trump calls our fallen heroes "losers"

[boutons_deux]

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[ElNono]

Judges have confirmed this thread is an L.

Get your own shit

[boutons_deux]

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[Spurtacular]

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Smart.

[Spurtacular]

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A lot of shit heads there, tbh.

[hombre]

The entire Trump family are hangers on.

[Chris]

Judges have confirmed this thread is an L.

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1303166417613672449?s=19

[DarrinS]

Womp womp


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[Dirks_Finale]

It's already been out there too long, though...played on a loop by MSM. So it's done damage, regardless of the fact that it's likely not true.


Womp womp


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[DMX7]

Unless John Bolton was standing next to Trump 100% of the trip then he couldn’t know. He always oversells his importance.

[Bogie]

A lot of shit heads there, tbh.

you’re such a fucking loser. Do you even realize how little the people that give you your opinions think of you.

You’re nothing more than frightened little boy, with no friends, who they prey upon by pretending to hate the same people you fear.

Jesus, you’re an embarrassment to the species. Grow the fuck up you little bitch

[Bogie]

Womp womp


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imagine how dumb you must be.

[Bogie]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1303166417613672449?s=19

besides a tweet from a guy that depends on you being a frightened little bitch, do you have any real sources?

[Will Hunting]

:lol Bolton flat out says in the video “I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things”

[Spurminator]

:lol Bolton flat out says in the video “I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things”

:lmao MAGAtards so desperate they're back to taking John Bolton seriously.

[boutons_deux]

Before Trump called troops 'losers,'

there was the Vietnam of dating and threats to disown Don Jr.

In 2015, of course, Trump famously said of the late Sen. John McCain, “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured.”

In 1999, considering a run for president as a Reform Party candidate, Trump said of McCain, “Does being captured make you a hero? I don’t know. I’m not sure.” This was apparently Trump’s main thought about McCain for well over a decade.

Trump joked with Howard Stern about dating and avoiding sexually transmitted diseases being like Vietnam combat (https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/14/media/trump-stern-vietnam-stds/index.html).

Trump said “that was a good job” of a Stern staffer having gotten out of Vietnam by claiming an apparently fake knee problem.

in 1993, Trump said, “if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam, we have our own Vietnam. It’s called the dating game.”

Trump’s older brother, Fred Jr., went into the Air National Guard, and, Fred Jr.’s daughter Mary Trump has said, “My father was frequently ridiculed for his career choices and disparaged for serving our country by both his father and by his brother Donald.”

when Don Jr. wanted to go into the military, his parents threatened to disown him.

Trump’s public series of attacks on Gold Star parents Khizr and Ghazala Khan.

And then there are the reports of Trump bellowing at top generals (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/youre-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies-inside-trumps-stunning-tirade-against-generals/2020/01/16/d6dbb8a6-387e-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html) that they were “a bunch of dopes and babies.”

Trump’s feelings about people in the military line up with his emphasis on money and

always looking exclusively for his own personal benefit.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/8/1975808/-Before-Trump-called-troops-losers-there-was-the-Vietnam-of-dating-and-threats-to-disown-Don-Jr?detail=emaildkre

But John Bolton is telling the truth, Bannon's "flooding the zone with shit"

[Spurtacular]

you’re such a fucking loser. Do you even realize how little the people that give you your opinions think of you.

You’re nothing more than frightened little boy, with no friends, who they prey upon by pretending to hate the same people you fear.

Jesus, you’re an embarrassment to the species. Grow the fuck up you little bitch

Low-grade NPC telling me off. I don't know how I'll recover.

[Reck]

Womp womp


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Why are you happy about a 50/50 quote at best.

He claims he didn't say it while he was in the room but could have said it anytime when he wasn't in.

:lol Womp womp retard

[Reck]

:lol Bolton flat out says in the video “I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things”

Notice how he also says yeah the MCcain portion is true and then at the end says how Trump has shit on and disprage everybody that's not named Trump.

:lol Karrin

[Will Hunting]

Notice how he also says yeah the MCcain portion is true and then at the end says how Trump has shit on and disprage everybody that's not named Trump.

:lol Karrin
:lol the best was at the end when the Fox News bimbo tried to shut him up but wasn't able to before Bolton said that Trump's comments about Pentagon leadership were incoherent.

[Bogie]

Low-grade NPC telling me off. I don't know how I'll recover.

i don’t know, maybe quit trying to out loser chris, and participate in the world

being a cowardly incel may be normal to you, but regular people think you’re really stupid

[Spurminator]

According to John Bolton, the following things are true:

- Trump asked China for help with his reelection campaign
- Trump encouraged China to build detainment camps for ethnic minorities
- Trump offered help to Erdogan in a US investigation into a Turkish company over potential violations of Iranian sanctions.
- The Democrats missed several impeachable violations by the President because they were too focused on Ukraine.
- Trump thought Finland was part of Russia
- Trump didn't know the UK has nukes
- Putin plays Trump "like a fiddle"
- Trump defended Saudi Arabia's assassination of Jamal Khashoggi as a way to distract from news about Ivanka using her personal email for government business.

Response from MAGAtards:
"John Bolton is full of shit."

But now he basically says he can't confirm the allegations from the Atlantic's source and suddenly he's a MAGAtard hero again. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Trump visibly distressed over Atlantic story fallout from claims he disparaged the military

Trump vigorously denied that he made the comments and touted what he's done for the military.

Two people who spoke with him said it was clearly a sign of how much the story had resonated with Trump --

and his fear that it could hurt his support with the military.

By the weekend, however, Trump appeared more deflated than outraged at the allegations lobbed against him, based on conversations he had.

Trump accused top Pentagon military leaders (http://www.cnn.com/2020/09/07/politics/trump-attack-military-leadership/index.html) of being beholden to defense contractors, :lol of course they are!

an astonishing comment from the President as he's trying to bolster support with those people.

Trump had been privately upset that more of the top brass at the Pentagon had not defended him :lol

in the wake of The Atlantic's story (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/) and some saw this as a response to that.

not clear how Trump's disparagement of the "military industrial complex" fits within his efforts to broker arms sales overseas --

a central element of his foreign policy -- including to countries like Saudi Arabia.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/trump-military-fallout/index.html

[pgardn]

But, but....

He supports the military. Financially? Actually NO.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

Biden will not.... sure thing.

[DMX7]

Trump visibly distressed over Atlantic story fallout from claims he disparaged the military

Trump vigorously denied that he made the comments and touted what he's done for the military.

Two people who spoke with him said it was clearly a sign of how much the story had resonated with Trump --

and his fear that it could hurt his support with the military.

By the weekend, however, Trump appeared more deflated than outraged at the allegations lobbed against him, based on conversations he had.

Trump accused top Pentagon military leaders (http://www.cnn.com/2020/09/07/politics/trump-attack-military-leadership/index.html) of being beholden to defense contractors, :lol of course they are!

an astonishing comment from the President as he's trying to bolster support with those people.

Trump had been privately upset that more of the top brass at the Pentagon had not defended him :lol

in the wake of The Atlantic's story (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/) and some saw this as a response to that.

not clear how Trump's disparagement of the "military industrial complex" fits within his efforts to broker arms sales overseas --

a central element of his foreign policy -- including to countries like Saudi Arabia.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/trump-military-fallout/index.html




Trump tries to have every which way. He’s a man of contradictions but he never losses much support for it.

[RandomGuy]

Womp womp


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According to John Bolton, the following things are true:

- Trump asked China for help with his reelection campaign
- Trump encouraged China to build detainment camps for ethnic minorities
- Trump offered help to Erdogan in a US investigation into a Turkish company over potential violations of Iranian sanctions.
- The Democrats missed several impeachable violations by the President because they were too focused on Ukraine.
- Trump thought Finland was part of Russia
- Trump didn't know the UK has nukes
- Putin plays Trump "like a fiddle"
- Trump defended Saudi Arabia's assassination of Jamal Khashoggi as a way to distract from news about Ivanka using her personal email for government business.

Response from MAGAtards:
"John Bolton is full of shit."

But now he basically says he can't confirm the allegations from the Atlantic's source and suddenly he's a MAGAtard hero again. :lmao

smh

You fucking moron cultists can't tell reality from unreality.

[DMC]

:lol Bolton flat out says in the video “I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things”

How can you prove a negative? Burden of proof is always on the affirmative claim.

[DMC]

Oh sorry, I forgot to add this .. :lol

[Will Hunting]

How can you prove a negative? Burden of proof is always on the affirmative claim.
Agreed, goes with what I’ve said all along that I don’t see these claims having much of an impact if it’s just unnamed sources. IMO Trump make this story worse by continuing to talk about it.

[RandomGuy]

i don’t know, maybe quit trying to out loser chris, and participate in the world

being a cowardly incel may be normal to you, but regular people think you’re really stupid

He scores really high with the internet youtube whacko demographic.

[Th'Pusher]

How can you prove a negative? Burden of proof is always on the affirmative claim.

And the case was laid out in the Atlantic article. Now, it’s on you to weigh all off the competing information and make a determination as to whether or not you think Donald said the article claimed.

Let me guess, you don’t think trump called dead soldiers losers and suckers.

I personally don’t know whether he said those things. I definitely wouldn’t put it past him, but it sounds like the reason he didn’t visit the cemetery was weather related.

[RandomGuy]

How can you prove a negative? Burden of proof is always on the affirmative claim.

Quote was confirmed by multiple sources, and is fully consistent with other publicly expressed views, i.e. "I like people that dont' get captured" and his public snits with the elder Bush, for having been shot down.

Seems more than enough evidence to tentative acceptance.

:lol faith-based worship of Dear Leader.

[RandomGuy]

And the case was laid out in the Atlantic article. Now, it’s on you to weigh all off the competing information and make a determination as to whether or not you think Donald said the article claimed.

Let me guess, you don’t think trump called dead soldiers losers and suckers.

I personally don’t know whether he said those things. I definitely wouldn’t put it past him, but it sounds like the reason he didn’t visit the cemetery was weather related.

He likes the troops only as far as he thinks it gets him votes.

I don't know either. I can assess it as more likely than not. Given his draft dodging and general pre-politics views expressed, I would bump that "more likely than not" into "probable", especially the way he has handled the fallout.

[DMC]

And the case was laid out in the Atlantic article. Now, it’s on you to weigh all off the competing information and make a determination as to whether or not you think Donald said the article claimed.

Let me guess, you don’t think trump called dead soldiers losers and suckers.

I personally don’t know whether he said those things. I definitely wouldn’t put it past him, but it sounds like the reason he didn’t visit the cemetery was weather related.

Doesn't matter what I think. My opinion of the veracity of claims made by people I never met vs lack of corroborating evidence means burden of proof still exists.

Why do people like you need to gauge the veracity of unproven claims and use confirmation bias as if it's a calibrated standard? Then you challenge others to do so as well, to help fill that void of rationality in your thought process. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe about what he said. All that matters is the evidence. You had your mind made up about him before this and nothing about this event changed or could change that.

[Bogie]

Doesn't matter what I think. My opinion of the veracity of claims made by people I never met vs lack of corroborating evidence means burden of proof still exists.


i get that you at least have enough self awareness to know what defending trump makes you, in terms of quality of person so you try to hide it ( at least you think you do).

but trying so hard to semantic your way out of having to take personal responsibility for being nothing more than a higher functioning chris, really damages your projected persona, and potentially shows the limits of your self awareness.

but I’m pretty sure you know you’re just a piece of shit trumper. Why the pretense? You’re not an intellectual presence in the world.

but I guess if that’s what you need to project to overcome your raging insecurities and self loathing, you do you

[DMC]

i get that you at least have enough self awareness to know what defending trump makes you, in terms of quality of person so you try to hide it ( at least you think you do).

but trying so hard to semantic your way out of having to take personal responsibility for being nothing more than a higher functioning chris, really damages your projected persona, and potentially shows the limits of your self awareness.

but I’m pretty sure you know you’re just a piece of shit trumper. Why the pretense? You’re not an intellectual presence in the world.

but I guess if that’s what you need to project to overcome your raging insecurities and self loathing, you do you

No one gives a shit what you think.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Evidence doesn't matter. Never has with Trump. That's why his supporters here support him.

[Bogie]

No one gives a shit what you think.

obviously, I mean you responded within seconds to tell me how little you care about my opinion.

but, seriously, why lie about who and what you are?

[DMC]

No one gives a shit what you think.


obviously, I mean you responded within seconds to tell me how little you care about my opinion.

but, seriously, why lie about who and what you are?

:lol Bonnerific

[RandomGuy]

Doesn't matter what I think. My opinion of the veracity of claims made by people I never met vs lack of corroborating evidence means burden of proof still exists.

Why do people like you need to gauge the veracity of unproven claims and use confirmation bias as if it's a calibrated standard? Then you challenge others to do so as well, to help fill that void of rationality in your thought process. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe about what he said. All that matters is the evidence. You had your mind made up about him before this and nothing about this event changed or could change that.

Multiple journalists, including one at Fox News, have confirmed the quote with multiple sources.

Do you have specific reason to doubt these journalists? What is your evidence about their credibility? Be specific.

[RandomGuy]

All of Donald Trump’s Lies
The New York Times has printed every lie Donald Trump has told since taking office. The effort deserves the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service.

BY BILL MOYERS | JUNE 26, 2017
https://billmoyers.com/story/donald-trumps-lies/

From 3 years ago. It was obvious from the get-go that Donald Trump lies about everything, all the time.

He lies so much that even friendly networks have to cut away from him.

He lies so much that he requires real-time fact checking for just about any speech.

So, if you want to evaluate sources, you can generally assign a very low amount of credibility to anything he says, especially when what he is saying is contradicted by just about anyone else.

Step one of critical thinking. Evaluate sources of claims to determine credibility.

Trump has none.

[Th'Pusher]

Doesn't matter what I think. My opinion of the veracity of claims made by people I never met vs lack of corroborating evidence means burden of proof still exists.

Why do people like you need to gauge the veracity of unproven claims and use confirmation bias as if it's a calibrated standard? Then you challenge others to do so as well, to help fill that void of rationality in your thought process. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe about what he said. All that matters is the evidence. You had your mind made up about him before this and nothing about this event changed or could change that.

:lol burden of proof. You mean in the court of public opinion? I already conceded I do not know whether or not he said it and I don’t particularly care tbh.

Do you have an opinion of Donald and did only verified facts inform that opinion?

[Bogie]

Multiple journalists, including one at Fox News, have confirmed the quote with multiple sources.

Do you have specific reason to doubt these journalists? What is your evidence about their credibility? Be specific.

facts? Trumpers don’t need facts. the entirety of foundational core of this incarnation of party of trump
republican is to own the libs.

they will vote to intentionally damage their own circumstance, and to irrevocably damage their children, because they’re so weak and worthless, a critical thinking intelligent person who wants to improve everyone’s life, even black and brown and gay people, is worse

again, morons like chris and spurtacular and the rest, would eat a plate of shit to make you and I have to smell it.

[Bogie]

:lol burden of proof. You mean in the court of public opinion? I already conceded I do not know whether or not he said it and I don’t particularly care tbh.

Do you have an opinion of Donald and did only verified facts inform that opinion?

i admire your effort. But you seem to forget you’re talking to someone that can actually be shown video with Trump saying something, or screen shot a tweet he put out in his own words, and he won’t believe it. Or, he will deflect or ignore it with some false equivalence.

these are intellectually and morally bankrupt people who hate themselves for being afraid. Trump punishes the people they hate themselves for fearing.

i just don’t understand why they create some fake online persona to try to pretend they aren’t what they are

[TSA]

Multiple journalists, including one at Fox News, have confirmed the quote with multiple sources. :lol confirmed

So we have anonymous sources making claims on one side, and Trump and former aides (including Bolton, now a harsh Trump critic) insisting that the story is inaccurate. Beyond deciding whether or not to believe Goldberg’s story based on what best advances one’s political interests, how can one resolve the factual dispute? If other media outlets could confirm the original claims from Goldberg, that would obviously be a significant advancement of the story.

Other media outlets — including Associated Press and Fox News — now claim that they did exactly that: “confirmed” the Atlantic story. But if one looks at what they actually did, at what this “confirmation” consists of, it is the opposite of what that word would mean, or should mean, in any minimally responsible sense. AP, for instance, merely claims that “a senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press,” while Fox merely said “a former senior Trump administration official who was in France traveling with the president in November 2018 did confirm other details surrounding that trip.”

In other words, all that likely happened is that the same sources who claimed to Jeffrey Goldberg, with no evidence, that Trump said this went to other outlets and repeated the same claims — the same tactic that enabled MSNBC and CBS to claim they had “confirmed” the fundamentally false CNN story about Trump Jr. receiving advanced access to the WikiLeaks archive. Or perhaps it was different sources aligned with those original sources and sharing their agenda who repeated these claims. Given that none of the sources making these claims have the courage to identify themselves, due to their fear of mean tweets, it is impossible to know.

But whatever happened, neither AP nor Fox obtained anything resembling “confirmation.” They just heard the same assertions that Goldberg heard, likely from the same circles if not the same people, and are now abusing the term “confirmation” to mean “unproven assertions” or “unverifiable claims” (indeed, Fox now says that “two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic’s reporting”).

It should go without saying that none of this means that Trump did not utter these remarks or ones similar to them. He has made public statements in the past that are at least in the same universe as the ones reported by the Atlantic, and it is quite believable that he would have said something like this (though the absolute last person who should be trusted with anything, particularly interpreting claims from anonymous sources, is Jeffrey Goldberg, who has risen to one of the most important perches in journalism despite — or, more accurately because of — one of the most disgraceful and damaging records of spreading disinformation in service of the Pentagon and intelligence community’s agenda).

But journalism is not supposed to be grounded in whether something is “believable” or “seems like it could be true.” Its core purpose, the only thing that really makes it matter or have worth, is reporting what is true, or at least what evidence reveals. And that function is completely subverted when news outlets claim that they “confirmed” a previous report when they did nothing more than just talked to the same people who anonymously whispered the same things to them as were whispered to the original outlet.

Quite aside from this specific story about whether Trump loves The Troops, conflating the crucial journalistic concept of “confirmation” with “hearing the same idle gossip” or “unproven assertions” is a huge disservice. It is an instrument of propaganda, not reporting. And its use has repeatedly deceived rather than informed the public. Anyone who doubts that should review how it is that MSNBC and CBS both claimed to have “confirmed” a CNN report which turned out to be ludicrously and laughably false. Clearly, the term “confirmation” has lost its meaning in journalism.

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/05/journalisms-new-propaganda-tool-using-confirmed-to-mean-its-opposite/



Do you have specific reason to doubt these journalists? What is your evidence about their credibility? Be specific.

https://twitter.com/Surabees/status/1302662720819470340

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trump definitely said all of this and there's nothing his supporters here can do about it.

[Th'Pusher]

i admire your effort. But you seem to forget you’re talking to someone that can actually be shown video with Trump saying something, or screen shot a tweet he put out in his own words, and he won’t believe it. Or, he will deflect or ignore it with some false equivalence.

these are intellectually and morally bankrupt people who hate themselves for being afraid. Trump punishes the people they hate themselves for fearing.

i just don’t understand why they create some fake online persona to try to pretend they aren’t what they are

He’s a fucking clown. We all experience confirmation bias. The goal is to acknowledge that reality and try to accommodate for it when forming an opinion.

His burden of proof shtick is total bullshit. This isn’t a court of law. There is nothing wrong with weighing incomplete information to form an opinion and even reforming that opinion as more information becomes available.

[DMC]

Multiple journalists, including one at Fox News, have confirmed the quote with multiple sources.

Do you have specific reason to doubt these journalists? What is your evidence about their credibility? Be specific.

I have reason to doubt anyone in the news. The reasoning behind that is plentiful and I'm sure you are well aware of it.

[DMC]

He’s a fucking clown. We all experience confirmation bias. The goal is to acknowledge that reality and try to accommodate for it when forming an opinion.

His burden of proof shtick is total bullshit. This isn’t a court of law. There is nothing wrong with weighing incomplete information to form an opinion and even reforming that opinion as more information becomes available.

Slight against the right? You believe it of course. Same against the left? You doubt it and need more proof. The same would be true for the right versus the left.

There's nothing interesting about your takes. You are very predictable, you will align with the left and assume everything the right does is evil. You are basically Chris wearing a different colored shirt.

[DMC]

:lol confirmed

So we have anonymous sources making claims on one side, and Trump and former aides (including Bolton, now a harsh Trump critic) insisting that the story is inaccurate. Beyond deciding whether or not to believe Goldberg’s story based on what best advances one’s political interests, how can one resolve the factual dispute? If other media outlets could confirm the original claims from Goldberg, that would obviously be a significant advancement of the story.

Other media outlets — including Associated Press and Fox News — now claim that they did exactly that: “confirmed” the Atlantic story. But if one looks at what they actually did, at what this “confirmation” consists of, it is the opposite of what that word would mean, or should mean, in any minimally responsible sense. AP, for instance, merely claims that “a senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press,” while Fox merely said “a former senior Trump administration official who was in France traveling with the president in November 2018 did confirm other details surrounding that trip.”

In other words, all that likely happened is that the same sources who claimed to Jeffrey Goldberg, with no evidence, that Trump said this went to other outlets and repeated the same claims — the same tactic that enabled MSNBC and CBS to claim they had “confirmed” the fundamentally false CNN story about Trump Jr. receiving advanced access to the WikiLeaks archive. Or perhaps it was different sources aligned with those original sources and sharing their agenda who repeated these claims. Given that none of the sources making these claims have the courage to identify themselves, due to their fear of mean tweets, it is impossible to know.

But whatever happened, neither AP nor Fox obtained anything resembling “confirmation.” They just heard the same assertions that Goldberg heard, likely from the same circles if not the same people, and are now abusing the term “confirmation” to mean “unproven assertions” or “unverifiable claims” (indeed, Fox now says that “two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic’s reporting”).

It should go without saying that none of this means that Trump did not utter these remarks or ones similar to them. He has made public statements in the past that are at least in the same universe as the ones reported by the Atlantic, and it is quite believable that he would have said something like this (though the absolute last person who should be trusted with anything, particularly interpreting claims from anonymous sources, is Jeffrey Goldberg, who has risen to one of the most important perches in journalism despite — or, more accurately because of — one of the most disgraceful and damaging records of spreading disinformation in service of the Pentagon and intelligence community’s agenda).

But journalism is not supposed to be grounded in whether something is “believable” or “seems like it could be true.” Its core purpose, the only thing that really makes it matter or have worth, is reporting what is true, or at least what evidence reveals. And that function is completely subverted when news outlets claim that they “confirmed” a previous report when they did nothing more than just talked to the same people who anonymously whispered the same things to them as were whispered to the original outlet.

Quite aside from this specific story about whether Trump loves The Troops, conflating the crucial journalistic concept of “confirmation” with “hearing the same idle gossip” or “unproven assertions” is a huge disservice. It is an instrument of propaganda, not reporting. And its use has repeatedly deceived rather than informed the public. Anyone who doubts that should review how it is that MSNBC and CBS both claimed to have “confirmed” a CNN report which turned out to be ludicrously and laughably false. Clearly, the term “confirmation” has lost its meaning in journalism.

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/05/journalisms-new-propaganda-tool-using-confirmed-to-mean-its-opposite/




https://twitter.com/Surabees/status/1302662720819470340

Hey you are splitting hairs about confirmation. All that matters is that some people said some stuff and if you already believe what they said to be true before them saying it you should have no problem with it. What are you a Trump supporter?

[Th'Pusher]

Slight against the right? You believe it of course. Same against the left? You doubt it and need more proof. The same would be true for the right versus the left.

There's nothing interesting about your takes. You are very predictable, you will align with the left and assume everything the right does is evil. You are basically Chris wearing a different colored shirt.

You can’t read or you’re being intentionally deceptive.

You’re a clown

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol this isn't even the number one story anymore :lol we are so fucked.

[Will Hunting]

:lol this isn't even the number one story anymore :lol we are so fucked.
Fortunately the constant bukkake of new shit coming out on a daily basis Trump doesn't have the power to change the subject the way he did 4 years ago.

[diego]

Honestly I don't know or care if trump said that shit, fuck the military

However, :lmao at trump hiding behind bad weather for not going to that ceremony, bad weather didn't keep anyone else from going.. trumpeters love the tough talk despite the zero substance behind it, that weather excuse makes my 12 year olds excuses pulitzer worthy

[Reck]

:lol this isn't even the number one story anymore :lol we are so fucked.

This one is worse.

In one he's disparaging dead US soldiers which is par for the course for captain bone Spurs but this one, he willingly lied and allowed the country to get flooded with a deadly virus that has killed 200k people and counting.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol this isn't even the number one story anymore :lol we are so fucked.

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[Splits]

Hey you are splitting hairs about confirmation. All that matters is that some people said some stuff and if you already believe what they said to be true before them saying it you should have no problem with it. What are you a Trump supporter?


The loathing was mutual. “Not to mention my fucking generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals,” Trump told White House trade adviser Peter Navarro at one point, according to Woodward.

[DMC]

^ I bet that changed your vote

[RandomGuy]

:lol Bonnerific

Trump Has Mocked the U.S. Military His Whole Life
Egged on by his father, the U.S. president began expressing contempt for Americans who fight in wars as far back as high school, his classmates say.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/08/trump-mocked-us-military-troops-losers-whole-life/

“No, those remarks absolutely didn’t surprise me. In my dealings with him he was a heartless, obnoxious son of a bitch,” White told me in an interview over the weekend.

According to White and other former classmates at the academy, Trump’s five years there, coupled with the disregard for U.S. military traditions he learned at his father’s knee, helps explain a great deal of the president’s reported contempt for those who fought, died, or were wounded in America’s wars, as well as his skeptical view of the need for the United States to fight in places like Vietnam and Iraq.

According to the Atlantic magazine, during a trip to France to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 U.S. Marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers.” Indicating that he didn’t understand why the United States had intervened at all in Europe in 1917, Trump also reportedly asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?”

The Atlantic article, portions of which have been corroborated by the Associated Press, the Washington Post, and Fox News, also reported that when Trump aborted a visit to another World War I cemetery, blaming the weather, he remarked, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In addition, Trump reportedly said that the presence of maimed U.S. veterans would upset spectators at a military parade, commenting, “Nobody wants to see that.”

Trump’s comments appeared to be in line with the attitude he reportedly evinced on Memorial Day 2017, when he visited the grave of 1st Lt. Robert Kelly, the son of his then-homeland security secretary and later chief of staff John Kelly. Standing at the grave of the younger Kelly, who died in Afghanistan in 2010, Trump reportedly turned to the secretary and said: “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”

Trump and the White House have denied reports about his disdain for the sacrifices of the U.S. military. “If people really exist that would have said that, they’re lowlifes and they’re liars,” Trump told reporters on Sept. 3. “And I would be willing to swear on anything that I never said that about our fallen heroes. There is nobody that respects them more.”

In the aftermath of the controversy over his demeaning of U.S. service members, Trump has sought to portray himself as an anti-war candidate who has faced down trigger-happy military service chiefs and will pull out of “endless wars” to keep soldiers safe.

“I’m not saying the military is in love with me—the soldiers are,” Trump said at a news conference Monday. “The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t, because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy. But we’re getting out of the endless wars, you know how we’re doing.”

[RandomGuy]

Multiple journalists, including one at Fox News, have confirmed the quote with multiple sources.
Do you have specific reason to doubt these journalists? What is your evidence about their credibility? Be specific


I have reason to doubt anyone in the news. The reasoning behind that is plentiful and I'm sure you are well aware of it.

Ad hominem fallacy.

So no, you have no specific reason to doubt these multiple journalists.

smh You can go back to shitting yourself in the corner now.

[DarrinS]

Didn't work, I guess. Lol

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[Reck]

Didn't work, I guess. Lol

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Karrin fishing for low tier polls to justify his Trump lovefest.

Why don’t you have a seat.

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't work, I guess. Lol

1303536335987367936Meh, online poll.

[baseline bum]

Didn't work, I guess. Lol

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That Woodward book is going to be great for him too

[Joseph Kony]

Didn't work, I guess. Lol

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:lmao :lmao an internet poll of less than 3k people.

trumptards always crying about fake news yet share some weak shit like this :lmao

[Will Hunting]

Monmouth released an approval poll today that had Trump -13 among registered voters, and Monmouth is a much more respected pollster than HarrisX is.

Why not just use a Rasmussen poll if you’re going to cherrypick :lol

[Reck]

Karrin already running from this thread. Pussy

[Will Hunting]

:lol all the approval polls released today. Only the Rasmussen one has Trump's approval at or above 47%. Karrin is delusional.

https://i.ibb.co/3W99WgJ/Approval.png

[Bogie]

Didn't work, I guess. Lol

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imagine being such a soulless valueless piece of shit, you revel in the CIC disparaging the military because he hates himself for being such a coward incapable of receiving or giving love.

it’s not a surprise you do, since that describes you to a tee as well.

[Will Hunting]

:lol and an A rated pollster just released a poll showing Biden up 9 in Minnesota.

You live in an alternative universe if you think Trump had a good day in terms of polls released.

[DMX7]

Monmouth is pretty much the gold standard.

[FrostKing]

Trump called out weapon industry over Labor Day weekend

:bking

[Bogie]

Trump called out weapon industry over Labor Day weekend

:bking

What is your local news source home in Poland? Since, you know, you live there

[clambake]

Trump called out weapon industry over Labor Day weekend

:bking

You can’t work for Putin and make America strong

Putin would say “you’re fired”

[FrostKing]

You can’t work for Putin and make America strong

Putin would say “you’re fired”
Let's go die in Syria

[Bogie]

Let's go die in Syria

shouldn’t be too far of a trip for you from Poland, right?

[FrostKing]

60% of Trump voters polled supported withdrawing troops from Syria

20% of Hillary voters polled supported the same


Wild how Democrats are becoming the Warhawks

[Ef-man]

Let's go die in Syria

Why go to syria to fight and die when your insightless posts here are not impressing, wounding, or killing anyone.

[Reck]

60% of Trump voters polled supported withdrawing troops from Syria

20% of Hillary voters polled supported the same


Wild how Democrats are becoming the Warhawks

Why waste resources on going to war somewhere else when you can do it at home and inflict damage on your own people? 200k dead and counting, pal.

[Reck]

And before you trumpies say anything else, feast on this quote.

“I do, I actually do, I'm looking at it that way,” Trump told reporters during a press briefing at the White House when asked whether he considered the U.S. to be on a wartime footing. “I look at it, I view it as, in a sense, a wartime president. I mean, that's what we're fighting.“

[clambake]

Frost king rejected by women around the globe

You hate to..........see it

[FrostKing]

:lol

Chicks don't like warmongers kiddo

[clambake]

:lol

Chicks don't like warmongers kiddo

Women don’t like you

All around the globe

[DMC]

Monmouth is pretty much the gold standard.

I heard that about your mouth as well.

[DMC]

And before you trumpies say anything else, feast on this quote.

“I do, I actually do, I'm looking at it that way,” Trump told reporters during a press briefing at the White House when asked whether he considered the U.S. to be on a wartime footing. “I look at it, I view it as, in a sense, a wartime president. I mean, that's what we're fighting.“

Someone whispered in his ear "you know, wartime presidents get re-elected at a much higher clip".

[clambake]

Trump called out weapon industry over Labor Day weekend

:bking

Trump said he has awesome weapons that nobody has seen, and omg they’re awesome.

Could they have come from...oh, I don’t know, the weapons industry?

[Bogie]

I heard that about your mouth as well.

Seriously, how worthless are you? Everything with you is a projection because you know you’re a piece of shit.

this is just one more thing you’re jealous of another person about, and have to lash out.

don’t worry, as you’ve found out, there are plenty of guys that will let you suck their cocks.