore as fuck for about 12hrs.

[rmt]

Never took flu shot (its not a vaccine nigas) and wont start now

I do think elders and sick should. I would if I was either.

Me too.

[pgardn]

Never got the flu young or a bit older and now take the flu vaccine every year.
So kids like rmt's or anyone else who cant take vaccines rely who rely on herd immunity wont get it.

I was pretty clearly a somewhat asymptomatic carrier. Very mild symptoms if any before the vaccine.
You are welcome rmt.

[pgardn]

This years made my shoulder sore as fuck for about 12hrs.

It made mine sore as well.
I thought it was the guy at CVS in a rush because its never hurt before in the least.
I can say it only hurt for only about 3 hours though. Weird.

[DMC]

Never took flu shot (its not a vaccine nigas) and wont start now

I do think elders and sick should. I would if I was either.

If you go around elders or the sick or the young, you could carry the flu to them even if you are not showing symptoms. This is why I get inoculated. Not for me, for them.

One in three influenza-infected individuals is asymptomatic. Mathematic models of influenza transmission and control have included presymptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. The proportion of transmission by asymptomatic individuals, defined as Theta (Τ) in transmission models, is assumed to be one-third to one-half that of influenza-infected symptomatic individuals.

[Ef-man]

^^^^^
From “ Does Influenza Transmission Occur from Asymptomatic Infection or Prior to Symptom Onset?”


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/003335490912400205

Good article.

[Ef-man]

^^^^^
From “ Does Influenza Transmission Occur from Asymptomatic Infection or Prior to Symptom Onset?”


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/003335490912400205

Good article.

[DMC]

So getting the shot not only protects you (as much as possible), it protects those who are more susceptible to exhibiting severe symptoms. This is especially important if you tend to the elderly or newborns.

[ElNono]

If you go around elders or the sick or the young, you could carry the flu to them even if you are not showing symptoms. This is why I get inoculated. Not for me, for them.

One in three influenza-infected individuals is asymptomatic. Mathematic models of influenza transmission and control have included presymptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. The proportion of transmission by asymptomatic individuals, defined as Theta (Τ) in transmission models, is assumed to be one-third to one-half that of influenza-infected symptomatic individuals.

Yep... I've taken it for a few years now, no big deal, tbh...

[hater]

Meh when I feel down w the flu I dont go around the weak and elders. Flu shot for healthy ppl is just a money scam

Sure covid is a different ballgame. Thatsbwhy we are social distancing.

[Dirks_Finale]

This years made my shoulder sore as fuck for about 12hrs.

[rmt]

Never got the flu young or a bit older and now take the flu vaccine every year.
So kids like rmt's or anyone else who cant take vaccines rely who rely on herd immunity wont get it.

I was pretty clearly a somewhat asymptomatic carrier. Very mild symptoms if any before the vaccine.
You are welcome rmt.

Before I thank you from WAAAY over here, maybe you can show any data backing up your claim that there is herd immunity for flu from the flu vaccine. From what I hear we're lucky if it is even 50% effective and hardly anyone I know takes it. So if you don't mind, I'll save my thanks till then.

[rmt]

Before I thank you from WAAAY over here, maybe you can show any data backing up your claim that there is herd immunity for flu from the flu vaccine. From what I hear we're lucky if it is even 50% effective and hardly anyone I know takes it. So if you don't mind, I'll save my thanks till then.

How effective is the flu vaccine?
CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well the influenza (flu) vaccine protects against flu illness. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine. In general, current flu vaccines tend to work better against influenza B and influenza A(H1N1) viruses and offer lower protection against influenza A(H3N2) viruses. See “Does flu vaccine effectiveness vary by type or subtype?” and “Why is flu vaccine typically less effective against influenza A H3N2 viruses?” for more information.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

[hater]

Before I thank you from WAAAY over here, maybe you can show any data backing up your claim that there is herd immunity for flu from the flu vaccine. From what I hear we're lucky if it is even 50% effective and hardly anyone I know takes it. So if you don't mind, I'll save my thanks till then.

Agreed. Flu shot is a scam. It does give some small protection to sick and elderly. Thats it. Its no vaccine

[hater]

How effective is the flu vaccine?
CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well the influenza (flu) vaccine protects against flu illness. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine. In general, current flu vaccines tend to work better against influenza B and influenza A(H1N1) viruses and offer lower protection against influenza A(H3N2) viruses. See “Does flu vaccine effectiveness vary by type or subtype?” and “Why is flu vaccine typically less effective against influenza A H3N2 viruses?” for more information.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

Called it :tu

Covid shots will be similar. No vaccine here

[rmt]

Agreed. Flu shot is a scam. It does give some small protection to sick and elderly. Thats it. Its no vaccine

Neither my parents who are in their 80s nor my mother-in-law who is in her 90s takes the flu vaccine.

[rmt]

Called it :tu

Covid shots will be similar. No vaccine here

Covid is different for the elderly - parents and mother-in-law will be taking the vaccine.

[pgardn]

Before I thank you from WAAAY over here, maybe you can show any data backing up your claim that there is herd immunity for flu from the flu vaccine. From what I hear we're lucky if it is even 50% effective and hardly anyone I know takes it. So if you don't mind, I'll save my thanks till then.

I am trying to achieve herd immunity but you aren’t.
what can I say?

Heard immunity has clearly worked for other vaccines that were required.
i’m not going to stop taking the vaccine because you and hater won’t participate.
i’m around too many people.

[pgardn]

Neither my parents who are in their 80s nor my mother-in-law who is in her 90s takes the flu vaccine.

so in your world everything is cool, so it must be the same and the rest of the world.

[hater]

Covid is different for the elderly - parents and mother-in-law will be taking the vaccine.

Yes. But its not a vacvine. Its a shot. Covid seasonal shot.

No vaccine.

[rmt]

I am trying to achieve herd immunity but you aren’t.
what can I say?

Heard immunity has clearly worked for other vaccines that were required.
i’m not going to stop taking the vaccine because you and hater won’t participate.
i’m around too many people.

You are trying to achieve herd immunity with a vaccine that only works 40 - 60% and that is not required to get into K-12 schools or colleges. I thank you for your kind efforts even if I think your efforts are in vain. But maybe one day these flu vaccines will reach MMR effectiveness, AND all 50 states will require it for entrance to K-12 and colleges like Massachusetts but until then thanks from WAAAY across the country.

The MMR vaccine is very safe and effective. Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/measles/index.html#:~:text=Two%20doses%20of%20MMR%20vaccin e%20are%20about%2097%25%20effective%20at,through%2 012%20years%20of%20age.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trump supporters promote herd immunity but don't know what it is.

[DarrinS]

Yes. But its not a vacvine. Its a shot. Covid seasonal shot.

No vaccine.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-virus-analysis-suggests-121709393.html

[hater]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-virus-analysis-suggests-121709393.html

50-70% effectiveness

Seasonal shots required most likely everh 6 mlnths.

Sorry to break it to you. Not a vaccine